‘Captain America’: Too American for Foreign Audiences
by Warner Todd HustonThe venerable Marvel comic book character Captain America has been, well, “Captain America” since 1941. But as of the 2011 release of the new movie “Captain America: The First Avenger,” he won’t be Captain American anymore. At least as far as the film’s title goes for its overseas release, anyway.
Apparently, Hollywood thinks a character called “Captain America” is too gauche for foreigners to handle. And so he’s to go nameless in such places as Russia, Ukraine, and South Korea. Once again, Hollywood shows that it’s ashamed of America, its traditions, and culture.
This film already raised eyebrows for patriots when the director said that his Captain America wouldn’t be that into America. Last July, director Joe Johnston claimed that the Captain America in his film would not be a “jingoistic American flag-waver.” Johnston’s anti-American sentiment foreshadows the dropping of the character’s name from the title for overseas distribution.
I’d dare say that the new costume they designed for the captain of that unmentionable nation was created in an effort to mute the essential American-ness of its traditional comic book design, too. Not that the uniform looks ridiculous by any means. In fact, it edges toward the practical instead of the generally outlandish nature of most comic book costumes (including the original Cappy’s costume).
But the thing is the original Captain America costume is unmistakably a replication of the U.S. flag. The costume in the new movie goes out of its way to mute that effect. Where the original comic book costuming had many stripes dancing vertically across the abs, the new one obviates the effect of the stripes part of the good old stars and stripes. Further, the new costume has various leather straps and gears fastened about it, hiding the stripe effect even more so. On top of that, the red, white, and blue colors are more muted, darker than the original, more brightly colored scheme of the Cappy uniform. The uniform is also replete with pads emulating a 1940s era football uniform effect. These pads also help mute the American-ness of the design giving the eye much more to look at than the more blatantly flag-like costume of the original Captain America.
All of this is likely done on purpose so that foreign audiences can be less “insulted” that a hero would dare wear elements of the American flag upon his person.
Of course, it’s all marketing, we understand. Just as it was marketing when the 2006 re-boot film of “Superman” dispensed with the “American way” part of the line “truth, justice, and the American way.” Just as the 2007 “G.I. Joe” initially intended to excise the fact that G.I. Joe was an American soldier until protests made them back track.
It isn’t just the movies taking artistic license with comic book characters, either. Even the comic books themselves these days are turning out a far more Politically Correct (PC) product. For instance, last year Archie Comics introduced an openly gay character to Riverdale. Also in 2010, the Captain America comic book got into the anti-American action by having an issue where Tea Partiers were presented as a danger to America. Marvel later apologized for the attack on Tea Partiers. Finally, only a month ago, DC Comics introduced a PC hero in the Batman series that is unmistakable for its effort to avoid any real interpretation of world politics by introducing a new character in France that is serving under the tutelage of the American Batman. That new character was termed the “French savior” and is a Muslim immigrant from Algeria. Despite all the riots and troubles that radical Islam is causing France, DC chose to make a Muslim the “French savior.”
Sadly, our comic book heroes have been undergoing a PC-ing for years making them less heroic and more liberal every year. This new Captain America film is just one more effort in that campaign.







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This is the most un-appealing film depiction of a super-hero costume I've ever seen. It looks worn and tarnished. Almost as if the film-makers are deliberately trying to make a political point about America's "tarnished" image in the world.
I quit collecting Comic books 10 years ago because the stories went down the crapper. I can see I haven't missed much.
the dance continues…
Hollywood, desirous of a big tentpole blockbuster that ISN'T a bomb, has much invested in 'Captain America'.
Lots of time, and money. But that will not stop the Progressive Capital of the Known Universe from decrying all things American whilst embracing a flag waving hero.
Can you spell 'schizophrenia'?
Now will it be a better film than the Superman stinker? Hopefully, Joe Johnston has better 'big project' creds than
Bryan Singer. But how do you 'de Americanize' a comic book icon who helped defeat Hitler and the Nazis wearing US colors?
Answer: You don't…
Answer: You don't…
Careful. Don't give them any ideas to turn Captain America in a Soviet.
Looking at the costume and its color design, they could probably change his name to "Captain Male Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader", but I'm sure Hollywood would get antsy thinking European audiences wouldn't understand that, either.
'Captain Commie'?
Now wouldn't that be nice. If they thought they could make a buck they'd do it. Fortunately, the populations of communist countries NOT Chinese is too small.
Otherwise, you might have a real point there…
Actually this is a first rendition of the costume as it appeared in the very early comics from the 40's. While I agree that I dont tink Joe Johnston knows what he is talking about and the studios are clueless on what foreign countries want , I can't slam the film yet. Most foriegn kids love the concept of American heroes and art and they have a huge following of everything American. Hence why GIJoe flopped, they removed too much of what made the Comic, Cartoon and concept uniquely American.
Hollywood better be careful. They have a lot invested in the evenutal Avengers movie. Their technique of making individual movies to introduce individual characters is an interesting but very risky idea. While I won't say the Avengers movie couldn't survive a flop, I doubt very much that it would be a good thing if the Avenger's leader's own movie wound up being a flop simply because they were worried about it being "too American." They should grow up and realize that superheros are a uniquely American phenomenon and there is no shame in that. If someone made live action movies based off popular animes, I'd be offended if they felt they had to Americanize them to avoid turning American consumers off. Similarly, superheros should be presented in their American glory.
The majority of the film will take place during WW2 (which is the era this costume above is from) . Captain America is a super soldier but a soldier none the less. I think his costume may come more in line with the super hero look when he gets thawed out in modern times.
Americanism, is an ideal. Based on limited Govt, freedom of the People to succeed or fail, on divine Providence, and on exporting our ideals to the rest of the World. Facebook is a Western ideal that is helping youths across the world reshape their lives.
Americanism isn't about destroying or occupying or forcing others to our belief, but empowering them to become freedom loving folks all their own. Like Christianity… anyone who takes this belief system, then owns it for themselves! Americanism, Christianity, always seek, limited, constitutionally shackled powers.
I wish Hollywood would understand that. Because, really, the alternative… is Govts… and Tyrants.
The cosmetic details of this don't really bother me. I don't really care too much about how much of an American Flag the suit is and what not.
What really bothers me is the fact that he is "Captain America" and they want to mute that. Its just asinine. Why not waste this money making a whole new character instead? Oh wait, I forget, these jackasses haven't had a new idea in 20 years.
And whats funny is the movie would probably do much better if it were unashamedly pro American. I think people would eat that sentiment right up. The leftists in Hollywood are irrational to the end I suppose.
Was this character goberment approved? Did Obama OK this crap? To portray AMERICA in a bad light.
I remember back in the 80s there were several Soviet "rasslers," Ivan & Nikita Koloff and Krusher Kruschev. They were despicable and took every chance to spit on America. I went on a 6 month deployment and when I got back, the Russians were somehow "good guys." I stopped watching rasslin over that.
'untruth, injustice, and the Soviet Way'-
We can hear it now…
"Captain Commie?"
LOL LOL LOL
From what I've read, the story goes that Cap DOESN'T WANT to wear the costume and the colors, he only does so as a disguise to sneak into whatever country with the USO. But then he sees how he can lead and inspire people with the colors so he keeps them on.
Read that a while back. I think it was from the director.
Here are some suggestions for names in foreign markets.
In Germany: Captain B-17
In England: Captain Declaration of Independence
In France: Captain Pulled Your Chestnuts Out of the Fire. Twice.
In Russia: Captain Kicked Your Butts in the Cold War
and, finally,
In Japan: Captain A-Bomb
Red Son was brilliant. Especially the ending; summed up by Lex Luthor, "why don't you just put the whole world in a bottle?"
(a reference to a world that is literally stuck in a bottle because of Superman which he has always felt really really guilty about.)
"They should grow up and realize that superheroes are a uniquely American phenomenon …."
This is true. Most of the rest of the world either overtly stomps on individuality in some form dictatorship or leans that way with its socialist agendas. While our country was fighting it way out the oppression of government – sometimes via vigilantism – almost all the rest of the world was puckering up just to make sure their governments allowed them to eat.
We created superheroes, they Big Brother.
What Hollyweird is teaching the folks around the world to do isn't to challenge their own oppressors or even to understand the socio-political ideologies that lead to such oppression, but to vent the rage of the failures of their own lives against the United States of America.
How will they portray the new Islam hero, Captain Mohammad?
What I had read is that he gets a glitzy, completely impractical-for-the-battlefield costume for USO shows (modeled closely on the original comics version by Jack Kirby). He gets fed up being just a showhorse, decides to get out on the battlefield, and creates a more practical battlesuit for himself, which (from the descriptions I read) is the one pictured above. Given that rationale, I think the above design is outstanding, and true to Kirby's original version as well.
As for the movie itself, I keep going back and forth. Ol' Wing-Head is my favorite hero of all time, and I fear that Hollywood is hellbent on tarnishing him. And yet, from the story details leaked so far, I can see that Joe Johnston's interviews MIGHT be camouflage, rhetorical cover to play down the movie's necessary patriotism. Maybe to keep pre-release publicity as positive as possible from the Hollywood press. I hope this is the case, but I fear it is not. Only the movie itself will tell us for sure.
Well it has been mentioned in many an article past about Captain America, but the character has not been about America since the 70's.
In the fairly recent "Civil war" storyline Marvel put together Captain America ends up fighting the US government. Granted it can be argued that the side he chooses is the side of freedom (he is fighting against a law that would mandate heroes register with the government and get special training), but in the end he turned against his country.
In the follow up to the civil war the original Captain America is assassinated (there were multiple people who acted as Captain America since the 40's, according to the story lines), his newest replacement is his old protege "Bucky" who had been a brain washed communist assassin for decades and who is responsible to the cold blooded murder of at least one person who acted as aprevious incarnation of his former identity "Bucky".
Conservatives have been show in a negative with the Captain America story, forever. It was a "disgruntled Right-Winger" who freed an insane copycat version of Captain America and Bucky, only for them to go on bloody rampages against innocent people later. Iron man who is general seen as a "Conservative" hero was the Bad guy (depending on your perspective) during the Civil war. And Cap's oldest Nazi enemy the Red Skull, well I won't even go in to the portrayal of that character in the Comics.
Hell! In fact the bad guys Cap is fighting in ww2 in the up coming movie are not even Nazis! But rather a terrorist extremist group called HYDRA who are looking to create an fascist world government. They have been portrayed as trying to create an ultra right wing Nationalist movement to take over japan. And in other story lines they have taken control of numerous scientific, economic and intelligence agencies of the US government.
So color me not surprised that the trend of distancing Captain America from America continues.
While I admit I am looking forward to seeing the Avenger's movie I am not at all interested in the Captain America movie, Which is a shame because I was hoping the ultimate union of all the movies wold make for a great saga.
No, this version of the costume originated with this movie. Cap's original costume looks much like it does today. The main change has been in the shape of his shield. In his first appearance he had a heater shield but when a rival company complained that it too closely resembled their character The Shield, it was replaced with the current round shield and that happened way back in the 1940s.
In all fairness I think those attempting to translate superheroes onto the big screen have a very difficult task in make the standard superhero costume look good on screen because, let's face it, spandex generally doesn't. That said, I can't say that I'm a fan of this costume and I don't like the direction that they've taken the character in in an attempt to appease those who aren't big fans of America and who probably won't like this movie no matter what they do.
I agree.
Some people need to consider not everything translates well in to other mediums. The garish colors and design of the Uniform works in comic form, but think how it looks in real life. The 40's may have been different stylistically, but I doubt anyone would think even back then the costume would look great if you made it for real.
I can't think of many characters that stand out that were made in the last 20 years. Even some of the newer ones had impact but little staying power, Spawn for example. You can find some good characters in smaller independent comics, but overall imagination is gone.
They changed the costume, they didn't shoot it in America.
Look at the picture. He's so obviously flanked by evil American death troopers so the movie will be how Captain America fights against his country probably…
AND THAT'S STILL TOO AMERICAN?
Hollywood needs an enema…tea!
And the public will send their message.
Anyone remember Daredevil?
"Hence why GIJoe flopped, they removed too much of what made the Comic, Cartoon and concept uniquely American."
Aint that the truth. The GI JOE movie did get one thing right though: The Baroness' ass. They f'ed up everything else though. Poor Chris Latta must be spinning in his rave after what Hollywood has done to his characters.
That's why I am a Spider-Man fan.
I don't have a problem with the movie costume, as I think it's a fair representation of the classic comic outfit mixed with a bit of the Ultimates version and shot through the notion of solider-meets-superhero – which is appropriate for the character. What I do have a problem with is the America sheepishness.
If Hollywood wasn't so gutless and self-loathing regarding its own country, it might find that America and American ideals – which Captain America is supposed to represent – could very well play in foreign countries. Who doesn't like freedom, liberty, little guy wins, etc.? America should represent all of these things to the world at large – it doesn't have to be sold as a "we're great and your country sucks" kind of thing. Everyone should be able to look to America and Captain America as symbols of things we all, as human beings, aspire to.
The thing is, Leftist Hollywood doesn't believe America represents these things, and certainly doesn't believe the rest of the world could ever see us that way. To the Leftist, America represents corruption, abuse, exploitation, gluttony, and so on. So nothing worthy of export. But of course I think they're wrong about how most Americans feel about their country, and also wrong about how many people in the rest of the world really do see the U.S.
Why is selling this under a different title overseas a bad thing? Hollywood does it all the time.
Just so everyone knows, Live Free or Die Hard is Die Hard 4.0 overseas.
Whatever. I don't see this a matter of being "embarassed" by it being Captain America. I see it as a studio trying to maximize profits. And I have absolutely no problem with that.
Cap's pretty much been taking it on the chin since Steve Englehart began writing him in the 70s. That's the point I remember when "America is bad" became an underlying (and not so underlying) theme in the book. Some good writers, including Englehart, Mark Waid, Mark Gruenwald, and Ed Brubaker, have written Cap stories over the years, but all those guys were pretty much Leftist in their views, and the book always reflected this. Marvel should try putting a talented patriot on Captain America at some point in the next 40 years – it might produce some good stories.
Looking forward to the remake of Patton, in which Danny Glover portrays an eleventy-star commander of an multicultural alliance that thwarts a conspiracy by The Evil Advocacy (T.E.A.), a cabal of Republicans, intolerant white people and sinister corporations, to destroy the environment, deport undocumented workers, force women to have babies, then force the babies to pray in school.
Keep an eye out for the third act twist, when Patton realizes he need only demonstrate some humility, unclench his fist and extend a hand of friendship to magically transform his former foes, The Axis of Evil, into the Alliance of Niceness, thereby joining forces and saving the world.
After taking an oath to stop being so mean, the leaders of T.E.A. are humanely euthanized; their followers, rounded up and sent off to reeducation camps.
The End.
Where's my check?
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Captain Laughing My Ass Off. Again.
Wll I just won't go see it simple…Maybe they can make caption Omar the Muslim with a star and crescent on it? Otraitor would want a private screening.
Theoretically, Joe Johnston should be a guy who gets Captain America as he also directed "The Rocketeer" – a 1930s-set superhero picture that wears a bit of American patriotism on its sleeve. But every time the guy opens his mouth, he gives patriotic fans cause to worry. I'm still holding out hope. To date, Johnston is an unspectacular but solid journeyman-type director, so I feel he could produce something that's at least worth seeing with the right script, actors, etc. Chris Evans is a very likable, charismatic actor, so he could be a good anchor for the film.
It's absolutely profit motivated, but motivated on a premise that America doesn't sell around the world. I think that's a false premise, but Hollywood's not willing to risk millions of dollars to find out if its instincts are wrong. I happen to think, when it really comes down to it, American ideals are admired by people in other countries as something to aspire to. The U.S. isn't perfect, but we do still represent these ideals to many. Just for a change of pace, if nothing else, it would be nice to see America portrayed in a positive light – especially when we're talking about a story set during WWII, when we were arguably most admired by the rest of the world.
I'm pretty sure Obama has no say in this.
I am a 3D animator and game developer. I am creating a new American superhero because the liberals at Marvel and DC are simply too damned idiotic to deserve working on anything "American."
Considering your icon and Name I thought you were going to recommend a remake of the great escape, but instead of Nazis in ww2 it was the US and Guantanamo today. and the noble jihadists are show as being innocent and kind being ruthlessly held by evil commandant Bush.
It ends with the ACLU suing for the release of the prisoners who immediately turn around and sue for compensation that they use to buy flowers and puppies for all the words children. And the Evil Bush is dragged away in chains as the world sings.
now that is screaming Oscar nod!
That's okay now I won't be going to see this film. You know I used to not buy bootleg DVDs because I felt if films lost money then Americans would lose jobs, but since these so called American's can't be loyal to their country I am afraid I am not going to be able to loyal to them keeping their jobs.
And lets all make sure we support Frank Miller when his graphic novel about an anti-Jihadist superhero comes out later this year.
Thats okay when they make NO and I mean NO money it will be poetic justice. If Cap bombs, Thor bombs, The Avengers bombs. They have invested a lot in this and if they don't rein in their leftist bent they may regret it.
Okay but they may be doing it for reasons of profit. I support capitalism but capitalism trumps all is not good for our nation. Some values are more important than making money, it could be argued they are changing the name so they can make more money in these countries.
That's right, they can bankrupt the studio over this. They have Thor coming, they have Captain America, and then they have The Avengers film. Lets say people (like me) who are big comic book fans and patriotic ditch seeing Captain America, well Thor isn't something that has caught my interest, guess what, although I loved Iron Man, I am not going to see The Avengers, get enough people like me and its over. And there are a lot of us. Or even worse we decided to buy the 10 dollar bootleg and share it with our friends.
And lets pull all of our troops out of South Korea, if they don't need Captain America to defend them then they don't need our troops to help defend them from the North.
"‘Captain America’: Too American for Foreign Audiences"
WHO CARES?
If this director has written it to appease foreigners, and has disdain for, "flag waving", we should all just not go see it in the movies, wait for it to be a dollar in the "red box".
Let them go broke at the theaters.
Ron Reale
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On his worst day, Joe Johnston is twice the director Mark Steven Johnson is. The problem with "Daredevil" was that although MSJ is clearly a fan, knows the comics, and has good instincts about certain things, his lack of talent as a writer/director prevented the film from being any better than mediocre. Plus, I think Jennifer Garner was horribly miscast, but that's another issue. The Frank Miller source material is obviously great, so it comes down to the main creative guy on that project not being up to the task, in my opinion.
That said, "Daredevil" wasn't a bomb – it actually made quite a bit of money for Fox, who is still hoping to redevelop it as a reboot so they don't have to hand the rights back over to Marvel.
Forgive me.
Actually I liked Dardevil too.
I was thinking about Ben Affleck and the lack of his teacher, "Stick".
How about "Batman and Robin"? Clooney anyone?
I wouldn't go so far as to say I liked "Daredevil". I liked some things about it, and Affleck wasn't the problem for me, really. They did get around to Stick in the "Elektra" spin-off, which, although I still think Jennifer Garner was a poor representation of the character, and the budget was clearly slashed by about half, is actually a better film overall than "Daredevil". I recognize that's not the popular opinion, but there it is.
No problem with Clooney, but "Batman and Robin" is a day-glo train-wreck of a film. An embarassment for everyone involved, and one of the colossal wastes of money (in terms of entertainment value) in movie history. Sadly, it also made a profit for WB internationally.
BEST. COMMENT. EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i keep hoping, DJ.. but Mr. Johnson's resume does NOT have me confident in the 'camoflauge" of the story… to be honest, the costume design doesnt bug me that much.. Lets face it.. its' easier to design a costume with a couple of red suspenders/belts acting as the stripes than designing an entire costume in muti-colors.
that being said, I honestly am terrified of what they're going to do to my other #1 hero (you cannot make me choose between Batman and CA! I can't . I won't! I refuse to take one over the other)… that being said, if they truly screw up CA, there is no way I will be dropping a dime on the Avengers movie, which gives me hope that they dont' want to kill the "BIG" picture before it even gets stared.
Hollywood still makes movies?
I loved Iron Man, but the CA movie decides whether or not i spend my money on the Avengers… if they F— with CA… I'm saying no to the Avengers. If they get CA right, then I will put some money to the studios for the ensemble.
Well, Mr. Johnston, looks like your "watered-down" version of the most patriotic superhero won't be getting my money. When will these people learn to make movies AMERICANS want to spend their hard-earned money to see. Or…is this a continuing trend to make American movies more marketable overseas? In other words, it's a business move and the new reality is that these movies make more money overseas. When George Clooney made the liberal "Good Night and Good Luck" it didn't do all that well domestically. However, it was a much different story in Europe where the left eats that propaganda up. The global economy is a double-edged sword that has effects that are good and bad. But this seems to be something that the Hollywood execs/elites are hush-hush about. One has to wonder…
That's great! Please let us know when we can get introduced to your new American Superhero.
Time for me to stop collecting certain titles. I've been collecting comics for over 20yrs., and its finally time to stop buying certain titles. Goodbye JLA, and disgracefully BATMAN. I love the BATMAN character, always had the best villains. Last few years have not been the same. Bottom line, they are not heroic anymore. I'll still collect GI Joe and Transformers, until they screw them up, as well as the occasional Star Trek title and some Star Wars.
I think people are combining a retitling to make it international friendly with a need to make it unpatriotic. I would call both Live Free or Die Hard or Spider-Man as strong pro-American films despite the fact that neither have any large American influence in the title.
The goal is to keep people in to theaters THEN they can see the movie presenting America as great. Or not, if that actually is the case. I just have doubts that the director of one of the most pro-American movies of the last 25 years, the Rocketeer, is going to play it like that.
I just as ashamed of Hollywood as they are of me…. screw'em.
They had a "What if" Superman landed in Russia. Its actually pretty interesting because Lex Luthor becomes president and 'good' to fight him and all that.
The title "Captain America" shouldn't really cause confusion to anyone in any other country. Clearly, having "America" in the title is considered jingoistic and insensitive by the filmmakers, and they are marketing it a different way in foreign territories in hopes of having viewers there not completely reject the picture (despite any hard evidence that this would, in fact, happen).
We agree that "The Rocketeer" is evidence Johnston could be the right guy for this one. Still hopeful, but he needs to stop talking.
Dude, you're like the YODA of movies!
I am really getting worried about this film.
I’m a die hard Captain America fan from way back, and I am really looking forward to the movie as well as the Avengers movie slated to be made soon.
However taking the patriot out of the Steve Rogers character is not something I can see. His whole reason for existence is his love of country. He was a good person before the Super Soldier serum. He was just able to physically fight after the serum.
This puts a sinking feeling in my stomach as I can foresee another Superman Returns style, “Fighting for truth, justice and all the other stuff” bomb in the making.
I just do not get it.
Hollywood in the 30s (aka the "good old days") already beat them to pro-Uncle Joe/USSR propaganda.
But it could cause an unwillingness for people in foreign countries to give the film a try. Much like you and I going to see "Captain South Korea" might not sound so interesting to us.
FYI, he's already one of the most renamed superhero outside the United States in comic form, with multiple changes of his name in countries worldwide.
So much of this has a lot to do with focus group testing than it does any thing else. Arguments about the quality of those is another topic, but most of it involves asking locals to watch a 3 minute clip and then have them explain what "Captain America" is about.
You'd have a point if they were re-editing the movie, or shooting alternate scenes, or digitally changing his uniform, or even RE-DUBBING lines so that he has a different name.
But the fact is, it's a TITLE CHANGE. They're still calling him "Captain America" in the movie, he's wearing American colors, there's no mistaking who he is. The only "difference" is the text on the poster and at the very beginning of the film will say "The First Avenger" instead of "Captain America."
Yeah, it kinda sucks that a movie WILL make less money in some territories if the word "America" is on it – partially because it's a shame that the folks in question think ill of us and partially because in most cases it's probably not deserved. But it's a marketing decision, and one that happens all the time from country to country.
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Some twit in Slovakia once badmouthed the evil warlike America …
I said fine, we can withdraw our NATO umbrella.
Enjoy getting torn apart by Germany and Russia …. again.
Those are good,
Maybe "Captain KissMyAss" if they can't deal with Captain America.
I don't really care for these drive-by hit pieces on films that haven't come out yet, it's all specularion and innuendo. If you actually go to the movie , devote your 2 hours to it, and then tear t apart, feel free.This however is pointless.
More specifically I think the renaming of a film in 3 out of the 40 or so countries its released in, say nothing about anti-Americansm. Films are renamed all the time for the foreign market and vica versa. Some things just don't translate nto other languages. Ths is probably the case in Ukraaine and South Korea since the US and American culture are popular there. As for Russia? I think Warner is being terribly naive. Does he really expect a studio to spend millons of dollars marketng Captian AMERICA in Moscow? you expect the head of the studio to stand up at year-end shareholders meating and say " well we lost 30 million in Russia this year marketing Captain America, but hey we proved to thoss Red Ba$tards yet again that we won the Cold War, and at the end of the day that makes it worth it amirite?"
I can see it now.
Faster than a Mossad hit team, able to leap tall minarets in a single bound, it's Captain Mohammed!
Who, disguised as Achmed al Pantiesinawad, perpetually outraged propagandist for a Middle Eastern news service, fights a never ending battle for taqiya, sharia and Islamic world domination.
The costume alterations are not a problem for me. In fact, I think the costume alterations make the character more realistic. This Captain America looks like a real soldier who could really bring the hurt. Isn't a shame that the PC crowd will argue that all groups should be proud of their nations, traditions, and heritage…. all groups except Americans. GGGGGRRRRR
Blackest Night was pretty cool, but that's pretty much it.
"The First Avenger" *is* a snappier title than "Captain America: The First Avenger." I only wish the name change were a purely aesthetic choice and not spurred by anti-Americanism, both home and abroad.
That said, I think people perceive Captain America to be a more patriotic character than he actually is. This is the same guy that abandoned his identity as Cap during the Watergate scandal, and took up the name "Nomad." We tend to remember Captain America as the cocksure brawler with a fist raised in defiance under a dogpile of Nazis, when, really, that character was laid to rest a long time ago.
Well, sort of. They have a finite number of idea and they just keep remaking them.
…we should be due for a new Parent Trap soon.
Studios frequently change the names of American films for for foreign audiences. This is nothing new. Would we expect the McDonalds in Paris to sell a quarter pounder? Hell no.
Captain B-17 or Captain A-Bomb? I think that is a bit violent.
In the spirit of reconciliation, I suggest "Captain Sex for Hershey Bars".
Ouch!
Warner, I covered the story on that horrific Tea Party comic book in an in-depth oped last February for Digital Journal (linked below). I was ripped and it shows. I suggested a boycott of the film back then, but cooled off and decided against it over time. Beginning to change my mind, as the reminder has set off a buried landmine. Thing is, if the movie is as embarrassed and disdainful of America as the Tea Party comic book, it should flop of its own accord. One can only hope
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/287326
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Mr. Huston said:
All of this is likely done on purpose so that foreign audiences can be less “insulted” that a hero would dare wear elements of the American flag upon his person.
Of course, it’s all marketing, we understand. Just as it was marketing when the 2006 re-boot film of “Superman” dispensed with the “American way” part of the line “truth, justice, and the American way.” Just as the 2007 “G.I. Joe” initially intended to excise the fact that G.I. Joe was an American soldier until protests made them back track.
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Given how craptastic the last Superman and GI Joe movies were, I submit that playing down the American identity of the heroes was an act of patriotism.
This was the original shield http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/captain-americ... and notice how the costume looks a lot like the verison they chose for the movie.
Geoff Johns has done some great things with the Green Lantern franchise, though I love Peter Tomasi's Guy Gardner even better.
I nominate Chuck Dixon!
It is being released? I heard he couldn't find a publisher.
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
The Apostle Paul in his first letter to the Corinthians, Chapter 13, Verse 11.
The same goes for Hollywood's version of Captain America. The real CA is left in my childhood years. And there he will stay.
It seems to me this presents an opportunity for some enterprising person to BLATANTLY put America and her ideals BACK in the mainstream. If I had talent, I would certainly give it a try. Marvel Comics might need competition for the AMERICAN audience.
RIP Starscream/Cobra Commander
When hollywood started dumbing down our heroes, even the real ones, I quit watching!
I wonder how Captain Great Satan will do at the Iranian box office.
The "Quarter-Pounder with Cheese" conversation in "Pulp Fiction" was about Amsterdam where, it was claimed, the sandwich was called the "Royale with Cheese" because in Amsterdam, it was claimed, they use metric, not avoirdupois. I've been to Amsterdam. I made it a point to go to McDonald's just to check it out. In Amsterdam, they cal it a "Quarter-Pounder with Cheese."
I've also been to Paris, but I didn't go into McD's.
Dude. It takes place during WWII. Unless there was an American Theater in that war that I never learned about, shooting it in America would be pointless.
And he is not flanked by evil American death troopers, those are Hydra soldiers. The Bad Guys. Not American.
In the movie, his enemy is the Red Skull. A German Nazi. (Italian fascist in the unlamented 1990 movie, but let's not go into that one.)
The only potentially anti-American thread in the story that I've heard thus far is that his superiors try to make Steve Rogers into a public relations mouthpiece, squandering his super-soldier potential, and he ends up going against that and joining the battle himself.
Which, if you think that it's un-possible (sic) in WWII for army brass to act bullheaded like that, or use soldiers for PR like that, well, you need to do a lot more reading.
As I say elsewhere, I expect them to eff this up. But on the evidence so far, it's entirely possible that they haven't.
Well, that's largely a reflection of the leadership at the big two. But there are jewels to be found here and there. But you're right in that the old-fashioned virtues of comic storytelling have been sacrificed to the god of "edgy".
Chuck would make the character unabashedly patriotic again. But Marvel (and DC, for that matter) is scared of Chuck. Ain't happening.
Well, if the director is sounding that UNamerican, I wonder how many freedom loving Americans will even go see the movie. I think these guys should just keep their mouths shut sometimes, they shoot themselves in the foot almost every time.
I liked both "DD" and "Elektra"…
DD had a bad lead…Affleck just can't do it; he ALWAYS looks like some guy acting a character, never the character itself….and "Elektra" was a bit too focused on her OCD, which jarred every scene it was in…
Stamp did "Stick" just fine…
There's a couple of re-boots waiting for the right touch…
Keep us posted…if he gets this out, I'll buy it…just as a lever against the Hollywoodcrap…
Last July, director Joe Johnston claimed that the Captain America in his film would not be a “jingoistic American flag-waver.”
this guy Joe Johnston is a total whussy. For one, Captain America obviously is a jingoistic American flag-waver, and this director is passing up a heck of an opportunity to dissect that with a pop culture treatment. Come Hollywood, show some TEETH.
The A-Team and G.I. Joe could have been so much more. Don't blow it again.
See Paul Verhoven's treatment of Heinlein's Starship Troopers for something that toys with the fascist angle.
I'll do what I did when 'SMALLVILLE' went liberal, not watch anymore. To hell with Marvel and DC.
These producers have it totally backwards. No "international" moviegoer is interested in seeing an AMERICAN movie where the villain is American, or ashamed of being American. Everyone across the WORLD wants to cheer America, want to BE American, want to be IN America! To paraphrase Richard Jeni, 20 million illegal immigrants has got to tell you something.
If they wanted to make the film series international, they could have used the "Ultimates" storyline… the team was all American, but they took time to point out that other countries had their own super-soldiers too. That way, foreign countries got to cheer on Captain Britain, Captain Spain, etc.
My favorite line in that series is appropriate for this discussion:
(Captain America, before jumping out of a plane with no parachute):
"Do you think this letter on my forehead stands for FRANCE?!"
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