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	<title>Comments on: Leftist Nihilism Strikes the Hollywood Comedy</title>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, you almost make a point but in the rpocess you demonstrate a lack of knowledge on backround.  You have the relationship between Felix and Oscar backwards.  Do you have an editor? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you almost make a point but in the rpocess you demonstrate a lack of knowledge on backround.  You have the relationship between Felix and Oscar backwards.  Do you have an editor?</p>
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		<title>By: Bennett Marco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bennett Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They were sort of a proto-Rat Pack -- except with no singers, and one guy (Flynn) getting all the girls. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were sort of a proto-Rat Pack &#8212; except with no singers, and one guy (Flynn) getting all the girls.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tublecane -  
  
I suppose you&#039;re right. I was born in 1983 so I guess you can say I grew up in the late 80s. Thanks to my dad, I became well acquainted (albeit via edited for TV broadcasts) with Caddyshack, The Blues Brothers, Animal House, Ghostbusters, etc.  
  
I also went to film school so usually the conversations I have with friends from school are peppered with gratuitous Aliens/Terminator/Star Trek/Star Wars quotes, too. :-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tublecane &#8211;  </p>
<p>I suppose you&#039;re right. I was born in 1983 so I guess you can say I grew up in the late 80s. Thanks to my dad, I became well acquainted (albeit via edited for TV broadcasts) with Caddyshack, The Blues Brothers, Animal House, Ghostbusters, etc.  </p>
<p>I also went to film school so usually the conversations I have with friends from school are peppered with gratuitous Aliens/Terminator/Star Trek/Star Wars quotes, too. <img src='http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tublecane</title>
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		<dc:creator>tublecane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That means that John Doe DIDN&#039;T complete his &#039;masterpiece&#039; because wrath was never killed.&quot; 
 
Can&#039;t we imagine Pitt will get the death penalty? I know some cop says, &quot;We&#039;ll take care of him,&quot; or something, but still. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;That means that John Doe DIDN&#039;T complete his &#039;masterpiece&#039; because wrath was never killed.&quot; </p>
<p>Can&#039;t we imagine Pitt will get the death penalty? I know some cop says, &quot;We&#039;ll take care of him,&quot; or something, but still.</p>
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		<title>By: tublecane</title>
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		<dc:creator>tublecane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When I think of nihilistic movies I think of films like &#039;Se7en.&#039;&quot; 
 
It seems that way when Paltrow says she wants to abort her kid so that it won&#039;t grow up in this world, and especially after the climax. But Freeman saves it right at the end when he says the world is worth saving. He&#039;s our hero. 
 
Although, he is childless and a bit cold and empty, so I don&#039;t know. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;When I think of nihilistic movies I think of films like &#039;Se7en.&#039;&quot; </p>
<p>It seems that way when Paltrow says she wants to abort her kid so that it won&#039;t grow up in this world, and especially after the climax. But Freeman saves it right at the end when he says the world is worth saving. He&#039;s our hero. </p>
<p>Although, he is childless and a bit cold and empty, so I don&#039;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: tublecane</title>
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		<dc:creator>tublecane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On a slightly unrelated note, I was thinking about this the other day. As funny as some of today&#039;s comedies are, where are the funny catchphrases? Where are the lines we&#039;ll be quoting 20 years from now? I&#039;m talking about &#039;He slimed me&#039; and &#039;Don&#039;t call me Shirley&#039; and all of Dangerfield&#039;s dialogue in Caddyshack.&quot; 
 
I&#039;m guessing you grew up in the 80s, given the vintage of you quotes. What you have to realize is quotes are for teenagers and immature 20-somethings. And since you didn&#039;t see Apatow movies in your teen years, of course you wouldn&#039;t quote them. 
 
I can remember a whole lot of Simpsons (and Big Lebowski, for that matter, which has popped up a lot on this thread) thrown around when I was in high school, which makes perfect sense given that we had all been watching the show since we were 7. If you go to a high school or college campus today, I bet you&#039;d find at least as much Apatow as Caddyshack or Simpson. Well, maybe not The Simpsons, since it&#039;s still on, but you get the point. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;On a slightly unrelated note, I was thinking about this the other day. As funny as some of today&#39;s comedies are, where are the funny catchphrases? Where are the lines we&#39;ll be quoting 20 years from now? I&#39;m talking about &#39;He slimed me&#39; and &#39;Don&#39;t call me Shirley&#39; and all of Dangerfield&#39;s dialogue in Caddyshack.&quot; </p>
<p>I&#39;m guessing you grew up in the 80s, given the vintage of you quotes. What you have to realize is quotes are for teenagers and immature 20-somethings. And since you didn&#39;t see Apatow movies in your teen years, of course you wouldn&#39;t quote them. </p>
<p>I can remember a whole lot of Simpsons (and Big Lebowski, for that matter, which has popped up a lot on this thread) thrown around when I was in high school, which makes perfect sense given that we had all been watching the show since we were 7. If you go to a high school or college campus today, I bet you&#39;d find at least as much Apatow as Caddyshack or Simpson. Well, maybe not The Simpsons, since it&#39;s still on, but you get the point.</p>
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		<title>By: AtheistCon</title>
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		<dc:creator>AtheistCon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, of course if you present a character who needs to grow up ... they need to grow up.  
 
My problem with the presentation is that it&#039;s tiresome and cliched. The man is all out-of-sorts, and needs the joys of being latched to a babymaker and to surrender all his individuality and free will to &#039;grow up&#039;. It&#039;s just how things always are now: the man is the goof, the buffoon, the moron, and the woman the eye-rolling picture of calm, poise, serenity, and wisdom. 
 
Heigl&#039;s character had minimal flaws - she freaked out a little about being a mom, but spent most of the movie complaining that manchild hadn&#039;t grown up yet. Having one scene where you get yelled at, and then the yeller apologizes and toes the line, is not getting &#039;shown up&#039;. 
 
And the Leslie Mann character was completely baffling to me. How was Paul Rudd&#039;s character an ass? I&#039;d scheme to get away from that horror too. But, of course, at the end he admits he&#039;s in the wrong too. Hooray. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, of course if you present a character who needs to grow up &#8230; they need to grow up.  </p>
<p>My problem with the presentation is that it&#039;s tiresome and cliched. The man is all out-of-sorts, and needs the joys of being latched to a babymaker and to surrender all his individuality and free will to &#039;grow up&#039;. It&#039;s just how things always are now: the man is the goof, the buffoon, the moron, and the woman the eye-rolling picture of calm, poise, serenity, and wisdom. </p>
<p>Heigl&#039;s character had minimal flaws &#8211; she freaked out a little about being a mom, but spent most of the movie complaining that manchild hadn&#039;t grown up yet. Having one scene where you get yelled at, and then the yeller apologizes and toes the line, is not getting &#039;shown up&#039;. </p>
<p>And the Leslie Mann character was completely baffling to me. How was Paul Rudd&#039;s character an ass? I&#039;d scheme to get away from that horror too. But, of course, at the end he admits he&#039;s in the wrong too. Hooray.</p>
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		<title>By: Dudley Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dudley Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree completely with your assessment of the movies, and enjoy Apatow&#039;s work in general very much.  Larry Sanders was pretty nihilistic (but hilarious), Freaks and Geeks had as much heart as any show I&#039;ve ever seen.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree completely with your assessment of the movies, and enjoy Apatow&#039;s work in general very much.  Larry Sanders was pretty nihilistic (but hilarious), Freaks and Geeks had as much heart as any show I&#039;ve ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: tublecane</title>
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		<dc:creator>tublecane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I recall a columnist writing about how teenage girls are devouring the abstinence-oriented, chaste relationship in the Twilight books&quot; 
 
Though the books appear to promote abstinence, they also transvaluate vampires, traditionally monsters, into heroes. Talk about nihilism: you can&#039;t even call monsters monsters anymore. (/sarcasm)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I recall a columnist writing about how teenage girls are devouring the abstinence-oriented, chaste relationship in the Twilight books&quot; </p>
<p>Though the books appear to promote abstinence, they also transvaluate vampires, traditionally monsters, into heroes. Talk about nihilism: you can&#39;t even call monsters monsters anymore. (/sarcasm)</p>
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		<title>By: tublecane</title>
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		<dc:creator>tublecane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s way overboard to refer to ridiculing things people hold dear--which, by the way, is a big part of the whole purpose of comedy--as &quot;nihilism&quot;. Nevermind the more literal definition of believing in nothing. I can accept calling people who believe there is no basis for any value nihilists. Perhaps moral relativists would be better, but fine.  
 
However, isn&#039;t it a bit of a stretch to jump from not having any values to ridiculing some values? I don&#039;t care how little the soulless man-boy hedonists in &quot;Knocked Up&quot; or &quot;I Love You, Man&quot; changed. They certainly weren&#039;t confirmed in all of their beliefs. In other words, there were other voices, voices upholding traditional values, implied or explicit, in the films. You&#039;d have to be covering your ears not to hear it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#039;s way overboard to refer to ridiculing things people hold dear&#8211;which, by the way, is a big part of the whole purpose of comedy&#8211;as &quot;nihilism&quot;. Nevermind the more literal definition of believing in nothing. I can accept calling people who believe there is no basis for any value nihilists. Perhaps moral relativists would be better, but fine.  </p>
<p>However, isn&#039;t it a bit of a stretch to jump from not having any values to ridiculing some values? I don&#039;t care how little the soulless man-boy hedonists in &quot;Knocked Up&quot; or &quot;I Love You, Man&quot; changed. They certainly weren&#039;t confirmed in all of their beliefs. In other words, there were other voices, voices upholding traditional values, implied or explicit, in the films. You&#039;d have to be covering your ears not to hear it.</p>
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