The Wussification of America
by Spike Spencer*A detainee was shot in the groin with a BB gun during an interrogation incident. The interrogator had pointed it at the eyes and faces of other detainees before the emasculating testicle shot took place.
*A detainee was ritualistically beaten and left with a wound 7 inches around and 1/2 inch deep on his butt that required two surgeries. Apparently the detainee was told that it would “toughen up your hide.”
*3 soldiers stripped a 19 year old detainee down to his boxers and started firing BBs at him from about 5 feet away. They then tried to get the detainee to smoke marijuana and drink alcohol, which he refused.
*Soldiers made detainees lie down naked in a makeshift pool filled with six inches of ice water, beer, kitchen garbage, and urine. Other soldiers took turns standing on a stepladder above the pool and attempted to drop raw eggs into the mouth of the detainees lying in the fluid.
This torture is detestable! Outrageous! Unacceptable! Intolerable! And just about as stupid as the rest of the arguments about torture that are making the rounds on Capitol Hill right now.
Here’s your assignment. Replace the world soldier with “Frat Boy Jack Ass.” Replace the word detainee with “Pledge Boy Dillhole.” And replace interrogation with the word “hazing.”
There you go folks. The “torture” of our very own young college going skulls full of mush is, in my opinion, harsher than anything we’ve dished out to the worthless murdering sacks of pig poop that are the terrorists.
While we wring our hands and argue over pouring a little water down the gullet of a few bad guys, they are cutting heads off, beating, raping, torturing, burning, dragging and committing God only knows what other atrocities on our people and countless other innocent individuals across the globe. And we are the bad guys. We are the bad guys?
Granted, when our own young people commit these “acts of terror” on themselves, we laugh and thank Darwin for his insight. And when the terrorists do it to us, the left claims them to be “freedom fighters” or “insurgents.” But when we try to stop these bad guys using moderately aggressive non-lethal tactics, we are murderers, torturers, and “terrorists” ourselves. Well, I for one say, KNOCK IT OFF! Ya whiny little pansy apologists! We are in the right, like it or not. They are bad, we are good. It’s just that simple.
How in the world would we have won WWII with this nonsense? How would we have won anything with this attitude? Even the French could kick our asses. Even now, when we have freed millions and turned an entire country away from the abyss, the left just won’t let us be strong and dare I say it, manly. Okay, certainly we have amazing women out there tearing it up for us in the armed forces as well and to them I say undoubtedly you are amazing! And I can pretty much assume that you have bigger cojones than 99% of the left. Man or woman. But for this article I’m focusing on the masculine side of things.
In my studies of relationships for one of my books, I have looked at what it means to be a real man. And I have interviewed numerous women on the subject. So far everyone of them wants a “real man” and they all say they are hard to find these days. They are afraid to lead. Afraid to make a decision. Afraid to stand up for themselves for fear of what others might think. In a word, wussified.
Take Clinton for example. He was a congenial pathologically lying people pleaser. In my opinion, he did not lead. He tried to make everyone happy to the detriment of the country. Did women like him? Yep. He was the quintessential “bad boy” to them. Chick crack. But manly? Not hardly. Affairs, lies, appeasement, empty rhetoric with no action. Sounds wussilicious to me.
Take George Bush. Manly? Maybe. He did take bold decisive action. He did lead in a time of crisis. He stayed the course regardless of the attacks against him. He did what he thought was right and freed millions. He did not bow to terrorist threats. When he said “Bring it on,” the left had a hysterical clench-butted hissy fit. That was a MAN moment, my friends. You stand up to bullies. Well at least a real man will. You don’t try to appease that which cannot be appeased. You kill it before it kills you. Plain and simple. For that, I give him the credit that the left never will. We won. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. Oh, he’s also a faithful loving father and husband. And that my friends, is manly.
How about Obama. Well, is he a good loving father? Seems to be. Is he charismatic. Sure. Is he standing tall for the American way of life? Nope. In less than a hundred days he went back on his word for public viewing of budgets. He went all over the world cow towing to other countries obsequiously begging forgiveness for the previous administration’s fortitude and strength. Not too manly there, cowboy. He gave $900 million of our dollars, during a time of fiscal crisis mind you, to the Palestinians to re-arm and kill our Israeli allies. Instead of leading, he has sent love and understanding to Iran and the other terrorists around the world in a futile attempt to appease their wrath. Screw their wrath! They should fear ours. If we keep on this path of feeeeling; we are going to expose our metaphorical backsides. This is not leading. This is not standing tall. This is not manly.
Feelings are a great thing. It’s what makes us human. But sadly sometimes they are irrelevant. If someone invades my home and tries to hurt my family, I will kill that person. Regardless of how I feeeel about it. We have enemies who have sworn to kill us. They are trying to do so every day. How dare our leaders apologize to them. How dare the left blame us for defending ourselves. War sucks! No one wants it. No one feeeels good about it. But sometimes, we have to do that which does not feeeel good. And that is when we need a masculine leader. Man or woman. But they must lead.
So why can’t we just man up and stop tip toeing around all this PC crap? Because we have lost the ability to be men that’s why. We went through all that love me tender, touchy feely, share your emotions and feel your feminine side gobblety gook in the 60’s, and it has morphed since that time into where we are now. We can’t say men and women are different. We can’t make a move without making sure we feeeel good about it. As long as we are in touch with our inner child or at peace with the oneness that is the Universe we can start a dialog with the bad guys and see how they feeeel about themselves. And maybe if our inner happy touches their inner happy we can be one big family and get along and sing Kumbaya together.
Attention all my friends on the left. I hate to inform you that before you had the chance to belt out your first chorus, your head would be half sawed off. While you were trying to appease their inner Jihad, they would be ramming their outer Jihad up your tailpipe. So strap on a pair and, like Superman, let’s make this world safe for democracy!
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Well THERE'S the photo you want up on the screen when your boss walks past the cube.
Thanks, Spike!
OTOH, clearly something entered into willingly is quite different than an event that actually involves detainees. The difference is that between a kiss and a sexual assault. (Not that I disagree with the essential premise, but frat boy idiocy is clearly not equivalent to the same *actions* in a different context. – Also, frat boy hazing has resulted in deaths… I'm guessing that the reaction by the dead person's loved ones is not "be a man you wuss!")
"How in the world would we have won WWII with this nonsense?"
You're referring to the "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" history book where America freely tortured Axis prisoners. Very scholarly.
I like to think that jihadis entered into the situation willingly, by being jihadis.
Hey, they assumed the risk.
I have been using the frat boy comparisson for a while. The fact that this stuff is called torture says a lot about our society. Would i like this done to me? no. but i don't think it is torture.
One major difference is that doctors are usually not present during hazing events.
I feel sorry for young girls these days. The only men they see on film are either the swishy gay best friend or the fishy lipped, big hipped, squirrely metrosexual with the little plastic eyeglasses or the buff vain pretty boy with the spiky hair and a day's growth of beard who willingly cries at chick flicks.
Give me the John Waynes, Cagneys, Eastwoods, Sinatras…or anybody in the military. Now there's some real men fodder!
Good post and all sadly true. I will not leave my manhood at the outhouse door. I refuse to sing kumbayah, until the islamofascists, the namby-pamby's, the treehuggers, the media, PETA, the film actors guild, i.e., the left, sing at least ten stanzas and warble as if they mean it. Only then I will join the chorus with fervor and aplomb. Guess I can put off those singing lessons for at least couple of decades.
I feel bad for the kids – life and growing up is confusing enough, only to add all of this nonsense to the mix.
Interestingly enough, Mr Spencer compares the so-called torture with hazing- Virginia Military Institute used waterboarding as a hazing ritual for decades; General George C. Marshall was waterboarded in the 30's…
At some point reality should creep back into this debate; as long as there are people dedicated to your demise
you need to do what it takes to protect the innocent. One suspects even The One will learn this in time…
"as long as there are people dedicated to your demise you need to do what it takes to protect the innocent. One suspects even The One will learn this in time"
A reasonable position, but one which presupposes that The One isn't one of those "people dedicated to our demise."
Which he *may* not be, at least not in a militant, proactive sense. All indications to the contrary notwithstanding. But still not a bet I'd put all the chips on at the moment.
I heard Obama's response to Cheney's assertion that we got invaluable information using some of these techniques. Obama said, "We could have gotten the information in other ways…."
Of course the follow-up question was never asked, "What other ways?"
I'm sure that Obama's vast interrogation experience out-weighs the current professionals actually using enhanced techniques…..
Having grown up in Chicago, and seen various slime fests of Chicago democrats, I can safely predict that the Won will never learn, in this or in any time. He will, however, blame the next attack by jihadis against American interests on GW Bush.
Well said. I can't tell you how much I miss men. I blame the women of the baby boom generation who wanted men to be their best girlfriend with a penis. All we got was soft men and hard women. Great. Be careful what you ask for…….
There's a lot in this article that I disagree with, though I argee with the overall premise.
I agree that America is being wussified. Fewer and fewer people are willing to make hard decisions. Litigants complain about the slighest slight and want relief from the consequences of their own actions. Schools are more concerned with making children feel good about themselves than training them to succeed. Heck, politicians don't even point at the camera anymore for fear of appearing too aggressive.
But the debate on torture involves questions of morality, not masculinity.
Secondly, it is a mistake to say that a foreign policy that doesn't involve clubbing your enemies all the time is a wussified foreign policy. Many times, meeting your enemies face to face and resolving your differences through peaceful means is the best foreign policy. Wussification (i.e. cowardice as it used to be called) only enters the equation when you are unwilling to take the difficult actions that prove to be necessary.
Obama's kowtowing is unwise, but at this point it is not yet evidence of cowardice. In fact, based on his petulance, I suspect we will discover that Obama not only is not a coward, but that he instead has an itchy trigger finger.
salient point indeed. The '57 state' comment and bowing at the waist to the Defender of the Faith King Abdullah are extremely troubling. Faux pas? maybe. Then again the desire to gut our intelligence apparati
reminds one of The Peanut's reign and the concurrent witchhunts at CIA courtesy the late traitor Frank Church- again, things that make you go hmmmmm…
Let's not throw the blame to a generation. It belongs squarely within an Ideology of the Left that seeks power by inadvertent means. You could as easily blame it on the Pill.
I wonder what it will take for that itchy trigger finger to show itself.
I think you're right regarding Obama, I wouldn't label him a coward either. But I have to disagree with you regarding his petulance. He reserves it only for us and our allies. Yet when he shows up infront of foreign leaders that are somewhat less than enamored with us, he's got his hat in his hand begging for forgiveness. This tells me that if\when something happens that calls for immediate and decisive action, he will blame the USA first, and be the one to blink.
Not only are we becoming a nation of wusses, we are becoming a nation of passive-aggressive wusses, who are the the worst kind of wusses.
Hey knuckelhead…………..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x_-IoeSB-A
Not Over.
"Many times, meeting your enemies face to face and resolving your differences through peaceful means is the best foreign policy."
Agreed as long as you are speaking from a position of strength. Showing up with a suitcase full of apologies tells your enemies you don't have the resolve to stand up to them.
There is a difference between saying, "Please stop sawing off innocent peoples' heads, America promises not to offend you anymore…." and "Stop sawing off innocent peoples' heads or else…."
In the days of John Wayne and the others, the guys who were tough or manly, were that way off screen. Now we have tough guys on screen who would pick up a gun off screen with their index finger and thumb and their pinky sticking up in the air (if they picked up one at all). Their on screen personna is 180 degrees from their off screen one. Other than a few, like Bruce Willis, Clint Eastwood or a couple of others, they're essentially wussies.
"I suspect we will discover that Obama not only is not a coward, but that he instead has an itchy trigger finger."
Interesting that you should say that because I think that too. And I think that he is waiting to prove just how tough he is in that Chicago political bullying gangster kind of way.
I give up. I am either banned or blind, as my comments no longer appear after posting them. It would be nice to have a notice or warning of some such, although I can't imagine what offense I have offered, what trollism I have inadvertently inflicted on the I.D. gods, may they have mercy on my Dashboard Soul.
I am logged in at the top, and yet it gives me the name, email and website options as though I am not.
*le sigh*
Oh, well, of course it works now.
Like taking the car to the repair shop. . .
Here's the thing about Obama. He totally reminds me of many of the young lawyers I have known, in that he suffers from three bad traits that make a very combustible mix: (1) he is naive, (2) he is arrogant, and (3) he does not handle rejection well (petulance).
Because of the naiveté, he honestly believes that if he can just sit down with anyone, face to face, he can solve any dispute. He doesn't yet understand that you have to come into a negotiation with a strong hand (position of strength) if you want to succeed. So he is willing to kowtow just to get the negotiations going, even though this will ultimately prove counter-productive.
(cont)
Because of his arrogance, he thinks he can pull this off with his own powers of persuasion, i.e. rather than by carefully calculating offers and counter offers. This is why he can't explain to anyone exactly how he plans to win them over, he just assures us that "he and he alone" can do it. Thus, he sets himself up for failure. Experienced negotiations know that you need to very carefully plan out everything you say at a negotiation. Arrogant, inexperienced negotiators just assume they can wing it.
Finally, you rarely get what you want on the first try in negotiations. That's why good negotiators constantly re-evaluate, reconsider, and try again. But Obama expects to get what he wants and he does not accept rejection well, i.e. he becomes petulant. Thus rather than re-evaluating, Obama is much more likely than a more grown up individual to respond rashly or angrily, i.e. pull the trigger.
It's a very bad combination of traits.
Absolutely. It is virtually impossible to get a good result when you begin a negotiation from a position of weakness. In foreign policy, inability to get a good result will often lead to a need for military action.
I don't think the words coward/masculine are appropriate in discussing Obama regarding issues of national security. Obama is political and he will protect his base before protecting his country. After vilifying Bush, he will be very hesitant to declare war and/or use military force. Afghanastan and Iran are legacy wars, and for now, he can blame Bush while holding to Bush's strategies. Eventually, though, I suspect he will pull out of both countries to please his base and ingratiate himself to the world.
Further, his liberal world view is that man can bring about utopia through reason and dialogue and peaceful actions (with which I disagree). He doesn't believe in evil; jihadist are either victims or are misunderstood. He doesn't understand history or human nature, and therefore embodies the liberal narrative (the US is bad, that US imperialism begot terrorists, that the US deserved to get attacked on 9/11, that Truman is a war criminal for bombing Hiroshima and Nagisaki, etc.).
I don't think he has an itchy trigger finger. If certain world leaders take an increasingly aggressive posture towards the US in the years to come, it would mean that I'm not alone in this assessment.
Great minds right? He definitely comes from a background where proving that you are the toughest kid on the block is vitally important and where you smear/attack/destroy your political opponents.
He is still in a honeymoon period in terms of foreign policy. When that wears off, it will not surprise me at all if he calls on the military a LOT to solve his problems.
it isn't even a matter of confidence or cowardice, but of cluelessness. The 'itchy trigger finger' metality strikes us a apt; if you do not know, or have not experienced real world situations professional academics such as Obama actually threaten quite easily. When we are attacked again (and it's coming, folks) his reactions will most likely be instinctively incorrect. Confusion, mixed signals, denial and delay will be hallmarks. Then a completely inappropriate retaliation, either too small- or too large.
Biden predicted it, and like a broken clock is right twice a day so, too, will he…
I see that too, but below it on the right I also have the "submit comment" button. I just type my comment and hit the button and it posts — I don't keep signing in.
As for disappearing comments, for whatever reason, some of the comments will disappear UNLESS you make a second comment in the same spot. That's why you occasionally see blank comments from me — it makes the original comment appear.
I've sent e-mails on this, but have never heard back.
I would tend to agree and I think we saw glimpses of his itchy trigger finger in his little tantrums over first the Stimulus Bill resistance. Most people think he was joking when he spouted off with "Of course it's a spending bill what do they think a stimulus is?" I saw anger in that statement, or heard it rather. And I saw the same anger in his statements about the Tea Partiers protesting in St. Louis. He sounded on the verge of losing his temper.
I wonder what happens when he loses it entirely?
This is not an issue of cowardice per se. Obama himself is in no physical danger while the majority of US citizens and military are. If the fomer law school instructor goes down the whole "we can't be like them, equating waterboardings to beheadings (both torture, right?) then some innocent will suffer, not Mr. Self Righteous Obama.
Good points. I'm not even sure Obama knows what he wants out of any negotiations. Does he expect to just show up, dazzle adversaries with his smile and walk out with the gold key to the crapper?
This man's gross inexperience at leadership on any level will one day cost all of us.
Excellent series of posts Mr. Price. You get right to the meat of the issue with negotiations and you state it in a way most people can understand it. I hope you don't mind if I save it for posterity…
A: Our security policy belonged in the same bin as fraternity hazing, and this is supposed to make us feel . . . better?
B: We won WWII without waterboarding our prisoners. Just sayin'.
The liberal world view talks about "reason and dialogue and peaceful actions" but that's just talk. They do like military action, they just don't like military action that promotes capitalist interests.
Look at their history — hundreds of millions dead in the name of that same utopia: wars on several continents, mass exterminations, secret police that eliminate the opposition.
Even recent US liberal history shows a willingness to use military when it is for a cause that they think is good — the left used/wanted to use the military to (1) stop the "evil" Serbs, (2) stop the "evil" genocide in Rawanda, (3) stop the "evil" murderous chaos of Haiti and Somalia, etc.
Obama has already called out the military to fight the "evil" pirates. I'll bet it's only a matter of time before US troops are sent to Mexico to fight the "evil", "America-created drug lords". And then, who knows.
I would not be surprised if he will use them domestically more than internationally though.
We also won WWII only after dropping nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Are you advocating dropping nukes on Fallujah and Basra?
Other examples of anger:
1. He blasted the Republicans when they refused to vote for his budget because he wanted the political cover and didn't get it. They "put politics above the national interest" — i.e. they are disloyal or unAmerican.
2. He blasted Chysler creditors in vile terms for rejecting his restructure plan. He basically called them greedy, disloyal and accused them of trying to destroy the company rather than "make any sacrifice" — (they had actually already proposed taking pennies on the dollar). His minions went on tv and called them "vultures." Dirty, dirty "hedgefunds".
3. He's lowered himself to blasting individuals as well.
Open your eyes. WWII was fought against uniformed armys where the chain of command and rules of engagement were required. We are now fighting against an enemy that does not follow these rules whereby we can not use the historical methods. Forgive me if I fail to feel sorry for the jihadist that got a little water up his nose when all I can see in my mind is the torture and beheadings performed by thoses who follow "The religion of peace." Maybe we should have them run through a gauntlet line, that would teach them…
Kissing your enemies where the moon don't shine only gets you in a world of crap. I prefer to kick them where the moon don't shine until they get the message. That usually kicks the crap out of them. Works amazingly well and the wussies don't seem to get that. Maybe because their ortifaces have been exposed and used in a rather foul way and they liked it. Real men don't take crap from anyone or leave until the job of removing crap is done.
Thank you.
I agree with you on all counts. He has already proved that he will give mixed signals, deny, and delay. And as a nod to our trolls so I won't be accused of not giving any examples: He gave mixed signals in the "truth comission", first saying not we won't, then saying, maybe I am open to it, then, no we won't again. Denied associations with known domestic terrorists (no matter how reformed they may be), and denied hearing non-PC rantings by Rev. Wright for 20 years. I realize there are many more, these are just at the top of my head. And let's not forget that Gibbsey is having a hard time keeping up with the damage control of VP Gaff-a-lot Biden.
"Does he expect to just show up, dazzle adversaries . . . and walk out."
I think so.
And as I mentioned, what I base this on is my experience with many young (inexperienced)attorneys who honestly believe that you just walk into the room, start arguing, and soon the other side will give in to the power of your will. They tend to become disillusioned quickly.
From what I heard from Obama this past year or so, he sounds very similar to those young attorneys.
Fortunately, that's not allowed.
The Posse Comitatus Act (1878) prohibits the federal government from using the military for civilian law enforcement. That's why you have to call out the National Guard for disasters. The National Guards are under the control of the nation's governors.
Eerily, Bush tried to weaken this restriction toward the end of his term.
You can book it, JimBob!
We are a nation led by a bunch of liberal COWARDS.
I agree, excellent posts.
Then why was Gov. Perry pleading with Obama to use the National Guard for border security against the drug cartel violence? He got a resounding "we'll see" from Obama. Is it because he was asking to use them for a national security issue?
The nanny state has turned us into wusses. How did we all survive metal playground equipment with asphalt undernearth, riding bikes without helmets, playing with firecrackers, stting in any seat in the car without a car seat – or seat belt, playing dodgeball, getting an F, losing a game, doing chores for allowance and then saving up that money to buy something … shall I go on? Right now I seem to think most of the fault lies with the baby boomers and their parents. There parents were the greatest generation and wanted to give their kids everything. What they failed to give them was the schooling in the life of hard knocks and personal responsibility that helped make them the greatest generation. My parents and my friends' parents were a few years behind the boomers, so they were brought up like past generations and they in turn brought their kids up knowing personal responsibility and work for what you want. As a whole, the boomers were spoiled and they have brought their kids up even more spoiled.
who care's if its "tough" or if its "frat boy hazing". Its seems that a lot of folks in the US (and in our military and CIA) need to be reminded: The point of interrogation is NOT torture. This isn't a sadistic excercise where the sadism is its own reward.
The point of interrogation is simple: effectively obtain accurate information.
All of this obsession with "wussification" is for little man-boys harboring latent insecurities that they'll never be tough enough in the eyes of their daddies.
Not in San Francisco you don't. It might give the boss ideas.
This town is crazy. When the scandals broke over the maltreatment of prisoners, San Francisco lefties were in their best high dudgeon. Although I felt strongly that the soldiers behaved badly, I did tend to see it as frat-type pranks gone bad. But the horror expressed by the locals was unbelievable. I finally got tired of it, and asked one of them "do you seriously consider putting panties on a naked prisoner's head as bad as hanging, dismemberment and public beheadings of Americans and our allies by the jihadis?" She didn't bat an eyelash, and replied emphatically "yes!" That's when I first realized that there is no hope of reasoning with a lefty about much of anything.
yes- even the 'trolls' will lay off of this one. When constant manipulation of one's message is done for image enhancement only it leaves you with the subsequent 24 hour delay. You need to focus group everything- this is Clinton 101- and therefore you cannot make strong decisions on tough choices. Most of his fans will like this; they thought Bush to be a shoot from the hip type (not fair- we wish he were more like that) and he seems 'deliberate'.
As long as the MSM covers up for him he will appear quite thoughtful. It is when things careen out of the control of his handlers is when you will see the real guy…
My father in law served in the Navy for over 20 years. He molested his step daughter which made it a little harder to become Chief but he still did it. My sweet mother in law sat back and sent her daughter out to the foster system where my sister in law then was molested again. Not all men in the military are wonderful just as not all men in general are wonderful. Then again, the older I get the more I see we all are vile creatures. It is a wonder that God gives us mercy at all.
The left should have had the chance to see my football coach in action.
Don't worry, I kept getting weird messages the other day. I just leave for the day and come back to visit some other day.
while you are of course correct on Posse Comitatus be advised that this administration is very much looking for 'work arounds' on this. Quietly they are trying to put a civilian militia ala ACORN for 'domestic emergencies'. This is being spun as an emergency contingency for disaster relief but they are quite concerned that an armed land owning middle class would not be their ally….
It's the type of thing one ordinarily might overlook but with these folk who knows.
This country is crawling with little metrosexual wussies, scared they may actually have to produce something, become productive in a real way, out of bed before the sun, God forbid. We had better man-up and fast, appeasement and cowardice leads to disaster. A country cannot survive without a brain and a backbone. "Walk softly and carry a big stick." God help us we’ll need it.
I wish I could be as tough as you conservatives! Ohhh so strong, ohhh so manly. LOL.
By now it should be quite obvious that being a conservative equates with packing less downstairs. I mean, they should call it SMALL Hollywood fer chrissakes!
Bam!!
It's that simple
It is probably not what you have done but, what you have not offered to the I.D. God. Until you offer penance, you will be forced to wander the wilderness of the dashboard, junk yard.
Yes, Dan, you are likely right. I have suffered unto the extent of re-booting my Firefox and re-entering my passcodes, to no avail. So capricious and unheeding are they! Were they rightful gods, they would offer Rules and Obligations carved in code that we ignorant end-users could appeal to. Alas!
The real crime here is that The One and his lackeys have taken even the fear of torture off of the table. This is akin to the stupidity of Jimmy Carter telling the Soviets that we would never launch a first nuclear strike. Mutual Assured Destruction thus off the table, the Soviets moved quickly to expand their sphere of power into Africa, Nicaragua, and Afghanistan.
Similarly, the previous lack of knowing how even the tough Khalid Sheik Mohammed had been broken by his interrogators, which must have had a chilling effect upon aspiring terrorist conspirators , is now laid bare.
Exposing the psychological basis of our interrogation techniques strips us of more than just effective intelligence-gathering tools. It plays into Bin Laden's Weak Horse argument to his target audience in the Muslim world, which views reluctance to inflict pain as weakness.
Yeah, but you can't, which is what you get for being a deformed sperm. Tell me where you live, I might know a place where you can get a discount on a manipedi. Hey, why did your parent name you TEH?
Some critical distinctions have become blurred in the discussion about enhanced interrogation techniques, which thanks to the Obama Justice Department, have become common knowledge. First of all, none of the techniques revealed actually constitute the infliction of physical pain and suffering. It would be more accurate to describe the tactics as employing the FEAR of torture rather than actual torture. Waterboarding induced the FEAR of drowning without putting the subject in any actual phyusical danger; the detainee in the dark box suffered the FEAR that it was a stinging insect crawling on him, rather than a harmless caterpillar. It is telling that the protocol dictated that the interrogator could only tell his subject that it was a "stinging insect", but not a poisonous one.
I am sorry about your step sister in law, but what are you saying? All military men are like this? (I'm going to put on my "hardass" hat here)
What was the point of your story? Is the idea of masculinity akin to abuse here? If we are all vile creatures,whats the point of bringing up this one? Or were we supposed to do the liberal thing, and "there there" you?
And you weren't even the one abused. I wonder if your stepsister in law knows that you're peddling her pain for sympathy and veiled anti-miltary good points.
*MissQuinn*
I'm not 100% familiar with all of the facts of that incident. But most likely it was because border control and immigration are issues that fall under the purview of the Federal government.
There are three types of powers under the Constitution: (1) those that belong exclusively to the federal government (e.g. foreign policy), (2) those that belong to both (though states can only act where the federal government has not spoken), and (3) those that belong to states only.
Immigration and border control fall under the category of federal-only action (although some states are trying to push the envelop with laws affect illegal immigrants). Thus, if he had called out the National Guard, he would have exceeded his power. By the same token, he could not invade Mexico.
The "emergency contingency for disaster relief" is what I was referring to when I referenced Bush. He started that with the idea that the military might be needed in the event of a huge terrorist attack.
At the time, I thought it was a horrible idea. US troops should not be used for law enforcement within the USA. That's horrible for our freedoms, horrible for the balance of powers between the feds and the states, and horrible for the military — which should not be shooting at Americans.
It does not surprise me that Obama would adopt this policy.
You have the equation wrong. Enhanced interrogation is to provide leverage for information.
You want sadism? Look up what the Japanese or Cambodians did. It makes this post look like a walk in the park.
Ask KSM what enhanced interrogation did for him.
All your projection reveals your own fears. . . fear that maybe you will have to nut up one day and admit to the fact that what we have done here was to save your behind.
*MissQuinn*
I wish I could be as stupid as you — ignorance is bliss after all, but I didn't want to have 3/4 of my brain sucked out.
In 1964 I was a freshman in high school. It was a ‘tradition’ that incoming male freshman ‘volunteer’ to paint the ‘K’ on the hill. For ‘volunteering’ you were awarded a beanie cap. The cap might prevent you from losing your pants in the hallway, or having your head put in a toilet or…..
On Saturday the ‘volunteers’ showed up on the hill. The senior class showed up to ‘supervise.’ We were ordered to haul giant rocks back up the hill and place them on the K. While we toiled the seniors berated us. Several kids collapsed from heat exhaustion. No beanie for that qu….r! I had a bolder dropped on my hand when a senior pushed one of my contemporaries that was toting a rock. The skin on my index finger never really healed from that. The kid that dropped the rock cut his lip and chipped a tooth when his head hit the rock that hit my hand. The terrorists got off easy.
Again, thank god for the tough tough conservative who have the intestinal fortitude to advocate having someone else do the torturing.
I call myself Teh Stupid because I know how much you all exalt Stupidity as the highest form of patriotism and the pure antithesis of elitism. To you, Stupidity is authenticity. Thus, I call myself TEHSTUPID.
And Darfur. They would love for us to go in to Darfur.
It's a family name Skip, his grandmother/mother was named "Myrtle Teh" and his uncle/father was named "Igor Idoit."
It's a complex family tree, though it has few branches. . . lots of loops though.
I hope that's not the best you can come up with, Short D!ck
I had the log in problem too. I found that there was some kind of block on AOL. When I switch to Internet Explorer, I no longer had that problem.
Clinton and Carter both showed the same traits, and both did exactly what should have been predicted. Carter negotiated, whined, and pleaded, and when to his surprise it didn't work, he "pulled the trigger" with a badly planned, futile, and unsuccessful hostage rescue attempt. And he really showed the bad guys–he withdrew from the Olympics. Clinton fudged, waffled, charmed, negotiated and schmoozed, and when to his surprise it didn't work, he started lobbing missiles at aspirin and baby-formula factories. And to further demonstrate his alleged cojones, he ignored all his UN love-making skills, and put American armed forces right in the middle of a thousand-year old ethnic cleansing war. The worst thing about an arrogant know-nothing who eschews the lessons of history is that he repeats the mistakes of his think-alike predecessors. It's just a matter of time before Obama gets his panties in a twist, and goes for the wrong military attack, in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and for all the wrong reasons.
Do you have anything else you'd like to say, stupid? Any actual objection other than insult?
Then put your testicles back in your mothers purse and go away.
*MissQuinn*
OOOhhhh its a good thing you are so "nutted up" miss quinn. Maybe you should take them of your mouth!
A: It's supposed to illustrate that what the terrorists were exposed to is as life-threatening as frat hazing. And it still makes liberals wet their beds….
B: Do you think Truman is a war criminal?
Maybe if you spent less time worrying about the welfare of the bad guys in the dunk tank and more time worrying about Iran giving nukes to terrorists we'd be better off.
That post reads like a recycled PC/Wussification post from 1998. Get a new self aggrandizing theme please. Telling yourself the country rejects you because you are just too manly is laughable. Comparing hazing to torture? By your logic it would be alright for other nation states to use the above described 'hazing' techniques on U.S. military personnel because it is okay for fraternities. The U.S. military is an honorable and noble institution because we don't act as barbarically as our enemies so save the yeah but the jihadis behead people crap too.
not only adopt it, but completely pervert it… we all knew Bush's intentions were noble. This is another thing altogether and it is not good… they are hell-bent at stripping power from the middle class, be it tax policy, home values or gun ownership. This is to be received with utmost skepticism. We are monitoring this and will keep you apprised of what we see. Your assertions are indeed correct, the miltary of this country will not fire upon their own citizens. But a cadre of myrmidons given executive clearance is, quite frankly, terrifying.
What's disgusting is the recent revelation that the events of Abu Ghraib are NOT merely "a few bad apples". People like Miss Quinn here are part of America's shameful culture of sadism. Since the first televised pics of the airplanes hitting the Trade Center, there is a sick contingent that holds a knife into a woodblock, digging holes into it, just waiting to take their weird private demons on our "enemies" e.g. the first 500 "towel heads" that our special ops could round up in Afghanistan.
If we really looked into it, I am pretty sure that there are a few former or dead Nazis and Nazi and Japanese spies that might disagree with you on the "we did not waterboard" thing. I would even venture to guess there were a few Viet Cong and Koreans that could tell a few stories too.
I have ask this before and I will ask again again – Do you really think that this is the first time that we have done this?
Bid Laden is banking on the US being populated by weenies just like you.
My objection MissPriss is that the writer of the article BEGINS with insulting the masculinity of those who disagree RIGHT IN THE HEADLINE. He then pretends as though our boys in WWII were doing these sort of things when in fact, it was that generation that helped defeat the Nazis WITHOUT resorting to abandoning all civility and self-control.
Again, MissPriss, attacking the sexuality and the masculinity of someone who opposes you pretty much just means that you couldn't argue your way out of a red, white and blue paper bag.
This is why you have been losing elections. You are the cowards here – mortally afraid to actually address the issues.
Are you suggesting that Obama and his let's-make-it-up-as-we-go-along crack legal team would be bothered by something as piddly as the Posse Comitatus Act? That's one of those "outmoded notions" and "outmoded rhetoric" things that he dismisses with a wave of the imperial hand. He'll just do it if he thinks it makes him look good, then get the great Congress of Sheep to re-write the statute in a retroactive ass-covering. After all, Obama is very busy "re-making America."
Whatever happened to those POW/MIA flags back in the day? Do we even remember that? The whole thing there was that OUR BOYS were missing, that these reprehensible regimes had them locked away somewhere in the jungles WHERE THEY WERE BEING TORTURED! And yet we had a whole campaign that the Elitist Patriots were squarely behind.
Not so quietly, one of Obama's statements was that he envisioned a domestic force equal to the military. (I don't recall the exact wording) For what, I have no idea….
Sounds too much like the SS to me. If that ever happens, the very next thing would be gun confiscation, and this new "domestic militia" would be the ones kicking in doors.
Stupid, nobody gives a $hit!
Heck, if I was part of a bunch of terrorists who killed innocent citizens and servicemen of the US, I would be thankful this was all that happened to me. I consider what the Viet Cong did to soldiers during the Vietnam war torture — broken limbs, bamboo under the fingernails, firing squad, grisly stuff. Now it's "waa, waa, waa, someone peed on me…. waa, waa, waa."
Give me a break.
Miss Priss… sexist much? And nice work, CD. . .I knew the liberal guys here would resort to this.
Because even the Nazis were civilized. The jihadis are not. The Nazis were simply a twisted reflection of Western culture infused with racism and socialism. The Jihadis lack this. The only language they understand is force. The jihads are NOT the Nazis. And to fight them the way we fought the Germans is looking toward the past.
I just gave you your argument. Bag that.
Yes, we were mortally afraid to let a tough woman off the leash and fight for her in the face of a media driven gang rape. We were afraid to ask Obama if he was really something new or a Clinton Retread…We were afraid to be ourselves.
Though right now, in seeing the sexism imprinted in your true face, I see how scared you really are when we finally do become ourselves.
*MissQuinn*
I'm going to have to disagree on this one. I see Clinton, Carter and Obama as three very different personalities.
Carter struck me as weak willed. He negotiated and negotiated and negotiated because he wanted to do anything except call out the military. When he finally did call them out, I think he only did so because he knew he was going to lose the election if he didn't try something. But even then, he only used a small force and gave them defeatist instructions.
Clinton struck me as unprincipled and entirely unconcerned with foreign affairs. I think he only called the military in when the poll numbers told him it was a good idea, and even then he asked the Pentagon to figure out a way to do it with a minimal US commitment.
Obama strikes me as someone who thinks of himself as a tough guy. I see him as willing to use the military quite freely.
You're second description is Al Franken!
Ya, by beating them on the head with a copy of " Beware I'm Audacious" or whatever the hell the name of his book is….
Bin Laden? You mean that guy you never caught? The one who got away? You mean THAT Bin Laden?
OR are you referring to one of those Bin Ladens who Bush allowed to flee the U.S. when all the other planes in the country were grounded on 9-11?
Pleas advise…
"attacking . . . the masculinity of someone who opposes you pretty much just means that you couldn't argue your way out of a red, white and blue paper bag" — TEHSTUPID
Want help out of that bag idiot?
LOL ! You just smoked TEHSTUPID! Actually, he smoked himself. Nice work!
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