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	<title>Comments on: CW&#8217;s &#8216;Supernatural&#8217; Presents Biblical Ideas in Dark Melodrama</title>
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		<title>By: Narcissus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Narcissus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 13:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ModernElegance, I understand what you mean when you say you started growing uncomfortable with where the storyline has been going, or rather, how it&#039;s been &#039;twisting&#039;. I honestly felt the same way myself, and I am a Muslim. I&#039;m not sure I can sum up here why I should be so concerned with what is an essentially &#039;Christian&#039; storyline, but my concerns are similar to yours. I firmly believe that God is all-knowing and possesses ultimate knowledge, that angels are good, faithful, and fully obedient &#8211; and these are the very issues that the show have been putting in the &#8216;grey area&#8217; all season. Also recurring often is the question of God&#8217;s very existence, and the increasing doubt of the angels has given it the most uncertainty of all, especially when Zach finally said that &#8220;God has left the building&#8221;. 
 
Technically, I have long convinced myself not to take seriously how the media or any fictional story represents religion, any religion, because as with any issue there will be the positive along with the negative, although I do give due thought to some of the points raised. However, I am a huge fan of Supernatural, and that is probably why my emotions came into play with respect to the development of the show&#8217;s religious storyline, especially in season 4. Personally, I choose to view Supernatural&#8217;s approach to religion as general, since it is the same general points that occur in many religions, at the very least, the issue of doubt versus faith is universal enough.  
 
These are just some of my opinions and I mean no offence to any party. I&#8217;m just a fangirl :) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ModernElegance, I understand what you mean when you say you started growing uncomfortable with where the storyline has been going, or rather, how it&#39;s been &#39;twisting&#39;. I honestly felt the same way myself, and I am a Muslim. I&#39;m not sure I can sum up here why I should be so concerned with what is an essentially &#39;Christian&#39; storyline, but my concerns are similar to yours. I firmly believe that God is all-knowing and possesses ultimate knowledge, that angels are good, faithful, and fully obedient &ndash; and these are the very issues that the show have been putting in the &lsquo;grey area&rsquo; all season. Also recurring often is the question of God&rsquo;s very existence, and the increasing doubt of the angels has given it the most uncertainty of all, especially when Zach finally said that &ldquo;God has left the building&rdquo;. </p>
<p>Technically, I have long convinced myself not to take seriously how the media or any fictional story represents religion, any religion, because as with any issue there will be the positive along with the negative, although I do give due thought to some of the points raised. However, I am a huge fan of Supernatural, and that is probably why my emotions came into play with respect to the development of the show&rsquo;s religious storyline, especially in season 4. Personally, I choose to view Supernatural&rsquo;s approach to religion as general, since it is the same general points that occur in many religions, at the very least, the issue of doubt versus faith is universal enough.  </p>
<p>These are just some of my opinions and I mean no offence to any party. I&rsquo;m just a fangirl <img src='http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nate Winchester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Winchester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ve held the show at arms&#039; length since they made the idiotic decision to have Dean and a demon discuss the idea that Dick Cheney is, if not a demon, at the very least hellbound.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Oh C&#039;mon, the actual discussion was: 
&quot;Cheney, one of yours?&quot; 
&quot;No, but he has a parking space reserved down there.&quot; 
Which no further outside a good natured ribbing that even conservatives put Cheney through. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imao.us/index.php/2009/05/myths-and-facts-about-dick-cheney/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.imao.us/index.php/2009/05/myths-and-fa...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I&#039;ve held the show at arms&#039; length since they made the idiotic decision to have Dean and a demon discuss the idea that Dick Cheney is, if not a demon, at the very least hellbound.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh C&#039;mon, the actual discussion was:<br />
&quot;Cheney, one of yours?&quot;<br />
&quot;No, but he has a parking space reserved down there.&quot;<br />
Which no further outside a good natured ribbing that even conservatives put Cheney through.<br />
<a href="http://www.imao.us/index.php/2009/05/myths-and-facts-about-dick-cheney/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.imao.us/index.php/2009/05/myths-and-fa.." rel="nofollow">http://www.imao.us/index.php/2009/05/myths-and-fa..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Winchester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Winchester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you can see by my blog, I&#039;m a big fan of SN as well, however I slightly disagree with you on some things. 
 
For one, the implication of the show is that what the angels are doing is not sanctioned by God. (I was glad that the throwaway line in the finale &quot;He&#039;s left the building&quot; was thrown in.)  So they are acting of their own violation.  Considering how highly He is shown to be prizing freedom in the bible (indeed, how could Satan rebel if he wasn&#039;t free to do so) this seems quite reasonable. 
 
Also, the show is quite realistic in portraying that things aren&#039;t always black &amp; white (though I like that they frequently have clear black &amp; white lines) but a difference in goals.  Zach &amp; co aren&#039;t evil per se, they want to end Lucifer permanently (which is good no?).  The catch is that they aren&#039;t concerned as much with what that will do for humans.  Thus the brothers are attempting to representing the human interest.  Imagine the angels as Godzilla attempting to defeat demons (King Gidorah) while the Winchesters are trying to keep humans (Japan) from being trampled in the cross fire.  Just because 2 sides are both good doesn&#039;t mean they can&#039;t have conflicting goals. 
 
Also, why would God&#039;s absence lessen His omniscience?   There is a wide line between knowing what&#039;s happening and doing something about it.  He works in mysterious ways doesn&#039;t He?  In fact, I think Supernatural represents a far more accurate depiction of God (especially under the Patronage model) than a great many shows (Yes I&#039;m looking at you Touched By An Angel) and find His portrayal to be fairly positive. (See episode: Houses of the Holy)  In fact, compared to some of the heroes in the Bible itself, the Winchesters almost come off as saints. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you can see by my blog, I&#039;m a big fan of SN as well, however I slightly disagree with you on some things. </p>
<p>For one, the implication of the show is that what the angels are doing is not sanctioned by God. (I was glad that the throwaway line in the finale &quot;He&#039;s left the building&quot; was thrown in.)  So they are acting of their own violation.  Considering how highly He is shown to be prizing freedom in the bible (indeed, how could Satan rebel if he wasn&#039;t free to do so) this seems quite reasonable. </p>
<p>Also, the show is quite realistic in portraying that things aren&#039;t always black &amp; white (though I like that they frequently have clear black &amp; white lines) but a difference in goals.  Zach &amp; co aren&#039;t evil per se, they want to end Lucifer permanently (which is good no?).  The catch is that they aren&#039;t concerned as much with what that will do for humans.  Thus the brothers are attempting to representing the human interest.  Imagine the angels as Godzilla attempting to defeat demons (King Gidorah) while the Winchesters are trying to keep humans (Japan) from being trampled in the cross fire.  Just because 2 sides are both good doesn&#039;t mean they can&#039;t have conflicting goals. </p>
<p>Also, why would God&#039;s absence lessen His omniscience?   There is a wide line between knowing what&#039;s happening and doing something about it.  He works in mysterious ways doesn&#039;t He?  In fact, I think Supernatural represents a far more accurate depiction of God (especially under the Patronage model) than a great many shows (Yes I&#039;m looking at you Touched By An Angel) and find His portrayal to be fairly positive. (See episode: Houses of the Holy)  In fact, compared to some of the heroes in the Bible itself, the Winchesters almost come off as saints.</p>
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		<title>By: GSRevolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>GSRevolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CW streams the episodes on their website. I sometimes watch them on there because I get the signal better than with my rabbit ears. </description>
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		<title>By: GSRevolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>GSRevolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(continued) 
 
Castiel is pretty much single handedly responsible for the surge in this season&#039;s ratings. Unfortunatly the character&#039;s popularity might have morphed into something real bad recently. He was supposed to stick around for only six episodes but they wrote new story lines after the favorable fan response, most of which have been pretty awful. Cas is getting turned into an angsty woobie along the typical Hollywood a-religious doubting format, espicially with the awkwardly painful episode &quot;The Rapture&quot;. Snooze. Please bring back the hardcore, demon-kicking, righteous angel we liked in the first place. 
 
But let&#039;s be honest, it&#039;s worth watching just for Castiel&#039;s trench coat. </description>
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<p>Castiel is pretty much single handedly responsible for the surge in this season&#039;s ratings. Unfortunatly the character&#039;s popularity might have morphed into something real bad recently. He was supposed to stick around for only six episodes but they wrote new story lines after the favorable fan response, most of which have been pretty awful. Cas is getting turned into an angsty woobie along the typical Hollywood a-religious doubting format, espicially with the awkwardly painful episode &quot;The Rapture&quot;. Snooze. Please bring back the hardcore, demon-kicking, righteous angel we liked in the first place. </p>
<p>But let&#039;s be honest, it&#039;s worth watching just for Castiel&#039;s trench coat.</p>
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		<title>By: GSRevolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>GSRevolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree utterly with all of this. I watched the show from the beginning, lost interest mid-season three when the tone started to shift, got back on board this season and mostly enjoyed it. The theology is all over the place, but there&#039;s enough good stuff in there to keep me interested.  
 
The recent swearing is pretty off-putting, even if yeah, it&#039;s in character for Dean. Still. Kripke really seems to like the idea that &quot;their angels are different&quot; in the sense that they&#039;re jerks and like to remind us of it frequently. Thus the fun with swearing. I could do without it.  
 
The political comments are annoying, yeah. But it&#039;s still Hollywood--what&#039;d you expect? They&#039;re mostly ignorable. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree utterly with all of this. I watched the show from the beginning, lost interest mid-season three when the tone started to shift, got back on board this season and mostly enjoyed it. The theology is all over the place, but there&#039;s enough good stuff in there to keep me interested.  </p>
<p>The recent swearing is pretty off-putting, even if yeah, it&#039;s in character for Dean. Still. Kripke really seems to like the idea that &quot;their angels are different&quot; in the sense that they&#039;re jerks and like to remind us of it frequently. Thus the fun with swearing. I could do without it.  </p>
<p>The political comments are annoying, yeah. But it&#039;s still Hollywood&#8211;what&#039;d you expect? They&#039;re mostly ignorable. </p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this show.  I&#8217;ve always wondered why it wasn&#8217;t more popular in the conservative / libertarian community. Yes, Dean is no saint, he&#8217;s just awesome.  He puts his life on the line to fight evil, to save people, because he knows what&#8217;s out there when most people don&#8217;t.  
 
My main wonder is how is Kripke going to film next season on a CW budget.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this show.  I&rsquo;ve always wondered why it wasn&rsquo;t more popular in the conservative / libertarian community. Yes, Dean is no saint, he&rsquo;s just awesome.  He puts his life on the line to fight evil, to save people, because he knows what&rsquo;s out there when most people don&rsquo;t.  </p>
<p>My main wonder is how is Kripke going to film next season on a CW budget.</p>
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		<title>By: CW’s ‘Supernatural’ Presents Biblical Ideas in Dark Melodrama &#60; It&#8217;s all about the trends</title>
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		<dc:creator>CW’s ‘Supernatural’ Presents Biblical Ideas in Dark Melodrama &#60; It&#8217;s all about the trends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 00:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A.Far</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.Far</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 10:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to watch one of the episodes of Supernatural now. You&#039;ve made me curious. </description>
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		<title>By: spacekicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>spacekicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 07:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I freaking love this show. I just started watching it last year and it&#039;s just incredible. Running around Xfiles style in a muscle car listening to classic rock and blowing away demons. Grandiose I say! 
 
The introduction of Angels has been phenomenal and the Christian overtones has had me thinking &quot;did they just say that? HOLY!!!&quot; 
 
Great show </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I freaking love this show. I just started watching it last year and it&#039;s just incredible. Running around Xfiles style in a muscle car listening to classic rock and blowing away demons. Grandiose I say! </p>
<p>The introduction of Angels has been phenomenal and the Christian overtones has had me thinking &quot;did they just say that? HOLY!!!&quot; </p>
<p>Great show</p>
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