What Sequels Teach Us About Developing Character
by Schizoid MannI hated the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark. No, not the Citizen Kane homage rosebud scene at the end – I loved that – but the ending of the movie. I didn’t want it to end. I hadn’t enjoyed a film that much since, well, Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, or Jaws. I wanted it to continue. I wanted more.
I got more and I didn’t want it.
Why don’t sequels do well? Obviously, I’m not alone in feeling the way I do about Raiders or Star Wars or Jaws or any other great character-rich, dynamically set film that pulls you in and doesn’t fully let go even after the end titles trail up and we see that film certification symbol fade out. So, why is it that more of what we love, we hate? Well, maybe not hate, but not love quite so much. What’s going on here?
Perhaps like many of you, I get excited when I hear shooting has started on a new installment of a film series I enjoy. Back when I saw the first leaked images of Jones on horseback going up against a German tank in the employ of the Afrika Corps, I was “giddy as a schoolboy.” I couldn’t wait to for that thing to be in the can and out in the theaters. I was thrilled, anxious and ready for the journey. But then another feeling took hold. Again, like many of you, when mention of a sequel or prequel leaks out, a small fear creeps up the back of one’s neck that somehow curiosity will lead to a deep regret, rivaling that of John Hurt’s as he poked his nose over that egg in Alien. And, like John, our feelings are often very well justified. Because many times, almost always, if anyone’s counting, sequels fail to capture the magic of the first film. “You just can’t repeat it,” many repeat. Well, I’m not so sure about that. I don’t think it’s that the filmmakers are not trying hard enough, I think it’s more that they’re trying too hard.
People change, and so should characters, right? Well, not quite. I have been wondering for a long time now, why it is I can’t fully enjoy Return of the Jedi, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, any Rambo emptying a SAW past First Blood, or any Rocky beyond the bell where an out-of-breath voice gasped wisely, “No rematch!” And where an equally wise one gurgled out, “Don’t want one.” Well, a little voice, similarly exhausted, tells me this could be said of Hawkeye Pierce and Trapper John, Radar, Burns and Hot Lips Houlihan. Of the cast and crew of the Minnow, and that other ship, where some rogue muttered, “Look, I’m not in this for your revolution, sister. I’m in it for the money.”
What am I talking about here? It’s what has been defined as Character Development. Somewhere along the way character development, the arc or course a character’s actions, words, and behavior take along a story line has been replaced with something different, something not-so-natural, not-so-healthy, something very formulaic. The increase in depth of a character’s personality, is, we are told, a sure sign of good writing, good acting, and lot’s of other good stuff. It signals to us that the characters are being fleshed-out, are growing, just like us. Changing, just like us. And doing the things we normally do, like becoming superhuman, multi-dimensional, and, best of all, not at all in it for the money.
I’m here to say that it isn’t working. Not for me, anyway. Using Joseph Campbell’s Hero with a Thousand Faces as a tuning fork, Lucas played the characters of Star Wars with perfect pitch and tone. He hit every note right. Yes, I happen to like Luke Skywalker as an innocent, awkward, and yes, sometimes dopey farm boy, a kid out of his element fighting a huge empire. I don’t know many farm boys who have much experience fighting huge empires (though that’s no reason to deny them the job). I also happen to like Han Solo looking out for number one, and of course, also watching his trusty sidekick Chewie’s back. Sure I want Han to come to the rescue every now and then, saving everybody and maybe the universe, too. But not as a full-time job! And I want him complaining about his predicament with every discharge of his blaster all the way down the celestial pike. What I don’t want to see is his transformation into a benevolent, altruistic, selfless stick figure, volunteering for the toughest assignment without so much as a quip, an insult or at least a good joke. In Return of the Jedi, his character became flat and blocky, more inert than when he was frozen in carbonite.
I have an idea. It might even pass for a theory. It goes something like this:
In Ridley Scott’s Alien, Ripley made a interesting heroine because we didn’t expect her to be the heroine. Let’s face it, Tom Skerritt had higher billing and thus, a greater chance of coming out of that pickle with a heck of a lot more than a highly lubricated pile driver alien jaw through his head, or worse. So did John Hurt, Yaphet Kotto, and Ian Holm. Sure, Sigourney Weaver’s Ripley, by rising to the occasion and becoming the hero achieved the unexpected, it’s true. Yet her actions were not out of character. Why not? Because we had already been shown hints of her strength. No, not in any oiled-muscle, gearing-up scene – as in Aliens, and now almost every other film which has a David on the way to slay a Goliath – but in her behavior toward Ian Holm’s Science Officer Ash. When Ash makes the rash decision to violate quarantine protocol and let the landing party re-enter the ship and mind of Conrad’s Nostromo, she’s pissed. He blatantly disregards her authority. Soon after, she confronts him and lays down the rules. That’s all that was needed. Hints are what we like. Not HITS, as in ‘…over the head.’
Aliens changed things. Don’t get me wrong, I loved this film, as I do many of James Cameron’s. But it’s another good example of writing going past the point of believability that is more distracting to me, and maybe others, than an audio pop, a jump cut, or violating the 180 rule. With this sequel the filmmakers decided to develop her character into a somewhat neurotic and unstable fusspot, suffering from insomnia, and having to still feed the same moody cat after 57 years. This is fine and understandable, and, very much in keeping with her character and what she’s been through, but it doesn’t really explain the superhuman strength and Delta Operator focus we see in her later on in the same film. Where did her fear go? And where did those skill sets mysteriously come from? Hicks? Spunkmeyer?
Surrounded by goo-oozing aliens, pulsating eggs, and god knows what else, she charges back into the breech and certain death to find that darn cat again. Well, no, not really. But it might as well have been the cat. Instead, it’s the little girl, Newt, perhaps the most obvious in a long list of Cameron tributes to Gordon Douglas’ original “bug hunt” flick Them! Ripley crawls into the growling belly of the beast with little more than a souped-up pulse rifle and spare magazines. And all through this mission, which would make John Rambo pause, she’s not even breathing heavy. While in the first movie, Alien, just one of those creatures hiding somewhere on a ship the size of Greenland made her hyperventilate into something resembling sheer panic. Justifiably so. But here, she calmly, and very professionally goes about her new task of rescuing a small girl from amongst several hundreds or maybe thousands of “Ripley’s bad guys”. Let’s not forget, this is within the dark, dank depths of a burning nuclear power plant that is about to do an impression of the Hindenburg at Lakehurst. Sure, the mother instinct is a crucial element of the theme here, mother vs. mother and all that. But, still, her behaviour takes on a super hero quality that transforms the story into more science fantasy than fiction. Where the original rules set down by the writers are being violated by who else, but the writers, in situations where anything, even the absurd is possible and to be expected. This is not to be confused with a suspension of disbelief. Rather, this is an expelling of belief that the setting and situation the writers have created for us is being transformed into a veritable Westworld run by renegade deus ex machina.
Alien Resurrection displays more character development with our hero Ripley going gothic with touches of arcade Street Fighter and left-over marine grunt mixed-in. Granted, to be fair she is merely a shadow of her former self, quite literally. She’s a clone. This time, an off-the-rack Ripley with a shelf life much longer apparently, than a synthetic Bishop, Ash and, while we’re at it, a Zhora, Priss or even Rachel could ever hope to get from the original manufacturer. But this unreasonable facsimile is just that, unreasonable. She’s not a whole lot of fun, either. Because we can guess rather confidently from the opening shots of her determination, that here sits our hero. This isn’t character development. This isn’t even a character. Unless you happen to be considering the cartoon variety.
Which brings me back to Luke, Leia, and Han (sorry Chewie). Principle players in the original Star Wars, they had their respective characters fleshed-out in fine form by the third act, the battle. We loved it, as did most of planet Earth. Which doesn’t really explain why the creators of the third installment, Return of the Jedi, would want to change that. Of course, we want change, but not at the expense of the things we have loved which connected us to it in the first place. I don’t want to see new facets of a character if I feel the filmmakers are showing me these new facets, these changes, these twists because they’ve exhausted all their original ideas in earlier installments and are now resorting to drastic means to keep the gravy train rolling, with add-ons that are more a product of meetings with merchandisers than anything else. If that’s the case, if in fact the characters are out of ammo, fleshed-out as far as their flesh will go – inevitable no matter how rich the character is written initially – then give us a new character or another adventure. For example, look what was done with the exceptional Leigh Brackett and Larry Kasdan penned Empire Strikes Back, a rare winning sequel. It had taken the original idea, expanded on it and led us to places undreamed. Yet, all the while, retaining the character traits of all in attendance and firmly anchoring us to the original franchise without so much as a hiccup in believability or anything that a healthy smack on a cockpit control panel couldn’t fix. That, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how you do it. You don’t pervert the characteristics of each member of a story, transforming them beyond believability, simply to get more mileage out of them or to justify a production, an episode or a sequel. Lovers of the original film, the fans, will rebel against that. They want to see more of what they love. They don’t want to see entirely new characters masquerading as the old ones for no other reason than to reel-in a duped loyal fan base at the box office. Not a good idea.
Which leads us to Indiana Jones and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Certainly, it was no Raiders, no Last Crusade nor my and many others’ least favorite, Temple of Doom. Simply, it just didn’t measure up. But, with that said, I did enjoy it and was happy to see the settings and the characters, well, some of them, again. I missed Sallah, and Marcus. Who didn’t? I wasn’t crazy about the time period, though I’m a big fan of cold war anything. But for me, Indy belongs in a pre-atomic age, when leather satchels, whips and dusty bomber jackets were worn by men other than those without a cause to rebel against. That’s a change that didn’t need to be. “Yeah but it’s twenty years since they made Last Crusade!”, they cried. So? Harrison Ford is an actor, so are the other people in the film who call themselves actors. Hollywood makes magic, doesn’t it? Now, more than ever, we’re constantly told. There is no reason why we couldn’t have had this fourth Indiana Jones installment, and most likely the last, set in the mid-forties. In an attempt to make the story more ‘real to life’ they made it too real, and lifeless. Was this another mistake by Spielberg? Judging not by the reviews, which I never judge anything on anyway, but by the fans and of course, my own feelings, that humorously understated line by Last Crusade’s last Templar knight comes to mind: “He chose poorly.”
Before I forget, I want to mention one other thing about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull that bothered me. Something on the poster, something about Indy was missing. His smile. Indy wasn’t really smiling. They continued the poster style, keeping it consistent with the serial nature of the cliffhangers that Raiders re-pioneered, if I can say that in mixed company. And I applaud that with gusto. But they changed the illustrated Indy too much by leaving out that cockiness, even after 20 years. If he’s not going to smile, not going to be displaying that adventurous grin, not going to display that false bravado, that winning lovable mixture of Joel McCray, Bob Hope, and yes, Han Solo that made Indiana Jones come alive for us, making even the most harrowing situation and death defying stunt seem fun and something we’d like to try at home, then why bother? They missed it with the poster. So, right out of the gate, they went in the wrong direction, with the wrong approach. Sure, he’s 20 years older, so what? Ever hear of people like John Glenn, Malcolm Forbes or Michael Korda? There are plenty of examples of men and women in their middle and senior years pursuing endeavors that healthy college kids would run from. So, for a character like Indiana Jones to run out of steam, it’s disappointing to say the least, and certainly not a topic for a sequel. Frankly, I think they played on the age element far too much in order to introduce a new angle to Indy. A big mistake. They didn’t need a new angle. I think even a poor story – and this one was not up to par with the previous three by any stretch of the imagination – could have been a heck of a lot more fun and much better cinema if they retained the Indy that we knew and loved in Raiders, felt a bit distanced from in Temple of Doom and re-united with in Last Crusade. That’s my feeling. But heck, I’m making this up as I go along.
Here’s a plea to budding writers out there:
If you want to write such huge character changes, don’t experiment with an existing, beloved creation, adding-on simple shock value and steroids or fatigue and a lack of collagen. You may hit on a winner, and you may not. In the meantime, though, you’ll be changing irrevocably the things from the original that we grew with and held close to our hearts. Don’t do it.
Start with a new, original story. There, you can experiment with a clean slate and see for certain why the lines are forming, along the story arc and around the block. In the meantime you may find quite unexpectedly that the big screen isn’t the only place where your character is being developed.






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About the only two sequels I liked as well as or better than the original were "Last Crusade" and "Godfather II." I knew what was coming when the title of "Return of the Jedi" was changed from the less politically-correct "Revenge of the Jedi."
Many people think Gary Kurtz is what held the first two Star Wars films together. He reigned in Lucas. If you find one of Lucas early drafts for Star Wars (which are available online) it's drek, A total swipe of a whole bunch of things like Dune and so on. As soon as Kurtz stopped working with Lucas his films took that creative nosedive we're all aware of.
The problem with sequels is a story is supposed to be about the most incredible thing that every happene dto a character. More or less. And so, a sequel has to top that each time. A lot of sequels are just lazy and try to do more of the same. so it ceases to be special or relevant.
>>why it is I can’t fully enjoy Return of the Jedi>>
Plain and simple, at least for me: Ewoks. As you also mention, chopping off Han's nerts didn't help either.
I don't know if it's accurate, but what I heard at the time was that someone reminded Lucas that Jedi didn't seek Revenge. It always seemed odd that it would get so far as advance one-sheets being available with the "Revenge" title before someone realized it, but maybe it was marketing's fault (or maybe just not true).
Either way, someday I hope to sell my copy of the "Revenge" one-sheets for a tidy sum.
I dunno, I have mixed feelings about this. I agree with most of what Schizoid says, but I can also see why we don't get that much character development in sequels. As hard as it is to find that magic that made the first film a success, I suspect it's even harder the second time around. That may seem a little counterintuitive, but the second time it's no longer new. Plus, constraints have been imposed. In Aliens, for example, we couldn't be surprised that Ripley ended up the hero. We knew it had to be going in, which limits the writers' ability to find that magic.
Aside from that, and as much as we blame studios for this, I suspect audiences don't want that much of a change. To use Alien/Aliens again, we liked Ripley. We wanted more of her. That's not to say that the characters couldn't develop some, but it's a fine line and I can understand the folks putting up the money wanting to be a little conservative about trying something new.
I thought Indy smiled on the KOTCS posters?
That makes sense, and I kinda thought that. If Lucas hadn't been so willing to mess with other parts of essential Jediness, I might not even have noticed. Of course the worst thing of all was his hiring of Hayden Christensen.
Good luck on your "Revenge" sales.
There is always the profit motive to explain sequels. Producers go for the sure thing economically.
Great article! I'm not a big fan of Ahnuld, Vince, and Jason playing themselves in a movie but on the other hand I like my leads to stay pretty consistent. Every wheel needs an axle, every story needs an interesting character around which to rotate. The more interesting the actor playing an interesting character really helps the story. Too often today the complaint is no originality (true) but coming up with something truly fresh, creative, and new is damn hard. A fresh story is a treasure. Also, I think many of the young actors taking the lead roles are lacking the depth, range and charisma so common to the icons of the golden age of hollywood.
Other sequels superior to their original movies: Bride of Frankenstein and Mad Max: The Road Warrior.
What is safer than a sequel? You know that's a back to back secret for finacial success when they literally film both movies at once (Lord of the Rings). Remakes of a successful script are the next best formula. I do, however want to protest "Barbwire" redoing "Casablanca". Even a naked Pam Anderson can't justify that travesty!
Have you seen the made for T.V. "Young Indiana Jones" movies? They had them on History or History International a while back. The young guy doing Indy in those films were way better than Leboeuf, in my opinion.
Schizoid hit the big ones, but a few good and bad sequels for your consideration.
Babe: Pig in the City – pound for pound the best sequel ever produced when it comes to keeping the heart of the original while improving the overall work. It was one of my favorite films of the 90s, and I was not a fan of Babe.
Sequels flourish in horror, rarely to good effect. Yet Scream 2 was better than Scream (I liked the entire trilogy), and I loved Hellraiser 2 far more than the first one. Nightmare on Elm Street has spent, what, 10 sequels trying to reproduce the original, and it's never worked (how smart am I? I still go see every one, and I never fail to be disappointed, though Freddy v. Jason was fun).
Epic fail sequel of all time for me? The Crow 2: City of Angels. Awful, awful, awful. All subsequent sequels have been atrocious, but for such a wonderful story and film to degrade so quickly was, well, disappointing. I'm probably in a big minority here, but I've enjoyed most of the Saw sequels.
Closing point – hour-long television shows are where to get character development. Good TV has left movies in the dust regarding characters.
If you disliked Return of the Jedi and the Prequels, wait till you see episodes 7, 8, and 9. Yes, of course they will be made. Who could resist the money to be had?
I always liked Return of the Jedi. I even kind of like Temple of Doom and Crystal Skull. It's probably because I'm easy to please but I was entertained by all three. I view them as underrated. I know that puts me in a minority but I always seemed to come to the defense of those films. Especially Jedi.
Coincidentally, I just read this interview with Gary Kurtz the other day. It's from 2000 and he goes into some detail on the very things you address in your comment.
http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?section=inter...
While they haven's always gotten it right – in fact some of their choices have been downright awful (Pierce Bronson?) they gave at least tried to avoid doing this to James Bond. Yes, the character has changes a bit with each successive leading man, but at least they didn't try to write a Bond movie around a 70 year old Sean Connery. Yet.
Agree. I hadn't seen the original Terminator when I saw T2 (I went only as a teenage timekiller for a family reunion) and loved it. Having seen them all, T2 is still the standout for me.
Naked Pam Anderson at that age and time can justify anything she wants. I don't think most viewers realized it was a take-off of Casablanca, but even knowing that, I enjoyed it, and Casa's one of my three favs. One un/fortunate trend it started (depending on your proclivity): Pam Anderson was the first female star I remember getting an open arm tattoo – they're common now, but it was as strange then as Sinead O'Connor's shaved head. She still has that barbed-wire wrapped around her arm, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoc3roT81nU
I've been hearing this for many years from insiders. I have been to Skywalker ranch a bunch of times in the early 90s. I used to know a lot of people who worked for Lucas. The general opinion was Kurtz was the real force behind Star Wars success because George just put any lame idea he thought of in the script and never thought it through. He wanted Han Solo to speak Spanish for some reason. He wanted a Tattoine (based on Dune's Arakis obviously) to be a Spice Planet. I mean, come on!
Please don't get me wrong, a naked Pam is GOOD thing. I just started recognizing the "Casablanca" parrallel kinda early, she's "Rick", a really hot, leggy, busty, leather clad g-string bustiered "Rick". Yes, good. Rest of flick, nah.
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Forlourned I think you are exactly right about the Ripley/Newt thing and I agree entirely.What was ridiculous however is that AFTER she has rescued Newt(and KNOWING the damn reactor is going to blow)she takes on the queen.Why wouldn't she take Newt and run?Cameron totally loses me with the rest of that scene as it is a non sensical selfish act by Ripley.
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Steevy, it might be because Ripley could not outrun the Alien Queen, that is why she fought against it.
I enjoyed Crystal Skull, more than Temple of Doom, at any rate. It still had it flaws, however. Schizoid makes some good points, but there was no way an Indy film would be made in 2008 with Indy still fighting the Nazis (or even the Japanese) during WWII. Ford and Spielberg were tired of Nazi villians (and Spielberg did not want to use the Nazis for that role after Schindler's list). So move Indy into the 1950s and make the Soviets the villians, after all, Spielberg has not done a Holodomor film yet.
A part of me would actually like to see a third trilogy. Even though they'll probably be terrible. That being said I doubt it will happen.
Interesting article, thanks Scott.
Great article!
The original 'Star Wars' was THE BEST episode. I do think 'The Empire Strikes Back' was an exception to the sequel rule, but it was self-conscious of its popularity, something that plagues all sequels no matter how good they are. Only the Luke and Yoda storyline was properly developed. Ford and Fisher had great chemistry but lacked a real script.
I still haven't forgiven George Lucas for 'Return of the Jedi.' It was awful!! Lucas obviously wanted to remake 'Star Wars' with better special effects. The brother/sister thing was a total copout. None of the actors looked interested in playing their parts. Oh, I can go on and on…
But not young anymore, I'm sure!
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I think that Terminator is blessed with a story premise that defies continuity.
In each movie the past and future are both different… this time. Fans citing canon aren't going to get any foothold and whoever is doing the next movie can get rid of whatever doesn't work.
Actually T3 was IMO one of the worst sequels ever in that it took the central idea of the first 2 (No fate but what we make) and spit on it. At the end we find out the war was inevitable after all. I was completely disgusted. Add the horrible casting and you have something I just have to pretend never happened if I'm ever to enjoy T1 and 2 again. Hopefully T4 will fix some of it at least.
I have always lovd Aliens, so much that I can quote large sections of the movie. For years, the only copy I had was a VCR taped televised version that had the cut scenes including the one where Ripley discovers that her daughter had lived and died while Riplay was floating out in deep-freeze. Riplay had promised to be home for her 11th birthday.
I was completely surprised when I saw the theater version (I never saw the theater version before I saw the televised version) of the film and realized that the scene wasn't even there! It seemed so central, and it wasn't there.
Hayden Christensen was just a bad dream. [Waves hand in the manner of a Jedi mind trick.]
Because Jedis don't take "revenge." That was pointed out before that film came out. Also, think about one of the major moments in the Clone Wars where Annikan goes after the Sandpeople who had taken his mother. He exerts revenge on the entire camp (one assumes the women and children too) in one of the major turning points in his journey to becoming Vader. I remember looking at my fiance in the theatre at that time and saying, "Jedis don't take revenge."
The best example of sequels getting, bigger, louder, brasher and more unbelievable has to be the "Die Hard" series.
The first one, when it came out in '88, was a breath of fresh air, a wonderful, unpredictable roller coaster ride starring Bruce Willis at the height of his popularity. And to be honest I HATED Willis at that time, hated Moonlighting and was NOT impressed in the least by him as an actor. He blew me away with his performance in that movie. He was utterly convincing as a guy facing insurmountable odds, scared, alone, out gunned, but he stuck to his mission.
He began winking at the camera with #2 and the inside jokes were already starting.
I did not even waste my time with #3 as a friend of mine said, that all the character from McClain in the first one was completely gone and the guy was now "bulletproof."
I happened to watch #4 a few weeks ago when I was ill and was looking for some mindless entertainment and thought the major set pieces were ridiculous. The Air Force jet and the tractor trailer scenes were utterly ludicrous!
So another example of a good first film that is gradually done in by sequels.
You should give Aliens3 another chance. When I first saw it, I utterly loathed it, and didn't rewatch it until I picked up the Quadrilogy. Aliens3 is actually a throw-back to the first movie, both with there being only one alien and the sense of claustrophobia (as Alien was, essentially, a haunted house movie… in SPACE).
Sure, there's a lot of stupid stuff in there, but at it's core, Alien3 is actually pretty good. It's more a horror movie like the first than an action movie like 2.
Sadly, Resurrection just sucks all around.
Boycotted ROTJ till the re-releases in the 90s, and don't regret it a bit (though I do like the theory I read in the comments about Han's growth — don't appreciate it from the movie's standpoint, but makes sense).
Still haven't and never will see KOTCS. They weren't Raiders, but I want mindless Indy fun, I'm alright with Temple and Crusade, the latter of which had the perfect way for the trilogy to end: four friends triumphantly riding off into the sunset.
Coincidentally, I just read this interview with Gary Kurtz the other day. It's from 2000 and he goes into some detail on the very things you address in your comment.
http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?section=inter...
Your first point reminds me of the first couple Star Trek films (which I love). The Enterprise is "the only ship in range," or "the only ship in the quadrant." I think in Trek V, Kirk is chosen due to a lack of "experienced commanders."
Re: your second point, look at the Alien films. In Alien, we have one alien (and one killer droid). In Aliens, we have many aliens (and one corporate weasel). But in Alien 3, we're back to one alien. Ripley and her fellow Fury 161 prisoners have no weapons and are stuck on a barren wasteland in the middle of nowhere. You can see what Fincher and Co. were trying to do (more evident in the extended Special Edition which delves further into the religious aspects, the psycho prisoner Golic, etc.). I can't fault the writers (and there were many) for trying to explore different angles, from aliens on Earth, to aliens on a space station, to competition between corporations (Weyland-Yutani vs. its competitors). Needless to say, the making of this film was fraught with difficulties left and right.
And going back to Trek sequels, and this applies more to the TNG films, the rule always seemed to be "The fans love Khan so lets do a villain like that!" So we get madmen like Soran and Ru'afo, and Shinzon – all written to be larger than life and to have a grudge against Earth/Starfleet/our heroes/etc. (which isn't even justified in Nemesis). At least Trek IV and V tried to be different. (And I admit I'm a fan of Trek V which is flawed in many aspects but sets its sights high and has heart which is more than I can say for most movies.)
Sorry for rambling.
Upon reading this again, I'm not entirely sure I had a point to make.
yeah, when they edited him in at the end of "Return" it made me gag.
Batton,
I was going to chime in here, but you said what I was thinking…
Great article and I pretty much agree with everything you mentioned. For me, as a lifelong movie buff, there are few sequels I love: The Godfather II, The Empire Strikes Back & The Bride of Frankenstein are likely the greatest sequels of all. I thought Superman II & The Wrath of Khan superior to their predecessors. I am so fond of Aliens that I've seen it even more than the still great original. And to take it back EVEN further *g* I enjoyed The Testament of Dr. Mabuse (1933), Fritz Lang's follow-up to his Dr. Mabuse, the Gambler (1922)! But I will NEVER forgive Lucas for Jedi. I won't even START on how insulting his SW prequels are to me. I HATED Temple of Doom; liked Last Crusade, but KOTCS left me with such a bad taste, I had to watch Raiders again to rid myself of it! I just wish they would leave well enough alone. Do I honestly need a sequel to Gladiator? 300? Of course the usually dreadful sequels never come close to what we fell in love with originally, and I doubt Hollywood will learn its' lesson anytime soon…especially when one considers that both Douglas Fairbanks Sr. AND Rudolph Valentino played the sons of Zorro and the Shiek respectively!
I saw STTMP the weekend it opened in 1979…and I still remember the snoring and unintentional laughs and a lot of people walking out, but most of all, the snores, including my own, my brother's, and my sister's! LOL And remember, if it was opening weekend, we're talking the real fan base so it was just s huge shame. Talk about those endless shots of the Enterprise and everything at a snail's pace. *yawn* You're also right about Superman The Movie. I didn't see it until it came to TV, but I couldn't wait until Superman finally got into action, and then it all slowed down again with things like the Lois poetry scene. I much prefer Superman II & The Wrath of Khan as do you…and then it all went back downhill for me with Superman III, Superman IV and all those odd numbered ST flicks LOL (Speaking of which, this new ST movie…is it an odd or an even?)
I think expectations are so high for sequels that people inevitably become disappointed. In the sequels, the characters that you fell in love with in the original movies become almost campy and caricatures of themselves. Don't mess with a good thing. Instead, write something new and original, just like you said.
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it took the central idea of the first 2 (No fate but what we make) and spit on it.
Actually I don't think it did. Let's remember what the premise of the first two movies was – John Connor's survival. In the first, he just had to get conceived and then Sarah goes into hiding to protect him. In the second, Arny came back to protect him from the newer bots, just keep him alive through the current threat. In neither of the films was the real emphasis on preventing Judgment Day; it was about making sure John survives until J-Day to fight the machines. So in that sense, I felt that the ending of T3 was consistent with the rest of the movies.
[i]it took the central idea of the first 2 (No fate but what we make) and spit on it.[/i]
Actually I don't think it did. Let's remember what the premise of the first two movies was – John Connor's survival. In the first, he just had to get conceived and then Sarah goes into hiding to protect him. In the second, Arny came back to protect him from the newer bots, just keep him alive through the current threat. In neither of the films was the real emphasis on preventing Judgment Day; it was about making sure John survives until J-Day to fight the machines. So in that sense, I felt that the ending of T3 was consistent with the rest of the movies.
Actually I don't think it did. Let's remember what the premise of the first two movies was – John Connor's survival. In the first, he just had to get conceived and then Sarah goes into hiding to protect him. In the second, Arny came back to protect him from the newer bots, just keep him alive through the current threat. In neither of the films was the real emphasis on preventing Judgment Day; it was about making sure John survives until J-Day to fight the machines. So in that sense, I felt that the ending of T3 was consistent with the rest of the movies.
Oh, STTMP was so awful. I was sooo disappointed. I talked my younger brother into going to a midnight show with me because none of my friends were interested in seeing anything sci-fi. He was 14. It was so mind numbingly boring I couldn't believe it. If they flew around the Enterprise one more frigging time I was gonna scream. It was so boring that I actually became fixated on Persis Khumbatta's thighs. Seriously. I'm not the least bit a Lesbian, but towards the end whenever she was on screen all I would notice were her thighs. My brother probably would have enjoyed Persis Khumbatta's thighs, but he had fallen asleep. Gawd, it was awful.
I love ROTJ too! I think the author here, like a lot of fanboys, simply didn't want the characters to change or evolve. Han couldn't be the criminal forever. That's the message…you have to "grow up" at some point.
Sometimes BH is simply Ain't It Cool News with more conservatives and less swearing :/.
If it were up to me episodes 7-8-9 would be about Leia going to the dark side by killing Han Solo and then fighting it out with her brother Luke. But Lucas will make it about the children of Leia and Han facing some new Sith threat. Complete with Midichloreans.
To me the worst thing about the lazy slapdash writing in the last Indy was the abuse of the cliff-hanger."
See, how it works is you have to invent a way for the character to get out of the scrape. Simply having him somehow survive the problem is called cheating and only works as a comedic device and you can only use it once.
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I thought the reason they changed the title was because of Star Trek II. Originally, it was supposed to be called "The Vengeance of Khan" before being changed to "The Wrath of Khan". Vengeance and revenge were too similar for their liking.
Frequently, I'm disappointed with sequels and yet, my favorite movie ever (The Godfather, Part II) is a sequel. Go figure.
Several people said the same thing about the name change to "Jedi" and one said that it was a cover story to satisfy people who were disappointed with the name change. Who knows? And there seems to be a large consensus on this site that it should have been called "The Curse of the Ewoks."
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Tvtropes.org to the rescue. It's called the "expansion pack world". The hero saves the day, conquering the evil bad guy once and for all. However, something much eviller (so evil that no one ever knew it existed) has come to fill the power vacuum left by the late evil guy. It's ubiquitous, and probably reason for the plethora of prequels we see these days. It's easy to write something inferior and pass it off as a prequel.
See the Devil May Cry series of video games. DMC 1- our Hero (Dante) defeats SatDMC 2-Played through it 3 or 4 times, and best I can figure, our Hero defeats some demonic Corporate CEO. DMC 3-a prequel-the Hero defeats his Evil Half-Brother, who appears as a brainwashed lieutenant in DMC 1. There's a DMC 4 as well, but I never played it. This isn't uncommon.
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Snake, I agree with you. For the longest time, Return of the Jedi was my favorite of the three. Since the series is now finished (you hear that, Lucas?!) I think I prefer Revenge of the Sith now. That puts me in a very small minority, but I liked it. Obi-Wan and Yoda were not the people they were in episodes 4-6, but you could see the seeds in ep 3.
Good article and good comments from all. My biggest gripe with sequels is this sense that it has to be bigger than the previous movie. I knew that Spider-Man 3 was gonig to be a disappointment when they announced that it was going to have the Sandman, Venom, and the return of the Green Goblin all in 1 movie! It was too much and not surprisingly all three elements are not developed fully, the movie fails and to develop a good pacing and it ultimately fails.____Another element to consider is the roll the studios play in most of these sequels. Often times, where the first was free of studio interference, when people see dollar signs (as with sequels) people change. I believe this was the case with the X-Men series, especially the 3rd and many other action sequels.____And as for filming multiple sequels at the same time? It doesn't always work. Just look at the Back to the Future films. I thought 2 was great and 3 was subpar. Plus most of the time the filming back to back is with source material that has multiple volumes or books and not original ideas.
I like to pretend that The Godfather, Part III doesn't exist. Of course, I like to pretend Obama, Biden, Reid, and Pelosi don't exist either and that's not working out for me.
LOL! Sorry for bringing it up! Ya, ignoring "Taliban Barry" isn't working for me either. Sorry I "sucked you back in"!
Don't think Trek can really fit into this. Even with such a pretentious name as 'The Motion Picture'.
All the films are best looked at as further episodes. Some are good, some are great, some are 'eh' and some are awful.
Well at least we're seeing comments now, that's an improvement.
Another one of my problems with the Prequels was that the vast majority of the "bad guys" were either aliens or droids. That annoyed me a bit because it was almost like Lucas couldn't stand to have big battles between humans, one of the good things of the original movies to me at least, was the Rebels and the Empire were for the most part the same people, just coming at the conflict from a different point of view. Whereas in the prequels it was almost like he was afraid to show a "real" conflict because one side or the other was made up mainly of droids and aliens, it weakened it for me with that. Also the whole Sith thing with Guest Sith Lord of the Film running the whole scheme while using said aliens and droids, seemed almost Law & Order "rich white guy behind it all" sort of thinking to me.
There are thousands of good stories in the Star Wars setting, but to me these 3 were about the least interesting ones that could have been filmed. If Lucas wanted to do a whole "fall of the Jedi" story as the prequels there were even much better ways to have done that instead of a formulaic retelling of the "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: With CGI!"
Well at least we're seeing comments now, that's an improvement.
Another one of my problems with the Prequels was that the vast majority of the "bad guys" were either aliens or droids. That annoyed me a bit because it was almost like Lucas couldn't stand to have big battles between humans. One of the good things of the original movies to me at least, was the Rebels and the Empire were for the most part the same people, just coming at the conflict from a different point of view. Whereas in the prequels it was almost like he was afraid to show a "real" conflict because one side or the other was made up mainly of droids and aliens, it weakened it for me with that. Also the whole Sith thing with Guest Sith Lord of the Film running the whole scheme while using said aliens and droids, seemed almost Law & Order "rich white guy behind it all" sort of thinking to me.
There are thousands of good stories in the Star Wars setting, but to me these 3 were about the least interesting ones that could have been filmed. If Lucas wanted to do a whole "fall of the Jedi" story as the prequels there were even much better ways to have done that instead of a formulaic retelling of the "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: With CGI!"
Yup, between the damned Ewoks and those painfully fake-looking aliens navigating in the cockpit with Lando,
it looked like the STAR WARS world had been invaded by MUPPETS!
And I like The Muppets just fine, on their own turf.
Lucas said at the time, something like 'We decided to 'DARE to be cute.'' Ugh. Lousy judgment.
The Ewoks looked like someone's calculation to sell lots of merchandise.
I saw STAR WARS and The Empire Strikes Back several times. Saw 'Return' just once.
Same for the last three.
As for continuity, ending Luke's training with Yoda by having Yoda tell Obi Wan that Luke is NOT their "last hope" — "No. There is another" — and then failing to give Leia any significant Jedi traits in Return — was just simple incompetence.
What special award for being hugely over-rated can we give to George Lucas?
What a rich topic – so many readers making great points.
Too bad the Rocky sequels forgot that actually the first story was more of an ensemble story.
Rocky sequels could've had more integrity if they had further developed those other characters – give them rich conflicts etc – rather than focus more & more on Rocky repeating the same old big fight story.
The Color of Money was actually first a sequel novel written by the novelist who wrote The Hustler (Walter Tevis). The novel of TCoM was rich with a reunion of Fast Eddie and Minnesota Fats; a story far superior to the one contrived for the film. Reuniting Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason in those roles onscreen could've been powerful. But Scorcese said 'I don't do sequels'. What a foolishly wasted opportunity for a strong film.
That being said, I'm a big fan of screenwriter Richard Price, and it's a good movie if you don't think about the much better version which was sacrificed to ego and marketing calculations.
Agreed. No pun intended, but he dehumanized the stories when he made the bad guys into robots. Destroying robots is no big deal, but killing humans gives us pause and makes us wonder whether the characters are doing the right thing. If the Jedi killed 10,000 humans, we'd be disgusted, but they can kill 10 million droids and we won't bat an eye. It takes out the moral aspects, which usually are what make a story interesting.
I see this trend in a lot of movies now. So that they can keep the body count up, without disturbing the audience, they substitute humans, orcs, aliens for the enemy army. It's like a license to show a moral-free blood bath.
I agree on the Rise and Fall too, very simplistic. And even worse, he really never got into anyone's motivations, except on the surface. Very poor writing.
How about Toy Story 2?
As I recall, it was even better than the first Toy Story. Agreed?
It did a lot to ruin my love for ST, that's for certain. But I'm with you — although it wasn't the thighs that had my attention because I was bored LOL I kept wondering how the heck she got her hair shaved SO smooth! LOL I know that one of the biggest laughs was when she arrived on the Bridge and announced to Kirk that she had taken a celibacy vow. I'm sure everyone was thinking "Who cares?" LOL It wasn't until I read the book did I realize that her race exudes some pheromone that draws all sexes to them. But YOU SHOULD NEVER ASSUME THAT PEOPLE HAVE READ THE BOOK! Good grief. Anyway, it was defintely one of the worst sequels I've ever suffered through…until I saw Temple of Doom and Godfather III LOL
A character in a sequel has to be true to himself to work. Richard Sharpe remained a gutter brawler all the way through his series, ready to do what needed to be done even if it risked a flogging or prison and he was true to his experience.. Major Hogan once asked him what does one do when he runs out of money. "Do without, Sir." "No! You borrow!" Good writing is what makes a sequel. Shakespeare pulled it off again and again.
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My problem with sequels is that if it is an action adventure movie, the sequel has to be more EXCITING, and more DANGEROUS, and have more EXPLOSIONS than the original. I use "Death Wish" as an example. The first one was great. Then they had to make each sequel MORE exciting instead of keeping it on the same level. Indiana Jones was the same way. The first one was BELIEVABLE. The rest weren't.
I, for one, didn't mind the Ewoks. If they had popped up in "Aliens" or "Lord of the Rings," they'd have been entirely out of place. But let's face it, the first two Star Wars movies were incredibly kid-friendly. They were already selling dolls and action figures by the truckload before the teddy bears showed up. What is R2-D2 if not a metal Ewok, anyway?
My problem with "Jedi" is rather there is not enough to make adults look past the Ewoks. Han Solo lost his roguish charm; Luke proves once and for all that monks are not exciting; Admiral Ackbar and Lando's vaguely Mongolian sidekick just weren't convincing; and we already saw an assault on the death star. What the film has going for it are Leia in the bikini, the sand-pit scene, the forrest chase, the Emperor, and Darth Vader's redemption. That's it. Can't sustain an entire movie.
I wouldn't say Leboeuf is a zero. His niche is comedy, not action. I saw him on his Disney show at age twelve, or whatever, and said to myself, "This show is crap, but man, for a kid he's got incredible comedic timing."
Of course, the Hollywood big-wigs, who are supposed to know more than me, keep casting him in actioners. Why? Because "Transformers" was a hit. I'm sure hardly anyone outside of a certain percentage of tween gilrs went to see it for Leboeuf, but that's the way these things go.
You can't blame Brosnan for the bad run of Bond in the 90s and early 00s. He was at least as good as Dalton, in my opinion. The writing was crap, that's all.
"but there was no way an Indy film would be made in 2008 with Indy still fighting the Nazis (or even the Japanese) during WWII"
Oh, really? There were plenty of Nazi movies last year: "Valkyrie," "Defiance," "The Reader," "The Boy in the Striped Pajamas," and whatever the Viggo Mortensen one was called. Tarantino has one coming out this summer. They are still all the rage, sixty-plus years after the fact.
"Spielberg did not want to use the Nazis for that role after Schindler's list"
He already used them in "Saving Private Ryan" and "Band of Brothers". From what I've read, I think it's Lucas who really pushed for the move from 30s adventure serials to 50s Atomic Age stuff.
I can't stand by "The Matrix Reloaded". The philosophy of the original wasn't profound, but it did make the experience deeper than your average actioner. Part two went from intriguing to pedantic and pretentious. I also got sick of them ripping off Ira Levin's "This Perfect Day".
"Star Wars had a very Kurasawa feel to it. It was Zen, it was clean, minimalist, yet deep. It felt thoughtful. The re-do suddenly disrupted the whole feel of the movie by filling every single blank space with something for the ADD crowd. To me, it was like covering a work of art with flashing neon. That told me that Lucas never understood his original movie. What you say about Gary Kurtz, might add credence to that."
Sometimes the feel of a project is more "lightening in a bottle" than anything else. You accurately describe a certain aspect of the appeal of "Star Wars": everything fell together neatly, crisply. As opposed to the prequels, there weren't entire sections that could have been lifted straight out without disrupting anything.
On the other hand, I can't say they didn't appeal to the ADD crowd. Okay, so they didn't fill every space. But there were wall-to-wall strange creatures, flashing lights, explosions, and big ships. Especially compared to the usual sci-fi picture. Without "Star Wars," we'd probably still have a glut of CGI-ladden eye candy, but it was the trailblazer.
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That being said, I don't think the prequels failed because of an over-saturation of information. They lacked the spirit of adventure of the original series. Most notably, they lacked Han Solo. Everything was all men in robes worrying about the fate of the Republic and the Force amid inconsequential action (I'm talking to you, speeder race). By the climax, Lucas managed to pull all the strings together in genuinely captivating multiple-setting action sequences. The problem is, ALL of "Star Wars" was as exciting. You didn't have to wait for the end to be whisked away.
"Vaguely Mongolian sidekick"? I thought that was one of Howard Cosell's long time ago ancestors.
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