Og, The Original Forgotten Man
by Veronica DiPippoPerhaps it went something like this…
Og, Bog, and Grog were out hunting mammoth one day somewhere in the mountains of Prehistoric Europe. Grog’s job was to select the most succulent, Grade A Prime Mammuthus primigenius available in the Mesolithic grocer’s aisle and herd it towards his spear-bearing buddies who were hidden in the brush. Grog made his choice and, using his trusty, flaming torch, chased the big woolly one brush-ward. Unfortunately, in the midst of all the excitement, Grog forgot the cardinal rule of torch-bearing hunters everywhere: always stay at least ten stone lengths away from the back end of a mammoth after it’s eaten a fir tree for lunch.
Over Grog’s ashes, Og ponders the lesson of his friend’s untimely incineration and thinks: “I’m gonna recommend the Chief hold a hunter’s refresher course and change it to twenty stone lengths.” Meanwhile, Bog, though he has access to the same information, processes it differently. He ends up dismissing the whole episode as a fluke and decides that, even if the conditions were similar, the same result could never happen to him. As Og is busy absorbing the cause and effect of Grog’s sudden demise, Bog thinks: “Let’s see, I had half a bison for breakfast, eighteen crow eggs, hand full of pine cones, pig fat smoothie with a scoop of roe deer hoof powder…which means, if I jog back to the cave reallyreally fast I can eat that entire pit of flame-broiled grubs.”
While Og clearly observed and assimilated the dangers of getting on the wrong side of a mammoth, Bog apparently chose to ignore the historic event. Og burned a groove in his brain and made damned sure his children burned the same groove in theirs, passing his factual knowledge down for posterity. Bog, on the other hand, kept revising the story and, several oral drafts around the campfire later, actually managed to convince himself that the whole debacle wasn’t Grog’s fault, it wasn’t the mammoth’s fault, it wasn’t even the fir tree’s fault. Rather, it was all somehow Og’s fault.
The story of Og and Bog would have no place in hypothetical history were it not for the fact that, apparently, Og went on to father Homo sapiens (“knowing human”) while Bog went on to father an entire subspecies known as Homo sibi destruens (“man destroying himself”). Though they appear physically identical and share a majority of cognitive abilities, Homo sibi destruens (“HSD”) is decidedly different from Homo sapiens in one critical area: they are unable to absorb the lessons of history.
Standouts of this subspecies can easily be spotted governing countries, running the 111th Congress, starring in films, chairing U.N. committees, controlling the White House and keeping the flames of socialism and communism flickering the world over. During particularly critical times in history, HSD often emerges en masse to make sure we all end up ignoring the lessons of the past so we can collectively suffer maximum damage in the present and future.
To HSD, communism is not a failed philosophy. It’s just never been done right. European socialism –- a floundering system of government Americans have never actually endured –- is somehow superior to the pseudo-capitalist system we are rapidly losing. The government, though they have mangled our public schools for decades, frittered away our Social Security, worsened our financial crisis and grossly mismanaged everything from Fannie and Freddie to the U.S. Postal Service, is now somehow best qualified to handle our banking, mortgages and healthcare. Should HSD cross paths with anyone who has actually suffered under communism or experienced the stagnation, lack of choice, and rationing of repressive socialism, they simply dismiss their warnings.
Hope & Change circa 1940's China
I recently asked “Ron,” a Rhodes Scholar friend from Taiwan, what he thought of a college student I knew who kept a poster of Mao Zedong on his wall. Ron is married to a woman whose highly-educated father, during the so-called “cultural revolution,” was arrested, tortured and ordered to publicly burn his books. Ron’s wife, a skilled physician, was nearly forced to marry a pig farmer before a patient who was a high-ranking party official interceded. Ron thought carefully about how to define a young man who admired a mass murderer of millions. After a moment, Ron pronounced in his heavy Taiwanese accent: “muddy thinker.”
If the current trends in Washington and Hollywood are any indication, HSD’s muddy thinkers are all the rage.
Several years ago, I came across perhaps the best visual fix on muddy thinking I’ve ever encountered. I was visiting a friend who lived in an isolated, mountain region. Record rainfall that year had caused a series of mudslides throughout the area. Driving up the narrow, one lane road to her house, I rounded a hairpin curve and encountered an amazing site. Pulling over, I got out of my car and stood gaping on the side of the road. There, before me, were two houses I had passed many times over the years. One house, however, had apparently slid down the side of the hill and was now lying in ruins at the bottom of a gully. The other, identical home, located a few yards away from its decimated twin and looking decidedly wobbly, was still inhabited. And there, in that home, in clear view through a dining room window, were the descendants of Bog. Gathered around the dinner table, a family of Homo sibi destruens were eating, chatting, and watching MSNBC as if nothing unusual had happened. I had to fight the urge not to bang on their front door and scream: “Are you crazy? GET OUT!”
Propaganda Poster circa 2009
Shortly after, the house of Bog’s muddy thinking descendants did, in fact, join its clone in demolished repose at the base of the ravine. I wonder how long it took the family to finally accept reality and acknowledge their dwelling’s fate. I wonder how long it will take Bog’s descendants in America to acknowledge what they are doing to this country?
How's this for "Progress?"
Walking out of a Hollywood coffee house just after the so-called “Stimulus” was passed, I followed two prime HSD specimens down the street. As they entered their fully loaded Prius complete with scary, propagandic, Obama bumper sticker circa Leninist Russia, I overhead one, young rail-thin blonde talking with another. Instead of pondering how more than doubling our nation’s debt, nationalizing private industry and an unprecedented expansion of government will hobble their bright, shiny futures, I heard: “Let’s see, I had a non-fat, soy latte for breakfast, Acai Berry smoothie with a scoop of protein powder for lunch, hand full of unsalted almonds, which means, if I work reallyreally hard in Pilates…”
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Kudos Veronica. I think this one sentence pretty well sums up the current state of wretched affairs. "The government, though they have mangled our public schools for decades, frittered away our Social Security, worsened our financial crisis and grossly mismanaged everything from Fannie and Freddie to the U.S. Postal Service, is now somehow best qualified to handle our banking, mortgages and healthcare." Now thats succinct and powerful.
Your final sentence sounds like the old "Nero fiddling while Rome burns" shtick.
In a similar vein, I can't help feeling that the ads appearing directly after your thoughtful cautionary tale
leave one with the same impression ("Do lip plumpers work?", "Your time for white teeth").
God help us all…
Ms DiPippo, you put a lot of thought into this piece. Thanks for doing your part in the struggle to keep America Free!
Don't get mad. Show outward sympathy to "Bog’s muddy thinking descendants". (It'll make them mad)
Excellent. I laughed, and then, I cried. Given the attitudes of HSDs these days, however did they manage to outbreed Homo sapiens?
Great effort, but I think we all know here that the earth was made by Him a little less than 6000 years ago. Even joking about "cavemen" only hastens our collective demise.
HSDs (liberals) believe there is nothing to learn from past generations. They believe all their ideas are new. When Santayana said, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it", he was referring to liberals. Excellent article, thank you.
Our innate yearning for end-result equality, plus the will to power, means we as a species are doomed to learn the same stupid lessons over and over and over again.
I recommend the roast duck with the mango salsa.
"When Santayana said, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it", he was referring to liberals"
Well, perhaps- but (to go off-topic for just a brief moment) his statement also perfectly describes the woefully pathetic history of hypnotherapy. I spent almost thirteen years documenting the sad legacy of stupidity, misuse and lost potential that has plagued this incredible phenomenon since its discovery more than two centuries ago.
Maybe Santayana was actually referring to LIBERAL hypnotherapists…; – )
You're right and there's not a damn thing we can do about it, so enjoy the roast duck with the mango salsa. I'll go with the goat curry.
Good points, but the "caveman" shtick was a little much.
And you're wrong about liberals and history. It's not that they don't learn from history; rather they see it as a simple morality tale of "oppressor" and "oppressed." Whoever has "more" is automatically evil.
Very nicely put, thank you. I have struggled with this question for years, why liberals appear to be immune to the concept of cause and effect. In the end, I think it comes down to two factors:
1. Liberals are short term thinkers and are unable to understand that the way things are is not necessarily how they were destined to be. That's why they don't understand that people change their behavior in response to incentives. Hence the fallacy, that if we paid everyone the same thing, there would still be garbage men.
2. Fundamentally, liberals are looking for the security of having someone "better" solve all their problems, hence their repeated need for the "perfect leader" and the hero worship. What this means, unfortunately, is that they never have to face the fact that their ideas don't work. When things go wrong, they delude themselves into thinking that they just chose the wrong leader, rather than the wrong ideas.
I have a lot of respect for cavemen. You have to admire someone who can take down a mammoth using nothing more than a pointed stick.
Pig fat smoothies are a natural aphrodisiac.
** This statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. (just in case)
Cool read! I love the cave man shtick. It’s kinda like, “butterfly ballots” with the blithering, “Bog like horde in Palm Beach , Fl. In 2000. You have to keep it simple, for logic impaired nit-wits. “It’s so simple even a cave man can do it,” sorry had to do it, ha…
Perfect. Destined to be an Internet classic.
Well, ya know, they were homosapiens. Which is why they went extinct.
Cause and Effect! This could be harmful to the young liberal minds watching over this blog.
That's nothing. Congress can take down an entire country with a single pen. For the pen truly is mightier than the pointed stick.
Precisely whose "innate yearning for end-result equality" do you speak of Kemo Sabe? You got a mouse in your pocket? "End-result" equality is pretty much a 19th and 20th Century phenomenon.
And if you're a Nietzchien nihilist, what does it matter anyway? Just enjoy the poppadoms and mango chutney while you laugh yourself into suicidal depression.
There are a couple of lengthy talks on YouTube by a guy named Evan Sayet on the subject of Modern Liberal thought. They are very interesting. He's come to the conlcusion that modern liberals (leftists) believe that the world's problems must be rooted in the desire of people striving to be right because that is what every society has been aiming for: its version of what's right.
Personally, I think leftists want all of the freedom with none of the responsibilities it brings. They just aren't able to realize that you cannot separate the two concepts: freedom and responsibility.
I tend to put Conservatives and Liberals into the categories of "thinkers" and "feelers." Liberal thought seems geared to what "feels" like the right thing to do. What "feels" fair (they're very preachy about the whole "fair" thing).
Conservatives make decisions based on logic (the government cannot 'logically' do a better job with our money than we can) while Liberals make decisions based on emotion (It's not 'fair' that the rich people make more money. They should give some to me).
I tend to put Conservatives and Liberals into the categories of "thinkers" and "feelers." Liberal thought seems geared to what "feels" like the right thing to do. What "feels" fair (they're very preachy about the whole "fair" thing). Conservatives make decisions based on logic (the government cannot 'logically' do a better job with our money than we can) while Liberals make decisions based on emotion (It's not 'fair' that the rich people make more money. They should give some to me).
I tend to put Conservatives and Liberals into the categories of "thinkers" and "feelers." Liberal thought seems geared to what "feels" like the right thing to do. What "feels" fair (they're very preachy about the whole "fair" thing).
Conservatives make decisions based on logic (the government cannot 'logically' do a better job with our money than we can) while Liberals make decisions based on emotion (It's not 'fair' that the rich people make more money. They should give some to me).
It's "Nietzschean," dog.
We nihilists are sticklers for orthographical precision.
I think (ha ha) you and I are actually saying the same things.
The liberal worldview is premised entirely on emotion — it has to be, because logic would tear it apart. There is no logic in believing that someone "better" can run your life for you, it's all about feeling. It's about fear and seeking comfort in the idea that you'll be taken care of. If they started to look at this logically, they would realize that governments are without exception either incompetent or oppressive. So rather than face the facts, they just feel that they're right, because they want that comfort.
Because they operate on feeling devoid of logic, they become incredibly self-righteous about their beliefs. They KNOW they're right, all the evidence to the contrary. And anyone who dares state otherwise is not just disagreeing, but is attacking the very fiber of everything they believe. Hence, the angry response to conservatives, and the open jealousy of class warfare.
(cont)
Moreover, short term thinking and emotion often go hand in hand. When we see someone in poverty, I would say that both the conservative and the liberal experience the same emotion of wanting to help that person. But the liberal takes the short term answer, somebody do something now — make the emotion stop right now. The conservative, on the other hand, takes a longer term view and asks first, how do I fix this while at the same time making it sure it doesn't happen again.
Pointed stick?
What if some maniac comes at you with a bunch of loganberries?
Ewoks can do even more with a dart. (See: Ewok Adventures)
That's because homo sapiens have spent all of their time working and pay their bills regularly instead of breeding. It takes no special talent to breed, but it does take talent to hold down a full time job for 10,000,000,000 years.
Sorry. I even Googled it to get the spelling right.
But I'll bow to your expertise and correct myself.
You're a Nietzschean dog nihilist
And I shall call you "Uberhund."
Poke his eye out with the pen.
Thanks. You're a cool chat.
Liberals are lazy. Logic and reason require effort, a bridge to far for an emotional, basket case?
Smash em up and make some wine. It will help with the poked eye and the sound thrashing.
Andrew, that only works if they're topped with bacon bit sprinkles.
Hi, Bev: Since this is a movie site as well as a political one, I'm going to make a movie reference. "Idiocracy" did a perfect exposition on the descent of man, and I do mean descent. It shows what happens when smart, wealthy people forget to breed, but spend the majority of their tax money supporting those who do remember to do so. The latter have plenty of time to breed, since they don't really have to work anymore. I particularly enjoyed the part where the time-traveling hero is represented in court by the stupidest lawyer imaginable, except possibly for Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Ya nailed it, Andrew. Their prayer is "Lord, give me the patience to look at the world in proper perspective, and give it to me NOW." Once they have placed their faith in God, or the state, or the Democrat Party, they are no longer responsible for anything that happens. Conservatives believe that the fault lies not in the stars, dear liberal, but in ourselves.
Mmmmm….there you guys go with the bacon again…..
And the Penn is mightier than the Teller.
It's like heroin, only you don't get as thin.
And that is why liberals believe in equality of outcome (because it makes us feel good), and conservatives believe in equality of opportunity (because it gives us the chance to work hard and succeed). Freedom and fairness are often in conflict with each other. Envy is always counterproductive, so liberals simply deny it is a feeling, and say that is a logical reaction to unfairness. Then liberals put the envy into the tax code and call it progressive taxation. Conservatives see it in the tax code, and call it theft.
You forgot the selfishness. It has to be their way. Deviate from that, and your mean, and even more, "mean spirited". Doesn't matter if your way works better, you are interfering with their process.
Then comes the conceit. They are superior, they know better, are better educated, look nicer, smell wonderful, do sex better, own more, etc., etc. You do not match what they are, so you are not nearly as worthwhile. Besides, left to your own abilities, you may, or may not, become as great as they.
And finally, the guilt. Its SO hard to be them, they are just so wonderful, they have to find ways to make them feel less guilty for being so great. If they can do that without spending or giving of their own time or treasure, so much the better; besides, look how much they care now.
Liberal hypnotherapists, liberal congressmen, liberal college professors, whatever… The quote stands alone. Perhaps I should have said he could have been referring to liberals.
Saul: Don't forget about the psychotherapy side of hypnotherapy called "repressed memory" aka "created memory." Liberals go into their childhood "memories," and remember their parents telling them about the nirvana of the New Deal. Everybody was rich because everybody shared equally in a fabulous economy. There were no economic problems under FDR, and the world was a far better place than the harsh one we live in today. FDR had saved America from the evil capitalists.
When they come out of their session, they run to the polls and vote for Obama, not being able to figure out that Obanomics are just a rehash of their repressed memories of their parents' tales of the New Deal
Don't get me started on those "repressed memory" scams- many (most) of which are either pure fabrication, or else patients are inadvertently "guided" into "recalling" certain events that never actually happened by the therapists' leading suggestions (which is also the reason why forensic hypnosis is almost never permissible as "evidence" in court!).
If you thought that Obama and his mush-headed minions were incompetent at what they do, they look like freaking GENIUSES compared to the legions of hacks and charlatans calling themselves "hypnotherapists"!
"Amateur Hour" would be a kind way of putting it…
P.S. if you click on my name it'll take you to my book's website, and you can get a taste of what I'm talkinh about.
Isn't that the truth!
Nice… isn't that two Shakespeare references in one week? Big thumbs up for that!
I myself have an unhealthy addiction to bacon, in my opinion it's the most perfect good invented by G-d.
And yes I am well aware of the irony in that statement too.
This morning my 7 year-old said, mommy, don't be mad at the Obama voters, he put some kind of spell on them, it's not their fault. Then we had a chat about accepting responsibility for ones decisions. Then I came home and read this. Damn, she was right – it's not their fault, they're only fulfilling their genetic heritage.
"Idiocracy" was an excellent "bad" movie, it made me chuckle a lot. I do so love a good bad movie.
Hi, Golani. I have to run right now, there's something sizzling out in the kitchen.
Santayana's saying definitely does seem to apply to liberals on a shockingly consistent basis.
When it comes to the brilliant notion that some leftists have that they can make socialism work this time around because they believe that they're smart enough to pull it off, I like to refer them to that famous Einstein quote,"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
I'm with you on the goat curry.
Right we wouldn't want to confuse them with things like facts or anything. That just wouldn't do!
That's when you go for the banana in your ankle holster.
A most excellent article, as it is both funny and true. Kudos!
I for one couldn't get the imagine of Sean Penn playing the role of the proto-communist caveman out of my head either, which made it even funnier, and also somewhat disturbing.
There's a marvelous old saying in Holland that translates roughly as:
"Even a donkey doesn't stub its foot twice on the same stone!"
Nuff said?
You are a cruel cruel man, as there is no bacon in the house at the moment I'm going have have to go all Ferris Bueller and just envy yours. While weeping quietly and dying a little bit on the inside.
Saul: I'll do it.
It made me chuckle too, though sadly it wasn't that unbelievable.
Nuff said.
Although to be fair, there aren't many donkeys in Holland, so their donkeys are smarter stone-wise, than some other ones that have a (D) behind their names lurking in Congress too perhaps.
The only Dutch sayings I know I learned from a funny (funny ha-ha not funny strange) little old immigrant guy from South Africa, most along the lines of a bulls, cliffs, genitalia and oceans. But the entire sayings are unprintable here, and actually fairly disturbing so I'm fine with that too.
Nuff said.
Although to be fair, there aren't many donkeys in Holland, so their donkeys are smarter stone-wise, than some other ones that have a (D) behind their names lurking in Congress too perhaps.
The only Dutch sayings I know I learned from a funny (funny ha-ha not funny strange) little old immigrant guy from South Africa, most along the lines of a bulls, cliffs, genitalia and oceans. But the entire sayings are unprintable here, and actually fairly disturbing so I'm fine with that too.
Please let me know how you liked it?
I took great pains to write it in a breezy, reader-friendly style (replete with much sarcastic humor) for the benefit of "the intelligent layman" as well as for my fellow professionals, and am always curious to hear if my efforts were successful.
Proper use of condoms needs knowledge and planning beforehand, consideration of consequences, and the ability to have rational thought and follow logical procedures during times of great stress. Liberals tend to fail on all counts. They're working on long-term contraception, since taking a daily pill seems too hard for some, yet getting shots once or twice a year appears to be too much of a long-term commitment, people want freedom. You can get this opinion while talking to those showing off their tattoos.
Saul: I'll get the book. From what I gathered on your site, it sounds like I would enjoy it. Seems a little like my own journey from criminal defense to civil practice (along with assisting the prosecution pro bono or as a paid consultant in child abuse and rape cases), to retirement. You may turn out to be an inspiration for writing the book I've been considering for years.
Andrew beat me to it. I loved "Idiocracy", but unfortunately it is glimpse into our very near future. If Obama is going to regulate every aspect of our lives anyway, maybe he can add an IQ test and licensing fee for breeding.
No sadly it isn't, in fact I've actually seen an accelerated version of it for myself. I'm in contact with friends from college as often as possible for a decade and a half, and in just that relatively short span of time there are some whom I could literally watch getting stupider before my very eyes.
No sadly it isn't, in fact I've actually seen an accelerated version of it for myself. I've been in contact with friends from college as often as possible for a decade and a half, and in just that relatively short span of time there are some whom I could literally watch getting stupider before my very eyes.
Indeed, but at least the President in "Idiocracy" was fun to watch though.
If I knew how to say bunny in Russian, I'd join this chat. I'll just have to settle for Voltaire was a cool chat, too.
Why thank you kindly for your vote of confidence sir.
I'm almost certain that you'll enjoy it (I assume you checked out the various reviews
on my website?), but in the unlikely event that you don't, then in your case I'd actually be willing to buy it back from you because I think it's FANTASTIC that you do pro bono work for the prosecution in child abuse and rape cases!
I'll refrain from telling you what I think the precise punishment should be in such cases, but suffice it to say that I'd go "Old Testament" on them (I have a daughter and a four year-old granddaughter in case you hadn't guessed)…
P.S. Writing your book in small (manageable!) increments is the only way to go, and a healthy measure of inspiration is an absolute must!
I've been informed that "krolik" is the word you are looking for, but since my source is Ukrainian I'd take that with a grain of salt.
Thanks, man.
Whoa. I just noticed that. That is a bit scary.
I know Evan. He's a very funny guy as well as thoughtful and intelligent. And you're right about the balance between freedom and responsibility. One without the other = big trouble for any society!
And it doesn't help the conversation when liberals keep assuming the conservative solution involves a caliber preference.
I've heard this a lot and I think it's an interesting point. Like freedom without responsibility, emotion without reason also leads to big trouble.
Thanks. From your lips to the god of Internet's ears!
Congrats on having such a smart daughter.
Thanks for reading.
I think something happened to this post because it seems to end abruptly and none of the comments seem related to it. I tried viewing it in two separate browsers and both display the same thing:
"Perhaps it went something like this…
Og, Bog, and Grog were out hunting mammoth one day somewhere in the mountains of Prehistoric Europe. Grog’s job was to select the most succulent, Grade A Prime Mammuthus primigenius available in the Mesolithic grocer’s aisle and herd it towards his spear-bearing buddies who were hidden in the brush. Grog made his choice and, using his trusty, flaming torch, chased the big woolly one brush-ward. Unfortunately, in the midst of all the excitement, Grog forgot the cardinal rule of torch-bearing hunters everywhere: always stay at least ten stone lengths away from the back end of a mammoth after it’s eaten a fir tree for lunch.
Over Grog’"
That's it. Am I missing something? If not, this one went way over my head.
What? You just aren't receiving on the frequency she's transmitting man. It's very zen.
I kid. Yeah, it looks like and upgrade thingy busted the post.
In very few religions does belief in God abrogate personal responsibility.
In fact, the idea of fault laying in man is foundational to both Jewish and Christian theology.
…
Release the tiger!
Excellent article. Bog is the father of Liberals indeed.
[...] The Era of Airheads [...]
Ok now you all have gone and done it! I'm on my way to the kitchen now to whip up a famliy serving of my heavily baconated eggs benedict!
Again with the envy, but with an added dash of Homeric (Simpson that is) drool on the side.
I loves me some eggs benedict.
Yes, and this is why Og is now saving a whole bunch of money by switching to Geiko while brother Og throws his out the window while subbornly protesting about their insensitivity with his picket sign anywhere he sees a Geiko print ad.
I found it strangely satisfying that the Democrats have adopted the jackass for their totem.
Don't know why, but that's the funniest thing I've read all day.
I think we will soon see a big baby boom in the world.A large amount of condoms were previously manutactured in a small town, (Eufala), in Alabama. They charged 5 cents a condom. Now, the government is outsourcing this to China, where the condoms cost 2 cents per. As I have lamented here many, many times, quality control isn't job one there.As someone who does imports from China, I can't imagine the pig in a poke we will get there. (perhaps pigs and poking were not a good phrase to use). Remember all those poisonous toys? The bad dog and cat food? Look for more cases of AIDS and more pregnancies. Good plan there, Mr. Government, outsource work, lost jobs, and possibly inferior quality in return.
I think most of us here are fans of Evan. Love his speeches on the liberal mind. As for young liberal minds, I have always thought that saying that if you aren't a liberal when your ____ you have no heart, aren't a conservative when your______ you have no brain, ridiculous. I raised my kids with the conservative view, and then let them make their own decisions. They learned from day 1 what happens to people who use emotion, rather than logic to plot their life course. I was always firm about how I refused to engage with those folks, and in return, not wanting to seem ignorant, I guess, they never even ventured on those paths.
Really? I was picturing Michael Moore. Huh. Maybe Zo could be the smart caveman? That would be a hoot.
I'd pay money to see that on the screen, especially if he got to bring his lightsaber.
Darkwolf,
LOL.
If you all want to see this is real time, you must watch the DUmmies at Democrat Underground. They have the most bizarre sense of, well, everything. I read that blog to remind myself there are a lot of nuts in the world. The scary thing, they can't even remember from thread to thread, exactly what it is they hate, other than all Rethuglicans, and George Bush. Seriously addictive, but make sure you don't get too depressed, if you decide to venture over to their darkside. Their insanity can suck you in, if you let it.
HSD? You mean like a climate change denier who'll be stewing in his own waste in 20 yrs.?
You're right. All of you are destroying yourselves. Which would be fine, but normal people who do understand history (& possible future history) don't want to go into the boiling toilet w/ you.
Spoken like someone on the receiving end of Obama’s largess, heh? What's in it for you?
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