Law and Order: C.I. — Christian Serial Killer Episode Fair to Christianity
by S.T. Karnick“Family Values,” the most recent episode of “Law and Order: Criminal Intent,” returned to an issue the program often deals with in a less than flattering way: religion. The episode, which premiered last Sunday, ran true to form, at least on the surface.
But as I’ve often noted in the past (most recently here), getting too caught up in the surfaces of cultural products often causes one to fail to see their true meaning. That’s the case with “Family Values.”
Certainly the story seems calculated to make a particular religious belief look bad, specifically evangelical Christianity. It concerns a serial killer who is a evidently devout Christian. (And indeed, the numerous promos on the USA Network leading up to the airing of the episode highlighted that sensationalistic concept.) In addition, the episode’s title, “Family Values,” seems calculated to annoy evangelical Christians, in an obvious sardonic reference to former Vice President Dan Quayle’s most famous political quest.
The man, apparently happily married and the father of a teenage girl, has set out on a campaign of murders after being fired as a scapegoat after his bank lost money on subprime loans they had forced him to make.
Thus the villain is a twofer: a murdering Christian driven to it by evil, rapacious capitalists. He’s a an anti-Christian socialist’s dream, and hence a superb bogeyman for our contemporary elites.
This mad–though seemingly normal-seeming–villain is “killing people to send them to Heaven,” as the police captain puts it. In the course of the episode we are shown several murders he commits, and realize that he’s seriously deranged. In the dramatic climax of the episode, the show’s main character, NYPD detective Bobby Goren, discusses religion with the killer, in order to get under his skin and lure him into confessing his crimes. That’s one of the show’s formula elements, Goren’s use of psychology to trap the killer.
Thus Goren debates conceptions of God with the killer, and on the surface it seems clear that he’s doing it just to trap him. There’s more to the scene, however, which makes it more sopisticated–and much more sympathetic to Christianity and to the idea of a caring, benevolent God–than is apparent on the surface.
The killer’sconception of God is as a distant, unforgiving deity, one who expects us to pay for our own sins. Goren homes in on that notion and attacks it astutely. In doing so, he argues exactly as a Christian would; the idea of God that Goren presents is quite biblically accurate, whereas that of the fanatic is a perversion of the Gospel (and indeed something of an inversion of it).
Ultimately, Goren says that the killer does not serve God, he serves Satan, “the liar, the trickster; . . . You serve the deceiver,” he says.
Now, Goren clearly is not presenting himself as a Christian but instead using theology to accomplish the same sort of psychological manipulation he employs against all the criminals he faces. In the end, however, his arguments show a very sound understanding of the Jewish and Christian conception of God and effectively convey it to the audience. It’s a very interesting episode in that way, and much more favorable to religion than a mere surface look may reveal.







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It's been a very long time since I could watch anything in the Law & Order franchise.
I thought that episode was well done and down the middle.
Lord… where do these people come up with this crap… :/ Have they never left their state or met anyone outside of their little social group… :/
* I really need to read the second half before going off.. :/ Oh well… I am just tired of being portrayed as an evil and ignorant being constantly by the media….
This is the equivalent of theme of "The Manchurian Candidate" and the anti-Bushies: You conservatives are doing the bidding of the communists, Osama bin Laden, and –now– the Devil himself. I wish you were right about this, but unfortunately you're not.
Do cops really walk around relating everything to politics? Whenever I've turned this program on, it's been like this:
"I have some paperwork to do. Do you know what happened to my forms?"
"Maybe they're with Bush's weapons of mass destruction!"
. . .
"Can you imagine having to patrol the park on a horse?"
"Yeah. I'd be afraid Sarah Palin would shoot it out from under me from her helicopter."
(note: not actual dialog :-0)
I am so sick and tired of "Law and Order" always having either business, the military or religious types as the bad guys…how about a professor, columnist or environmental activist for a change?? oh, I forgot—this is Hollywood…
trying to find a fair display of Christianity in Hollywood is like trying to find Jenna Jamison teaching catechism at St Juliana's- interesting concept; good luck with the execution…
It is embarrassing to watch Law and Order tackle religious issues. It is so obvious that there is a strong anti-Christian bias in the minds of the Jewish writers. Note that the "bad guys" often wear crosses or have the
fish symbol on their vehicles. And the lack of understanding of evangelical Christianity is appalling.
They hurt their credibility every time they take on a religious theme.
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Exactly! The shows became blatantly more political and I just quit watching. Of course, there is also the whole Jeffrey Immelt/NBC Universal thing. something has to be unbelievably good before I'll tune in to NBC.
I saw this episode and was on tenderhooks as Goren (Donofrio) got the confession. In the end, I thought it was fair.
I am a huge fan of Donofrio–he is quite the emoter, I know–but he blew my mind in "Household Saint" and I watch him whenever I can.
Law and Order-en are written by, and for, women of a certain age and demographic profile. For years it was successful but now it's audience is aging out of watching TV regularly, and faces greater competition by pretty much everyone else for that target demo. People underestimate how anti-Christian most women are, and how much they really, really hate "beta males." While this is the portrait of the "loser" serial killer, compare-contrast "Dexter" where the (I kid you not) serial killer is the hero and the romantic object of fantasy to it's nearly all female audience. Dexter is young, handsome, compassionless, ruthless, and "only" kills other serial killers to satisfy his sadism. He also of course believes in nothing.
Religion and religious beliefs by the people are important, because we cannot have cops on every corner or every house — we need internal controls on people's greed, lust, envy, hatred, and so on. Without it we soon degenerate into chaos. Women generally don't like religion in the modern era because of those internal controls, much of them sexual. Hence the attitudes about serial killers and religion in Law and Order-en (they are all the same, with the same villains, the ex-husband types of the series female writers) and Dexter (nihilist, believes in nothing serial killer romantic lead).
Stop making apologies for Hollywood. It's rotten to the core because writers and producers are often third-second generation, in the bubble yuppies with vast gaping social distances from ordinary folk, and catering to hostile-to-middle class values women.
I used to love the shows. But, as was said above, I noticed a definite liberal bias in the story lines. I am sick to death of liberals ridiculing average American people who actually love their country. I've just discovered NCIS and will watch that instead.
Irony of ironies, Jenna actually considers herself a good Catholic girl.
you want a great cameo in a great film by a true talent? See Tim Burton's 'Ed Wood' with a stunning bit by D'onofrio as Orson Welles- he just nails it- and it's Depp's best performance as well…
therefore, we will attend catechism next Wednesday with much anticipation…
Whoah-ah-ho–
I think that both men and women have left organized religion in droves.
I do appreciate your hostility, though, do you give spankings?
As a lifelong agnostic, I too have found the anti-Christian/Anti-Jew (oh hell, admit it, everything a Conservative stands for these shows are against) slant of these programs to be an appalling display of bigotry… they throw in the occassional leftist nutjob to appear fair, but the dialogue is overwhelmingly biased against just about everything good in America, presenting the 'stars' as judge, jury and executioner of our new moral code. I personally can't wait for the entire franchise to be ptd.
Saw it!!!!!! Tx!
My two favorite detectives, Vincent D'Onofrio and Chris Noth, notwithstanding, I'm fed up with the whole L&O franchise consistently bashing evangelicals (I am one), home-schoolers (ditto–20 years), and gun owners (used to own one). I sat through half the episode critiqued in this column and just couldn't take it anymore. I popped in a Jimmy Cagney movie, instead. And for the record, my homeschooled kids are not anti-social nerds..my 27 year old son is a commissioned officer in the Navy having graduated from VMI in 2004, my older daughter is a senior in college (voice major) and my youngest (age 15) is a patriot who reads Ann Coulter!
Let me get this strait: The evil guy is a "Christian" and the non-believer is the one with the correct Biblical doctrine? -And how exactly is this supposed to be a positive??
I agreed. We hope and pray for the jettison of the entire L/O production team and install a production new team who aren't so PC and biased against right-wing perspectives. Someone who recognize the bigger problems on the leftist and Islamofascist fronts.
Law and Order: Criminal Intent is the only one I'll watch (the other jumped the PC shark too many years ago). But still, I was rolling my eyes at this plot. Still, the Christian school had a lesbian drama teacher and only one Christian in the show was shown as a nut job. On top of that, it does use scripture correctly. As my wife said, the characters have to have a pretty good grasp of the Bible to use it that well. Naturally, that should open up more of D'onofrio's spiritual character. But it probably won't.
I also like NCIS and am finding most of the shows on USA to be good: Monk, Psych, In Plain Sight, The Closer. Good-bye Reaper. I'll miss ye.
I used to love it too, but it's been all down hill since Lenny Briscoe passed on.
A serious crush on Julianne Nicholson is the only reason I tune-in to L&O CI on alternate weeks.
CI is my favorite.
SVU lost Diane Neal and went too far left. (BEFORE 9/11 they had an evil Muslim. After 9/11 that became taboo. I wonder why . . . )
It's not every time, of course. But there's a sort of dread that builds up even when they don't do something… because you know they *will*.
Monk will be entering its final season.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I keep re-reading your post to see how long I will keep laughing. Well done!
As an ex-Pittsburgher, I really have always enjoyed Jeff Goldblum. His new character is interesting on CI.
"So when I came to myself again, I cried him mercy; but he said, "I know not how to show mercy," and with that knocked me down again."
It actually was very well done..
Go to Hulu, type in "Adam-12" in the search field and watch that instead. It's a better show and more realistic. And isn't the guy in the picture Pvt Pyle?
Have you watched Burn Notice?
John Bunyan?
I stopped watching the original Law and Order after the 20th episode that attacked the Catholic church. I thought one of the keys to good fiction was how it mirrored reality. Surely, not all of the villians are Christian.
I'll take Mr. Karnick's word for it about this particular episode but it's not bringing me back to any of the L&O franchises particularly "CI" and "Special Victims." As long time viewers of these shows know you can spot the killer/rapist/terrorist immediately by picking out the most prominent guest star who is playing a member of the military or a businessman or an overly-vocal Christian or traditional parent or someone vaguely identifiable as "conservative." I can't wait for the writers to do their take on Mark Sanford so we can see the always-popular "family values" politician who is just a sniveling hypocrite. I would love to see Goren and Eames bring in a suspect for interrogation who is just as much of a twitching ham as is D'Onofrio. Now THAT would be fun to watch.
While the Law & Order shows in their various incarnations do have a liberal bent to them it's not fair to paint every episode with the "broad" brush. SVU did have a series of episodes where radical environmentalists were the bad guys. The "basic" Law & Order had an episode where animal rights advocates were the bad guys. Further the assumption that Goren is an unbeliver doesn't really fit, or maybe I missed the episode where he said he doesn't believe. Anyway, at least the Law & Order shows are usually well written and thought provoking even if you don't agree with the "message"
And where does Whiskey get off blaming women for every anti-Christian thing out there?
No, but I'm assuming I should.
NCIS is a very good show. From the producer of JAG, it reflects positively on military value systems. One thing about it though, it does seem to love wallow in revolting corpse/autopsy themes. Rotten decaying corpses in each episode, some of them so graphic I can't watch. I guess I just don't have the stomach for it.
Mr. Karnick, at times your reviews and analyses of movies and TV remind me of the joke about the kid who gets a pile of manure for his birthday. "There's got to be a pony in here somewhere!" You're trying so hard to be optimistic and find a positive message buried in relentlessly hostile and negative media. I think you've succumbed to wishful thinking.
When the villain is a Christian fanatic, the show doesn't have a buried pro-Christian message. Or if it does, the hidden message is out-shouted by the completely un-hidden message that Christians are all evil fanatics.
Think about the weird straw-man image of Republicans and conservatives some of the louts who troll this very website seem to have. They KNOW we're all racists, religious bigots, warmongers, and heartless capitalist exploiters. When we explain that isn't true they accuse us of being liars and hypocrites. How do they KNOW this so surely about us? Because they've been conditioned by two generations of media portrayals.
Parsing an episode with Jesuitical rigor to extract a hidden pro-Christian message can't undo the damage caused by the overt, visible message. All it does is let the writers and producers who approve heartily of the anti-Christian message claim the fig-leaf of "nuance." If the killer was a Muslim, and the detective trapped him in a clever bit of Islamic theology, you can bet your buttons CAIR and other Muslim pressure groups would be screaming. Until Christians can organize the same level of consistent outrage — backed up with the level of physical intimidation Muslims do so well — they won't get fair treatment in media.
"Used" to own a gun? Get one now, dear. Quick. You have a fifteen year old at home. Who will protect your child if you cannot?
My mom had L&O on when I went over to her house the other day. I was tempted to take the fireplace poker to the screen after about 45 seconds.
Adam 12 is awesome. So is Dragnet.
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Whiskey, I do not understand where you get the belief that women don't like religion.
Is that what's happening? I thought the suspects confessed so they wouldn't have to hear his stammering any more.
I just tracked this episode down on zshare.net I thought it was very well done. I don't have cable and haven't watched the series for a few years now. D'Onofrio seems to have calmed down quite a bit, no crazy affectations. His face also seems to be a bit swollen, like he's on prednisone or something. Anyway, it was quite clear to me that they weren't blaming Christianity for the man's deeds. He was very obviously insane. It was fascinating to see D'Onofrio get the guy to see that it wasn't God's will he was doing, it was Satan's. I was pleasantly surprised.
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NCIS rocks….
I would recommend the dvd sets as well.
I have to 'remotely' disagree with Goren being a 'non-believer'. in a earier scene this season, Goren is shown with a extended family (to this point unseen in seasons past). He was taking grace at dinner time with this family. Perhaps a lapsed catholic. Still a believer in the faith, but not of the church itself.
CI has been the strongest L&O on the air. Not saying much though.
I only watch SVU for Mariska Hargitay.
And Stephine March is coming back.
CBS has been more 'fair' to religous views.
In NCIS Gibbs stated several times he goes to church.
This season on Numb3rs (very underrated show by the way) One of the leads, Don Epps (played by Rob Morrow) has recived solace from exploring faith in Judism.
And a few seasons back on CSI, Grissom (who has stated that he is a atheist early on in the series), saw and understood the other side of the argument when he corners a suspect in a church.
The writing on SVU and the main show have gone to crap! CI is the stronger of the three. I was amazed that SVU got a 10th season.
Good for you. A burn notice marathon this thursday on USA.
I was bummed out when Noth left (don't ask for back end deals with Dick Wolf). But Jeff Goldblum's character is suprising me.
or get a streaming plan with netflix. NCIS (and several other CBS shows) are on there.
I'll watch Law and Order when they do a show about Frank Lombard the gay guy who sold his adopted 5 year old son over the internet to same-sex perverts looking to screw children in the Kingdom Hollywood way.
(actually I won't even watch that because NBC is creepy-freaking no matter what is shown)
I HATE F**KING KINGDOM HOLLYWOOD
Yeah, where?
I like Law and Order very much, and C.I. in particular, but the writers are truly ignorant of what true faith looks like, or else too lazy to write well. What I laugh out loud at is whenever a Bible verse shows up, someone always seems to know the reference! This from characters (and writers) who probably couldn't tell you where the 10 commandments are.
Whiskey, I'm with the others here. I think women tend to be more religious. I'm a Christian in ideology, but not so good in practice. I pray for a good righteous woman to come along and sweet talk me into shape….
I'm a good woman away from greatness(I think! LOL). I know men are very often only capable of their best, when they have a wife and kids driving them to it. We mustn't let them down! Right?
Of course there's the flip side arguement that a person who is truly driven doesn't need a wife and kids to achieve and I'm very sympathetic to that arguement. I'm in the process of finding out for myself cause I don't care enough about women to chase.
They have developed D'Onofrio's character as haunted–that's why I can overlook the initial repetitiveness of early performances. As I said above, I am a fan. Agree, episode was successful.
Also like the Australian girl serial killer he has stalking him.
I'm with you. Do we have to be constantly exposed to mutilated corpses in various degrees of decomposition? Give us a break. We're smart enough to imagine how badly the body looks, depending on the crime committed. Sheesh.
As a former DA iand still sometime defense attorney in NYC borough who has family in NYPD, "L&O" depicts law enforcement and daily courtroom trials as accurately as "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" depicts candy production.
Politely, it's crap.
Where do they find murderous Wonderbread nonethnic white people in NYC? The producers apparently spend little time viewing reality in the city's courts. Sadly true murder is much more mundane and much less dramatic- disputes over drugs, domestic disputes, robberies. And as sadly most victims and criminals are black or Latino.
That weekly scene where the DAs confront the accused with all the evidence with his lawyer present and he prompltly fesses up NEVER HAPPENS. Any attonrey who allowed such stupidity would be disbarred. "L&O"'s poroducers call this "dramatic license". Once you're willing to allow a complete ILLEGAL UNREALITY , it's all downhill . You could as easily depict cartoon characters and space aliens solving crimes. That also would be "dramatic license".
+1 for actually getting that reference. I think I may be the only Catholic in a 500-mile radius who's read that book.
(The violent man in question is Moses, Bunyan's embodiment of the Old Testament covenant with God — the old Law demanded justice, not mercy.)
I find that to be more and more the case, sadly — people having faith in God, but no faith in His church.
They've implied repeatedly, as someone said elsewhere in this thread, that Goren is a lapsed Catholic — his faith in God is still there, but not his faith in the church.
Oh my. I cannot imagine sitting thru something like this. I haven't watched a tv program on network television in yrs. Well, maybe a few minutes here and there if someone has it on at their house, but I won't watch it at my house. Too much BS, and this is a prime example.
I think that was a little close minded Kipling. If you stopped watching after the 20th episode that attacked the Catholic Church that means you missed a couple of good episodes in seasons 2-12…
You've touched on one of the reasons I enjoyed the movie "Traitor" so much. It was one of those stories that really makes you think, that the "bad guys" aren't so bad as they are misguided. Which isn't to say they should be any less destroyed, either, shrug.
I love the show NCIS , very fast paced ,cast works great with each other, Mark Harmon(Gibbs) reminds me of my dad, dad used to get aggitated when a person states the obvious. Cote De Pablo is the (can I say this?) sexyist woman on TV.
You restore my hope that the classics are not dead! Best.
Perhaps I will rethink my position. : )
That doesn't sound so bad for a way to close the episode or whatever they do on that show…however, my concern is that any idiots who watch won't actually read into the theological argument in this episode and just think "derrrrrrrr, Christian bad! God bad!".
Looks like you did real good, Mom.
But I'd reconsider that firearm issue; seems like when the states go bankrupt, they're going to let the criminals out of the jails, and you are doing far too much good to pass under the thug's radar for long…
I'm glad I'm not the only one with a headache trying to understand this high-concept oxymoronic idea…
I'm with you, butler. The DVD and Netflix saves us here. Being able to entertain ourselves without the subtle toxins of Today's Hollywood is SO WONDERFUL!
But I did have TCM's "Strategic Air Command" on yesterday…Jimmy could have done his own flying in the movie…and maybe did…
Perchance, could somebody tell me again what I'm missing out on nowadays…
I thought this episode was very well done. The scene between Goren and the killer at the end was very intelligent and did not go for a sterotype. Loved it!
It was good with Briscoe and Curtis. Now, the line-up changes so much that I just gave up on it.
hell, I'm Jewish and I plan to attend.
LOL!
I don't care how middle of the road slight of hand it is portrayed. You cannot tell me that the whole intent wasn't to warp one's view of Christians and Evangelical Christians at that. It is done very slyly. Just plant negative thoughts in a person's mind in regards to religion…no matter what the ending. Pavlov couldn't have done it better.
The premise of the episode could have been created only by a writer who is has been disconnected from reality. Who thinks up characters like this? Really.
You have a rather myopic view of the world. Oh and stereotype is hardly logical or factual. BTW…I am A Christian Conservative…WOMAN!
I don't pay (buy tickets) or voluntarily (turn the channel to) films and/or programs that insult me, my beliefs, my country or my culture…I can get all those gratis by talking to liberals.
Sorry, Mariska Hargitay takes that title.
I can see it easly in my city of Louisville. I have friends who were abused by the church and the local catholic community and Rome still haven't admitted their trespasses. It's saddly easy to lose faith in the church.
For me, D'Onofrio will always be "Private Pyle."
We watch the "L&O" franchise episodes occasionally, when nothing better is on. The shows have suffered since Fred Thompson left for a return to politics — as he seems to have had at least an influence on dialing back the rife anti-conservative bias in the scripts. We happened to catch this particular "L&O:CI" on initial run. I have to disagree with S.T. Karnick, because I'd say the view expressed in this episode about Christianity was not as bad as it could have been but surely it was a neither fair nor realistic portrayal. The basic thrust I detected in the script was that Christian beliefs are closely linked to criminal insanity — a complete falsehood, as evidence from myriads of investigations demonstrates that serious Judeo-Christian faith is highly correlated with happiness, health, and mental and family stability. But that's the operating derangement afflicting Hollywood writers, the Bill-Maher-wacked-out view that serious conservative faith is a risk for psychopathology.
I'm a fan too, I have to admit. I've loved him ever since I was a kid and he played Thor on Adventures in Babysitting.
I've seen studies that say exactly that – that women are more religiously-minded than men, on average. This isn't always the case, of course, but moreso than the other way around.
He also played a cute boyfriend on that silly little movie, Mystic Pizza!
Three years ago I quit Law and Order because the leftist hate was just too much – it infected everything. So this little trick of (maybe) being sympathetic to Christians doesn't cut it. At best it's an accident, at worst it's a cynical ploy to trick us into thinking L&O has changed its stripes (it hasn't). At heart, L&O hates everything decent – America, patriots, faith, democracy, etc. I'm never watching this series.
Well, Freeman – I was going to say just what you said – but you said it first. You're right. L&O is against everything a Conservative stands for.
Haven't seen it. But from the description, it sounds like the "Christian" is having the other guy tell him what God is REALLY like — another case of Hollywood pointing out the "bigotry" and "hatred' of those who identify aa Christian. The REAL goodness, it sounds like the show is saying, is found in those run-of-the-mill folks who aren't Christians, while the "Christians" are just hypocrits who want to look good.
I've never watched the show, but this sentence is troublesome just on the surace:
"It concerns a serial killer who is a evidently devout Christian."
Sorry, but serial killers by definition are not followers of Christ.
How about a story about followers of Mohammad who murder unbelievers in obedience to that religion's teachings?
Oh, no, We can't have that. We might offend them!
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A saved, bible believing christian would not be a serial killer. What christian would think that killing someone sends them to heaven anyway, that is not even biblical. First hollywood should understand christians before they use absurd stories about them. Obviously if someone is a serial killer they are doing anti christian things, not based on the bible. This is just common sense. Thou shalt not kill. Saved christians don't kill people unlike islamic terrorists. I wonder if they would make the serial killer islamic? They actually do kill for their religion.
Any "CSI" just doesn't hold water compared to "Homicide – Life on the Street."
"twitching ham as is D'Onofrio."
It's good to know I'm not the only one who gets dizzy when I, because my wife loves him and I love my wife, try to watch this guy who always seems to have his head on a tilt.
Now THAT was funny!
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