Comments on: Do The Warhol— Part 2: The Cult(ure) of Personality

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By: Old_Tom

Old_Tom — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:18:59 +0000

I was referring to the ridiculous online response to the "Jane Austin thing".

That is, it seems that the only way to package classic literature for modern popular consumption is to dumb it down to the level of modern popular culture.

Most of my comments are more subtle and nuanced than they appear to be on the surface.

Or not…

By: Tennessee_Jed

Tennessee_Jed — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:35:23 +0000

http://www.whoisjohngalt.com/2009/02/the-john-gal... Jake - I think this may be the screenplay you were looking for

By: AjaxMartini

AjaxMartini — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:47:20 +0000

Interesting. I've been looking at the posts made by Stage Right as well, who is advocating along similar lines for the Theatre. It is true that there need to be more conservative voices in arts and entertainment, but I don't think the solution is simply to inject more conservatives into the arts so much as tear down the Leftist walls built around the arts. Otherwise we'll just have the arts equivalent of Crossfire. Rather, I think we should make the arts a place for the individual artist, regardless of his stripe, to feel safe to express his/herself without fear of rejection based on political prejudice. The problem is that the current climate of the arts is due to it being Institutionalized by the Education Sysytem. Once an artform becomes "legit", i.e. accepted by the University, it becomes the property of the University. If you want to be a jazz nusician today, you better fork out the cash and study at a prestigious school. If you want your art seen by the "right" people you better go to the university. If you want to get the Actors Equity card without throwing a loaded dice by crashing Equity auditions you better get your parents to shell out the cash and get into a well known Theatre grad program.

By: ScottDS

ScottDS — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:13:53 +0000

Well put. And it's something others here have tried to explain as well: don't try to write "Conservatism is Awesome: The Movie." Just try to write the best movie (or TV show or book or song) you can and your values, whatever they may be, will come across on the page.

I recently re-read the first draft of the first act of a big teen comedy I wrote a long time ago. I'm middle of the road when it comes to politics but, for a movie that would no doubt be R-rated, some of it came off as surprisingly conservative, from the take no crap teacher to the girl who's saving herself for marriage (and is not portrayed as a freak but as nice, normal person). Who knew?

As for the teacher, I hate when movies and TV shows present teachers and parents as oblivious idiots (cough, Saved by the Bell) so I would naturally want to avoid that. And as for the girl, it always bothered me that, in most teen comedies, every single character was on the hunt for tail. Couldn't we just have one character that wasn't?

And not to get off topic but the DVD audio commentary for Kentucky Fried Movie (featuring Landis, Abrahams, and the Zuckers) is one of the funniest things I have ever heard. Ever.

By: StanH

StanH — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:57:42 +0000

It is always a challenge to be yourself and not take on a prose to make your work fit into a certain genre that you think will sell. This is as elusive as perpetual motion or cold fusion if you write, write from the heart or as the late great Frank Zappa once said, “you are who you is.” The point is, if you are a conservative, America loving person, it will show in your work just do your thing and your values will naturally come through, force it and it will come off as contrived and phony. Another group of successful movie makers got started with an amateurish movie, “The Kentucky Fried Movie,” directed by, John Landis, written by the Zucker Brothers and Jim Abrahams.

By: bluecollarbytes

bluecollarbytes — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:50:30 +0000

Consumers of PopCulture want affirmation in their lives, whether it's through music, film, books, etc. I think this is why films that cast America and its long-held publicly-acknowledged values in a bad…even 'evil' light, do miserably, not even picking up millions of ticket sales from the millions of American Leftists. Whether they want to admit it or not, even the Leftists have have an ingrained sense of America that draws upon long-held long-honored values unique to THIS nation.
The hope for this country's future lies with the youth. Our politicians are old, stuck in ruts of their own making. Conservatism Is exciting, or can be when properly presented, as long as there is substance that follows the rhetoric. What's more exciting…..'signing up for ObamaCare' that will infect every facet of life, or being informed that their future is wide open, the possibilities limited Only by their own imagination? This is where today's Republicans are missing it. I do consume PopCulture. Anytime I hear of some "corny" singer, actor, band, or cartoonist implying traditional values, I sense Hope.

sort of ramblin….but that's how I feel at the moment

By: mrdarklight

mrdarklight — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:47:37 +0000

Warhol didn't say "In fifteen minutes, everyone will be famous," at least not originally. He changed the quote around a lot after he started getting asked about it constantly. His original famous quote was "In the future, everyone will be famous for 15 minutes."

By: CrisD

CrisD — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:44:21 +0000

And in general I will add this-
I paint pictures. I am conservative. I have been to college and graduate school. I find it difficult to follow this thread at all.