Jews and Guns
by Robert J. Avrech
An Ethiopian Jewish woman soldier takes aim. Both men and women serve in the Israeli Defense Forces. Thus, there is a weapon in almost every Israeli home.
Before our son Ariel Chaim ZT”L passed away, age twenty-two, in 2003, we spent a good deal of time discussing the Second Amendment, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Ariel was amazed that so many American Jews—overwhelmingly liberal and secular—aligned themselves with the advocates of gun control, in reality a movement to banish the private ownership of guns by lawful citizens.
Trapped and Defenseless
During the Los Angeles riots of 1992, my wife Karen and I, Ariel and Offspring #2, were inside a film theater. Abruptly, an angry mob congregated outside; soon they were trying to break down the doors. Trapped inside, we were all terrified. I held Offspring#2 in my arms; she shivered like a frightened rabbit. Karen gripped Ariel’s hand.
“Don’t worry,” we were assured, “the police will be here soon.”
But the police did not arrive that night, nor did they protect the city from arson, looting and murder. In fact, we watched in disbelief as news cameras captured images of police officers standing idly by while looters gleefully committed their crimes.
A few days later, I purchased a pistol, a 1911 .45 ACP.
I bought a gun because I realized that the day will most certainly again arrive when civil order breaks down and we are flung into a cruel Hobbesian landscape.
Here’s my three part series on the LA Riots, Hollywood is Burning:
As Ariel’s conservative political opinions took form, he logically and ethically fell on the side of legal gun ownership. But because he was first and foremost a Torah Jew, first and foremost a Talmudic scholar, Ariel placed gun ownership into the framework of Jewish law, halacha.
Ariel wanted to put down his ideas on paper. Unfortunately, he never had the opportunity to write an article on halacha and gun ownership.
And so I humbly jot down a few of Ariel’s ideas. Any mistakes in this article are mine and mine alone. I write from an imperfect memory, from conversations with my beloved son held years ago, and from the few notes he managed to scribble while sick and undergoing chemotherapy and radiation.
The Sword is Not the Cause
Ariel pointed out that in his commentary on Genesis 4:23, Ramban, Rabbi Moshe ben Nachman, the towering medieval scholar, writes with refreshing clarity:
“The sword is not the cause of murder, and there is no sin upon him who made it.”
In other words, a weapon, be it a sword or a gun, is neutral. It can be used for good or evil. Thus to label a gun as “bad” makes no sense, for a gun can be used in self-defense which the Torah sees as an obligation.
The Torah (Exodus 22.2) teaches that, when necessary a householder may kill a burglar to save his own life.
The Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin (72A) says:
“He who rises to kill you, you must kill first.”
It seems odd to have to defend the most basic notion of self-defense, but in America today, the shrill and self-righteous voices of pacifism and appeasement have become alarmingly prominent.
Ariel and I agreed that if gun control advocates had their way, the only people with access to guns would be the police, who cannot be counted on for security, and criminals, who can be counted on to be, well, criminals, with no respect for the hundreds of firearm laws already on the books.

Jew with gun. An Israeli soldier of the elite Nahal Brigade, during the Second Lebanon War.
Tyrants Ban Gun Ownership to Secure Their Power Base
Ariel also pointed out that in the story of Purim the Jews were granted royal permission to defend their lives. The King’s edict did not order the army to protect the Jews. Instead, the Jews were permitted to purchase arms in order to defend themselves.
Obviously, as a minority in the Persian Empire, Jews were forbidden weapon ownership.
This is not unique in Jewish history. During the Roman occupation of Judea, Jews were forbidden to own swords, spears or any implements of war. What better way for a ruling empire to control an unruly and rebellious population?
And of course, in Europe, one of the first laws that Hitler imposed was an all-encompassing weapons ban. Imagine how different Jewish history would be if every Jewish family in Europe owned at least one gun that had six bullets in the chamber.
Surprise Folks, Evil Exists
One of the hallmarks of modern Liberalism is an astonishing inability to recognize, much less confront, evil. Therefore it becomes psychologically necessary for the liberal to place the blame on an inanimate object—the gun—rather than on the person who pulls the trigger. It is easier to fault the gun manufacturer for the horror at Columbine, rather than admit that two sixteen-year-old boys are evil.
The Jewish attitude, Ariel maintained, is to place the blame where it squarely belongs: on the two young men; to declare their evil, and never again utter their names. For just as goodness is a reality, so is evil.
Try and imagine, said Ariel, if one or two Columbine teachers had guns with them. Imagine if these armed teachers had been able to protect the students who were massacred.
There was another aspect to these stories that Ariel detected and deeply troubled him. The media invariably referred to Columbine and 9-11 as “tragedies.”
“They are not tragedies,” Ariel insisted. “They are atrocities.”
A tragedy is when people are killed in a flood, a fire or an earthquake. But when people are murdered in cold blood, it is an atrocity. Again, Ariel pointed out, the media—overwhelmingly liberal and marinated in moral equivalence—is unable to distinguish malevolent acts from natural disasters because their moral compass is broken.
Ariel concluded that Jews in America should be at the forefront of the right to keep and bear arms. For Jews to rely on the power of the state for protection is sheer foolishness. Time and again, Jewish history reveals governments cruelly betraying their Jewish citizens.
And though Ariel felt that America was “different,” he maintained that allowing the state to make ownership of weapons illegal is a dangerous policy that opens the door to tyranny in the name of social justice.
But like so much else in American Jewish life, liberal/progressive Jews have signed on to aggressively utopian ideologies that go against their self-interest. Instead, countless Jews espouse principles that feed their need to feel virtuous. But in the end, these beliefs defy common sense and display an appalling ignorance of Jewish history, halacha, and human nature.
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“Announce this among the nations:prepare for war; arouse the mighty; let all the soldiers approach and ascend. Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning forks into spears; the weak shall say, I am strong.” Joel 3:9
Copyright © Robert J. Avrech





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"The true measure of a people's freedom is whether they are armed or not." – Aristotle
That's my favorite quotation concerning an armed citizenry, because then I can bash the offending leftard who disagrees with, "So, you think you're smarter than Aristotle?" That's usually the end of the conversation.
"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." Thomas Jefferson
Nothing hotter than a woman in uniform, with a gun……………
Some buddies and I drove around downtown LA during the riots. I was a Junior in Highschool.
Man that was stupid, but at the time it was quite novel. We were singing "Horse with no Name" and some other classic rock thinking we could calm everyone down (I blame public school for making me think this would work)
I am not a NRA member but I do reied their magazine. and like the section right up front with recent situations where a gun saved a life. Of course all we hear about are the conceal and carry people who do murder suicide
Some buddies and I drove around downtown LA during the riots. I was a Junior in Highschool.
Man that was stupid, but at the time it was quite novel. We were singing "Horse with no Name" and some other classic rock thinking we could calm everyone down (I blame public school for making me think this would work)
I am not a NRA member but I do read their magazine. and like the section right up front with recent situations where a gun saved a life. Of course all we hear about are the conceal and carry people who do murder suicide
There is no question for me, I will be armed till the day I pass.
You had me at the picture of the hot women with rifles.
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Without the Second Amendment the rest of them are doomed and the Constitution a dream.
NRA…
Please consider joining. I did a few years back and know my membership is helping to preserve the 2nd amendment like nothing else. There are a number of well-funded organizations aligned against gun owners and freedom. Those few dollars you spend on the NRA will help level the playing field.
Socialist/Communist/Facist progression
Step 1- control financial system – money
Step 2- control key industrial markets – labor/production
Step 3- control healthcare – life
Step 4- control guns – resistance
Step 5- control religion – allegiance
Total control- money, labor, life, resistance, allegiance. We are on our way. Better stop them in 2010.
I second (amendment) that!!!!
http://www.jpfo.org/
I am a Goy and a proud supporter.
I think most ratioanal people agree that we would rather see a stable protected Israel in the middle east to support the US than any of the other dubious nations who give lip service to the US.
As for gun ownership, well there is a reason I would never move from my state to another with restrictive gun laws.
This was a lovely article. I wrote my master's thesis on Judith and used Exodus 22:2 as my defense of her actions. The "kill the one who comes to kill you" argument is very simple and logical to me. I don't understand how people cannot see this.
The last time we were in Vegas we met an ex Israeli Soldier, he was selling beauty products at a kiosk at the mall. He also said he was just happy to be in America even though he loved his country. He said that every person, men and women HAVE to serve in the Israeli army once they turn 18. They are in for 3 years and after that they're free to either sign up again or not. It was very intersting to talk to him, he was very young, disciplined, respectful and VERY smart.
"When the people fear the government, THERE IS TYRANNY; when the government fears the people, THERE IS LIBERTY." Thomas Jefferson
Liberty vs. Tyranny! Watch out Tyrants! We will NOT give up our guns!
Wonderful way to use a great quote!
Every conservative should own a gun, preferably an AR-15.
And a pistol, as long as the first number of its caliber starts with the number "4".
And, I believe they're ALL in the reserve until their 50s or even 60s. Not sure, though.
Good luck getting ammo for the 357,38,380,9MM,40. The best gun salesman in the history of our country is in office and the stuff is flying off the shelves. Thankfully, America has a bad feeling about this guy and they are arming themselves as never before. Now how do we nudge our gentle Jewish brethren to get real ?
What a bittersweet picture was the thought of a loaded pistol in each Jewish household during the Holocaust.
As always Mr Avrech, thanks.
Weapons are to be used for protection, not intimidation; when that concept is blurred, awful things happen.
At three in the morning God forbid if some crack addled punk has invaded your home and is coming up the steps towards your bedroom calling 911 isn't going to do much but alert the cops to bring the coroner with them. And, that's how it usually ends, folks, in newpaper/tv homicide resports day after day, the cops and the coroner at the crime scene. Ask the un-armed Brits how that has been working out for them.
American Jewish liberals get zero respect from me. Obama and his anti-Semitic European socialist counterparts are going to sacrific Israel. Count on it. What Israelis think of their American counterpart I can only guess.
If you think gun & ammunition sales were high in 2008/2009, wait until 2010/2011 if the far left maintains their balance of power.
The difference between a slave and a free man is the right to keep and to carry a weapon.
interesting take…
Framing this as an ethnic/racial issue helps NO ONE. This is about protecting individual freedoms and the God given rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence. There are people of all races and ethnicities who believe in these constructs.
Wise up…
Proper gun ownership isn't just a right but a responsibility as well…
Choose the right weapons, train and crosstrain on them, keep them clean and safely stored. Understand that you now become responsible for not only your own protection but those thust into your sphere of influence. As an abstract ownership is a no-brainer.
But the reality is different. Understand threat assessment, target acquisition and fire discipline. Know that taking a life is the most difficult decision a human can make. Realize you immortal spirit hangs on that balance. The law of unintended consequences is particularly important here.
No moralizing lecture- just pointing out a few sobering facts. Plan, take care, be just, and take responsibility for your actions. Someone far higher than your 'pay grade' is keeping tabs…
nice try but we are little more savvy than that
nice try but we are little smarter than that
I've heard not every Israeli has to serve. I believe the ultra orthodox are exempt from service. And of course there are exclusions for disabilities. And I've heard its considered a mark of shame if they are not capable of serving.
When you're surrounded on three sides by enemies, with your back to the sea, its perfectly reasonable in my opinion. If no one else will defend them, I would expect them to fully defend themselves.
As SEINFELD said – "It's not racist if you like them." Of course, that was the 90s; the last century.
BUT-
Too exotic for me.
Or is that racist?
Thanks again Robert, for a pithy and to-the-point article. The wisdom of your son Ariel is evident in your remembrance; the Almighty surely holds him close.
I suppose that there are some exceptions but he didn't mention them. I just wish that OUR young people here were only HALF as intelligent as this young man was. :-/
It takes a Jew to need to justify himself in his attempts to survive in this world and to protect his family from harm. For him, survival does not seem to be its own excuse for being, but he needs to present some circumlocutious reasoning. Why do you folks require such justification? Why not get to the nexus? You and your family are threatened. Period. A gun can protect you. Period. Ockham had a Razor. Use it. All of this drivel is superfluous.
Instead of addressing the gist of the matter, you bring in irrelevancies. Living and preserving your life does not require justification.
Nevertheless with all of this "reasoning" and incorporation of diverse elements in formulating conclusions, I can understand why Jews excel as academics and in scientific pursuits. But there is a time to get down to basics and recognize that your welf-interest does not require any justification. Interesting but exasperating.
Luke 22:36 (NIV): He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." On the day Jesus was betrayed, so went his instruction. So shall it be done.
And as such things go, my usual Googled site, biblegateway.com, currently says "Could not connect to the database server." So I wound up here, which has commentary. And in them, they say he was speaking allegorically, what he said was not to be taken literally.
The hell it wasn't. This is just more of the problem. He said to get swords, the disciples said they had two, he said that was enough and then they went out. Nothing "allegorical" about real swords being what was really wanted right then.
Peace is to be found among those inclined to be peaceful. Quite often after removing those who outright refuse to be peaceful.
Join up, Buckwheat. You won't be sorry you did and you will be "putting your money where your mouth is", so to speak, supporting the right to keep and bear.
Actually it was a pretty lame try….lol
There are many Jews, myself included, that belong to an orginization called the JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership) You can check out the website, http://www.jpfo.org. I think you'd find it interesting.
One other thought about this post, that I forgot to mention in my earlier post (there were so many ideas running around my head after reading).
The reason leftists don't view terrorists, or criminals, or rogue states like Iran and N. Korea as enemies is very simple, but very disturbing.
In the left's opinion, conservatives are the enemy of all the world's people. They can deal with those issues later. Front and center, it's the fellow Americans who they view as the real enemy.
yeah, but I want to seem encouraging.
i found it funny actually "the savagery of: Blacks" i added punctuation and omnious music in my mind while reading it
yeah, but I want to seem encouraging.
i found it funny actually "the savagery of: Blacks" i added punctuation and omnious music in my mind while reading it, it made it seem less pathetic
LOL
I kept picturing the final battle scene in Zulu….
I'm gonna use that, thanks for the ammo!!
I concur with the previous replies, please consider joining.
And yeah, gotta love The Armed Citizen….
A Jewish friend of mine in Nevada was pleasantly surprised by his new rabbi who quietly asked around for the gun owners to carry discreetly to services. Call it community organizing.
I am sorry to hear of your loss. My heart goes out to you.
This is an important piece you have written. Thank you.
Last year I bought a Stoeger Coach Gun. I have never held a shotgun, much less owned one, but being the father of two beautiful little girls has had a rearranging effect on my priorities. The first line of defense for my wife and my girls is me.
This November I will be purchasing a Ruger 1022, and plan on teaching my daughter to use it starting on her twelfth birthday. …I also have my eyes on a Smith and Wesson .41 revolver, but I'll have to wait for the budget to allow it comfortably.
Your son was so right, Mr. Avrech.
By the way,… the Ethiopian Jewish woman with the rifle is absolutely BEAUTIFUL! (Hey, I'm married, not dead.) …Whoa!
F**kin A…….
Given the very long history of government persecution (take your pick: the Czar's men, the Romans, the Egyptians, the English, the Germans, the ancient Persians, etc.), you would think most Jewish folks would be gun-toting libertarians. They ought to be.
just added that to NETFLIX, it has been years, so I don't remember it
One must be fair and give Obama his due credit when called for.
Smith & Wesson reported a 30 percent rise in sales in the first quarter of 2009.
And, these are good American jobs.
When one accepts the fact that blacks commit 80% of all violent crimes,they will realize that this IS A RACIAL ISSUE!
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Your rhetoric gives the impression that you may fall in your 20% category
Yes,there are predatory Whites and Hispanics as well,just like there are golden retrievers that will attack people and there are pit bulls that are kind.
Reality tells us to be cautious around those with the dangerous track record,unless you're a multi-culti fool who's bought all of the propaganda that's been inculcated into your head in the public schools.
You would be the "dead wrong" one to hold this opinion if you lived in a black neighborhood-but at least you'd die knowing that you weren't one of those "terribly evil racists" who took crime statistics seriously.
It shocks me how American jews vote liberal. The American left was against Israel defending itself against Hezbollah rocket attacks that were aimed at civilian centers.
When Israel counterattacked in 2008, our lefties took the street and protested in support of Hezbollah's right to defend itself. And the jews meekly voted liberal, why, I have no idea.
How can you not agree that blacks as a group aren't "savage" when you see that there are around 36,000 rapes of white women by black males in the US each year but there are sometimes no cases of black females being raped by white men?
The mind is like a parachute,it only works when opened.
It shocks me how American jews vote liberal. The American left was opposed to Israel defending itself against Hezbollah rocket attacks that were aimed at civilian centers.
When Israel counterattacked in 2008, our lefties took the street and protested in support of Hezbollah's right to defend itself. And the jews meekly voted liberal, why, I have no idea.
First off, may I express my condolences for your loss. My mother often said that one of the worst things that could happen to a parent is to have to bury their child. Fortunately she did not have to. I am sorry you did.
Thank you for sharing your son's wisdom and insight with us. When my children started coming home from school with those "guns are bad" thoughts, I quickly corrected them. Like your son, I told them guns are tools; potentially lethal tools, therefore dangerous, but just tools nonetheless. Inanimate objects are morally neutral, only people have morality. Unfortunately, this recognition gets uncomfortable for some. Thanks for your addition to the debate.
This is a great first step!
Now let's work on the overwhelming number of Jews in congress who wish to disarm US citizens!
Are you implying that I'm a criminal who commits violent crimes?
It wasn''t "rhetoric",it is a fact that can be easily obtained from the FBI.
How much is NRA membership? I don't even own a gun or anything, though I'm starting to wonder if I should.
Can it be any coincidence that Israel was one of the only countries to support Honduras when it got rid of its would-be dictator? Probably the best friend we've got right now.
The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once. 2009 Judge Alex Kozinski
It's incredible that you don't realize that those rocket attacks that "were aimed at civilian centers" were recently Arab lands that were stolen.
How silly would I sound if I kicked you out of your home,then you started shooting rockets as revenge and I began whining about you "attacking civilian centers"?
Bobbo:
In Israel you do reserve duty, one month a year, until age 55.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/mons...
.50 magnum.. (IIRC it's bigger than the Desert Eagle .50AE round?)
Or for the ultimate win:
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No Arab land was stole. This is a big lie used to justify the genocidal yearnings of the Arab Muslim world.
Then try opening yours once in a while. Yes, the statistics indicate that black people commit the majority of violent crimes in the country, but has it occurred to you that those crimes also tend to happen in impoverished urban centers? So by your logic, I guess everyone who lives in a run-down, inner-city neighborhood is also a "savage." Or are you just admitting that, in your opinion, black people are categorically "savage," even those who are prosperous, law-abiding folks who care deeply about their family and raising their children right, and who have never so much as touched a gun? Either go meet some actual black people, instead of these caricatures you've drawn up in your mind, or just go the whole way and join the Klan.
Wow, so now we've got anti-black AND anti-Semite posters! You two should get together sometime and talk about the superiority of the Aryan race, or something like that.
There's a reason nobody's conquered Switzerland in hundreds of years.
That, and the mountain ranges
I agree.. as soon as my husband and I graduated college and got married he signed both of us up… I am trying to build up the courage to learn how to shoot and to get my conceal carry license.
> "The true measure of a people's freedom is whether they are armed or not." – Aristotle
Surely you're kidding? Even if the quote is accurate, Aristotle could only have referring to swords and spears, not guns, not semi-automatic rifles. Don't you think that's a significant difference?
> "So, you think you're smarter than Aristotle?" That's usually the end of the conversation.
Umm, I may not be smarter than Aristotle, but I know a whole lot more about pure math, chemistry, computers, music, astronomy, physics, cosmology, Judaism, political theory, genetics, and so forth, than he did.
"If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants." — Isaac Newton
Yeah I was looking up a verse on Biblegateway as well and couldn't connect… I ended up on bible.org…
I don't remember that verse, so thanks for pointing it out… But I agree with your thought.
RE: Step 3 – Health Care is the big one to totalitarianism. Once your health is a matter of public concern (since the public is paying for your health care) everything you do is subject to the Government.
Why, you shouldn't eat that cheeseburger, it might raise your cholesterol and give you heart disease – which wastes tax payer money. Therefore, comrade, we are banning red meat. It's for the public good. Also, we are now requiring 30 minutes of aerobic exercise a day.
Don't think the left would try to ban red meat? See how they've tried to ban trans fats.
Also – yes, Aerobic exercise is good for you and you should engage in it. However, people should choose to do that for themselves, not be forced into it.
Your statistics are bogus and that you keep pursuing your racist drivel is either that you are one or a liberal posuer trying to discredit this site. No one is taking the bait if you haven't noticed.
Blacks-on-black crime is far higher than black-on-white crime. Blacks are more likely to be victims of crime. The majority of blacks are law abiding people.
You are ignorable.
I see,"poverty causes crime"…
That's like saying "flies cause garbage",or "spoons make people fat"
Take a look at the thousands of Asian immigrants who arrive in this nation penniless,yet go on to earn college degrees(while learning English) and becoming successful LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.
You have it backwards,poverty is the result of low IQ.
Violence tends to follow low IQ
What about the disproportionate number of white serial killers compared to black ones? Does that mean that white men are born psychopaths?
BB Netanyahu for President.
How long are we going to let these Iranians kill our troops and threaten our allies?
BABES AND GUNS!
YEOW!
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The Anti Liberal Zone
I agree, I thought that gal in the picture was pretty hot! Not meaning at all to be taking away from the seriousness of the article or anything.
better tried by six than carried six
but then liberals like being carried by others – they are waiting for nobelbozo to carry them and he is – right into oblivion while he puts the hurt on America
Never once did I claim that "Black on white crime was higher than Black on Black crime".
By the way,does it matter?
Do you think that fact(which is dubious)would make a white woman who's been raped by a Black feel any better?
To further illustrate the horrors of the Black crime rate using statistics,if Blacks were 50% of the nation instead of 12%,they would be responsible for 97.6% of all violent crimes!
Reality isn't racist,unless you've been indoctrinated by the drivel of the government schools.
Does that mean we be racist?
There are plenty of Black serial killers,they just don't get the media coverage that the white one's do.
By the way,almost all of the student killers(Columbine,VA tech,etc) were on psychotropic drugs while committing their acts,if anything,we need more scrutiny of all the legal drugs being given to these kids(fat chance though).
Even if it were true that there are more white serial killers,would that make you feel safer having to allow your children or wife travel on inner city subways?
If you were honest you would say no.
What is the significant difference in what type of arms Aristotle would be referring to. Are you saying it is ok to protect yourself with a sword but not a gun? Please tell me "oh smart one".
- key words are "impression" and "may", a double attempt to minimize any implication.
"Rhetoric" used in the sense of: the ability to use language effectively. No slight intended.
Your post seemed heated and inflammatory. Would I feel safe living in a largely black inner city as a white person? No. But I wouldn't as a black or any other population segment either. I live in a semi rural area and own guns for protection (as do most people around) from drug house activity and registered (or not) sex offenders, as well as being part of what I consider an important aspect of good citizenship as spelled out in the second ammendment.
The Jewish population faces a much larger threat than that from an antisemitic portion of the black population, and that is antisemitism increasing worldwide as took place pre-WW2.
and that stat indicates virtually all is black on black crime. By warehousing these poor souls the left has created a predictable voting base at the expense of their humanity. Think about it…
lets try a little reasoning here…
As a melting pot society we do not have the homogenous nature of the Asians, who stay largely to themselves. They have brought a sophisticated culture thousands of years old with them. Africans and Islanders have been uprooted and in a few generations had to learn a tough western civilization model of individualism.
They are tribal by nature. Sounds like a conflict to us. But millions are doing fine. So, what do you suggest? There here and they're Americans too.
We need to correct bad behaviour but understanding the genesis of that is key…
and the asian gangs?
Crime is a choice. We do no one any favors by expecting poor or criminal behavior from them.
Remember the soft bigotry of low expectations?
Speaking of Jews, why are there so many of them in Hollywood? Why doesn't BH write about that? There are so many actors with Jewish backgrounds and you never would have thought it.
And why does that "Jew with gun" in the grass above not have a clip in it? Not much good that's gonna do.
"There are plenty of Black serial killers" You base this statement on what?
"By the way,almost all of the student killers(Columbine,VA tech,etc) were on psychotropic drugs while committing their acts" Again, your proof of this?
It sounds to me like you blame any violent crime committed by blacks on their genes while anything a white person does is blamed on drugs….This is not proof of a reasoned mind. And by the way, I have lots of black friends, close ones. So close that my son calls several of them uncle. I have trusted his care to them many times and will do so again in the future.
They wouldn't be killing them had we not invaded Iraq, which was pushed heavily by Netanyahu, who, thank God, can't be US president.
It appears to have a small ten round clip in it.
Jews with guns?
One cannot help but wonder if the Jews were better armed in 1939, if history would have had a different outcome.
I think youre a neo-Nazi troll trying to poison the well here. No conservative I know or have read here on BH is concerned what color the skin of the criminal. All we care is that said criminal get justice done to him. The only ones who care about skin color are neo-Nazi's/white supremecists and Leftards. Which one are you? Both?
Take it back to DU where they appreciate blatherings like yours. BH conservatives could not care less about skin color.
My husband and I recently became licensed for conceal & carry in our state. We had pondered it for years and finally took the plunge just after the election. My husband now reloads his own ammo. And we both feel safer in our remote country town than we have since we moved there in 1989. And (knock on wood) nothing bad has ever happened to us there.
Frankly, I didn't know there were any Ethiopian Jews in Israel.
Learn something new everyday.
Amen to that.
Let me start by saying that I agree completely with the logic and sentiment expressed in this article. The distinction between atrocities and tragedies was especially insightful.
Let me end by saying that Israeli women are smokin. There's something mesmerizing about physical beauty combined with physical kick-assery.
No, I'm not kidding, art. When the standard military sidearm is something like a phased plasma pistol, or a phaser, that's what the populace should be armed with as well. There has never been a genocide that wouldn't have been at least ameliorated if the citizenry was armed. That's the point: An unarmed populace is at the mercy of the government.
But hey, thanks for the fine example of knowledge not equalling wisdom.
So hot, one can feel the heat right through the computer screen………
Too big!
Actually I over-simplified: an individual should be armed with the most powerful weapon they can shoot well.
"Magazine" not "Clip".
I am so sorry that you lost your son. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings. Your stories about the riot were fascinating. I had read them some time back, when I first started visiting Big Hollywood.
I am attending the Second Amendment March on April 19th, 2010 in Washington, DC. I attended the 9/12 Taxpayer's March on Washington.
I gained a tremendous amount of insight into the ridiculous and dangerous nature of gun control, when I acquired a concealed carry permit. I have been astutely aware of the Second Amendment since then. I am also studying everything I can learn about the United States Constitution.
"Living and preserving your life does not require justification. "
Actually, it does. I'm sure you've heard people argue for non-violence in any and all situations. The author even mentions liberal Jews that are opposed to the right to bear arms. This article is a counterpoint to those ideas and demonstrates how the right to self defense is compatible will Jewish theology.
Obviously our founding fathers felt it necessary to justify themselves, whether through the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, or the Federalist Papers. What's good enough for them is good enough for me.
Hey, I see u can comment on Big Hollywood now? Or was it Brietbart u couldn't post???
How do you know its not the same person?
That was a favorite troll practice I saw back when I used to check littlegreenfootballs.com
Leave some nasty post around various threads, then use them as a justification for attacking Johnson and the viewers. Johnson got around it by adding code that changed certain key words when the post was submitted, or else delete it out right.
That was the first post in over fifty that showed up.
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Remember congress has it's own private police force to protect them.
Does it really matter if some is Jewish or not? It might to them, means nothing to me.
Good for you!
Don't let the left shout you down or shut you up, this is our country too!
Second picture down has no magazine in the mag well, and he isn't reaching for one. He's either not elite or not at war.
I'm Jewish, female, and a gunowner. There are more Jewish gunowners than you'd realize. Some of them are also in the liberal vein. Some of them are even hiding out in New York and San Francisco. It's not all cut and dried. Having said that, I greatly enjoyed your piece. I am curious if you ever shared your views with Brian de Palma, and what his reaction was ……
Subject to debate.
No, it doesn't matter if "some is Jewish." But it might matter that so many are….which is why I'm saying BH could be looking into it.
ZOMG! Teh Jooooooooooooooos R N Hollywood!
You know, 'cuz that matters.
And that's the topic at hand.
And you're totally not DGL1962.
I don't think its any secret there's a lot of Jewish people in entertainment. And it's not surprising either. For thousands of years there were laws in many nations around the world preventing Jews from owning real estate, such as farms, factories, etc. So in order to adapt, many went into the service economy, such as law, accounting, finances, tailors, media, and entertainment.
If you meant it as an honest comment, for some thing positive to happen, I apologize. There's a few trolls going through the threads today leaving nasty posts, most likely to discredit BH in the future. So I'm on my guard today.
Looks like a pretty big clip to me.
indeed, what a unique and exotic beauty
or is that racist?
My favorite quote/answer to Liberals: if 6 million Jews had each owned three assault rifles?
(I know it's not a sentence.)
Hey, you are dead wrong in singling Blacks out. There are plenty of White and Hispanic predatory sociopaths in this country.
I don't think it's too much. My brother does not own a gun, but he IS a member of the NRA. He says that while he may not use the admendment, it's best to keep it around for those who do…plus, if it's not the liberals, it's the zombies.
*MissQuinn*
You have several options. Check it out here:
https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp?cam...
And something I wrote awhile back:
http://www.americanartarchives.com/man_with_gun_i...
Many churches do this as well, so I'm also not as suprised, but feel just as pleasant about it.
*MissQuinn*
I will, until the day I die, remember a passage that appears in a book by Leon Uris on the 6 Day War.
It was a small picture book entitled STRIKE ZION.
For the first time in modern times, a nation of armed Jewish people fought off invading aggressors.
After centuries of being driven from country to country, unarmed and defenseless, subjected to massacres and pogroms and tons of humiliation, Uris had this to say:
"The world has seen it's last generation of Jews that shall go to their graves without a fight."
And so it has.
So it has.
When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
Even this atheist can appreciate your writing on Judaism, particularly when it comes so deeply from the heart as when you talk about your son. Please help increase my wisdom by helping me understand why it is that so many Jews are Progressives. That destructive ideology seems so at odds with what little I know of Judaism that it has always been a puzzle.
Respectfully,
Jeff Perren
Isn't is great that they now have internet connection at the trailer park !
The word goy in Hebrew means nation. We are all goyyim
Aryeh Ohayon
Jewish,16 years U.S. military (and counting) combat vet,
conservative, and supporter of the Bill of Rights…All of them.
Art, what Aristotle had more accurately, is WISDOM, which you lack even if you know a whole lot about all those things. That's just KNOWLEDGE and it's not the same thing.
Time and again the wise have figured out that an armed person is a citizen and an unarmed person is a subject.
There is no real significant difference between the sword and the modern weapon b/c the CONCEPT is the same – people are free when they are ARMED (notice Aristotle didn't specifically say "sword" did he?).
You could probaby take a hunter's education class through your state's Fish & Game department. The one in Alaska's pretty cool, they have several rifles with holes cut in them so you can see the inner workings of the action as a bullet moves through the firearm. They walk you through how ot load and shoot (with a .22- an easy one for starters). They don't offer any handgun stuff though. Maybe a local gun store could point you in the right direction (no pun intended). They may even offer women's only classes. I know our state does.
DGL said: Do you think that fact(which is dubious)would make a white woman who's been raped by a Black feel any better?
Hmm, me thinks there is a reason for your hatred, even though it is an irrational one.
Your posts are insulting and hateful in the most basic sense. Even if I were raped by a black person, I still would not hate all blacks. That is a very "leftist" attitude you have – you are lumping the whole group together instead of taking people as individuals. I would hate that individual and I would know that he did not do it BECAUSE he is black, but because he is a bad person.
Now quick, put on your white sheet, the Klan is calling.
I too was in L.A. during the riots, armed wth a fire extinguisher, trying to put out fires, at a Catholic Church, while dodging bullets. I was in the seminary, at the time, so I couldn't have a gun. Man could I have used my S&W 9mm. Just remember, folks, the police have no responsibility to protect any one citizen. Protect Yourself!
A man with a gun is a citizen,a man without a gun is a subject
There are thousand of Ethiopian Jews now living in Israel. The Mossad ran several clandestine operations that rescued the Jews in Ethiopia who were being cruelly oppressed by the government. They are a proud and ancient community who have finally come home.
Understand that "Law Enforcement" has a list of the NRA membership. Also understand that this country's leadership in Washington considers the NRA to be an extremist organization. Do you REALLY want your name on that list in the upcoming Major Unpleasantness?
[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by suzy_rice, Kevin Peterson. Kevin Peterson said: A weapon, be it a sword or a gun, is neutral. It can be used for good or evil. To label a gun as “bad” makes no sense. http://is.gd/4qZDS [...]
Nice to meet you. No, if Brian knew my politics I doubt he would have hired me.
Watch out for the trannys with their "guns". Remember:
"This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for shooting, …"
Isn't the saying "Better tried by 12 than carried by six"?
You bet, and, it's not their fault, cops would be the first to tell you to assume responsibility for yourself and your family in a bad neighborhood.
And, you've got to love the hypocrisy of our latte liberal libtards as they rely on the doorman or their gated community to keep them safe knowing full well that the cops are second best. Of course they deny that kind of protection from those that don't have that privileged advantage by taking away guns if they can from the responsible citiizen.
Very informative. For only $35 a year, I'm going to have to take that into consideration.
Yup. I also understand that they have info on me from Social Security, the blood bank, my gun purchases, my internet use, my charitable contributions, and on and on.
I do believe a little paranoia is better than being a lot dead. But being paranoid that "Law Enforcement" (most of whom are NRA members themselves) will find out that I belong to the NRA is way too paranoid for me.
And as a member of an extremist group, I'm proud to own a .357 S&W, an S&P 9p, and a Remington pump. Oh, and an iMac and a Ford Escape. And three cats.
Did you hear me say that "poverty causes crime," idiot? If you seriously thought the main thrust of my argument was that we can solve all crime by pouring a ton of money into poor urban neighborhoods, then you clearly were not reading carefully. My argument is against the attempts to categorize entire groups of people based on their race, class, or regional background, a categorization only a liberal would make.
Wouldn't surprise me at this point. I hope all the HuffPo bloggers who occasionally view this site to look for signs of racism have noticed that the person or persons putting these posts up have received a deluge of criticism from myself and many others. Racist conservatives, my (deleted).
If you're still having trouble with Biblegateway, you might want to try http://www.blueletterbible.org/. It's a good site to look up verses in pretty much any version with links to commentaries, study tools, and devotionals.
An armed society is a safe society.
There are communities right here in the US, with local ordinances that state that every resident must own a firearm, ammunition for their (said) firearm, and know how to safely discharge their fire-arm.
Guess what? Their communities are virtually crime free.
Think about it. If you were a criminal, or burglar, would you try to rob somebody, or break into their home, when you know they have a gun, ammunition for it , and how to shoot it?
You'd have to be an idiot.
Get real. Your trollesque hyperbole and description of phlogiston's comments are ridiculous and you know it. Do you think we are too stupid to read?
And, EdSki, Charles Johnson is a preening narcissistic censoring liberal that a lot of people have walked away from. He was right on Islamofascism after 9/11 but wrong on everyting else. He jumped the shark a long time ago. He and his sycophant groupies aren't anything to model after.
Wes, you're right on both counts! I own an AR-15 (custom made 'cause I'm a leftie.. for shooting anyway), and my carry weapon is a .45 Glock (loaded with hollow points).
kat
JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION
OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
America's Most Aggressive Defender
of Firearms Ownership
http://www.jpfo.org/
I would add a 12 gauge shotgun to that list.
Nothing wrong with a 9mm or a .357 if you hit what you're aiming at….
If I can use the young men and women at my daughter's school as an example, they are. Her boy friend has already made up his mind to join the air force after high school.
A very thoughtful, and heart wrenching story. You and your family have my sympathy for your loss.
Personally I'm not a gun guy. I have a BB gun for chasing stray cats that want to mark my property. But I support the constitution, and that includes the Second Amendment. If the anti-gun people want to remove it, do the legal way with a constitutional amendment. Which would never pass, proving yet again, Americans want to be able to defend themselves.
Last point, one of my favorite anonymous quotes: The second amendment is the constitution's reset button.
Troll. Unless you're serious, in which case you're a logic-challenged douchebag.
I'm not even going to dignify that remark comparing me to the trolls with a response. How exactly is criticizing a person for making sweeping generalizations about Jews ridiculous? "It takes a Jew to justify himself…"? Am I really the only one who sees that as deeply prejudiced and misinformed, at the very least? (Obviously not.) If you're at all familiar with my previous posts on this site, you know I'm as right-leaning as anyone else, and moreover consider opposition to anti-Semitism and other forms of racism or racialism an inherent part of the conservative tradition. Give me whatever negative rating you want (although I really don't see why), but I refuse to apologize for calling out remarks like that when I see them.
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership has a bumper sticker that sums up the issue well.
A picture of the "all in favor of gun control sticker" can be found at https://shop.jpfo.org/images/products/57_large.jp...
A large American Aerospace & Defense corporation claims that the JPFO bumper sticker promotes hitler. If you display it on your vehicle you can expect to be contacted by their Diversity/EEO office. Pro Gun Jewish bumper sticker may be treated like hate items.
Your reading comprehensions skills are very underdeveloped and your false indignation is very misplaced. Reading the content in its entirety of phlogiston's comment it obviously wasn't intended as an anti-Semiticism smear. But, then you knew that and your concern about Huffington's readers is a giveaway to your agenda. Nice try at smearing posters and stopping debate through using false cries of anti-Semitism when none was intended.
Thanks so much to those who contributed with articulate and generous comments. Let us hope that this article and subsequent discussion will convince our anti-gun, liberal Jewish friends to think twice about their position.
I have a nice big NRA stickers on the doors of my home. If you were a criminal would you try to get into my home or would you move on to a house that has a big fat peace sign on the lawn.
Well.
If i agree very much that you should not let you kill and you must protect yourself because this is justice. I also consider that most of you will not kill someone else for no reason. But if i ocupied your land if i still your water if i build a wall in midle of your property and i let you pass but not your tractor if i bomb your schools your hospitals if i shot on your ambulances if i do not let your children go for a dialyse are you going to use your gun?
You have courage guy you are real men if you are respected and the world is reasonably fair you will never use your gun against someoneelse but if someone want you to live like a rat are you going to protect your family ?
me yes and the palestinian too.
So JUSTICE this is the real tool for peace comlete justice it;a an aim but we all now that it'impossible but as close has it can be.
Because any real man will react like you Israel can have the best gun it cannot win . JUSTICE this is the real power and through your post you say nothing else than that "do not be unfair with me or you will remember it(if you survive)"
Israel never stole any land. You are repeating Islamist propaganda in order to justify the Jew-hatred that is the fuel of the Arab Muslim world. What you call justice is, in fact, as the Hamas Covenant openly boasts, a call for genocide against the Jewish people.
Read the internet story "Battle of Jakes"!
The 2nd amendment is there for one reason; to keep the political class in awe of the people.
Well said!
hollow points…they cut through metal and armor right? but dont they also zip right through the body and sort of lack in the impact?
Howdy…… My signature says it all (and it's completely real and honest).
Cheers from South Flori-duh !
Kenny Solomon
Typical bitter Jewish God-clinging gun owner and barking-mad insane NASCAR fan.
Member: NRA, GOA, JPFO.
Great article. Unfortunately, Governor Arnold recently took us one step closer to gun control here in California by signing AB 962, an ammo registration measure which includes a ban on mail order ammo as of February, 2011.
You can help us retake our rights in occupied California by contributing to the Calguns Foundation. For more info: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/index.php
Jews with guns? That sounds like Hitler's worst nightmare, and what better reason for encouraging more of the same!
Ethiopian women can be extremely hot, and these IDF beauties are no exception.
You might also try one of the Women On Target shooting clinics sponsored by the NRA. I've been to one so far and it was an excellent introduction in a comfortable environment. You can see if there is a clinic near you on their website: http://www.nrahq.org/women/isc/clinics.asp
Remember back during the original Brady Bill debates when HCI was on the warpath and the NRA was revving up, and one of Ted Kennedy's bodyguards got caught with an illegal submachine gun? Never did find out how that turned out.
I live quietly with my wife in northern nevada. I also happen to be Jewish, and yep, a gun owner too. Matter of fact I own several, my personal favorite is my Ruger .357. I can't understand the attitude of other Jews who refuse to have a firearm in their home. Who do they think is going to protect them, they have to protect themselves.
No. A magazine is a magazine and a clip is a clip. An M-16 or a Galil uses a magazine. An M-1 Garand uses a clip.
You aren't speaking for justice, actually.
You are yet another moron.
It does not matter in what manner the populous is armed, only that they are armed.
Trying to split hairs by stating that there were no guns is totally missing the point. The idea, and a darn good one, is that the people, the idividual, the patriot have a means to stand on equal footing as the government that will undoubtedly try to control him.
No observe current events and tell me that isn't true.
I think she's absolutely beautiful. And she can handle herself well……double sexy…
EXCELLENT POST! Just excellent.
My sympathies for you and your family's loss of your dear son. His legacy as you've spoken of here is truly endearing.
The first photo looks staged… trigger shy??? first time holding one of these?
In the second photo the 'elite' solider might have better luck with his rifle with a magazine in it.
He must be busy reloading.
Yo………………..you with the big brain.
armed:
1 a : furnished with weapons <an armed guard>; also : using or involving a weapon b : furnished with something that provides security, strength, or efficacy <armed with knowledge>
C&G Merriam and Noah Webster
And did he tell you when they go home……………………………………they take their gun home with them.
Yes.
Mazel Tov….It's about damn time!
I find that Liberal/Progressive Jews have beliefs that are beyond my comprehension! I have discussed this with many others over the course of decades and have yet to find an answer. Of all the human beings on earth, the Jewish people would, you'd think, have the best understanding of what oppression in any form means. Yet, their beliefs are contrary and their support for government control of every aspect of the life of its citizens is scary. How can they believe this nonsense? How?
Ah, another one of those people blindly quoting that stat. Let's see if you mysteriously vanish after I ask a certain question:
Tell me, what percentage of blacks commit violent crimes?
The media invariably referred to Columbine and 9-11 as “tragedies.”
“They are not tragedies,” Ariel insisted. “They are atrocities.”
A tragedy is when people are killed in a flood, a fire or an earthquake.
Not exactly. The heart of true (Greek) comic-tragedy is that a man was brought to destruction through his own inner moral failing. In this view floods and other natural calamities can be called disasters or catastrophes, but not tragedies. The word "tragedy" could, however, describe what is happening in America today… the imminent destruction of the great promise through a great moral failing.
You'd be surprised how many times those stickers have detered would-be robbers.
I know people who don't own guns, but want THAT STICKER on their front door.
Nice article Robert, my sympathy regarding your son Ariels untimely passing.
And I hope your wife carries the M1911 in her leather bag. D B Smith.
Very funny. Snark.
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I dropped my membership years ago. Sorry, but I want a larger percentage of my money spent on 2nd amendment issues and a lot LOT less spent on 4-color press runs and postage to ask me for more money, or offer me special offers on this or that.
My favorite photo of FREEDOM in action. Israeli women soldiers on a shopping day in town.
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My favorite photo of FREEDOM in action. Israeli women soldiers on a shopping spree in town.
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"Nothing hotter than a woman in uniform, with a gun…………… "
Except, perhaps, a woman OUT of her uniform, with a gun . . .
How right you are
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