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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 05:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s unfair to insinuate that he has a responsibility to create a &quot;sympathetic&quot; conservative championing an ideology with which he disagrees.  Why should any writer compromise his own values in his work?  That&#039;s like saying Ayn Rand should have written a pro-government, religious manifesto.  I disagree with everything Sorkin believes in but I say &quot;Let Sorkin be Sorkin&quot; .  . . (ok that&#039;s a really lame reference I know.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#039;s unfair to insinuate that he has a responsibility to create a &quot;sympathetic&quot; conservative championing an ideology with which he disagrees.  Why should any writer compromise his own values in his work?  That&#039;s like saying Ayn Rand should have written a pro-government, religious manifesto.  I disagree with everything Sorkin believes in but I say &quot;Let Sorkin be Sorkin&quot; .  . . (ok that&#039;s a really lame reference I know.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pamplin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Pamplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the West Wing and own the first five seasons. I loved The American President, I love A Few Good Men. Very well written with a great rythme....Aaron Sorkin? I would hire in a second BUT good not disagree with him more:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the West Wing and own the first five seasons. I loved The American President, I love A Few Good Men. Very well written with a great rythme&#8230;.Aaron Sorkin? I would hire in a second BUT good not disagree with him more:)</p>
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		<title>By: Anwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It certainly seems that Sorkin has some respect and admiration for the military--in The West Wing, and even in Studio 60, he depicts use of force as a) necessary and b) honorable and c) dependable (rescue of Studio 60 character&#039;s airman brother). What I wonder about the Jessup conundrum is how did Sorkin himself feel about the substance of Jessup&#039;s famous speech? Was he using it as a &quot;punchline,&quot; a ridiculous defense from a man willing to get an innocent if ineffective marine killed if that&#039;s what it took to produce discipline in the ranks, or was he trying to portray Jessup as a double-sided, twisted yet honorable character who was speaking the writer&#039;s beliefs about the ideal of the military?

The problem is that it&#039;s too hard to believe that any truly honorable military commander would have ordered that Code Red behavior rather than just transfer or discharge the problem recruit. The substance of his speech is part of the core of what the military is about, but it comes ill off the lips of a man who ignored evidence that there were more than disciplinary reasons why a marine was not up to standard, especially when he includes getting that marine killed as part of &quot;the way I provide&quot; the defense that is so obviously necessary.

In case it&#039;s not clear, I also have a love/exasperation relationship with Sorkin&#039;s writing. He really fell down on the job by the time he got to Studio 60--in The West Wing, at least, political diatribes were a part of life, coming as they were from political operatives. They also had some subtlety and wit. In Studio 60 they were forced and rehashed and far more shrill, not to mention rather out of place in trying to build a sketch show, and seemed to be leveled at anybody who&#039;d ever insulted Sorkin personally rather than sticking to ideas and principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It certainly seems that Sorkin has some respect and admiration for the military&#8211;in The West Wing, and even in Studio 60, he depicts use of force as a) necessary and b) honorable and c) dependable (rescue of Studio 60 character&#8217;s airman brother). What I wonder about the Jessup conundrum is how did Sorkin himself feel about the substance of Jessup&#8217;s famous speech? Was he using it as a &#8220;punchline,&#8221; a ridiculous defense from a man willing to get an innocent if ineffective marine killed if that&#8217;s what it took to produce discipline in the ranks, or was he trying to portray Jessup as a double-sided, twisted yet honorable character who was speaking the writer&#8217;s beliefs about the ideal of the military?</p>
<p>The problem is that it&#8217;s too hard to believe that any truly honorable military commander would have ordered that Code Red behavior rather than just transfer or discharge the problem recruit. The substance of his speech is part of the core of what the military is about, but it comes ill off the lips of a man who ignored evidence that there were more than disciplinary reasons why a marine was not up to standard, especially when he includes getting that marine killed as part of &#8220;the way I provide&#8221; the defense that is so obviously necessary.</p>
<p>In case it&#8217;s not clear, I also have a love/exasperation relationship with Sorkin&#8217;s writing. He really fell down on the job by the time he got to Studio 60&#8211;in The West Wing, at least, political diatribes were a part of life, coming as they were from political operatives. They also had some subtlety and wit. In Studio 60 they were forced and rehashed and far more shrill, not to mention rather out of place in trying to build a sketch show, and seemed to be leveled at anybody who&#8217;d ever insulted Sorkin personally rather than sticking to ideas and principles.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It must be a heavy weight, all that self-absorption. Having to write every line so that the fairly tale of liberalism breathes throughout.

On the other hand, it is fairly profitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must be a heavy weight, all that self-absorption. Having to write every line so that the fairly tale of liberalism breathes throughout.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it is fairly profitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Republican Reading List &#171; Unterekless Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Republican Reading List &#171; Unterekless Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hollywood discusses Aaron Sorkin (Disclaimer: I LOVE the West Wing and, even more so, Sports [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stage Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stage Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The love for Ainsley Hayes is appropriate and well founded.  As I said in my post, Sorkin CAN create a great conservative character and put amazing words in their mouth.  My point is:  Why can&#039;t Ainsley be the central figure?  Don&#039;t we think Ainsley Hayes, Senator from north Carolina would be a great spin-off?  But it doesn&#039;t happen.  Ainsley is great, but why must we only have Ainsley as the one voice of dissent?  How about Ainsley and all of her Republican staffers in their Capitol Hill office as the setting for a show?  And she can hire a Democrat as a junior aide, just to mix things up a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The love for Ainsley Hayes is appropriate and well founded.  As I said in my post, Sorkin CAN create a great conservative character and put amazing words in their mouth.  My point is:  Why can&#8217;t Ainsley be the central figure?  Don&#8217;t we think Ainsley Hayes, Senator from north Carolina would be a great spin-off?  But it doesn&#8217;t happen.  Ainsley is great, but why must we only have Ainsley as the one voice of dissent?  How about Ainsley and all of her Republican staffers in their Capitol Hill office as the setting for a show?  And she can hire a Democrat as a junior aide, just to mix things up a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheldon Gilman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheldon Gilman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ainsley Hayes has to be one of the most delightfully erudite characters of any political stripe seen on TV in a long, long time. No one is better than Sorkin. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ainsley Hayes has to be one of the most delightfully erudite characters of any political stripe seen on TV in a long, long time. No one is better than Sorkin. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: RArons</title>
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		<dc:creator>RArons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved Ainsley!! When WW began, my thought was &quot;wouldn&#039;t it be great if everyone in the White House was there because they were such single-minded, hope-filled, idealogues&quot;. And I mean that seriously. We hear too much about McClellan&#039;s book or others that aren&#039;t sincere in their service - what&#039;s in it for me... So, even though I hated their politics, when WW started I could enjoy the idea - and they weren&#039;t rabidly liberal, still feeling out their audience. But I didn&#039;t get past the re-election as a regular watcher. I was sad when Ainsley left, even though she showed up in Miami.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved Ainsley!! When WW began, my thought was &#8220;wouldn&#8217;t it be great if everyone in the White House was there because they were such single-minded, hope-filled, idealogues&#8221;. And I mean that seriously. We hear too much about McClellan&#8217;s book or others that aren&#8217;t sincere in their service &#8211; what&#8217;s in it for me&#8230; So, even though I hated their politics, when WW started I could enjoy the idea &#8211; and they weren&#8217;t rabidly liberal, still feeling out their audience. But I didn&#8217;t get past the re-election as a regular watcher. I was sad when Ainsley left, even though she showed up in Miami.</p>
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		<title>By: tsj017</title>
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		<dc:creator>tsj017</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no use for Sorkin.

His shows are interchangeable.  No matter what show it is, it&#039;s all about Aaron Sorkin.

&quot;Look at me!  Look how smart, clever and witty I am!&quot;

Yes, Aaron.  Anyone who&#039;s spent 5 minutes watching anything you&#039;ve done knows that you think very highly of yourself.

I&#039;d sooner go to the dentist than sit through anything with his name on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no use for Sorkin.</p>
<p>His shows are interchangeable.  No matter what show it is, it&#8217;s all about Aaron Sorkin.</p>
<p>&#8220;Look at me!  Look how smart, clever and witty I am!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Aaron.  Anyone who&#8217;s spent 5 minutes watching anything you&#8217;ve done knows that you think very highly of yourself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d sooner go to the dentist than sit through anything with his name on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Schippert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Schippert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps one of the many comments above captured this, SR, but consider the following perspective:

There&#039;s no need to wish for Sorkin to create such a hero. He already has. Sorkin has unwittingly created the hero in Col. Jessup (and not Tom Cruise&#039;s star character), just as Kubrick created the hero in Senior Drill Instructor Gunnery Sergeant Hartman and not Private Joker in &#039;Full Metal Jacket.&#039;

Think about it. When you and the vast majority of movie-goers watch these two movies, what are the lines and charcters they remember and champion most? Why, it&#039;s Jessup&#039;s &quot;You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall!&quot; and Hartman&#039;s &quot;You are nothing but unorganized, grab***tic pieces of amphibian ****&quot; and the like. 

Because, though Sorkin and Kubrick (et al) see the thi9ngs thhese characters say and do as repulsive, most Americans simply do not. THey see through the sheen of presentation and recognize the characatures being fed to them and see something else. Strong, assertive, masculine and courageous.

Because the bottom line is that we DO need them on that wall, and we DO need Marine recruits brokken down to their lowest common denominator to be built back up before plunging into warfare, where there are no screenwriters or congressmen to write and complain in the heat of battle. 

We do not see the Hartmans and Jessups as the psychotics they are presented to us as.  We sinmply don&#039;t. 

And that&#039;s why with both of these contemporary films, neither is remembered by the consuming public for the lofty, lefty reasons the screenwriters, producers and directors intended. Ratrher, they are remembered for the men - the characters - whom they tried to sully in two overarchingly anti-military movies.

And this reality makes me smile as a veteran Marine. Most of us still get it, no matter who incessantly the anti-military, anti-conservative messages are thrown at us in popular culture. Our brains still function independently.

Sorkin and Kubrick make me smile, not frown.  And I doubt they even get it. All the merrier.

Semper Fi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps one of the many comments above captured this, SR, but consider the following perspective:</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no need to wish for Sorkin to create such a hero. He already has. Sorkin has unwittingly created the hero in Col. Jessup (and not Tom Cruise&#8217;s star character), just as Kubrick created the hero in Senior Drill Instructor Gunnery Sergeant Hartman and not Private Joker in &#8216;Full Metal Jacket.&#8217;</p>
<p>Think about it. When you and the vast majority of movie-goers watch these two movies, what are the lines and charcters they remember and champion most? Why, it&#8217;s Jessup&#8217;s &#8220;You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall!&#8221; and Hartman&#8217;s &#8220;You are nothing but unorganized, grab***tic pieces of amphibian ****&#8221; and the like. </p>
<p>Because, though Sorkin and Kubrick (et al) see the thi9ngs thhese characters say and do as repulsive, most Americans simply do not. THey see through the sheen of presentation and recognize the characatures being fed to them and see something else. Strong, assertive, masculine and courageous.</p>
<p>Because the bottom line is that we DO need them on that wall, and we DO need Marine recruits brokken down to their lowest common denominator to be built back up before plunging into warfare, where there are no screenwriters or congressmen to write and complain in the heat of battle. </p>
<p>We do not see the Hartmans and Jessups as the psychotics they are presented to us as.  We sinmply don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why with both of these contemporary films, neither is remembered by the consuming public for the lofty, lefty reasons the screenwriters, producers and directors intended. Ratrher, they are remembered for the men &#8211; the characters &#8211; whom they tried to sully in two overarchingly anti-military movies.</p>
<p>And this reality makes me smile as a veteran Marine. Most of us still get it, no matter who incessantly the anti-military, anti-conservative messages are thrown at us in popular culture. Our brains still function independently.</p>
<p>Sorkin and Kubrick make me smile, not frown.  And I doubt they even get it. All the merrier.</p>
<p>Semper Fi.</p>
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