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		<title>By: Carycomic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carycomic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>   The mayor of Hadleyville (J.C. Flippen) tries to persuade the marshal that his absence will discourage the Miller gang from doing anything.  But,  Miller survived his prison sentence by making Kane the object of his vengeful obsession!    So, I think it much more likely that Miller would have vented any frustration of that vengeance on Hadleyville, as a whole.  And, believe me, it would have been all too easy! 
 
   He and his men could have set the hay, at the local stable, on fire.   The townsfolk,  as a whole, would come to fight it.   At which point, all the Miller gang would have to do is start firing indiscriminately.  Probably from nearby rooftops,  with Winchester rifles! 
 
   In short;  Kane undeniably did the right thing, staying to face the Miller gang when no one else would.  Because,  &quot;civilized&quot; appeasement would have failed Hadleyville just as miserably as it failed to keep Europe out of World War II.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mayor of Hadleyville (J.C. Flippen) tries to persuade the marshal that his absence will discourage the Miller gang from doing anything.  But,  Miller survived his prison sentence by making Kane the object of his vengeful obsession!    So, I think it much more likely that Miller would have vented any frustration of that vengeance on Hadleyville, as a whole.  And, believe me, it would have been all too easy! </p>
<p>   He and his men could have set the hay, at the local stable, on fire.   The townsfolk,  as a whole, would come to fight it.   At which point, all the Miller gang would have to do is start firing indiscriminately.  Probably from nearby rooftops,  with Winchester rifles! </p>
<p>   In short;  Kane undeniably did the right thing, staying to face the Miller gang when no one else would.  Because,  &quot;civilized&quot; appeasement would have failed Hadleyville just as miserably as it failed to keep Europe out of World War II.</p>
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		<title>By: Carycomic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carycomic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>   The Bible says that there&#039;s a time to cast stones and a time to gather them together.     But, with regard to Hadleyville, the return of the Frank Miller gang was definitely not the latter time!   
 
 John Wayne&#039;s intense dislike for this film was based on his unshakable belief that the citizens of Hadleyville would not have been so cowardly.  And,  prior to the 1890&#039;s, that might have been true of such a frontier town in real life.   But, by the 1890&#039;s, the Old West was no longer considered &quot;wild.&quot;  So,  I find it all too _plausible_ that the citizens of such a frontier town might consider themselves too civilized to tolerate a gunfight between outlaws like the Miller gang and a real-life version of Marshal Kane.  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bible says that there&#039;s a time to cast stones and a time to gather them together.     But, with regard to Hadleyville, the return of the Frank Miller gang was definitely not the latter time!   </p>
<p> John Wayne&#039;s intense dislike for this film was based on his unshakable belief that the citizens of Hadleyville would not have been so cowardly.  And,  prior to the 1890&#039;s, that might have been true of such a frontier town in real life.   But, by the 1890&#039;s, the Old West was no longer considered &quot;wild.&quot;  So,  I find it all too _plausible_ that the citizens of such a frontier town might consider themselves too civilized to tolerate a gunfight between outlaws like the Miller gang and a real-life version of Marshal Kane.</p>
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		<title>By: TottenhamJoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>TottenhamJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 02:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to love High Noon as a kid. Then about 25 years ago I read an article that said that the screenplay (written by the blacklisted former communist party member Carl Foreman) was really just an anti Joseph R. McCarthy screed. I&#039;ve never been able to see the film in the same way since that time. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to love High Noon as a kid. Then about 25 years ago I read an article that said that the screenplay (written by the blacklisted former communist party member Carl Foreman) was really just an anti Joseph R. McCarthy screed. I&#039;ve never been able to see the film in the same way since that time.</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teacher in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, missed a key phrase in my reply:  Here it is: 
 
recall a piece similar to this post 9-11, and it ended with discussion of Will Kane dropping the badge in the dirt after the fight is over. That piece also drew the parallel to Europe and the rest of the free world, who owes its freedom and its enlightened social welfare states to the UD shouldering most of their national defense, hoping and praying that the US does not lay down its badge and retreat leaving them to face the Allah-akbhar screaming Frank Millers of the world alone.  
 
One small nitpick. The correct spelling is MarshaL, with one L. The Marshals are the least known and most frequently misspelled branch of Federal law enforcment.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, missed a key phrase in my reply:  Here it is: </p>
<p>recall a piece similar to this post 9-11, and it ended with discussion of Will Kane dropping the badge in the dirt after the fight is over. That piece also drew the parallel to Europe and the rest of the free world, who owes its freedom and its enlightened social welfare states to the UD shouldering most of their national defense, hoping and praying that the US does not lay down its badge and retreat leaving them to face the Allah-akbhar screaming Frank Millers of the world alone.  </p>
<p>One small nitpick. The correct spelling is MarshaL, with one L. The Marshals are the least known and most frequently misspelled branch of Federal law enforcment.</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teacher in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall a piece similar to this post 9-11, and it ended with discussion of Will Kane dropping the badge in the dirt after the fight is over.  That piece also drew the parallel to Europe and the rest of the free world, who owes its freedom and its enlightened social welfare states, hoping and praying that the US does not lay down its badge and retreat leaving them to face the Allah-akbhar screaming Frank Millers of the world alone. 
 
One small nitpick. The correct spelling is MarshaL, with one L.  The Marshals are the least known and most frequently misspelled branch of Federal law enforcment. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall a piece similar to this post 9-11, and it ended with discussion of Will Kane dropping the badge in the dirt after the fight is over.  That piece also drew the parallel to Europe and the rest of the free world, who owes its freedom and its enlightened social welfare states, hoping and praying that the US does not lay down its badge and retreat leaving them to face the Allah-akbhar screaming Frank Millers of the world alone. </p>
<p>One small nitpick. The correct spelling is MarshaL, with one L.  The Marshals are the least known and most frequently misspelled branch of Federal law enforcment.</p>
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		<title>By: Do not forsake me o Obama (Arthur v Carter) &#171; DaTechguy&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Do not forsake me o Obama (Arthur v Carter) &#171; DaTechguy&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] action for the Arthur vs carter watch at the moment but at Big Hollywood there is an excellent article on the subject comparing the decisions the president will need to make with that of Marshall Will Kane in High [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne and others considered this movie in a negative light because of the ideology of the segment of the population exampled by sojourner

this just confuses these types of people as to the black/white issue and makes the liberals feel good about their bias against the patriots, non-elitists and day to day Americans.

sojourner - go back to the way we were and work yourself to death on that with barbra and bob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne and others considered this movie in a negative light because of the ideology of the segment of the population exampled by sojourner</p>
<p>this just confuses these types of people as to the black/white issue and makes the liberals feel good about their bias against the patriots, non-elitists and day to day Americans.</p>
<p>sojourner &#8211; go back to the way we were and work yourself to death on that with barbra and bob.</p>
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		<title>By: Tumbleweeds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tumbleweeds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sojourner makes a case about Amy &quot;dumping&quot; her beliefs and I think he realy misses the point of being Quaker.  The point where Amy dumps her Quakerism is when she argues to run rather stand beside a force that is willing to face a verified and inarguable Evil.  The Abolishionist movement centered in Quakerism for the first 50 years of our Republic and Quakers risked life and limb to &quot;rescue&quot; slaves from the South.  They did not advocate a &quot;runaway&quot; philosophy from danger but stood &quot;athwart the road&quot;.  When Amy went so far as to buy a ticket and board a train to &quot;runaway&quot;, leaving her husband to his fate that was the true betrayal of her Faith.  
To not engage Evil on Evil&#039;s terms thereby ensuring the certain triumph of Evil is a moral dilemma that is encountered more often than the post-modern world would like to think.  Amy was faced with the choice of being 1) Quaker, letting her husband die and Evil, that is Frank Miller, triumph for her &quot;pride of conviction&quot; which had already been demonstrated as hollow; or 2) Christian, and battle against Evil.  Pride goeth before the fall and to defeat Evil is paramount.  What is the point of being &quot;Quaker&quot; if Evil defeats Good.  If Christianity is thrown down where will Quakerism find its validity.  Amy made a deeper choice than Sojourner is willing to allow her.  Perhaps she was no longer a Quaker, the movie doesn&#039;t say and possibly she reaized that by boarding the train she didn&#039;t have the fortitude to be a Quaker, but certainly she is a Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sojourner makes a case about Amy &#8220;dumping&#8221; her beliefs and I think he realy misses the point of being Quaker.  The point where Amy dumps her Quakerism is when she argues to run rather stand beside a force that is willing to face a verified and inarguable Evil.  The Abolishionist movement centered in Quakerism for the first 50 years of our Republic and Quakers risked life and limb to &#8220;rescue&#8221; slaves from the South.  They did not advocate a &#8220;runaway&#8221; philosophy from danger but stood &#8220;athwart the road&#8221;.  When Amy went so far as to buy a ticket and board a train to &#8220;runaway&#8221;, leaving her husband to his fate that was the true betrayal of her Faith.<br />
To not engage Evil on Evil&#8217;s terms thereby ensuring the certain triumph of Evil is a moral dilemma that is encountered more often than the post-modern world would like to think.  Amy was faced with the choice of being 1) Quaker, letting her husband die and Evil, that is Frank Miller, triumph for her &#8220;pride of conviction&#8221; which had already been demonstrated as hollow; or 2) Christian, and battle against Evil.  Pride goeth before the fall and to defeat Evil is paramount.  What is the point of being &#8220;Quaker&#8221; if Evil defeats Good.  If Christianity is thrown down where will Quakerism find its validity.  Amy made a deeper choice than Sojourner is willing to allow her.  Perhaps she was no longer a Quaker, the movie doesn&#8217;t say and possibly she reaized that by boarding the train she didn&#8217;t have the fortitude to be a Quaker, but certainly she is a Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: ISITC</title>
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		<dc:creator>ISITC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sojourner - Actually, your earlier comments were the inspiration for my post. You were speaking from a very deliberate place in your heart against some other very passionate posters that I tended to side with. But your thought was reasoned and without malice and I greatly appreciated reading everything you were bringing to the discussion. 

I think your post was in moderation or something as mine went up. Even if I had read your &quot;rant&quot; before I posted, I would only have slapped your wrist regarding the generalizations I know you yourself recognized. But having said that, I have to look at myself and ask how do I side with the conservative issues you highlight, while seeing your position against that type of thought. I could argue those points here, but that would take this way off topic. So, thanks for your contribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sojourner &#8211; Actually, your earlier comments were the inspiration for my post. You were speaking from a very deliberate place in your heart against some other very passionate posters that I tended to side with. But your thought was reasoned and without malice and I greatly appreciated reading everything you were bringing to the discussion. </p>
<p>I think your post was in moderation or something as mine went up. Even if I had read your &#8220;rant&#8221; before I posted, I would only have slapped your wrist regarding the generalizations I know you yourself recognized. But having said that, I have to look at myself and ask how do I side with the conservative issues you highlight, while seeing your position against that type of thought. I could argue those points here, but that would take this way off topic. So, thanks for your contribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;My point wasn’t that Gary Cooper was wrong to shoot the bad guys. I was pointing out that many conservatives thought is more like Amy, dumping convictions when they suits them, than Gary Cooper.&lt;&lt;

Like most liberals Sojourner gives us a wholly inaccurate portrayal of events.  It is just spin.  Amy had to choose between a belief that would get her husband, a good man, killed by an evil one, or choose to violate those principles to save him and the town.  Recall the scene where I think it was Lee Van Cleef busted a store widow and stole something.  &quot;Can&#039;t you wait?&quot; he was asked.  They had more plans after killing Kane.  Life doesn&#039;t always present us with the simplistic choices of liberalism. Life isn&#039;t a Saturday morning cartoon morality play. Principles aren&#039;t scientific laws.  Sometimes they are superceded by other, higher principles as in this case.  Otherwise, Amy did the wrong thing, and should have been pleased with the death of her husband and the death of the town. She lived up to her principles. Just as liberals will be pleased with themselves when a former Gitmo detainee kills a bunch of innocent children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;My point wasn’t that Gary Cooper was wrong to shoot the bad guys. I was pointing out that many conservatives thought is more like Amy, dumping convictions when they suits them, than Gary Cooper.&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Like most liberals Sojourner gives us a wholly inaccurate portrayal of events.  It is just spin.  Amy had to choose between a belief that would get her husband, a good man, killed by an evil one, or choose to violate those principles to save him and the town.  Recall the scene where I think it was Lee Van Cleef busted a store widow and stole something.  &#8220;Can&#8217;t you wait?&#8221; he was asked.  They had more plans after killing Kane.  Life doesn&#8217;t always present us with the simplistic choices of liberalism. Life isn&#8217;t a Saturday morning cartoon morality play. Principles aren&#8217;t scientific laws.  Sometimes they are superceded by other, higher principles as in this case.  Otherwise, Amy did the wrong thing, and should have been pleased with the death of her husband and the death of the town. She lived up to her principles. Just as liberals will be pleased with themselves when a former Gitmo detainee kills a bunch of innocent children.</p>
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