Jay B. – 2 words. Arianna Huffington

You trolls really need to check your work.

Good point. Why IS Mark Steyn writing in American political magazines about anything?

“How does an assertion that the GOP demanded and used the “with us or against us” meme turn into a great Rich blunder because Bush didn’t specifically say it. He wasn’t quoting Bush. He didn’t even credit the assertion to Bush. Criticizing a straw-man is easy. Read the quote:”

Exactly!!!!!!! And that was pointed out by a poster yesterday repeatedly but it looks as if his posts were deleted. I guess that happens when the author proven incorrect?

“(Though that’s exactly what the G.O.P. demanded of Democrats with Bush: You were either with him or with the terrorists.)”

I think it is certainly arguable that the GOP used terrorism and a “with us or for the terrorist” theme for some purely political purposes in several of the 2002 and 2004 elections. Like I say it is arguable but not a totally insane assertion.

“The Pakistani government has no real sovereignty there, but we cannot literally invade Pakistan – again, a nuclear power – without their consent.”

Seems like the perfect admission that all countries need to have nukes to ward off an interventionist rogue empire like the US invading them!!!!! The rest of the world is watching while the typical American watches junk on tv.

Ok, a few lessons in foriegn policy and geopolitics are moste definately in order here, your ignorance of the topic of which you speak is astounding. The government of Pakistan isn’t harboring Bin Laden, and never really has through this entire ordeal. It’s true Bin Laden is most likely holed up somewhere in the mountainous regions of Pakistan that border with Afghanistan, but the government of Pakistan has almost no control over that portion of the country whatsoever.

It cracks me up that for all the spouting off that libs do about “understanding other people’s cultures” the truth is most of you don’t understand squat in this regard and have no desire to educate yourselves.

Ok, if Bin Laden were in our country, holed up in say Wisconsin, yes, we would have a fairly easy time of going in there and getting him out. But this isn’t Wisconsin, this is a backward rural area in which almost everyone is heavily armed and fairly hostile towards the central government. There are no police officers there, no government troops, nothing but a lot of ill mannered folks with machine guns and assualt rifles who don’t take kindly to anyone they think of as an outsider coming in and telling them what to do.

Also one must consider that while the government of Pakistan has been cooperating with us as much as they can, the truth of the matter is that the central government is incredibly weak and terribly unstable. A really bad situation considering the fact that Pakistan is a country that has nuclear weapons.

So yes, we have had to be very careful on how this thing is approached because if we overplay our hand it is entirely concievable that Pakistan’s central government could collapse completely. It’s already come close to doing so twice now without any interference from us whatseover, and in fact if it weren’t for our assistance it probably would have crumbled completely by now, leaving a whole lot of hot headed reactionaries in charge and giving them nuclear capabilities. To suggest this as a proper course of action in regards to foriegn policy is in a word, retarded. We’ve dealt with Pakistan the way we have because we have few other choices.

In the future you really might wish to educate yourself about a topic before spouting off about it, it will prevent you from looking so completely foolish. Do yourself a favor, cut back on you kool-aid consumption and get over yourself, Bush isn’t in office anymore. Move on there, dot org.. lol..

And to get this discussion back on topic, I don’t find it at all suprising to find lies being printed in the New York Times. I think it’s far more an unusual occurance to find anything they print in their paper that isn’t either an outright lie or a carefully constructed obfuscation of facts to support their political viewpoint. In fact to call the Times a “newspaper” at this point is ludicrious, it’s merely a propoganda sheet for the Democratic party and has been for years. Small wonder their readership has declined so much.

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