Adam McKay, Care to Debate Health Care Reform?
by Michael WilsonDear Adam,
We’ve gone back and forth this week, with me writing here at Big Hollywood and you Tweeting responses. The lastest from @GhostPanther came directly to @Wilson_Michael and you asked me a question. I have an answer, but I think there’s a better way to have this conversation. And that’s what this should be… a conversation that takes place within the arena of ideas.
Adam McKay
This is important stuff and I’m fascinated by how two fellow Americans can see the world so differently. We probably both think we believe in freedom and liberty. We likely both think that we should take care of the poor. I know we both believe everyone should get the very best health care possible. How we get there while keeping our nation free is up for debate.
So let’s do it. Let’s have the debate. I challenge you to debate me on health care reform.
You have access to any number of websites, I have Big Hollywood. I suggest we go two rounds. And I’ll even give you the last word. Let’s show everyone that two guys can have a civil, respectful debate. In the end, no one will win and I’m okay with that. But let’s lay out our arguments about how health care should work. Feel free to explore any political or economic areas you wish. Maybe people will learn something.
And just as an aside to my conservative Big Hollywood friends who’ve criticized Adam on this issue, I’d like to point out that he and his colleagues are not entirely unreasonable. As evidence, I’d ask you to just take a peek at this bit about environmental hysteria.
I know that you’re currently directing a film and life must be a little crazy at the moment. I’m respectful of that. So just tweet. Let me know whether or not you accept the challenge and when you can do it. If you can’t do it until January, I’ll wait. It’ll be just like trying to see a doctor in Canada.
I look forward to the chance to step into the arena of ideas with you.
Take care,
Michael Wilson
@Wilson_Michael
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Suggestion: The first one to bring up racism or Hitler automatically loses.
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Only Hitler and racist are against National Healthcare….Crap, I lost!
Nationalized (Government) health care delivers wonderful value and treatment with reference to well checks and vaccinations. Can't be beat. It's when the patient gets sick that Nationalized/Government health care cannot deliver.
The best way to address government health care is twofold:
1. Make it LAW that IF we have government health care, the current health care enjoyed by government and government employees is immediately dropped and all government employees from the janitors to the ranking Senator and Chief Justice (the exception being the president who goes on gov. health care when he is out of office) goes on the public option and that doctors are fined up to $10,000.00 per patient for putting anyone to the head of the queue
2. Enact Tort Reform
Without those two provisos, government health care will not work
ATTENTION LIBERALS: The word is 'ideas', not 'ideals'.
Of course he won't debate you. You crazy? A debate would mean he(McKay)would have to do more than throw out a few left wing talking points. These folks are easy to beat in debates. That' why they don't do them.
Haven't you heard the time for debate is over?
Who the heck is Adam McKay? I gather he makes films and is liberal. He's also fat. Has anyone ever see Adam Mckay and Michael Moore together?
M. Wilson – you appear to be well versed on this issue, just in case you missed this new info on the 18,000 number of deaths that the left uses to bolster their argument for hcr, there is a new study refuting that number and concluding that hcr might save zero lives: http://tinyurl.com/mlb8s5 good luck!
Even with those two changes Government run health care will not work. You cannot eliminate the politics from the program. As a result, the organized politically influential will always prevail over the unorganized politically weak. Just think of why it is in New Jersey that a single young male cannot buy a health insurance policy that does not include coverage for in-vitro fertilization. That is something he will not use as long as he is single but will have to pay for because the politically connected demanded that it be covered.
In addition a government takes over the health care system, all of the incentives for doctors and medical providers to provide services will be lost. Once a doctor can no longer make any money working 60 hours than working 40 – what do you think they are going to do. Just look to the British National Health System. Just recently the doctors in the system just agreed to a new labor contract that pays them about 160,000 pounds sterling per annum and work hours of 9 to 5 Mondays through Fridays. No weekends, evenings or on call hours. If you need a doctor during off hours than you may have to rely on that new graduate from Angola that the National Health System needs to bring in to cover the times when the regular National Health System doctors are not on duty.
Government cannot run an efficient and effective service regardless of what it is. We tolerate the DMV and Postal Service simply because we have been conditioned to it and they are not life critical services. Why would we think that with medical care they will finally get it right?
I have to agree with the others Michael, don't hold your breath waiting for a response from Adam. he knows where his bread is buttered and he is Will Ferrell's B*tch.
You could hand him his head in a debate and it wouldn't matter. People that are so full of the kool-aid simply refuse to ever compromise or admit they are wrong.
It'll happen with this guy too if he even accepts your challenge.
Oh, no he didn't! It's ON! LOL
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Godwin's Law!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law
liberals can't debate. they don't have enough information. therefore you are an automatic winner.
Oh man you did it this time. You broke the cardinal rule of modern liberal: Thou shalt not partake in honest, reasonable, logical debate.
Here's how modern liberals debate, trust me, I've grown up with them, I work with them, I'm surrounded by them like a bad zombie movie.
1. The modern liberal is right.
2. The debate shall center not on the exchange of ideas in a friendly atmosphere. Rather it will center on how obvious it is they are right, and you don't agree with them, there by proving you are even more wrong.
3. Insults and ad hominem attacks high lighting how obvious it is you aren't following rule number 1.
4. Lather, rinse, repeat.
problem is, few liberals will debate on facts. think about it – try having a rational discussion and toss in facts, figures, documented info, etc. what do you get in response? 'yeah, but, I FEEL…' apples and oranges. cats and dogs. sure, facts can be skewed (lies, damn lies and statistics) but without some solid foundation, you get nowhere.
. This is NOT about healthcare reform. It’s NOT about reform, at all. This entire issue is about “grabbing more freedoms from the American people."Emergency Room RN for many years, let me tell you a storyWhile I was bringing a critically ill patient to Intensive Care, his wife jumped on the elevator (a practice I usually do not encourage) and said, “Remember, if anything happens you are not to do ANYTHING. He made a Living Will with the doctor last year.” MY PATIENT spoke up saying, “Don’t listen to her Girly, if anything happens you MUST do everything you can to save me. I changed my mind.”So, ethical dilemma? Not for ME. My patients CURRENT wishes prevail! How do I “correct” the Government-mandated Computerized patient record? Aside from MY experience that “Garbage IN- Garbage Out prevails in most health records entered by Physician offices, how can I assure my patient that I “have his back?” How do I insure his RIGHT to choose HIS end-of-life experience.
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Michael's point of view HAS merit. Mr. McKay, in his quest to be entertaining is off the mark! NO debate, here.
If you ever do get the chance to debate him (which should be right after the next time Michael Moore passes up dessert), you might want to let him in on a great statistic I saw here (or it was linked from here). It seems that of the largest health insurance groups, the one who turns down the most procedures (by percentage) is actually Medicare, so you might want to ask him why he supports a policy that "kills more people" than any other insurance carrier.
they're liberals.. you can leave out the lather and rinse.
Don't hold your breath, brother.
2 points – 1. The government, any government, cannot both regulate and also run health care or anything else; it is a conflict of interest. Corruption, rationing and dictatorial autocracy are inevitable when the ruling party, not the people, controls both the system and the appeal/regulatory power.
2. Universal health care does not require taxpayer funded abortions or industry takeovers; yet these are the only objectives of the proposal wordings and proposed regional boards. It is pure hypocracy to say you want universal care but refuse to positivly eliminate either tax funded abortions or rationing boards.
I've actually got to disagree with you on your initial point. Regarding well checks, Americans are more likely to have had a recent dental cleaning than Europeans under Socialized care. American women are more likely to have had a recent pap smear or mammogram. American men are more likely to have had a recent prostate screening. Eye exams, cholesterol tests, colonoscopies, nearly any form of preventative care – Americans are more likely to have had it done recently. That's partly why American cancer survival rates are so much better – the cancer is caught earlier. (The other reason is that, once cancer is found, Europeans have to wait longer for treatment, and have fewer treatment options available.)
Exactly. Unfortunately it usually doesn't work in debates.
This entire fiasco really, at it's base, has nothing to do with insurance or health care. It's all about the government grabbing power from We The People.
Health care is must the vehicle.
People who are free are not economically equal. And people who are economically equal are not free.
Careful, Michael, you're dueling with an unarmed opponent. I suspect Mr. McKay will need some sort of liberal health care when you're done with him.
'New Jersey that a single young male cannot buy a health insurance policy that does not include coverage for in-vitro fertilization."
Excellent point, but we have to start somewhere if real reform is to be enacted.
You bring up a great point about in vitro fertilization. Wonder how in vitro is "treated" in Nationalized Health Service countries? I don't have the data, but I'll bet a dime to a donut, it isn't routine the way it is here.
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