The Most Powerful Weapon
by Schizoid MannDuring the Cold War, a slew of movies came out that dealt with the possibility of a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union. This is not surprising since the atom and hydrogen bombs were the most powerful weapons ever devised by man. Well, almost.
I’ll get to that somewhat nervy assertion in a bit, but first a little background.
Among the cinematic slew released during those years of cold, are two of my favorite films, Dr. Strangelove and Fail-Safe. Both dealt with strikingly similar themes, unintentional nuclear holocaust, yet in entirely different tones. But cold war themes weren’t that varied by their very nature, since inevitably the worst case scenario was the best case plot device and nothing brings down the house like bringing down the house.
With that said, still, there’s so much similarity between the two stories that law suits were indeed filed and production schedules slowed. This worked out to Stanley Kubrick’s advantage as his Dr. Strangelove: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb was released almost a year ahead of Sidney Lumet’s Fail-Safe. In my opinion Kubrick’s is a better film than Lumet’s and not due to slowed schedules, either. But both are magnificent, and because of their approaches to the topic, very different and essential part of the genre.
Based on Peter George’s novel Red Alert, Dr. Strangelove is, if there’s anyone alive out there who still hasn’t seen it yet, a comedy. The novel, however, is not satire and does not even contain a Strangelove at all, since Terry Southern who worked on the script with Kubrick and George, added that character during pre-production.
Fail-Safe, based on a novel by the same name, was written by two gents who do not have the same name, namely Eugene Burdick and Harvey Wheeler. When George Clooney re-enacted this story in LIVE television format, which I personally think was a marvelous idea, he enlisted the help of veteran broadcaster and news legend Walter Kronkite to introduce the landmark teleplay. Kronkite brought weight and nostalgia to the production, he also brought a big flub. As he concluded his up to then flawless introduction of ‘what you are about to see’, he awkwardly stumbled and stammered with the authors’ names. Well, that’s LIVE television, warts and all. Nobody’s perfect, least of all television icons. And it didn’t harm the presentation at all. It probably even made it more enjoyable, if one can use that term with a story about nuclear holocaust. Judging by Dr. Strangelove, that’s exactly what Kubrick wanted us to do.
By a strange coincidence both of these films were foolishly screened one after the other at Harvard Square’s famous Brattle Theater. I had seen them both before several times each, so I knew them backwards and forwards. I also knew one was a comedy and one was decidedly not, though the endings were not all that different, in fact, the comedy turned out a whole lot worse in the end.
The folks that work at the Brattle, probably still to this day, are a smug lot. Using the current vernacular, snarky might even be a way to describe them. Naturally, most are students at Harvard and quite confident in making profound statements they’ve overheard (that one I borrowed from Gene Kelly in An American in Paris, if anyone’s checking). When I saw the lineup with Dr. Strangelove scheduled first, I knew then what many of you who know these films are thinking now, that the staff at Brattle either hadn’t yet seen the films, or they had and were just smug and snarky enough to think it would be cool in this order. For either error, they deserved to be gingerly removed from their employment with the finesse of a General Ripper or a ‘Bat’ Guano, warts and all.
Now, there are very few times when I’ve felt the need to walk out of a movie before the credits finished. Much fewer times due to reasons other than the quality of the film. Well, one such occasion happened here in Japan. At approximately the same time that the quite serious staff of the Tokyo International Film Festival scheduled a screening of Lawrence of Arabia an earthquake was scheduled by the even more serious staff of mother nature. Colonel Lawrence, having just seen the horrors left by the Turks at Tafas was about to echo his famous “No prisoners!” yawp, when the screen went black, then white, then the chandeliers in the theater started swaying like we were on an ocean liner in the wrong part of town. All I could think of was The Poseidon Adventure. I knew, prisoners or no, it was time to get out of that cavalcade of stars. The last person I would want to be was that guy hanging from an upside down dining room table who ended up in the stained glass. That was one time I left a screening early. The other was at the Brattle. It was during Fail-Safe after Dr. Stranglove had already played. Their clever lineup. No, there was no earthquake and only one prisoner. Me. I opted to stay and slog it out. Maybe the overly snarky crowd, I thought, which had laughed way too loudly in classic ‘look at me, I get it’ fashion with the subtle humor of Kubrick’s would settle down a bit with Lumet. Well, so much for that idea. What followed was constant, again, much-too-loud snickering and feigned muffled laughter by the Ivy proud crowd. I couldn’t take it, so I left. The fools, the mad fools let the comic tone of Dr. Strangelove poison the same serious message that Fail-Safe emitted with fatal solemnity. The horror was negated by the association. I was pissed. And I’m pretty darn sure Henry Fonda – as the President – would’ve been, too.
Dr. Strangelove, enjoyable masterpiece that is it, was of course not intended to frighten. Well, not really. You could say it was intended to frighten about as much as 2001: A Space Odyssey, the most expensive movie about religion ever made, was intended to evoke prayer. The story goes that Kubrick was making Dr. Strangelove as a serious narrative when he felt that it was just so absurd and yet so very possible, that he had to make it a comedy, the irony of it was just too funny.
Fail-Safe was another matter, though. Not filled to the brim with over the top characters with clever names, it very clearly laid out the ease with which a nuclear war could be started, not by purposeful insanity, nor tampering with bodily fluids, but by accident, and even with the best intentions and correct safe guards in place. To human eyes, working flawlessly, by the numbers.
The U.S. Air Force had a disclaimer on the film stating that what you have seen could not happen. Dr. Strangelove had a similar disclaimer that Kubrick was all too happy to include feeling it lent even more gallows humor to his already hilarious film. He was right. It did.
Well, let me stop for a second. I have a confession to make. I lied. There’s another cold war film that I was fully planning on mentioning and is of particular interest here. In fact, it’s the reason for the whole darn thing. So, I apologize with the sincerity of a Merkin Muffley. This film is not a comedy, nor a drama but rather a TV documentary. It’s called The War Game. It was made by Peter Watkins and originally scheduled to be released in 1966 on the BBC. It’s what could be described as a docudrama or dramatization. But, we’ll call it a documentary because if [Ray Bradbury's Stolen Title] 9/11 is called a documentary, then this certainly is. And like all documentaries, it’s meant to sway.
For those who haven’t seen it, I won’t spoil it. But I will say, what happens to us, to England specifically, isn’t pretty.
In documentary fashion, and using an omnipresent “voice-of-God” narration the film shows what precautions and procedures are in place in the event of a nuclear emergency, in this case, an exchange of hostilities with tactical nuclear weapons between NATO and those forces of communist Soviet Union and China. It interweaves man-in-the-street bits, creating a very realistic portrayal of then contemporary English urban and suburban life as only a Richard Lester could appreciate. These go on to show what the average person was thinking in terms of perceived threat. Experts are interviewed – civil defense and emergency services workers, politicians and theologians. Many of the ‘expert’ interviews, particularly the ones that keenly show the message of disparity between wishful thinking and reality, do not provide us with real names, but rather titles to match their out-of-place statements such as ‘the war of the just’ by ‘an Anglican Bishop’ or the American nuclear strategist’s belief that both sides in a war would refrain from destroying cities. These staid interviews are contrasted effectively with the fire, flying debris and screams as well as with the narration that shares information with us such as, ‘in this car a family is burning alive’ or ‘these men are dying’, as if we didn’t know already.
There’s a wide range of citizenry shown, rich and poor, educated and not. A lot of opinions are expressed, some sound, others not, and none of them are from experience. The film then goes on to graphically provide that.
The ensuing chaos and horror is remarkably realistic in its incoherence. When Kubrick made Dr. Strangelove, he wanted the defensive missile strike on Major Kong’s B-52 to be incomprehensible, chaotic, out of focus and over modulated. Going against conventional filmmaking, Kubrick didn’t want us to know what was happening. He wanted real.
With exception to the narration, much of The War Game mirrors Kubrick’s approach and philosophy as if he had been lobbing grenades at the cameraman himself.
The film was met with tremendous resistance from within BBC, a thoroughly more responsible outfit in those days, and from the British government itself, keen not to highlight the fact that nuclear war is not something that can be mopped up quickly and that no nation can adequately prepare for war, conventional or nuclear.
The director Watkins resigned over this resistance and the film was not shown on that network until 1985. It is noteworthy that it is during the Reagan and Thatcher years, not the liberal and labour party administrations of the 1960s and 1970s of Britain and the U.S., that the ban was lifted on this harshly critical-of -government, distinctly anti-nuclear film and finally allowed to be shown to the public. However, it did get limited private exposure during the banned years of Liberal party administrations by making the college circuit rounds and being shown to film critics by prints provided by Watkins himself. His work would go on to receive not only accolades but awards by these same critics, most likely enjoying the privilege of seeing something banned by the government and the BBC.
From the outset, the film, like all film, is designed to influence thinking. That it was scheduled for the anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima makes this fact no secret at all.
The film’s fictional deadline of when the festivities were to occur if we didn’t disarm in 1966 came and went. So did ‘76, ‘86, ‘96 and 2006. A lot of years has passed since this warning of imminent extinction if we didn’t act immediately to disarm. 43 years in fact, have passed. So have a few other things like the Berlin Wall and the Soviet Union. Ronald Reagan had a lot to do with those. A very big heaping ‘a lot’, if you ask me. But whether you want to debate that or not, like the end of the world, it’ll have to be postponed for another doomsday. What’s important, to paraphrase Reagan himself, is not who takes the credit for preventing nuclear holocaust, but that it was prevented. The super power nuclear exchange did not happen. The film’s message was a misfire. We all know, however, that the new threats we face today are just as possible and just as destructive as the previous ones that The War Game effectively addressed. I’m afraid, as horrible as The War Game suggests, in reality, it will be a whole lot worse.
There is a lot of emotion connected with any discussion of a war more nuclear than conventional. And that’s as it should be, I suppose. Because unlike any other weapon system, nuclear weapons have lingering effects that are unparalleled in our history.
As long as such arsenals exist, the horrors of Dr. Strangelove, Fail-Safe and The War Game could become reality. Will they? Who knows? No one certainly wants it to happen. No sane person anyway. But the sane aren’t always calling the shots, both government and freelance.
We’ve all seen what much smaller atom bombs were capable of. The fission bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki are in essence the detonators for the awesome fission/fusion thermonuclear devices in most stockpiles now. We’ve all watched the grainy footage from New Mexico, Bikini atoll, and the incineration of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We’ve watched with passing car wreck fascination the horrors of the children maimed, the shadows burned on the walls and the few remaining structures that withstood hell. It’s all unforgettable and very emotional.
But there are some points that get misplaced in all this emotion. Many people are aware of them, but many more are not, it seems. Anyway, let’s see if we can touch on a few right now.
1. The U.S. using atomic weapons targeted two Japanese civilian cities: Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Not entirely correct. Certainly the U.S. dropped atom bombs on those two cities, practically destroying them entirely and killing tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people. But, a point often overlooked is that neither city was strictly ‘civilian’ as we know it. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were industrial, armament, military producing centers that contained both residential and industrial components, often side by side.
Japan was a cottage industry culture at that time. Businesses that you or I might think of as ‘war industry’ firms, such as Ford, GM, Boeing, etc, were unheard of in Japan. Small shops built everything. Well, almost everything. Some large conglomerates, powerful family samurai shogunate holdovers, called Zaibatsu, did exist, welding tremendous influence in shipping, construction, manufacture and practically all of the large scale design and development of war industry business. Mitsubishi, yes, the same one as the car maker, produced the A6M Zero-Sen , Zero or Zeke as it was referred to by many American fighting men who crossed swords with the formidable aircraft. Mitsubishi made many of their aircraft in Hiroshima. From the start of the war, the Mitsubishi shipyards in Nagasaki were heavily involved in contracts for the Imperial Navy. The Japanese military relied on Hiroshima for the supply of its aircraft and on Nagasaki for its ships. The region was used as a center for other industrial construction as well, by other smaller Zaibatsu and the aforementioned cottage industry houses. In other words, both cities could be considered military targets.
2. Only Japanese were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Wrong again. There were tens to hundreds of thousands of P.O.W.s and foreign slaves in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many of the slaves were Koreans and Chinese used as labor in these war industry factories. None of those who perished in the atomic bombings are mentioned in the casualty lists for that city, nor on any plaque within Hiroshima Peace Park where all other honored names are displayed. The city and governor consistently refused to permit it. Those killed are considered unmentionables. Like the ‘comfort women’, sex slaves conscripted from other nations such as Korea, China, Philippines, Singapore, to service Japanese military, they simply never existed. Not even in death. Recently, there has been acknowledgment and changes to this official stance, but it has come very slowly and with a long fight.
3. The United States was eager to test the atom bomb on a population.
Still wrong. The use of the then-new atomic bomb on a city, was an absolute last resort for the Americans. To have to use it on two cities was beyond last resort. There is no one living or dead who wished to use it on anything but a weathered steel tower if there was any chance in not having to. Unfortunately, the last resort became an option after the Battle of Okinawa demonstrated that the Japanese would not only fail to surrender, but would execute the civilian population as well, as they did with impunity on Okinawa. It’s worth considering that to this day, the only military the people of Okinawa despise more than the still occupying forces of the U.S. is the Japanese military, and that’s after several high profile rape incidents involving American military against local Okinawan children. Even with that, the Japanese of Okinawa still despise the Japanese military more.
The Battle of Okinawa displayed in stark relief what Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima had earlier hinted at. That it would take Operation Olympic, a total land invasion by Allied forces, planned and readied by hundreds of thousands to millions of veteran and new troops in staging areas across the Pacific, to stop the Asian nation. The astronomical amount of logistics and enormous cost, financial and human, in support and training alone would not have been expelled had the U.S. always intended to use the atomic bombs as many critics suggest.
The total deaths at the Battle of Okinawa have never fully been studied. But estimates show that more died there than in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, including those who died after the initial blast from radiation related illnesses. The figures that are often associated with Hiroshima and Nagasaki are almost always those in the most upper range of the estimates. In any case, many, many people died in Hiroshima, Nagasaki and places like Okinawa. No one can deny that. Yet, do we cringe at the mention of the Battle of Okinawa? No, we do not. Why not? Because it’s conventional war and conventional death. But more importantly, I believe, the primary reason is because there are very few images to evoke our emotion. So, it becomes a mere statistic. Numbers not images. Math not art. Faces move us far more than figures.
4. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved Japanese lives.
It is a sad and strange truth that in the end the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki actually saved Japanese lives. This is not an unsupportable claim. For if Operation Olympic was to proceed there is no denying that millions of Japanese would have died, along with millions of Allied soldiers all in the name of getting the Emperor to sign a piece of paper.
Number 4 is a hard pill to swallow. Because of the images of nuclear war, and the effects of it, we tend to regard such an event as the complete and utter end of the world.
But it did not end the world. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, leveled, incinerated. Yet, combined, they don’t add up to the casualties suffered in Okinawa. But many might argue that Okinawa was not leveled, it’s towns were not stamped flat. No, they were not. But this discussion is about life, not things. People, not buildings. Humanity not machinery. So, we must not veer off our humanitarian quest only to pick up broken shields and count structures razed. This is about loss of life, human life. It is the heart targeted message of The War Game and all other anti-nuclear statements that life is what we are fighting for.
In previous wars, whole populations were decimated, entire nations were removed from existence, wiped off the map. In relative terms of populations, it would be like the earth opening up and swallowing all of North America, or Africa, or Europe in one single messy gulp. We’re talking mind numbingly large scale destruction. But the difference is, there were no cameras to record such horrors, no witnesses to give any heart wrenching accounts. No screaming children, no frustrated doctors applying salves to blackened, shiny skin. None of that. Because nothing lived.
Years ago, I had the good fortune to meet one of the last remaining members of the First Motion Picture Unit of the U.S. Army Air Force and the American in charge of the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey which went in days after the Hiroshima and Nagasaki detonations to record and film what was left of those former cities. Any footage you have seen is most likely the footage that group and their Japanese counterparts took. He remarked that they had a few armed soldiers with them as they drove into the flattened city. He and his colleagues were scared to death about going in. Not because of the radiation. They were certain that they were going to be torn limb from limb by whatever survivors were remaining and with whatever strength those poor souls had left in them.
But they were not. They were saluted.
Those cities were sacrificed, perhaps we can look at it this way, to save the world from further and almost certain nuclear death. It is their example in the pictures and film which were taken, also with sacrifice, which can remind us what horrors are possible in our own time if we allow them. Images.
Thanks to those men who went in after the bombs, we have that visual legacy to consult. But think for a moment of those images of nuclear war, in footage and in films like The War Game and the power it commands. Certainly, the horror deters us, makes us think. So consider this. Isn’t it possible that we might have had another tragedy like the Nazi Holocaust, for example, if there were no pictures or film of Auschwitz, Treblinka, Buchenwald to shock us, to remind us what we as humans are capable of? Films like The War Game were made for just this purpose. To remind. To fill in what is missing in our visual library of real horrors. Yes, let them be reminders, but not propaganda.
The image is a remarkable thing. None of us would be sharing our thoughts here if images didn’t move us, didn’t sway us. Places like this site exist because images affect us. But we must remind ourselves that there are many horrors, different, but perhaps equally horrible and inconceivable to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the events depicted in The War Game, but which we have no image to relate to, to recoil from, to get sick looking upon.
If you have seen someone’s head explode from pressure applied into the ears, or an armless woman stumbling down the street with her forced-birth child dangling behind her legs, still attached by its umbilical chord and dragging on the road looking like a dirty, old shoe, except it’s screaming – or a naked man, standing in sub zero temperatures, having water poured on his arm, freezing it, and then having it intentionally smashed off like delicate glass with the blow of a hammer – or children hung on poles in the sun, being flayed alive, their skin peeled off them slowly as they try to scream but cannot because their vocal chords were cut out – or seen animal limbs sewn onto humans in place of the perfectly healthy ones that were chopped off – or the insertion of germs and disease into patients wide awake during operations – or the cannibalism of prisoners of war, the beheading for amusement, or any of the other myriad of tortures that went far beyond what the Nazis ever did, then you have seen war BEFORE the atom bomb, before the nuclear age. You have seen the Japanese in China.
War is horrible. All forms of it. Whether it is nuclear or non nuclear. It is horrible. Human beings can be the most – let me correct that – are the most horrible creatures on the planet. We have proven this time and again. We are the most dangerous creatures, because, as the Orson Welles’ Zaroff confesses in The Most Dangerous Game, we can reason.
If you ask an older Chinese, Indonesian, Southeast Asian, Singaporean or Filipino about whether or not the A-bomb was necessary to stop the Japanese, you will get a very different answer than the one usually given by most western college students. Very different, indeed. I’ve been to Hiroshima several times. On more than one occasion as a a teacher on a class trip. Visiting the Peace Park Memorial during one of these occasions, I was accompanied not only by fellow Japanese teachers who were old enough to remember World War II, but by a survivor of the Hiroshima blast, an old Japanese gentleman, who was a small boy when that B-29 made its run, and who has seen things, horrors, none of us could dream up in our worst nightmares. Many of the people who come to visit the Hiroshima Peace Park and other places like it are Japanese school children taken there by their schools. This makes me wonder how many schools in America conduct similar visits to places where Americans perished in war. I can only hope that they do, because I think it would be more worthwhile for them than Disney Land or the Philadelphia Zoo. Foreigners, many of them from the United States, Canada, Europe also visit the memorial in great number. Many of them leave without understanding why the bombs were dropped, though. They see evidence of the horror and destruction, but very little in terms of explanation of what led up to that day. Images. Emotion. Ironically, it is the Japanese school children who are taught in school at least a small measure of the horrors of Nanking, about the gas and germ weapons tested on civilians, about the flaying in Burma and the beheading and torture at Bataan. Westerners are generally not taught this. And yet westerners are the biggest critics of the U.S. for the atomic bombings at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, aside from those who lived through them of course. But even there, such as my elderly friend pointed out to me, ‘we Japanese brought it upon ourselves’.
Even a single warhead in today’s nuclear arsenal dwarfs the initial three detonations (including Trinity) as a Howitzer would a spitball made and spit by an ant. I think most people agree that total disarmament would be an ideal situation, but, like gun ownership, only if it was unilateral and guaranteed. But neither of those two conditions can be met with the degree of certainty needed for the stakes at hand. Today, it would only take one bullet, so to speak, to stop the world.
So, where does it leave us? Stuck in M.A.D. status until a clever person develops something that can disable nuclear warheads remotely, making them obsolete.
In The War Game man-in-the-street interviews it was quite clear that the filmmaker intended to show exactly how uninformed both the citizenry and experts were. The gap between what they thought they knew and what they actually knew was so great once the chaos started, like the absurdity of Dr. Strangelove, it would have been humorous if it wasn’t so tragic. Looking back on 1965 when The War Game was made, we think we are not uninformed as they were. We look at those people with skeptical eyes, marveling at their naivety. We think our parents and grandparents generations were so gullible, so foolish to think the way they did. Now, we’re certain we’re different. We think we have tons of data because of the internet, because we read this article or that book, follow this podcast or that blog, we think we have reams of inside information. We’re informed. We’re in the know. Like the Brattle audience, we’re savvy, sophisticated and knowledgeable. Nothing can harm us that we’re not prepared for, neither comedy nor horror. We’ve smugly laughed the danger away. We’ve whistled past the graveyard and we’re fine.
But the reality is it won’t matter if we’re laughing or not. Because relatively speaking, we are those same people who were depicted in The War Game, those foolish folk, bumbling around in the dark, with simpleton plans and childish things. We distance ourselves from that lot. We think we know as much as is knowable minus only a small fraction, a negligible amount. This is fantasy. It is the inverse that is true. We know very little compared with what can happen. And very few of us have experience beyond the images or emotion, neither of which can prepare us.
But what can happen? We’re making friends around the world, aren’t we? We’re beloved again, right? We’re on the right track, are we not? There’s no U.S.S.R. and no Berlin Wall. The missiles have been out of Cuba for a long time and all is well.
I sincerely hope so. But, in the warm and sometimes wet blanket of good relations we can also misplace other kinds of things, like the historical fact that we were friends, good friends with Japan in the years preceding the attack on Pearl Harbor, that we were allies with the Soviets, even war buddies just prior to the outset of the Cold war, and that we had agreements with China prior to the Korean war.
Only the foolish don’t hope for peace while remaining prepared for war. Even organisms in nature, from bacteria to orangutans, are linked to the concept that the defenseless perish. Period. Except those in captivity, that is. But of course, as human beings, we believe we have evolved to a stage where ruthlessness and barbarity are no longer useful, no longer needed, and no longer effective. Yet, how many times has Captain Kirk had to confront that issue with powers greater than his Enterprise? Plenty.
In the magnificent film Ben Hur, Hugh Griffith’s character Ilderim disagrees with Balthasar’s plea for pacifism. He voices it to Judah Ben Hur, who will soon fight his nemesis in the arena of the chariots:
ILDERIM: Balthasar is a good man. But until all men are like him, we must keep our swords bright!
JUDAH BEN HUR: And our intentions true!
ILDERIM: One last thought… there is no law in the arena. Many are killed. I hope to see you again, Judah Ben-Hur.
Films like The War Game, Dr. Strangelove and Fail-Safe were made to sway us, to warn us, not of the Soviets nor the Chinese, but of ourselves, each of us. Of what we are capable of and what we can’t control. They may look antiquated and evoke surly chuckles in all the savvy places but each, in its own way, is no less real now than when they were made.
Though anachronistic, they are also timeless because they speak about our fears, and that never goes out of style. The dangers, now different, do exist and have always existed. Facing the different horrors of war, cold or hot, conventional or nuclear should be done equally and indiscriminately with the same even and steady hand that we choose to hold a candle by.
The atom and hydrogen bombs are not the most powerful weapons ever devised by man. The image is.
Aside from the many frustrating projects making demands on his time Schizoid Mann has begun work on a thriller about the cold war.
The War Game at Google Video.
Fail-Safe at Google Video.
Daniel A. McGovern at IMDB.







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Outstanding!!!
I've always considered myself an open-minded person by nature – I'm the "liberal one" or the "conservative one," depending on who you ask – and so I've always felt a little ill-at-ease with the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Only recently, after reading up on the subject, has my mind changed.
This article is an excellent, if meandering, catalog of many of the things that contributed to my reversal.
Schizoid man scores… huge. The nuclear war issue has been, next to race relations, the single most divisive issue in modern western civilization. Harry Truman's decision to use two small (by today's standards) nuclear devices in August 1945 have provoked 60 years of debate.
Most of it rooted in ignorance or extremely dubious left wing revisionism.
Most profoundly he mentions that the act saved Japanese lives. It did, and US military lives as well. The Japanese were prepared to return to the 11th century and defend it's nation with knives and rocks, if necessary.
US estimates were that a half-million casualties would occur- based on the Okinawa campaign- and that there would be several million Japanese dead and wounded. Some academics posit that a blockade would have worked; nonsense. They would still be blockaded today… Truman was brave, and correct.
That said, his takes on 'Fail Safe' and 'Dr Strangelove' is spot on. We would add Fletcher Knebel's fine book and subsequent good film 'Seven Days in May' as a companion piece…
I first saw Fail Safe as a 7 year old, WOW! A great film. And Dom Deluise was excellent as a reluctant sergeant. I liked 'Strangelove too, and hope to someday get a chance to see The War Game. Excellent article.
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Fail Safe was ponderous and heavy handed (original and unnecessary Clooney remake). Dr. Strangelove, on the other hand, was one of the funniest movies ever made. God, I wish Kubrick was still around.
I read 1/2 the article and then it got too long and bounced around too much in triviality. The Lib nuker flick genre is one of my favorites because it plays right to the core of the nutter left mentality of fraidy-catism. Slim Pickens was the ultimate fraidy-cat antidote as well as General "Buck" (george c scott). There are a couple others worth mentioning, By Dawns Early Light and The Bedford Incident (Moby Dick with nukes).. The list of fraidy films is very long and we've seen that they have a real impact on society, I.E. China Syndrome and the irrational restrictions on nuclear energy etc.. So many nutters, so damn many..
Great, great article Schizoid! Very good research, also. One point I think you forgot, is the fact that the first US option with the bomb was to simply demostrate it in the countryside, away from a population center. This was eventually nixed due to the realization -proven true by the fact that we HAD to drop two to bring the Japanese government to their senses- that, further resistance would bring a horror far worse than those two bombs. I too, have been to Peace Park. Very solemn place. I don't think I have ever been to a place, church included, that made me reflect as much. It was a very busy day and NO ONE there was there to protest, shout platitudes, etc. Simply, quiet, deeply thoughtful reflection.
I have to disagree somewhat on Dr. S vs. Failsafe. I love Dr. S but, the stark reality of Failsafe really sets the hook in you. The ending always brings the thought : "What else could you do?" Once again, great article!
Maybe "An inconvenient truth" should be added to the list?
Life is not a movie.
I can understand that, Carolyn. Failsafe's artistry resides in the character study of those involved over faster paced tragic comedy. The breakdown of Col. Casio. The anguish of Gen. Black and the realization that the President must nuke New York ( I actually cheer that part but, I am sardonic) to defuse the whole thing. I have seen all of the major actors in many other films and almost to a man or woman, I find their preformances in Failsafe to be their best. Yes, even Hank Fonda.
I again find myself at odds: I don't think Fail Safe is the best movie ever, but Strangelove is hideously overrated. It has moments of humor but more often than not falls into the 'more frantic than funny' camp of films. The pie fight alone should drop it a few points in anybody's estimation.
Trolling conservative blogs is not a life.
I always though Fonda was at his best in The Grapes of Wrath The Lady Eve, and My Darling Clementine. Do you really think this was Walter Matthau's best performance? I concede he was good in this, but give me The Fortune Cookie, The Odd Couple, and The Taking of Pelham One Two Three.
The pie fight was never included in the movie. I can't remember if it was filmed or not.
(sarcasm)
Hi there! I read half the piece and, you know, it just got boring with all that little stuff. Now I know there was probably, like, some great summation at the end bringing all those little bits together, or something, but, oh well! Anyways, since this is so obviously about some movies those mean liberals made to scare people, here are some of my favorites. Toodles!
(/sarcasm)
Thank you so much for writing the facts about Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
My dad passed away last December at age 84. He married my mother and joined the US Army Air Corps in 1943 just before his high school graduation. The Corps allowed him leave to return to Memphis, Texas for his graduation. He was also honored to accept diplomas on behalf of the other young graduates who were in the military and unable to attend.
Daddy received his pilots wings in 1945 and was sent to Laurinburg-Maxton, NC for glider pilot training. He was trained to fly a glider filled with troops and gear into Japan, land in one piece (if possible), fight their way out and defeat the Japanese. Less than 10% were expected to survive. The mission was canceled after the bombs fell and Japan surrendered. No doubt the use of fission bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved the lives of my father, those troops and many more, including Japanese.
Odds are, my sisters and I would have been born if they had not been used. How many families have their lives and freedom because Truman ordered the use of those bombs?
I wasn't sure where I stood on Hiroshima and Nagasaki before I read about what would have happened if we hadn't dropped the bombs: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
The expected casualties were so high, they minted half a million Purple Hearts to give to the wounded. That may not seem like a large number, but consider this: they were still giving out those same Purple Hearts to soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan 60 years later. Soldiers today have medals that were made for their grandfathers. Those people got to live because we used the bombs.
They're not mean Libs, just nutty ones.
And no one is ever going to buy the rights to yours. Even Michael Moore couldn't slip in enough misrepresentation and fictionalization to make it watchable. So why do you bother promoting yourself?
Great article Schizoid. Let me add a couple of points. First, "war" in the abstract is evil. But war to stop evil, is not. It is often necessary and good.
Secondly, while a large number of people died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, hundreds of millions more died in the rest of the war — many at the hands of the Japanese Army. Indeed, the fire bombing of Dresden is believed to have killed as many people as either Hiroshima or Nagasaki. I ask our liberal friends, how were the deaths at Dresden or in other cities any less horrible just because they were burned to death with conventional weapons?
Third, if you're going to start a war and try to conquer and enslave your neighbors, you have no right to complain when they fight back nor do you have the right to dictate the methods they choose to use.
Finally, it's worth pointing out that the Japanese people have yet to acknowledge their role in WWII. Having been over there (as you are/have Schizoid), I can attest to the fact that they know nothing of Pearl Harbor and little of what they did to China or Korea (not to mention they deny what they did) — this is why Japanese textbooks often result in diplomatic incidents.
And you are not a baker, so what's your point dear?
Wow, that's one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on a freakin' MOVIE BLOG!
Has any body ever heard of the "Lemay Pamphlets" For 3 days before we dropped the bombs we warned the citizens of Japan what was coming.
This link has a picture of the leaflet and the warning contained therein"
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/ops/hiroshima4….
The warning itself was pretty "American"…..we don't want to harm innocents.
To this day I still remember Slim Pickens riding that bomb down…… it was awesome.
Cronkite. Not Kronkite. Or were you being amusing given we now all know his left-leanings?
Very good essay.
You're only half right. While yes, Life is a TV show (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0874936/) …… Life is also a movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123964/).
Welcome to Bighollywood. Know your audience.
"Gentlemen! There's no fighting in the war room!" Movies have impact, either as comedy or drama, because there's an underlying truth that can be comprehended by the average person. Both Strangelove and Fail Safe have those large grains of truth. Fail Safe does seem ponderous, and that was the point. Strangelove seemed over-the-top, and that was the point. For those who didn't live through the tense years of the cold war, it's hard to understand just how alternately we could be wildly gallows humor amused, and frequently depressed about the whole concept of total annihilation. Add to that the fact that there were high-ranking generals who were in open and hostile opposition to any administration attempts at compromise with the Soviet Union over nuclear arms, and Strangelove becomes less parody than young people might think. And at no time should we ever forget that things can indeed get out of hand.
Love is not a gerbil.
Might as well add a CSNY line: "And you, of tender years, can't know the fears that your elders grew by."
Correct me if I'm wrong.. but before Operation Downfall, there was one more bomb-drop planned (This time on Tokyo itself?)
Basically, the first two were on the military complexes (Hiroshima/Nagasaki), then the one on Tokyo.. and if THAT one didn't have the Japanese surrender then Operation Downfall was planned?
Fortunately, it didn't get as far as the bomb on Tokyo…
Laura, you're mistaken: Kronkite is the elemental form of communism. It makes conservatives weak to the knees and stomachs, draws tears from the infant and elderly alike, and destroys free societies. (They tried to use it against a great superhero once – but he just tipped his hat and politely requested that some "wall" be torn down.)
In America Kronkite glows blue, but over the rest of the world it's known as RED.
Incites fear and possibly panic trying to scare people into averting a man-made catastrophe, informing of disastrous consequences for generations to come, but the movies mentioned likely understated the effects while the AlGore sideshow attraction highly overstated them, nuclear war really would be something preventable by man, with the damage occurring practically overnight rather than so many generations from now, if it happens, that normal human inventiveness and nature would mitigate the damage to just about zero impact. Nah, that movie already has more publicity than it deserves.
I think my original message disappeared into the Great Beyond, so I'll take another crack at it. The pie fight never made the final cut of Dr. Strangelove. I know it was part of the script, but I'm not sure if the scene was ever shot.
I just looked at an original pamphlet in a history class taught by a Japanese history professor at U.T. El Paso. Of course it's in Japanese so I couldn't read it, it's about 4" by 8" filled with Japanese characters. Very interesting. He was, in his own words, in the hills about 30 miles from Nagasaki harvesting turpintine for fuel when the bomb detonated. He remembers the mushroom cloud and the destruction when he eventually returned to Nagasaki. If he wasn't being forced to work in the hills he would have died that day. He can't, in his own opinion, argue that the bombs SHOULDN'T have been dropped. He acknowleges that the bombs SAVED lives. This is from a WITNESS! He decried modern historians and revisionist history, and HE WAS THERE. Case closed I say. His name is Dr. Kawashima, long time professor at U.T. El Paso.
Now now, you've heard the rumors, let's not condemn Auntie's life-choices.
Cronkite? My brother has always referred to him as Walter Crankcase.
Oops. Sorry folks.
But Life is a board game…
Good essay, Schizoid. I think you meant to say "multilateral" instead of "unilateral."
I was just talking about this on another thread. I went to school in Osaka and visited Hiroshima while I was there. No mention at all of Pearl Harbor at the memorial. In fact, they had footage of the Enola Gay, donated by the U.S. and the Japanese version of why the film was donated was due to U.S. guilt as if we had just needlessly dropped a bomb on them . When I went back to Osaka I asked every Japanese student I knew if they had ever heard of Pearl Harbor– no one single person knew what I was talking about.
You're right about that one Mark S. The one bomb that the U.S. had at the time would've been dropped on Tokyo had the Japanese not finally surrendered.
That gun ownership was even mentioned there was hard for me to overlook, he's been too long in Japan. There will always be thugs who will prey on those perceived as weaker, and the police are nearly always too far away. Unilateral could work. The criminals already aren't supposed to have them, take the guns away from the military within the US except for the shooting ranges where they'll be stored, take them away from the cops, and rely on numerous well-armed law-abiding citizens to take care of whatever pops up. In theory it could reduce paperwork and save taxpayer money, with a simple "civilian ended threat" check box, no further details needed.
The United States was eager to test the atom bomb on a population.
Still wrong. The use of the then-new atomic bomb on a city, was an absolute last resort for the Americans.
""I voiced to [US Secretary for War Henry Stimson] my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary… Japan was at that very moment seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of face.""
"It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing . . . to use the atomic bomb, to kill and terrorize civilians, without even attempting [negotiations], was a double crime."
General Dwight Eisenhower – July 20, 1945
"It would be a mistake to suppose that the fate of Japan was settled by the atomic bomb. Her defeat was certain before the bomb fell."
-Winston Churchill
True, (s)he has made others…
Isn't the fraidy-catism more in the realm of the Right wing? I mean they were the ones who thought the Soviets were going to infiltrate America and take over. Or build an arsenal bigger than us and bomb us to the stone age? And because of that fear we too built bombs like mad. The message of Dr Strangelove is that the right wing we-need-to-be-paranoid-all-the-time is humorous and absurd. The film makes fun of people such as Edward Teller who wanted to keep buiding bigger and bigger bombs. And Esward Teller was not a Liberal by any stretch of the imagination. He was a nut though.
—Has any body ever heard of the "Lemay Pamphlets" For 3 days before we dropped the bombs we warned the citizens of Japan what was coming.—
Good point, TBM. I had forgotten that.
No pie fight in Dr Stangelove.
It's a great satire. But some people don't like satire.
—-Third, if you're going to start a war and try to conquer and enslave your neighbors, you have no right to complain when they fight back nor do you have the right to dictate the methods they choose to use.—-
Why is this so hard for liberals to understand?
—Finally, it's worth pointing out that the Japanese people have yet to acknowledge their role in WWII. Having been over there (as you are/have Schizoid), I can attest to the fact that they know nothing of Pearl Harbor and little of what they did to China or Korea (not to mention they deny what they did) —-
They knew about it '78. Sometime in the early to mid-80's they "revised" the textbooks. Yeah, I can attest to the fact that the Koreans have absolutely no love for the Japanese, whatsoever.
Great read SM. I recommend Harry Truman biography Plain Speaking for an inside to the dropping of the bombs and why. We can sit smugly by and cast dispersions on the people that lived in the horror that was WWII. My father-in-law was in the flotilla waiting to go into Japan and according to him they were more than pleased with the results of the bombs (I can’t give you his exact words not family friendly.) But, since we are waxing nostalgic you must remember to, “duck and cover!”
Déjà vu !
Ridiculous.. We've got a Commie for a president so didn't they already infiltrate and take over? Isn't he the first president in American history who has ever fired a CEO in a privately held company? Well one can argue GM is no longer privately owned, it is a STATE-IST organization now, much like those in Venezuela and Russia, banks, transportation, health care… When THEY own these, THEY own you..
Oh yeah, the Koreans have no love for the Japanese — but then, the Japanese tried to wipe out their culture (and even their language), and enslaved many thousands of them as laborers or as sex slaves.
I knew a Korean girl in law school whose family was angered that she had bought a used Japanese car.
When I was in Japan, I found that the older generation were very contrite about WWII, but the younger generation viewed their country as the victims in WWII. And you're right, that's what happens when you re-write the text books to cover up your prior crimes.
Well done.
Perhaps gerbil pie!
I read that, and what you wrote is entirely consistent with what I saw over there. I was just visiting for a few weeks (we were in Fukuoka (sp?), but we also visited Hiroshima, Himeji Castle (totally cool) and Tokyo).
It struck me that they were a very pleasant, but distant people, and that they younger ones were entirely clueless about the outside world (and a little arrogant). The older people seemed very pro-American and very friendly, but the younger ones definitely viewed themselves as the victims in WWII.
Stimson was a well-known objector and proponent of other means to end the war. Nothing wrong with that, but it proves nothing. And the comment you quoted, conveniently, was made after the surrender giving the opponents time to get their objector points in order. At the time the bomb was dropped, Japan's defeat was sure, the question was "at what cost–to both sides?" That was not nearly as clear.
Eisenhower later admitted he didn't have all the facts. He knew very little of the lengthy negotiations and warnings that had been given Japan through channels. When he learned all the facts, he still hated the bomb, but understood why the action was taken. He had been a little busy conducting the war in Europe.
Churchill's quote, like Stimson's, was correct and proves nothing. Churchill was right–Japan's fate was settled before the bomb(s) fell. It was settled at a vastly less horrible cost to America's troops, and probably to the Japanese, by the bombs.
Hey, Mikey!
(Also, a cereal.)
HE LIKES IT!
If I may. . .
Liberal: "Yes, but how does that make America the bad guy? You're ruining it for us."
Japan started the war. We ended it. Thank God our grandfathers were made of better material than today's liberals, or else we'd all be speaking Japanese.
And one of my grandfathers would have been among the first wave of US soldiers committed to ground assault. I may be among the lives saved by Truman's decision. As horrific as the two atomic bombs were, they saved lives on both sides, and even they almost weren't enough. The Emporer was almost caught in a coup when he was on his way to announce surrender; not all in his military were willing to bow even then, and they were willing to rebel against him to continue to fight.
We have it the other way. We're re-writing our textbooks to emphasize our perceived crimes, and now our youth think we caused every problem the world has ever had. I think conservatives need to stage a coupe on the textbook writing industry.
Yes, my grandfather must have been in that same flotilla. He fought in the South Pacific theater, and to this day, he doesn't talk about anything that happened save to say that whereever they were during those days waiting for Japan to surrender, they could see the flash from one of the two bombs. Whatever fighting the Japanese was like must have been terrible, and I am eternally grateful that they did not have to actually invade mainland Japan for both their sakes and the sake of the Japanese people.
You're right, and I think that is something we really do need to pay attention to.
Yeah, Jack (father-in-law) was in the Pacific from Midway to Okinawa he’s gone now but he had a different view about the bomb, and whether or not it should have been used, I guess it’s a matter of perspective, right?
Excellent article Schitzoid, the entire issue of the bombs used against Hiroshima and Nagasaki has been so muddled through the years that even otherwise reasonable and well educated people often just don't know many of the facts surrounding the decision. And many more unreasonable by nature people use the attacks to hang a supersized albatross around the neck of the US for doing it in the first place. A really good book on the subject is "Downfall" by Richard Frank, which shows not only why the decision was made, but also the realities of fighting the Imperial Japanese forces; how what seemed "strange" on Guadalcanal was downright "terrifying" by Okinawa.
The terms "strange" and "terrifying" being ones used in letters from my one great-uncle who'd fought on both places with the Marines. To his dying day he maintained that dropping the atomic bombs saved his, and many hundreds of thousands of other American's lives which would have been spent in an invasion of the Home Islands, as well as probably millions of Japanese which they'd have had to kill to get the Japanese to surrender.
From their experience on Okinawa (even though they lost) the Imperial Army was confident of causing massive casualties on any Allied invasion force, maybe enough to get some semblance of a negotiated peace. That would never have been acceptable to the Allies, but the Japanese military didn't think the way that we did, so to them it was a viable option. So the Emperor needed an "out" to wrest control back from the military, and the atomic bombs gave him an excuse to both do so, and show the military that the war was actually unwinnable.
I mean they were the ones who thought the Soviets were going to infiltrate America and take over.
Didn't the "McCarthy" hearings reveal there were lots of communists and sympathizers?
Or build an arsenal bigger than us and bomb us to the stone age?
I think by sheer numbers they actually did build more during that time, it probably varied who had more. Wikipedia currently lists Russia as having slightly more active and nearly three times total warheads than the US. Since I doubt they're increasing the number these days with the treaties in place, those numbers most certainly represent the USSR arsenal. And aren't you glad that war didn't happen?
And because of that fear we too built bombs like mad.
Good thing we did or we would have been totally outnumbered the way they were building. There are important issues of deployment involved, using many sites since you expect them to be attacked, expected missile and warhead failure rates, positioning based on expected travel time to synchronize a mass strike, all together requiring a lot of warheads to be a credible nation-wide threat.
The message of Dr Strangelove is that the right wing we-need-to-be-paranoid-all-the-time is humorous and absurd.
Where do the greatest number of cyber-attacks, both direct security-breach attempts and malware distribution, come from? Former Soviet Union countries (including Russia) and China, with expected denials by their governments that they themselves are doing it and have anything whatsoever to do with it. Who engages in the greatest theft of intellectual property? China, land of knock-offs, of which I first read over a decade ago from businesspeople that if you set up a company there in a year there'll be a Chinese company making your product your way and taking your customers. Which, of course, has been denied by the government as being done by the government, encouraged in any way by the government, who will promptly launch an IP theft crackdown the first Tuesday after Never. Then there are the former Soviets, who had bootleg Win XP a week before the release, where you can find just about every American movie, show, or hit song ever, except for legal copies. Of which their governments… Eh, you get the picture.
And that's just our "former" enemies, we know what happens when you don't stay paranoid about terrorists. "Ha ha, the morons didn't even park the van in the right spot when they tried to blow up the Trade Center parking garage! They'll never be a problem. Hey, wonder what Monica's doing?"
The film makes fun of people such as Edward Teller who wanted to keep buiding bigger and bigger bombs.
That's a good thing, the effectiveness drops off after a certain size. So we made more effective designs like the neutron bomb and the strategic small nukes that can take out only about a NYC-sized block. They have ones that can be fired from field artillery. We might need those some day.
And Esward Teller was not a Liberal by any stretch of the imagination. He was a nut though.
Yeah, poor guy couldn't even keep the spelling of his name straight.
I was watching "Fox and Friends" a couple weeks ago and they were showing exactly what is in some widely used textbooks these days, that is passing as "history." Needless to say I was both shocked and unamused.
Be careful when you ask our liberal friends to comment about Dresden, there are some on the left that think that was a war crime as well. I know because one of my history professors believed that, and this was over 15 years ago. Then again the same guy was convinced that the Soviet intervention at the tail end of the Pacific War was the deciding factor in making the Japanese surrender, because the atomic bombs weren't effective…still war crimes mind you, but ineffectual in the larger scheme of ending the war.
I'm glad the guy was only teaching Colonial American history instead of WWII history, although you can just imagine what some of his views on the "controversial" aspects of that era were as well. I swear, tenure is the most evil thing ever inflicted on education, I'm sure he's still peddling his bunk to anyone with ears to hear it.
Yes, but still hasn't made any pie.
The left has lost its mind when it comes to war. They seem to believe that killing someone during a war is war crime.
I've heard idiots claim that bombing Dresden was a war crime, and that's based primarily on the idea that the war was basically over and the city was entirely civilian. But so what, that's war?
By the way, my grandmother was in Dresden at the time — and my mother grew up there. I've heard some eerie stories from both. My mother talks about watching them unseal basements and removing bodies as late as the mid-1950s. My grandmother told us about some friends who left work (she worked in a hospital) just before the bombing and were never heard from again.
Rubbish! Absolute rubbish from start to finish!
Japan was in a stage of training 5 year olds how to strap bombs on their bodies and throw themselves under American tanks……
They were training common people to fight with wooden spikes………
Their own military kidnapped the Emperor god on the eave of announcing surrender……
Does that sound like a country on the verge of giving up ???????
McCarthy was a black eye on America. The greater percentage of Communist sympathizers turned out to be well educated people who believed in civil rights, women's liberation and the value of good art. In otherwords, they were dangerous because they went against the status quo. But they weren't Soviet spys.
Paranoia is not really a good trait to have. Awareness and intelligence is. You need a good balance. I think some politicians had that in the 1950's and were effectively anti-communist.
Dr Strangelove still does a good job at showing those like Edward Teller just be just a bit over-the-top and absurd. It also lampooned the Soviets and their madness.
Being smart about the weapons one builds is a good quality to have. There was a lot of wasteful spending especially in the 1980's with Reagan's ridiculous Strategic Defense Initiative.
The China knock-offs are complete off subject and I'll agree a global business problem. But they are slowly taking over in an interesting way.
great threads here… the idea of war as criminal strikes us as odd to begin with. The Geneva convention tried to bring so-called 'civility' back to conflict because of the poison gas of WW1 (footnote: JR Tolkien was gassed as an infantry officer; it gave him the very dark images in Sauron and such)
as if the massacres that had taken place since time immemorial were somehow 'gentlemanly'… the firebombing of Dresden was a singularly horrific act; more so than the atomic attack on Japan. So, too, was the firebombing of Tokyo- thousands of tons of napalm creating 1,000 mph tornados of fire.
War is hell. The victors celebrate, and the losers mourn their dead. The idea that causing discomfort to a committed terrorist in order to gain intel as a crime is simply ridiculous. The idea that you can criminalize war is insane…
Well tell that to Jim Carey!
BTW Chuck sure was hot when he was younger. Grrrrowl.
and yes, I know he's dead.
"Let me add a couple of points. First, "war" in the abstract is evil. But war to stop evil, is not. It is often necessary and good."
Ok, that's pretty deep and profound..I take back what I said about your mind not being easy to read.
"Third, if you're going to start a war and try to conquer and enslave your neighbors, you have no right to complain when they fight back nor do you have the right to dictate the methods they choose to use. "
I agree 110%, let's all remember that if/when the time comes.
As a history buff, what I find annoying about the whole Hiroshima/Nagasaki question is that it ignores one major truth: conventional bombs killed more Japanese "civilians".
And so goes the way of the world. History is ruthless and no matter how much revisionists try to sugarcoat and declaw it – you still have the despots from Darfur to Myanmar, hellbent on death and destruction. Before nukes, the shear magnatude of the death machines between Hitler, Tojo and Stalin is unfathomable. Schizoid, you wrote a fair assessment. Having family who served and died, they were convinced that the bomb saved lives, by instantly showing the Japanese the futileness of war under these new constraints. It was the essence of shock and awe.
Don't hold back!
Yes, but which way did you reverse to?
I guess since you said, you were a little ill at ease that would mean…I'm not sure. Because who isn't ill at ease with it? I'd say if anyone was totally pro H/N bombings they should check into a psycho ward. But there is the question of 'was it necessary?'. I'm sure that's what you mean, right?
Thanks for the input.
- Schizoid "meandering" Mann
Yes, I agree with Seven Day in May book and film. But, as there are so many fine Cold War stories out there, I decided to focus on one using two others as meander material so i could sneak up on the topic. It's a tough one, those images are powerful, they really are. Even writing this had my mind going in all different directions, so I can safely say, I too am human. The images affected me to the point where I was questioning my own words. I put the images away and looked at the facts again, and started typing again. Is that a good idea? In art, no. In politics and defense, I say yes. So, it depends.
Thanks for input and supportive words. I appreciate it.
- S. Mann
Yes, that's a fascinating story, that i was tempted to touch on. But you know me, get me started on a tangent…
- Thanks for the input.
- Tangential Mann
Yeah. I was going to put in a pic of Dom, I regret I didn't. I had it ready too. I had finished this article just as I heard of his death. Sad loss. I loved Dom.
His character is excellent. Who knew he could pull off such a scene. That walk back to his ops desk is surely moving, if not a downright tearjerker.
Frank Overton's performance never fails to choke me up in that scene talking with his opposite number in Russia, about London and how the best cities are those you can walk through. When he says, "I liked London", and then how he asks about his location, knowing that the other man's family is still in Moscow, then closes the dossier quickly.
Man, that's great stuff.
I'd say Frank tops this one only by one or two other performances. The Twilight Zone episode Walking Distance where he plays Gig Young's father, and of course his sheriff character in To Kill a Mockingbird.
Sorry. You often catch them, but I think you missed this one.
Read up on Merkin Muffley the liberal ineffectual president that Kubrick and Terry Southern brought to life with Peter Sellers' fantastic ability to portray. Btw, do you know what a "muffley" is in British slang? And Merkin derives from murky, cloudy, vague, and vacuous. That's the president character. Remember, this was made when democrats were in the White House.
Hence the tension between the president and his military staff, especially, yes, the right wing Turgidson (bloody engorged).
And actually, it's a mistaken belief that Dr. S is based entirely on Teller. Jon von Neumann influenced the depiction along with Teller.
I think your pigeonholing the story and film into democrat/republican liberal/conservative is big mistake. Its a pity too. Because Strangelove is a masterpiece that ridicules all ideology and all parties. Too bad you only see the half of it. I hope you can see the other half someday.
Thanks for the input.
-SMann
How long have you had the Tourette's?
Yes, good point. I didn't actually forget about it. I decided not to include it for some other reasons.
But to be frank, I wish they had done that. They didn't. But I accept your suggestion as a good one.
I love FS too, but as far as filmmaking, i think DS is a better film. Though, like maybe I mention, not sure now, but DS doesn't scare you. At least not me. It's funny, and i can whistle past and love the bomb.
FS is scary as hell. Yes, the ending. Recently i thought about this when watching the film, what if this really happened, and Bush had to do that. Had to destroy an American city like NYC or LA or Boston to demonstrate sincerity and prevent a thermonuclear exchange? What if?
Can anyone imagine in their wildest fantasies him not being tried as a war criminal and mass murderer for doing what was accepted by Henry Fonda – as the president? There is no way.
I love how his character tells his sec, "not a word. If this leaks out, the reporter and his paper are dead now and forever."
Imagine that today? I was surprised that Clooney left that line in. Really surprised. I give him credit for leaving it in. Because the Fonda pres was clearly supposed to be Kennedy with Jackie in NYC constantly. and Dick Dreyfuss was playing a very similar character to Fonda's.
This goes with Howard's comment. This site is a little strange. I clicked on post reply, and ended up three places later.
I really did like Deluise. Domenick is not the most common of names here in the old USA. In fact, all thru school and college I was always the only "Dom" in my class, school, team, frat, college – you get the picture. So as a kid, when I saw a 'Dom" in a movie or on TV, I became an instant fan. Even in "Fatso" which was hilarious for anyone who grew up in an Italian family in an urban Italian neighborhood, he pulled off a couple of very touching scenes. But you're certainly spot on about his turn in Fail Safe. That was also the first time I saw Matthau, and always thought of himas a real scumbag (I was 7 or
until I first saw the Odd Couple. Yeah the imagery of FS has always stuck with me, the "negative" B/W shots of the B-58 Hustlers in flight, the final stop action shots at ground zero, even the opening title sequence, man it was enough to grab a kid who was doing duck-and-cover drills at elementary school, right by the throat. FS is the first movie I think about when someone uses the adjective "intense" to describe a film.
What list? Cold War films?
No, it's really more like a miniseries, true.
Yes, it was filmed. No, it was not included. Not sure if some recent DVD releases have it, and that's where he saw it. You can see it on Youtube, I think, as well.
Kube was correct to remove it. It would have ruined the ending.
Are you being satirical?
Thank you and Big Thanks to your father for his service. That operation was destined to be a bloodbath, basically a longterm hiroshima without the radiation and millions more deaths. Inthe end, most likely, since work on the A bomb had begun much earlier, even if they hadn't developed it in time to prevent Olympic it would have been used somewhere in Japan to force them to surrender. So, it would have been Hiroshima or some other target and the loss of millions on top of that.
Bad choices no matter how you look at it. Thankfully, many were spared from entering the meat chopper.
Thanks for your input.
SMann
Wow. Is that true. I did not know that (about still awarding the purple hearts made for WWII's Japan invasion).
That is one profound and moving statement, it is.
Good points. And I mostly concur. The average kids who go to public J/S high schools must use the monbushou textbooks which, as you say, omit large parts of their actions pre/during WWII.
Many students at private schools have supplemental history texts, that are much better and more fair in portraying what the Japanese did. this is because many of the private schools are either filled with students who've lived overseas, returnees, and usually staff as well. Parents are paying for the schooling and often demand better texts, etc. So, the school complies. The public schools follow Monbushou.
Elderly people in japan are gems. I've never met one I didn't like. Not one. I can tell you by contrast, I've met several young Japanese I've met this morning who's actions didn't please me to the point of me wanting to teach a lesson in manners.
But i think it's similar in the U.S. with the youthful gen absorbed by gadgets and themselves and nothing else.
Yes. and the liberals are running the education in Japan, as well. Yet, they omit Bataan, Pearl Harbor, etc.
With that said, Japanese love America, warts and all. It really is inexplicable.
Yes, many Japanese who lived through it acknowledge that belief, that it saved Japanese lives. You'll be hard pressed to find youth who believe it, though.
Oh, did i miss that? Thanks. I think it was a Phreudian slip.
uh, oh? Where does it say "unilateral"? I never used that word. Alex!!! No, just kidding. Thanks for that catch! My bad. I meant to say universal.
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