Sadly, I think this boat sailed years ago.

Good points though.

Now Jason Voorhees has been preaching abstinance for a long time. Send all horny teens to Crystal Lake for the weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_wFEB4Oxlo

Was this the Boat – Darn!

For the win.
Post of the day!!

Yeah, but then he goes and poses with a topless/naked model in Interview Magazine? That really encourages abstinence!

This is the nexus of their agenda.

DC’s motto: The Govt Machine will assimilate all; resistance is futile.

we are the Borg…

You are so right. Were has our pride gone? I start blushing at some point practically every time I go to the movies or turn the television on. It really is horrible that the media begins attacking us at such a young age. I am extremely blessed to be brought up in a Christian home with morals, but many of my friends don't hold the same values as I do. All I have to say is, my parents would die of shame if I did some of the things they do all the time like it's no big deal. It really is sad that purity has become something of a joke. Thank you for posting this, and God bless.

"If Hollywood put all of its “virginity is for suckers” energy into promoting “saving sex till marriage,” I bet we’d see a very different, much more lopsided statistic. Of course Hollywood could never do that, as they don’t believe in “forcing ones beliefs on others”…"

Hmm. Actually, Hollywood used to do EXACTLY that. Let me think, when was that … oh, yes, that was called the Golden Age of Hollywood.

Nice to be old enough to remember when Hollywood did indeed force its belief on the public that saving yourself for marriage was the ideal. Yes, it did help to create a culture where there were strong marriages and strong family ties. Ah, well, we were all probably terribly oppressed and just didn't know it. Yeah, that's it…

Virginity is powerful. That's why they hate it.

Alex P. Keaton's friend Skippy (Marc Price) from Family Ties went on to a career as a stand-up comedian. In one routine, he looked my generation in the eye and said "because you guys had sex with everyone, I can't have sex with anyone." Teenagers need to learn self-control, but more importantly that sex is great, but it isn't the be-all end-all of your life. Many teens have this "sex all the time" thing thrown at them, and they believe it's normal. Abstinence is the best policy, but knowing that teenage hormones are not subject to pure reason, they need to understand that no condom is perfect, STD's are everywhere, and if you can't practice abstinence, try at least to get as close to it as possible. My parents said "if you can't be good, be careful." It is important that teens who choose not to become involved in sex before marriage not be marginalized. Fidelity to one other person in your life is a noble goal. It's a valid, and very traditionally legitimate option.

I hope your syphilis clears up soon. The dementia is making you say really nasty things.

Apologies if this appears twice.

Well said, Lawhawk. As I mentioned above, not every teen is focused on sex all the time, but it doesn't hurt to be educated and careful.

Right on Steven! I love reading your blogs and seeing your videos. It gives me hope. I'm a 24 year old virgin….I know, I know, 40 ain't far off….don't remind me, my guys make fun of me enough. I taught middle school girls in my Sunday school class for almost 6 years. Some had eventually become promiscuous in their later high school years, but I always had this commitment not to be hypocritical with them. I felt strongly responsible to my God, my girls, and my fellow taxpayers. Pregnancy and STDs are not worth it regardless of how damaging that would be to my Christian witness.

Besides, I'm cute and I work construction, so believe me, I get hit on plenty. It is certainly not for lack of guys trying. God's got my husband out there somewhere, until then it's a sick game of hide and seek.

Haha Prejean's moral convictions where she poses topless and lies about it? And she was not villified she was just shown to be a liar as she touted her morals.

I agree with you Steven. Another thing my husband and I have noticed with the pre-teen shows right now is how the writers make the parent's characters so incredibly stupid and naive. Was pretty sure that is where my 9yr old son was picking up the 'tude, so we experimented and kept him off of Nickelodean for a couple of months. Did the trick. He doesn't even miss it anymore.

This article sux! I wouldn't wanna nail u anyway, Crowder.

Screw daddy, take it off, sweetheart!

What post were you reading?

Glad you are not my father or the father of my children!

That's actually one of my pet peeves. It has nothing to do with sex or religion: I HATE shows that feature parents and teachers as oblivious idiots. I think that's why I never got into Saved by the Bell. "What? My son went on a joyride to Vegas? Why, my son would never do that! He's in his room studying right now!"

Okay, rant over. You know what show did parents justice? Freaks and Geeks.

Thank you, Steven!

And if you think it's difficult for teens/20-somethings in this culture, imagine how difficult it is for people ages 30+ who are still not married. You might as well tell people you're from another planet.

Well, underage abortion is legal and encouraged. In fact, if you are a 16 yr girl, it is easier to get an abortion than to find an aspirin in school.

Makes sense, right?

You know that was a great article. I wholeheartedly agree with it. It's a shame how hollywood and the left promote promiscuity like it's a badge of honor. It's the wrong message. Your led to believe that sex is the only thing great in life. And that it must be experienced first chance you get, and then as much as you can afterwords. With as many people. Hence, disease and illness. But., as you mentioned in this great article, that the polls taken are not really that accurate, because boys are not going to admit there virginity to some stranger. So there is still a glimmer of hope. Before I end here, I must confess to something. Well, forget confession, It wasn't a sin.(technically) I lost my virginity at the ripe old age of 19. And you know what, I was glad for that. It made me appreciate the way I was raised. With good,strong morals. And ESPECIALLY, the respect for the opposite sex. The funny thing is how I came to lose my virginity. It served to educate me in how weak I was, and that I blatantly led myself to that fateful/wonderful day?? After all I was saving myself for marriage. Can you imagine that??? A !9 year old(boy) in 1984, saving himself. HA! Of course I had to lie through my teeth about it. But now I sit here and say I was pretty dam proud to last as long a s I did! So if there are any teenagers reading this article, or this post…Don't fret. Being a virgin IS cool. It shows your character and your ability to be a strong, moralistic, and righteous person. Sex is great, but waiting for the ideal moment, and the right person, will be worth it's weight in gold.

I put a hippie in a headlock under each arm until they lose control of all bodily functions and I get a good stretch.

It never enters your sick, twisted mind that someone might want to abstain from sex simply because they don't want to be a slut and sleep with anyone that comes along, eh?

Pathetic.

I'll keep my own counsel on that, Dan. But my kids believed I believed it, and knew I would enforce it. The girls' worst fear was having to introduce their current boyfriends to me, since they weren't allowed to go out with anybody I hadn't met, and they knew I had spies everywhere. I simply pointed out to the boys that we always needed new voices in the church choir, and it was up to them if they were going to sing bass or soprano. My son was a good young man, but also very smart, and I know he managed to get outside my spy network. They're all happily married and have children whose parentage is not in doubt.

With our amazing appearing, disappearing and re-appearing posts, this will probably end up as a duplicate. But here goes anyway:

I'll keep my own counsel on that, Dan. But my kids believed I believed it, and knew I would enforce it. The girls' worst fear was having to introduce their current boyfriends to me, since they weren't allowed to go out with anybody I hadn't met, and they knew I had spies everywhere. I simply pointed out to the boys that we always needed new voices in the church choir, and it was up to them if they were going to sing bass or soprano. My son was a good young man, but also very smart, and I know he managed to get outside my spy network. They're all happily married and have children whose parentage is not in doubt.

You keep going young lady, don't give in until you feel it's time. And don't pay any attention to these jackasses and there posts.

Stop forcing your morality on us.

My parents say I have to report you the the Public Health Department because you gave me syphilis, gonorrhea, and genital herpes. Then you moved out of town. Please post your address so I can have them get hold of you. They will be the guys in the haz-mat suits.

EXCELLENT!!!

JB, she didn't "pose" topless. I know what topless posing looks like and she wasn't doing it. You're just upset that TMZ didn't remove those stars from the photos. The most exposing of those photos was definitely not a pose for the camera.

She explained all that and, having been in the business, everything she said about those shoots was perfectly plausible and very likely to be true as she said. Good on her…she won this battle!!

Steven – as a teacher in a Christian school, let me encourage you: plenty of people in their twenties, thirties and – gasp! – higher haven't had sex.

And believe me, man, it's intentional. Incidentally, even hotties have convictions. (And a quick right hook.)

OH MY! I am SO unfortunate to never have had a male in my bed, especially one like you who feels that they're God's gift to women! Whatever shall I do?! Forget the notion of adopting from poor countries and giving them a chance at a great life–I NEED to have the fruit of my own womb in my arms to prove that I'm a female.

Go back to the cave you came from and go find a woman who will actually believe your bull crap.

You rock. I was going to comment on this thread, but you took the words right out of my mouth (You do realize that's unsanitary, right?). LOL!

I just heard Dennis Miller on O'Reilly say that when he was speaking at an event with George HW Bush, Bush told him to keep it clean, his wife was going to be there. The whole matter of decency in front of women is just gone, girls are laughing at nastiness, setting the tone that they are 'one of the guys.' Kinda feel that each time I watch Red Eye and hear the really off-color cracks by Schulzie.. shows little respect for the women on the show.. Girls have turned into something that I guarantee they'll not want their own daughters to be..

A couple of months ago I read an article about a study that showed that teenagers who watch TV and movies with sexually explicit themes and images are more likely to get pregnant or get their partner pregnant than those who don't. The article includes quotes like:

"Dr Chandra said that sexual content on TV had doubled in recent years, coinciding with teenage pregnancy rates edging up after decades of decline."

"Studies have found a link between watching television shows with sexual content and becoming sexually active earlier, and between sexually explicit music videos and an increased risk of sexually transmitted diseases."

"Among the 718 youths who reported being sexually active during the study, the likelihood of getting pregnant or getting someone else pregnant increased steadily with the amount of sexual content they watched, the researchers found."

The article is in the UK's Times Online: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_an...

Man, Hollywood, it sucks for research and science go and trip you up like that.

Thanks Knuckles! I'll do my best! May God bless ya!

Stay strong, I know it's difficult. God is with you, always, until the very end of the ages. (Matthew 28:20)

Everytime my 4 teenagers try to explain why Latter-Day Saints live the Law of Chastity till they get married they just get dumb stares from kids their age.
I always explained it to the kids I taught in Jr. High like this:

Its like the Milkman pulling you over and giving you a speeding ticket…he can do it but he does not have the proper AUTHORITY !!!!!

You can have sex when you are 13…. but unless you are married, you don't have the AUTHORITY to have sex.
(And no I don't think it is OK to get married at age 13 !!)

Ahem….It always seemed to flow right over their heads as well…….

Now I understand why I never liked Saved By The Bell: I never bought into the idea that adults are dumber than kids. That's why you don't have children teaching school.

If they'd gone the other way and shown that it was just Obfuscating Stupidity, I might have been convinced… Never trust grownups. They're always up to something, especially if they're Boomers.

As Ron White puts it, there's a difference between a right and a capability.

Nothing sexier than a woman with a shotgun in her hand…sweet!!!! Hey jonnyboy…I thinks it's time to get out of your mothers basement. It's starting to effect your brain.

Haha, Ain't you just being sweet yourself! Problem as I see it is, Johnny Boy is still a boy. Either that or some hostler roped him in and placed a couple of rubber bands so he wouldn't procreate. Thank you Hostler, whoever you are.

Excellent post, Mr. Crowder. Here's my question to the trolls: Why does it bother you so much that some people have decided not to rush into having sex? What's it to you? It's not affecting you in any way. I'm sure you can find plenty of people who share your views and are willing to have sex with you, so why the nasty comments? If you disagree with the point of Mr. Crowder's post – fine, live your life the way you want to. But why are you personally offended by people that have higher standards than you?

"You cannot have lockstep cradle to grave unquestioning socialism as long as loving families raise their own children to be humble, obedient, love others as themselves, and put God and Country over selfish pursuits."

This is a Capitalist country. "selfish pursuits" aren't just IN the blood of our system, they ARE the blood

I always love this theory because of just HOW much supposition and logical leaps have to be made for it to work. In order to carry out this kind of massive, all-encompassing socialist conspiracy. I mean, the basic theory at play here is that the WHOLE of the entertainment industry from the Hollywood studios aaaaaaaall the way down to online pornographers and all points in between are all providing sexually-explicit material as part of a long-term coordinated plan to weaken the nuclear family which is in-turn part of an even LONGER-term coordinated plan to institute socialism DESPITE the fact that socialism would mean the end of them as businesspeople…
(continued)

My Momma told me "Who's going to buy the cow if they can get the milk for free." That one really worked for me! I also had the chance to study sexuality and learn that during the 1940's girls discovered that so-called premarital sex usually did not lead to marriage after all, so they would NOT have sex and then marry that one! I just escaped the sexual revolution myself, and I learned a lot from watching those around me suffer. Now that we have been happily married for over 20 years, I wonder if the ones who were having sex at 20 are having sex now–so many are divorced or in "dry" marriages. Natural Family Planning, which forces us to wait while the woman (me!) is most interested, but allows us to have a honeymoon every month, has made our sex life indescribably great!

Hmm… I agree that this culture of teen sexuality which stigmatizes virginity is wrong, but I don't think it has anything to do with Hollywood being liberal. The product supplies what consumers demand, and teens obviously prefer sex-focused pics over anything approaching restraint. I don't think movies promoting sexual morality would ever sell, especially among teens, and would subsequently be of little value. Same with violence; I am depressed that horror flicks — avatars of violent and sexual depravity — are such a lasting tradition of American of culture. It's not fair to punish the audience or the producers, though. Money goes where it goes.

Not true. The age of consent varies by state. Many states the minimum age for consent is 16. Nearly all states have added so much to their legalese to their sex laws that an older-but-still-underage male can be found guilty as a sex offender for sex with his girlfriend.

Only as recently as 2007 have Indiana, Florida, Connecticut and Texas passed "Romeo and Juliet" laws. Lawmakers in these four states have recognized consensual sex between minors or an adult 18 years of age and a minor 14-16 years of age as intimacy and not the same as molestation. Underage sex is still illegal, but now some descretion can be applied by authorities.

An example of this is the case of a Florida man who, at 17, began having consensual sex with his 15-year-old girlfriend; when he turned 18, the girl’s disapproving mother pressed charges and he plead no contest. He was then legally compelled to register as a sex offender. He was finally able to remove his name at the age of 28 when Florida passed this law.

http://womensissues.about.com/od/datingandsex/a/R...

One other alarming and "icky" development is girls acting out with other girls to turn the guys on. What the hell is that all about?! I'm writing from a VERY small town in the upper midwest and that is apparently very widespread. In my experience (long ago in the wild early 70's!) guys did not need any incentive to be "turned on"…we would no more have thought of dancing nasty with another girl or making out with one than cutting off our own leg. Seriously! Does everything have to devolve into sex and perverted sex at that?!

Promiscuity hurts…it is NOT a good plan and does NOT make anyone involved happy.

One other thing…re the "conspiracy"…I don't think there is a conscious conspiracy to ruin families and young people and society…I think evil has taken root in people's hearts…they have been led to believe in themselves as the ultimate power-God is a myth…the earth and all "animal" instincts over-ride all. It is an evil that is spreading…those of you on the left can't possibly think that what our society has become is GOOD. Rampant-RAMPANT-STDs, unwanted babies, abortions that kill more than have died in all our wars…broken families with hurting wife, father and children…alcohol and drug abuse…all to "party". Well, party on Garth…

California long ago got rid of its "statutory rape" statutes and replaced them with "unlawful sexual conduct." In cases of an adult and a child, the distinction is unimportant because the penalties are as harsh as ever. But when it comes to younger people, the law specifies when the penalties kick in, if at all, based on the difference in ages between the youngsters. Children age twelve or under cannot give consent under any circumstances, regardless of the age of the other child. But if two children age twelve or under do have sex, it is not addressed by the penal code (criminal statutes). It is addressed rather by the civil code, the health and safety code, and the welfare and institutions code, each of which have specific sections relating to juvenile law. As with all one paragraph-long discussions of the law, this is an oversimplification, but you get the idea.

I posted a comment about California law on the subject. It may show up, it may not, but it was just informational only.

Don't get too riled up by these fools. We get trolls here, but today they have been unusually crude and unusually unintelligent.

This is so true, virgins are thought to be prehistoric, like that cell phone that looked like a fridge everyone use to walk around with.
It may not be the in thing, but i would rather be out and still have my dignity than in and lose a piece of myself every time i give Harry, John and Peter what they want.
Try telling someone you are 22 and still a virgin, they look at you like you have three heads.

Thanks! It really doesn't bother me, though. It's nice to see some good fighters when it comes to a battle of wits. I love so many of the blogs on here, and have commented on others, but you're totally right, today is a bit unusually unusual. Something in the water….oh well. Have a great night!

"But from my own personal research sex especially at such a young age rarely has any benefits"

See, that's where you lose people – rightly or wrongly. When a dude is 18, sex doesn't NEED to have "benefits" – it IS the benefit

Once upon a time, Dennis Miller was going to be the next Carlin. I don't know if there's been a sadder fall in modern comedy.

Are you sure?

To all those that are saving themselves for that special someone they marry,
my husband was 40 when we got married. Now I'm not saying that any of you
are going "to be that old" when you tie the knot, but I'm sooooo glad he waited
for me. Our love life is wonderful and it won't be long 'til we have our 10th
anniversary.

Perez Hilton!!!!! Steven is not interested in you. Go back to 9th avenue will ya.

Bob, I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt as you sometimes post coherently. Unfortunately, I think you have officially now crossed into official Troll territory.

Congratulations. Your parents must be so proud.

[...] good column came out from Stephen Crowder with which I agree:  Is there anything more abnormal than being a mid-teen virgin in the year [...]

Helly-wood isn't what it used to be. There might be a half dozen people in the entire region who are fit to carry John Wayne's hat (I know one personally). As for the rest – Pfftt!

Sow the beans, reap the flatus.

I'm not gonna lie, all I read was "Alex P. Keaton's friend Skippy (Marc Price) from Family Ties " and I knew immediately that your post was genius. Thumbs up.

…I gues I should go back and acutally read it now.

"When a dude is 18, sex doesn't NEED to have "benefits" – it IS the benefit "

Then they get to reap the benefit of gonorrhea, syphilis, and blue pills later on in life. LOL

Don't worry. You'll find her. My husband was sort of in your shoes too; then, he found her. It tends to happen when you least expect it. We were set up for example.

Defending the sale of sex (particularly to the most vulnerable) as just another sign of a healthy capitalistic society is ridiculous and abhorrent. A healthy level of self-interest is essential to capitalism, yes, but losers like those who push sex on kids shouldn't get a free pass for being "good capitalists." They have more in common with Obama than with those who bring out the best in capitalism. Like Obama, they're willing to sacrifice people (their customers, the unborn, those who disagree with them) to serve their own ends. They support Obama because, like him, they don't really care about the welfare of their target market, as long as they can keep raking in the bucks (or the kudos from bottom-dwellers like Wanda Suck-up). They can publicly endorse free enterprise (for all or just for folks like them) or socialism (as long as it doesn't hit them in the pocketbook), but ultimately, with their screwed up priorities, they'll bring out the worst in everything they touch.

Let's not just accept lowlifes like this as "necessary evils" that come with capitalism. They are a cancer in any country, and they don't deserve to be defended simply because they know how to make a free enterprise system work for them (at the expense of everyone else).

Want a real wake-up call? Try reading the fiction on the bookshelves today targeting "young adult." It makes the Hollywood movies look tame.
http://the100mostannoyingthings.blogspot.com/

My husband and I saved ourselves for marriage also (with God's help, of course, since we were both tempted, more than once, to do otherwise). I was 28 and he 31 when we married. It was definitely worth waiting for.

Nothing says love like the "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free" attitude so many hedonistic singles have towards their "significant others." What do the others actually signify in this case–other than, "You exist to give me pleasure" ?

Choosing to engage in pre-marital sex does not lead to "real love." Even if ModernElegance remains single, she'll have more of a real grasp of "real love" than you're likely ever to have. And she is passing on her family values already by sharing them with those willing to listen. If she marries, her children will benefit from her good example (and likely not fall victim to the STDs–speaking of "thinning the herd").

Very good post! I came out of the same era…and know many people who are stuck in that time-warp and have wasted their lives…partying. It's beyond sad.

Thank you Ted!!!! I thought I was alone. I have never found her attactive either & just could not understand why anyone else did.

"You know, most of her stuff is political trolling, but Auntie really shows what she's made of when she gets down to the level of HA HA, YOU'VE NEVER HAD A WOMAN."

"Yes, a sad and pathetic creature that enjoys trying to inflict misery on people whom he/she deems to be subhuman."

It would seem that auntie is portraying / harboring a few facists setiments. Guess the Aunite is a tribute to Orwell.

Back in my day (the 90s) my virginity was a burden I had to get rid of as soon as possible. I wasn't ready, and I didn't want to and looking back I realize most of my friends probably felt the same way.

The abstinence teachings from my mother and the church consisted of "The Bible says don't do it, so don't do it. Pregnancy. AIDS." With my daughter I plan on stressing the self-respect factor more than the "Jesus can see you" factor.

There is a difference between "not getting laid" and choosing to wait for marriage. I believe in love and marriage. I am 21 and haven't had sex. I am waiting for the one I want to spend the rest of my life with. When sex becomes used as a tool for pleasure, it looses its meaning. It is hard when people and friends your age, all they want to do is go out and binge, then have dry sex on the dance floor. But guess what? Waiting and not participating is worth it.

I'd bet dollars to donuts in a televised debate she would wipe the floor with you.You'd probably flee after peeing your pants with the bright lights and whatnot.

Misery? I thought abstinence was the best thing since sliced bread.

several very good points are made here. First of all, selfish self interest is fine; it appeals to the objectivist in us. And we don't like conspiracy stories any more than you. However, it is an institutional mindset- not a real 'conspiracy'. Like you will always see a black guy and a blonde female together but NEVER the reverse. Why? The NEA and Hollywood seem to be in cahoots about exposing children to raw sex ASAP. As far as killing themselves off as business people, these are mostly artists who engage in commerce.Ergo, clueless about Adam Smith. So, it's more of a loose collection of secularists who despise what they see as 'small minded' religious conservatives, and intend to lord over their demise with glee.

Make sense?

This is exactly why I despise movies like "The 40 Year Old Virgin". I could only make it half way through that one. It really bothered me that they were sending the message that if you choose not to have sex, somehow you are not "normal". What makes them get to define normal? And why are they, to use a religious term, so "evangelistic" about others having sex? Why should it possibly matter to them?

Haven't you watched Judge Judy or Judge Joe Brown? An endless parade of people not doing enough thinking above their waist, who in lots of cases are reasonably intelligent otherwise, ranging from stupid things done by youngsters involving boyfriends and/or girlfriends, to stupid things done by otherwise mature adults involving boyfriends, girlfriends, and/or spouses. You don't have to watch long to understand why both keep going on about personal responsibility, with Judy's often-made comment about how young people should live alone in small apartments until they're ready to marry making perfect sense.

The (anecdotal) evidence is in. If you don't hold off at least until your mid to late twenties, when your brain can start thinking past the hormones and your life is getting settled, you've likely got misery and suffering coming that may be with you for life. Keep your pants on until you can think straight, know happiness.

Thanks, Steven! Nice to have a guy on my side!

But what about the Hays Code? You have to remember that if many of today's movies were made then, they would not be allowed.

Has anyone noticed that the tolerant left accuses people of being "gay" an awful lot?

Which is hilarious, because I made my biggest blunders in my careless 20s. I was much more responsible (read: scared) in my teens. Did I say hilarious? I meant ironic.

Back in my day, the Roman proconsul used to host lavish orgies with teenage sex slaves. And the pagans ridiculed the Christians for their values.

It Is called a joke and if you think about it then you will see that a vibrator has many other than sexual uses. Too bad you people jumped to the sexual conclusion. I just posted it as a joke since I can and have been censored here for less offensive replies.

But for the truth I will post something that you may find repulsive and offensive but it is the truth. I fail to see how Sean Penn and Hollywood are to blame for this. Hell when I was 12 I did not even know what Anal meant let alone what it was.
So anyway take a look at this site and the findings.

HOUSTON – (April 8, 2009) – Middle school youth are engaging in sexual intercourse as early as age 12, according to a study by researchers at The University of Texas School of Public Health.

In the study, Markham and colleagues defined sexual intercourse as vaginal, oral or anal sex. According to their research, by age 12, 12 percent of students had already engaged in vaginal sex, 7.9 percent in oral sex, 6.5 percent in anal sex and 4 percent in all three types of intercourse.

The study found one-third of sexually active students reported engaging in vaginal or anal sex without a condom within the past three months, and one-fourth had four or more partners. The more experienced students in all three types of intercourse were more likely to be male and African-American.

http://publicaffairs.uth.tmc.edu/media/newsreleas...

Because people with higher standards make them look stupid and it reminds them on how bad they actually feel about themselves.

You nailed it.

wonderful contribution that happens to be spot on correct… congrats!

I can't claim to be a PETA supporter, but their organization exists to protect what they see as the rights of animals. That is their cause. Why should they devote their resources to pushing YOUR cause? It's quite possible that some PETA members are also in groups that support things you believe in, but it's simply ludicous to say that an organization that exists to promote one ideology has a "double standard" if they don't devote their time to a completely unconnected idea.

Actually it seems these numbers are the bare minimum when we can pretend to assume the "young adults" can assume responsibility. 18 for voting and contracts, 16 for driving (varies and is moving upwards), 21 for drinking. Societal tolerance matters, drunk driving becoming much less tolerated led to underage drinking crackdowns and raising the drinking age to where (in theory) alcohol is kept away from the most inexperienced group of drivers.

With sex though, it seems we've given up thinking there can ever be responsibility involved. Adult to minor remains as the only consensual act with serious legal repercussions, solely because "age of consent" denies it's consensual. Even that is getting chipped away, sometimes for good reasons as the current legal morass snares unintended victims. There are already exemptions for parental consent, which seem based in allowing the underaged to marry (and then have sex) with parental permission but since marriage no longer means anything…

I'll grant that in the "old days" short lifespans made early sex necessary, but then "adulthood" by necessity started much earlier than today. There are still places in the world where that qualifies. However in the "modern" world there is neither the expectation that people that young take on serious responsibilities nor a desire to entrust such to them. Why is sex given such a pass? We don't allow 16 year olds to drink if they promise to only do it at home, nor 14 year olds to drive while insisting it's only okay if they stick to high-survivability cars. Sex can lead to death, and the killing of others, with lifespans shortened by various amounts, let alone chronic conditions for life. But for this one thing, we don't mandate responsibility? We send them off thinking everything will be fine because they'll use the magic piece of latex? And we know how powerfully the pleasure of sex hits the brain, at that age it can be intense. Would you allow a kid a snort or two of coke, then expect them to stay away from it unless they were sure they could handle it?

For anything else with such dire potential consequences, we insist on tight regulations with legal penalties. For this, we don't even send them off for a training class with a strict warning to wait until they're old enough. Squashing the Hollywood culture of permissiveness while insisting on abstinence until they're of legal age is the least we can do. And even that is a major cop-out from our responsibilities as a society.

so good to see Anti's alter ego… perhaps now, with proper instruction, we can have a proper pie!

Strange you're so certain of that. Do you think he's hiding in your closet?

Down With Sponge Bob!

Wait, your husband "found her", so that must mean it wasn't YOU.

i was already belly-laughing at the title: virginity's for suckers.

isn't that what clinton told mon?

Dude your religion is hiding the fact that you can't score

Sean Penn has personally done his bit to make sure there are fewer teen virgins. Ask him about visitors to his burned-down trailer houses in Malibu some time.

So far in this topic "Auntie" has claimed if a guy doesn't get it by 26 he never will, and if a woman doesn't go for it in her 20's she'll stay single, loveless, and childless.

Therefore AF (America's Funniest) is about 25 1/2, using his massive powers of persuasion to talk up some girl he presumes is a virgin with his stunning displays of logic, while showing how manly he is by courageously trolling at a conservative web site. "Hey babe, see how brave I am, I'm hacking these morons to pieces!" You can smell his frustration in his frantic nonsensical posts, the brain above the neck hasn't kicked in yet.

Soon he'll be about 25 yrs 11 mo and 27 days old, trying to really impress her by robbing a mini-mart while he still has time. At which point either natural selection will be invoked, or perhaps he can take a cooking class in prison. Either way his trolling here ends, and there's a slightly increased chance we'll finally get pie. Happy days are a'coming soon!

As a 24-year-old mother of 3 –two of which are girls– I whole heatedly agree with your statement there. We've had this strange paradigm shift in our culture where men are more attractive if they are effeminate and women are more attractive if they come off as being one of the guys. While people tell me I'm such a "cool girl" for being so… guy-like, they call my husband… rude names for being a good man.

This made me laugh so hard that tears are streaming down my face!

Except that he was poking some 15 year old while making Disney movies with her, and had her sending him pictures of her little timmies. Yeah, he's a great guy!

So right.

Because ACORN was committing voter fraud by making an effort to register people?

Jeff, what a really odd and confused comment to make. Did you seriously not understand a word Crowder wrote? How could you conclude that he wants young teen girls to "service the neighborhood boys", after he wrote a whole column calling for Hollywood to end it's promotion of juvenile sex?

Work on your reading comprehension.

"Like you will always see a black guy and a blonde female together but NEVER the reverse."

Firstly… what does that have to DO with anything?

Secondly… I'm going to conclude you did NOT see Star Trek this weekend, then?

"So, it's more of a loose collection of secularists who despise what they see as 'small minded' religious conservatives, and intend to lord over their demise with glee."

See, THAT I can see. I mean, I dunno about a "collection," but I know *I* always get a warm feeling whenever the religious fails at, well, anything. But that sounds basically plausible to me. My objection is to the notion that it's all this HUGE plan as part of a HUGER plan for world-socialism. I'm sorry, that's just dumb.

Depends on what we're debating, I'll grant. I mean, I wouldn't want to challenge her on the price of various shoes in Beverly Hills, that's for darn sure. Politics, though? Biblical business she's apparently very fond of? Yeah, I'd probably take that – on the condition that NEITHER of us is allowed to use a coach – unless of course The Donald or this "Marriage Group" wants to buy ME one, too

"Riding the bone roller coaster" Are you serious? How about "Duffeling the Hog"? It's much more polite.

Your post makes no sense. You cite no statistics that actually relate to Hollywood and teen sex or give examples of how the latter relates to teen sex, simply listing shows and movies – one which being from the 90s. Furthermore the statistic you do cite is simply useless to helping your own argument because as you yourself erronesously admit virgintiy through teenage years is probably higher than 40%, because, as you state, a "good percentage" of this blind-study are men (nevermind their teenage men/boys). If this statistic favors "lonely little virgins even more" then it doesn't help your argument. So, then you go on to blame Hollywood for this "lopsided statistic." I don't know what hill you live on, but lopsided things are usually just that, lopsided. Not something that as you admit to, is greater than 40%. In fact that's not a lopsided statistic it's marginally positioned to one side, at best. Lopsided does not equal simple majority, for that matter, because then there would be no need for lopsided things, now would there?

not yet- will see it this weekend… the other reference was about the constant media reminder of interracial relationships; what we meant is that you literally never see the reverse- we saw Uhuru and Kirk kiss way back when- so that's water under yon bridge. Face it- the so-called 'artistic' community, which is not business savvy, makes money up front. A $40 million budget is spent as if it was a grant; which of course it is. Then the business people get involved. In the years we have monitored Hollywood we have seen a dedicated attempt to spread secular humanistic left wing propaganda. It's just what they believe…

no, they were making up fictitious voters- and they organize to take indigents to the polls as well.

Only partially, because while Efron's character convinced his daughter not to sleep with her loser, criminal boyfriend, there was little issue with the fact that the daughter was conceived while the parents were in high school.

Real message: not going to college because you have a kid and wife at 18 won't stop you from owning a large home in LA, and so long as you really each other, you are mature enough for sex and whatever consequences come from that. Just find someone better to be stupid with than the school bully.

Agreed. Forget any morals , principles, or character. All we ever see is all fun and no consequences, no STDs, no emotional damage done.

I found it pretty easy to keep from having sex as a teen, not because I didn't have offers, I just couldn't stomach the idea of having sex with any male I knew. I wasn't shy at all, maybe considered ugly, who the hell knows, but I know friends of mine that stayed virgins and they were far from the shy, ugly, pathetic stereotype people push off on virgins. I personally don't care what other people choose to do with their bodies, but I do think people should think more about the consequences of sex before hooking up with random people.

The main problem with teens is they have such low self esteem, most will give into having sex so they aren't the butt of a joke. I personally never cared when my virginity was insulted. Granted, I like shows like Gossip Girl, movies like American Pie, ect., I blame parents more than entertainment, considering through my teens I read, listened to music, watched television shows and movies with sex involved, but my Mom, Grandma, and Grandpa taught me from a young age that sex involves more responsibility than just doing it.

I never got it either, from what I learned from a coworker who was also a dairy farmer, cows are high maintenance, requiring milking three times a day besides feeding and… cleaning up. Owning just one seems bad enough, but managing a herd? Three times a day with little sleep, how do you keep up? And getting milk for free is normally stealing, when you jump the fence into the farmer's field and squirt out your own. Unless you're dumpster diving behind the supermarket, and hoping you don't get sick. A better analogy would be renting a cow, but I've yet to hear of any arrangement where that worked out.

The major problem with getting married young is whether it's out of love or lust. Going by the parade of real winners on the half-hour courtroom shows, I think knowing which is a real problem under 25, let alone 20. It does take to around the mid to late 20's to think despite the hormones. If you get married young, this is the evaluation time. If you're good friends and it's working out for you, then you stay. If you're only really together for some enticing then consummation, then you go. And these days any kids that happened mean a lot less in the decision.

However, as learned in the days of arranged marriages between adolescents, one of the toughest parts of a long-term committed relationship is starting a long-term committed relationship. Once you're in, even if you think you'll do better elsewhere, you want to stay in. It's taken decades of "your happiness comes first" claptrap to start changing that, and when has that ever worked out when family is involved? We put up with kids, spouses, jobs we don't like, waste valuable vacation time visiting relatives we really don't care that much for. Willingness to sacrifice is the biggest factor in making a marriage work. If they've been raised right and understand that's a part of life, let them get married young, good chance it'll stick.

That's why pre-marital doesn't work. It's done for individual happiness, your own pleasure, plus I'll note that often it can be one-sided, one takes what the other, hoping for more, freely gives. If the point gets reached where greater happiness lies elsewhere… Living together before marriage also fails, they tend to find nothing has really changed except a legal document is making it harder to separate. If they didn't want to wait for marriage so they could separate easily, in case things don't "work out," then why should they expect things will be better when they make it harder to part ways? Thus you get divorces, or sexless "ongoing living arrangements."

Your commitment to marriage should match the commitment you expect in the bedroom. Two people who have been waiting, pumped up and ready to go, ready to jump together and merge, wherever it takes them. You try to "sample" that commitment beforehand, why that's like before you get to the bedroom you… well, you know.

Oh, natural family planning, aka the rhythm method, promoted amongst Catholics? That's letting it build up during the days of the month after the theoretical ovulation, and then the monthly gift, then using the "grace period" before the next ovulation. Given research I've read showing the days right before ovulation actually matter most in getting pregnant, and the well-earned stereotype of Catholics having large families, I'd recommend instead taking a break when it seems too routine and waiting until both are really eager to start up again.

So you would be willing to (metaphorically) beat up a pretty girl, as long as it's on your terms? Are you working yourself up to take on a former beauty queen, Sarah Palin?

Awesome! So nice to know we are not alone. My brother is still a virgin at 23, so we stand strong together. What a blessing from God to have found your man. But the creeps make you appreciate your fiancée even more, I'm sure. That's exactly what I'm waiting for….the one God brings to me. Congratulations on your engagement and best wishes for your wedding day!

[...] One would have to wonder how much different that statistic would be if Hollywood WEREN’T pressuring teenagers to engage in the horizontal mambo. If Hollywood put all of its ‘virginity is for suckers’ energy into promoting ’saving sex till marriage,’ I bet we’d see a very different, much more lopsided statistic. Of course Hollywood could never do that, as they don’t believe in ‘forcing ones beliefs on others’… Unless of course said beliefs include situational ethics, then it’s time to preach it father, preach it!” [...]

By "misery" I mean the invective and hatred you fling at those who disagree with you. Note I also said "trying" to inflict it upon others. Obviously, you fail most of the time, judging from the mockery you receive in response. The fact that you are trying shows you have a rather diseased little soul.

Speaking of mockery: pie or cake. Bring it.

Wow, I think you might just be onto something here! Well done!

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I agree with you completely. I am a female and the whole ugly-pretty shy girl is complete correct, sad enough. It kinda sucked going through high school and no one even being remotely interested in me. I didn't even get my first kiss until I was 16. Now that I am in college things have changed. People think differently, and some actually think. I've had/have a long term boyfriend and I am still a virgin. We are waiting until marriage. Just to think about the climax of how great sex would be when you wait. It would also be way more enjoyable knowing you're not going to get an STD or what not with your partner.

The star of Adventureland is returning home after college. Definitely not 16. Not really a great example.

so, do you think this is a new phenomena? Teenagers have been fooling around with sex forever because it is the Biological imperative, it feels good so they do it. Also birth control is not black magic, the pill stops the sperm from reaching the egg, the condoms do not have little holes to give you super AIDS, and there are a thousand other RELIABLE ways to avoid pregnancy.

But by simply ignoring the issue and putting your head in the sand, you deprive a generation of the knowledge to protect themselves even as adults. a teenage who abstains and becomes an adult who wants to experiment wont bother with a condom, probably because he wont know how it works

as for 40% staying virgins, 50% have had oral sex, seems alot of people are alot more curious then you'd like to think, and i have a SOURCE!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti...

Did you even read the article? All Hollywood promotes is getting it on! Too much indoctrination of abstinence, as your reply suggests, is very very far from being any problem whatsoever.

But Rosie is so fun! For absolutely anything in your imagination that you want to do or see, bam, Rosie delivers. No matter what is going on in your life, however things are screwed up, bam, Rosie is there for you. Whenever the need arises, be it late at night or first thing in the morning, bam, Rosie is ready. And Rosie is the one it's okay to visit even when married. A trusted friend for life, that's Rosie!

Redd Foxx used to have a joke about the woman who wrote to her husband in Paris, under the suspicion that he was taking advantage of being in France to cheat on her. "I hope you're not buying something that you can get for free back home…"

He wrote back: "S__t, hon, I'm not looking for no bargains."

All of Carell's co-workers are even more tied up in sexual issues than he is, and the only one who turns out not to be a complete basket case because of it is Seth Rogen's character, and even he admits that his lifestyle probably isn't healthy in the long run.

It Is called a joke and if you think about it then you will see that a vibrator has many other than sexual uses.

Yes, there are many shapes and hardnesses available, they're good for wrapping with sandpaper to do detail work on wood. The classic styles are also good for mixing drinks, nothing like a martini that's neither shaken nor stirred.

Ah, great study you linked to. Lets examine some parts you left out of your quotes, with some emphasis added.

Christine Markham, Ph.D., assistant professor of behavioral science at the UT School of Public Health, and colleagues examined sexual risk behaviors among middle school students in a large southeastern U.S. urban public school district.

The study recommends that sexually active students also need to receive accurate and factual information and services related to STDs and pregnancy testing, as well as skills for future abstention and risk reduction for those who intend to remain sexually active.

Oh, and I love this line: "In 2000, youth between the ages of 15 and 24 accounted for 9.1 million or 48 percent of all new STD cases, according to a report by the CDC." So back during the Age of Clinton while liberals were complaining about "making a bid deal over nothing" with Monica, it was "just sex," practically half of the new infections were among those to whom Hollywood promotes its "Virginity is weird!" message. You're doing a great job making Crowder's points for him!

So, you've linked to a study showing how risky young sex is, where abstinence is preferred over even sex with "adequate precautions," which basically says as of 2000 decades of liberal sex education were a failure, and it also pegs the "youth" range as old as 24 indicating when sufficient maturity to be an "adult" about sex begins. And, as the liberals love to hear, minorities hit hardest.

Stephen should thank you for such an excellent job of backing up his piece.

Great article. I disagree with just about everything that is done in Hollywood. I think it not only adds to the whole "teen" situation but it makes people like myself and probably others question, like you mentioned, your younger years an if you really did it right. I think it just adds altogether to the moral decline of society. We all make mistakes but when Hollywood glorifies them and promotes making those mistakes we know we have issues.

Definitely keep writing. If TV portrays it the opposite, then shut it off. Voting with your feet works even if we need to do more. That said, I should mention sometimes knowing people who lived the so-called liberated lifestyle is enough of a turn-off to go more traditional and wait. There's less angst than you think when you realize you don't have anywhere near the problems your friends who didn't do, plus you don't have the crazy/abusive boyfriend to go with the myriad of kids who have to spend the weekend each with a different father, the custody court cases, etc. By the way, I am the proverbial movie title virgin – you can figure that out on your own – and it's no big deal to wait even double-time than you have.

Actually, when you hit your thirties and you haven't, you don't talk about it. Too much of a challenge in the wrong kind of way for some people.

I guess that's a good point, LOL!

I can top you: I didn't watch a rated R movie until I was 17.

So you never heard of this concept called ugly people and that they have trouble getting laid?

If everyone looked as if they wanted to look, everyone would get laid and very nicely too.

The Golden Age of Hollywood also featured rampant sexism and racism. The only mention of homosexuality was to hint that certain despicable characters were "light in the loafers". The Red Scare infringed on people's political and 1st amendment freedoms (all in the name of protecting freedom, of course).

And not only that, but guess what? People did have sex before marriage. They did have homosexual experiences (actually, since sex with women did come later at that point, boys were probably more likely to engage in certain homosexual activities at that point – and if you think it was very rare, read the Kinsey studies, done in the 40s and 50s).

If you want to go back to the "good ol' days" well… for one, the good ol' days weren't. And for another, you have to look at the whole picture, and there were plenty of other things going on.

Oh, and btw, if you're also one of those conservatives complaining about the tax rates going up slightly, in those good ol' days, we also had a top marginal tax rate of 90% (the point at which this tax rate kicked in was significantly higher relative to today's top marginal tax rate tho).

No kidding. I remember the Sweet Valley High novels when I was in high school. One of them I happened to pick up wasn't much better than a Harlequin romance. I diched 'em and, following my dad's advice, began a reading program of the classics. Never went back to the fluff, but it's still there for plenty of other kids, and I imagine it's only gotten worse since I was in high school. I'm grateful my parents paid attention to what books I was reading (for school or for fun). I intend to do the same for my kids.

You know, you have a point…… one of the better defenses for gay marriage I've heard (and I'm one of those people who doesn't care what the state's policy on the matter is as long as they don't dictate to religion what they can and cannot accept) is "It doesn't have anything to do with you; it doesn't hurt you, so why do you care if two dudes get married?" This can be turned right around on them in any situation involving sexual decisions: If it's MY decision to wait for sex until marriage, why should you care? I'm not harming you in any way. In fact, studies demonstrate that my choice will probably produce some better-adjusted children some day who will cause you fewer headaches should you ever run into them….. so perhaps you should be encouraging my choice instead of denigrating it.

Excellent point, Holly. Obviously, you said it more concisely than I could.

Agreed, this drives me nuts. This is, in fact, why I liked 300 so much: the men in that movie were MEN, the women were women, and both were strong, but in completely different ways. I LOVED the depiction of that marriage – they were equals, and they each admired the unique qualities about the other.

This is also why they're going to struggle to cast John Galt in the Atlas Shrugged movie…. he's a manly man, and there aren't many of those in Hollywood.

Is there anything in this world that doesn't get force fit into a false dichotomy? And of all the psychologically, emotionally and spiritually meaningful things to a human being, we do it with SEX?

The options in determining what's right for an individual's sex life are broader than (a) get laid as early and as often as possible or (b) save yourself to marriage. I believe both of these world views is damaging to people.

Sex does mean SOMETHING. It can be one of the most intense bonding experiences two people can share with each other. It's the only human need you cannot supply for yourself. That's something really powerful you can share with someone. And let's not forget the potential to bring life into this world.

On the other hand, it doesn't mean EVERYTHING. Sometimes, it's just a primal, intense lust-filled romp in the hay. The idea you should save yourself until marriage is unrealistic, and truthfully, not good for marriage. It leads people to marry too young, a problem enough in itself, but it also puts a tremendous amount of pressure of your sex life. It takes forever to get comfortable with yourself, with the idea and you will always wonder if you "missed out" (note: you probably didn't, you just don't have the toolset to fix your current sex life).

This is an issue that really gets to me. You can do a lot of damage to a kid by brainwashing them towards an extreme, particularly with something like sex.

It is the "end all, be all of life." Especially "be all of life," what is the point of a species? To continue the species through subsequent generations, and that is accomplished with sex.

If you had a point, it would probably be that our culture has turned sex into an act of pleasure or recreation, not an act of species proliferation.

You're doing it wrong.

What if your daughters are really really horny?

So "woah, that was a really bad idea of mine way back when, better try to warn my kid not to do that" is hypocrisy?

Odd, I thought it was called experience or even wisdom.

Well, you might wish to consider the term "hypothetical" as well.

That's right, the original quote was "Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes," which Chico said to Groucho, who wasn't actually a "she." If you'd read my comment, you'd see that I said I was paraphrasing, not quoting. Paraphrasing is a big word; perhaps you might want to check a dictionary to see what it means.

Also, why are people who want to believe that things are much better now so very, very angry? If things are so much better, why aren't you happier? And why do you believe the only solution to a rape epidemic is Islamic fundamentalism? Young people today…

MARRY ME!

Yes, but even as a member of the hard left I have no qualms in saying PETA are completely crazy. I mean, sea kittens? SEA KITTENS? What an utter waste of energy, time and money. Not to mention all the "I'd rather go naked than wear fur" ads. Like that'll stop people. If you're defining civility in sex as freedom from pressure to have or not have sex and freedom from rape, I definitely agree, they should preach it.

What about Captain Kirk tho? There is a BIG HOLLYWOOD HERO, like maybe no other, that certainly gets his Interstellar (and Interracial) jiggy on like where no one has gone before!

My wife and I just watched "Say Anything…" again for about the hundredth time, and we noticed that when the the two main characters "do the deed" it is the first time for both of them. They are both high school graduates and virgins! It's a really big deal to the characters and represents a distinct shift in their relationship. Sure they aren't married, but at least they waited until they were out of high school. Actually, the one girl in the movie who had sex early, Corey, is the one who is portyrayed as emotionally unstable and kooky. It just shows how much Hollywood has changed in 20 years.

I can relate to this post in many ways.

I'm 18. I'm a Christian and I've never had a boyfriend. Never even been kissed, let alone had sex. I can still remember freshmen year of high school, thinking there was something terribly wrong with me. Now, however I am proud of all of these things. I see girls my age all the time who have had tons of boyfriends, had sex, gotten pregnant, you name it. And I get sad, and then I get mad.

The messages teens are recieving through Hollywood are all wrong. Hollywood doesn't portray sex as an intimate act designed for marriage. Which is what I believe it is. It's usually something that can be given away on the first date and usually has no consequences.

I could go on forever about this topic but I think I've said enough for now. Hollywood isn't oblivious to the messages they're sending. They have a purpose. They think sex is cheap and they know it sells.