Thanks for the good post Victoria. The tongue in cheek style helped highlight what really might be the result of health care reform. There's also a real danger that Obama will use health care reform to push mandates for abortion, "mainstreaming" it so to speak by requiring insurance (or at least the public option plan) to cover abortions.

Not fun.

Anyone who wants to know more or who wants to help stop it, go here: http://stoptheabortionagenda.com/action

Your article reminds me of that line from the Lord of the Rings novels:

"I think evil would appear fairer, and feel fouler"

Lately I've noticed that there are fewer and fewer ceramic knick knacks, and an increasing number of bobble heads.

Hi, Victoria, didn't know you were a thinking person, glad to see you writing here.

No doubt about it. Up to now, economics and pricing were the means to ration a scarce resource, i.e., medical care. Once the Obamacrats get done, the government will decide who gets health care and how much. Guess who will be taken care of the best? The worse?

Joe Haldeman in "The Forever War" warns about this scenario. Government and corporate "executives" get all the health care they care to get. Most of the people, at the bottom, get none at all.

Don't bother with Nostradamus, read your Orwell!

Welcome to the brave new world – where fantasy reigns supreme and reality is on permanent vacation.

Aggie_Sith: My wife is an Aggie – Ch.E. class of 1977. Is there such a thing as a liberal Aggie? "Oh, yes, it's one that believes in offering the condemned a blindfold."

My new favorite columnist!

One of my favorites:

"Evil is unspectacular and always human and shares our bed and eats at our own table." –W.H. Auden

Someone said in another discussion of health care here recently (I'm paraphrasing):

In a pay-per-service health care system a dead patient is lost revenue. In a socialized medicine system a dead patient is a reduction in expenses.

"your journey to the daaark side is now complete" Specter… ~ Emperor Palpatine

Cute and true. Thanks for the laugh!

that's ok. All of us here will be sure to watch and enjoy anything She is a part of. We look out for each other.

How right you are Victoria. I'm having flashbacks to the old movie Logan's Run. The preamble to the movie states;

In the year 2274…the survivors of war, overpopulation and pollution are living in a great domed city, sealed away from the forgotten world outside. Here, in an ecologically balanced world, mankind lives only for pleasure, freed by the servo-mechanisms which provide everything. There's just one catch: Life must end at thirty unless reborn in the fiery ritual of Carrousel.

Wonder if Obama is a fan of that movie…

How right you are Victoria. I'm having flashbacks to the old movie Logan's Run. The preamble to the movie states;

In the year 2274…the survivors of war, overpopulation and pollution are living in a great domed city, sealed away from the forgotten world outside. Here, in an ecologically balanced world, mankind lives only for pleasure, freed by the servo-mechanisms which provide everything. There's just one catch: Life must end at thirty unless reborn in the fiery ritual of Carrousel.

Wonder if Obama is a fan of that movie…

Thanks for the good post Victoria. The tongue in cheek style helped highlight what really might be the result of health care reform. There's also a real danger that Obama will use health care reform to push mandates for abortion, "mainstreaming" it so to speak by requiring insurance (or at least the public option plan) to cover abortions.

I’ve tried this also. Talk to Joe Blow about the issues that are effecting us and all these idiots are worried about is Michael Jackson or who is sleeping with who.
I had a lady tell me that she thought that the rockets that go into space cause global warming. God help us, we are in big trouble.

Hey Victoria, you are definitely on Barry’s watch list, be afraid, be very afraid. The Tea Parties were great, went to two over the 4th.

"Sounds like the evil governments we studied in high school long ago. The evil governments were : kings, oligarchies, fascist, socialist, and communist. Now it’s called the Obama Administration. Sounds like candy or a rock band."

I only wish this admin was a rock band. And thanks to today's leftist teachers, students now believe the evil government is our own and not those mentioned by Victoria.

Hopefully next Tea Party I'll be able to make it to the Santa Monica pier and get a picture with her.

HA!

I was at a Parent /Teacher meeting one morning, and a woman there was pushing for the school to show "An Inconvenient Truth", mandatorily, mind you. We got into a heated "discussion" about globull wormening. Finally I asked her, "If it isn't the Sun warming the Earth, then why is Mars showing higher temperatures?"

Her response: "Because emissions from our cars and SUVs are floating over there."

She became the village idiot.

If America doesn't wake up, our apathy will be our demise.

Hey somecat, pull yer head outa yer @ss and smell the coffee. Oblaba is a marxist from the gitgo, you and all the other fellow travelers (AKA sheeple) just provide him cover to attempt to destroy us. Do us all a favor and stick to yer guns, and don't buy any. Guns that is.

brilliant.

Better than Buffy, I guess

depends on what the casket is made from.. He could get stuck with Willow

Only in America. The guy outside death row protesting the dealth penalty is pro choice.

Huh? Can I have that one again????

George Soros!

That dude is quite scary indeed.

somecat-

There's a difference between the employment of hyperbole to make a point, and just being "silly".

Victoria's post was hyperbolic. Yours is just silly.

See the difference?

I think Billy Graham said it well :

'Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to seek your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values. We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery . We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare .. We have killed our unborn and called it choice . We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable . We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self esteem. We have abused power and called it politics .. We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition . We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression. We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment . Search us, Oh God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Amen!'

As we pay more attention to the planks in our own eyes I think the best thing we can do for "the world" is pray for those who are deceived, those who will not endure sound doctrine, those who call evil good and good evil.

Right. Why do you assume I don't own any guns? Better yet why bring it up? It seems like I get this vague threat often when I post here. It doesn't scare me and it doesn't seem like much of a debating point either.

I am over here reading posts and comments on this blog. How many of you read the other point of view? I won't claim to have a completely open mind because lets face none of us do but at least I am aware of your views as they are and not as I am told they are.

Victoria, great article…

Things over the past 6 months have gone infinatley wrong…We have had bills RUSHED through because we have to face facts that the economy is in DIRE straits….. and it looks like we may have another STIMULUS PACKAGE!!! The cap and trade was PELOSI's SWAN song…. she made it her destiny with her San Fransico values, it must be so nice to live in her IVORY tower and being able to use the UNITED STATES military as her OWN chaffeur. Not to say that any of the people in Obama's cabinet have paid there taxs, they said no big deal we will just raise everyone else's taxs…. damn democrates….. I just want to through my arms up in the air and walk away….. but, there is one thing that we can do and it is simple.. votes these bums out of office as soon as we can…… or petition everyone across the US and say the CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN IS LOWERING OUR TAXS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excellent points Victoria – you have captured what many of us are thinking as we watch this thinly-veiled power grab. The real question is this: How bad will it have to get before people decide to take action? And will it be too late?

Tom – I take your point. I was reluctant to post a comment because Victoria's post was obviously not dead on serious. As I read it – I felt bad for the shopkeepers though. I recently had a conversation in a bakery with an older lady who told me in great detail about FEMA concentration camps being built in our home state. She totally believed this and I think I stood there with the same look on my face as the shopkeepers. It can be very uncomfortable to watch an otherwise good person go on and on with conspiracy theories.

You are wonderful. I too have had my breakout moment…after my rant I told this yuppie woman, that I had never met, "I am Sarah Palin". Keep up your wonderful writing, and get on the radio and television, we need your sweet heart.

Comparing Obama to Hitler…wow how original. If you want folks to take you seriously, then that sort of talk has to stop. But it works for Rush, so why not you has been.

Now the worms are scared.

Sheesh Bob…bitter much because Obama is showing everyone that Bushitler really wasn't? You stupid hypocrit. No one takes YOU seriously now…youre just a braindead kool-aid drinking leftist.

She is comparing his BEHAVIOR (or future behavior, according to the natural outworking of his policies) to Hitler's BEHAVIOR. Big difference.

Your last sentence makes no sense. But that's okay, the rest of it doesn't either.

You see, evil doesn’t just show up. It disguises itself as something nice; so you’ll let it in. It tricks you.
Absolutely.

"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. — Genesis 3:4
"I will cut taxes for 95% of Americans" — Barack Obama

You can't go wrong with wisdom from Frodo.

Great point! Like the trash out here in Olympia, protesting to bring the troops home while sitting in their way to get home from Iraq. Liberals are walking contradictions. And they smell bad too.

If only. Benedict Arnold may not realize that save for his super-duper health plan, he would have been one of the first!

If only it would apply to these elites. They won't be joining us serfs in the healthcare plan these morons come up with. It would be so nice for these elected officials "walk the walk". The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

Victoria, as another poster already said, "You're my new favorite columnist." Very thoughtful and refreshingly frank.

Familiar with the term "useless eaters"?

one suspects several plans and various contingencies are in place… what you mention is certtainly viable. Vigilance is needed…

it is amazing what the mention of those two words can mean. Soros IS the prototypical Bond villain, though nowhere near as erudite (or cool, for that matter) and his quest at world domination is actually a subtext of 'Quantum of Solace' and Dominick Greene… funny how the truth and fiction can interweave.

Exactly! She is comparing Obama to Hitler, which is precisely what 'Bob' said. Comparing two individuals based on their behavior is still comparing the two individuals. Big difference? Not really. In fact, your post raises the question, how else could you compare a politician other than on his behavior and policies? Appearance? Taste in movies? These are irrelevant issues. Behavior is the only appropiate and relevant issue to compare a politician on.

Aggie joke FTW!

Lame attempt at haiku
Scared to address the issue
Resorts to insults.

*MissQuinn*

I LOVE Logan's Run! I also really love how cute Michael York is in Logan's Run.

Anyway, more proof for my hypothesis that sci-fi/fantasy creators are some of the most important people in society.

Uh, except for the fact that President Bush never did anything (or proposed any policy ideas) that could be remotely considered equal to what Hitler did. Obama's policies and future policy ideas, by their very nature, could easily end up with results like Hitler's.

Funny how you left out that little detail.

A hearty 'amen' to that.

It is hilarious how name calling like a spoiled brat is all you have in response to the ideas presented in this great post.

I love it. Please keep spouting off your ignorance and bankruptcy of ideas for all the internet to see. Well done!

McCarthy Was Right
You should google Venona
Yet another insult?

I'm a former English major, honey, I can do this all night.

*MissQuinn*

You have missed the entire point of this post, which is that the ideas and policies being introduced by Obama can easily lead to such results – maybe not right away, but it is the logical outworking of such a worldview.

It's not like we're saying that he's going out right now to kill people. We're talking about the natural outworkings of these ideas.

Running so soon my child?
It was a simple challenge.
Still nothing to show.

Shame.

*MissQuinn*

…or a killer Swine Flu and rename it H1N1 virus, so we don't get in too much of an uproar. And then deny that there is really anything to worry about.!

Baseless, sad insults.
Is this your only weapon?
We want something else.

Like I said… All day, baby… all day.

*MissQuinn*

If that was insulting
You're SERIOUSLY skulking
Palin like thin skin

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The Gaia Hypothesis, became exposed to it back at college, when they were going for "awareness" instead of indoctrination. Life on Earth itself regulates the global temperature to that most conducive to life, there is a "wobble" in there between ice ages and very warm periods. Global warming leads to processes that cause global cooling, there is an amount of overshoot so we get ice ages, then the global cooling leads to warming as the system corrects itself again, etc.

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you bet-

there is a veritable panoply of little buggies that 'they' could unleash- and if you truly believe humans to be an infectious virus plagueing Mother Earth what better to treat them with?

I think he will. Joker/Batman and all. Christian Bale is far prettier than me, but I tend to be a cooler head, methinks. :p

*MissQuinn*

Just more craziness from the right….

And the stupid don't know their stupid…as is the case of repukes on this board and in the rest of the country…

You were trying to say "they're", correct? Please keep your contractions straight when calling people stupid, please.

*MissQuinn*

Victoria, I think you're absolutely correct. Hitler was a statist. Stalin was a statist. Obama and today's leftists (masquerading as "liberal") are statists. They all place the sovereignty of "The State" over the individual. They all eschew individual liberty. If that means you or I need to do without electricity for 10 hours a day – so be it. If that means the State needs 99% of your income in order to "do good" – so be it. If that means a baby, or the sick, or the old need to die for the good of the State – so be it. They won't ever say it in such blunt terms, but that's what their "welfare" and "choices" and "compassion" boil down to.

Wow , great article, Victoria, I am now a fan.
Truthmyster

Go Victoria go!! Stickin' to the progressives errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr regressives!!!

You guys aren't… serious? You don't actually believe this, do you?

And how can you compare Obama to Hitler? Hitler made it his goal to aniliate an entire race of people! He put them to work, starved them, beat them, gased them… tore apart their souls! Obama just made it legal for people to have the FREEDOM OF CHOICE. If somebody does not want their child, it's better the child is aborted than suffer an awful life. We already have enough kids in the world who need help. The bible itself says an awful life is a life better not lived. You, being such a 'church go-er' should know this. Believe in what religion you preach about.

How do you know how much politicans donate? Do you have FACTS? No, you're just pulling shit out of your ass to make yourself feel better for the fact you donate and 'nobody else does'. And do you really think politicans have the time to visit every single fucking hospital? Are you retarded? You can care without having to hold a dying man's hand. Do you visit all the people in the hospital and give them help?

Please… for the love of education… don't believe this without back up… without some facts. Don't be ignorant fools. Please.

Look at how the left attempts to package euthanasia. It's "death with dignity". And by opposing it, we're not only denying a person their right to die, but prolonging their suffering. It's all about priming us to accept and even embrace euthanasia so people who are deemed a waste of medical resources can be quietly removed from the equation. They'll have to be in order for a nationalized health care system to function.

Great Post Victoria. Hope to see you here more often. YOu are 100% about renaming theings to make them sound more palatable to the uninformed. Euthanasia will be renamed "Going Home." Remember Tuesday is Soylent Green day…

If you really want to persuade people to change their minds without thinking you are a kook, I think you need to come at it a bit slower and remember that they don't see everything you see. Dump it all on them at once and you might as well be telling them that the sky is green, water is really dry, and the Earth is flat. They need context.

There are a all sorts of fringe theory books and documentaries out there pushing all sorts of ideas from the unlikely to the nutty (including the books that The Da Vinci Code were apparently inspired by) and what makes them convincing is that they set the stage and create a context by presenting situations and evidence so that when the author presents their theory, it not only makes sense but the reader or watcher fan figure it out on their own. If you start straight off with "Obama is just like Hitler", people are going to think you are nuts. If you take the time to explain the Nazi eugenics programs, then the sort of rationing to the elderly at the end of their life that's currently going on in countries with socialized medicine, and how Obama's socialized medicine is going to inevitably wind up rationing care to the elderly, the person you are talking to will be able to follow along and they may even beat you to the punch and figure it out on their own for you.

I'm gonna go friend her on facebook. I love your thinking Victoria!

If only you had been given an education, you could have spelled "annihilate" correctly, and used language that polite humans use in polite discourse, and maybe even have used some critical thinking skills in your pale, sickly excuse for an argument for government-run health care.

Obama does not give us freedom — it is an inalienable right given to all mankind. As an American, you should know this. There's, like, this thing, you know, called "the Constitution" that a bunch of dead white guys wrote that explains how you have the right to life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness. You should read it sometime. Obama doesn't GIVE — Obama TAKES and takes and takes over. But he'd make a swell fourth in bridge, I'm sure.

Read Tom Daschle's book on health care to discover what a conundrum (that means PUZZLE) is the expense of care given in the last few months of life. They need to find a way to get those costs down. Your grandma will suffer the consequences of government-run healthcare, as will your mother and YOU when it's your turn to have a decision made for you whether the cost is worth the life it saves.

When you grow up and learn to spell and speak and write and think, maybe you'll thank those dead white guys for giving you a voice and a vote. Until then, I'll exercise my right to not listen to your inane whining.

I understand why you stated that Joseph "Plugs" Biden (of "The Villages" fame) only gave 62 bucks to charity one year.

But you miss the point. Liberals don't believe in charities. Their "good work" is in passing laws that take YOUR money and give it to the deserving poor, and they get to decide what "deserving" means.

So it has very little meaning to chide liberals for being stingy with THEIR money. That is what they are all about, after all.

She's from the 57th state!

The introduction of euthanasia might seem like Twilight Zone stuff…..now. However the idea is hovering out there like "a cloud no larger than a child's hand." A small but growing number of academics are now arguing that Americans live too long and, as a result, use up a disproportionate share of medical and environmental resources. Then there is the "post-Christian" nature of modern society. Once the immortality of the spirit is rejected then all matters of life and death become purely utilitarian. It then becomes much easier to argue that those who are not "productive" should be weeded out for the good of "society as a whole." The Enlightenment thinkers that produced the American Revolution might not have been thinking in those terms but they recognized that the atomization of the individual was the necessary first step toward tyranny. And a tyranny without God is very grim prospect indeed.

But that isn't what Victoria said. Victoria's post implies that Obama is conciously attempting to euthanize the elderly, which is an absolutely ridiculous assertion. Once again, that's like saying privatized health care is implemented by those who wish to euthanize the poor. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, but neither one is some sort of mass conspiracy to murder everyone.

On target!

I wasn't specifically commenting on public health care. It may very well effect the well-being of the elderly. I don't know and am not well versed on the subject. Also, as a Canadian, it really isn't an issue that concerns me; what type of health care Americans want is up to Americans to decide. It's not something that I have any stake in, and hence, it would be wrong of me to campaign for or against public health care.

Nonetheless, that wasn't my point. Even if public health care does have negative impacts for the elderly, my point was that suggesting Obama is intentionally attempting to euthanize the elderly is ridiculous. If it was a joke, it was a bad one. There's nothing funny about simply stating something untrue. If Victoria was serious, than that is a ridiculous notion on par with 9/11 conspiracy theories. Saying that Obama is trying to murder the elderly because public health care has negative implications for the elderly is like saying Bush was trying to murder the Iraqi's because many were killed in the process of the Iraq War.

Obama himself admitted that he would not want his family to have the healthcare plan he is trying to push upon everyone else. Notice how those who are pushing this Socialist health system (Should we even use the word 'healthCARE', since it is administered by uncaring bureaucrats?) just happen to exempt themselves, government bureaucrats and selected political constituencies? It's the ruling class versus everyone else, except instead of Tudors, Stewarts and Yorks we have Kennedys, Pelosis, Bidens and now Obamas.

The physician is obligated to stay on the side of preserving life because there are no 'do overs'. A hasty decision to withhold medication, or dispense life-ending drugs cannot be taken back. They have been given immense power and trust based on their experience, knowledge and their recognition and acceptance of their obligation to always act on the side of life. In exchange for this trust we believe the physician will act honorably and will not be influenced by third parties to mistreat or deliberately end a life.

Those who claim that Obamacare will do no such thing, haven't even considered that those who propose this are admitting that they want to halt 'unsustainable' care; especially for elderly patients. What is 'unsustainable'? What does Joe Biden know what comprises an 'unsustainable' treatment? Did he take course in medicine while he sipped coffee at Katie's Diner? Or maybe he took an extension course in the plumbing section of Home Depot. Politicians and their staffers who pretend they know what's best for us, usually don't have to face the unpleasant consequences that result from their ignorance or their egos.

"Why don't we kill the kids in school who need help, too? Only a liberal would think that abortions are mercy killings, and that unborn children should all be spared the terrible curse of life."

That's not a fair comparison. I am sure conversatives and people of all beliefs believe in abortions, too, not just liberals. You shouldn't generalize liberals.

The bible does condone or suggest that a life not lived well is a life better not lived. Please look it up in the bible. You know, the thing with pages in the inside.

Thank you for being intelligent.

AAA proves once again that liberals are devoid of intellect and so must resort to ineffective name calling.
You're a joke, a stereotype and a coward who can't debate the issue at hand.

I lived with a National Health Service for 10 years. During that time, I paid approximately 6% of everything I earned to the gov't. BTW, my job gave me health insurance because if a company wants to keep good employees it offers PRIVATE health care because everyone knows national health stinks–but I digress.

Where I lived there was a huge scandal because National Health Doctors were informed that over 60s recieved a DNR code in case of an emergency. DNR standing for DO NOT RESCISITATE. So basically the unofficialy directive from National health was that if a 60+ year old had a heart attack and was unresponsive that the doctor was just to let them die and they were not required to help them. This is a verifiable fact and not scare-mongering at all. It was simple fact.

Fortunately many doctors were appalled by this and they contacted news agencies and spread the news causing a Huge scandal. The DNR was denied and the scandal died down. But the elderly–or anyone retired and not paying taxes–are treated appallingly by National Health Systems. read up on this. Do the research. You will find many horror stories about the elderly and national health.

Victoria, maybe you are just being humorous or maybe you really believe that euthanasia is a goal of national Health. I don't know. i can't tell. But I do think you are not far off from the truth. If only because the elderly cost alot and in a socialized society everything comes down to mitigating cost…

As above posted….

Absolutely!

We will one day see the Progressive's epitaph…

"But I MEANT well…."

I believe AAA needs to lose an A

When he recovers, he'll find the definition of insanity.

"Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result."

Uh-Oh…

Jen – I wasn't comparing Obama to Hitler. I was talking about people who put the good of the State above the good of the individual. As for charitable giving of Biden or liberals in general… Google is your friend…

"Obama legally kills babies and now he can legally kill Grandmas!"

But Obama does not kill them. You make it seem like he makes it his personal duty to set out to find these babies and 'grandmas' (not old people, just grandmas) just to kill them. All Obama did was make it legal to have abortions and have the decision to die or not. I realize I did not word that very intellegently(sp?), but I think if you really are as smart as you think you are you can figure what I am trying to say.

'Hitler did this.'

Hitlet FORCED the sick, weak, old and Jewish to die. All Barrack Obama did was legalize it. He does not force babies in the womb to be aborted, or force the old people (Not just Grandmas) to die. The pregnant ladies decide to get abortions and let the old persons decide if they want to suffer with whatever disease they or problem they have or not.

Obama may not be the best person that ever walked the planet, but that doesn't give you a reason to say that he's Hitler. Thats a very unfair comparison.

I'm only 11 years old, by the way. Please don't think you can be all high and mighty just because I'm younger than you.

Tom Shippey once said that Tolkien, Pratchett, Vonnegut et al. were actually less escapist than "realists" like, say, John Updike.

In the final analysis, SF/F is not about the future, but about the present day.

You are EXACTLY right! This has already happened in Oregon when the state told a women her chemo drugs were too expensive but the state generously offered to pay for suicide drugs.

Of course we only have to look at England to see what will happen here with the DMV health care system – it will be a death sentence for many.

Why is there no talk of cutting lawyer's fees – oh silly me, they are Obama supporters – people will be denied care before a lawyer has to ever take a fee cut. How about giving non citizens back to their own country – oh, I forgot, they are Obama voters. Why don't we cut back on foreign aid to people who hate us anyway? Maybe these things wouldn't be the whole answer but they would be part of it.

omg how witty……..

World Vision? Really? C.I.A. front organization Google: World Vision CIA . Also: World Vision, assassination
I guess ingnorance IS bliss!

Rejuve! Rejuve! Rejuve!

*zzzzzzzzzap*

So you reached out with the Force and she suddenly had trouble breathing?

"I find your lack of clue… disturbing."

Come on! You're a Sith.

Obama IS a Marxist. He's just packaging it in a more friendly box. Obama is the result of a very well put together marketing campaign. He had next to no experience – which is showing. Didn't have to give any specifics on his plans because the press were/are in the tank for him. He's pushed through the stimulus (what a joke of a name) and it's done nothing but lost more jobs. His cohorts pushed through a cap and tax bill that will have 0 (zero) effect on the environment but will steal more money from us. He's trying to push through a health care debacle sold to people as fixing a non-existent crisis. It's all marketing and the Dems are definitely better at it. How else can you continue to steal money from the people of this country and tell them it's for their own good? What's the saying – "Don't pi$$ in the wind and tell me it's raining."
By the way, one of my favorite movies is UHF.

WA WHOOOO!! You go girl. If you can do that I can start in that smelt fish, whatever, and suggest it be used for cat food or fertilizer.

Victoria, i love your posts! And you were awesome at the Glendale Tea Party – loved the handstand for the troops!

Boy, if that doesn't keep her posting here, I guess nothing will.

If you think there's no health care crisis, you've never worked in a hospital or nursing home. I hope that your paranoia rings true and that we DO get a socialist-like health care plan in place here. It would definitely fix some of the glaring issues affecting health care in this country–wait until your parents have to try to find decent nursing care, then come back and bitch, k?

Everyone here supports private health care as if it were the greatest thing since sliced bread. I admit I'm not the most well-informed individual on the internets when it comes to health care, but I do have my own experiences with private health care to fall back on. My mother was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago, Melanoma. Since then we have had to pay over $60,000 for various surgeries, medicines, and doctors' visits. The only doctors covered by my mother's health care were incompetent fucks who could care less about whether or not my mom received the care she needed. My older sister (who is now 23) has also been diagnosed with anchylosine spondylitis, a debilitating disease that more or less fuses your joints together, causing severely limited mobility and extreme pain. We pay over $400/month for her medical bills. Next year, my older sister will be dropped from my mother's insurance. Due to her limited mobility, my sister has not been able to find a job, and therefore cannot get the insurance she needs to continue taking her medicine and paying for physical therapy. After next year, her disability will be considered a "pre-existing condition" by private health insurance companies, and therefore will no longer be covered. One of her medicines alone costs over $1500/month. So, I'm not exactly sure what kind of godly private health insurance you people all subscribe to, but I can't help but feel like there has to be something better than this.

Yeah, we should not get so personal we use the latter. After all, the other 34 decanted from that unit at that Hatchery turned out fine, although there was a rumor about someone accidentally squirting in some alcohol while he was in.

What?

If I had a nickel for every time morons like you, "Bob," compared Bush to Hitler, I'd have more money than George Soros right now.

Not a bad idea, now that I think about it. I could buy the White House for Sarah Palin just like Soros bought it for the Anointed One.

Thank you, Victoria, you nailed it. A racist who attends a racist church for twenty years is not a racist if he's black. A racist who says that hispanics are better than whites is not a racist if she's hispanic. A sexist who says that women are better than men is not a sexist if she's a woman—unless she's a conservative woman who believes that men and women are equal, in which case she's a ditz.

You could go insane thinking about this. Hmm, maybe that's how liberals got to be the way they are…

Oh my! I was just talking about that with someone at lunch today! Logan's Run! If someone tries to put some kind of light on my palm I am leaving town! But one thought, why didn't they just release those 30 years oldsters into the wilderness instead of that swirley place they sent them to?

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Victoria:

I love it when the left can not look at other peoples opinions with an open mind. It shows us how little and narrow minded they really are. If we don't see it their way then we are just plain stupid. Ignorance is truly Bliss.

Thanks.

And I used to think Victoria only *played* a ditzy blonde…

What is with all this people on this site making assumptions? I never in my life compared Bush to Hitler, or thought it. So no, there isn't 'people like me calling Bush Hitler'. I didn't have any opinion on Bush at all.

If there is apparent facts to back up this post, why aren't they cited? Why aren't they posted in this argument? Why isn't there a link or a reference to a book which officially states Joe Biden doesn't donate? Victoria learned about 'evil leaders' in high school but apparently she didn't learn how to argue and debate. And besides, most of Joe's money is sent to taxes anyways because he makes so much. It goes back to the people.

But how long was Bush president before he went to visit the hospitals? Obama hasn't been in the office that long, so that isn't fair to compare those two presidents (and Bush was president twice, wasn't he?). Obama has to fix the economy, stablize America, etc. Maybe he has a deathly phobia of hospitals so he can't go? You can't make unfair assumptions about him just because he does not directly visit a hospital.

You are sad and twisted. To say: "if somebody does not want their child, it's better the child is aborted than suffer an awful life." is at heart what is evil, yes EVIL about people like you. To think you want to sit back and just assume someone's life will be awful, so must not have a life! So who is next? How about the disabled, the ugly, the poor? The reference to an awful life is a life devoid of faith and spirituality, a life disconnected from God, not as you would have us believe, a life of being born to parents that don't want you.

I was born in 1965, given up for adoption, and have had and continuing to have a blessed life. I thank GOD every day Roe v. Wade and attitudes like yours weren't in control back then.

No Donn, it's when you say things that are patently stupid, people assume you're stupid. Going off on a ridiculous tangent about how Obama wants to kill grandmas makes a person look stupid because it's a stupid thing to say.

wow. just wow. you are a crazy person.

Yes, I am a Sith…however, I am also wise enough to realize she does more damage if left alive to spout her stupidity for all to witness.

A Sith uses the Force wisely

Nationalized health is not the answer. For one, Socialized Medicine is not a perfect system either so why the h*ll do we want to trade our current imperfect system–that, by the way gives us some of the best health care in the world–for another imperfect system that gives shoddy care and service?

Also, you do realize that National Health Costs are going to come down to the working person, don't you? So you owed $60,000 for medical bills? Under Socialized Health you will pay out a percentage of everything you make for health care–lets call it 6 percent of your yearly salary on top of all your other taxes. On top of that–because National Health is so expensive–there will most likely be some sort of VAT (another tax) that will be added to goods and services. In countries that have Nationalized Health this VAT is anywhere between 10 and 20% the cost of goods or services on top of all other taxes.

Oh yeah, on top of that, you will eventually want to get your own private health insurance because socialized medicine is based on COST and treatments will be very basic (i.e. pain killers vs surgery for months on end; no x-rays until later in the process, people dying of fully operable cancers, etc..). So that will cost you.

At the end of the day and over the course of your life, that $60,000 in medical bills you had will pale in comparison to what the real cost of socalized medicine will cost you. This is the real scandal of it all–it's NOT free. It's a scam.

It's funny how the Socialists show up enmasse and with more vitriole than usual when the subject is Nationalized Health. I wonder why that is?

Wow

you are a lunatic

Lady you are proving to be a complete ditz. Keep it up and someone with a butterfly net will grab you and put you in a padded cell. This has to the nuttiest screed I've read in awhile. What's scary is that you attract so many other loons who are nodding in agreement with you.

I don't know what's more disturbing, the insane post or the commenters cheering her on.

I always though Samwise Gamgee was the smarter of the two…

Now I know WHY CALIFORNIA IS NOT BOBBING IN THE SEA.

Truth is now only spoken by the brave. Thanks Victoria.

Hey! Don't forget present-day Britain – what a sad place THAT nation has become!

Victoria Jackson sounds very blissful.

He had much more common sense that's for sure. And he's a better cook.

Yes, if that's how you vote, than that's exactly what you want.

you certainly live up to your name. good thought out response to some one who is concerned about the future and the direction the world is headed. you know-the brownshirts were just doing what they thought was right and didn't ask too many questions either. think this is crazy conservative nonesense: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165772/W... knowledge is power-wake up before its too late.

Something in Scripture about "right will be wrong and wrong will be right"…..

Of course, I could just be closed minded….nahhh.

She is stating nothing that is not supportable by facts. It sounds like a heart felt plea from some one concerned about the greatest country on earth being sold down the river. Marxism is a failed system that is being pushed by elitst fanatics so caught up in their own briliance to ask any questions. You want facts-try researching these things yourself.
water rationing schemes being proposed: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165772/W...
Government funded abortions? already being done-calls for more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-203737/Ch...
Gov elderly healthcare quality?: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1045100...
Care to compare detection and survival rates for heart disease and cancer between the UK and the US?
So what did Victoria say that was just SOOO far out in left field? You need to keep track of what your COMRADES are already up to, and know just what you're supporting and where it leads.

Your mother (and your liberal friends) must be so proud. So intelligent and manly. What a prince.

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If that conversation (it's actually more of a demented monologue) really took place, the store owner and staff froze up because they thought an escaped mental patient had wandered in and was getting ready to shoot the place up a la Scott Roeder or James von Brunn . Really dear, obscurity has not been kind to you.

Beautiful…and smart, too.

Loved your blog, you made a comment about the removal of the middle class, we are the ones that are in their way they hate us, or is it someone else thats in their way, and that they hate without their even realizing it. I too have been thinking on this alot and for those of us who are Christ centered, I would like to share what has awoken in me. But before I do, I will first say I am not a religious fanatic, I believe that our creator, has created all religions. The middle class is the symbolic representation of Christ, they are trying to a remove the middle man who sits in the middle of our christian trinity. Christ was an ordinary man who came for the ordinary man, he was an ordinary carpenter with an ordinary life. He lived a free life supporting his family with his trade, he paid his taxes, remember give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser. He sounds pretty middle class to me and the elitists wanted him dead, why because he threatened their power over the people, So we see Christ was in politics from the beginning, there's nothing new under the sun is there.

1st thing and then we should see, TORT ,or maybe its not that serious

Go back to standing on your head and reciting poetry, Victoria. You were good at that.

[...] a lot of very strenuous thinking, she hit upon the smartest answer that has ever been thought up… [...]

So, this is where all the loonies hang out during the day. Victoria, all I can say is seek help! You were never funny, and still aren't. Did you and Sarah go to the same school? Go suck a tea bag, you twit!

It is sad indeed, whenever a person has a catastophic illness that costs so much. It is horrible on the family and very often impossible to recover from. That being said, take a look at some of the stories from countries that do have socialized health care. People over there come to the United States and happily pay cash for their services because they know that if they stay and wait their turn in line or wait to see what treatment will be "approved" for them, they could die. A little research at the border hospitals is all you will need. Nola is right, trading from an imperfect health system to a downright failed system doesn't make any sense.

Wow. Obama as Hitler.
Absolutely Crazy.

It makes me really sad that you think only church goers give money to the sick and underprivileged.

I think this column perfectly illustrates why the republicans are out in the wilderness right now.

One ex-SNL-er got sworn in as a Senator this week.
In the same week, another ex-SNL-er rants about abortion and socialism at a shop keeper. Hey Vic, next time you do that, at least buy something first! Cheapskate.

She was eating donuts and drinking milk shakes to make her ass the size of a zipcode.

Victoria, you are so right!

No more socialism. First let's get rid of the military cause that's just government money, my tax dollars being spent by government. Everybody can protect themselves.Next police, fire and roads. Those are all social programs draining the bank.

Also states like Arizona and Alaska. They get more federal money than they contribute in taxes, so that's socialism at it's worst. Welfare states should no longer be supported!! You are so right, the more I think about this socialist agenda, the more I realize how much I'm supporting lazy people in doing nothing. Nevada has got to go.

Tax breaks for churches? What? Another social support program. No reason they have to be on the public dole, let's get them to pay their fair share.

Social medicine? Are you kidding? We have the best damn system in the word and we rank 37th in outcomes, highest in infant mortality and lower life expectancy than most of the western world.

There's no way you're going to use my tax dollars to support a system like those crap holes Canada, France and Germany. Do you know that they actually are fine with paying 1/2 of what we do in taxes to provide that kind of service? Shows you what degenerates they are, can't even pay double like us and then they have the gall to have higher lifespans. That's cause they're all lazy and good for nothing.

Thanks for laying it out clearly, you've helped my thinking immensely.

Kaitlyn, you're walking a rather fine line and leaving footprints on both sides.

Your family's experience sounds terrible Devon. My family (and me personally) have had our own run ins with the health care/insurance system. I still would rather take my chances with private health care. That's life after all and no one promised us that we wouldn't get sick; or that if we do everything would work out hunky-dory. We might be in the frying pan sometimes but a state run medical system would be jumping into the fire.

Are you sure it isn't you?

Spend just one minute thinking about it. Why do you think a public health care plan would be a threat to private insurers? Because the private insurers would have to moderate their prices and services to be able to compete with a public plan which, inevitably, huge swaths of people would opt for over a more expensive private plan that often "stands between them and their doctor". Obviously it's in the government's best interest to offer a public plan with comprehensive coverage. Otherwise people would want to get rid of it. This is about the 47 million people (!!!) in this country who don't have coverage, not the paranoia of the fundamentalists.

And let's not even begin to discuss the benefits this would have for small businesses… health care is costing them an arm and a leg!

As for cap and trade, and China, well, let's just say that the U.S. is currently behind China is producing alternative energy manufacturing outlets. In the lead is Japan, then the E.U., then China, then us. So opposing cap and trade legislation is REALLY sending all the jobs and money over to China. Also, the last president, who made it so easy for big businesses to set up shop in foreign countries with no consequences, he sent all the jobs to China. But free market guys! Free market knows everything!

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Wow. This is even crazier than SP's farewell "speech". There's really nothing of substance to engage with. Though, I do wonder why the right-wing's biggest bugaboo about universal healthcare is that "the government will decide who gets to live and who gets to die", which, is, of course, pure silliness- millions of people are already on government insurance (Medicare???), and are not dying off in droves. On the other hand, private insurers literally can, and do decide who gets to live and who gets to die- they make their profits by denying claims, and hence potentially life-saving treatments, based on a formula some actuary came up with. How is that better, exactly?

Once again, I am not making any specific comment on health care or denying that public health care will impact the elderly negatively (or affirming). There is a difference with what you said and what Victoria said. In your example of AIDS research, as well as your explanation of public health care, you say that public health care (or cutting spending on AIDS research) could kill people. I'm not commenting on this and for all I know, it could be true. What I'm specifically commenting on is saying that Obama is INTENTIONALLY trying to kill people. That's simply not true. It is possible public health care could have negative implications for the elderly, but saying that Obama is mounting some sort of mass attack to euthanize the elderly is ridiculous. This is the kind of the stuff the Republicans have to distance themselves from. I understand the broader point, and it may indeed make sense (once again, I'm no expert on health care), but outraegeous claims and falsely demonizing Obama isn't going to do anyone good. This sort of stuff does the Republican party more bad than good.

"Euthanasia"
"You die. One less person in line for Social Security and Medicare!"
"Obama legally kills babies and now he can legally kill Grandmas!"
"Hitler did this. He killed the weak, the sick, the old, and babies and races/religions he didn’t like."
"So… kill off the weak. That’s the plan."

Victoria is very much implying that Obama is intentionally trying to murder people. She references euthanasia, "the plan", Hitler, etc. It is very clear in the column. Whether or not public health care makes people die, I do not know. It is not an area of my expertise. However, it is safe to assume that Obama isn't attempting to euthanize the elderly. You seem to agree with this sentiment. Victoria doesn't.

re: language–kind of like "enhanced interrogation", 'eh?

Wow, I had no idea Victoria Jackson was a paranoiac mongoloid. Learn something new every day.

My advice: save Obama the trouble and just kill yourself.

Wow! My thoughts exactly! I have said all along that Obama was dangerous. Most of the people in this country are too concerned with their next latte and hanging out with friends, to really care about what is happening. So slowly, carefully, and sneakily the Obama administration is changing our lives. We live in a selfish society and he is using our self centeredness to just bring about his beliefs. I literally cried on election night when I looked at my children and I knew what his election meant to their future. I know and trust in my Father in heaven, but I am not blind to corruption of our political system and how it will adversly affect our lives. Wake up people!! All of us God fearing, pro-life, gun-toting, family focused, founding father fans, and in support of traditional family values people are soon going to be listed on the most wanted list. If you think that it can't happen here in the good of U S of A, then remember the Jews thought the same thing.

Oops, meant 'for'. See? Your stupidity's rubbing off on me. Must leave now.

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As long as you can look after yourself otherwise and "are not a burden" then fine, they will take care of you, otherwise tough luck.

Gawd another loonie – Jackson was never literate

Well done Victoria!! More, More………………

Wow! Did someone leak the URL of this piece to liberal blog or something? I haven't seen so much hate from the Agents of Tolerance since Sarah Palin announced she was running for Veep!

Ya, I'm sure it isn't me. "Why do you think a public health care plan would be a threat to private insurers?" We already have 2, medicare and medicade and both are in financial ruin and have caused private HCI's to increase, not decrease prices. The reason I think public healthcare is a threat is simply because the government can leverage whatever resources they need (quite wastefully I might add) in a ponzi-like scheme to out-compete any private enterprise for "lower" costs and once this happens there is no reason for any employer to use a more expensive product. This isn't a bill about healthcare anyway, it is a bill designed to get those 47 million people (many who don't want or need healthcare) on mandatory subscriptions. Insurance is a funny business, mandatory car insurance came under similar guise and with similar promises of lowering costs, but once the law was on their side they forgot all about lowering costs and we had one more mandatory bill to pay each month, even the farmer who lives 50 miles away from the nearest other car has to pay it if he wants to drive down his lonely dirt road and it is absurd.

DylanG, you are beating your head against a wall. Like you, I'm in Canada and thus am not affected either way by American health care, but you are dealing with a certain mindset here. To this mindset, Obama _is_ evil. Pure, malevolent evil. For that matter, Liberals are evil – in fact, they are (to a man/woman/girly man/bulldyke) evil communists. Even when they mean to do good, they are doing evil, as all their actions will (eventually) lead to unspeakable ends, oftimes involving dead babies and dead grandparents. There is no room in such a mindset for nuance, shades of grey, allowance for the usual mixed bag of motivations and beliefs that dictate human actions – you have us/good/heroic vs. them/evil/villainous. It's very satisfying and makes it very simple to follow the party storyline and be a good herd member.

Bush Derangement Syndrome and Obama Derangement Syndrome are variations of this mindset, suffused with hatred, bloated with irrationality, fed by propaganda, and believed with a fervid intensity. You can make reasonable, rational arguments until the cows come home and you are never going to make a dent in the ODS cement.

Adios.

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yet another winger lying about "socialized medicine".

I'm Canadian,and can tell you that none of the Retardlican agitprop about our health care system is total bullshit.But wingnuts are too stupid to pay attention to anything other than what idiots like Ms.jackson drool at them.

Somebody's going through menopause

Late term abortions were legal under Bush so I'm sure her rants during his administration were all about Bush killing babies…..in fact, since the republicans are all so anti-choice, why have none of them tried to reverse roe v wade? They all say they are opposed to it but when it comes to the law, they know they have no change of getting it reversed. Only bass akward countries outlaw abortions. Do you want the US to be in the same categorie as saudi arabia?

One last thing, LOOK UP WHAT SOCIALISM IS YOU MORONS. The most socialist things in the US are social security, unemployment insurance, free schooling for soldiers and medicare/medicaide…. Have they been brought in over the last few months? Bush bailed out the banks and the insurance giants and gave 18 billion to GM. What has Obama done to further the US into socialism?

Hitler controlled the media?, well it was bush that used the media to convince 85% of americans that Iraq had something to do with 911 so they had to be invaded. Bush stripped the US citizens of rights with warentless wiretaps on citizens and authorized the permanent imprisonment of people without trial or charges. Locking people up without charges or trials, invading countries, spying on citizens….all Hitler like things….all done by Bush. You expect the tea baggers to be taken serious and this moron is your spokesperson?

I have a question! If you are in Canada, what is your interest in policy that does not and will not affect you….unless you need to come to the US for health care that you cannot receive in Canada without sitting on a waiting list? You may call our discussion ODS, but living by the laws that are now being passed by the Obama Administration can make anyone become deranged.

Wow. No one light a match, or this thing might blow. Haven't seen this much crap since my last food poisoning incident. How about some constructive discussion instead of a bunch of wild, gross exaggerations that do nothing to further any discourse. How about providing your ideas to solve our very real problems resulting from 8 years of conservative rule. Do you actually think our health insurance system works? If so maybe you are another example of someone not getting the mental health care they really need. Please do some research before spouting lies and hatred. Use reason and logic to come up with a real argument for your own ideas (if you have any) rather than simply shitting out this incohent mess of words.

Wow! look at all the wack-os gathered here! Sure glad you all are in the minority now, You're monsterous bush years have done enough damage already for generations. When Ms Jackson lists the evil governments she's leaving out the christians. Certainly one of the more evil and destructive organizations in history.

Ignorance isn't bliss, sometimes it's stark raving mad?

Perfect….love that line.

I have an explanation for the life expectancies. Less abortions for babies that have low chance of survival. In the United States, many people decide to still have a child that may have serious medical issues other countries, not so much. When the child is born, and if it does not survive, it drastically reduces the life expectancy rate on the average. Also, our violent crime rate is a big part of it. Not the health care. Love the book "Freakonomics" it has so many really great details about how statistics are used and abused to make a point that in the end are just plain false. Kevin makes the real valid point…why do the citizens of countries that have socialized medicine come to the United States for urgent care? Look at the whole picture, not just the part that seems to make sense.

Don't forget government protection like police, military and fire. All social programs paid for by our governments. Socialism at it's worst.

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wow this is one of the most disturbing articles ive ever.. read.. lets forget the left or far right leaning of jackson… lets set aside she compares obama to hitler, and even adds in race..(?) or the states car… state car = must be hitler i guess….
how bout some facts or sources to back up ANYTHING .. and not just dialog between you and some fast food worker penned out as a sketch.

Well done, Victoria! Very nice reducto ad Hitlerum argument.

[...] talking about former SNLer Victoria Jackson. She wrote an opinion piece about Obama’s health care [...]

yeah that's is. The democrats want to kill the old people. That's what they have been working on since Jimmy Carter didn't get a second term. The old people vote went to Regan so now they want all old people dead and the easiest way to do it to offer health care to those that can't afford it….or something like that. Bush did the same since the young people don't vote for republicans, he started two wars to thin them out…..Why do the presidents hate young and old?

Victoria,
You have made a cliche point with no new insights and more than enough implied hate to make me wonder as a disciple of Jesus what part of loving your neighbor, loving God and loving your enemy you did not understand. You must be aware that a half truth is not truth. Your reiterating of the fundamentalist neocons position on social and justice positions is not that brave, or that new, or intelligent. You have often brought me laughter and been a delightful source of entertainment, this was neither.

I have no healthcare right now. I work 80 hours a week, including a full-time job and two part-time jobs because during the economic crisis, my industry fell through and I can't find a comparable job. Private healthcare for my family is unreasonably priced, in fact, to cover my family would cost more than my car.

If I break my leg, I cannot afford to pay off the debt. I risk losing my house. I risk bankruptcy. If I am diagnosed with cancer, I can't even afford to begin treatment.

I want healthcare. I deserve healthcare. I have a right to life. If you want to say that giving me healthcare is akin to Soylent Green, you are ignorant. Right now, even a terrible plan would be better than what I have.

But see, the thing is, you don't appreciate that 60,000$. That goes into the hands of people wealthier than you. If you didn't give them that 60,000$, how would they make their payments on their second BMW?

You feel that your mother should have been treated well, and you think that you shouldn't have been put in debt over twice what a person makes in a year over the illness? Well, that makes you a commie homo muslim. I'm sorry. But you should believe in capitalism. You should give your money to those richer than you, shut up, and accept it. Or get the hell out of our country, atheist scum.

If we had socialized medicine, rich people might have to pay part of that 60,000$, and Obama would have walked up to your mother and shot her in the head. Would you have liked that?

Sweet read, Victoria. And right on. Funny how some "Christians" are taking you to task but offer squat for the 9 month-old-children murdered in the womb.

Keep up the good fight.

Sorry. The city bus is paid for by TEH SOCIALIZMS!

And those poor, pathetic Danes. I feel so sorry for them.

http://www.theroadtothehorizon.org/2009/01/worlds...

Ummm…Victoria……take a trip to Taiwan, where they have nationalized health care. Taiwan is probably one of the best places in the world to live for health care.
The United States is ranked like #37…that's pretty low for a super power, dontcha think?
I don't have health insurance.
I haven't been to a doctor in 5 years.
I'd rather have socialized health care than no health care at all.
oh…and please, get on some medication. You're incoherent and off the charts looney.

Here's who we have to thank for our Marxist socialist predicament: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3513/3701578406_85...

This post is satire, right?

So you would prefer "worthy of resource allocation," comrade?

Ha ha, that is brilliant satire! Wow, good thing anyone smart enough to string a few words together into a sentence recognizes all of that as a steaming pile, or you might get a bunch of negative comments from people who think you are actually serious!

You do realize that there are probably a handful of abortions that happen in the later stages of pregnancy, right? Oh, I forgot…you've got your tinfoil hats on here.
Those late term abortions that do occur, do not just happen because all of the sudden the mother decided she doesn't want to be pregnant anymore.
They happen when the life of the mother becomes endangered. Or they happen when a father rapes his 11 year old daughter and she was either ignorant of the fact she got pregnant or was too afraid to tell anyone. There are situations that happen and women who do this torture themselves with the decision because there are NO easy answers.
These are tragic, tragic situations with NO reasonable outcome. But for you nutters to go around inflaming people with your idiotic rhetoric,it's really just sad.
For you to rest your whole case on the very handful of late term abortions is just pathetic. Why don't you spend your energies doing something that could help all of society…for instance…why don't you care about the babies AFTER they're born into poverty or abuse?
There's a thought!

But capitalism is a method of resource allocation, so far the best one for generating more resources, increasing the average wealth of the population. Resource allocation is done in response to limited resources, if a resource is so abundant it is (essentially) free for the taking then allocation is not necessary. The "crisis" is inadequate wealth to convert to health care, the "cure" is to encourage wealth creation. With the growth of business and a growing demand for workers comes competition for available workers which yields better health plans. A healthy business community yields increased tax revenues to provide health care for those not working. And we need to prevent the diverting of resources into non-productive expenditures like lawsuits, malpractice insurance, and governmental paper-shuffling. As the average wealth increases, there will come a point where getting decent health care is no more an issue than getting electricity and basic telephone service is today.

As it is practiced worldwide, public health care already says that certain people are not worthy of resource allocation, and they also have systems in place to keep "the newest and best" treatments away if they require more resources despite improved outcomes. In a capitalistic system no decent person will outright say someone is not worthy of the resource allocation to provide needed care, there are those who may wind up doing without, but there are also many who are willing to "pick up the slack" by charitable giving. But resources are now garnered from paychecks to be allocated by Medicaid, thus a belief in charitable giving has diminished under the false assumption that "government will take care of it, I already gave."

So currently in public health care and in the US form of moderated capitalism, people are found to not be worthy of resource allocation. Yet in a capitalistic system there is a built-in drive for more efficiency to yield greater profits, and for better service for less resources to draw in patients in a competitive market, which will also result in greater average wealth. With a socialistic public health care system, there is simply a drive to reduce the amount of resources allocated. Over the long run, which do you see as the one most likely to deny the allocations of the most resources?

Damn these trolls are getting weird.

I'm glad you so self centered and righteous and can't look beyond you views and think where this ends. I can see myself going to a government health care center and being told "gee Mr. Cooper your over 50 years old and you’ve smoked for nearly 30 years. We really can’t help you Mr. Cooper and besides Mr. Cooper you really should not have smoked for so long". Furthermore JJ I really want the Health Care promised by Obama in his campaign, as I recall he thought everyone should have the same Heath Care as Senators. God Bless Ted Kennedy. I hope he lives forever.

It’s living in reality and not a fantasy world. Think about it JJ all the baby boomers are losing their pensions due to the stock market drop, their are losing their homes due to unemployment and their losing any remaining amassed wealth due to higher government taxes and entitlements. The government can't possibly take care of all the baby boomers. Hey, I have a novel idea JJ, quite taxing us so much and let us take care of ourselves? Oh.. how stupid of me JJ, its really called redistribution of wealth. And believe me the distribution is not going to the poor either JJ. Queen Nancy, King Harry and Emperor Obama are raking it in.

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Um, sorry, I am in PA away from the "big" cities. We have volunteer fire departments, where people with jobs take their own time and money to get training as firemen and certified as EMT's, with normally pagers for notification leading to people quickly leaving work, for which they usually are not paid, or giving up family time and sleep, to respond to emergencies. There may sometimes be partial government grants for apparatus, those trucks sure are not cheap, but generally they rely on fundraisers which receive great community support, and (practically?) all of the ones in my "small town city" have bars and can host receptions, as well as bingo nights etc. It actually works out very well, they are trained professionals despite being volunteers, and we as a community support them and respect them highly.

Police? The "social programs" are failing many small communities, they cannot afford even a single part-time officer and are letting the State Police take over. One cannot help but wonder how much better a volunteer police force would perform. Imagine sixteen trained individuals swarming onto the scene in a tenth of the time it takes for one state trooper to show up.

You do realize what our volunteers in the National Guard and Reserve units give up to get in their training and the far greater demands when they are deployed, right?

I think I like that better than Smart car.

I never said I believed in abortions but I do believe its alright to want what is best for your child and if you are incapable of doing that, maybe its better you didnt put your child into an unfair situation. I wouldnt abort my child but I am not about to go off and tell somebody else how to run their own life. If they want to, they should be allowed to have that choice. I believe in freedom of choice, not abortions. So stop attacking my personal beliefs because all youre doing is calling me evil and a Bush and baby aborter namer to win an argument. If you want to win a debate, you have to leave personal feelings aside.

Well to be fair you didn't talk about choice, you didn't talk about your personal beliefs, you said if a child is not wanted to abort it.  To be plainly spoken and unemotional that is wrong.  If a woman CHOOSES to have unprotected sex then she owes it to that life inside her to at least let it live, she can give it up for adoption.  Do you realize how many parents are forced to go overseas to adopt?  There are many fine folks ready to adopt.  If you are not for killing another human being due to an inconvenience, then I retract my evil comment.

Wow, I get to bitch now. A winner is I.

We already have a socialist health care plan in this country, called Medicare that is supposed to look after the elderly, you complete and utter moron. After decades of automatic enforced paycheck thefts, maybe you can get 100 days of long term care out of it, with a qualifying 3 day hospital stay, and only for qualifying things like physical therapy. As long as you can look after yourself otherwise and "are not a burden" then fine, they will take care of you, otherwise tough luck. You can be so far gone that a newborn baby has better odds of surviving when left alone, and Medicare Does Not Give A DAMN.

And what "option" exists even after their family has exhausted themselves providing what care they can and they have no choice, per state agencies, but to leave them in a nursing home? First they get drained of practically everything they have worked their entire lives for in the hope of leaving it to their family. Then they qualify for Medicaid, for which there is a fine print caveat saying they can put a lien on your property to recoup. Virtually everything, gone, wiped out, thanks to a system that actively works against the accumulation of wealth within a family for those on the lower end of the income scale. The wealthy, who are always in charge no matter what the system, it does not hit them anywhere near as hard, they get the death tax which also gets farmers and hard-working savers. The dreams of an individual to work hard to lift their family and descendants into the middle class, mocked, ridiculed. A socialist system that forces those it is meant to serve deeper into the embrace of the state while pulling in their families as well, lauded, and considered such a model for efficiency they wish to spread the same to all the population.

Oh, do you wish to claim it is not socialism since the homes are primarily profit-driven? Do you know why they do not have facilities that only take in Medicare patients for only the Medicare reimbursements? They Could Not SURVIVE. If people think the care is bad now, with the pay so high for nursing home staff, imagine how it will be on state mandated wages, which will be paid for simply showing up, with whomever they can get. As it stands regular providers can only cover Medicare patients if their practice is large enough to absorb the losses, even with the additional amounts billed to the patients who may not be able to afford them, which may by regulations be limited as well.

Do You Not DARE to say it is the fault of the patient for not seeking other options. One, if you were listening to the talk from DC, they are talking about closing the estate planning "loopholes" that allow wealth to be retained. Two, DECADES of money flowing into DC by the mandated Ponzi scheme, hundreds of thousands of slaved-for dollars, have yielded practically nothing. If they had been allowed to place those same amounts in a conservatively-run trust fund, that any remainder could be left to the family, they would have been FAR better off. Save money to pay for such when you get old? Get a private long-term care plan? Welcome to the hidden side of socialized medicine, if you want the good care then YOU PAY. Private care is still available in many countries with socialized medicine, and Lord knows what would happen to the "national level of care" figures without it. What BONEHEADS like you should know is people are being denied care they have already paid for TEN TIMES OVER and more, and people say the "solution" is to pay out even more? Oh, Medicare was never really meant for that, that money was intended to pay for the care of other people? That sure as HELL is not how it was marketed. We need a system that is what Medicare should have been at the start, the money you pay in goes into a trust fund, if you fall short then the state (read taxpayers) takes the hit. For just about everybody their estate will get a sizable cash-out even after paying for good quality care, TRILLIONS would be saved without the federal paper-pushers involved, and there would be zero IOU budget shuffling as is plaguing the current socialist system.

You already have a socialist health care system that is FAILING after TRILLIONS were poured into it on the empty promises of being cared for in old age, and you want more of the same for EVERYONE? I Have Seen state caseworkers for old people get burned out and give up, nursing home workers end up fatalistic and indifferent, families devastated financially, the nursing home employee filing the admission paperwork tell me it no longer pays to save, due to YOUR SOCIALIST SYSTEM that Does Not Care. THAT is the crisis that LIBERALS have wrought.

Now Shut The Hell Up.

Jesus you people are fucking stupid.

If Ronald Reagan were alive today…

Oh, and check it out… Compassion International donates 8 cents per dollar:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=sea...

Actually I'm a libertarian, and I live in a mighty blue state that is constantly sticking it to everyone who has anything and nickle and diming us to death. Basically, if you don't have it, don't spend it. Bushlied about being a conservativeand betrayed quite a few people on the right. You may have missed the conservative complaints about the foolish prescription plan. Certainly, those complaining did not do so loud enough. There was no right support for McCain beyond \”He's not Obama\” The solution todebt is not more debt. The country was made great by vision, hard work, and back breaking exploitation without the need for government welfare. No country on earth has ever become great because of government welfare, though virtually all who have tried it have been destroyed by it. As far as the Europe experiment-it resulted in the creation of the EU to put off the economic failure being caused by their policies, all at a time they had the US picking up most of their defense tab. If the US ever goes back to following our constitution and drawing downour unsupportable foreign military involments, the EU will find out just thread bare their welfare state economies are.
As far as the Marxist comment, the US has been under a prolonged subversive attack for some time. The basis on the left was the 1960's marxist/socialist groups. These have been largely taken over by a powerful international fascist elements consisting of globalist banker financier types. Don't take that personally, they have also commandeered the republican party too. That is part of the basis of the split currently being played out in the GOP. As far as I see it you have republican fascists willing to enact limited socialist policy to gain power, and democrat socialists willing to enact limited fascist policy to gain power. Remember, fascism is not about uniforms, goosestepping, or even war. It is a method of state control. The United States (and USSR) defeated the Nazistyle practitioners of fascism, however their international banker backers walked away with bags of money to strike another day. That day rapidly approaches. Many on the left have leveled those chargeswithout ever really understanding what they were saying, and how right they were.
Before jumping up and down and waving your arms, take some time to research these terms. Powerful central State control are hallmarks of totalitarian regimes, both marxist and fascist. The only real difference between the two lies in who is in control at the top, and how the cashflows. There are those who claim fascism is a hybrid of socialism and capitialism, while others claim it is a capitalist created clone devised to mimic socialism and supplanted it for the purpose of maintainingbourgeois control. For the peons at the bottom, repression is repression.
From my perspective, the only hope for individual freedom lies with the US constitution. All other roads lead to destruction or tyranny, probably both. And currently the only people still talking about the constitution are libertarians and conservatives. The current democrat position is that it is a work in progress, to be replaced by international agreements when the time is right. That is why my response to this blog was a view of the future that is awaiting us. England has been on this road decades before us, and behold, it is a road to oblivion, requiring unlimited taxation, CCTV, rationed health care, government by bureaucracy, destruction of theexisting culture,repealing private property rights and individual liberty, etc.
A side note to expand on why many are aginst gov't health care. You may notice the recurring mention of the Nazi's. Long before the \”final jewish solution\”, there was a solution for the handicap, the insane, the retarded, and the elderly, all based on efficient use of limited resources. England promised medical care for all. Now it is care based on efficient use of limited resources. I say no thank you. America should pass.

Apples to oranges.

They may have longer life expectancies (which are based on averages and include teen age gang members that off each other at an alarming rate) but when you look at the survival/recovery rates for cancers and other major illnesses the magic lead those socialized medicine countries have evaporates.

And if you think once government bean counters control medicine that they will do MORE preventative medicine and not LESS, I've got a bridge or two for sale.

[...] sorry I didn’t stick around for her whackery at the tea party I attended (video above), but her essay on conservative site Big Hollywood more than makes up for it, though it did produce more queasiness than the rightwinger’s [...]

[...] Wow. Just wow! [...]

Wow, you're flipping crazy. You're not saying there is a wolf in sheep's clothing here, you're saying every damn sheep in the herd is a wolf with a bomb strapped to it.

People who can't hide behind celebrity and cry this crap are diagnosed as paranoid, and usually seek treatment. You might want to look into it.

Lol. Opposing views are super evil, guys.

Ah, this old claim.

So, where's the breakdown of exactly what the money pays for? How about a county-by-county map, followed by how said counties vote in elections?

Oh wait, that might threaten your little talking point if it turns out the "welfare" is money going to military installations or if what actual welfare money a "red" state does get is going to cities that are "blue" vote-wise.

Lot of straw you and your buddy have strewn all over the blogosphere.

He would look at these liberals and say "There you go again."

Victoria is right about the health care remark – this already happens in the UK on a daily basis, where the government decides who lives and who dies. Yes, I lived there for 8 years, so yes, I know exactly how it is. All my friends have horror stories of it. The worst? How one elderly man, because he had a stroke and could not swallow properly, was "starved to death" by not giving him any nutrition through his IV. Was completely lucid as well. WWII veteran too. And you say, "it can't happen here!" But if Obama gets his way, it will, oh, it will.

Um, considering our army is a socialist organization, do you think they don't get great healthcare? Do you not like cops and firemen? Those are provided by the government, but I sincerely doubt you'd refuse their help. National parks? Thank you, Theodore Roosevelt, you socialist, you!

God, you should have stuck to handstands…

“Have you ever met a poor socialist“

That right there would convince me to be a socialist. They must be doing something right.

Um… wow…just wow. Again and again the figures say, our system (yes, I'm Canadian) is far better than yours, cheaper, provides better care, doesn't limit access to ANY doctors or services, and yet you can still believe 2+2=3 for some reason? My question is… is there anything at all that would change your mind? WHERE do you get this completely upside-down information? Listen, I survived a catastrophic illness that put me on disability, my family only had to worry about if I lived or died, not the bills. When I ran businesses I didn't give a single thought to my employees health plan, or my own, and when I worked for other businesses there was not a shred of paperwork or thought at all, because it's not needed! Listen now and listen good… Who would you believe, someone in Canada who's completely familiar with all it's inner workings, facts, figures, reality… or whoever the hell told you this weirdly strange information that could be discredited in a second, if you only bothered to look.

I'm so sorry. So sorry indeed that this backwards up is down black is white world that the insurance companies have created is costing you and your loved ones so much, and I'm not talking about the money. I spent a month in a coma in intensive care, three in recovery, and my meds cost $1,500 a month as well. I don't worry about a bloody thing! I forgot my meds in the country once and one phone call gets me a refill the next day at ANY pharmacy. An even more interesting twist… I get Air Miles on my meds.. *grin* And we can afford it, EASILY!!! WE are the true conservatives that didn't listen to the Wall Street greed-heads, and our banks actually reported PROFITS on the first quarter of this year!! I do wonder what it would take, ten doctors, patients, nurses, all telling it like it is, a hundred, a thousand?

"You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing… after they have tried everything else."
- Sir Winston Churchill

Wow.

Your quite an idiot.

Like one of those old ladies in the back of the city bus, babbling and talking to her imaginary friend about how unfair the world is because she doesn't get all the cookies she wants…

Seriously, it's now wonder this….whatever she is, has a career anymore.

I saw you on Celebrity Fit Club. Obviously, your too dumb to realize that eating one too many twinkies isn't smart, and your obviously deluded and not smart enough to grasp this little known as r-e-a-l-i-t-y. The big, scary world is full of evillll! Oooooooh! I hope the big bad Barack isn't hiding in my closet!

having seen you on television…it doesn't surprise me. Your an idiot.

Absolutely brilliant. If you can get a copy of the movie "Logan's Run", that is the future of this country under the new health plan. I think I saw Obama's name somewhere in that movie. Maybe that is where he got the idea from. Best of health to you, Victoria! I loved you in SNL and now, I love you more!

It actually makes me queasy to see you Fox News puppet-heads actually take this crazy person seriously. I mean WOW. You're all voting Palin in 2012, right? I think I'm on the money here. Victoria, you are absolutely right, your ignorance does seem awfully blissful to you when it comes out of your head, because you seem to feel really superior about yourself and your delusions. I really did not think someone could be this un-intelligent.

Wow. She is either really gullible or she's a bald-faced liar. Neither is a good thing.

Obama didn't put the abortion laws we have into place. So how is he "murdering" babies? Get an education. Late term abortions are performed for emergencies. One was because a baby was near death with a fatal bone disease and giving birth would have crushed all the bones in the baby's body. It's heart-breaking work the abortion doctors do, but they do it to help women. You're far too ignorant to understand that, though. It's obvious why the Burbank sales lady looked at you weird. You're a whackjob. Who walks up to people you don't know & says things like that?

[...] really don’t know what to say. When I read about Victoria Jackson’s incoherent rant this afternoon, I just shook my head. I have heard this self-proclaimed conservative spew her hate [...]

"I’d been wondering why the liberals are so passionate about this Health Care thing. It couldn’t be because they actually care about sick, poor people. If they did, they would visit hospitals, and give ten percent of their gross salaries to Compassion International and World Vision, like us stupid church go-ers do. Biden gave $ 62 to charity last year."

How in the wide world of sports do you know that liberals don't visit hospitals? You can't prove that. You may really really want to believe it, but wishful thinking doesn't make good political commentary.

Besides, some people are rational enough to realize that they can't afford giving ten percent and still pay their other bills.

Thirdly, some people don't trust charities; some give a greater percentage of donations to the poor, some don't.

"Unfair Censorship is called The Fairness Doctrine."

How does the Fairness Doctrine censor? It requires equal time for opposing views, which could lead to decreased time for one viewpoint, but how does it prevent that viewpoint from being aired?

"So… kill off the weak. That’s the plan. Tax the workers to death. Erase the middle class. Sounds like the evil governments we studied in high school long ago. The evil governments were : kings, oligarchies, facist, socialist, and communist. Now it’s called the Obama Administration. Sounds like candy or a rock band."

What? "That's the plan"? You think that Obama has a plan to do this crap? Most people are getting a tax break under Obama's tax plan.

[...] Editor was doing everything in his power to resist the URGE to post Victoria Jackson’s all-together insanity-post on everybody’s favorite website, “Big Hollywood.” While acupuncture, tea, heroin [...]

Those countries only treat the healthiest people. The weak are left to die.

That's okay, people – just be in denial that nationalized health care is great and all that. Until it happens to you and your loved ones. Then you'll think differently when it takes you two years to get a specialist appointment (like it did for my friend to see a neurologist in the UK) or have surgical procedures without anesthesia (this happened to me in the UK – my doctor in the USA called it "medieval"). It's better to be in denial, isn't it, than to see a loved one die because a general committee has to cut costs and decides who lives and who dies. Who gets cancer drugs and who doesn't ( for women with breast cancer). Then you don't have to be terrified out of your minds that this could happen. Just put your head in the sand – it will all go away shortly…so Obama will tell you…

[...] a potentially insane “op-ed” published on some stupid Hollywood site, wannabe wingnut Vicky Jackson penned the [...]

Wow that's neat! How weak do you have to be? As weak as my dad with type II diabetes who at 75 got a hip transplant, or how about the hundreds of thousands they spent on a 1 in 10 chance that my sorry ass would survive, all the while knowing I'd probably be on disability for the rest of my life and costing them $2000 a month for meds and of course regular follow-ups. Again, weird lies and strange stories of UFO's.

i bet Dennis Miller is regretting being on the same side of issues as his former bimbo coworker, when he reads nonsense like this..

Victoria Jackson is an idiot! Or maybe she's mentally retarded, in which case she's a fucking idiot!

I hope Palin wins the Republican nomination and chooses Victoria as her running mate. Obama wouldn't have to run a single campaign ad.

[...] a somewhat-related note, Victoria might be the craziest Jackson of them all. Share and [...]

Victoria, of all the interestingly uninformed and ludicrous things you wrote in your post, please at least quit calling yourself a baby boomer if you were indeed born in 1959. Baby boomers were born when the soliders got home from World War II – you were part of "Generation Jones," now do some research and thinking before putting fingers to keyboard or pen to paper again – as that mistake is NOT the most glaring error in your ridiculous rambling article.

[...] they came for our SUV’s.  Next they came to kill our parents. Then they come up with a way to invade our homes.  One of these days they will come for our [...]

JoeG said; " This is about the 47 million people (!!!) in this country who don't have coverage, not the paranoia of the fundamentalists "

Hey Joe,, would that 47 million people include the 30 million illegal mexicans in our country ? And the 17 million left that would be the pan-handlers, street walkers, hobo's and the homeless ?

If "Ignorance is Bliss" then Victoria must be the happiest woman alive.

Victoria gets a standing ovation for this well-stated article! She nailed it. All you libs out there are the ones who are living in a fantasy world. That is until you wake up to the ugliness that is headed our way, with Obama at the helm. I don't care how much you make fun of Sarah Palin or how many insults you hurl Victoria Jackson for speaking the truth or at me for posting… your angry words are meaningless and they make you look ridiculous. So insult away if it makes you feel better, but you will be sorry you voted Obama into office.

Ok, so 50 million people don't have ANY health care. The major cause of personal bankrupcies is from the LACK of health insurance. One of the major reasons it is expensive to make things in the US is the cost of health care. For example it is about $1500 per car.

So what do you want to do about it?? What do you suggest?

I can't say that I care much for Obamas plan but what the the other side ever suggested? They scream that it will be socialism. Well lets not forget that if you are in the US Senate or House you get FREE HEALTH CARE FOR LIFE. What do you call that???

Oh, and by the way, people on the right like this always scream about abortion yet they are usually the first ones to cheer when we go to war. So they are for killing in war but against abortions? And it always cracks me up that they are so concerned about the unborn but the minute that baby is born they could give a crap about it.

"Obama said that the United States of America was never a Judeo Christian nation.
"In a speech.
"Televised around the world.
"And people disagree with Vickie here, saying SHE is a moonbat!"

With the second largest Muslim population in the world and 57 states which make Michelle proud.
It appears a Harvard education isn't what it used to be.

Are you just stupid? Do you not realize millions of Americans already HAVE socialized health care provided by the government? Not just the elderly on medicare, but also everyone in the military and their families. Oh, and all federal employees and their families.

I won't even bother with the abortion thing, right now. I can't believe people are so stupid as to believe what you do.

Every single other developed nation in the world has some sort of guaranteed health insurance for all citizens. And almost all of them have better life expectancies, better infant mortality rates, etc. Cmon, now, do a little research.

wow, loved her on snl. turns out she's a big bowl of crazy. too bad.