Geert Wilders Can Crash at My Place
by Michael WilsonGeert Wilders, the right-wing Netherlands politician (right-wing in Amsterdam means something entirely different than it does here…) has been denied entry to the United Kingdom because he made a little movie called “Fitna” that shows the passages terrorists use as the basis for their terror in juxtaposition with images of said terror. The British equivalent of Secretary of State has decided that Wilders is a threat to the public safety of the nation. WILDERS is a threat because his visit might piss off Muslims and THEY might blow shit up. Nothing makes Wilders’ point better than England’s fear of Islamic terrorism during his visit.
It’s shameful. Shameful.
In addition to being eighty-sixed from London today, Wilders, a member of parliament in the Netherlands, has been criminally charged and faces both expulsion from parliament and PRISON TIME for making this film. Apparently, in some places in Europe, it’s a crime to offend people. He’s formally charged with something called “inciting hatred,” whatever that is. Not that Wilders doesn’t go too far sometimes, calling for the banning of the Koran and imams, but people should have a right to believe in any crap they want, I suppose, and they certainly should be free to read whatever they want.
On a friend’s Facebook page a few nights ago, I got into a “discussion” with a total stranger about Wilders and whether his speech in “Fitna” and elsewhere is protected. The other guy seemed to think that there might be cases of political speech that would be unprotected because the words are “hateful” and might “incite violence.”
He brought up the old “you can’t shout fire in a theater” argument, which is not at all analogous, because a) you can shout “fire” if there’s a fire, and b) it’s not political speech. The intent of Wilders’ film “Fitna” is to scare the bejesus out of people, and perhaps rightly. Watch it for yourself. Go. Right now. I’ll wait.
Okay, you’re back. You’ve seen the offensive material. Full of fear-mongering, right? Well, maybe. But it also simply gives you the sections of the Koran terrorists use to justify their atrocities. It’s factual. But it’s offensive to Muslims because Muslims don’t want to be seen in a negative light, and more importantly, they take great offense at anything that exposes Allah’s words for what they really are … imaginary.
I’m out as an atheist. I don’t believe in any sort of hocus-pocus or in invisible people who live in the sky. I’m not quite as intolerant of religion as other atheists I know, but when these friends talk about religion doing more harm than good (this includes not only Islam, but Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and all the other variations) I get what they’re saying. The Muslim community has a right to believe in this crap as much as anyone else, but it seems that the fundamentalism in that community is far more rampant than anywhere else. And when they riot in France, blow up trains in Spain, and kill 3,000 of my countrymen here in the U.S., how can they be pissed when a politician says, “WHOA! HOLD ON THERE!”? Yet, rather than trying to apologize for the crazies within their ranks, they continue to try to foist their religion on the rest of us (and talk about taking over the world). It’s just bad PR.
And they’re winning. Muslims, even some “moderates,” who call for Sharia Law to be the law of the land in England, are actually winning. Today they won a big victory when Geert Wilders, a man who believes in democracy and the rule of law over the terror of fundamentalist religion, was kicked out of England after being invited by a member of England’s House of Lords.
They won because the British pussied out and submitted to fear (the word “Islam” translates to “submission”… how apropos) of the very people Wilders is warning them about. There’s no realistic expectation that the UK thought Wilders would cause trouble. They thought the people who have put a Fatwa on his ass would cause trouble. So instead of dealing with the trouble and standing up for free speech, standing against terror, and welcoming an invited diplomat from a fellow European Union member, they caved to terror.
So while the Brits turned him away, Mr. Wilders can crash at my place any time he needs. I don’t have a big home, but there’s a spare bedroom and I always throw in some kick-ass homemade pancakes in the morning before my guests leave. In fact, that bedroom is always open to anyone with a Fatwa, Jihad or other threat of imminent death by the followers of any invisible man in the sky.
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How long, do you think, before that begins here?
This is about free speech; ya can't shut one guy up and let the other guy talk. Everybody on all sides of any issue has the right to be heard even if ya don't like it.
You have the right not to listen to somebody else's free speech if you find it annoying. What nobody has is the right to actively shut him up.
kelly, it already has begun here; however, as long as people express such ideas as michael and john, it doesn't matter…one person can make quite a difference in widening awareness, for example, geert wilders.
The UK should attack the cause of the problem, not the messenger who brings news of the problem. They're scared the Wilders' mere presence will incite acts of terrorism, so why not attack the terrorists? Wilders hasn't done anything wrong.
I'm totally going to go get myself a fatwa in order to get some home-made pancakes. Mmmm pancakes!
Wilson, in all fairness please don't perpetrate the athiest myth that all religion is bad because of _____ (fill in blank with terrorism, crusades, inquisition..). The elephant in the room 2000 years of Christian beliefs and values that have brought us to where we are today in the west and our positive influence on the rest of the world. Its a shame they cant teach anyone about this in government schools because if so your line of reasoning would never stick.
He can crash at my place too. I'm really disappointed in the Brits, never thought their collective spines would turn to tapioca because of muslims….
Ditto. I saw Fitna when it first came out. It didn't make broad statements about every practitioner of Islam on the face of the planet. It did point the finger at specific individuals and methods the terrorists use to, yes, incite violence. Everyone should see that film. Everyone.
And yet, there are people I know who would still say that, somehow, we are the bad guys for calling what is evil, evil.
The same people that want to hang Wilders in a mob want Bin Laden to get a fair trial. How ironic, or said, or both.
>"… it's a crime to offend people."<
Unless of course you are, "no offense", President ['Taqiyyah'] Obama and his fascist-thug ilk offending/stealing (over-taxing), regulating and demonizing the freedoms of decent, entrepreneurial, hard-working Americans that are trying to build their dreams for themselves and their families in individual liberty and justice under the Constitution.
Europe is doomed… (see Mark Steyn's demographies)…
Welcome to the collective of Toqueville/Levin's 'Soft Tyranny' America!
And, don't you non-colored 'dhimmis' even think to use the "N"-word here either…
Can I get a 'Hudna'… anyone?
Hate to say it folks but most countries do not have a First Amendment like we do and even that is on life support in the U.S.S. of A.. Canada went after Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn for "offending" Muslims. France went after Brigitte Bardot for "offending" Muslims. Italy tried to go after Oriana Fallaci for "offending" Muslims, but Fallaci died before the authorities could do anything.
Here's the dirty secret. The jihadists do not want you to know what they're up to and the politicians who let them into Europe, the UK, Canada, and the U.S. do not want you to know they've sold out the West.
Hey Alex,
That wasn't the point. But I will tell you that I believe in the inherent morality and goodness of people. I think morality, rather than religion has had more to do with our evolution as a society. You would probably argue that your morality comes from your faith, but how can you explain mine? But that's probably another conversation.
Not really a religious man, but I always say to my friends who say Christianity is just as bad as Islam, "Yeah, call me when radical Christians start beheading infidels."
Anyway, we have an extra room with a futon ( pretty damn comfy) that Geert can stay in anytime.
More to the point, a quote attributed to Votaire but really a paraphrase, and well-known (but not quite well-enough, apparently)…
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Apparently, the British have forgotten what freedom of speech actually means. Let ALL sides be heard…only then can reasonable people settle differences.
Michael-
Excellent post on this vital issue.
One comment, though – I won't try to defend the great good done by people of Faith, if you don't try to defend the mass murders and unimaginable horrors wrought by the Atheist communist regimes of the Soviet Union, Red China, North Korea, the Khymer Rouge…
You see, left to our Darwinian selves, we are beasts.
You stay all 'Intellect', but, I'll put some 'Faith' in the Divine.
Peace, Love+Joy
"The Fairness Doctrine" Coming to a radio station near you. If they can tell you what "political view" you are allowed to hear then they can tell you what "political view" you can't hear. It has already started.
I've had the opinion for some time now that Britain is lost. It will in a very short time (a generation) have a Muslim majority and when that happens, they are finished. Oddly it seems the French may not go this route. When the Algerian Muslims rioted, there were calls to let loose the army on them. We all know how prideful and vociferous the French are about their culture (one of the things I truly admire them for). Can they possible teach us something about pride in a culture?
Apparently, it IS OK to advocate the murder of this gentleman, as is seene =on the sign that the dopey Muslim is holding up in the picture. Does anyone in the UK get the irony???? Why is that turd allowed to stay in the country and Geert cannot enter????
Europe is a weird place. They consider many things said as threatening, while ignoring the obvious threats that the Muslims bring with them when they immigrate If there is a less tolerant group than the Muslims, I have yet to read about them.
Great post and I know this is a bit off subject. Sorrry for that. Quick rebuttal: Morality is responsible for our great nation it's just that these morals are derived from the bible. I explain your morality as a product of your being raised in a society based on biblical morality. Same goes for your morality (which would be different) if you were raised by islamofacists.
All Brits would do best to leave Britain while they still can. Once a Leftist government begins making a big deal about keeping certain "dangerous people" from getting into the country, it's only a matter of time before they start dictating who gets out. That's when the deportations and the consciousness-raising sessions begin.
First the "Fairness Doctrine" and then…..
The current Liberal controlled congress seems to me to be less tolerant. No opposing points of view allowed under any circumstances. Granted, Muslim opposition is unarguably more violent, but give Obama and his gang enough time to figure out a plan to top even the most gruesome be headings of Al-Qaeda. Liberals currently excel at intimidation and imprisonment of opponents. Can a full house-cleaning pogrom be far behind?
Michael,
Thanks for the post. I had heard about the video, but this is the first time I have actually watched it.
The problem with your belief in the inherent morality of humankind is that not everyone holds to the same moral standards and there's no way to say whose morality is superior, yours or the muslim's or the pedophile's who lives down the street. How can you convince me that your "inherent morality" is the way we should all behave? That is spectacularly arrogant.
You understand when people say that religion does more harm than good? Have you ever really thought that one through? I could write reams on this, but I will try to keep it simple. Just understand that civility and enlightened society has all come as a result of religion. Without Christianity there would be no United States. Many of the laws we have and many of the things that we commonly understand to be right and wrong are only there as a result of religion. Go back to Roman and Greek societies and see the difference in what was acceptable and what wasn't, and even then the first Democracy in Athenian Greece was a religious society. Almost all of the charitable giving and the charitable services in the US are religious. In "progressive "societies without religion, freedom is severely limited and people are far worse off. Finally, the founders evisioned a limited government made possible only by a moral and religious people, without some religious grounding bigger government is required and freedoms are curbed because it is the State that must enforce behavior and civility and act in the stead of religious morality.
Found this aritcle about a school worker in the UK who is facing disciplinary action for asking fellow Christians to pray for her, her children and the school after her 5-year-old daughter was reprimanded for telling another child about Jesus.
Christian persecution
Yes. You said it better than i did.
Why is it so important to you that I be scared? I live in NYC (where any attacks on US are lilkely to occur) and Im not afraid. Being afraid's for pussies. Maybe Hollywood needs a lesson from NYC on how to be tough as opposed to just talking tough.
The fact that the Greeks and Romans were actually very religious people is something not many know anymore. Think about it: Leonidas didn't consult the Oracle like W would consult his cabinet. The King of Sparta (He was actually one of two, Sparta always had two kings) believed the Oracle was the direct link to the gods. Whatever her answer was it would be law. When you watch the series Rome and you see Vorenus or Pullo on bended knee praying to Janus the god of the past and future who was symbolized by double heads, they were not going through the motions. Religion has played a healthy role in creating the institutions we all hold dear, sometimes an unhealthy role but those who dwell on the unhealthy roles and refuse to see the good are most likely unhealthy people. The Church in the Dark ages protected learning and the ideas of western civilization while everything was falling apart. It kept society in the west without the power of Rome's legions together. Faith was the reason why many left Europe for the new World.
The problem with Islam is that it has never evolved. At all. It has never grown out of its 13 century cocoon. Hence the problems Euros refuse to acknowledge.
Kim,
That's what the arena of ideas is all about though… sorting out what makes the most sense. Plus, I don't see a better idea. Are you suggesting that a particular religion should stand as an example of "the way we should all behave?" I would fight that with my dying breath. I think that anyone who reads your note would have a clear idea that the "pedophile down the street" is wrong. I just don't need "god" to tell me that… I already know it. And so do you.
I can see, however, that I need to write a piece reconciling my atheism with conservatism/libertarianism. It seems that many people don't understand. Too bad it detracted from the overall point that "tolerance of intolerance is cowardice."
Unfortunately, threatening to kill people is how you get your way.
Thank you for writing about this latest horrific "development" – we should all be outraged and yelling at the top of our lungs about what is happening. But this story has barely registered here in the US. Make no mistake: we are next. Everyone should go to http://actforamerica.org today, sign up for email alerts, start paying attention, talking to your friends, doing something. This is a psychological war and we are losing it, like you said. No time to waste.
The point of the article is that we shouldn't be afraid. That we shouldn't cow to people who hate us or shut up viewpoints that challenge the fear the terrorists would have you feel.
What annoys me about reading all the articles about Geert is that the writer always has to label him right-wing something or other.
Islam isn't a right- or a left-wing problem — it's everyone's problem. Here's a guy who has the stones to express this issue.
Fight on, Geert.
Islamic supremacism is a militant political movement masquerading as a gutter religion. It must be stamped out – along with its enablers.
George W. Bush greatly changed the Middle East from a collection of Islamic theocracies and dictatorships into electoral democracies and nations that WANT to be electoral democracies, for which he gets no credit.
Hopefully, history will not be written by leftist revisionists.
Michael,
My point was simply that unless there is a God (one greater than us with superior wisdom, knowledge, power, etc.) who gives us standards, then there truly is no way to sort out what makes the most sense. Clearly not everyone thinks pedophilia is wrong. The pedophile may or may not agree that his or her desires and actions are wrong (indeed NAMBLA is a case in point that many do not believe it is wrong), so who are we to say that behavior is unacceptable? Why do you think it is wrong?
Also, muslims are clearly not going to participate in the "arena of ideas" because they want to dominate, not compromise and tolerate other ideas. So how can we sort out what makes the most sense? The most sense according to whom?
Honestly, I don't know any atheists (though I know many agnostics) and don't get the chance to dialog with them, so I am just trying to understand how you come to hold the moral standards you do. Thanks for responding to my post, and I would be very interested to read your thoughts about reconciling your atheism and conservatism/libertariansim!
If you haven';t done so already you should monitor Robert Spencer's site, Jihad Watch.
It's a great site
I'd strongly recommend it to our lefty trolls as well.
If I may…The reconciliation we need is not political it is atheistic reletivism reconciled to a reality that may just include a God who has moral standards. If you are right then you are right and we just need to sort out what makes sense. But if you're wrong then making up your own morals and meaning of life may not work out so well.
I know, I know we are off topic.
While Fitna is a very good video, the GREATEST video on the Internet is STILL 'The Real Islam Revealed'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9qRwv39YCk
Get ready to see in the coming years-thanks to this admin.-the same bending over backwards for Islam (no matter how radicalized or not) and the marginalizing and then intolerance for conservative/Christian views. Mark my words. Radical Islam has a friend in Obama and liberals. All under the guise of "diversity" and "tolerance".
Actually Kim, there is a source of true values, Reason. Morality and virtue are not "constructs that have no true analogue in the real world", "convenient social traditions", or "unrealistic idealisms", but are cold, hard metaphyical reality.
I would dare anyone who argues that 'value judgements' are subjective and not truly 'real' to perform the following expiriment with me: I eat 1/2 cup of granulated sugar, and he can eat 1/2 cup of Drano. I am sure that the Drano will not care whether he is being "non-judgemental" about it it, and in gratitude not harm him.
Values and morals in a reasoning (rational) being (mankind) are what guides our daily decisions and allow us to continue living and complete our self-fulfilment. Those who try to detach the need from values and judgement (morals) from their lives are trying to detach themselves from the requirement to think.
I'm always amused when those opposed to free speech drag out "you can't call fire in a crowded theatre" argument.
But what about when there IS a fire? Are you supposed to just sit there? Quietly leave, letting the rest of the patrons burn to crisps? The fact remains Muslims are fighting or killing Jews in Palestine/Israel, Hindus in India, Buddhists in Thailand, Animists in Africa, Secularists in Britain, Catholics in Spain, Secularists in America, Christians in Nigeria. The same can't be said of Christians, Jews or any other religion. I'm not reading about pagans beheading Muslims when they catch them. No Jew has ever sawed off a Muslim head on TV.
What boggles my mind is why, when a group of fanatics are gathered at a protest, burning embassies and the like, why the hell don't we drop a bomb in the middle of the mob?
Joe Weldon:
That video was incredible. The desperation in that man's voice really resonated with me — as it should with everyone. Thanks for that link.
Just goes to show you what Brits are really afraid of: real men! Please come to the U.S. Geert!
What morals from the bible are you talking about? The stoning, and worse, of men, women and children? Our great nation was not founded as a christian nation, or on biblical morality, thankfully.
I'm going to write about this next week. I think it's interesting, because a lot of conservatives obviously identify themselves as religious. And Alex, I don't "make up" my own morals. They are inherent or come from reason. I'll explore it and lay it out in a new piece and it'll be on-topic to rip me apart. Thanks for the input.
Thats because were all runnin scared…………….stand up as a nationalist and be branded a racist, coz you are aware we now live in a MULTI-cultural society, and god forbid…………sorry, omnipotent celestial being forbid any rocking of the good ship Britannia………………
Exactly. That's the wonderful thing about free speech is that ideas are open to debate. By definition, people disagree in a debate. And if the idea can't withstand close examination by <anyone>, it's obviously not worth believing.
Thomas Jefferson (the first American President to have to deal with radical Islam) put it this way:
"Subject opinion to coercion: whom will you make your inquisitors? Fallible men, governed by bad passions, by private as well as public reasons. And why subject it to coercion? To produce uniformity? But is uniformity of opinion desirable? No more than of face and stature." — from "Notes on Virginia" Q.XVII, 1782. ME 2:223
The American Bar Association agrees:
"It is the duty of the officials to prevent or suppress the threatened disorder with a firm hand instead of timidly yielding to threats…. Surely a speaker ought not to be suppressed because his opponents propose to use violence. It is they who should suffer from their lawlessness, not he."
John Adams wrote: "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
Now, lest someone say, "But he is advocating the suppression of the Muslim Religion! What about freedom of religion?!"
I say let him advocate away. That doesn't change the fact that, as John Quincy Adams put it: "Civil liberty can be established on no foundation of human reason which will not at the same time demonstrate the right of religious freedom."
In other words, the freedom of speech is based on the same right as the freedom of religion. To advocate the involuntary suppression of the Muslim (or any other) religion is to strip that more fundamental right (to freedom of <conscience>) away. So the man is contradicting himself in that area. However, he has a right to be wrong, as it were.
To the British people, and to Mr. Wilders, I quote John Adams again: "Be not intimidated…nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice."
Three cheers for the 1st Amendment! I'm glad to live in America, for she is still the freest country I know.
[...] Geert Wilders, Dutch filmmaker and elected official there, is being prosecuted for hate crimes against Islam in for making the film FITNA. Wilders is banned from entering Great Britain. the British government is cowing to threats from Muslims there will be great violence should Wilders be admitted, leading one columnist to say Wilders can crash at his place. [...]
I watched the film about a month ago and it scared the crap out me.
Here here dude……………………..The Britain of the 21st century is a very scarey place, no such thing as freedom of speech any more, Hyde park corner has faded into the mysts of time along with Gollywogs, Christmas time and civic pride/community
That may be the stated purpose of the post, but the real underlying purpose is to stoke fear. Just like the purpose of that guy's movie is simply to inflame a bunch of emotion. Let's allow the Europeans to handle their own affairs and lets make sure they leave us to handle ours.
There's a deep irony that the man who founded the cable network Bridges TV in order to "bridge the gap" between Muslims and the West was just arrested in Buffalo, NY, on suspicion of beheading his estranged wife. (Link: http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/578644.html)
Whether you agree or disagree he has the right to speak. Once that is gone we cease to be free.
This all blew up (bad choice of words) because a Muslim member of the British House Of Lords said if Wilders was allowed in, he would call on thousands of his fellow Muslims to take to the street and protest. So a British politician threatens violence to another and the police do nothing. While Wilders accepts an invitation from another British politician to visit and discuss his opinions, and he's undesirable.
It reminds me of the British TV channel (think it was Channel 4) which took hidden cameras into Muslim mosques, taped some of the most viciously intolerant and hate-filled Imans – in full flight – and all the police did was criticised the TV channel for showing the end result. Not socially responsible, according to authorities.
And what happened to the hate merchants of Islam? Nothing. Many of them are still in Britain, spouting the same excreta under the banner of their so-called "religion of peace".
America may not be perfect, but – as an outsider – I can only admire your right of free speech, even if it does bring out its share of nutters.
I'd extend that couch to Mark Steyn who is undergoing similar persecution in Canada. The muslims are going to eat Europe alive.
Salix,
Don't apologize about bringing up God. The modern UK is so weak because of rampant secularism in the culture. Thus, confused and clueless British citizens are easy pickings for jihadists who ARE confident in their beliefs and culture.
Thus, UK as well as Europe must reclaim its Christian roots to survive attacks by enemies like jihadists. Interestingly, this idea is strongly supported by Marcello Pera, an atheist philosopher who wrote the recent book, "Why We Must Call Ourselves Christian."
Learn more about this view here:
Audio: http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/BreakPoint/arc...
Print: http://www.crosswalk.com/books/11598029/
If the UK doesn't take heed of men like Pera, then it won't exist in a couple of generations tops.
Thank you for having the courage to write anything postive about Geert Wilders and
freedom of speech. You are one of the few.
So Lodo, how would you have responded if President Bush had kicked Michael Moore out of the country for making "Bowling for Columbine" and inciting fear in the masses over gun ownership?
Most films are made to "inflame emotion," other movies are made to suck.
Tee-
Thanks for the post. Good information.
And thanks for that last sentence. The "nutters" are usually harmless and sometimes enlightening, or at least entertaining.
Tee, you ain't an "outsider" – like America, you and me may not be "perfect", either – but we love Liberty so that makes us "brothers-in arms" in this newest phase of an ancient and continual battle between Darkness and Light.
"Welcome to fight, this time I know our side will win." – Paul Henreid to Humphrey Bogart in "Casablanca"
"The Price Of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance"
The movie "Fitna" was part of a graduate class I took at the Naval Postgraduate School. It prompted a great back-and-forth discussion, and credit goes to our self-professed Liberal hippy professor who agreed to air it.
Oh! And Wilders will always be welcome in my house.
Great post, Michael. While I've read about his case before, I still don't think there's been enough outrage about what's happening to Geert Wilders. Loved the line about how you can shout "fire" in a theater when there IS one.
As a fellow atheist of the conservative/libertarian persuasion, however, I'm looking forward even more to reading your next post on reconciling that. People on the left have done a good job of convincing themselves that all conservatives match the one-size-fits-all stereotype they've had drilled into their heads since infancy. Killing that notion has to happen before we can even hope to take back a little piece of the popular culture.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to that next post and the debate that will inevitably follow.
I started researching Islam on my own soon after 9/11. Know your enemy and all that … at any rate, I started with the usual PC stuff, and worked my way out through Hirsi Ali, Spencer, Darwish, and Gabriel. The more I learn; the scarier Islam becomes to me. Geert Wilder will always be welcome in my house. There is nothing worth believing in if you aren't also ready to fight and stand up for that belief, and I truly do believe that Islam as it is preached now is a looming threat to Western civilization. I think it could be redeemed, but only if the practitioners of the faith itself rebel against their own imams to remake the practice and philosophies behind it and that doesn't seem likely.
I read somewhere that Wilder is daring the Brits to arrest him. I don't know much about Wilder but I hope this goes to a trial and becomes a way for Britain to wake up and expose their increasingly anti-free speech and totalitarian state.
BTW – I am not a classically religious person at all either. I wouldn't say I'm an atheist but I'm not a Southern Religious stereotype the left says conservatives are. My parents live in the South and those people the left vilifies are wonderful, productive, brave and much smarter than the liberals I know. And as smart as anyone anywhere. Their practicality is something us coasters could learn from.
Remind me of what Mark Steyn had to go though up in Canada with the "thought police" – he won his case
The UK also bans Muslim clerics who preach religious hatred from entering Britain, so I'm not sure what your point is? The film was still shown, anyway, so it's sort of irrelevant whether Wilders was there or not.
The difference is that Muslim clerics that preach hatred are inciting the population to behave violently. Wilders is not inciting anyone to violence. He only made a movie that points out the violent nature of part of the population which, predictably, now threatens violence if he enters the nation. Do you see the irony?
The MSM are publicly servicing the, “Immaculate One, so often they’ll soon need knee pads. God bless Henrietta, but what’s with the son Corey is he retarded or something? In 2005 supposedly as reported by, a news organization in Ft. Myers, “Ms. Hughes had $47,000.00 or $147,000.00 from a real estate sale and presently receives $800.00 a month disability check, this is usually accompanied by Medicaid, Food Stamps, Housing Vouchers (Sec8)? The 47K to 147K is gone off coarse, but with the $800.00 a month, other govt. assistance, and Corey got a job perhaps they could build their lives. But, silly me I’m sure Corey is disabled somehow. It’s a proven fact that Conservatives donate more to charity than mouthy liberals example: “Mrs. Chene Thompson Republican.”
Wrong comment! BH should allow editing of post?
But while I'm here. Geert Wilders is a stud! We all need to paty attention to his brave words and example in courage! The new Churchill and it's 1933 again.
But Geert Wilders has stated that he hates Islam (the religion in general), and that he thinks that Mohammad is a terrorist. He also constantly talks about the supposed 'Islamification' of Europe, and supports banning religious headgear. I think that all of this could count as 'inciting religious hatred' which is what the UK government used to ban him from entering the UK. They did not say he was inciting violence, and there is a difference.
We've got the Fairness Doctrine waiting in the wings in our own country. It won't be long before it will be a crime to hurt the feelings of Liberals, Muslims, gays, addicts (enter your own protected class here). I venture a guess the ACLU will very silent as the right to free speech is trampled on by the Nanny State.
Based on news accounts, many followers of this so-called religion feel justified in slaughtering people from all walks of life, all faiths (even their own) if we dare to breach them in any way, including with our works. Yet, polite society feels it is NOT OK to point this out. If an author or artist is murdered on the street, well that is regrettable but you can't hurt anyone's feelings with your words or movie.
This must be very consoling to all of the victims families out there. Daniel Peal's father just wrote a very moving piece on this very subject.
Press on Geert. And to the PC folks out there. GROW A SET and stand up to these murderers hiding behind their "religion". We have no issue slamming the Mormons around but have to respect the Muslims. Give me a break!
Jim-
Yeah, "sort of irrelevant", if you think FREEDOM is irrelevant.
Many people do. Some in positions of great power.
Sucks to be Wilders, I guess – and us, next.
Apathetic, somnolent sheep led to the slaughter – not a pretty epitaph, Jim.
No offense , but you need to do a little more research. "Supposed" Islamification of Europe?
In Sweden pipe bombs are thrown at Pro Israeli demonstrators and the cops do nothing.
Honor killings and gang rapes are on the rise.
I could go on and on and on and post a bajillion links.
Supposed…..Oh my god.
I suppose I think there is a difference between the violence in Sweden (which I agree is terrible and they should have been arrested) and 'Islamification' which seems to imply that Muslims are actually some kind of evil army who are going to take over Europe, which I think is a ridiculous idea. I also think that Muslims suffer violence against them as well in Europe, due to Islamophobia: I remember reading about a woman who was stabbed by thugs because she was wearing Somalian/Muslim, so I don't think you can say it's just a one-way street. I don't think gang-rape is a crime solely committed by Muslims. I agree honour killings are a major problem which should be addressed far more seriously, but I don't think any of your points mean that Europe is becoming 'Islamified'.
The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, and no-one is being led to the slaughter.
They aren't separate from the law though. It even says in that article that they are working in tandem with the (secular) police force. It is also hardly a whole Shari'a court: it only covers civil cases (ie not murder etc), most of would be unlikely to be reported by Muslims if they thought they would be tried in a secular court. So I fail to see the problem there: the police are fully aware of what is going on and can further ttheir own investigations if need be. I have never seen any news about either of your other claims, and I fail to see the problem with the cemetaries: if it is important to Muslims that they are buried facing Mecca, whereas other religions are less fussy, and so don't care, I think building cemeteries which can accomodate this is being respectful rather than bowing to extremism.
The conclusion of Bowling for Columbine was that guns were NOT the problem — fear was.
*sigh* You won't see it will you?
Tell that to families of Daniel Pearl, the Polish engineer who's "slaughter" is the most recent, and all the others that have made 'Beheading Videos' a global phenomenon.
Jim, the Islamists won't give you a prize for being the "most tolerant", it just means you get to see your family slaughtered in front of your eyes if you don't "submit".
This is happening in Nigeria, Sudan, Kenya, Congo, Pakistan…
The word 'Islam' means 'Submission'.
Which part of that don't you believe?
Anyone with a fatwa welcome at my place too. I get along well with those who piss off the moon worshipers.
OK. We'll just agree to disagree.
I'm fine with you saying that the Islamists want to take over the world/slaughter people etc. But they don't represent the majority of Muslims, and I would say that the majority of Muslims would like freedom too. What does Islam meaning 'submission' prove? Muslims are supposed to hold their God in awe, as are pretty much all religions apart from possibly Ancient Greeks. I just don't like the way all the comments on this post seem to be writing off an entire religion as evil.
Jim-
I don't need you to be "fine" with what I say, and I have not written off anyone's religion.
Rather, you seem to need to knee-jerk against any perceived criticism, as if you are the "enlightened one" in this conversation, and we are all rabid and reactionary.
Jim, the non-terrrorist Muslims are silent.
When they stand up and address the madness in their midst, I will sit down.
Until then, please save me your virtue. I like all kinds of people, too.
But, I'm not a fool.
So you are aware that Britain has allowed a system of 5 Shari'a Law courts to operate in separate, but equal circumstances to their own secular law courts? No Islamification to see here. Move along. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/ar...
Additionally, new cemetaries have to be built with the dead facing towards Mecca in Britian. In other parts of Europe, non-Islamic women have resorted to having to wear head-scarves in order to feel safe when going outside.
But certainly no Islamification …
There are Muslim organisations such as the Muslim Council of Great Britain and the Sufi Muslim Council who have condemned extremism. I wasn't aware I was knee-jerking: you replied to my comment and so I replied to yours. I'm sorry if you feel I have. This conversation is going nowhere and I'm getting bored of looking at this page, so I think I'll end it here.
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its people like geert wilders that cause the muslims to be pissed at westerners….
muslims love westerners as long as the westerners treat them with respect.
u sow the seeds, u eat the fruits…
Funny how the media is not covering that story. Wonder why? Remember, Islam is a Religion of Peace.
Huh?
We are a bit crazy, but most of us mean no harm!
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