Defending Wanda — Kind Of
by Tim SlagleSo why is it, that a joke about kidney failure is funny, but a joke about two bullets in an elevator needs an apology? Even though both punch lines suggest death, in the two bullet scenario the victim is a Democrat. Suggesting the Death of a Democrat is a far more serious matter. (I’m also not sure why TWO bullets would be necessary, although my Mom hunted alligators once, and claims that smaller brained animals can withstand more headshots.)
I’m not mad about Wanda Sykes recent diatribe against Rush Limbaugh and other Republicans. Today, you expect this kind of nonsense at the Correspondent’s Dinners. It is modern tradition to spare no mercy for the attendees. Being an edgy comic myself, I often find that the meat is much sweeter when it’s closer to the bone. Edge comedy means that you are trying to land that punch line so close to the precipice of good taste that it is very likely to fall over. On more than one occasion I have personally felt the plummet after I misjudged where the line stopped.
I once walked out 90% of the room in Minneapolis. I was working Acme Comedy Company, a club that is famous for hosting comics who can push the envelope. It was the week after Paul Wellstone’s campaign plane crashed, and Vice President Walter Mondale was tapped to run for Senate in his stead. After the announcement of Mondale, I asked onstage the question everybody had: “I thought he was dead, too?” After about five minutes of dead silence and me stutteringly trying to win the crowd back, people started paying their tabs and leaving the showroom. Out of 273 people, only 27 stayed long enough to hear me say, “Thank you, good-night!”
So I’m in no position to cast stones here. But what did bother me about Wanda’s rant, was her inability to make any jokes of substance against the President. It’s different when someone like Rich Little performs at the Correspondent’s Dinner, because Rich Little is a very uncontroversial act. But Wanda wasn’t doing impressions of Jimmy Cagney, she was making jokes about September 11th and kidney failure.
Past Correspondents Dinners have been controversial as well. A long time ago, before Lewinsky became a euphemism for a specific carnal activity, and when naps were just something Don Imus needed during commercial breaks; Imus became notorious for making cracks about the reputation of the White House. He did it right in front of the President Clinton and his wife at the 1996 Correspondents Dinner. A review of the transcript puts that scandal in perspective; it is incredibly tame by modern standards.
But it set the bar quite high, for satire; a level that wasn’t cleared until ten years later, by comedian Stephen Colbert. Stephen became the sweetheart of the left, for telling President Bush off right to his face, at the 2006 Dinner. The incident not only failed to amuse the President, it took Rich Little out of the unemployment line for a year.
Now I wouldn’t begrudge Wanda, even if she didn’t have any disagreement with the President, for fawning over him and the First Lady. She isn’t the only comic out there who is smitten. She isn’t the first who can no longer bring themselves to satire. There are hundreds of “political” comics who came of age during the Bush Administration who are suddenly without new material.
Wanda however, should have a major beef with this President, since he doesn’t think Wanda should be allowed to marry a girl. Here is a video of Wanda getting up in the face of people who believe in traditional marriage.
The gay community, who never seemed to have a problem in the past blaming Republicans for AIDS and Matthew Shepard, seem remarkably silent about this President’s position on homosexual marriages and military service. Even the New York Times is starting to question whether the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender community has an ally in the White House. But like the rest of her demographic, Wanda refused to question the President on his opinion, or force him to state it publicly.
If non-traditional marriage is, as she said in her Leno panel “an Equal Rights issue,” how could she stand there in front of the leader of the free world, and not demand her civil rights? That routine was the comedy equivalent, of tap dancing for Governor George Wallace.
She should be ashamed of herself.
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Noooooooooo! Listen to Another Carolyn. . . please.
Stop this Wanda thing before it spreads.
Let the left and the rest of the world suck it up….we did for 8 years..they thought it funny Bush almost choked to death..
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Wanda Sykes deserves to be roasted as the pig she is.
Why do we insist on having all of these "communities" like the ones you reference. This is so tiring and exactly what the pols want.
Lets strop this crap and just be Americans who are tired of this kind of humor. Sorry to disappoint you but there is plenty of comedy that does not have to hang on insult and ridicule. It is requires more thinking, which is why it is not done very much.
A cheap shot is just a cheap shot. Don't try to justify otherwise.
"Being an edgy comic myself, I often find that the meat is much sweeter when it’s closer to the bone. Edge comedy means that you"
Oh, forgive me, I was just being "edgy!"
Grow up, edgy is another term for lazy.
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Isn't it nice being a "demographic?"
We used to just be citizens.
Well, as they keep telling us….er….uh…..this president…..uh….is just so perfect and…great and…phenomenal and…….um……glib, that…..uh……there's nothing there…..nope, not in the whole 57 states…..uh…..to make any jokes……er………about. In either English or Austrian.
Exactly right. Political satire and humor is the easiest to evoke "the response". Even if it really isn't funny at all, the polarized ones will laugh. Cerebral satire is something you rarely see, anywhere.
Evening all. If you listen to Ms. Sykes "jokes" about Rush Limbaugh or Dick Cheney you realize that they aren't jokes, they aren't even bad jokes they are just bile being spewed by someone who seems to be filled with hatred. I appreciate Tim's point on being edgy but if this woman is a professional comedianne she would have been able to come up with something edgy and funny rather then simply edgy and hateful. I also noted that the White House has "distanced" themselves from the Rush/terrorist rant by Ms. Sykes. Funny that he was laughing pretty well during that.
I've watched many of these roasts at the Correspondents Dinners. Up until now, Don Imus was about as bad as it had gotten. Sometimes the Republicans got the worst of it, sometimes the Democrats. This Sykes thing was a radical departure. I said earlier that it's not what she said, but where she said it. This isn't a nightclub where everyone is trying to be cutting-edge. It's a supposedly bipartisan event, with a known propensity for jabs at the party in power. Instead, Sykes made a couple of innocuous jokes about Obama, then went off on a vile rant to a captive audience of the 90% who were either appalled but silent or clearly enjoying it, and the 10% who were too much the ladies and gentlement to stand up, throw a few plates at her and tell her to shut her filthy mouth. If these clowns are going to continue to act like the Dinner is a nightclub, it's time for the Republicans and conservatives to provide a few very loud hecklers.
This is so obvious. Her ethnicity matches Obama's ethnicity (kinda, sorta) he is OFF LIMITS to liberals in the Mainstream Media. He is teflon, he is untochable he is infallible. If he were a Christian our African American populus would have him Sainted, mainly for being black. I was shocked and heartened to see John Stewart get on Obama for taking half a frigging hour to order a burger the other day. Leno has no balls and I refuse to waste a second on Letterman. These two rich, yet seemingly under educated "funny men" shape opinion in this country. They and their ilk are the key, when they turn on him, it's all over, curtains. BTW, 9/11 ISN'T FUNNY!
Except don't waste a perfectly good apple by sticking it in her nasty mouth.
"If non-traditional marriage is, as she said in her Leno panel “an Equal Rights issue,” how could she stand there in front of the leader of the free world, and not demand her civil rights?"
Simple answer, because she's an idiot. A typical celebrity that doesn't know a damn thing about politics.
Is Wanda related to Jamie Fox? I guess Wanda isn't a tolerant and gay gay. She must feel threatened by Rush Limbaugh. At lease it's nice to know what's in her heart of hearts, even if it is sad and ugly. I don't known which is worse, Sykes' poor attempt at humor or the President laughing at it.
"That routine was the comedy equivalent, of tap dancing for Governor George Wallace."
Ding! Ding! We have a winner.
Face it Tim…
The DemLibs never go after their 'Hot-House Orchid' brethren…
If by some form of shear electorate madness, Mr. 'O' Community Activist, secures a 2nd term…They will still be going after George Bush and Rush.
Geez Wanda, I wonder if you'd think it was funny if Limbaugh called you a dumb black lesbian b**ch…of course Rush has the good taste and common sense not to be dragged down to your gutteral level so he'll just stick with calling you what you are….a typical Obama supporter…..
Ha, so well said, brucelee, so well said.
"Edgy" has long since expired with big hair on doods.
There really should'a been at least a dozen rotten apples at Saturday's dinner, thrown at Sykes. Now THAT would'a been funny.
I'll admit, I am naive. I was more taken aback by the Pres joke about Emanuel and Mother's Day. I have 7 children and by choice we have no TV. And yes, we,ve jokes about TV and sex. Imagine trying to make TV watching "fair", it was easier to get rid of the cable. We do watch DVD's. Anyways,it took me until this morning to realize what it was that Emanuel says. Then I was disgusted that that joke came out of my Pres mouth. He needs some soap and slap aside the head. He respects neither himself or the office he holds.
You mean the swine flu, right?
Wanda looks after Wanda:The pro-gay marriage scam seems to attract many narcissists.
Apparently "speaking truth to power" means sucking up to the powerful and snapping at their enemies.
Rush doesn't need to state the obvious.
Try cherry pie.
Christopher Hitchens, classic:
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Christopher Hitchens, classic
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Listen to Andrew. Leave Wanda alone! Please, I don't want to mention that other "entertainer" who has a name that rhymes with the word buffalo. Lawhawk already banned me! Don't get me into further trouble, I beg you.
The apple would keep her from talking and that's a good thing.
Oh here we go again with this one comedian sticking up for another comedian. Jeez, shouldn't this guy be writing jokes or something? I guess tomorrow we'll have the "defending Slagle for defending Sykes column. Please, defenders, your "pals" in the business are grown ups. Let them defend themselves. If you don't like the criticism they garner because of their stupidity and sycophancy, write some jokes about we critics, and stand and face whatever criticism comes your way. I guess comedians are just a bunch of cry babies.
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I would never suggest a good cherry pie be wasted on the likes of Sykes. But I understand your, uh, direction there, though Sykes fails miserably at deserving any cherry pie, or pie at all.
Just rotten apples. Maybe some worm-infested acorns.
Debbie1960, Ya know, that was the thing that struck me most out of the whole thing. It's one thing for the comedians to be vulgar, but for the President to do it is wrong in so many ways. I wasn't really offended so much by what he said – it was kind of funny – but that he said it at all offended me. I'm not a prude, but I think the office of the President should stand for something, and not vulgar comedy.
Alright, I will take the beating…
I have always found Wanda Sykes funny. I certainly don't agree with her politics and, as Tim said, she told some jokes that probably went too far.
I still laughed. I even laughed at the Palin joke. I cringed, but I had to admit it was a good joke.
Her biggest problem is that her most offensive line (wishing Rush had kidney failure) wasn't a joke. It was just a mean statement.
Those pretzels can be dangerous, the FDA must act now! No more hard pretzels!
The far left elite seem to have lost their minds! In my whole life, I have never seen such crude, rude and socially unacceptable remarks these people make towards others. Tolerance? They don't know the meaning of the word!
The far left have all become shock jocks!
Give me the class of the Dean Martin roasts anytime!
I'm not angry at Wanda, she can't help it if she's a moron, ignore her and she will go away.
Stephen became the sweetheart of the left, for telling President Bush off right to his face, at the 2006 Dinner. The incident not only failed to amuse the President,
Maybe I've got my memory wrong, Tim.. but President bush took the ribbing with a good nature and didn't have any ill-will toward Stephen for it? (I recall one or two jokes bombed, but other than that there were no harsh feelings?)
Dom, disagree with your premise here… I would prefer to see Sykes defend her jokes herself, but if Tim feels that way, I have no grudges against him for doing so. I'll debate his points if he says something I disagree with.
I don't expect to see Ms. Sykes over here defending herself… so if Tim wants to take up that gauntlet so be it..
You, sir, are worse than Hitler.
Let's face it. Wanda was just speaking truth to the enemies of the state (that is, us conservatives). The left really things dissenters and deniers of the socialist utopia are better off dead. Dear Leader laughed because he believes this too. After all, we're bigotted hatemongers. How could we have any moral claim to live?
I remember that some of the jokes left President W. stonefaced. I also remember that Preseident W. got up and was funnier than Colbert.
"I said earlier that it's not what she said, but where she said it".
Yes, "where she said it". Sykes has never been a classy or particularly smart comedienne, so right off the bat whoever hired her and/or approved her knew this. They didn't want style or class. I think the "nightclub" Wanda is just what they wanted. She could say what the Obam"asses'" and the majority of the room wishes(d) they could say. And since she's the comedienne she can get away with it.
The thing is does anyone expect the comedian picked for the 2010, 2011 or 2012 correspondents dinner is going to be any less feckless in not touching Obama while saving their most vicious barbs for conservatives who are not even in the room? (and I may have missed her joke at his expense, but of all the main targets of liberals these days only one, Glenn Beck, was actually at Saturday's dinner, and I believe Sykes didn't even have the balls to go after him. What kind of militant lesbian is that?)
Give Stewart credit for getting on Obama for things like having Stevie Wonder and Earth Wind and Fire over to perform for him (he might have been the only one to have done so); at least it's a start…
I believe Hannity (who Sykes did joke about) was in attendance as well; at least he was scheduled to be…
Why is it that at least 80% of people who claim they're not prudes come off as well…prudish?
Hitchens is dead on. I envy this man, who can say succinctly in one sentence, something I wasted 800 words trying to express.
The traditional course of the evening, is to mock the President.
Wanda got it wrong.
Go back and read the article.
If this was a legal defense I was presenting, I could be sued for malpractice.
"edgy is another term for lazy"
Not necessarily. In the case of Andrew Dice Clay, perhaps you are right. But George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Bill Hicks, and Sam Kinison were also considered edgy. They are also some of the most brilliant voices ever heard.
Ok, here's a joke I made up after last weeks' news cycle, Shall I quit my day job?.. Is it "edgy" enough?..
"So, BO is getting tired of folks knocking his condiment selection, the result of a photo-op gone wrong when his ordering skills & staged lunch with the VP fail to produce sufficient positive poll numbers.
His teleprompter reacts: "Heck, I wanted a Turkey Club, not a burger.. This chump Biden though says he won't go near a Subway!.."
"9/11 ISN'T FUNNY!"
No, but a gifted comedian can construct a funny routine around the topic. On September 11th, 2007, Craig Ferguson did one of the most brilliant monologues regarding the date. (It is a date all the other talk hosts completely ignore.) I wish I could link it for you, but for some reason, it is no longer available.
Here is the monologue he did on September 11, 2006:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids...
It is not as funny, but brilliant and touching
"her most offensive line (wishing Rush had kidney failure) wasn't a joke"
Yeah, it is.
It's a popular form with the urban acts, where they repeat a statement with one word changed, and it becomes funny. I believe it comes from a preaching style. Reverend Wright used it in his famous remark ("Not: God BLESS America…").
Chris Rock uses the formula a lot. Here's a clip where he does it twice, most notably at the end with: 'I ain't scared of Al Qaeda, I'm scared of Al Cracker."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auqRgzuLaK8
The kidney line is a weak joke, but it wasn't being used as a centerpiece, it was just a tag line (a short joke used to milk a little more laughter out of the previous joke.) It makes much more comedic sense in the context of the entire bit.
I hope Wanda's kidneys fail & Rush has the only matching donor kidney available.
I know. I still laughed.
I don't know. Like I said, I thought it was a funny remark, I just don't think the Office of the President is the right mouthpiece for it.
Ok, I will give you that it was an attempt at a tag line. The problem was "I hope his kidneys fail" isn't funny. It is simply a mean statement.
"Al Cracker" is funny because it takes the reality of the threatening organization Al Qaeda and turns it into the absurdity of a fictional organization called Al Cracker. Also, "Al Cracker" has two "k" sounds for bonus points.
"I hope his kidneys fail" doesn't have any of that.
Okay, Tim.. just to ask you a question … and it was a liberal poster elsewhere that reminded me of this…
Why is it that "wishing for Rush's kidney failure" is a joke… (that apparently many of the left thought was funny).
But when Anne Coulter says something similar about John Edwards being killed… it wasn't so funny? (to anyone on the right or the left?)
And yes, i know the two instances weren't the same.. and I'd have to find the full quote to put it in reference.}
(note this is one of those examples where I thought Anne went too far in her biting commentary).
Well. "kidney" has one k sound, along with an ee sound (although not as funny as the k sound, the ee when used at the end of a word it is a funny sound – Most old school comics put a y at the end of their first name for just that reason –It is also why the classic comedic Chinaman character, always puts it at the end of every word).
And Wanda does do a comedic switch: from a failing nation, to organ failure; poliitical miscalculation, to a medical problem; two different concepts on just the turn of a word.
Anyway, I didn't mean to say Wanda's line was as funny as Chris Rock's, (or even that I found it funny at all) I was just pointing out that it was stated in the form of a proper joke.
As I suggested in the article, it's only a punch line when it happens to a Republican.;
It's kind of the same reason, why a fastball in the crotch, is only funny when it happens to a guy.
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"Most old school comics put a y at the end of their first name for just that reason…"
I did not know that. Thanks for the info!
"I was just pointing out that it was stated in the form of a proper joke."
I see what you are saying. It meant the definition of "a joke." It simply lacked the part that makes us laugh.
I suppose that if I were the type of person who disliked Rush and wanted him to "go away", him dying of kidney failure would be an absurd take on reality. Thus, to the correct audience, it would be considered funny.
So, I guess I will just reclassify it as a very tasteless and unfunny (to me) joke.
An apple a day keeps the liberals at bay……..hmmmmm
I disagree……
Their humor is not "edgy"….
It is "biting" as in "biting" satire. Any one can cut with a sharp knife but to use your teeth alone you have to have real talent.
Actually it is the line before the I wish Limbaugh's Kidney's would fail that intrigued me.
If we want Obama to fail then we are committing treason and are in league with the terrorists. What she was attempting to do was show up us Neocon's for the way we treated her "kind" (bed wetting liberals). The jokes fell flat and I think most conservatives did not even pick up on that subtext. The reason is that it was not NeoCons or whatever that were actually saying this. It was other liberals saying we were saying this.
Thus when you put it into a joke only the really obnoxious Huffpo MediaMAtterites even have a basis upon which to understand it. To me Mizzis. Voldermort (You know who since we can't say her name) was being truly funny unintentionally by showing her lack of mental alacrity.
Is that better or worse than being a "statistic"?
I had a fun dream last night where I saw the following event on my TV:
"Hey, brother man, I mean, half-brother man, why won't you let me marry the woman I love?" Looks over to to POTUS. POTUS reaches for his soda, ignoring her gaze.
"Hey, just because you're half this and half that, you can't be halfway about this…" POTUS pulls at his tie.
"I mean, you got the gig, you know you want to let me marry my special other…" POTUS looks over to FWOTPOTUS. FWOTPOTUS stares out into the audience, wrapping a faux fur around her bare arms.
Then I started waking up, hearing Rush Limbaugh's and Sara Palin's names used, with little laughter.
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Although Sykes' jokes about Limbaugh and Cheney set me back a bit, I do realize that she is a comedienne trying to make a political statement in front of her "god Obama." But what really irked me about the jokes and what no one is concerned about is the President's reaction to them. Yeah, a lot of over-the-top stuff gets said at the dinner, but the President should always be President and should not be yukking it up with drivel that Sykes spewed. But then wouldn't a President laughing at real off-color joke -9/11 no less, be something the late-night comedians could finally grill him for? Nah! He then made fun of the NY flyover – $300,000 of taxpayer $$ and scary the hell out of New Yorkers is just a good laugh! But this isn't stuff the comedians.
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