Everybody Lay off Janeane!
by Tom ShillueI like her. And yes, she is funny. If you’ve only seen her on political talk shows, you’re going to have to take my word for it.
I did a show with her in NYC the other night, and she was delightful. A small room in the West Village, packed with people, everyone laughing. She’s a comedian, and a good one. I prefer her more personal material to the political stuff, but that’s the way I feel about most comedians. After the show we spoke, and at one point I reminded her that I’m kind of right-wing. “That’s you’re problem,” she said, and then we got back to the friendly talk. We went on to have a great conversation and share some laughs. On a personal level, I always have a good time with her, and you would too. Believe me.
Here’s my point: I sense a little misplaced anger over her comments about the tea parties. It strikes me as a Captain Renault-like expression of shock. In order to take great offense at what she said we have to ignore the fact that the very same thing is said, in more subtle ways, every day. The left never stops accusing the right of racism.
Also, she is not a politician–she is asked to give her opinion on TV because she is blunt and opinionated. Speaking tactfully is not something we should expect of demand from entertainers–in fact, we should encourage just the opposite. I for one can appreciate a good right-wing nut job comedian, who crosses boundaries and says things that other people are thinking, but does it in a way that would be unacceptable for a politician. That is why it is shocking, and that is why it is fun. Maybe not funny, but fun–to the right wingers in the back of the room who are glad that somebody is saying the things that they wish they could say.
Her message was not to people on the right–it was to her fellow lefties. She was saying “Stop beating around the bush here–let’s call this what it is.” So that is what she thinks. Glad to hear it. I am always glad to hear an unfiltered position.
Here’s the thing; everything Janeane said is what people on the left already think. They have been saying it right to your face, in creative ways, for years. Remember when the candidate Obama repeatedly spoke about his being a long shot for the election because “he has a funny name” or because he “doesn’t look like those other presidents on our money,” what do you think he was saying? He was saying that a large portion of our country is racist. He was talking about you. He was trying to shut his critics up even before they started. And it worked. Almost no one called him on it.
So don’t get upset when someone says it out loud. You should be glad someone finally said it-now you can answer the charge. You don’t want to have to answer the charge? Why not? It’s out there.
Conservatives will even buy into this. They will say, “Well, I know that there is still a lot of racism out there, but…”
That’s the problem. People are unwilling to declare that it’s over. It’s done. The number of Americans who believe one race is inferior to another is so small that they are not worth discussing. They are silly people. And they have no power.
I like Morgan Freeman’s position. On “60 Minutes” a few years ago, he declared Black History Month “ridiculous,” prompting this question:
Mike Wallace: But how are we going to get rid of racism?
Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it.
I like that. Let’s just stop talking about it. But in order to stop talking about it we are going to have to talk about it for a little while. To declare that it is over. It has gone away.
Oh, I know what my friends on Big Hollywood will say. “Racism is alive and well–on the left!” Yes, but even that is fake racism. There is an obsession with race, certainly, but only so it can be used as a weapon to intimidate. It’s a way to stop debate even before it begins. (If you watched, they tried it with Andrew Breitbart on HBO’s Real Time. He wouldn’t let it go. He essentially said “Let’s do this–let’s put it out on the table.” Things got electric, for a couple of minutes. Then Bill Maher changed the subject.)
A lot of people agree with Janeane Garofalo. Even people who are right of center- which is why so many mainstream Republicans politicians want nothing to do with those tea party folks–they’d rather keep them at arms length. We should keep our ears open when provocateurs are being provocative. Don’t write them off as haters–they are starting a valuable discussion.
Let’s get it out in the open. Everyone who thinks being against taxes is racist, raise your hands. We won’t shout you down. We would love to have that argument in public once and for all. Right?






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She is a hate-spewing bigot. Why defend her? To hell with her.
You can have your opinion. So can she. But what strikes me is that she is comfortable shoveling her manure in the presence of fellow travelers. But has nothing to say when in the presence of a conservative? Telling.
Is she saying what people think, or is she giving people permission to think that way? I would be willing to cut her some slack if her comments were made as part of a comedy routine – there's an understaning and expectation that comedians will say extreme things in order to make a point – but she was spewing her filth as straight-out fact. I have to hold her responsible for her words.
Err you do realize our dislike of Garofolo comes from 8 years of listening to her spew this garbage, not just one stint on Olberman ratings machine. Not to mention the fact that she said its a "fact" that I'm racist, as I attended a tea party demonstration. I don't give a flying crap if she's a big fluffy bunny in person- in hollywood, you are how you are perceived
You're defending the indefensible, poorly. I assume this is a desperate attempt to whip up some hits based on controversy. Your master plan suckered me in.
I don't find being insulted particularly funny. In fact, that's oftentimes enough to get me swinging.
Posts about Janeane are funnier than Janeane! Also, the only thing funny about her is the idiotic way she spells her name. Of course her middle name is even funnier: Hemorrhoid
It's true. Look it up.
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i like how janeane is "blunt and opinionated" yet her conservative counterpart would be a "right-wing nut job comedian"
At some point in life people have to have the courage to standup for what they believe in and they also have to have the courage to speak out against what they know is wrong. To excuse Ms Garofalo's rants as merely being her view as a comedian seems to me to be no more than moral relativism run amok. I doubt many would say, "Hey that Adolph guy paints a pretty good postcard, let's cut him some slack on his views!" and therefore, I do not think it is too far misplaced to speak out against the Garofalos of this world. Words do have meaning and if she is free to speak her mind then others are free to speak theirs.
I'm willing to overlook some hatred and bigotry from entertainers because they are good enough to wash away the memories of their hate. Believe it or not Alec Baldwin is one of them (Tina Fey used to be one, but lately I'm having a harder time).
But Ms. Garofalo isn't one of them. Her hatred and bigotry comes on strong and the stench stays with you for days … I can't even look at that still shot of her without feeling the hate from her coming through loud and clear.
Hell, I hear Hitler threw wonderful dinner parties.
You can defend her if you want … but don't expect that to catch on here.
The hate's been there from the beginning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=686POadlcvc
Tom you are not a right-winger. Stop making things up. A right-winger does not run to defend a left-wing conspiracy theorist. This lady is a "special case." Where were you when Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin were the subject of attacks 24/7? Please stop the spin.
Bingo!
I understand the personal situation. I would probably defend her to a degree as well, if I worked with her. But the facts are the facts. And part of the reason we are in this mess (financial, taxed to death, cap N trade) is because we try to be friends with these people. If she can sit there and call me racist, I can choose not to watch her work. Not boycott, but choose not to attend.
Exactly. Moreover, she has never shown a shred of interest in actually discussing racism or "discussing" anything. She is much more interested in hearing herself talk, and talk over anyone with something to say. She shuts out, shuts down, and then never shuts up.
Even Satan can make you like him. That doesn't mean he's still not Satan.
You must like the way her ass looks … or something sexual about her. Otherwise you wouldn't make such a ridculous defense of the defenseless. Hope it's worth it Tom… you sellout. Use protection with this one
Epic fail. Janeane is a jerk, and there's no need to look past that. She's a jerk.
"After the show we spoke, and at one point I reminded her that I’m kind of right-wing. “That’s you’re problem,” she said, and then we got back to the friendly talk."
Wow, she's quite the charmer, isn't she?
So, no, I'm not going to lay off Janeane, and if you think I should? "That's your problem."
Also, you're "kind of right wing"? What kind?
I understand HER "teabagging" skilz ain't all that much, either.
She's scum. And she should be hammered with at least the disadain and arrogance that she uses to hammer us
Janeane is a very funny person and I am sure she is a great conversationalist. No one forces her to go on the "News" shows. She chooses to go on to be controversial. Her views are meant to be demeaning towards those on the right. If you think she should get respected by those she claims are racist then you got a little to "High" of an education.
Actually Garafalo is a self-hating white chick.
There are different kinds of racism and the whole thing is playing out in our own history. It is in fact morphing into something far different than what it originally was. It doesn't go away, it keeps changing. We are now at the point where anyone can call anyone else a racist for any trumped-up reason. But the accused has to be white- that is pretty well established. Blacks get a pass.
But make no mistake more harm is being done to race relations by destroying these words and making them mean something else. White people are now more affected by racism, than blacks because whites are constantly charged with the offense with no evidence. The whole concept is racist. It is racist to charge people to be responsible for others who share their racial characteristics. And what is the worst thing, the most hated, reviled person in the culture today? "Racist" is way high on the list just below "child molester".
It is like being called a witch in the 16th century. Garafalo is a witch. Burn her.
You can put a halo on her, give her a makeover, put her through college, and you're still not going to convince me that she is anything but an obnoxious, hate-spewing, taftooed ignoramus freak who deserves far worse than we've given her.
Everybody Lay off Janeane!
No.
Nice catch!
Does the article sound at all like "she says really horrible, stupid things, and she grossly insults the American people by repeatedly calling them racists, but that doesn't mean she's a bad person?" I thought Pollyanna was a fictional character. The author is more like a schmoo. Anybody here remember schmoos?
"very same thing is said, in more subtle ways, every day. The left never stops accusing the right of racism."
Oh those wacky lefties they say go-se like that all the time, Hahaha, no need to call them on it. Hahahaha
/sarcasm off
The only reason that we have such a catalogue of sensless and catastrophic policies in our society, economy and legal system is because we have slowly legitimized the inane ramblings of people like "Janeane". Notice that there is no such thing as LIBERAL Hate-Speech and there is never a Hate-Crime committed against a WASP.
Words have consequences. Just ask the Dixie Chicks. Celebrotards like "Janeane" can say what they want about concerned middle-American citizens who don't like currrent government policy….she can call them racists, red-necks and teabaggers….and get away with it on the mainstream media. But don't expect us to buy her wares.
Sorry going to have to disagree with this writeup. She said I was a racist because I criticized Obama. Racism of course, being the current Scarlet Letter, "Worst Thing Any Human Being Can Do."
This does not get a pass because she can smile and chit chat with the people she hates.
===Here’s my point: I sense a little misplaced anger over her her comments about the tea parties.===
That's not the first demeaning comment she's made towards Conservatives. She's gutter trash and looks like gutter trash.
Whoopie Goldberg looks thoughtful compared to her.
Chris Crocker looks reasonable compared to you.
Sorry, I have to join in the chorus of people calling BS.
I hate to break it to you, but to Garofalo you're less than human. Even disregarding her daily comments on the matter, her response of "That's your problem" points up the issue. You can imagine how she'd rant if she heard of someone telling you "I'm gay" and you responed "that's your problem" and turned a cold shoulder.
Hate-spewing psychopaths like Garofalo don't add to any discussion. All they do is help us point out how idiotic leftism is, and in order to do that you have to roundly reject the hate they spout whenever they spout it.
And you're wrong on another thing, too: she isn't funny. She got her career by sleeping with Ben Stiller, which is one of the reasons she's so self-hating. She's been doing the same cynical who-cares snark bit for almost two decades and her career has followed the arc you'd expect for someone so limited.
She is as delightful as Carrot Top is edgy. They're both as funny as Tom Ammiano (Shout out to SF!)
And I really liked "a lot of people like her." Well, that settles the issue, or does it? A lot of people liked Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Mussolini and now like Farrakhan. Her appearance on CNN negates any possible claim that she is a "comedian" or is just "saying it to get attention." She is projecting her vile racism on the rest of us, and she wouldn't know the Constitution from toilet paper (if she uses toilet paper). Other than that, she is a great person. And Hitler loved his dog.
Got it. She's "funny" and therefore can spew whatever hate-filled garbage she wants.
The KKK just needs to get a funny-man/woman in their ranks. Then they can have a national TV platform to spew their bigotry without nary a peep from the "moderator". Nice.
Yep. Heh. Schmoo. Rhymes with Shillue.
Can't spell Shillue without shill.
Thanks. I'll be here all week. . .
JG is a hate monger. She was an Air America host. End of story.
Calling people racist because they disagree with Obama's polices is just plain stupid. If she wants to apologize for all the venom she's mindlessly spewed like a poisonous tattooed toad, maybe she can pass for human again. But right now she's an embarrassment to D-Listers everywhere.
It has nothing to do with whether she's funny, or whether you like her. Having declaimed for the right to dissent under George Bush she now publicly slanders — without evidence — those who exercise their right to dissent. She's a monstrous hypocrite, a walking abuse of public discourse. She's also a liar — asserting she avoided Rush Limbaugh on the set of "24" before she even worked on "24." You couldn't find a purer embodiment of the Leftist Id. For all of this, she needs to be rebuked. The only way through the madness the left has led us into is by rising up and taking these people on. Don't lay off. Hit harder.
Oh my God. Middlin' celebrity/actress/comic Garofalo thinks I'm a racist. What'll I do? What'll I do? Must destroy her or……or……..or…….bear the consequences when she shows up on "Dancing With the Stars."
Oops–I added a letter. It's "shmoo." A "schmoo" is a German "shmoo."
"she is asked to give her opinion on TV because she is blunt and opinionated."
She is also ignorant, bitter, and dogmatic to the point of being a rainman parody.
Just being blunt and opinionated- apparently that's a good thing.
Also find it rather odd that a clapped out, poorly aging, would be hipster college dropout from Jersey gets to be the arbiter of what is and is not "straight up" racist.
Maybe it was all the tough civil rights work she did while making "The truth is, I'm a dog" with uma thurman that made her so tuned in to racism and it's pernicious effects.
I'm with most of the commenters on this one, but I admit to liking some of her earlier standup work. She reminds me of so many self-hating white-chicks from college – they can't let their own self-hatred not bleed into everything they feel, and this is a feelings game, not a thinking game. In the past few years, she seems to have grown delusional – the Rush Limbaugh/24 thing is particularly sad – but knocking the way she looks is just silly. I like chicks with tattoos, just not the ones who spew nonsense like hers on a regular basis. There's enough there to make fun of without bringing her personal appearance and name into it.
No…I wouldn't find her pleasant……she stands for much I despise and she would, given a chance do me and mine harm….so no thanks.
I'm sorry. I don't care how "delightful" she is on a one-to-one level. She has made clear what she thinks of conservatives, and it's very ugly stuff. Tom, Stockholm Syndrome is treatable.
Did I read this wrong or do you actually state and believe that being anti-taxation is being racist?
Really……….
Well then, by that definition, I am racist.
Tough.
Wow, that was probably the single most misguided piece that I've read on Big Hollywood. I wonder if the roles were reversed would Ms. Garafalo defend Tom Shillue to her leftist buddies if he said something completely outrageous about Barack Obama?
The problem with kow-towing to the "everything is beautiful in its own way" mindset is that it necessarily rejects Truth in the compromise.
The unforced and ironic incongruencies of pursuing Truth in an imperfect world is what makes us laugh together. Lies are manipulative by their nature. Manipulation for the sake of impugning the integrity of half the nation just fails to make me laugh.
I commend you standing up for your friend, however, racist, elitist and classless comments are not excused by polite social graces.
The absolute MOST that I will agree with you on – is this: At best, Ms. Garofolo helps bring to the forefront (hopefully) that fact that those on the left consistently use a plethora of straw-man, Red Herring arguments to kill all dissenting views.
You can't possibly dislike what somebody is actually DOING, or SAYING… especially if the person you dissent with falls into one of a 'protected' class. You are either a homophobe, a xenophonbe, a racist, a sexist, an islamaphobe, etc. etc. The right already knows they do this – but what it really does, is prove to me this: The left doesn't even entertain thoughts other than their own, because they have already made their mind up that any thought other than a "progressive" one is stupid.
By definition, anybody who has a thought or a belief other than one that falls into "progressive" ideology is therefore also an idiot. Or a xenophobic idiot. Or an Islamaphobic idiot. Or a sexist idiot.
Or, if I may… a racist idiot. Maybe, oh grand intelligent close-minded progressive jerk – I love all people regardless of color – but dislike STUPIDITY? Especially when it presents itself in the form of my President.
You describe her as "blunt and opinionated." I would describe her as deranged and in dire need of a makeover. If she can't take the heat, she should get out of the kitchen.
http://the100mostannoyingthings.blogspot.com/
Yeah, I liked that. "She was addressing her fellow lefties." Well she can address Marx himself for all I care. That comment was directly aimed at me and mine, and since she is certainly no lady, if she did it in my presence she would find her ugly nose rearranged, the way my racist leg was broken in five places when I was in the South fighting for civil rights. How in God's name does the author twist his mind into thinking she was addressing her fellow nutcases only when she called us right-wing racists? I think if someone gelded this guy, he would say in a high-pitched voice "is there anything else you would like to remove, my friend?"
Sorry, a bridge to far for this conservative, Janeane is a nasty hate spewing, America hating twit.
You're right. This guy needs a quick intervention. Maybe take him to Kansas, or Texas for awhile while he clears his head. He could talk to a cowboy instead of a cow.
good luck with that
I hope she gets on the bad side of Jack Bauer.
A comic says funny things. A comedian says things funny. Garafalo does neither. I've seen her schtick from the old VH-1 "Stand Up Spotlight" roughly 1991. She's a slovenly little slattern woman who started out as some uber-feminist, trying to get laughs via cynicism. The easy way out. Some idiot in the late 90's asked her opinion of a cultural/political issue and this little dog of war was let slip. O'Reilly takes a major part of the blame here by having her on and his imprimatur gave her more credibilty than is due. The Left can believe anything they want about Conservatives and when they spew bile, lies and venom I will call them on it every time.
Garafalo gets no pass. She thinks she's some sort of intellectual with no ties to any sort of actual knowledge of life beyong the leftard circles she runs in. The author should take this article, put it in a Hallmark card and give it to Garafalo next time they meet. Nobody's buying what you're selling Mr. Shillue.
Gee, I don't think any of us realized Obama was inferring we were racist until you so brilliantly explained it to us! If Janeane can't take it, she shouldn't dish it out. I think conservatives have had enough and are fighting back through public forums that have previously been unavailable to us. Seriously, you can't believe we didn't know a lot of people share Janeane's opinion? Guess what – a lot of people don't share her hateful opinion, therefore, it's time we start defending ourselves forcefully to engage in Janeane's "valuable discussion". If Janeane wants to attempt to be a comedian there are tasteless people to support her career. If Janeane wants to trash her fellow Americans' intelligence, education, tolerance, charity, values, etc, we will join her very "valuable discussion".
You know. I reread the article and I have to admit it changed my mind. If Ms. Garafolo was on fire I would indeed put her out; with golf shoes ………and a pick axe. To be absolutely sure she was out, I would use a couple bricks of C4.
There. That's change I can believe in.
And Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm sounds tough compared to this guy.
Some comments are acceptable on a stage or on HBO when performing comedy. But when making those same comments on a news show, which gives her an air of legitimacy, then she leaves herself open to criticism, and rightfully so. Ann Coulter doesn't get a pass, why should Janeane Garofalo? Here's the thing, if you don't want to be criticized then don't say or write anything. If you go ahead and do it anyway, then don't complain when others voice their opposition.
Some comments are acceptable on a stage or on HBO when performing comedy. But when making those same comments on a news show, which gives her an air of legitimacy, then she leaves herself open to criticism, and rightfully so. Ann Coulter doesn't get a pass, why should Janeane Garofalo? Here's the thing, if you don't want to be criticized then don't say or write anything. If you go ahead and do it anyway, then don't complain when others voice their opposition.
Throw the bigot under a bus………………………………………..and Tom Shillue right behind her.
Thanks, as if I wasn't already ticked off. Tom Ammiano is about as funny as colon cancer. But I suspect you already knew that.
Tom, I'm not breaking any new ground here, but I have to strongly disagree with you.
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First, I liked JG when she was starting out. She was cute and funny. I still like her in Mystery Men. Like many other performers, however, once she started speaking out in hateful ways on political issues I could no longer appreciate her entertainment value (though I still like Mystery Men, but that's my problem). If you follow BH you know that lots of folks here have had to write off certain entertainers. Clooney probably being first among them. Most have done so reluctantly, but the persistent vitriol coming from these folks just gets to be too much.
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Second, it's not just a matter of this being her mode of entertainment. It's not as if she only does this while performing. I suppose you could say that she always "on," but I don't buy that. If it were just a matter of this being her performance I could say fine and ignore it, but it's much more than that. It's personal. She is saying hateful things about me and millions of others just because we disagree with her. That's her right, but it's my right to not support her in that, or any other, endeavor.
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Third, even if she is only saying things that other people is already thinking that doesn't mean it's okay for her to say them. If it's okay for JG to spew such bile, how long before it's okay for someone to act on such rantings, either through violence or official actions such as speech codes? We don't have thought control in this country and we do have a First Amendment to protect speech. I'm not advocating that JG should be censored in any official way, but I'm certainly not going to support her efforts, and, like any other product I find distasteful, I will recommend others avoid her as well.
Yeah, I to have visions of Jack making her talk.
—right now she's an embarrassment to D-Listers everywhere—
How did she climb back up that high, James?
Nice try, Pinga. So that means you think that Rush Limbaugh should be attacked because he is important? But we are overreacting to the biker bitch?
This was sarcasm, right? Or maybe "sarchasm" is more accurate.
And Carrot Top is about as funny as Tom Ammiano talking about colon cancer.
Hey, don't insult schmoos? My cat's name is Schmoo. Yes I know what schmoos are, but only because I saw one on a MASH episode. They look like casper the friendly ghost don't they?
all seriousness aside, Poisonous Tattooed Toad is a great name for a band.
Ok Seriousness back on.
I can't even look at Whoopie Goldberg since Ted Danson's comments about . . . uhm. . . you know.
Matt
I have no master plan! I actually thought the comments would be about 50-50 in terms of support/disagreement. I was a little off.
Why do we even care what she says? Why does it matter any more than the 600,000 or so other Americans who stood up at the Tea Parties to express their own views? She should stick to comedy for those who like her. She should not insult those who she clearly doesn't understand, and hasn't even attempted to listen to them. The real question here is why MSNBC would even put something like this on the air. In any case, they don't matter either. Americans have the power to talk to each other, and organize to bring about the changes in which they believe. The liberals did it last year. Now it's our turn. There's no reason to be insulting about it on either side.
OK, very reasonable. But I bet that if you ever ran for office in school you voted for the other guy because it only seemed fair. You do not realize that he did not do the same thing for you. The trash that this Garafolo creep is saying deserves a loud right back at you.
Janeane, as wrong as she is, has no problem finding a venue to rattle off her thoughts. If Bill Maher or Keith Olbermann invite her on their shows? Fine. However, not many of us have the same luxury of media to give our two cents…except for places such as Big Hollywood.
I wish no ill will towards Janeane and she should say what she feels, but freedom of speech is a two-way street. If people don't like what she says, they don't have to listen…or they, too, have the right to speak their minds. To back off on our comments is contrary to the spirit of Big Hollywood, as that very attitude is the reason so many entertainers such as Janeane dominate the entertainment biz and why so few outspoken conservatives are to be found.
wait a minute- I said I LIKE right-wing nut jobs. And the term itself is a joke. It is what many conservatives, including Joel Surnow, refer to themselves. A term of endearment.
Me too. She and I are done professionally. . . Christian Bale style.
I already caught it. I have to go, the police are at the door. Somebody in the building heard someone shouting "Ammiano!, Ammiano"" followed by the sound of several gunshots. What do they mean when they say "come out, with your hands up?"
I am a right winger but all my friends are lefties. I like most of them too–most of them are nicer than you think. But I also love Ann and Michelle. I wish they were my friends.
So you're on the fence on this one?
More technical legalese to describe your love for Janeane, funny! You left out “skank ho” just helping.
I'm trying to follow your line of thought here… but I can't see what you mean. Keep in mind, I'm probably in the lower percentile of intelligence for most people commenting on here.
(Oh, and hell no… I wouldn't vote for somebody else in an election other than myself. I was VP in Jr. High, and I unashamedly voted for myself.)
Yep. And they're supposed to be delicious. They taste like anything you want them to taste like.
Yes. I used gentle language because I didn't want to tip my hand.
She's not funny… I have seen just about everything she's been in plus her "routines"…
There is a difference between being "funny" and using sarcastic references to GenX pop-culture icons non-stop, mixed in with the occasional insult towards groups she doesn't like, then a self-deprecation to make that all seem justified…
Perhaps she is funny if you're stoned all the time… I recall being stoned and laughing at Mayor McCheese for two hours once… So that I'll grant you…
She is perhaps "Carlos Mencia-Funny"…
But hate is never funny….Except to the simple and to others who also hate… She is a bigot, a hate monger and the epitome of the pious gits that were considered "funny" in other dark periods of human history…
here here. A +1 on all three for me.
Duly noted, my friend. Editor: Kindly add "skank ho" to my description of the lovely Ms. Garafolo.
Okay, I have read what you have to say, Mr. Shillue. No offense, but maybe she should be the one writing this article if she feels that she has been wronged or misinterpreted in some way. She did not appear on Olberman's show as a "comedian". She appeared as a political pundit from Air America. She can say anything she wants, but I will say anything I want too! If she can't take it, then she should keep her mouth shut!!
I agree. My point is that the real problem is the unspoken mass of people on the left who think all right wingers are racist, not people like Janeane who always speak their mind, and loudly, and often crassly. I say have the argument out in the open.
Subtlety, thy name is LawhawkSF.
Cats or Schmoos? And where might one procure such a creature?
They want you to show them a firearm (just wave it around), and then discharge it over their heads. Just standard police stuff, no big deal.
I am a white, native Californian female, 48 and have never "got" racism. My dad grew up in the South, with servants, moved here in high school and had a hard time adjusting to how life in CA was. There was not much going on. Ok, I grew-up and live in San Diego, but still, I never saw a lot of "hate". For this to still be on the table 30 years after I graduated in ridiculous. I believe, the reason this will NEVER go away is then the blacks/.African-Americans will no longer have an excuse for their lack of achievement as a communtiy or culture. The entitlements would then dry-up. They would then be just like the rest of us, trying to make a living, paying our taxes.
I do have Stockholm Syndrome! I admit it! I live in Manhattan and work with only show biz people. But most of them are good hearted folk, what can I say. I like them.
Here's the thing: the real problem is the people who think you are racist rednecks but are unwilling to say it. I say lets have the argument out in the open.
I remember the schmoo. But unlike this guy, the schmoo wasn't trying to convince itself and others that it wasn't something other than what it was. Man, I miss those days.
For someone who is as intelligent and funny as you ascribe, why does she have only two things to say about everything political? Conservatives are racist. Conservatives are brain damaged.
I get sharper commentary from glue sniffers at the DailyKos.
[...] over at Big Hollywood comes this knee slapper… Everybody Lay off Janeane! by Tom Shillue I like her. And yes, she [...]
I have plenty of liberal friends. Some really disliked Bush. Others think socialism is a good thing. But none of them ever called me what that pig called us, and they all know where I was in 1964. Some lowlife skank calling me a racist is going to send up angry red flags. She is not a liberal. She is a filthy-mouthed guttersnipe card-carrying member of the extreme loony left.
Both. But shmoos have more meat. And I think Al Capp took the secret to his grave. You can get cats anywhere.
Regardless. I do have to give you kudos sir. However, I would find this behavior from a conservative to be far more objectionable. But I do tend to hold my side to a higher standard. DUTY, HONOR,INTEGRITY.
SUA SPONTE
She's an ugly little turd without any redeeming talent. And while we're at it, who the hell are YOU, "Tom"?
Any author in this comment section writes better than "Tom" does. What is this? Affirmative action blog authors?
Btw, I haven't found a master list, but I'm not watching 24 again, until the b*tch is gone and they stop with the SFB "globaloney warming" ads.
Man, can't the libtards even see past their hatred long enough to see that "green" ANYTHING is just a tax that THEY have to pay, just like we do, if it's passed??
I’m concerned about the Hawk. He’s on the fence about JG, ha!
mr tepid. He's kind of right wing. I get that he was trying to establish a middleground. But he came across as concillitory. There was no persuasion happening. Just aw come on guys, she's not so bad. if you want to establish the center, you have to do so from a position of stregnth. He's trying from a position of conceeding her points.
She just called millions of patriotic Americans racist wannabe Klan members.
Eff her and the horse she rode in on, and anyone who's kissing her backside now, for whatever reason.
In a just universe, some anonyomous person would send her a Tonya Harding Greeting Card.
THAT would be funny.
She was not doing a standup routine. She was making political commentary which is every person's right to critique. The woman has some serious psychological problems and unfortunately, she probably will never, ever be much better. Her method of dealing with her pathology is to project it on to others. Everything she says about the right is a description of her behavior and attitudes in the very moment she was doing it. Instead of having the abiltiy to confront this stuff in herself she is deperate to attribute it to someone else. When she gave her description of the "science" behind why people on the right are the way they are I thought we had entered the land of the delusional. I think the author of this piece is caught up in the thrill of the shock of her behavior and is not able to see the destructiveness of it in ones personal life and relationships. It's not just conservatives that she projects this crap on. It's most likely anyone who disagrees with her.
Wow nice. But sir please don't hold back on our account. Tell us what you REALLY think.
SUA SPONTE
Oh, I think we've all had friends we were embarrassed to admit we hung around. And Liberal chicks ARE easy…especially those not that easy on the eyes (though I always just assume Inane is a lesbian. It's easier to mesh with my Worldview.) As for 'laying off her'….absolutely! Just as soon as am not forcefed her views at every turn.She has every right (sorry, Inane, no offense intended) to her point of view, as misguided and vile as her delivery tends to be, and I reserve the right to do everything in my power to ensure her of a career more befitting her 'talent', and that means boycotting (or personcotting if you will) any and all media that give her an outlet. Sorry, 24.
Yeah, he seems a little too indifferent about JG for my taste.
Lay off her?!? She can shovel her garbage, lies, and assorted leftist kook hypocrisy at us and WE'RE the ones to lay off her??? Not only is she a grossly misinformed political commentator, but Janeane Gawdawful-o is the poorest excuse for a comedian around. As I've said before, she must have a terrific agent because her "talent" doesn't get her bookings.
there was a bit of sarcasm in this.
On this site this week, we have been told to admire Bono and now we have to lay off this blithering racist, idiot pseudo comedian, Garofolo? Has this site been transported to a parallel universe when I wasn't watching? What's next? We have to agree with what Meghan McCain says?
I was thinking about going to see her when she comes to Birmingham next month. She's appearing at this little dive called the BottleTree Cafe. I was going to heckle her, but, after reading this plea, I've changed my mind.
"Come on people, now, shine on your brother, everybody get together and love one another right now". I know she'd understand.
Beam me up, Scotty.
This seems to have touched a nerve with you my friend? Don't get me wrong, we are enjoying the show. But out of concern for your blood pressure, you didn't skip any pills today did you?
It's not easy being gentle. They won't print my real thoughts on this site (but I could go over to the Daily Kos and HuffPo and see if they'll print them there).
JG would be the first to have Shillue run out of town and have him blacklisted from the comedy club circuit if he said anything even slightly disapproving of the One.
Leftists are so quick to turn on their own if the slightest divergence from the acceptable line is made. The 'traitor' will be destroyed utterly by those on the Left, unless the 'traitor' goes through the usual 'reeducation' program.
hey!
I have to throw the BS flag on this too, and add; who are you to tell anyone to give her a break.
This personal attacks outside her comedy routine are simply a lack of any reasonable argument or debate on the issue. The governments "kid in a candy store" taxes are obviously indefensible, so she and others like her resort to name calling. When George W. as in office it was called distention, today its racism, and insanity, and I for one am tired of the lefts double, triple and quadruple standards.
And by the way, that picture of her? Talk about spam sucking trailer trash. Nasty, homemade looking tattoos, looking like her last bath was just before Y2K, and lets not even go with the sagging T?ts (time for a bra honey) Yeah, that's class. But that, at least, is what I expect of her.
You made the comment that you were "kinda right- wing" (I'll get to that in a minute), to which she replied, “That’s you’re problem”. This is called entitlement. You either agree with her or you are the enemy. No discussion, no MEANINGFUL debate, not one ounce of compassion. Just hate, and I am for one, TIRED OF IT.
I am not a racist because I disagree with our current president. I also happened to disagree with our former president on some things as well. It was OK to call GW a Fashist, Hitler, and hang effigies of Palin, but when I as a hard working individual say enough taxes to our government, some entitled skank calls me a racist. Well, I've got news for you honey! (you too!) DUMB@SS ISN'T A RACE.
Now, as for your "kinda right- wing" comment. Come on. I AM a center Right conservative, who uses common sense to make up his own mind, and if you think you are carrying a torch for me with that comment (and posting here YOU ARE), then have some conviction. I look forward to hearing different sides of issues and making up my own mind, and do all of the Conservatives I know. I don't need you, someone who appears more a sycophant, than kinda right-wing, telling me to "lay off!"
I have the right to turn off 24 and other shows simply because I don't like her comments. Stars who I thought were decent people are caught in reality situations and it ruins them for life. She could play the part of, oh anything with class, and caring, (not that she could pull it off) but I would not be able to watch it, because all I can see is her bitterness and hatred.
That's the problem with all these new money Hollywood liberals. They have some many people kissing their entitled backsides, that they actually think they are relevant, and have something worthwhile to say. I guess that's why reality shows are taking over.
Christopher
So what to do Tom? Nod and "uh hum" like Olbermann? Hope she invites you to a party, see how wonderful you are, where she'll learn through countless rituals of "Kumbayah" right-wingers are not the racist, inbred wretch she portends? How's that attitude worked the last 40 years, while the Garofalo's wrecked media, education and pop culture.
Garofalo demonstrated she's more hateful and more racist than any Tea Partier, Republican or conservative. If we are to ever win this fight, there comes a time when people in entertainment and leadership need to take liberals for their word. It's apparent you've still haven't learned that lesson or aren't even intent on hearing it. I don't take anyone with this attitude seriously within the movement, especially such Chamberlain pose.
Some of Ridley's "don't be critical of Obama" posts were inane, but this may have topped the list in the short history of this site.
Sir, you are possessing two items that would void any attempt at posting at those sites. Intelligence and common sense.
I took extras. You know my history, and you know that this one-note leftist samba was born about two months after I got out of the hospital after the surgery on my leg. I don't want anyone's praise for what a whole lot of us did to further civil rights in the South, but to have this ignorant pig call us racists is more than any pill is capable of controlling. She likes tattoos, so maybe she's a masochist, too. In which case I'll be glad to break her leg in the same number of places and in the same way as mine. I'll even call her n—-r lover, just like they called us. Then, and only then, can that living, breathing cancer call me a racist. PEACE
I would never be in her company or pay to see her show since she considers me a racist without knowing a thing about me!! I have a hard time keeping my last meal down when I see her face and I have a cast iron stomach. I was pregnant three times and never had morning sickness. Why are you defending her? She is spewing HATE – plain and simple. I really hope 24 kills her off or fires her and doesn't bring her back next year or the show may lose alot of faithful viewers.
'notalways right' and 'Joan' have nailed it. I was about to respond to silly Shillue's spineless equivocating when you both did it much better.
Damn, I hate moral relativism. It just leads you silently into the showers to wait for the Zyclon B. (And even then the murderers still insist 'well, they died clean'.)
Why give Garofolo a break? She didn't give any of the "teabagging rednecks" a break when she labeled them all racists. I say hold her accountable for her hateful comments. I doubt it'll make her think twice before declaring all Conservatives mentally deficient again, but she should have to defend such tripe. I have no sympathy for her. At all.
Well, she was brave enough to insult Mr. Shillue to his face by saying that his views were "his problem."
She's got that goin' for her…
How unexpected! I LOVED Tom's portrayal of "I'm an artist'" (which incidentally caused my youtube account to be suspended for posting it, frickin' comedy central), and I would have expected him to realize that his song was about her and her ilk.
I tried liking the woman when we both lived in Aspen. It was not to be. She's just to angry. At everything.
I feel like a lot of people only read the title of my post, which was meant to be kind of silly.
What I am saying is that a huge portion of this country thinks people on the right are evil. The people who anchor most of the news shows, the people who write most of the screenplays, the editorial boards of most of the newspapers, and a lot of the people who work for this current administration. By making a big fuss out of someone who comes out and says it out loud, we make a mistake.
For the record, I will note the interesting difference between you two. You did what you knew to be right and stood up to a rotten establishment to get it done. For that, you have my admiration.
JG came along in a very cushy age, took an even cushier job, never put herself at risk in any way, and yet not only tries to cloak herself in the same mantel that you built, but she acts like the very thing you fought in building that mantel. For that, she can go f…k herself.
My hat is off to you, and my middle finger is up to her.
So, Shillue – this is how you let people treat your FRIENDS? Defend someone who spew hate and garbage at your friends, sneer at them for racist because they hold a belief than the spewer. And not only do you NOT confront the spewer, not only do you defend her, but you then demand that your 'friends' do the same. This is your idea of friendship?
Hey, please include me as one of your enemies. They HAVE to get more respect from you – it's not possible for you to give them less.
thx!
Yes, it was about people like Janeane. These are the people I work with every day! They are sweethearts, but misguided. Please keep violating comedy central copyrights for me. thank you.
here's the thing- I am critical of Obama. I would attend a tea party. I think outrage over someone saying what so many others believe is the mistake. A lot of people think conservatism=racism. Mainstream people suggest it all the time, with no fuss.
I'm sure Hitler could be warm and fuzzy at times, too. But that doesn't mean he wasn't accountable for his beliefs, either.
Just because Garafolo hasn't killed millions (yet), doesn't get her a pass with me, either.
Tom, you're guilty of being a genuinely good person… Don't ever change that about yourself…
"I reminded her that I’m kind of right-wing. “That’s you’re problem,” she said, and then we got back to the friendly talk."
He really took her down a notch didn't he?
I make as much fuss as possible when anyone does that.
I recommend phoning it in.
Or as Barack Hussein Obama said…
"you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig"
"Ah, hell, no!"
Will Smith
Not only is it difficult to defend stupid, it's foolish. Just because Garofolo has a media forum, doesn't imply that the words coming from here mouth are relevant. Unlike in third grade, there ARE stupid comments. Regurgitating your feelings may do wonders for your own self esteem, but to folks who believe in objective truth, her estrogen induced meanderings have absolutely no "socially redeeming value." Why give credence to bathroom stall commentary? Discernment is a lost skill; it is no longer taught in school. The perversion of "tolerance" that pretends that being "non-judgemental" is somehow a value, is foolish. Real life lessons are based on real life judgements: don't touch the hot stove again makes a hell of a lot more sense than "I guess we should be tolerant of the heat." A moron is still a moron, whether or not she's got a nice personality. Stupid is, as stupid does could never be truer. Grow up children, and start making adult decisions based on discernment.
I'm glad you think Garofolo is delightful. But she thinks you're a racist moron whose synapses are misfiring.
After the show we spoke, and at one point I reminded her that I’m kind of right-wing. “That’s you’re problem,” she said, and then we got back to the friendly talk.
"That's your problem?" …… "That's your problem", was her response to you?
Dude, I'm sorry but WTF are you thinking? You do realize that she has no respect for you, right?
She probably rolls her eyes at everyone when you're not looking, then they all laugh when you leave the room.
How you can sit here and try to justify her recent behavior, simply defies all comprehension.
If you really care for Janeane then you might suggest that she seek psychiatric help and fast.
The problem was exactly that Adolph did NOT paint a pretty good postcard. Had he been granted real talent as a painter we would never had to endure his politics. He'd be another Jip knee Gar off a low who would from time to time come on some painting radio show and make horribly offensive antisemtic remarks but would be tolerated because he painted a great sunset. Half the populace would hate his guts but realize that in the end so long as he painted pretty little postcards he did not matter.
If I had a friend like Janeane Garofalo I would have her checked out for distemper. She is like a rabid DOG! I wouldn't have a friend like that. I wouldn't want anyone to know I knew her.
LOL…… exactly.
My face has ceased to be crimson-color, and I'm breathing normally again. But this tshillue guy and a few others almost got me started all over again. His waffle on "a huge portion of this country thinks people on the right are evil" was a perfect example. Where does this child think they get that from? It doesn't just drop from heaven. And "his friends are liberal" doesn't cut it either. I commented on my liberal friends, and they don't dare say things like Garafolo does anywhere around me. Most know my history well enough not even to suggest it. If his "liberal" friends are talking like Garafolo, he needs to get different friends. I won't tolerate people who talk like David Dukes. Why should he tolerate people who talk like Garafolo? I've never needed friends that badly.
What, you're actually surprised by this sentiment? Get out of the GOP you Janeane-loving RINO!! Who needs ya!?
LadyhawkeSF,
That is it.
You apologize to the guttersnipes right now!
A. I did read your entire article. I even read it twice to make sure I didn't miss the fact that it may have been meant as satire (which, alas, it was not).
B. When a person, "comedienne" or otherwise, refers to me as a "teabagging redneck racist" I will ALWAYS make a "big fuss" out of it. Sorry.
I don't really understand. Can you elaborate? We make a mistake by defending ourselves from false charges?
And as Lincoln said, "You can dress a pig up for a wedding. But it doesn't fool anyone, and it irritates the pig." Garafolo is a pig, under either saying.
I'm sorry.
Of course you know I'm not. But if any of the peacemakers on this site think I am serious, I have this big orange bridge I'll sell them. I can see it from my window while I'm writing.
Did I mention that I don't much care for Garafolo?
I'm sorry.
Of course you know I'm not. But if any of the peacemakers on this site think I am serious, I have this big orange bridge I'll sell them. I can see it from my window while I'm writing.
Did I mention that I don't much care for Garafolo?
Let me ask you a question Shillue.
Have you ever had at least a five minute discussion with her on what you really think politically. Any subject so long as it is a "right wing" view you agree with and she doesn't.
If you have not do you think that if you did she would stil remain freindly with you. I have found that the type of liberal that she is is someone I can remain on speaking terms if I never say what I think. IT does not matter how reasonbable or accomodating I am. If I consider their side or not.
It's my experience that the liberal that yells "racist" in a crowded room cannot stand to listen to another point of view. So if that is the case you have to ask yourself is this really a freind or an acquaintance. Friend derives from the Latin (Friar) I have butchered the word I know but it means "To Trust".
Let me ask you a question Shillue.
Have you ever had at least a five minute discussion with her on what you really think politically. Any subject so long as it is a "right wing" view you agree with and she doesn't.
If you have not do you think that if you did she would stil remain freindly with you. I have found that the type of liberal that she is is someone I can remain on speaking terms if I never say what I think. IT does not matter how reasonbable or accomodating I am. If I consider their side or not.
It's my experience that the liberal that yells "racist" in a crowded room cannot stand to listen to another point of view. So if that is the case you have to ask yourself is this really a freind or an acquaintance. Friend derives from the Latin (Friar) I have butchered the word I know but it means "To Trust".
Hey Tom. I can smell your computer from here.
"How did she climb back up that high, James?"
Well, I could tell you to use your imagination but I don't want you to have nightmares.
Damn dude…you definitely underestimated the fury of the Big Hollywood readers (ask John Ridley…if he ever show his face again). I'm not gonna chap your @$$.Thanks for the post, you seem like a cool guy.
His principled stance will go down in history, and will be the rallying cry of future patriots.
"that's your problem?" Oh please you don't have a problem. That's what you should've said right to her face. Preferably with wide grin.
Nope. Read the whole thing. Just because you don't like our response to you article doesn't mean you should dismiss our comments out of hand. That's kind of the problem we had with Garofolo in the first place– only she called us racist to boot.
Dear Tom
When you say, "i kind of right wing" what does that mean? What are your core beliefs? That statement says everything that is wrong with, and why so many conservatives are unsatisfied with the Republican Party, They are "kind of right wing" President Bush was "kind of conservative" so it turned out badly. One thing you can say about Obama he isn't "kind of left wing", he has core beliefs and will try to goven by them
So let's see where we are, Do you think abortion is a moral wrong? Do you believe the 2nd amendment is about the personal right to bear arms and that it shouild not be infringed. Should our borders be enforced and people who are here illegally sent home? Sould the goverment be bailing out businesses? Should the federal government be smaller? Should marriage be between a man and a woman? I could go on but I think you get my point.
cont.
If you are kind of right wing you are part of the problem . I have seen Ms. G and worked with her and I did not find her to be all that funny, but that is a matter of personal taste. As to the racist comment . Was that stupid and wrong? Did you call her on it to her face? Do you think f the situation was reversed and your had made some over the top comment about progressives and she knew who you were do you think you would have still beeen on the show with her?
Hey now. Don't blame that kind of stupidity on the estrogen. Olberman proves this kind of idiocy isn't just a female thing– as does every reasonable woman on this site.
I don't recall what schmoos are but I'd have to agree one has to wear some pretty large blinders to fully appreciate his point.
For starters I agree she has the right to have her opinion and she should say what she thinks. I also have the right to whole heartedly disagree with her.
Secondly Janeane didn't suddenly bring to light the mantra all conservatives are racists. It has been repeated many times our own Attorney General went as far as to one up that with the whole nation.
Tom's simplistic view of the age old racism debate is another spot where some large blinders are necessary. I know people on the right would embrace a conversation or debate about racism so it can finally be put to rest. We're the ones accused of it regularly from all levels of society.
The true reason the debate has not and will not ever take place is because racism as viewed through eyes of the actual Civil Rights movement is dead. What your left with is a large majority of all races getting a long just fine. A minority of all races that don't like other races will never go away and these are the ones given the most air time as examples.
She might be a nice person to hang out with but given the opportunity I would have to pass because I find her opinions disgusting. The fact that she wears them as a banner of pride only helps me avoid people like her so for that I do give her the smallest amount of credit.
How exactly is she a bigot and who is the ethnic group she is talking about? What I have noticed that these days the bigots themselves are complaiing about political correctness while they call everyone else a racists. You sound like the classic right wing semi literate talk show parrot.
What are you babbling about? Do you have an original thought in your small head or are you just mimicking someone who does?
Well, stupid bullies like you need to be insulted, especially when you threaten violence like the ignorant right wing conformist pig you are!
No I don't. Do tell.
So Garafalao is Hitler, that makes it easier to attack her. If the real Hitler was around, a brainless bag of rotten trash like you would love to get your spiffy uniform and march down the strasse singing the "Horst Wesl Lied"
Garafalao's A Jewish Hitler, accused by some German pig with some sturn and drang screen name. This is irony rich especiallly when self absorbed fools like you don't know what irony is.
No it's not my problem bc just like I got through the first minute of her interview, I only got through the first couple paragraphs of your butt kissing piece. Are you really going to defend her outright calling good people of a diverse crowd redneck racists? Puke on both of you, especially for trying to defend her.
No it's not my problem bc just like I got through the first minute of her interview, I only got through the first couple paragraphs of your butt kissing piece. Are you really going to defend her outright calling good people of a diverse crowd redneck racists? Puke on both of you, especially for trying to defend her.
So when is the point of retraction? When they are just saying this in private? When they go on Olbermann? When they start printing it in textbooks? We've taken the supposed "high road" of no response and the golden rule for 40 years, Bush just did it for eight. Where has that landed us? It's landed us on the outside of leadership and every institution dear to this country.
Want to do some good? Next time your backstage with Garofalo, tell her what a pompous, hate filled, narcissistic wench she is. Tell her next time she gets her broad brush, someone else is going to set her straight.
"A lot of people think conservatism=racism. Mainstream people suggest it all the time, with no fuss."
Which is the damn problem.
All I hear from the usual band of semi literate right wing bullies is how shocked and upset they are. Geez, you little cunts are always tossing crap at everyone else so someone tosses some back and you act like you just got sent to the Gulag, This is why I despise most of you righties, you treat everyone else like trash yet when it flies back you act like you are some sort of vicitm, especially the real bigots who are calling her Hitler, yeah a Jewish pacifist Nazi, you people are pathetic geeks, with your ersatz victimhood.
Next article for SHILLue…"C'mon Peeps, Chris Brown is 'Aight, Y'all"
I'm sure the ladies will take that endorsement to the bank too.
Jayne-Annie is a toerag. No credibility and lots of hate…even worse than the
Conservative stereotypes she constantly spews (HYPOCRITE!). Isn't she like 66 and yet still
sputters and spits like a know-nothing 13 year old Liberal.
You can keep her and I hate who I want, 'aight!
Getting worked up enough to threaten violence is a sign that you are not very balanced or civilized. YOu sound like a typical stupid right wing bully.
Garafolo and Obermann use the term "tea-bagging", a reference to a homosexual sex act, to mock and disparage tax protesters. They call them "tea-baggers" as a sign of disrespect and contempt. Isn't that homophobic?
Dear Tom: You are welcome to Ms. Garofolo. And I would not enjoy her company. I generally do not laugh with people who are busy laughing at me. I'm kinda funny that way.
just reading her name leaves a "blech" in my mouth…
Race-baiting to smear and silence conservatives has worked for years. It got a Marxist elected.
Conservatives have had ENOUGH and we will FIGHT BACK when we are attacked and insulted for standing up for freedom.
Most of those Hollywood Lefties playing with Communism like it's a parlor game don't expect to actually lose their freedom, to have their property confiscated, to have their family members and friends rounded up and beaten, imprisoned, or executed for speaking their mind or later, for just trying to stay alive, but that's what happens in Communist countries. This ideology has brought us a hundred million murdered and counting.
We will not roll our eyes and tolerate this kind of talk from the Left anymore.
Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Can't people on the right EVER complain without another person on the right showing how enlightened they are by defending a lefty? Geeesh…
The only reason why Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin were the subject of attacks 24/7 was because Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin attack 24/7! God you are one dense piece of ugly reactionary trash
Hey if she is going to go on TV and act like an idiot then she deserves to be treated like one.
As for the whole Democrats using the race card as a weapon thing you are right when you say the only defense against it is to stand your ground and call them on it. The race card only works because people are scared of the stigma of being called a racist whether it is true or not. In fact it is a fairly standard left wing tactic when they are having trouble backing up their positions with facts and logic to resort to playing the man and not the ball. By accusing or comparing their opponent to someone or something so hyenas (Hitler, Fascist, Racists, sexist, homophobic, Baby killer, Warmonger, etc ) it is meant to shock their opponent into backing down for fear of being for ever branded as such. Its like a cornered rat lashing out violently in a last ditch attempt to save itself by acting so crazy that it might give the opponent pause long enough to enable the rat to escape.
No, I don't think you are serious, just unbalanced and dishonest
I wish I could agree. I have not seen racial tension so high since the 60's. I lived through and worked in the civil rights movement. So I have a pretty good idea what I'm talking about. Garafalo is stirring up racial hatred among her age group (she was born the year I was in in Oxford, Mississippi). She is pitting old enemies against each other (my age group). But most of all, she knows that if racism has really reached the point that you posit and I wish for, the left loses one of its major constitutencies–radical racial victims groups. So she, and her fellow race-baiters are stirring the pot, viciously and constantly. They need to convince an entire younger generation that everybody who wasn't for Obama is a racist. They need to convince black people that we are out to get them. They need to convince white people that blacks will hate them forever. Maybe the races are getting along fine where you are, but I invite comment from every person reading this site who lives in a major city to tell me (and you) that the races are getting along just fine.
We were getting there. We almost made it. And we elected a man who is half black. That's not good enough for Garafalo and the race-baiters. They must now use race to condemn those who didn't vote for Obama. They must make him a pure black man because half-black doesn't serve the cause. She couldn't care less if Obama is black, and she's no crusading civil rights activist. She's a leftist. She simply knows that Obama is in sync with the views of the left and far left, and that cause needs to be served by any means necessary. Stirring up racial tension is one of those means.
Until some genuine liberals of influence tell her to shut up, things are going to get worse. And if she and her gang of filthmeisters continue on their course, and Obama loses the election in four years, you will see those good racial relations you are talking about go up in flames in every major city in the country, literally. Garafolos's racial grandstanding is going to cost us all dearly.
I don't need to demonze JG to dismiss her. She simply has not credible opinion. When she starts making sense and respecting humans who disagree with her, we shall start listening.
Ok Tom has had the crap beat out of him. Now it is time to give him some hugs and tell him we love him.
Tom, You seem like a really nice guy. You made several attempts to stick up for yourself, and that was brave. Mr. Ridley Scott posted exactly once. Obviously you have some testicular fortitude. But man we want you to gut up. Remember the saying, either hot or cold but tepid i will spit you out?
You strike us as tepid. I understand the turn the other cheek and the good cop approach. But the Mob is angry. and it seems a little late for appeals to our compassionate side.
Thank you for being yourself, but we are past that.
Now that said, what are we going to do about it? I have never watched 24. and i dont watch MSNBC. so giving these up is pointless. I have a copy of Mystery Men, but destroying a copy i already paid for is also pointless.
So apart fro sending a harshly worded letter what can i do? Ideas?
Fair enough, except that I seriously doubt that Keith Olbermann is going to give you or I a chance to respond. That is the problem. These morons can go on and have free time to say any nonsense they want, even call us racists, and we have no ability to fight back. The only way we fight back is on the internet. Garofalo took her racist ideology on the TV airwaves…we take our response on the blogosphere.
Buckwheat…good point…also did said right winger try to engage ms. garafalo in anyway about her distorted views concerning half of the American population. Also, how do you separate such vitriol from the person? I know, Hitler was a good guy and he had a pet. Said rightwinger should at least challange her…he seems to be just like our Congressmen.
"Speaking tactfully is not something we should expect …from entertainers"
So why demand it of me? Why should I treat her differently than she treats me when she makes blanket statements about conservatoives, republicans, NRA members….etc.? Where do you get off demanding special treatment for her just because she supposedly an entertainer? Entertainers are in a special class that can't be expecetd to abide by the norms of civil behavior?
"Don’t write them off as haters–they are starting a valuable discussion."
No – they are not starting a discussion they are screaming invective. It takes to two to have a discussion. When did Garafolo and her ilk ever listen to anyone who disagrees with them? If anyone objects to them they just scream loader to drown out any other voices.
Tom
If the roles were reversed, do you think she would come to your defense? Absolutely not!!!! Next time you see her asked her about the money she donates (you know from the evil Fox channel) to the American Indian College Fund. I know how she loves people of color.
Wow, what a concept, an entertainer vouching for an entertainer, no matter how crude or low she is.
Hypocrite can also be added to her faults…she spewed every kind of insult against Bush…works both ways Ms. G…also she gets paycheck from big Satan Fox….please hand it over now Ms. G..you are too pure to accept this dirty filthy cash.
And if you weren't a sniveling coward, hiding behind a screen name, you would address everything I have said on this site today after registering and signing in with your history and background. Mine includes my history in the civil rights movement, and my long involvement in the radical left. I may be a bully, but you are full of bulls–t. What kind of wuss are you anyway? Peeing your pants because I made an abstract threat on a website to punch a left-wing slag? You are a pitiful joke. I'll match my IQ, education and record of good behavior against a punk like yours any day in the week. Now go away, little girl. When you've gone through what I've gone through to advance civil rights, you can come back and talk with me–twenty years from now. And you can explain to me why that pig Garafolo has the idea that she's knows enough about people like me to call us racists.
Wow, I though antifascist was an idiot.
So based on your simplicity am I to assume you're name is Jake and you have antlers growing out of your head (see how silly this is).
"Zündfolge" by the way is German for "Firing Order" … all it means is that at one time I was a Porsche/Mercedes/BMW mechanic. But I guess in libtard world everything German is some form of Nazism.
Anyway think you for demonstrating typical liberal small minded ad hominem "debate" technique.
Furthermore, Garafalo is of Irish/Italian extraction … more than likely she's a lapsed Catholic, not Jewish (not sure why you thought that other than every depressed, sardonic, dark haired liberal girl must be Jewish?) You just can't open your mouth (metaphorically of course) without racial stereotyping flying out can you?
Sure, Tom – you're right wing the way that Garofolo is a centrist Why don't you go on to Youtube and do a "Leave Britney alone" sob session while you're about it. I also didn't realise BIG HOLLYWOOD was that desperate for content.
I'm at a disadvantage for this thread because my parents raised me to understand "if you can't say something nice, it is better to say nothing at all".
So regarding Janeane Garafalo,
(crickets)
For Janeane, the Dixie Chicks, Sean Penn and other "Entertainers" that want to bolster their careers by spitting on Uncle Sam, the Flag, and other icons of Americana, payback may be a lot more expensive than you first thought. I know they will never see a dime of my money.
[...] So don’t get upset when someone says it out loud. You should be glad someone finally said it-now you can answer the charge. You don’t want to have to answer the charge? Why not? It’s out there.” [...]
The first thing I thought after reading this article was that video that was all over the net, with that very mixed up hysterical boy screaming and crying for everyone to leave Brittany Spears alone. Am I wrong?
For the love of God, please dont. I'll need mind bleach.
Just beacuse you live in the basement, doesn't mean your parents don't expect you to get your homework before the 11 o'clock news. Shut off the computer and open your 3 ring binder. Now off you go.
Lawhawk & AP—My new way to unwind after a crazy day is to look for your posts….thank you gentlemen!
So LawhawkSF is your real name, I'm sorry for saying you sound like a typical stupid right wing bully, you just proved that you are. If you get worked up over some dumbass comment some comedian made that does describe a lot of the tea baggers, not every last one of them, then you are seriously unbalanced. Get a life!
Schmucks like you that used to be left wing fascist morons have no trouble becoming right wing fascist morons, cause the fascist moron part never changes!
Wow, everyone is so mean to Janeane… after all, she's just a grisly little troll woman…. give her some slack… or rope… just enough rope….
As if anyone here would lay on her.
Race is an industry in this country smut merchants like Garafolo thrive on divide and conquer. We as American must overcome words, you know sticks and stones. Being the eternal optimist it’s a good thing that the left is resorting to their worn out tactics it means were’re getting to them.
I should also add that despite taking a few solid jabs at the left, I normally try to discuss the articles on this site rationally and intellectually. Anybody can have a bad day. But occasionally, the subject matter is so far out and so uncivilized that it requires something more than reasoned discussion. Garafolo is one of those topics. By the way, you neglected to tell me that I act like "a typical white person." You're not as clever as Jejune Garafalo. She wouldn't have missed that one.
I have a very full life, and sufficient experience to recognize a troll when I see one. My screen name is sufficiently close to my real name and experience to get the point across without opening me up to an avalanche of personal mail from jerks like you. And I always use the same screen name. You appeared out of nowhere with a name nobody here recognizes. Have you posted here before, and if so, under what screen name? Can we view your previous opinions? Do we have any idea what your bona fides are?
Did you get your psychology degree from a local junior college so that you can diagnose my mental state? Keep posting, I have no intention of responding to any more of your nonsense. Let us know when you decide to sign up and post regularly instead of hit and run personal attacks.
For the Lefties who rode here on the short bus, here's the definition of a bigot:
intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views
This chick defines herself as a bigot every time she shoots off her mouth. The reason she's doing it now is to kiss up to her leftwing pals for selling out by taking a bit part on "24" with all those evil rightwingers.
Dude? When she said "that's your problem," she was cutting your balls off.
Why didn't you notice?
I'm sure we both appreciate that. I've been busy elsewhere on this site dealing with a troll named jakealope. It's either an attempt at humor, or a misspellng of Jackanapes.
Hey, I liked her at one time, too. Then she opened her mouth and spoke. The only possible defense for her kind of garbage is mental illness.
"Quick! I better change the subject before she calls me a racist in front of everyone!"
I just hope they write the bitch out of 24 so I can watch it next season.
Don't think of it like "throw Shillue under a bus." Think of it as "that's your problem."
I think you're right. A lot of people are, indeed, as stupid and hateful and bigoted as your friend Janeane Garafalo.
But why does that require us not to get mad about it? It's no less maddening that a lot of stupid people believe this rather than simply one particular stupid, unwashed (yet washed out) "comedienne."
[...] The thought process behind those statements is here. [...]
The likely answer to most of your questions? "Kind of."
Turning the other cheek with liberals will not work. They’re counting on our continued passivity, not any more. You have an opinion that’s cool, but it’s the typical conservative response let’s not lower ourselves and so on. This is not a game our generation could be witness to the demise of the greatest country the world has ever known, because were’re scared of words. You don’t hug a bully you pop him in his nose. These are the rules as chosen by the left we either engage, or learn to goosestep.
Stop sucking up to an actress on 24. She's an admitted Adderall addict who gives sociological/neurological dissertations on racism. I know her too. We started our careers in Houston Texas in the '80's. She' s utterly serious about her politics in a way you don't have the guts to be. "I'm kinda right-wing"? Is that like being kinda hetero? Suck up.
As someone who also writes funny bits and would chomp at the kinds of opportunity Garafalo has had, she has every right to say whatever she wants in an attempt at humor. Likewise people may find her funny. Her peers may defend her. But as someone who used to like her act and like many comics on the left she has put politics first humor second.
Look at the great Johnny Carson. He had a career that spanned decades. Few people realize his politics were liberal to the point that even Garafalo might blanch. Yet this was never obvious because Carson put the humor first and his politics second. Lessons comics like Garafalo should learn.
Don't Feed The Trolls, but if your going to that's the way to do it!
A slice of humble pie with a glass of truth. One point Zundfolge well stated.
Really? A lot of people think Conservatism automatically equals racism? Where? In L.A.? I live in Northern California, which still tends to be fairly Liberal, and I never hear that sentiment. And if I did, you better believe there would be a fuss. I'd also like to know what tenants of Conservatism lend themselves to a racist definition. Pro-life? That seems to defend all races. Pro-gun? Ditto. Less government? Well, if you define government as Obama– then call me a racist since I think he's doing a terrible job. Or maybe it's the Conservative stance against illegal immigration… Is that where we out ourselves as racists? Is that where Janeane is going? Because frankly, I can't draw a line from a peaceful demonstration in protest of bigger government [and the inevitable tax hike that goes with it] to racism "straight up."
Please. Jeanne Garafolo's angry goth-chick routine is a desperate attempt to have some sliver of fame. She bats her eyes at you and giggles and you're suddenly penning "Garafolo's misunderstood" essays. Embarassing.
Tom Shillue writes "A lot of people agree with Janeane Garofalo. Even people who are right of center…."
I'm sorry but I'm going to need evidence of that. Mr. Shillue can you please provide some hard evidence that "A LOT" of people agree with her.
No I just hope they kill her character off in a particulary brutal and ironic fashion.
Tom, kudos to you for suffering through the righteous anger you've stirred up.
I have to think, however, you've fallen into a kind of Rodney King "can't we all just get along" syndrome.
A recap: Rodney King was on parole for robbery. He got drunk with his buddies watching TV. He chose to drive with a blood alcohol level more than double the limit. He was caught speeding at around 100 mph, officers gave chase, he didn't pull over. His car is finally cornered in a residential neighborhood. He physically resists arrest throwing two officers off his back, is tased then gets up, 3 times. Still fighting the effects of the taser, he is finally subdued by overwhelming force.
Janeane Garofalo rips regular conservatives and Republicans minding their own business up one side and down the other every chance she gets. She is often criticized on this site.
Rodney King had supporters rally claiming he was a victim–and misunderstood. The cops, doing their job, were the oppressors, the bad guys, because they used overwhelming force on someone who was out of control. Rodney sues the LAPD for brutality, wins 3.8 million and says "can't we all just get along". This is his warm, fuzzy side.
He is then arrested trying to run over a vice officer, gets drunk and crashes into a block wall then goes to rehab, is arrested again for hitting his wife with his car, is involved with a hit and run, arrested again for speeding and running a red because he's DUI where he fails to yield to police slamming his SUV into a house.
You come along and say there is a warm, fuzzy side to Janeane and we'd like her if we'd only give her a chance.
JG goes on a TV news program and insists anyone disagreeing with Obama is a racist. The people she insults think she is out of control. She is met with crushing force on this web site.
Comparing her with Rodney King, do you honestly think she is going to change and view the right any differently because you tell us she has a warm, fuzzy side? Rodney was a criminal before he made national news and continued being a criminal after. If he continues to break the law, should society just pat him on the head and say "there, there" and let him go? Many of his supporters "secretly" think so. JG's opinion of the Right was long known in her comedy act. When she spews vile against many of her fellow Americans on a news program, should those she labels as stupid, "teabagging" racists just roll over, show our tummy and ask "can't we all just get along?
Your point is that she openly stands for what people on her side secretly think of us on the right, and that we should have any argument out in the open. We have long known what the left not so secretly thinks of us and we come here because Big Hollywood IS the argument… out in the open.
I'll bet you Janeane is far less charitable to you. People on the extreme left take politics too far. They call everyone on the right a "hater" (it's their favorite word); they can be as nasty as they want to you because, you're not just someone who disagrees with them; you're a bad person and therefore deserving of no respect.
I'm pretty sure they can both be problems.
Kudos Sir. That was masterful handling of that bottom feeder.
Personally, I'm tired of being told to reach for the ankles every time a leftist decides to spout hateful stuff about conservatives. We've taken this sort of thing lying down for too long and look at where that got us.
What Ms. Garofalo did was indecent. It doesn't matter if it's a put-on or not and it doesn't matter if it's what many leftists privately think. Adolf Hitler was pretty upfront on what he thought of Jews and Gypsies too.
I also read the entire piece. I think your assertion is that if we only saw a different side of her we may appreciate what she is trying to do by opening up a dialogue.
I don't think she was trying to open up a dialogue. She was trying to shut one down, by insulting the people who demonstrated at the Tea Parties.
Also, please provide some hard evidence to your statement that "A LOT" of people agree with her on the Right of Center.
I find that hard to believe without some demonstrable proof. Thanks.
I have liberal friends too. They're the authentic Bush-hating kind. But there comes a point where I draw a line and dismiss someone as a bigoted zealot.
I think that referring to someone as racist because they protest unprecedented government spending would justify a line being drawn.
"Give me friendly talk, or give me death!"
Sorry Charlie (I mean Tom),
Your 0 for 225 so far. This "thing" called Janeane Garofalo is as funny as a case of late-stage gonorrhea and as sharp as a bowling ball. She's also a hate-spewing racist that really should hang her head in shame (but we know that will never happen). She's should be shunned like a leper, and it looks like patriotic Americans are doing just that.
You loose…
This is one miserable woman, stuck in Hollywood, envious of every woman there. It's really a shame. She's not unattractive or stupid, though she does try to present herself as both. Still she gets no pass from me. She's hidious on the inside.
"He was saying that a large portion of our country is racist. "
I guess that is why McCain won the election so handily… Darn racists.
I was beginning to think that nobody at all got my post. But I look over at Hot Air, and Allahpundit has quoted the meat of my post, showing me that someone understands what I am trying to say. This is not about JG–it's about US. What people like us choose to get outraged about.
Read the excerpt at "quote of the day" and tell me if it clears it up for you.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/20/quote-of-th...
Tom, I know you're trying to be conciliatory….but you have picked the WRONG person to be conciliatory to. Garofolo is the junkyard dog of liberal comedians. She lacks the hysterical unapologetic charm of a Denis Leary or Lewis Black, or the sardonic cuteness of Sarah Silverman or Christopher Titus. She rants and raves with no unifying ray of light to make us ALL laugh. Her humor is ignorant angry projection based on ideology. She would stab you in the back and leave you hanging. . .you know this in your gut. And you defend her?
Come on. You're a better comedian than to waste your good will on her. She's the living embodiment of the self-centered, misogynistic (her Palin hate ring a bell?), entitled and faux sensitive jackhole discussed in your own "I'm An Artist" routine.
Now find your balls.
*MissQuinn*
[...] Everybody Lay off Janeane! I like her. And yes, she is funny. If you’ve only seen her on political talk shows, you’re going to have to take my word for it. [...]
Sorry Tom, AIR BALL … three pointer to win falls short
Tom, I can only assume that you were recently transported from a mission in deep space and rushed immediately to the show you did with Janeane in NYC. Very nice that you two hit it off so well … especially the "small talk." The problem with your uninformed analysis of Ms. Garofalo is that it doesn't account for the gross mischaracterization of what has turned out to be hundreds of thousands of Americans who honestly disagree with their government. She didn't merely call out a "few" right wing fringe elements and say she disagreed with them … she threw an entire political party into her diatribe and grouped ALL of the Conservative movement into what she called the "white power movement."
Oh yeah … there's more:
http://novus2.com/wordpress/?p=4002
Im still waiting for the "we're doomed" crapola to show up!
Doncha all remember before the last election she proclaimed that if GWB got re-elected we were doomed.
Did I miss it when they sky fell???
My problem is that she's so hypocritical about it. When the shoe is in the other foot she is all for the right of a citizen of expressing an opinion – the right to dissent UNLESS it is an opinion that she does not agree with – then you are stupid, a moron, a racist, a redneck, etc. etc. etc. If she can dish it, then she can take it. I can't stand hypocrites. I really can't. Especially when they pretend to be elitist, snobbish supposedly smarter than those around her. The only thing she has shown is how stupid and racist she really is. There's nothing to defend my friend. She is what she is…an ugly, little person.
A friend and I were discussing our favorite actors and the general state of Hollywood. He made a comment about Tom Cruise not being so crazy for jumping on the couch but definitely using Scientology to hide his homosexuality like John Travolta. He said Hollywood made them gay.
I said they both started their careers pretty young, and it was a possibility because of the industry's cannibalistic nature. They were good-looking outsiders. Drew Barrymore is like Hollywood royalty, and they had her blanking blank for drugs at 10 years old. It is a disgusting place. There is a dearth of culture on the West Coast period.
I don't care what this chain-smoking has-been says about race relations in this country or the GOP. I felt we had bigger issues to discuss during the election, and I'm disappointed to those Republicans who allowed themselves to be bullied into staying home or seduced by the empty suit.
Oh and Duhneen thebuffalo fits right in on Clowntown wif Keef dolderbum, between the two of them I believe thier IQ's average out to1
Wow. Here I was, thinking that this blog would be really cool. I like Breitbart. Who the hell are you, though? Listen, I know you want to marry Miss Piggy, but Meghan McCain is just not that into you. I hear that the Phelps family is looking for a publicist, are you available? There's nothing worse than being smeared on TV and having someone that is 'supposedly' on the same team stand idly by and tell you that "you were looking for it"!
Wow. Here I was, thinking that this blog would be really cool. I like Breitbart. Who the hell are you, though? Listen, I know you want to marry Miss Piggy, but Meghan McCain is just not that into you. I hear that the Phelps family is looking for a publicist, are you available? There's nothing worse than being smeared on TV and having someone that is 'supposedly' on the same team stand idly by and tell you that "you were looking for it"!
Nope AP is a annoying moderate. The fact that HA has him shows how welcoming HA is.
Go back to defending your bridge troll. You just got served by lots of REAL conservatives.
You can keep your garbage Garafalo.
If you were defending here because she's mentally deranged (which is clearly the case), I'd perhaps think you had a point.
As it is, I'm siding with Charles Krauthammer on this. She's beneath contempt.
At least he had the intelligence to admit there are "left-wing fascist morons." Maybe they've finally been forced to admit that's not an oxymoron, which would be a big victory. For every dark cloud there's a silver lining, I guess.
I love this.
B-list celebrity goes, admittedly, a bit over the top goofing on her political opponents on TV.
Right-wing blogosphere, which spends roughly half it's time complaining about how "liberal" celebrities get too much coverage, proceed to give her approaching a WEEK'S worth of free coverage. As part of their drive to prove her wrong about characterizing them as hateful, they lob scads of vile invective in her direction – including threats of violence and personal attacks.
Nominally conservative comedian pleads with his compatriots to MAYBE chill the hell out and NOT make complete fools of themselves about this.
Blogosphere to comedian: "TRAITOR!!!!!!"
Hey Tom, you're a child molester. You don't actually believe what you claim to believe, you just want to have sex with children.
Now don't get offended by my disgusting and unfounded allegation, or frustrated with my refusal to engage with the substance of your argument, I'm a nice guy in person. Although not quite as charming, I'm sure, as some Hollywood D-list scumbag you chatted with in a greenroom once.
Stop defending this bigot and hold her accountable for the vicious and irrational way she defamed thousands of her fellow citizens. Or maybe you don't think calling somebody an ignorant racist "teabagging redneck" is any kind of insult? That's just 'blunt" talk is it?
Tom,
So the “meat” of your post is that every single person on the left is as vile, despicable, racist, depraved, and insulting as this abomination Garofalo; they just don’t vocalize it to our faces? Hell, now you just completely insulted EVERYONE one the left, not just the lunatics.
Now you make me sick to my stomach…
It's "Wessel," not "Wesl." If you're going to rewrite history and throw around the German to smear conservatives, at least have the intelligence to get the language right, you twit.
I don't care if you think she is Mother stinking Teresa……
She needs to go live in an Islamic country under Sharia law and see how
long she could run her mouth………… she is a political racist and bigot
snore….. snore….. snore….
Lawhawk, does this little idiot remind you of anyone? Sounds to me like little Auntie Fascist is hiding behind fake names now because she's afraid to answer the mighty pie question.
Seriously, this idiot is the same troll.
You're welcome! It's always good to hear that people like what we post.
"Even people who are right of center- which is why so many mainstream Republicans politicians want nothing to do with those tea party folks–they’d rather keep them at arms length."
Those tea party folks? This is your tell.. you share her opinion. You think that we are a bunch of screwed up haters. We could tell you a million times that these were about protesting BOTH parties, but you won't buy it. Yes, there were people there slamming Obama and slamming Democrats. But they were in the minority. The vast majority of these protesters are mad at government in general. Yet the tattooed bimbo spews hatred as fact. SHE is the one that needs to do some research. If you want to focus just on Obama, (since this is all the left thinks this was about) there are PLENTY of reasons to dislike Obama, but his race is NOT one of them. Besides, he's also half white. Cut the crap about him being black. He's AMERICAN, like Tiger Woods, Derek Jeter, Mariah Carey, etc. Calling him black is like calling a rum and coke just a coke.
This is for Buckwheat, everyone else may want to turn their eyes away.
Danson made the comment that having sex with Whoopie was . . . cough, cough, like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.
That's kind of hard to forget.
You're assuming the fuss is primarily THAT she said it rather than what it was she said. Either that, or that we ignore this evil assumption when it's made via less overt means. Make your case.
Unbalanced is having to troll a website insulting people because you can't get it up any other way and because you obviously don't have the nerve to speak your mind in front of people face to face. P A T H E T I C.
You, son, are a joke. And worst of all, this is probably the high point of your life. It's all down hill for you from here kiddo.
There does seem to be a lot of self-delusion going on in his column, and a real sense of needing to be liked more than wanting to be respected.
Jeanane is a self-proclaimed "activist", which, according to BSNBC, is completely credible. She is, as you describe her, "unfiltered" in her thinking. You know who else is "unfiltered" in their thinking (and is also a hideous tranny mess)? Ann Coulter. I can't stand either of them, and it's because they make their money by being radically attached to whatever biased agenda they're trying to advance, citing their beliefs as truths. Regardless, they are both outspoken members of whatever party they adhere to.
Yet, through all this, while Jeanane is heralded as some sort of revolutionary in this article, Ann Coulter receives far more scrutiny for her opinions. I'm not defending either of those losers, but merely stating that the liberal media have a chronic illness of throwing stones in glass houses, as I attempted to eximplify.
…so Garafolo REALLY believes that liberal media and news doesn't exist? She needs a new prescription or something.
I'm glad I could make my small contribution to the equality of fascist morons. I just never thought it was possible to be both kinds.
It is looking might suspicious. But maybe he can make Jakealope pie.
That makes him a potential future candidate for President, but on the Democratic ticket. He'll have to change his purported "wing, " though.
Somebody give her back her "Precious" allready…
Maybe a few "get" your post, but I'm not sensing the love in their comments section either.
I wasn't talking to you, troll.
Uh-already that is…
OK, I still don't get it … "what people like us choose to get outraged about" … why shouldn't we be outraged at being falsely accused of racism, given that that's one of the worst things one can be accused of in the current political environment, and given that the accusation was specifically leveled at people participating in a peaceful, positive demonstration? Sorry if I'm being dense, but I still don't think I see the point of your post at all.
No way, Jose! If she can lay into us, we can lay into her. Besides, you REALLY expect to have any kind of reasonable debate with people who think we're racist teabagging rednecks no matter what we do? Ya! As if. Sorry. Every time Garofalo, Bernhart and other Leftie wack job morons open their filthy traps as they have, they're gonna get stuffed! I save my reasonable debate for the sane.
It's the same words, the same sentence style, the same insults. This troll also jumps columns, which normal trolls don't — but Auntie does. I think we have a match.
I think we're going to have to inquire about this…
His waffle on "a huge portion of this country thinks people on the right are evil" was a perfect example. Where does this child think they get that from?
The leftists constantly proclaiming it… and not enough people calling them on that lie. A lie unchallenged gets seen as the truth.
F— GAROFALO!!!! She is a brainless twit. No we should not layoff morons like this who continue to spew this hate. Anyone who says "layoff" like Tom can go F— themselves!!
Just for the record, Buckwheat Picard as a nym is greater genius as a creation than anything that ever came out of Janeane ThrowUpBuffalo's mouth.
Worst. Article. Ever.
Unless I've missed it on the thread, I don't know what puts you in the Conservative category. You say "US" as if you're with us, but your post spends most of it's time trying to explain why Liberals think poorly of US. Fact is, I don't really care. Seriously. I think the biggest mistakes Conservatives have made is in trying to make Libs like US. It was George Bush's big mistake IMO. Conservatives need to stand up for what they believe in unapologetically. We need to stand by staunch Conservatives like Sarah Palin and not let the Garofolo's of the world make us feel as if we need to soften our positions just to get along. Garofolo can kiss my a**. I have no interest in placating a nut like her or anyone else who subscribes to her thinking.
The "right-wing talking parrots" repetition was similarly suspicious.
Hey Benjamin, we're both we're both stupid bullies and ignorant right-wing conformist pigs. But I'm also a right-wing talking parrot, so I guess I'm one up on you. Dom_Colangelo described the hysterical boy having a breakdown over poor Birttany Spears. I think it's Jakealoper. Now quit picking on people, you big bad bully.
You're right. She's not Hitler. She's more like Lenin and Stalin.
You're right. She's not Hitler. She's more like Lenin and Stalin.
And this is like the totalitarian "big lie." Repeat a lie often enough, loudly enough, and people will come to believe it, even though it's completely untrue. It's easy to say someone is a racist, and it's easy to prove someone is a racist. But how does the guy who is not a racist prove that he isn't? The trolls and Garafolo know that. So they keep repeating the "big lie."
A gentleman doesn't throw and tell. But Danson dated Goldberg, so I guess that disqualifies him anyway.
A gentleman doesn't throw and tell. But Danson dated Goldberg, so I guess that disqualifies him anyway.
Mr. Shillue, I read the quote on Hot Air. That's what lead me to your piece in the 1st place. I would hardly call the quote the meat of your post.
Some things are true because they are demonstrably true. Other things are believed because people want them to be true. You want JG's ideology to be about honest and open debate because you like her, but in truth her words are divisive, mean and absolutely without any merit.
That's what I find objectionable about your argument. It's that you think Janeane's statements against the tea party demonstrators are actually helping them solidify around a "cause". Because now the racism is all out "in the open". As if we should somehow be grateful that we have become "educated, enlightened and freed from out ignorance" about how the Left views Conservatives. Gee what we would do without her?
He is indeed. He's also a doormat for taking the things Garafalo has said to him lying down. The lefty scumbags count on doormats. Except for cleaning the crap off their shoes, of course. Nice just doesn't cut it when dealing with filth like Garafalo. It is not only foolish but dangerous to give leftist race-baiters like Garafolo the benefit of the doubt, as if there could be any doubt about her.
[...] And I am not alone: (emphasis mine) Here’s my point: I sense a little misplaced anger over her comments about the tea parties. It strikes me as a Captain Renault-like expression of shock. In order to take great offense at what she said we have to ignore the fact that the very same thing is said, in more subtle ways, every day. The left never stops accusing the right of racism. [...]
"Starting a valuable discussion"? Garafolo is a non-starter. Everyone knows where she is coming from and it's a place decent folk avoid.
In sports, the saying was "nice guys finish last." For the left and politics, "nice guys end up ruined." It's the classic feed the beast in hopes she will eat you last. It is a shame that an obviously nice guy has no clue what's coming for him. Nice doggy, but it's time for us to take you to the pound.
As you said, a discussion requires at least two sides. When one side is spouting vile insults, and the other side is sitting docilely and taking it, that's called a diatribe. And the recipient is called a wuss.
Apparently, this guy is perfectly willing to be treated like dirt by Garafolo. Then he came here thinking we would somehow agree with him? I think he may simply be a glutton for punishment. We are a great deal more civil than the Daily Kos and the HuffPo, but even we have our limits. Garafolo pushes normal people way beyond those limits of civility.
Well, several years ago, Rush Limbaugh defended his inaccuracies and many times he has misquoted and misrepresented people in the news by saying "I'm a commedian!" … therefore, he's not required to be factual, he's paid for his opinion and his entertainment value. I'd say he's exactly the counterpart of Janeane Garafolo.
Well, several years ago, Rush Limbaugh defended his inaccuracies and many times he has misquoted and misrepresented people in the news by saying "I'm a commedian!" … therefore, he's not required to be factual, he's paid for his opinion and his entertainment value. I'd say he's exactly the counterpart of Janeane Garafolo.
Or being a little pregnant?
Only in my place of exile, San Francisco, would anybody "right of center" agree with anything that toad says.
I watched a replay of this Janeanne's comments on TV the other night and my first reaction was to wish I could stand up high enough to piss all over this witch. The problem was that I didn't want to soil my TV in the living room. It's prople like this that gives the human species such a bad name. She and her liberal comrads are just following Herr Gobels admonition that if you tell a lie enough times eventually the peoples will began to think it is the truth because they heard it so much. Herr Gobels was Hitlers propagander minister during the 1940's. Am I a Nazi? No, but I did choose to use the best example of such behavior of a bad example that I knew about. Am I raciest? No, but the liberals will use that word as being the best they can produce, being not capable of doing any better. Janeanne Garafalo is no better than several other of the radio and TV announcers who spew out obnoxious and vulger language while attacking anything to the right of 10 o'clock. Bah Humbug to the whole mess of these far left liberal, socialist and pinko know it alls!!!!!
Sorry, Tom, but if the angry dumpy little troll (Janeane) can't handle the heat of the push-back, then maybe she should get out of the bitchen.
Er, I mean…out of the kitchen.
She's pulling the same crap those other angry dumpy little trolls (Jon Stewart & Bill Maher) play when they get called out—-"Heyyy, why's everyone so upset at what I said ?—after all, I'm just a comedian !"
Remember how people reacted when Kramer said what he said to some hecklers a couple years ago ?
As I recall, these same defenders of Garofalo weren't giving Kramer too much support, then.
The "I'm just a comedian !" defense didn't go over too well for him—and he was actually performing in a comedy club at the time.
What Janeane the Troll said wasn't even for comic relief—she was on a news commentary show to comment on politics. She meant it to be taken seriously—not as a "joke."
But we understand you have cordial business relationships to diplomatically maintain within the public sphere of the industry, so we don't fault you for publishing this post.
Are you seriously going to sit here and defend her after she's called these Tea Party protesters…who were doing NOTHING wrong…NOTHING violent…NOTHING even remotely racist…"racist rednecks". Even more she went on to prove how incredibly racist SHE IS by saying that black people and women have Stockholm Syndrome. If you want people to stop talking about racism, then maybe you should tell her good friend Garofalo to stop being one herself and to stop accusing people she doesn't agree with of being one.
Wow. I'm…a little sad…for you. Me? I would've punched her in her rotten jaw, not palled around and had a good laugh. Seriously, grow a spine and stand up for your principals. At the end of the day, that's all you have.
I don't care if they understand you at National Review, The American Spectator, The Weekly Standard, Commentary, and Reason, let alone Allahpundit or Hot Air. Or the Holy See, for that matter. We don't express our opinions based on what others think. You are a nice guy, but you are wrong, wrong, wrong about Garafalo. If I think Garafolo is a vicious, mindless, race-baiting skank, I will say so if nobody agrees with me. Likewise, the best I can say about a supposed "right-winger" who apologizes for her is that he is a deluded fellow-traveler. There is nothing unclear in what you said, and with a little luck and the good Lord willing, there was nothing unclear in what I have said. Hot Air is not the basis of my opinions, nor do I look to Hot Air for advice and counsel. I've been patronized by considerably better than you or Hot Air.
But the question remains…where's our damn pie?
Everybody layoff Jeneane?
No, I won't. Perhaps because you're a comedian, you place some high value on being one; not me.
So, she makes people laugh at times. Big deal. She also spews hate and idiocy to a large audience. I'm suppose to over-look that because she 's a comedian? Get real. Hamas and al Qaeda do good works too so let's all give them a hip hip hooray.
Garofalo is a hate-filled, deranged idiot. No amount of humor can compensate for that. I happen to hold intelligence and common human decency a whole lot higher than being a comedian.
PS–I also find your 'she's not a politician' excuse bizarre. Neither are most KKK members.
I don't have time to read the post. So, I can only respond to the title:
No!
Nice try, but no cigar. She didn't make her comments as a columnist in an opionion piece, she didn't make her comments as a comedian in a skit, she made them in a (supposedly) serious programme. She meant it', and now gets skewered – rightly so – for using her airtime for idiotic claims.
And for being a hypocrite on dissent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxP9ZHz4FQs
Sorry but this story is as smelly as NoQuarter's Larry Johnson 'epiphany' during the election that all the muck and wrongdoing surrounding BOzo wasn't relevant all of a sudden 'because his daughters love him and so Obama must be a good man'.
Obama Bought The Presidency
I gave up. It's up to you and Andrew now.
Tom, you got suckered in dummy.
Jakealoper needs to go somehwere and Jake off. I'm getting pretty close to believing your guess is right.
I find it interesting that you take the time to issue a defense of Janeane to Conservatives, but you apparently offered no defense of the thousands of us Tea Party attendees to Janeane. Reminding her that you're "kind of right wing" doesn't quite cut it. I still think she's an idiot, regardless of how swell she might seem to you.
Not only do I agree, She is scum. I question her "personal issues" that cause her to harbor so much hate and spew so much venom towards tax, protesters?!? In case she doesn't get "it" the taxes being protested are what we all will be stuck paying back.
Do all Jenneanne types really believe Fed money falls from the sky.
I mean what is so hard to understand?
I work . The government takes some ( soon most) of my EARNED money before I get to touch it and then issues freebies and fun money for all this Saviors" programs.
So it's not free falling money it is money I earn and labor for.. taken from me for thee.
Why would anyone protest that?
There is a hell of allot of Bigotry going around allot of is in the community which supports teh Reverand Wright types. I do not need a Women with personal hate issues and so closed mind to point it out to me. People who are racists are no different thn her filled with hate for something or someone due to THEIR OWN short commings..
Calling people racist is her simple way of attempting to quiet them.. Sorry but that doesn't work anymore..
I owe no apologies to anyone for anything and the same with 99.9% of the rest os us PROTESTERS.
When you have nothing sensible to say or add to a conversation.. you resort to name calling. That's Talent?
For a post coming from a comedian this is 100% unfunny and very short sighted. Boo! Hiss!
The woman is trying to shut down opposition.
You say everybody lay off this QUACK, and that is not going to happen. She opened the door herself when she opened her dam mouth about something she did not know anything about, and then had the gall to call every day Americans nasty names. Well it is time that the demo-crap party sees how it feels. It was okay for everybody out in Hollywierd to treat the former President-BUSH of all kinds of things, but let it be there precious savior Barry O', and all hell breaks loose. What a brood of hypocrites. You people out in Hollywierd are the lamest things to ever come down the road in a long time. Get a life, and yes it is still the same as you did to President Bush it is called disagreeing with your savior, and making "OUR" voices be heard. Not unlike you, and your ilk out there. Oh yea we can see what it is like when you do not know what you are talking about, and you are called an activist, and when it comes to every day citizens speaking there minds, and telling the truth about hot political issues that affect them, and there children, and there children s children, well then you are called a racist, or something even worst. No I will not leave her alone. She is so deserving all the ridicule she gets from her stupid comments and I hope, and Pray that they do not stop. I say for all Americans that are fed-up with these "IDIOTS" like her to show them where they understand at the box-office. THEY ALL SUCK AS IT IS ANY HOW.
She looks like and is as funny as Al Franken in a skirt !!!!!!
oh wow thank you for that.
such inspiring love
"Here’s my point: I sense a little misplaced anger over her comments about the tea parties"
The writer's "point" proves he's an absolute idiot.
A blog is not broadcast news. This is a conversation people are having amongst themselves.
We complain more about the lies they tell, the false charges and the fact that they go unchallenged by supposed journalists. The complaint isn't that they get "too much coverage".
And I love how you hypocrites always want conservatives to be nice so we can prove ourselves above reproach, while you folks smear us publicly. What a great little set-up you have made for us in your world!
Then Mr. Nice Guy's views get blown off by JG as "that's your problem". I guess Garafalo only calls people outright racists on national TV but in the dressing room she is a honey. I await Garafalos next diatribe explaining that she has one or two "kinda right-wing friends" who actually aren't all that bad…
"As part of their drive to prove her wrong about characterizing them as hateful, they lob scads of vile invective in her direction – including threats of violence and personal attacks."
We are objecting to the charge of being smeared as racists. Not everyone here has spewed hate, and those that have are angry at one individual for her attack, nothing more. And please cite the threats of violence. You can't.
No one here is charging Garafalo with being "hateful". Her hate may be discussed as what may be motivating her, but it is her smear that we object to. So your premise is false.
No one has called Tom a "traitor". That is your careless interpretation.
So here is your lesson summary:
Blogs are not like TV.
People when they attack and smear thousands of people will get outrage, some of it vitriolic. Reacting and defending yourself from false charges does not constitute hate.
Hating a person that is an individual for something they did or said is not the same as hating a group of people for perceived common traits (racism or bigotry). You see you can hate Hitler or Stalin or even Bush if you like and you aren't considered a "bigot". See how that works?
Having a disagreement does not mean the person you disagree with is some kind of traitor.
We react to lies and smears, not to amount of coverage.
Seriously, Janeane's idea of tolerance is saying "that's your problem" and then going on Olbermann and calling you a racist.
I'm sorry LawhawkSF, it won't happen again. I "promise".
I used to have hair like Buckwheat, now i have hair like Picard.
This has to be the most entertaining comments thread in BH's brief history. If Breitbart really wants to drive the commentariat's fury, maybe he should hire Meghan McCain to start blogging the Federalist papers while Steve Schmidt can do a series outlining to we Conservatives how we need to moderate our views in order to win elections.
Bravo Zundfolge, Bravo. Or as Wayne and Garth from Wayne's World would say, "FISHED IN, FISHED IN"
Kinda like President Obama you mean? Seems he prefers to be liked rather than be respected for standing up for America against these two bit dictators. His moral relativism both angers and scares me.
Tom, if you really want to help your friend Janeane tell her, "Rinse, Lather, Repeat" a little shampoo goes a long way.
And who knows, back a decade or so ago when she seemed to occasionally bathe she didn't seem so filled with hate, rage and irrational emotions towards everyone.
If that fails you're done to exorcism and massive antibiotics. . .
So I should not be upset about being called a racist because she was open and honest about her view of me? She called me and others like me one of the most vile things you can accuse someone of and I should appreciate it because she was up front? Sorry, I disagree. It is her view that I am a racist that needs to be vigorously pushed back against.
[...] point out that she is only saying outloud what people on the left actually think but tend to say in “coded” ways. Here’s the thing; everything Janeane said is what people on the left already think. They have [...]
"A lie left unchallenged gets seen as the truth." — absolutely true!
I wish the politicians on our side would figure that out.
Good lord! Read what was written. Go ahead, I'll wait….
Done? See how the point is being made that political views are not always excused because of some talent? So can we get back to a reasonable discussion now? Thanks!
The "Meggie McCain" kind. It's the kind that starts out conservative but spends most of their time around lefties until, eventually, they begin feeling apologetic about their views.
She has been running around spouting pseudo-scientific nonsense to try and convince people that conservatism is a clinical mental disorder. That is far beyond just expressing opinions (even if it was meant to be some smarter than the room comedy). Also, she is not civil or even rational. No she is simply insulting conservatives with hate-filled rants. I don't care to support that and I don't have to.
One point I do agree with is that it's good that people like this are exposed for what they are.
There are a lot of people who are nice that just need to sit down and STFU, like say, Jimmy Carter..
Garafalo is a political talk show host who spews stupidity and venom at every turn and her show was a complete failure (because they failed to see what made conservative talk radio so great and popular, it's called HUMOR.. and her show had none.
Perfect summation counselor!
"What I am saying is that a huge portion of this country thinks people on the right are evil."
And why is it that a huge portion of this country thinks people on the right are evil?
Could it possibly be due to Kingdom Hollywood, your dear friends, creating and expanding upon the sewer in which it dwells?
Kingdom Hollywood has become a sewer by its own creative forces; if comedians need to suck up the crap that's their problem.
I think it is funny that the entertainment suckers still cannot except the fact that they continue to be the vessel of Kingdom Hollywood's sewer.
What will it take for those in the industry of agit-prop to recognize your lives are immersed inside a crap-filled sewer?
I got out of the sewer somethime around 2004, the taste was too toxic for me to continue swallowing and I must say the fresh air is invigorating.
Try it sometime sewer dwellers, get out and smell fresh air for a change; you might discover something remarkable.
It's liberating to be free from Kingdom Hollywood's sewer.
Just to be clear for those still confused in crap, I would like to make it clear…. Kingdom Hollywood is a sewer.
This post makes me think of the woman having an affair with a married guy who abuses his wife and is OK with it because "hey, he's nice to ME!" and then tries to talk the wife into liking him.
Garofalo's words are arrogant, dismissive and derisive. "Racist" and "redneck" are derogatory terms that are loaded with meaning. She wants to delegitimize political opinions contrary to her own. I see no reason to shrug it off and am mystified why I should be glad to hear them spoken out loud. Should blacks be glad to hear the n-word spoken out loud to celebrate frankness?
You say this woman is very funny. I thought she was joking when she said people like those who attended tea party rallies had defective brains. She wasn't. That statement is very unfunny. It is pathetic and paranoid. She has obviously spent a lot of time coming up with that rationalization for why people hold opinions contrary to her own.
Funny how the pseudo science of brain metrics was once used by real racists to demean others.
OK.
Howsabout this: I think Garofalo is an idiot. She's hateful and all liberals like her have a part of their brain that makes their synapses misfire which makes them stupid. They're all self-loathing, post-americans.
Now…
If you said that, then ran into her, do you think she'd have given you one ounce of respect the way you did for her? Nope. Why defend her. Let her defend her remarks. You're the wimp for not challenging her.
P.S.
She ain't funny. She's just a bitch.
She's as funny as a "screen doored submarine". But seriously folks, she is clinically mentally ill, I mean sick like she needs medical help, and soon, before she hurts herself to get more attention. Don't take my word for it, just listen to her speak and words. Delusional with Manic Overtones. In my opinion.
"That's you're problem." While I have my doubts about Janeane's grasp of English grammar, this slip-up belongs to you. "You're" is a contraction of "you are." "Your" is a simple possessive, and the word you should have used.
And by the way, defending her by saying that the left already thinks that way is no defense at all. She is incapable of reasoned argument or — dare I say it? — even nuance. If she is the spokesman for the left-wing, then America ought to be ashamed, and we are worse off than I had thought.
Since when does accusing every conservative who didn't vote for Obama constitute 'talking about racism'? Since when does saying, apparently in all sincerity, that Republicans lack frontal lobe development constitute anything but a smear? Quit defending the indefensible. Garofalo isn't about dialogue but demonization. Sadly, neither she nor MSNBC seem to be smart enough to realize that to constitute an opinion, an assertion has to be backed up with fact and argument. Smears are neither.
No one right of center thinks being against taxes is racist, they may say they are right of center but they're lying either to everyone else or to themselves. Taxes and racism are separate issues that the left has been able to connect in "Useful Idiots" minds.
You hit it on the head – the reason it is disturbing is she is spewing it as if it is fact and we have seen first hand what happens when you dumb down the common folk with consistent lies and innuendo — you end up with a President Barack Obama.
She's an unfunny past her prime immature loser trying to get attention.
Someone grab her by the shoulders and shake her and let her know that she's:
1. Not Funny
2. Not Good-Looking and
3. Not Intelligent.
I guess bad attention is better than no attention to her. Not my cup of tea.
So if I start referring to you Tom, as a racist.. you wouldn't have a problem with that, because a "lot" of people think you are.
how about if I call you a "potential child molestor", you wouldn't have a problem with that, because I "know" a 'lot of people think you are', because I said I know it, it must be true.
So what am I NOT allowed to call you? Where's the line?
Because by your argument, because I've been given a forum (BH's commentary), you're not allowed to dispute my claims, because I say "a lot of people think you are those things"?
{No, I'm not saying the above.. but you see how ridiculous your argument is now?}
Ms. Garofolo is free to say whatever she wants… but we're allowed to respond to the charges…and for you to tell me I'm not allowed to respond… you're telling me I have to accept those accusations of hers.
So if I start referring to you Tom, as a racist.. you wouldn't have a problem with that, because a "lot" of people think you are.
how about if I call you a "potential child molestor", you wouldn't have a problem with that, because I "know" a 'lot of people think you are', because I said I know it, it must be true.
So what am I NOT allowed to call you? Where's the line?
Because by your argument, because I've been given a forum (BH's commentary), you're not allowed to dispute my claims, because I say "a lot of people think you are those things"?
{No, I'm not saying the above.. but you see how ridiculous your argument is now?}
Ms. Garofolo is free to say whatever she wants… but we're allowed to respond to the charges…and for you to tell me I'm not allowed to respond… you're telling me I have to accept those accusations of hers.
She is a "2" Bagger at least.
And you ignored the key part of the response Tom:
"You should be glad someone finally said it-now you can answer the charge. You don’t want to have to answer the charge? Why not? It’s out there.”".
The charge is out there… we're answering it, but it seems to me, that you appear not to be liking our answer?
Hell, we've been answering it for years.. but our responses get ignored and the accusation is thrown out there again and again to the MSM by people like Ms. G.
Janeane may be funny onstage. If so, she should stay there. There's nothing funny about her incessant venom against people who have values and principles and adhere to them. Just for the record, I'm against higher taxation because those in power view me as their personal ATM that they use to buy votes to keep themselves in power. How does that make me a racist? Anti big government, positively, absolutely guilty as charged. Why do liberals equate higher taxes with moral goodness? They must be on some kind of monstrous guilt trip that can only be cured by relieving me and my family of our hard earned income. Lastly, why in God's name would you trust a politician to do the right thing with your money. Have you not been paying attention or do you just not care as long as it makes YOU feel better about YOURself?
Congratulations, you've imported the liberal standard of self-loathing onto conservatives. JG says we're racist, anti-intellectual, brain-impaired, ignorant, etc, and the problem is US? What people like us CHOOSE to get outraged about? I should go in my corner and QUESTION MYSELF? Are you out of your freaking mind?
The onus is on JG, NOT conservatives. What are the choices here, keep my mouth shut and ignore inflammatory false accusations? What good comes from that?
How do you defend yourself against the indefensible?
There are two choices. Ignore and let outrageous accusations go unchallenged or stand up and say exactly what JG is; a hate-spewing, ignorant bigot.
BTW, any claim that JG has FINALLY vocalized what liberals think about conservatives is ridiculous. I have heard this over and over already. It's time to hang these people out to dry, not question myself.
Without a doubt, the worst article on BH to date.
You've picked the wrong day to make your argument. A contestant for Miss America may well have lost the pagent for answering a question in a way that didn't suit the left wing. Her answer was actually what the majority of people in this country think, but that didn't matter. Merely speaking the words, made her a pariah. The pagent administration has actually publicly distanced themselves from an answer (that the majority of Americans agree with) because they fear left wing backlash.
It is time forf a new day. The right must demonize and marginalize anyone who uses offensive class terms such as 'Redneck". Can you imagine if Miss America had answered the question:, "Homosexuals have extra large limbic-brains"? It's not OK because Garafalo was only speaking to her in-group (in your view). Biased, extremist hate speach is biased extremist hate speach. She is guilty of it. Off with her head!
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Hey Zundfolge;
That youtube footage you linked to shows Garofalo doing a really funny six minutes of observational comedy. I can't stand her politics, but I have to give it up for great writing and great delivery in that brief routine. Of course, that's before she became so 'important', and perhaps she became less funny as that happened
Totally agree with you about Alec Baldwin. I never found Tina Fey funny. I always got the impression that it was perceived as more important that she be a woman and head writer of SNL than for the material to be funny. 'Mean Girls' was good, I'll give her that.
Sorry, Tom. We will not lay off. All you're doing here (to borrow an expression from our President) is putting lipstick on a pig.
Regarding Perez Hilton's idiotic remarks after the pageant (whoever the Hell he is?), I thought it must be Paris Hilton saying such outrageous rubbish. He should just go snuggle up with Barney Frank and shut his piehole. Regarding Garofolo……what head? Her synapses aren't firing either, so I asumed she had no head, but like a cockroach she apparently can live without one.
You can put lip stick on a pig, she is still a pig. What a disguting person, and i'm not for sure if I should call her a person. It seems like everyone is a racist or a red neck if you disagree with her or this administrations 10 trillion defecit. If i'm a red neck, then i'm damn proud of it. She doesn't get it, this is not about Obama being black (get a life) this is all about taxes, she and all the far left evidently does not know history or what the Boston tea party was about.
May I suggest she and her friends PLEASE go to Cuba, or any other socialist, facist country and reside there. I'm sure your free speach will be welcomed.
Tom,
I think the comparison between Janeane as a stand up comic and political "pundit" are being blurred for you. I can appreciate political comedy as much as the next person as long as its presented in that venue. She went on a political show and presented her viewpoint as a fact. You may appreciate her non-filtered rants but other political pundits such as Limbaugh and Coulter have been vilified for theirs so we on the right are going to do the same to the poor "misunderstood" Janeane.
I didn't find her routine remotely funny, and even back then it had this undercurrent of disdain for, well everything in general. There's a dozen comediennes out there that can do the whole self effacing, low self esteem, "my GOD my thighs are fat" type humor and still be funny (Paula Poundstone or Ellen DeGeneres come to mind).
I will give her this, she was much prettier when her makeup was done tastefully and she wasn't covered with tats (and you didn't know how much hate there really was behind those brown eyes).
As for Tina Fey, I always though she was a pretty good writer and I liked her character on 30 Rock, but the whole Palin thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth and unlike Baldwin, she's not quite talented enough to distract me from her failings.
I worked at Catch A Rising Star in Cambridge, MA and believe me, there are a TON of really smart comedians…Garofalo was not one of them. She was a mousey, apologetic ass-kisser. And no, she was never really that funny. I don't remember her even being nice. Jon Stewart…one of the nicest guys on the planet, Lewis Black…a prince amongst men, Will Durst…a great guy. These comedians were all left of center but they did not spew the hatred that comes from Garofalo…and, by the bye, that is not the first time she has expressed these views.
Being opinionated without content or reflection used to be called bigotry. Now it's called comedy.
I'll admit I prefer my comedy with an undercurrent of disdain, and Beverly Hills 90210 had it coming.
Actually, this clip you linked to is the first bit of tape in which she actually made me laugh. I guess everything I've seen of Garofalo is of a more recent vintage, and contains words like 'Bushies', 'Big Oil' and 'the Middle East' sprinkled liberally throughout. Snooze.
I was surprised to see her cast in '24'.
She is a spiteful angry over inked bimbo show business weirdo who is only in it for the money and totally worthless to my beautiful life. I would not want to be either one of her parents.
Hey CBK,
If you like chicks that aren't very friendly with razors or shampoo, that's your business. As for knocking her looks, she is the one expressing her inner ugliness by adopting an outer ugliness. If you are into that kind of thing, then go for it. I find her to be a disgusting person all the way around. Past the racist comments, she proclaimed that in order to be Conservative one had to be mentally impaired. Sounds like projection. (On top of her admitted self-loathing). Sounds like a fun creature! If you get a chance with her, bring the body wash and duct tape!
Hey Shillue, in the words of the immortal Larry "Road Hog" Kenny: "Don't smoke dope when you're high! You won't get any higher, you'll just get lower on dope."
I can't think of any other reason why you would think going to bat for Garafolo was a good idea, unless you were so toasted that your body actually had to send-out for more drool. And cheetos. I understand man… hell, I used to burn two fatties before even getting out of bed in the morning (or afternoon). Then I grew up. Now I only burn one fatty before getting out of bed in the morning (or afternoon).
but srsly dood… BACK AWAY FROM THE BONG!
P.S. The dead giveaway was you saying you thought that Garafolo was funny. Nobody — whose brain isn't totally fried — thinks Garafolo is funny.
The problem with that, Mr. Shillue, is I am afraid you aren't paying attention to the signs. Fomenting more division and more speech about race is probably not in the best interest of anyone at this time. People are scared, they're angry, and they're desperate. It is equivalent to throwing gasoline on the kitchen fire. I think LawHawk has described this perfectly, capturing the tone. No offense, but to a Conservative woman like me, you aren't being strong in your beliefs, but rather squishy. It is more of you being pulled to the middle, over to the left more, than it is you standing strong for your side. I am sure you face many conundrums in your business, but you don't get brownie pts for going along to get along.
I often get blasted here for saying we should keep our liberal friends and even debate and challenge them. And that EVERYONE has a right to their opinion no matter how offensive. But I have to disagree with you here, she did something unforgivable and twisted, she used national TV (and it's 300 viewers – MSNBC) to change the debate and label anyone she disagrees with as a racist. And she uses Eugenic arguments to diminish your right to have discourse, the MOST you should say about her is she's nice but WHY does she have these vile thoughts. If you were really her friend Tom, you would've confronted her and said why have you gone so f—ing crazy?
Tom, I would be outraged if the similar words came out of a conservative as they did JG.
I disagree that she is saying anything about the US in general, maybe a part of the US. The (ironically) racist far left part. I can totally buy off on her speaking for them.
It is not like she is earning one dime from this. Which makes her like 99.9% of the bloggers harping on her foolishness.
And NO Tom, many conservatives DO NOT agree with her. That's just BS.
You are missing the point Tom, it is in the open, the left has been saying what Janeane has been spouting lately for over 10 years to any right wing person they happen to focus on. The Left doesn't want to talk to you, they want you to shut up and only listen to what they have to say. How many people of opposing view do you see on MSNBC? On Olbermans program or Chris Matthews? You don't, they never have and never will want a sembilence of debate since they can be shown to be wrong.
CBK,
Now that was funny.
Look, I know it sucks when someone you know and like does something awful and you feel like you have to defend them. But this is indefensible, and given her history she didn't deserve your good will in the first place.
I remember a bit from The Ben Stiller Show where she played a teenage girl who time traveled, but could never help anyone because she was so ignorant of history. Not too far off the mark, was it?
I'm hating your words as much as I'm hating the OP's .
*MissQuinn*
Layoff Janeane? Tom, sounds like your exhibiting some troubling signs of "Stockholm Syndrome". I have worked with, for, and around some of our industry's biggest liberal stars and players. All of them think I'm a swell guy who is very talented at his craft. But if anyone of them knew I was strongly opposed to gay marriage and support Prop 8, they would black-ball me in a second – straight up. So don't tell me to layoff Janeane because she was nice to you because you spent a couple hours backstage with her on a gig. I can assure you the only reason why she didn't get in a dust up with you is because your not worth her time. Oh, by the way, I'm one of "those tea party folks–they’d rather keep them at arms length" you arrogantly referred to. I just happen to be well educated, conservative in my views, accomplished in my craft, own a production company (meaning I pay extortion in the form of taxes), and I'm most definitely not "White". So Tom, go write your crap on the Huffington Post so I don't have to hear your ignorant babble here on what was once the only place I could go in Hollywood to get a reprieve from the leftist here in town. Andrew, if you keep having this liberal apologist blogger coming into Big Hollywood, I'll have to drop your site's bookmark and go back to seeing you only at the bar. I don't come to Big Hollywood to sing camp fire songs and try to understand everyone's point of view. I have to do that at work. Now buck up and send this guy Tom Shillue to cyber hell. SEND IT!!!
Layoff Janeane? Tom, sounds like your exhibiting some troubling signs of "Stockholm Syndrome". I have worked with, for, and around some of our industry's biggest liberal stars and players. All of them think I'm a swell guy who is very talented at his craft. But if anyone of them knew I was strongly opposed to gay marriage and support Prop 8, they would black-ball me in a second – straight up. So don't tell me to layoff Janeane because she was nice to you because you spent a couple hours backstage with her on a gig. I can assure you the only reason why she didn't get in a dust up with you is because your not worth her time. Oh, by the way, I'm one of "those tea party folks–they’d rather keep them at arms length" you arrogantly referred to. I just happen to be well educated, conservative in my views, accomplished in my craft, own a production company (meaning I pay extortion in the form of taxes), and I'm most definitely not "White". So Tom, go write your crap on the Huffington Post so I don't have to hear your ignorant babble here on what was once the only place I could go in Hollywood to get a reprieve from the leftist here in town. Andrew, if you keep having this liberal apologist blogger coming into Big Hollywood, I'll have to drop your site's bookmark and go back to seeing you only at the bar. I don't come to Big Hollywood to sing camp fire songs and try to understand everyone's point of view. I have to do that at work. Now buck up and send this guy Tom Shillue to cyber hell. SEND IT!!!
You think she's a bitter dumpy little troll now? Just wait until they kick her ass off 24 and she's forced to do late night infomercials for pubic lice remedies to turn a buck.
Who?
I will shout as long as they do. It's time to fight fire with fire. A clown who waits for people to hit his face with a pie will eventually get hit by a pie. I don't want to be that clown anymore. SCREW THEM. Jamean GodawefulHO can kiss it. She put her comments out there forcing others to form their opinions of what she said. And I'm supposed to pretend that it doesn't offend me? FTS!
I will shout as long as they do. It's time to fight fire with fire. A clown who waits for people to hit his face with a pie will eventually get hit by a pie. I don't want to be that clown anymore. SCREW THEM. Jamean GodawefulHO can kiss it. She put her comments out there forcing others to form their opinions of what she said. And I'm supposed to pretend that it doesn't offend me? FTS!
She needs to shave before she can even qualify. LOL
I think your thoughts were well put, Tom and I even understand where you're coming from. I'm willing to believe she's a nice enough person…I understand she's a comedian and that's what comedians do…. but there's a line and she always seems to be looking over her shoulder's at it. Here's what drives me crazy….and I can't believe I have to talk about Olbermann here like he's relevant..but..here goes…. Olbermann's show is, as loosely as we can use this term, a "news" show. She wasn't on the Daily Show here nor was she on stage at Caroline's. She was on Countdown and was presented as THE argument against the tea parties. Now, granted that says more about MSNBC and Olbermann than it does about her but that's another blog for another day. Olbermann might as well of said "sing is sister!" while she was spewing her "comedy material". It didn't come across as a shtick to me and lots of others. Janeane doesn't come across as funny she comes across as hateful. Really, really hateful. It's unfortunate that she chooses commentary quite this divisive to be her "material" because she is alienating over half of her would-be fan base. Basically calling all of "us" braindead, redneck, teabagging, racists who are literally Klan members just didn't make me laugh.
I used to love her. She used to be very funny. I believe she probably is nice to the people that know her. She can't expect the rest of us to think she's nice though when that's the way she chooses to present herself to us.
I think your post is great and it certainly offers great material for discussion which is certainly what you got!
She accused those not agreeing with her, with having a brain disorder. And she did so very seriously, not in the heat of argument or anger, just matter of fact. This form of argument against the credibility of the arguer not the merit of the argument is itself a way to say, "You have no valid opinion because you can't think, so shut up" It is the antithesis of public discourse in this country and Janeane deserves every bit of derision that she is getting. Her comment falls right in line with the MSM; The 1st amendment only applies to those we agree with.
Garofolo hasn't done anything since that cantina scene in Star Wars.
Ok, I'm going to tacitly defend Tom a bit here (because frankly I think some of us have been a little hard on the guy).
I think its noble and commendable that you would choose to look past someone having different political positions as yourself and try to judge the person underneath, frankly we should all attempt to do this with people we meet. But in Garafolo's case, she's not just wrong on policy, she doesn't just disagree with us conservatives she hates us with every fiber of her being.
Tom, if Ms. Garafalo were just another "rank and file" liberal, just someone you knew who held different political views than yourself then yes, I'd agree 100% that we shouldn't "damn" her for a misguided comment or two. We should judge her by the content of her character and not the "color" of her politics.
But that's just not the case here, Ms. Garafalo is a vociferous spokesperson for the most vile, hateful and extremist side of the modern American liberal movement. She may not quite be as far out there as Bill Ayers (who at one time believed he'd have to round up and exterminate 25 Million Americans in order for his political aims to be achieved) but she's darn close.
She may have her moments of niceness, she may even be likable on a personal level, she may be a charming dinner companion and fun to play scrabble with. But she represents a worldview that many of us here find untenable, bad enough that it makes it impossible for us to look the other way just because she's fun to hang out with or is nice to puppies or whatever.
So while I understand you're trying to defend what you see as just some basically nice girl with some strong opinions, we can't join you there because frankly I believe is she could wave her magic wand I, and most of us that post here, would be dead. Not simply out of power, not simply silenced by what she thinks is the majority view, but actually lifeless and buried in a mass grave.
No
Except that the true believer libs CANNOT stop from insulting dissenting points of view. If they do allow dissent, it creates a cognitive dissonance against their religion.
She wants to kill several million people? Really? How do you know this?
Hah! Buried in these comments, the author says 'I get the feeling that people only read the headline of the article'. And for me at least, he's kind of right, I'm ashamed to say. I only read up to the photo and decided that I'd seen enough.
The lower part of the article makes much more sense. I still disagree with it a little bit, but not now. Right now, I just wanted to apologize for commenting on a post that I didn't completely read.
What's "funny" is that Garofalo simply proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that it is indeed the LEFT who don't know their HISTORY and who, at almost every turn, prove to be THE ONES who see everything based on race … and that it is they who are the most narrow-minded and rigid amongst us. With her accusations, she seems to be simply projecting onto the rest of us, her own intolerance. Such sweeping, broad generalizations … doesn't that amount to bigotry and PREJUDICE? I do think so.
Ironically, and I hadn't noticed this before… Careful when you use Stockholm Syndrome in talking with/about JG, haumea… remember, that Michael Steele is only a Republican precisely because of the Stockholm Syndrome…
JG said so herself
a lot like Michael Steele, who’s the black guy in the Republican party who suffers from Stockholm Syndrome, which means you try and curry favor with the oppressor.
Is there anything more condescending than a half Irish/half Italian Jersey girl speaking with such sweeping confidence on behalf of black people? Now, I'm not black, but if I were I think that might get under my skin. She says that Michael Steele desires only to curry favor with "the oppressor". Yikes!
JG: "You guys go stand over there in the corner and write some rap music or make up some end zone dances or whatever it is you do. I've got the hard political stuff covered."
Still, I think Tom S.'s point that at least she says what she's thinking so that it can be talked about and seen for what it is was very well made in this article.
Exactly.
Call me a racist, you're cut off.
I have an ex-friend who did that.
Haven't talked to her since. Screw her.
"The left never stops accusing the right of racism."
So when you're called a racist, you just need to 'get over it' and let it go?
How about if they called you a nazi? (Oh wait, the left does that all the time as well…)
Load of crap.
You need to keep fighting back against that, or people will preceive that by your silence, you agree.
Are you a racist?
My conservative wife has a few tats. I have one.
I have to say that the attacks on her looks are weak .
It's not her looks/style.
It's her opinions we despise. Try and separate the two, please.
My conservative wife has a few tats. I have one.
I have to say that the attacks on her looks are weak .
It's not her looks/style.
It's her opinions we despise. Try and separate the two, please.
Tom — I will not speak ill of a fellow conservative, …BUT…
Janeane Garafalo is a lunatic.
And yes, i do agree…she can be very funny. When she's not exposing her ill-informed, misguided, lazy-thinking, NON-thinking stupidity. SHE is a an America-hating cretin so deserving of the derision heaped upon her. She should be ashamed of herself. 'Shame'…now there's a concept. Anymore it seems WE're supposed to be ahamed of standing up for lower taxes, traditional marriage, a strong nat'l. defense, and American soverighnty. Funny or not JG is an idiot worthy of scorn.
And…if she and YOU want racism to go away…SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALREADY.
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/ggraham/2009/02...
Or prepare for "the mercury treatment"
You lost me at, "She is funny." I've seen her act….no she's not.
If someone wrote an article saying that if I only spent some time with some white supremacist, or criminal, I'd realize what a nice conversation I could have with them if we didn't talk about anything important, I'd pretty much tell them to go get bent. The problem is, that person would still be a scumbag whether I talked to them or not. But if I talked to them, it would make me a scumbag for enabling them. If you like spending time with her, that's your right. Please don't tell me I'm wrong for not desiring to spend my time supporting a hateful human being.
Reading is a skill, Joe. Keep practicing.
Since you're such good buddies with this hater, can
you please pass along a note and tell her to get to know
her shower once in a while?
Will do, jackass. Just point me to the text where she advocates mass murder.
There's a pretty good working definition of the word 'racist' that defines it as someone winning an argument with a liberal. Bearing this definition in mind, hasn't JG paid you all a kind of compliment in tiresomely employing that word?
You've gotta be kidding me. You're right. She isn't a politician. She's been given a platform for absolutely no reason. Taking the high road with animals like her is what's gotten us where we are today.
Question. If her ideas are so wrong, and I believe they are very wrong, why do you and others focus so obsessively on her appearance and speculate on her allegedly poor hygiene? It makes you appear as intellectually challenged as the people you oppose.
Uh huh. And calling her an animal is such a great place to start engaging her and proving the superiority of your way of thinking, right?
I am really sorry, but you can't put lipstick on that pig! She is mean spirited, harsh, and downright nasty. The things she said about average citizens exercising their freedoms, which she wants to have, are absolutely unacceptable.
I used to like her acting. But I never knew this side of her. While I understand her being liberal and having those political views, she went overboard. But the Democrats have always had a double standard. When they do or say it it is cool or ok, when we say it we are extremists, terrorists, right-wingers. Maybe we are just citizens who love our country but see things much diffferently! It just Chaffs my Britches!
She's agreed with the idea of imprisonment of all Republicans, so its not too much of a leap to add "showers" and ovens to this jail of hers.
Go google up some interviews where she's discussed Republicans and conservatives … honestly most of Hitler's henchmen had kinder words for Jews in the early 30s.
At any rate, I said "I believe is she could wave her magic wand I, and most of us that post here, would be dead." I never accused her of openly advocating for or supporting such a policy (which is implied by the necessity of a "magic wand").
Based on the statements she's made about Republicans and conservatives, its clear that in her heart of hearts she hates us with a pure, white hot hate. There is no scenario where people like me would be allowed to live if she could magically produce the world she envisions in her dreams.
I would have a good time with her, I'm sure….
She can take that comment in the same spirit as she gave hers…
I would have a good time with her, I'm sure….
She can take that comment in the same spirit as she gave hers…
I said I like chicks with tattoos, not dirty hairy girls. Where I come from, it's a very big difference.
Great column! Controversial! Misunderstood! I get it! I was going to leave a much more detailed comment, but you've already got 393!
What are you babbling about? Do you have an original thought in your small head or are you just mimicking someone who does?
Yeah but you're NOT racist and have never seen it – yet you refer to another culture as THEY-you're cute ostrich!
Where to begin? I'm sure the writer is a lovely fellow, but he is also a milquetoast. To say we'd like Garofalo in person is to miss the point entirely. Since I'll never know her in person, I can respond only to her public voice. And it's ugly. And wrong. Is her alleged funniness supposed to alter that? If so, It's like saying we mustn't judge Hitler too harshly, because he was a good son. Irrelevant. If Garofalo is going to say the often-disgusting things she does (on radio and TV), then her comments have earned negative responses.
The entire apologia is SO naive and silly that it's close to pathetic. The only thing MORE pathetic is the attention Garofalo, a non-entity, is getting from all this.
I think if you're going to present yourself to the American people as someone
with legitimate arguments (which I don't think she has) you should at least be
presentable. And as far as arguing with her, you can't argue with an insane person.
This nut believes her hatred to her core.
Do they have three-ring binders in his program? I thought they were restricted to soft paper and crayons?
You are trying to use reason and logic with a troll. C'mon, you know that doesn't work.
And who gets to decide who is "presentable"? That's really ridiculous. It's better to stick to issues rather than appearance.
I think you're conveniently confusing a lame attempt at humour with a real threat.
Is this a joke? This guy Tom actually says alot of people agree with her. Can anyone post an article here? I would love to comment and have my own thread and spew lies like this guy. Garbagalo is white trash. Yeah they all say they arent politicians as they sit on politically-driven shows and spew their hate. Spare me.
Have you been abusing your ritalin again?
after re-reading, I wanna ask: who let this ass post that?
No Tom she is a racist bitch!
Janine….the tea parties were held as racial demonstrations against this countries' first black president? I think it is absolutely great that we elected a black man to the office of President. I am terribly saddened it was the wrong man, such as it was with Jimmy Carter.
I think the real culprits are the members of Congress, from both parties, of all races and genders. There is no way in hell these people need to spend more than 8-10 years in Washington, DC. As far as I'm concerned, there are many there that need to be shown the exit.
It is a weak and immature mind that casts the racist label on my fellow tea party citizens…. it was not all about Barack Obama. Check the video. Look at the signs. Listen to the comments of those in attendance (not the announcers) Plenty of displeasure with our elected officials across the spectrum.
The tea parties were about the citizens of our great country not wanting to be slaves to our government– its' intrusion and ufettered control over our daily lives.
Janine….the tea parties were held as racial demonstrations against this countries' first black president? I think it is absolutely great that we elected a black man to the office of President. I am terribly saddened it was the wrong man, such as it was with Jimmy Carter.
I think the real culprits are the members of Congress, from both parties, of all races and genders. There is no way in hell these people need to spend more than 8-10 years in Washington, DC. As far as I'm concerned, there are many there that need to be shown the exit.
It is a weak and immature mind that casts the racist label on my fellow tea party citizens…. it was not all about Barack Obama. Check the video. Look at the signs. Listen to the comments of those in attendance (not the announcers) Plenty of displeasure with our elected officials across the spectrum.
The tea parties were about the citizens of our great country not wanting to be slaves to our government– its' intrusion and ufettered control over our daily lives.
Good job on the reply – absolutely correct. We were expressing our views, quite peacefully I might add. Contrary to the current administrations distain for us and their comments of Rahm and Axelrod – We do not have mutated disaffection for our nation. On the contrary, we really care about our country, which is why we had tea parties. Unlike code pink, and others like Janeane , We would stand on the front lines if needed to fight for the freedoms of our nation and others, In fact, millions of soldiers have died so that people like myself and Janeane can be free to rant!
I think you know what presentable looks like. It's common sense. Olbermann and the rest of the folks at MSNBC — even Maddow — look presentable. They take pride in their appearance when going on television. Do whatever you want in your house, but don't inflict your purposely dour, homeless chic look on others when you have the financial means to fix yourself up. And it doesn't take that much $ to do so. It also doesn't speak well for her self-confidence or sense of self-worth. But that's also obvious in the words of hate in anger she spews.
I'm a former, liberal democrat, I haven't changed my beliefs in any way. I believe passionately in civil rights, always have. I'm in my 40s, raised to love my country, and respect the constitution. I never hated republicans, I disagreed with them on many issues, but respected their right to hold their political views. I was a fan of Janeane Garofalo for a good many years, long before she was on SNL, so on a certain level, I can appreciate what the writer of this article is saying,but I disagree with him on his claim that we need to ignore her offensive remarks.
I started having doubts about the left in 2000, but I was one of those who earnestly looked forward to the long talked about "progressive" talk radio. When AAR was announced, I waited enthusiastically for it to go on air.. my enthusiasm didn't last long, once it had. Whether it was the two Marks, Al Franken, Ring of Fire, the nauseating Rachel Madcow, Randi Rhodes, or any of the rest, it was plain that they were a broken record. They didn't reflect the realities we were promised they would address. They were disconnected, and disinterested from the issues that mattered most to Americans, just carping on the same one or two pet issues, over and over again.
When Garofalo's show started airing, it was even worse. She was all hopped up on something, looked like a junkie, and was about as incoherent as one. She's gotten worse as time has gone on. She has been exposed as a hypocrite, a few years back leaping to defend Johnny Depp, when he'd insulted the US, claiming she felt all citizens have a right to dissent, yet when it's average Americans protesting, and quite legitimately doing so, she sneeringly refers to them as "redneck teabaggers". She went on to claim that they didn't even understand what the Boston Teaparty had been about, because she finds the fact that they were in fact protesting for the same reason, the fact that the democrat (I won't refer to them as democratic, because they are certainly not!) majority demand our taxes, but refuse to represent their constituents.
I have news for conservatives who believe that all or even the majority of average democratic Americans, are just fine with what's been going on with the dem majority in congress or in the Obama administration, they aren't. They are ringing their senators and representatives offices in DC and the district offices, giving their staffers an earful. They are actually trying to be seen in district offices, they're writing letters sending faxes, complaining about the corruption they are now fully aware of. The thing of it is, they aren't being listened to, any more than you are.
I attended a teaparty in Lansing, MI. There were at least 7,000 protesters there, and there were dems, independents and conservatives in the crowd. They were black as well as white, as the local news revealed. Some protesters traveled all the way from Detroit and the Upper Peninsula, all for the same reason. I spoke with a lot of them, because as a former dem, I wanted to hear if my experience with/opinion of Senators Stabenow and Levin was shared, especially by liberals, and each identified democrat I spoke with, felt just as I did, that their concerns were ignored, they felt unrepresented by them.
These good people, from all 50 states don't deserve to be smeared, and Garofalo showed herself to be a hypocrite when she did so, and deserves to be called on that. We don't have to drag ourselves down to the far left's level, but we don't need to, to decry her truly fascistic behavior. When Hitler rose to power, too many good people stayed silent, even some Jews in Germany thought if they ignored the hateful behavior, the nazis would expose themselves as villains and would lose power. They learned the hard way, that this way of thinking had been wrong. Garofalo should be shamed for her hypocrisy. She didn't listen to what the protesters had to say, she didn't care to. She's not the intellectual she likes to pretend to be, because someone with an intellect realizes that you undermine your own rights and freedoms, when you undermine the rights and freedoms of others. She's a blowhard on an ego trip, and is only looked up to, by an increasingly smaller group of people with each passing month.
like most modern liberal Janeane turns to adhominem attacks to make her point, because she can't use logic, much less a well reasoned argument…so she slips to insults and inuendo's to make her point.
sad….I don't watch her movies any more either…
thumbs up
She has confessed to self-loathing. Mybe she is trying to find someone or something to loathe more than herself.
I see free speech is alive and well here.
I'm all about free speech, it's the misogyny that I'm not down with. I'm betting if there was a similar remark made about Sarah Palin (and we KNOW it's been done), you probably wouldn't like it. And neither would I I'm just being consistent.
*MissQuinn*
At least you admit your hypocrisy —- you don't believe in speech which is misogynistic.
Regarding Sarah Palin —- I didn't bring politics into this discussion, so whether or not I care about what people say regarding Sarah Palin is irrelevant. My comments about Janeane Garofalo were simply on par with the way Janeane HERSELF deals with people about whom she feels superior (which is probably most everyone).
If the Administrator of this blog is going to censor my comments about what Janeane Garofalo can do with my penis, then he should get some balls and condemn Ms. Garofalo for the sewage that flows on a regular basis from that cloaca known as her mouth.
At least you admit your hypocrisy —- you don't believe in speech which is misogynistic.
Regarding Sarah Palin —- I didn't bring politics into this discussion, so whether or not I care about what people say regarding Sarah Palin is irrelevant. My comments about Janeane Garofalo were simply on par with the way Janeane HERSELF deals with people about whom she feels superior (which is probably most everyone).
If the Administrator of this blog is going to censor my comments about what Janeane Garofalo can do with my penis, then he should get some balls and condemn Ms. Garofalo for the sewage that flows on a regular basis from that cloaca known as her mouth.
It's not that I don't believe in it. I believe you have the right to speak it, but I DO have the right to say it sucks.
There's a path in which we can take Jeanne apart ideologically w/o bringing her gender into it.
I'm not the admin, but. . .the fact that we're all taking Jeanne to task, along Greg Gufield, Tim Slagel, Alfonso Rachel, Jeffery Jena, Jimmy Arone AND Amanda Peyser– I.E a majority of the writing staff; equates to pretty freaking strong condemnation.
The difference is, most of us are smart enough to take her apart w/o playing schoolyard games.
*MissQuinn*
"…….Greg Gufield, Tim Slagel, Alfonso Rachel, Jeffery Jena, Jimmy Arone AND Amanda Peyser…."
An array of Pulitzer Prize winners………
You write that as if I am supposed to be impressed………
I stand by my previous statement —- my comments about what "Ms." Garofalo could do with my penis was simply on par with what she herself would say about people towards whom she feels superior.
Regarding your comment about "schoolyard games" — I stopped playing those long ago, and I think you should too.
You referenced the administration of the site as if you were the lone voice in the wilderness. I named the authors to show that no, you are not the only person who doesn't like her.
I'm not here to impress, I was making a point, which you completely missed.
*MissQuinn*
[...] Found via HotAir.com: Here’s my point: I sense a little misplaced anger over her comments about the tea parties. It strikes me as a Captain Renault-like expression of shock. In order to take great offense at what she said we have to ignore the fact that the very same thing is said, in more subtle ways, every day. The left never stops accusing the right of racism. [...]
[...] Protesters are worried about unchecked government growth and spending, issues skirted like Tom Shillue defending Janeane Garafalo’s calling the protesters racists. He ignored her claim that [...]
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