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		<title>By: Enlargement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enlargement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am amazed with it. It is a good thing for my research. Thanks</description>
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		<title>By: El Gordo</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lurker, I am shocked at the irrationality of your argument. You write &lt;i&gt; the problem lies in that the production increase from offshore/Alaska drilling is that we would not see it for decades, and that the extra production would not remove our dependence on foreign oil...&lt;/i&gt;

First of all, we could see an increase in production within 4 years, not &quot;decades&quot;. Second, no one ever said it would end our dependence. But two million barrels per day are two million barrels per day. 

I guess you would not bend down to pick up twenty dollars because, hey, it´s not a hundred.

Second, we will NEVER become energy independent and if you listen closely, no politician using the phrase literally means it. The cost would be so high, it´s not even a rational goal. But surely we can pick the low hanging fruit. As for oil, it´s not just used by cars. There is no fossil-fuel free car either. Even if you overcome all the problems associated with using a different way of storing energy for cars - and they are still legion - you still don´t have a fossil-fuel free car. No matter how you store the energy, it has to some somewhere, like coal or natural gas (which is a fossil fuel even if Nancy Pelosi famously didn´t know this). After all, the anti-drilling forces do not like the one efficient non-fossil energy source either, namely nuclear energy. They are more appropriately described as anti-energy. 

The United States and most developed countries will be net oil importers for as long as you live. I guarantee it. The rest is propaganda to get gullible fools to support big politics (I blame both McCain and Obama for being untruthful here). Oh, and please can the hippy crap: The bailout is not needed by capitalism, it is demanded by people who don´t want to pay the price for their wrong decisions. Letting companies fail, that would be capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurker, I am shocked at the irrationality of your argument. You write <i> the problem lies in that the production increase from offshore/Alaska drilling is that we would not see it for decades, and that the extra production would not remove our dependence on foreign oil&#8230;</i></p>
<p>First of all, we could see an increase in production within 4 years, not &#8220;decades&#8221;. Second, no one ever said it would end our dependence. But two million barrels per day are two million barrels per day. </p>
<p>I guess you would not bend down to pick up twenty dollars because, hey, it´s not a hundred.</p>
<p>Second, we will NEVER become energy independent and if you listen closely, no politician using the phrase literally means it. The cost would be so high, it´s not even a rational goal. But surely we can pick the low hanging fruit. As for oil, it´s not just used by cars. There is no fossil-fuel free car either. Even if you overcome all the problems associated with using a different way of storing energy for cars &#8211; and they are still legion &#8211; you still don´t have a fossil-fuel free car. No matter how you store the energy, it has to some somewhere, like coal or natural gas (which is a fossil fuel even if Nancy Pelosi famously didn´t know this). After all, the anti-drilling forces do not like the one efficient non-fossil energy source either, namely nuclear energy. They are more appropriately described as anti-energy. </p>
<p>The United States and most developed countries will be net oil importers for as long as you live. I guarantee it. The rest is propaganda to get gullible fools to support big politics (I blame both McCain and Obama for being untruthful here). Oh, and please can the hippy crap: The bailout is not needed by capitalism, it is demanded by people who don´t want to pay the price for their wrong decisions. Letting companies fail, that would be capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Walshingham Oh yeah I have lots of stuff, although being raised on a sailboat in the Caribbean, I was raised to understand that a oneness with the earth is viable and healthy way to live. With the destruction of the local farmer all across this great land of ours by the factory farms at the cost of profits it&#039;s the people who suffer. Which in turn creates more need to transport goods instead of producing local to sustain locally. I do see the point being made in my argument for oil drilling locally, but that will not cut our dependence. 
And no I don&#039;t want to give up my big screen and comfy couch and other stuff. 
*Inserting smart alex remark* I&#039;ve been trying for years to turn high grade natural gas into a viable energy source, although I just seem to clear the room.

@ John D: I don&#039;t think your trying to be a smart@ss, I understand your point. I have only been driving since the mid-eighties, but I can always recall that the price of gas at the pump has been a topic every year so this cycle is nothing new. Our reduced consumption is what scared OPEC and forced them to cut production to slow the fall to buoy it back to the $50 per barrel range. And they do see their cash cow running dry and they are trying to squeeze as much profit while they can which is fine. OPEC is better at putting profits back into their system than say Venezuela is and that will cost Venezuela when their production facilities are in need of repair and upgrade.
One problem with capitalism is when the profits are put before people, example; the pharmaceutical industry is only mostly interested in treating symptoms not finding cures. (Yes I do realize the meds have helped my cancer survivor father). 
The other thing I see now is that we would have to refer to the lobbyists as the secret hand of the market, as without the bailout (how is that not welfare?) capitalism is failing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Walshingham Oh yeah I have lots of stuff, although being raised on a sailboat in the Caribbean, I was raised to understand that a oneness with the earth is viable and healthy way to live. With the destruction of the local farmer all across this great land of ours by the factory farms at the cost of profits it&#8217;s the people who suffer. Which in turn creates more need to transport goods instead of producing local to sustain locally. I do see the point being made in my argument for oil drilling locally, but that will not cut our dependence.<br />
And no I don&#8217;t want to give up my big screen and comfy couch and other stuff.<br />
*Inserting smart alex remark* I&#8217;ve been trying for years to turn high grade natural gas into a viable energy source, although I just seem to clear the room.</p>
<p>@ John D: I don&#8217;t think your trying to be a smart@ss, I understand your point. I have only been driving since the mid-eighties, but I can always recall that the price of gas at the pump has been a topic every year so this cycle is nothing new. Our reduced consumption is what scared OPEC and forced them to cut production to slow the fall to buoy it back to the $50 per barrel range. And they do see their cash cow running dry and they are trying to squeeze as much profit while they can which is fine. OPEC is better at putting profits back into their system than say Venezuela is and that will cost Venezuela when their production facilities are in need of repair and upgrade.<br />
One problem with capitalism is when the profits are put before people, example; the pharmaceutical industry is only mostly interested in treating symptoms not finding cures. (Yes I do realize the meds have helped my cancer survivor father).<br />
The other thing I see now is that we would have to refer to the lobbyists as the secret hand of the market, as without the bailout (how is that not welfare?) capitalism is failing.</p>
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		<title>By: Iblis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a big problem is that none of the other prices that went up allegedly because of fuel costs have come down. Remember when ice cream came in half-gallon cartons, and now its around 1.5 qts for the same money? 
It just seems like the fuel crisis was a con-job (yes there were real geo-poli-econi reasons) and retailers, manufacturers etc. decided to take advantage and stuck us with it. Cable TV (i can&#039;t get satelite due to geography :( ) telephone, fuel oil, food all have gone up. When other prices start to come down, then maybe you&#039;ll see people perk up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a big problem is that none of the other prices that went up allegedly because of fuel costs have come down. Remember when ice cream came in half-gallon cartons, and now its around 1.5 qts for the same money?<br />
It just seems like the fuel crisis was a con-job (yes there were real geo-poli-econi reasons) and retailers, manufacturers etc. decided to take advantage and stuck us with it. Cable TV (i can&#8217;t get satelite due to geography <img src='http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  ) telephone, fuel oil, food all have gone up. When other prices start to come down, then maybe you&#8217;ll see people perk up.</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lurker - I&#039;m not trying to be a smart @ss, okay?  But isn&#039;t the point of being in business to turn a profit?  It&#039;s what big oil wants to do; I&#039;ll grant you that. But it&#039;s also what companies who make green products and enviro-friendly cars want to do, too.  That&#039;s capitalism.  That&#039;s the society in which we live.  I don&#039;t spend like money is burning a hole in my pocket nor do I hoard every last nickel I have.  I&#039;m a consumer.  I buy stuff (gas, groceries, clothes and also frivolous stuff).  So, I&#039;m not going to stop being a consumer, and unless something changes, I&#039;m going to continue being a capitalist, despite the view by some people that there&#039;s something inherently wrong with being a capitalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurker &#8211; I&#8217;m not trying to be a smart @ss, okay?  But isn&#8217;t the point of being in business to turn a profit?  It&#8217;s what big oil wants to do; I&#8217;ll grant you that. But it&#8217;s also what companies who make green products and enviro-friendly cars want to do, too.  That&#8217;s capitalism.  That&#8217;s the society in which we live.  I don&#8217;t spend like money is burning a hole in my pocket nor do I hoard every last nickel I have.  I&#8217;m a consumer.  I buy stuff (gas, groceries, clothes and also frivolous stuff).  So, I&#8217;m not going to stop being a consumer, and unless something changes, I&#8217;m going to continue being a capitalist, despite the view by some people that there&#8217;s something inherently wrong with being a capitalist.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read/watch this (from 60 minutes):
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/08/60minutes/main4707770.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read/watch this (from 60 minutes):<br />
<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/08/60minutes/main4707770.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/08/60minutes/main4707770.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Walsingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walsingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lurker: Look around your house and then tell me what you see there....appliances, foodstuffs, clothing, anything at all, it doesn&#039;t matter...and then make a list of what you see there that was produced and delivered to you without a profit motive somewhere.

And can I ask what your formal training is regarding the exploration for and production of fossils fuels?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurker: Look around your house and then tell me what you see there&#8230;.appliances, foodstuffs, clothing, anything at all, it doesn&#8217;t matter&#8230;and then make a list of what you see there that was produced and delivered to you without a profit motive somewhere.</p>
<p>And can I ask what your formal training is regarding the exploration for and production of fossils fuels?</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few things:
I am in the a few miles away from the location mentioned, and had seen the drop and the spike.
@ El Gordo, the problem lies in that the production increase from offshore/Alaska drilling is that we would not see it for decades, and that the extra production would not remove our dependence on foreign oil, sure it would offset it but then we are only giving less to the countries that support terrorist activities.
The smart money is removing our dependence on fossil fuels altogether, Mercedes Benz thinks they can be fossil fuel free with their cars by 2015 -- yes that&#039;s a lofty goal but even if they only get 70% of that by 2017 that is a greater reduction than can be achieved by our own drilling.
@ John D: I will give all the credit to King George W. for the drop in gas prices, &quot;go out and spend.&quot; He was at the helm while our ship is sinking.

&quot;There are many excuses for the high price we pay for gas, but only one reason is needed, PROFITS!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few things:<br />
I am in the a few miles away from the location mentioned, and had seen the drop and the spike.<br />
@ El Gordo, the problem lies in that the production increase from offshore/Alaska drilling is that we would not see it for decades, and that the extra production would not remove our dependence on foreign oil, sure it would offset it but then we are only giving less to the countries that support terrorist activities.<br />
The smart money is removing our dependence on fossil fuels altogether, Mercedes Benz thinks they can be fossil fuel free with their cars by 2015 &#8212; yes that&#8217;s a lofty goal but even if they only get 70% of that by 2017 that is a greater reduction than can be achieved by our own drilling.<br />
@ John D: I will give all the credit to King George W. for the drop in gas prices, &#8220;go out and spend.&#8221; He was at the helm while our ship is sinking.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are many excuses for the high price we pay for gas, but only one reason is needed, PROFITS!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hennessy XO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hennessy XO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently I&#039;m the only one who has noticed that gas prices have risen at the pump by twenty cents per gallon over the past week. Just when they have lulled you into a false sense of security in lower gas prices they begin to inch them up again. Remember, Obama is the guy who said he thinks gas prices should be about $4 per gallon. These people do not want us to drive vehicles with internal combustion engines and gradually they will make it unaffordable to do so, one way or another. What happened to all the &quot;We&#039;ll get to the bottom of these high gas prices&quot; hype out of Congress? Same thing that happened last time they said this before an election - NOTHING! Fool me once, shame on you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently I&#8217;m the only one who has noticed that gas prices have risen at the pump by twenty cents per gallon over the past week. Just when they have lulled you into a false sense of security in lower gas prices they begin to inch them up again. Remember, Obama is the guy who said he thinks gas prices should be about $4 per gallon. These people do not want us to drive vehicles with internal combustion engines and gradually they will make it unaffordable to do so, one way or another. What happened to all the &#8220;We&#8217;ll get to the bottom of these high gas prices&#8221; hype out of Congress? Same thing that happened last time they said this before an election &#8211; NOTHING! Fool me once, shame on you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between the mess over in Israel and it being the beginning of the New Year, it&#039;s natural that gas prices are going up.  But come on!  Paying $2.00 or a shade under for a gallon of gas is infinitely better than what we were all dealing with last summer.  As someone pointed out, however, no where is GWB getting any credit for the price of gas going down, yet it was all his fault when it peaked around $4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between the mess over in Israel and it being the beginning of the New Year, it&#8217;s natural that gas prices are going up.  But come on!  Paying $2.00 or a shade under for a gallon of gas is infinitely better than what we were all dealing with last summer.  As someone pointed out, however, no where is GWB getting any credit for the price of gas going down, yet it was all his fault when it peaked around $4.</p>
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