The Big Lie About The Big Lie About The Employee Free Choice Act
by Ned RiceIt all started with an innocent-looking email, this one from the collective bargaining entity which represents me as a network television writer. Along with the usual minutia there was a note requesting my support for the Employee Free Choice Act, a law which would allow employees to vote on unionizing while dispensing with some of the niceties we’ve come to associate with voting in this country— like, uh, the secret ballot. Hence “free choice,” in the sense that it’s not free and it’s not your choice.
Like most sentient, English-speaking people I oppose the EFCA because it would invite the browbeating of workers into unionizing whether they wanted it or not– which is why I suspect President Obama supports it. I expressed these sentiments to the collective bargaining entity which represents me as a network television writer and before I knew it a lively exchange was underway between me and a self-described “union organizer”– which sounded suspiciously to me like “community organizer.” That should have been my first clue.
The union organizer’s email response breezily assured me that the notion that EFCA would take away the secret ballot was totally, absolutely false. (This, apparently, is the Big Lie we’re all being told by the Business Lobby, whatever that is.) Instead, workers would decide if they wanted to vote (on unionization) by either a secret ballot or by the much more public “card count” system, the latter being the clear preference of EFCA supporters. (Oddly enough, the card count system– in which each employee signs either “yes” or “no” on their union card and then hands it in– is also the one in which each worker’s vote would become public knowledge.) Workers can also petition to have a secret ballot election if they choose to, my new union organizing friend helpfully added-which immediately brought to mind the following scenario:
EXT: TOWN SQUARE IN SMALL SOUTHERN TOWN, JIM CROW ERA
We see a RACIST SHERIFF, several BLACK CITIZENS.
RACIST SHERIFF: Y’all want a secret ballot for the sheriff’s election tomorrow, or would a simple show ‘a hands do?
(INCREDIBLY TENSE BEAT)
BLACK CITIZEN #1: Show of hands’d be just fine, Sheriff.
RACIST SHERIFF: Thought so. Hope I can count on all of your votes. Now, git.
EXEUNT
In my response to the organizer’s response I pointed out that such a system is practically designed for voter intimidation, whether on the part of management or by pro-union activists. I added that a secret ballot was an obvious requirement of any legitimate election, and wondered on what grounds anyone could possibly object to requiring a secret ballot for an election of any consequence. In other words, if your goal is for every voter to be able to vote his or her conscience without the possibility of outside influence, by either side, what better way to guarantee that than by making the secret ballot not an “option” but, rather, your standard operating procedure?
His response to all this, I noticed right away, was not quite so chipper. At no point did he address the heart of my argument: the fact that no election can truly be called free and fair in the absence of a secret ballot. Instead, he adopted a more patronizing tone, blithely assuring me that Jimmy Hoffa-style tactics (on the part of union activists) went out a long time ago, then asking, “Have you ever met a union organizer?”, which I take it he was saving as his big, knock-out punch question. He was, after all, a veteran union organizer who’d attended many union organizing drives.
But here’s the thing: I haven’t always been a TV writer. I was born and raised in a union town (Detroit), in a family which contained several labor union members, including (for a time) myself. Unlike my union organizing friend, whose main concern seemed to be that TV writers get their full union benefits, I know what it’s like to live among people who earn their living in factories, on heavy equipment and on assembly lines because I used to be one of them. These are the people, not television writers, whose lives would be most impacted by the EFCA. As a member of the UAW I found out what some of the benefits and drawbacks of union membership were. Without going into a lot of detail, I know why less than 20% of the U.S. workforce are union members (less than half of that if you exclude government workers), and it’s not just because of pressure from management. In fact, according to the pro-EFCA propaganda…uh, I mean website I was provided with in the initial email, some 64% of U.S. workers who declined to join a union say they did so without any pressure whatsoever from their employers.
The truth is, I’m all for unions, at least in theory. Union membership makes sense for some people in some occupations, like it does for me in my current one. What I’m against is the strong-arming of people who just want to do their work and be left alone into joining unions so as to swell the numbers (and coffers) of Organized Labor for political purposes, which appears to be the purpose of the EFCA. Unless I’ve overlooked something, the claim that making secret ballots “optional” gives voters more say on whatever it is they’re voting on is simply a lie. My union organizing friend’s position– saying that the EFCA takes away the secret ballot is a lie– is itself a lie. It’s a big lie, in fact, which is why I plan not to support the so-called Employee Free Choice Act. That is what I wrote in response.
It’s been three days now and I’m still waiting to hear back from my union organizing friend at the collective bargaining entity which represents me as a network television writer. Perhaps even now he’s out there in the trenches, leading another union organizing drive on behalf of yet another group of exploited, oppressed, over-worked and under-paid members of the American work force.
Like maybe the writers on “The Bachelor.”







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"America Must Pull out of NAFTA and WTO to SURVIVE"
I worked as an Industrial Engineer for 30 years for Rockwell International.
That is exactly what I did my whole life. I worked for 30 years evaluates labor cost for Rockwell International.
So trust me, I know when someone is getting screwed when it comes to labor cost.
This has been coming on since the very minute America joined NAFTA and the WTO. America has been losing money and jobs to the whole world. Every year and it has grown to a humongous amount in the last few years.
I have always said, things will just keep getting worse then at some point America will go into a total Collapse.
If you think you have money or a good job and will not be affected. I have news for you. Everyone will feel much pain before this is completely over.
Just imagine the Federal Government not having enough money to pay the Social security pensioners or their Medical Benefits or anything else. This is exactly where America is heading, so bucket your seat belt because we are in for a very, very bumpy ride.
My older bother who serviced in the Army in Europe during World War II, He said in Germany the money was so worthless that they had to take a wheel barrel full of money to the store to purchase a loaf of bread.
America is in a cross roads either we Pull Out of NAFTA and the WTO and solve our jobs problem or America will just keep going down, down till America goes into a total collapse.
What the President and Congress are doing is total insanity. This will be the third or forth bailout by congress and he promises us there will be more bailouts to follow.
What you are seeing right now is the planned destruction of America by President Obama and all his elite globalist cabinet members in order to usher in the “ONE WORLD ORDER”. Then we can kiss all of our freedoms good-bye.
Please tell me. Is there no end in sight?
America doesn’t need another bailout. America needs all those jobs that the Politicians have been sending off shore to Mexico, India and China for the last 15 years.
Then the American workers can pay their house payments and feed their family and things will start to improve over night.
This is a NO BRAINIER.
Pull out of NAFTA and the WTO. The International Trade Balances for year 2006.
YOU FIGURE IT OUT: The Hell with borrowing Trillions of Dollars from China.
If America just stopped EXPORTING anything in 2006 we would have lost $1,440 Billion Dollars in Jobs.
If America just stopped IMPORTING anything in 2006 we would have gained $2,200 Billion Dollars in Jobs.
That would be a Net Total Increase of $ 760 Billion Dollars of new Jobs created every year in America.
That would be a net decease in the National Debt every year.
But, all these Politicians are all Globalist and will not give up until America is totally destroyed. This is very, very sad because all is needed is USA PULL out of NAFTA and the WTO and watch the jobs increase. In facts this will create more jobs in America than we can fill.
They would rather Spent Billions of Dollars on trying to under write their Globalist Policies and keep borrowing money from China.
You want creating NEW JOBS in AMERICA?
“STOP Obama and his Globalist buddies from SENDING AMERICAN JOBS Off Shore TO CHINA”.
The American Politicians just don’t get it yet, but the next election we’ll get them.
They can print and throw all the money at this problem they want. Things will get a little better for a while and then we will slide back again into a recess or maybe a depression. Then we will need another bailout.
"Without going into a lot of detail, I know why less than 20% of the U.S. workforce are union members (less than half of that if you exclude government workers)…"
Good article, Ned. I wish you would do another and detail the why in your statement above. I'm interested.
Your daft, next you should propose to build that 100 ft wall around all the borders including the coasts. Now that would be protectionist. Don't be a 16 year old High School whimp about this go all the way.
EFCA is yet another job killer. You introduce unions to small business, many will close. If he kills the Golden Goose, we will all suffer, right & left, union & non-union alike. Barry is a Marxist myrmidon and has no clue about business. Successful people are not stupid, push to hard, and the money will dry up.
There is quite simply no way I would ever participate in this required "Jimmy Hoffa" crap – the Unions can all kiss my ever loving RAT ASS!
Ned, you really need to tell us what kind of parasite your "organizing friend" is. I would vote "obligate" – kind of like the President and most of Congress is at the moment – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_life_cycle...
Industrial engineer evaluating labor costs…hmmm. Besides the poor diction and misspellings everywhere…
As one who didn't attend college, but seems to be able to create cogent sentences far more effectively, I am highly suspect as to your bona fides, Harry. I dispute your stalking horse of NAFTA and WTO while you casually dismiss the point of the article. I resent your implication that American workers have to be coddled from international competition and protected against true fair trade. Your statement of Social Security as "going bankrupt"? Social Security is an astronomical black hole of financial disaster! Why should I allow further imbecility by the very politicians that created that horror? No secret ballot? I'm no milquetoast to be pushed around by either side with a stake in the issue, but why create trouble by introducing an unneeded variable in a functional system? You're an engineer, (sic), you should know this.
I ain't schooled, but I ain't stupid, neither.
You don't need a wall 100 ft wide. You only need Marines stationed every 500 yards or so.
Works like a charm.
You can always tell when someone is trying to pick your pocket. They smile and appear to be just a bit too accomodating.. Hey, would I do that to YOU???
Yes, they would.
Come on guys, let's take off the skirts here. The unions are corrupt, go down to La Costa and sit around and wonder who built this and who it benefits. Hoffa didn't get killed because he was a threat to Bobby Kennedy. Truckdrivers don't get shot from bridges because they're hauling too many candy bars. And Pinkerstons shot guys at Rouge River, at Matewan. It's been a dirty rough fight, but the fight is over. The need isn't there. The UAW is as much to blame for GM as anyone. When management doesn't respond to workers they have a NLRB election, but it's secret. The EFCA is a big gift, wrapped up in the kind of package that makes sense to an administration that is going to push business aside. AFSCME will be the powerhouse, along with NEA, and SEIU will makes quarterpounders cost ten bucks. It's another burden to drop on the American people, they'll get rid of this free makret, ambition stuff and bring Rousseau back to where he belongs.
Would the Employee Free Choice Act be followed by a Citizens Free Choice Act?
Every time one sees this industrial age Upton Sinclair take on society it reminds us of a true story. In the 40's, the Soviets decided to show Steinbeck's 'Grapes of Wrath' with Hank Fonda as Tom Joad. You know the film- Woody Guthrie's favorite- figuring it would show the masses how screwed up the US is. Trouble is, they saw even the dirt poor had cars… and were envious as heck. Common sense knows no borders, and the left, try as they might, cannot legislate or control that. That's why the hatred of the 'new media'….
Hey SPAMMER, no one bought this garbage the first 26 times you posted it across the net, no one's going to buy it now. What a disgrace that the unions would send you to come feed us SPAM.
Click on his profile folks, you'll see what I'm talking about – same post 26 time across the net — all made within the last hour.
Let's put them every 250 yards or so – just to be sure
Although on the Canadien border they can be at 500 yard increments because Candians on gurnies rolling down to our medical system are kinda loud anyway….
Point. Set, CLICK
right on the money
thanks Andrew!
Ned, watch your back.
they will try; they might not succeed. One suspects that they are cursing their damn luck- just when they 'get' the Golden Goose she is now laying brass eggs. It will be hard to accomplish what they set out to do if the productive stop producing…
What else would you expect good comrades to do?
Dear Leader Sotero will show them the way (verp)
Are you still trying to get a thumb-click bailout?
R, allow me to play devil's advocate…. people with money are evil. 'nuff said.
Good points, by the way.
R, allow me to play devil's advocate…. "people with money are evil. 'nuff said."
Good points, by the way.
Offhand, does anyone know of a business where the workers were able to get rid of their union?
Besides those companies forced to close because they weren't economically competitive in their sector, that is…
Hey Ernie, when you guys unionize BH, can we watch the vote?
Like maybe the writers on “The Bachelor.”
lol, priceless!
We are one. Shoulder to shoulder. Fighting against the trolls.
Last year the Teamsters tried to "organize" my dept. @ work. My co-workers didn't tell me that they had called them in until late in the game, which sucked. Needless to say I was pissed .
My guys were convinced that the Teamsters were going to solve ALL their problems, which was ludicrous, we're the highest paid employees in the bldg. But they wanted more.
Anyway, the Teamsters jerks asked us to come down to their local on Vineland to hang out, eat pizza, and learn more about the glorious Teamsters.
They were nice guys, I guess. The pizza was OK.
Then I started asking questions.
Can you guarantee in writing that you'll get us the wages you promise?
How can you expect a guy who's suspended because he can't afford to pay his dues to pay his dues?
Exactly where does the dues money go? How is it used?
I was asked to leave. " Mr. Eaton, you're going to have to leave."
There's more,but the short story is we're not a Teamsters house.
Look for the union label…
I may be wrong about this, but I believe the economic idea behind the free trade movement is based on David Ricardo's thesis that if there were free trade an entitiy could focus on what it does best, and then could expect the trading partner to do what it does best; this would be to everyone's benefit over time. Balance in trade would be the proof the matter. However, a severe imbalance in trade has occurred in the case of the USA as a result of free trade agreements. Does this not negate the hypothesis that free trade is on balance beneficial? Personally I think "free trade" is not a program designed to enhance economic effectiveness since obviously the USA is hemorrhaging wealth as a result of it.
continued…Actually it is a politically designed program with political goals in mind. I must say I am confused how a political class could reason that it is in their best interest for the host country to go broke, however. Especially so since it seems contradictory to assume the creditor nations (eg, China) would in effect be financing our military to their detriment. And they an expansionist nation with a profound cultural heritage, in addition. I think the political class has misjudged and very grossly underestimated our friends the Chinese. Not every non-white country is a manipulable banana republic, ya know.
If you want a good idea of how unionization REALLY affects unemployment, look to California.
One of the MOST unionized states (even grocery baggers have a union!), and the state unemployment rate, now eclipsing 10%, is only behind Michigan for the highest in the country….and Michigan, not short on unions either.
People without money are usually stupid, envious or both. I'm sure your kids would be more appreciative if you gave them what they needed in life like a nice house and a good education. Rather than a pat on the back and pointing them in the direction of the bus stop to the free breakfast and crappy education at public school. We don't work for ourselves, sometimes the work pays off, sometimes not. It's an encompassing intellectual and wits exercise matched with honesty and ability that usually pays off. In the end, alot more rewarding than sitting around chopping coke with a food stamp card, alone or with some other loser sniffling and waiting for someone to come help the devil's advocate who won't work.
yeah, bankrupcy works- except for GM, who, thanks to us taxpayers, has fully funded the UAW retirees so now they can go through a 'structured' bankruptcy…
the People's Republic of California has Queen Bee Pelosi looking out for the hive, so they'll dodge the bullet for a short while. When it collapses (and it's coming, friends) it will be Mad Max ugly…
Mjolnir,
The "spammer", thank you Andrew for pointing this out to whom you are replying does have one thing right. We are currently having a major problem with trade imbalance. Unfortunately his post disregards the real reason the WTO was set up in the first place. That was to ensure that the protectionism of the Smoot Hawley act which caused the Great Depression never reoccur. We imposed protectionist tariffs which were responded to by the rest of the world. As each nation sought to build up chinese trade walls, international trade itself stopped. The net effect of protectionism is to shrink each pie thus deflaiting the world economy.
The WTO is a court of sorts set up to handle trade disputes between countries. If you think you are the victim of unfair trade laws you can fle a greivance with the WTO. If they decide in your favor they will allow you limited tariffs or other sanctions if you will on the other country until that country corrects it law.
It remains to be seen how well it works. The irony is the spammer's policy of eliminating the WTO will bring about the same economic result he says he is trying to prevent.
The simple answer is it is not simple. To say there is a trade imbalance is to really try and look at one simple statistic and think that it actually represents a truth. It is a number that does not reflect the actual state of affairs. Like the economy or currency value the actual trade imbalence is a number that is imposible to really get a handle on. Raw Materials, Manufactured Goods are only a small part of any Nations Economy. There are trades involving expertise, personnel, manufacturing methods, licences, etc. As an example I worked in the R.O.V. Industry. I worked around the world. Sometimes I was paid by the Local Companies Directly sometimes not. My Company, when I worked Overseas for a number of years paid me out of a Ltd. Account in the U.K. I still paid U.S. Taxes it gets more complicated than that. The point I am trying to make is that large portions of any Nations Economy is much like my own income, hard to nail down the source but I still paid for things in the U.S.
If you think that the U.S. has had a true trade deficit for as many years as we have been showing we would have completely run out of money and capital over 20 to 30 years ago. The statistic only reflects manufactured goods and raw materials (things) to the degree that our complicated world system makes it possible to do so. Remember most large Companies/Corperations even if U.S. based have some International ownership. This does not include the Multinational Corperations where the wealth is not even reflected in the Home? countries balance sheets.
What we are left with is this, the only true way to measure the effectiveness of any countries home economy is by thier own Employment Figures. Until last year the U.S. was in a superior position to any other country. We are experiencing the current mess we are in because artificial wealth was introduced into the system with the creation of the Investment Derivatives which are impossible to value right now due to the undelying bad paper.
No with the really big elections it is easier to just stuff the ballot boxes.
Vote early… Vote often …..
One of the reasons I am splitting for New York…. Oh wait that's a blue state too. But actually where I'm going (Sufflok County) it's more red.
I am not against Unions but I am more for Professional Organizations that set minimum standards for anyone who works in a particular field. Welders have such a standards based approach for instance. Various skill levels of expertise are needed in the welding industry and certificates, that need constant updating, are required. A skilled welder with proper certifications can earn over $100,000.00 per year while at the same time less skilled welders earn on the average of $30,000.00 a year. Unions would penalise the skilled and reward the unskilled.
Unions are needed where such skills or other factors that make it hard to value an individual worker are difficult or impossible to place a value on. Collective bargaining is an effective tool in these situations. Card Check however is just unfair at any level to workers and management alike.
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What should be happening is that the US Dollar will fall in relation to the Chinese Yuan. It is supply and demand but with money. As dollars flow into china and yuan does not flow back to the US there is an oversupply. The dollar becomes less in demand and falls. This causes the Chinese goods to become more costly even if they are built with slave labor. Thus American goods become more competitive on the American market.
To stop this from happening the Chinese have been buying our debt. Now they have transformed American Dollars to American debt thereby propping up the Dollar and ensuring cheap goods coming from China. In a sense this is a work aroung the WTO to subsidize their industries.
China's problem is that it assumes American credit will remain viable. I we all of a sudden collapse and can't pay……………………………. it becomes their problem too even though the don't like us.
you can hide in Suffolk; there places up northern Ca. way (Redding) you can wait things out as well- it is a little 'cooted out' up there, though…
The only hope in this case is that card check may spur a debate about unionization in every workplace in the US and may provide an opportunity for much of the workforce to openly reject unions. In Hollywood we'll shut up when we hear liberal positions forced on us, but middle America will not be quiet. It's like the so-called Fairness Doctrine, forced to debate liberals on the air we can once and for all win the war of ideas. However, more likely is that the Fairness Doctrine will cause political talk to leave the airways and the card check will destroy many businesses. But these are my hopes. However, both must be fought at every cost because secret ballot and free speech are literally the bedrock of our democracy.
Somebody seems to forget that Obama was an anti-NAFTA until someone whispered in his ear this aligned him with some decidedly loony sorts. So after he secured the nomination he went quiet on the subject. But now that he is in office, whether he may choose to start beating that horse again remains to be seen.
So, if you're down on NAFTA, shouldn't you be supporting the highest ranking anti-NAFTA elected official in the nation?
I was wondering how the union organizers were framing the Card Check legislation. Right now the legal process for union certification is to have employees sign cards (a public process) requesting a vote (secret ballot process) regarding union certification. If at any time in the "card" process the employer takes possession of the cards, the union automatically wins. So you know the intimidation the unions are talking about cannot be coming from the employer – they aren't even allowed to TOUCH the cards, much less review them to see who voted for or against the union. The unions want to get rid of the secret ballot because in recent years employees have realized that they don't need unions and they may be better off without them (see Big Three automakers vs. Japanese and Korean companies operating in the US.) But these same employees are intimidated into signing a card authorizing an ELECTION, at which point the unions tend to LOSE. This is why the unions want to just do away with the secret ballot and be able to be certified simply by intimidating enough employees into signing cards.
Much if this is due to the continually failed efforts to unionize Wal Mart (and probably the Japanese car companies.) There have been cases where the unions move in to unionize a single Wal Mart store (which is all it takes to get union recognition) and Wal Mart will close the store rather than allow the union in. Under the proposed card check rule, the union organizers could get people to sign enough cards off premises (by visiting employees at their homes, for example – no intimidation there…) to certify a union before the company even knows the union organizers have been in touch with their employees.
As a businessperson, this legislation frightens me, and what frightens me more is that Obama ran on a promise to get this legislation approved ASAP after his inauguration. I'm already afraid of what the coming years will be like in our economy with all of the Socialist crap Obama wants to do. I'd hate to see even more of our American businesses go the way of the Big Three automakers, brought down largely by union interference in their businesses.
So tell me again why so many people are professing to be SHOCKED by the things Obama is doing, less than 90 days into his administration? From what I can see he is acting entirely in character with the little we knew about him during the election process. He is EXACTLY what he appeared to be, if anyone bothered to look.
Actually Rich, unions are NOT needed in those situations. Most free-market companies have the ability to figure out what any given job is worth in terms of salary and benefits. In fact, it's almost easier to do if you have lots of people working in low-skill positions. In right-to-work states, companies set a salary range within which they will pay a given employee (or group of employees) to perform a particular job. As a worker's skill level increases, they are usually given salary increases or promotional opportunities in line with their new skill level or job performance. If a worker's skill level does not increase, or job performance remains static, they either get small or non-existent pay increases, and tend to be at-risk for losing their job if cuts need to be made. This is as it should be. It allows the employer to control the costs of doing business in order to maximize quality and profitability. It also allows the employer to terminate low-performing employees and replace them with high performers.
In a union situation, the company doesn't get to decide how much a job is worth, the union does. The company doesn't get to promote or pay people in line with their actual performance, it's all done on seniority. The employer doesn't get to decide what the work rules will be, the union does. The managers don't get to supervise and coach individual employees, the union rep does. The managers don't get to decide which workers to keep and which to let go – regardless of job performance – the union does. And the union will rarely let someone be fired, because that eliminated that person's union dues.
And we wonder why American companies are so eager to move low-skill jobs out of the U.S.????
Unions are needed where such skills or other factors that make it hard to value an individual worker are difficult or impossible to place a value on.
I'm not even sure about that. The NEA comes to mind–"educators" claim there is no way to determine who is a "good" teacher (even though students and parents halfway engaged in their own education can recognized them). But the talented, dedicated teachers shouldn't need to bargain with the collective, only the ones just putting in the time to collect the sweet retirement benefits at age 53. And the time/money the NEA spends making sure lousy teachers cannot be fired unless they have sex wsith a student is secondary to their work promoting leftist/collectivist ideologies and politicians with no regard for the actual political beliefs of the individuals forced to pay dues.
He is EXACTLY what he appeared to be, if anyone bothered to look.
All they saw was an attractive black man, all they heard was "I will give you everything you need." They never stopped to think that voting for POTUS was any different than voting for American Idol, and no one in the ENC or the Obama campaign was going to tell them otherwise, because they wanted to win.
Where to begin? Well, how about the Hoover presidency? Very bad recession. How to cure it? Trade barriers. Your first assignment: read how the Smoot-Hawley tariff act played a major part in turning the bad recession into the Great Depression. Your brother's story is off by twenty years and a world war. The story is true, except it was after World War I, during the Weimar Republic. See "Smoot-Hawley" and "Great Depression" (above).
NAFTA and the other international trade agreements have their flaws. But so many of those "jobs that went overseas" went there because under trade protectionaism, American industry was producing low-quality products with high labor costs. Take away the barriers, and I can buy a better product at a lower price. So if American industry wanted to compete, it would become more efficient, produce quality products, lower labor costs, increase mechanization and automation. Put big labor and big government into the formula, add trade barriers, and we get out of the cureent bad recession by going into the New Great Depression.
Your comments are completely undermined by your apalling spelling, grammar and punctuation, which leads me to question whether you're really an engineer of any kind. The responses aren't any better. "Whimp"? "Canadien"? I realize this is the internet and a certain laxness is expected, but this is ridiculous.
Actually I was referring to areas where such reviews of perfromance or not possible. I was thinking more in the line of Migratory workers and the like. They are usually paid piece work, are on the lowest economic scale and are easily taken advantage of. Some Garment District Sweat shops etc. Other than these types of situations where workers, even if they are the best, have little or no recourse in todays world.
Unions have proven to be a Destructive Force actually speeding up the elimination of whole job catagories. The textile workers Union is a Prime Example. The Union was against the Modernization of the Mills as it would eliminate the number of workers needed to produce a certain amount of goods. Now how many textile workers remain in the USA, practically none. The UAW resisted the Moderization of Assembly Plants etc.
I forgot the best part. Obama is a globalist ? ! ? Well, I'm the king of Siam. Did you write this thing about thirty years ago and just start inserting the name of whoever holds the Presidency at the time you re-release it? Obama accidentally slipped and let it out that he was considering trade barriers. The market only dropped 120 points that day.
Some thoughts to ponder:
1. The House, Senate and Presidency are in the hands of "Labour" (if we were the Brits) political speak for "socialism".
2. Those of us who are paying attention figure the odds in favor of "card check" NOT passing are slim.
3. So what if employers, knowing (or fearing) their businesses being unionized, and knowing what unionization did to GM, Ford and Chrysler, preemptively began laying off workers once Obama was elected and THIS is the basis for the horrifying jobless stats we're seeing?
4. I don't have a business, but if I did, and if I had the number of employees that would make "card check" worth the unions' time, I'd sure as hell get that number down below where I'd be vulnerable.
Please excuse the spelling errors. I let my "need for speed" get ahead of my usual caution.
It has happened, but it's rare and it's dangerous. A small number of farm workers in California's San Joaquin Valley have broken away from the UFW. They faced death-threats to themselves and their families. And to be truthful, I don't know if they have managed to continue their disaffiliation.
I hate to be conspiratorial folks, but, the fix is in. Every body is in it for the money. If the government, and unions, push to hard American corporations will move the rest of the manufacturing off shore. Most people who own, and run businesses understand the importance of quality employee’s and make certain that their pay is a comparative wage for the region, while still showing a profit. Plain and simple, EFCA, and Obama’s tax hike will be a job killers.
Again, nice play on words. This bill about neither freedom, nor choice.
Clearly, you just hate poor people. You must hate unions too… and puppies.
I agree with the premise of your post, but would like to point out that you assert that children would be more appreciative of parents if they provided ease and free education.
The greatest gift my parents gave me was making me get along in life on my own (starting on June 16 the year I graduated HS) I knew my life's circumstance would be up to me. I retired 6 years ago at 36. Not rich, but at ease.
Also the generalization of poor people as stupid, envious or both – please rethink that. I think if you really thought that out, you would take it back.
This is part and parcel of what is the ultimate sickness of the left. They are able to shamelessly (thanks to a complicit media) posture as though trade offs don't exist. While it is uncommonly stupid to argue that increased labor costs, regulatory burdens and taxation lead to economic growth, the left shamelessly argues this anyway. I can understand stupid people buying into this, but frankly it is bewildering to me that so many purportedly educated people can be so ignorant of reality. They're emotion-driven fools, but maybe the looming train wreck will wake more of them up.
Teamsters were in company 18 months
Then voted out-secret ballot
Me too! …somebody connect the dots to unions driving up labor costs and U.S. manufacturing jobs leaving the U.S. Correlation? Ya, I think so…
Me too! …somebody connect the dots to unions driving up labor costs and U.S. manufacturing jobs leaving the U.S. Is there a correlation? Ya, I think so…
I'm not sure why this question was directed at me, but here goes. As governor, I'd take the feds money and then spend it within my state on endeavors that would actually stimulate the economy:
i.e. small business assistance, subsidies for local "cornerstone" industries, some sort of "innovation" award or grant for aspiring bright minds in technology and agriculture at the state universities, etc….
Stan, the million+ job losses since the Dimwitted One™ took office is an indictment of his catastrophic economic policies. This is what happens when you have the far leftwing fringe authoring legislation.
Actually, it takes A LOT more than sex with a student to get fired nowdays….at least if you are a female teacher, and the student is at least 10.
Plus, "good" teachers never end up on Oprah's couch, now do they?
Sounds like a standard union "script to me" — my bet is that this has been posted on many sites and sent to many people via e-mail many times, by many different people.
In fact, if you click on Harry's profile, you'll see that he's posting the same thing all over the place – 26 comments so far and counting.
"Your comments are completely undermined by your apalling spelling, grammar and punctuation"…
Do you know very many engineers? The apalling spelling, grammar and punctuation gave the piece it's only ring of authenticity.
It’s mind boggling in it’s stupidity. Not to become to cliché, “Atlas Shrugged.” The Immaculate One, said today to paraphrase, “don’t put your money in your mattress,” can you hear the sound of the mattresses being stuffed across this country, capital is on the side line now right now. This dangerous fool, is playing with the engine of prosperity in this country. Remember government nor unions produce one dime of worth, they have to borrow, tax, or extort. Next time you drive down a nice road thank an evil rich guy or gal, ha… !
What's missing in the discussion is the 2nd half of EFCA. Once union representation has been 'voted' on, if the union and the employer cannot come to an agreement, a FEDERAL EMPLOYEE is then sent in to SET the wages that the employer must pay! No 'cooling off period', no NLRB mediator, but a FEDERAL EMPLOYEE.
Congratulations Jamesb. You have just been certified as more intelligent than every Democrat I know.
markUSA
What should be happening is that the US Dollar will fall in relation to the Chinese Yuan. It is supply and demand but with money. As dollars flow into china and yuan does not flow back to the US there is an oversupply. The dollar becomes less in demand and falls. This causes the Chinese goods to become more costly even if they are built with slave labor. Thus American goods become more competitive on the American market.
To stop this from happening the Chinese have been buying our debt. Now they have transformed American Dollars to American debt thereby propping up the Dollar and ensuring cheap goods coming from China. In a sense this is a work aroung the WTO to subsidize their industries.
China's problem is that it assumes American credit will remain viable. If we all of a sudden collapse and can't pay……………………………. it becomes their problem too even though they don't like us politically.
Spiro,
Here is a question for you. How likely is that Governor's could get away with pulling a Jindlall and just stating: "you know what, keep your money we don't want the controls you are imposing." Could the govenor refuse to allow EFCA in his state. How about the state's legislative body. Just because the federal government goes and jumps off a cliff does not mean that we have to as our mother's would instruct.
Rich, even migrant farm workers are evaluated in their performance. They either pick the required amount of fruit/vegetables per day or they don't. And again, the farmers know what prices they can get on the open market for their produce, which is why they can't afford to hire minimum wage workers. I am also extremely tired of the old "workers on the lowest economic scale are easily taken advantage of and that's why we need unions for those poor stupid slobs" crap. EXCEPT for union members, we are all free agents in the job marketplace – EVEN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. If they didn't make more money building houses or picking lettuce in the US than they can staying at home in Mexico, they wouldn't risk their lives coming here by the millions. These people are not slaves. They are free to work or not work as they see fit. And anyone who was raised in the USA and had the opportunity for a free education through high school has nobody to blame but themselves if all they are qualified to do is sweep floors or pick lettuce. Unless, of course, they were forced to go to school in one of our many underperforming major metropolitan school districts – in which case you can thank the teachers' unions for the quality of education.
Yeah, Spammer Dude's story started to unravel when he talked about his 'brother' who had 'serviced' the army in WWll. And the whole "wheelbarrow of cash to buy a loaf of bread" thing happened mostly in the 1920's in the Weimar Republic. Besides building the Autobahn, Hitler stabilized the DM. Unfortunately, he didn't stop there.
But back to Unions: They've gotten downright creepy. They're not in this for the working man anymore. They want it all. Everything. Komplete Kontrolle, day and night. The whole ball of earwax. I've been threatened by them, and I've seen how they pressure their members to support their extra-curricular, anti-American agenda. I know what I'm talking about.
And I don't care what they do, they still can't have my earwax. They'll have to pry it from my cold dea… aw screw it..
Yeah, Spammer Dude's story started to unravel when he talked about his 'brother' who had 'serviced' the army in WWll. And the whole "wheelbarrow of cash to buy a loaf of bread" thing happened mostly in the 1920's in the Weimar Republic. Besides building the Autobahn, Hitler stabilized the DM. Unfortunately, he didn't stop there.
But back to Unions: They've gotten downright creepy. They're not in this for the working man anymore. They want it all. Everything. Komplete Kontrolle, day and night. The whole ball of earwax. I've been threatened by them, and I've seen how they pressure their members to support their extra-curricular, anti-American agenda. I know what I'm talking about.
And I don't care what they say or do, they still can't have my earwax. They'll have to pry it from my cold dea… aw screw it..
Your analysis of EFCA is spot on. I’m glad you had the courage to write about this important issue with such honesty. Promise to follow up with another blog post after a union organizer from your writer’s union and/or a local construction union “pays you a visit” and tries to silence your objection to this hallucinogenically named legislation.
This is exactly the same type of intimidation union organizers will exert on workers when seeking union authorization signatures during a union election campaign. It is exactly why the secret ballot is paramount to union elections.
EFCA is a power grab, is Un-American and will kill jobs.
For those of you just learning about unions and their symbiotic relationship with Democrats, take a look at the four pro-union executive orders signed by Obama that give federal contractors that employ union labor a massive advantage over non-union contractors.
Cronyism in its purest form!
[...] March 8, 2009 …in today’s Barack Obama and His Cabinet of Doom (scroll down), here is a nice post about a man and his union organizer. [...]
We'll fight this legislation before it's passed, and we'll fight it in the work place. Every damn one of us.
Oh no, not this HD aka Union Toady….again & again….quit the spamming! The "I": worked as an Industrial Engineer….always voted Republican until….never cheated on my taxes….am not a Pro Union TOOL….
is not working any longer, it's time to go back to your Union Hall and get a new crappy story.
I worked in shop floor management in a union manufacturing shop in upstate NY for 32 years and trust me union leadership is no more that a group ofo thugs. Most of the union employees in our company had no more use for thier union than we in management, but had no choice but to join to work. We did have a small group of radical union employees who spent more time getting out of work than producing. Unions there spent countless company time (money) trying to protect the incompetent lazy employee, hindering production to create more overtime and basically creating a disruptive force within the shop. I got so sick of hearing "It ain't my job". EFCA will crush American companies and unleash the thug union attack dogs on the workforce and yes companies will just close or go off-shore in larger numbers. What can we expect from a Chicago thug paying back his union thugs.
I think he's talking about the permanently poor. If you are poor and stay poor, then it's because of choices you made in your life. It isn't because someone worked to keep you down. My husband was two years into college when his mother dies of cancer and his father up and relocated leaving with with the choice of relocating and keeping familial some support or going it alone. My husband opted to go it alone. At that point, he had $50 and bicycle. Needles to say, we are no longer in those circumstances, but we could have opted to stay in them. And then, we would have been poor by our choice.
Read the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. It specifically says that anything that the Federal Government is not empowered to do by the Constitution itself is left to the states to do themselves. Over the years, this amendment has largely been crapped on time and again. However, this administration has done so much so fast and in such an alarming way along with the contonuing stream of rhetoric about what it still plans to do that at last count somewhere around 10 states at least had measures active in their legislative bodies to reaffirm the 10th Amendment for various reasons. Most of these are related to the Stimulus Bill alone.
In short, if the Feds aren't careful, we could be looking at a bonified Constitutional and Union Cohesion crisis on our hands.
LOL! Always! I guess that is my Liberal side coming out – something for nothing!
Man! that just made me mad again to read those facts Dcase – it's insane what's so crystal clear and being rammed down all of our gullets! Wake up AMERICA!
Oh how quickly those Obama stickers seem to fade on the back of all those damned Prius’s. The Hawaiian half breed seems intent on destroying the USA as fast as he possibly can, handing it over to our lazy and shiftless malcontents in his quest for adulation and power.
Please understand that in the US not everything is manufactured – we CANNOT stop importing. Also, you will have to subtract from that "net gain" the fact that if everything Americans use is made in America, no Americans could afford it, since the cost of living (and manufacturing) inside the US is too damn high. Don't believe me? Take a look at all thing manufactured in the US – American Apparel, Ford, etc) and examine their pricetag in relation to other goods – they cost too much for what they offer. In addition to that, not all good can be made here. There are a lot of things Americans would simply have to do without, and no spoiled American will stand for that.
You can be as sensationalist as you like, but your fix is simply wrong. It will not work.
Exactly right. I retired from AT@T Technologies as a shop supervisor and lived through the same crap. 10 people to do one man's job, no penalty for incompetence. Anyone noticed an AT@T plant in the US lately.?
"The, what is it class? The Smoot……the Smoot Hawley…what is it class? Anybody?…..Smoot Hawley Act?…." Isn't that in a scene from "Fast Times"? Ben Stein…halarious.
On the issue of the free choice act. If the voting isn't secret, it isn't free, and it isn't democratic.
It is troubling to read the union bashing based on the premise that "all unions are corrupt". Union negotiations DID play a part in the increased cost of American produced goods. But it seems to me the biggest cost factor was a gaggle of top execs who extracted many times more income than all the hourly workers put together. And that little tidbit is not getting any mention here. WHY???
People who make their way into upper exec levels seem to feel and entitlement to exorbitant wages even in the company they work for isn't doing well. Have you been ignoring the news lately?
Get real people, the majority of companies in money troubles don't even have unions. Who you gonna blame now?
"Pull out of NAFTA and the WTO. The International Trade Balances for year 2006…"
Apparently he's been typing this since 2006, also.
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