ZINN 101: A Radical’s History of the United States
by Mark TapsonTwelve years ago in his breakout performance as an arrogant young genius in Good Will Hunting, struggling fresh-faced actor Matt Damon sneered at his Boston psychiatrist for “surrounding yourself with all the wrong f__kin’ books. You wanna read a real history book, read Howard Zinn’s People’s History of the United States. That book’ll f__kin’ knock you on your ass.”
The political left loves shout-outs, and this was a direct one to Zinn himself, whom Damon actually lived next-door to as a child, and whose book apparently knocked the actor on his own behind. “Ben (co-screenwriter Affleck) and I were laughing our asses off writing that,” he recalls. (What is it with Damon and the word “ass”?) ”We liked it that the smartest guy in Boston was reading Howard Zinn.”

Self-proclaimed radical historian Howard Zinn, 87, is arguably the most popular proponent of the “history from below” school of historiography, which explores past events from the perspective of everyday people as opposed to the so-called “Great Men” theory, which actor Josh Brolin, another Zinn devotee, calls mere “propaganda.” The Boston University professor wasn’t the first academic to pioneer this approach, but he is no doubt the first to dispense with tedious scholarly ballast like footnotes and citations, and to have pop culture powerhouses like Damon, Brolin and Pearl Jam running interference for his openly politicized agenda. His 1980 book A People’s History of the United States, one of the best-selling history books of all time thanks partly to Damon’s shout-out, is a litany of oppression and exploitation on the part of America’s white ruling class, a “raggedly conceived Marxist caricature” of American history, as David Horowitz calls it in Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left.
Yet Zinn’s book is as ubiquitous in high school and university classrooms as sexual tension. His website proudly asserts that “no other radical historian has reached so many hearts and minds.” Well certainly, no other has darkened as many young hearts toward America and clouded as many young minds with utter disdain for facts and objectivity. Like his fellow academic cult figure Noam Chomsky and President Obama’s former associate and ghostwriter, unrepentant-terrorist-turned-radical-educator William Ayers, Zinn’s world view is powered by a relentless and hateful leftist fantasy: that the American government is and always has been racist, oppressive, warmongering, and ruthlessly exploitative, and that it must be subverted. And that subversion begins in classrooms all across America, which is why the left has worked so hard over the decades to imbed itself in America’s educational system.

Zinn encourages among students what journalists in the age of Obama have openly embraced: not even a pretense of objectivity or balance. “Objectivity is impossible,” he once claimed. Granted, historians have long accepted that no writer of history can be completely free of all cultural and personal bias. But whereas this self-awareness normally spurs historians to strive all the harder for objectivity and fidelity to facts, Zinn’s solution is to embrace bias and selectivity as positives, and use them as tools for the left’s Utopian pursuit of social justice: “If you have any kind of a social aim,” says Zinn, ”if you think history should serve society in some way; should serve the progress of the human race; should serve justice in some way, then it requires that you make your selection on the basis of what you think will advance causes of humanity.” (Emphasis added) In other words, it’s not enough for historians to piece together the clearest, most honest picture of the past to give us insight into our present and future; they are morally obligated to selectively shape the material in ways that they think will advance certain causes, even at the expense of truth. This is not historiography; this is, as Josh Brolin might say, propaganda.
Along with objectivity, Zinn jettisons some historical highlights that might actually give young Americans reason to feel proud of and more knowledgeable about their country. A Conservative History of the American Left’s author and Big Hollywood contributor Daniel J. Flynn notes some of the significant omissions in the People’s History:
Washington’s Farewell Address, Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, and Reagan’s speech at the Brandenburg Gate all fail to merit a mention. Nowhere do we learn that Americans were first in flight, first to fly across the Atlantic, and first to walk on the moon. Alexander Graham Bell, Jonas Salk, and the Wright Brothers are entirely absent. Valley Forge rates a single fleeting reference, while D-Day’s Normandy invasion, Gettysburg, and other important military battles are skipped over. In their place, we get several pages on the My Lai massacre and colorful descriptions of U.S. bombs falling on hotels, air-raid shelters, and markets during the Gulf War of the early 1990s.
Harvard historian Oscar Handlin not only exposed the book’s flaws long ago and shredded Zinn’s “deranged fairy tale”; he also expressed a keen insight: “Brendan Behan once observed that whoever hated America hated mankind, and hatred of humanity is the dominant tone of Zinn’s book.”

Zinn’s experience flying bombing missions in Europe during World War II had a profound effect on him and shaped his perspective of America as an imperialist evil. He went on to become a civil rights and anti-war activist, writing books such as Vietnam: The Logic of Withdrawal and You Can’t be Neutral on a Moving Train. On his website Zinn states, “I start from the supposition that the world is topsy-turvy, that things are all wrong, that the wrong people are in jail and the wrong people are out of jail, that the wrong people are in power and the wrong people are out of power.” This is the kind of nonsensical, anti-establishment rant one would expect from a seventh-grader, not from one of the most influential educators in the country. The KSM’s of the world should be freed from jail, and the Bush-Cheney-CIA axis of evil should be in jail? Yes, that would certainly set the world right. “What’s required,” he says, ”is a total turnaround. We want a country that uses its resources, its wealth, and its power to help people, not to hurt them.” (Emphasis added) Is America perfect? Is our history without stain? Far from it. But only the pathologically anti-American left can deny that this country has used its resources, wealth, and power largely for good, more than any nation in human history.
This perverse worldview lands Zinn on the wrong side of every issue he addresses: he expressed solidarity with vile academic fraud Ward Churchill, who dismissed the 3,000 victims of the 9/11 attacks as “little Eichmanns”; he placed the blame for those attacks squarely on the shoulders of American foreign policy, completely ignoring the underlying religious motivation; he endorsed the 9/11 truther movement; he offered support for former professor Sami al-Arian, who was jailed for his key role in the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, as “a victim of a cruel system, in which the rights of anyone who dissents from government policy are in danger”; he denounced “the so-called ‘war on terror’” as “an act of terrorism” itself (“This is not the behavior of a democracy but of a totalitarian state”); and he espoused the moral equivalence of suicide bombing (“The terrorism of the suicide bomber and the terrorism of aerial bombardment are indeed morally equivalent”) as well as the moral equivalence of the terrorists themselves (“the U.S. was reacting to the horrors perpetrated by the terrorists against innocent people in New York by killing other innocent people in Afghanistan”).

Next week Matt Damon, still fresh-faced but now a $10 million-a-movie anti-capitalist, will use his stardom and boyish smile to promote Zinn’s work again. On Sunday The History Channel will serve as a delivery system for Zinn’s subversive anti-American agenda: a documentary co-produced by Damon entitled “The People Speak,” based on A People’s History of the United States and Voices of a People’s History of the United States, which Zinn co-edited with anti-war-on-terror socialist Anthony Arnove. Other Hollywood stars like Brolin, Marisa Tomei, Morgan Freeman, Viggo Mortensen, Rosario Dawson, and Kerry Washington have enlisted to put a pleasing face on this stealth attack (and not only in front of the camera; behind the scenes, Oscar-winning screenwriter Paul Haggis is on the Voices Advisory Board) which will launch on multiple fronts, including a classroom study guide, a performance tour of college campuses around the country, and a soundtrack album. The song titles hint at the soundtrack’s (and the project’s) tone: “The Drums Of War,” “Only A Pawn In Their Game,” “American Terrorist,” “Dear Mr. President,” “Masters of War.” Take that, rapacious military-industrial complex!
Why does a mere History Channel presentation featuring attractive, well-meaning celebrities merit concern? What is at stake here? To return to David Horowitz: “The two Americas that matter in the War on Terror are not those of rich and poor… (They) are an America that embraces its heritage and purposes, and an America that has seceded from both.” The secessionists like Howard Zinn know full well the effectiveness of disseminating their corrosive ideas through education and Hollywood, which Liberal Fascism’s Jonah Goldberg labels “the most powerful propaganda agency in human history.” These arenas are key to indoctrinating America’s youth and eroding the patriotism that Zinn claims “has caused so much death and suffering.” What is at stake is America’s ability to stand strong and united against the Islamic threat and the challenge of rising new superpowers. What is at stake is our heritage and purpose, as Horowitz would say. What is at stake is the hearts and minds of our nation’s youth.
In that context, Good Will Hunting’s “smartest guy in Boston” is starting to look like little more than a useful idiot.






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Welp… I'm glad that Libraries still have books that counter this tripe…. I guess I better stock up on them myself, before the written history is distorted too much to the point that counter history books are banned… :-/
they can broadcast it but will anyone pay attention?…
The guess here is no. History Channel has it's share of cable hits- 'WWII in HD' was one- but this will strike most as dry to begin with, and one suspects a small audience.
So to what end, then? Obviously the special will live on as a 'teaching aide' and will be shown endlessly in classrooms, much like Algore's propaganda piece.
That makes sense. Watch for it at a classroom near you…
This is a great piece. I'm saving all the pieces that have been written about the Zinn/Hollywood extravaganza so I can use them as foundation for my arguments to keep this cr*p out of my kids' schools! Well done.
Let's see, a bubble brain and an ihabitant of a leftist bubble agree with each other – gee, who woulda thunk it?
I had the misfortune of being subjected to this book in my American History class during my freshman year of college. I commented to another student that it read like this: "In the 20th century, we fought a couple of World Wars. Details as to cause or events are sketchy but gays, blacks and women were oppressed". The professor chewed me out and gave me a zero in 'participation', but was forced to give me an A because I knew all of the answers to his test and feigned white guilt in my paper on Fredrick Douglass. What a waste of my time, money and brainpower!
I shudder to think what kind of sad halfwits get their nonfiction reading lists from Matt Damon and Josh Brolin.
But the more important point–that Zinn and his ilk have infected education–is frightening. The leftist mentality is that everything is wrong all the time. Bad, bad, bad, wrong, wrong, wrong. Everything you know is false, everything you believe in is shameful. That's not progress, it's instability. It's not about shaking things up, it's about breaking them. Leftism's biggest lie is that it's about making things better. But if you read actual history, it's clear that it's just a destructive force. It's a cancer. The question is, have we let it go too long?
I wonder if they fist one another? Maaaaaat Daaamon, …sheesh! His mom is going to be busy watching his crap.
Arm yourselves with the Edu-jargon.
Keep the phrase "Social Content Review" in mind.
Districts must certify that each pupil has been provided with adopted, standards-aligned basic instructional materials.
Get their copy of that certification for the Zinn Education project, if you find it in your schools.
You can submit a request for review of instructional materials with your school's administration and board.
Get a group of parents to sign on or submit ones themselves.
Here is California Dept. of Education's "Social Content Review":
http://www.cde.ca.gov/CI/cr/cf/lc.asp
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?sec...
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?sec...
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?sec...
Happy reading.
Arm yourselves with the Edu-jargon.
Keep the phrase "Social Content Review" in mind.
Districts must certify that each pupil has been provided with adopted, standards-aligned basic instructional materials.
Get their copy of that certification for the Zinn Education project, if you find it in your schools.
You can submit a request for review of instructional materials with your school's administration and board.
Get a group of parents to sign on or submit ones themselves.
Here is the California Dept. of Education's (CDE) "Social Content Review":
http://www.cde.ca.gov/CI/cr/cf/lc.asp
See also:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?sec...
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?sec...
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?sec...
Happy reading.
Indeed, with book burnings not being too far behind.
I've been doing that myself, more or less on political philosophy and the perils of socialism. Thomas Sowell knocks Zinn on his arse.
As a historian and a college professor, I can assure you that Zinn and his ilk have infected the historical profession at a level that boggles the mind. Thanks to the embrace of identity politics and the postmodern rejection of all notions of attempted objectivity, the historical profession has become an academic field that uses "history" as a weapon. All too many of my colleagues see themselves less as instructors than as evangelists sent to spread the gospel of how the USA is the worst nation in the history of the world that can only be redeemed by confessing our sins and accepting the prescribed punishment. When you embrace the notion that reality is nothing more than a construct designed by those in power through the use of language and ideology, all bets are off. As one who has been forced to read Zinn and his many copycats, it isn't difficult to see where modern leftists were indoctrinated. That includes our current ideologue-in-chief as well.
Welcome to college…
Man, I'm glad I didn't have to suffer that kind of professor…. even my African History since 1942 Professor wasn't like that… and he was from Kenya himself…. I was extremely lucky in my humanities classes… I had professors that taught their classes neutrally and you couldn't tell what their political stances where… this was true even for my Natural Resources class….. I can't imagine having Professors that were blantantly leftist…
After I bought the book "People's History" – yes in total ignorance of the "People's" part of it. I forced myself to finish it. I admit to subjecting myself to "So You Don't Know Anything About History" too. I try to keep an open mind about things, but I prefer to get my information from folks who are also trying to keep an open mind.
Someone suggested Patriot's History – I concur, much better. Read the others only after getting your facts straight to start with. I'm sorry for the poster who had to read this for college. That's tough.
The funny thing is you know the left would've never listened to Zinn if he were a Black man.
I wonder what Zinns perspective would have been if he had flown bombing missions for the Red Air Force. Want to guess? If the United States of America was the country that Zinn, Ayers , Chomsky and this clown Ward Churchill painted. They would have been taken to a secluded area and a well placed bullet would have been implanted into their American hating skulls and then hurriedly covered with quick lime. It seems to me these Enemies of America have done pretty well for themselves in the Home of the Brave and the Land of the Free. More's the pity .In my book these scumbags have lived too long.
someone- we're just not quite sure who- once said just don't read any Encyclopedias or history books printed after 1950…
And for older history, 1940 or before. Leftist revisionists have been 'at it' for decades. They believe that 'history' is defined by the winners as opposed to a balance of the facts. Therefore, since the US has been historically victorious in it's quests the history HAS to be flawed.
Of course facts- when presenting THEIR side- are a very maleable thing. It's The Narrative, you know. Just ask
Howard Zinn.
Or Joe Stalin…
Since Zinn feels that objectivity is impossible, and biases are encouraged when they are felt to "advance the causes of humanity", I feel much better rejecting his viewpoints out-of-hand, judging him a "crank" and a "Communist sympathizer", and all without ever having to pick up and read his stupid, Commie book.
"History from below" from the perspective of the everyday person instead of the "Great Man" theory? Now just how is that going to work with "The Won" , Lord Obama?? Will they still get their history from the everyday person who detects the BS from Obama and the likes of Algore or the "Great Men of Climate Change Hoax".
Uh, Matt, another thing—just because you wrote about some "smartest guy in Boston" doesn't make it so!
I went to a catholic university (actually the same one that the teacher who wrote "A Patriot's History of the United States" works at) and had a few blatantly right teachers in my day (though my major was in engineering so it didn't make much difference for the classes that mattered). One of them assigned a pro-Reagan biography by Dinesh D'Souza for A history of the United States from 1865-Post Cold War class. I was probably one of 25% of the people in that class who actually read the book and commented on it during class, pointing out its obvious omissions and bias and the teacher also gave me low marks for participation. I use to call it "Dr. D'Souza or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Ronald Reagan" (I actually have far less a problem with Reagan than I did D'Souza and the professor's bias). The teacher hated me by the end of the semester. My point is your not the only one subject to this bias and it is on both sides (and I also got high marks on all the tests).
“I start from the supposition that the world is topsy-turvy, that things are all wrong, that the wrong people are in jail and the wrong people are out of jail, that the wrong people are in power and the wrong people are out of power.”
Funny…your name, Mr. Zinn, was the first that came to mind after reading this sentence.
Damn, Not Viggo! I figured anyone who could play Aragorn so well would be at least a moderate…
ask barney frank for the inside po.op….scoop….whatever.
Mortenson has been a leftist activist for a long time, unfortunately. I still love his performance in LotR, but it's the sad truth. Not a brain in his head.
So little Matt D grew up living next door to this anti-American creep? Yeeesh, what kind of F'ed up Boston neighborhood was this?! Nevermind…same kind of F'ed up Chicago neighborhod where Obama & Ayers live I suppose.
"He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors." …..Thomas Jefferson
Bravo, Mark. My old Quaker high school has given Zinn a forum to address students. I called and complained. But Susan Sarandon's kids go there now, so I've lost that battle. This program sounds like the ultimate in hypocrisy.
It's just like environmentalism….they are creating their own religion. The irony is that they look down upon organized religion, yet that is exactly what they are re-creating. All the more confirmation for me that God does exist and intends for our worship. As they continue to search for the truth, they will also continue to create and recreate their own "truths".
I firmly espouse the idea that American History should be taught warts and all.
The problem with the American History according to Zinn and Chomsky is that it ONLY talks about the warts.
The Marxist British historian Eric Hobsbawn was once asked if the forty million (or so ) deaths directly caused by Soviet Communism would have been worth it if the U.S.S.R. had succeeded. (This was just after The Fall.) Hobsbawn immediately replied "Yes." I am sure that Zinn feels the same way. It's always ironic when some lefty tries to should down a conservative as an "idealogue" when they have crapmeisters like Zinn on their side.
Actually Howard Zinn should be congratulated. Socialism should not only be taught but practiced in the classroom. All the successful students’ grades striped and give to the failing students. No one in the class passes the course unless all pass. It won’t be long before the students realize how screwed up socialism really is.
what an outrage, I mean Quakers have been known for their extreme militarism……
"…the most popular proponent of the “history from below” school of historiography, which explores past events from the perspective of everyday people as opposed to the so-called “Great Men” theory…"
You mean everyday people like Sarah Palin? Like "tea-baggers?"
Matt Damon is an Ivy League little s___.
Yeah, but you went to a PRIVATE catholic school, and were subjected to bias. The leftist bias dominates all the public schools and probably to a far greater degree. You seem to imply that because it happened to you, both sides of the political divide are equally as guilty.
I agree. I read Zinn's History many years ago, and I remember enjoying the "gotcha!" feeling you get from a view-from-the-bottom history, but after a while that feeling was overtaken by disappointment that he was just shooting spit balls from the back of the class.
I agree.
dcase, that is exactly the agenda, to turn this into a nationwide educational experience. The History Channel is probably the least significant part of the plan.
The Zinn/Damon/Bourne Identity!
Now there's a script idea … father/son ego a deux … set in Paris … or better yet the PROVINCES of France … a road film … and they convert to Islam!
It's a comedy about which one of them must cover his face.
GB,
MGM
That's a great story, Aaron…
Disappointing, isn't is, DefCon1?
Sad is right… Guess I have another name to add to my "Do Not Watch… Do Not Buy… Do Not Support" list… It is doubly irritating he is in (proverbial) bed with Zinn and MAAAAAAATTT DAYYYYMON….
Totally…
not sure what that brings to the debate other than DNC talking points, but either way history has been skewed for some time- and it is the Left that is obsessed with The Narrative no matter the cost. It is they that postulate the notion that there are 'right wing' historians that need to be countered by 'left wing' revisionists.
What about the objective truth?
He's Canadian. What do you expect?
Had the Fascists won, or the Communists, this would be the interpretation of America the quislings would be teaching our children to indoctrinate them into the American National Socialist Party or the Soviet Socialist Party of America. Chomsky is fraud, too. I always thought it strange Will Hunting made no mention of Professor Noam’s support for the Khmer Rouge while they were murdering thousands of people. Unforgivable. How is either Chomsky or Zinn still part of our intellectual landscape? Chomsky, I’m sure, will be remembered for his work in linguistics, much like Heidegger is remembered, though rarely mentioned, despite and because of his Nazism. Zinn, however, is just a crackpot. My favorite Chomsky-ism is ‘Libertarian Socialism’. That I’m guessing is the political ideology of freezer-burned, jumbo shrimp. My second favorite is his prescription for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: ‘Bi-National Socialism’. Hilarious!
Aragorn and Gandalf. I turn a blind eye.
it is the only thing that makes sense. Why the big launch for a cable show that won't even register in the ratings?
Yes, this will be for the older kids what 'Mmmmm mmmm mmmm- Barack Hussein Obama' was to the tots…
communists have never had problem with genocide…
As long as They triumph. It's the niggling little problem about secular humanism- the lack of value of human life.
Particularly if The Grand Idea is threatened. Then any death is more than acceptable…
I knew about Sir Ian… It appears LOTR was a total Lib fest… Tolkein would not be amused…
Yes, there was no nuanced, Post Modern, moral relativism with the Tolkien. There was no consideration as to why Orcs hated the race of man, nor what men could do to help the Orcs feel less oppressed. There was good and evil and the necessity of the triumph of the former over the latter.
It least you weren't fooled. It's more than some young people can say.
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And I am sure Professor Tolkein would have been hopping mad at the lack of the "Cleansing of the Shire…" in Return of the King… He had made it known that Saruman survived and multiplied, on many many occasions.
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Like that poop they pulled near the end of Battlestar Galactica. "It's our fault they hate us, waah, waah, wah"
It's interesting to read such broad criticisms of Zinn, yet curious to see a lack of actual refutations of anything he's actually written. He's an unapologetic liberal/radical, but that doesn't mean that he's wrong. Unlike the right-wing "authors" like Limbaugh and Coulter who provoke debunking books to be written that are actually longer than the original books themselves, Zinn cannot be accused of questionable reserach protocol when it comes to fact-checking. Disagree with him, sure, but don't disrespect. He's a WWII veteran who served his country proudly. That's more than can be said for Limbaugh or Beck.
Reading Thomas Sowell, Richard Pipes, Eric Voegelin, or a dozen others like them would make Matt Damon burst into tears. I'm going to drift off to sleep tonight with that thought in my head.
May I suggest we all notify the History Channel, Josh Brolin and Matt Damon that we are all committed to boycott their future offerings. If the history Channel shows this crap I will deem it irresponsible and will cancel my subscription to their service. Is it not time to stand up to these treasonous bastards? These guys are only a symptom of the disease. The malignant core can be located in the administration of nObama and the wieners in congress who have totally abrogated their responsibility to the rest of us: Remeber, someone much smarter than I said, "The tree of Liberty must at times be watered by the blood of patriots". This administration is doing its level best to overwhelm the ability of our structure of government to respond while bankrupting it financially. When political actions don't make sense to the common constituent, follow the money or follow the agenda. How clear can it be that global climate change is, and always has been a gigantic fraud. Stand in front of your love one and breathe in as they exhale. Does that have any negative effect on you? That's Carbon Dioxide! it's what trees and plants live on! Come on, stand up to these lunatics. Climate change, federal reserve, green economy, health care reform, it's all about separating you from your freedom and birthright as an American. 'Social justice' is code speak for Marxism. In the last (20th) century upwards of 1 billion living souls were sacrificed on the alter of Marxism in its verious incarnations. Are we going to sit by quietly while our neighbors and family members are railroaded (literally) to the ovens and the 'showers'? People in Germany did in the 1930's under Hitler. Will we stand and watch as our friends are lined up in front of a ditch (they were forced to dig by hand) and machine gunned to death? People did in the early 1900's in the Soviet Union under Stalin, Cambodia and china under pol Pot and Mao Se Tung in the 1970's. Will you and I stand together, side by side as it happens to us? The time is short when the choice will be forced on you. Better make up your mind soon
I am a firm believer in the difference between technical intelligence (which I have a lot of) and conceptual intelligence (which I would like to think I have some of), which is the ability to think deeper than a collection of facts and statistics to the themes of human existence. Neither Matt Damon nor his character (nor most other people in present-day Boston, for that matter) have much of the latter.
My children were exposed to this rubbish in high school, but thankfully they were proud of our family's service in the protection of our country and our neverending fight against all things communistic and fascistic. The Left's arguments are easy to disprove, because of course, we have done far more good than evil in this world. Our advance of technology throughout the world and our amounts of foreign aid to those less fortunate just cannot be cavalierely dismissed by those with an obvious agenda. That said, there are still too many students who have inculcated this indoctrination; some of them do wake up when they have to earn a living.
Didn't you catch Zinn's remarks? There is no such thing as the objective truth, unless it's that white males are inherently evil. And you thought there was some Narrative…
By the way, do you think Titov's his real name? Or is it a misspelling of Tito?
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who knows? but his post was really weak…
You just can't get a good lefty response nowadays…
Author of this blog: "(What is it with Damon and the word “ass”?"
While you are at it, please let us know why Gle n B ck & R sh Lim baugh are so obsessed with man-on-man rape?
Just like global warming "science" the left only needs the public record that it exists somewhere to base it's agenda on, truth be damned.
Alright, this is something that people don't do anything about because they really don't think it's a big deal, or because they feel too separated from it. That's got to stop. We need to let people know (in this case, the History Channel) that we DO NOT admire such productions, we DON'T think the author and his collaborators are icons of intellect, and WE WILL actually speak out. People like Zinn, Damon, et. all get away with this kind of nonsense because they're used to hearing the applause of the choir. Write the HC a note at their website and let 'em know if you don't feel like singing the same tune. Sooner or later, they might get the message.
And dang it, I really liked the Bourne movies . . .
Cgntv: While I'm at what? My comment was only a bemused throwaway line about Damon using the word "ass" twice in 2 quotes. As for Beck and Limbaugh being obsessed with man-on-man rape – are they? I don't listen to either.
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Thank you Mark!
I don't listen to either myself. But I did notice this article on a liberal news source a little while ago.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/21/limb...
b.t.w. Your article about Zinn is much more thoughtful than this one – Bravo!
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/1...
>"He's an unapologetic liberal/radical, but that doesn't mean that he's wrong."<
Thanks for that ridiculous statement. It's hilarious!
Oh, and your "chickenhawk" fallacy is self-defeating.
If you didn't see combat (I bet you didn't), then by your own standard, you become self-disqualified from commenting on matters of war and peace.
Thanks, Cgntv, I appreciate it…
And of course, not one actual refutation. You know everything he says must be wrong because he's an evil liberal, but you can't point to one single mistake or lie. It's just "hilarious" that anyone could ever disagree with your blanket statement.
Deep thinking around here…
Here's another experiment, almost as neato as your carbon dioxide test. Go to the faucet and fill a glass with water. Drink the water. Are you dead? No! Clearly water can't be bad for you. So if you fall off a boat in the middle of a lake, there's no way anything bad can happen if you sink under the surface and inhale deeply — because it's just water!
Great idea!
I will write the History Channel today to applaud their inclusion of Zinn's work.
By the way, who else here is tired of these two false options: "America is perfect" vs. "America is bad"?
My most hilarious "blanket statement" in this entire 'Howard Zinn the Duck' expose is Zinn's own irrefutably ridiculous conundrum: 'There's no such thing as pure fact'.
Truly LOL funny!
Cgntv, you should take that up with Zinn and his ilk. They're the ones pushing the "America is bad" option, while I haven't noticed anyone here claiming America is perfect – I even said in my piece that our history is definitely not without stain. The point is that those like Zinn don't acknowledge that America has ever done anything good, and conservatives are sick and tired of hearing that lie.
excellent point. Like the plethora of bad Iraq war films, they feel they are writing the history of the New Age or whatever they call it. Historical revisionism is extremely important to the left who feel they cannot control the dialectic (an absolute must for them) as long as contrary evidence exists. When you drink deeply of the Kool Aid it is all you can drink…
I can understand your point, but, Zinn is coming from a perspective which is: "Generally, all we ever hear about is how great America is."
Maybe Zinn needs to put a disclaimer at the beginning of his rants like, "Okay, so American gave us this and this and this, but now here's what I gotta tell you about…."
But somehow I don't think there's much of a point to do that, and I don't think it would calm you guys down that much anyway. The sentiment I detect from the right is: "American Exceptionalism: If you say anything bad about America then we hate you".
Thank you. I'm not much of Zinn expert frankly, but you definitely described the impression I have been getting around here lately. All negativity with no exposition.
It doesn't speak well for the conservative side here. Is this a place for discussion, or dictation?
look how these guys try to discredit you- oh his name sounds like Tito. Oh those are DNC talking points.
Never mind the substance of Titov's point! God forbid you respond with substance yourself.
you guys like to bandy around the term "secular humanism". I consider myself secular. I celebrate Christmas as a point of cultural and family tradition, but that's about it.
but, methinks my critics here might label me with the term. So what is it?
I've been doing the same thing here, in Canada, ever since our "great" Human Right's Commission sued Mark Steyn over his book. Basically collecting books of different categories: History, Philosophy, Politics, Autobiographical accounts of people who lived under totalitarian regimes like Communism, Socialism and Islamism, also finding interesting articles and essays on the net and printing them out before they disappear.
My advice to students who have read Zinn is to read conservative Paul Johnson's "A History of the American People," and think about which events Zinn mentions versus which events Johnson mentions, and how Zinn portrays them vs. how Johnson portrays them. Getting students to think about the different ways people are going to try and explain the same world to them is a more valuable lesson in life than simply saying "that guy's wrong and this guy's right."
Excellent!
Okay, I'll bite. Zinn's book is fitled with inaccuracies, omissions and lies. Since you decided to not click on the links provided in the article that support this statement, I'll help you out with a few examples.
– Zinn claims that "George Washington was the richest man in America." No, he was not. Robert Morris and Moses Brown (of Brown University) were wealthier than Washington.
- Zinn claims that it was the greed of the white settlers that led to the Pequot War. He says they simply "wanted their land." Zinn deliberately omits any mention of the violent history of the Pequots and their unprovoked attacks on the whites and neighboring Indian tribes. He tells his readers about how the settlers burned the Pequot fort, killing the Pequots, but neglects to mention that the Pequots had attacked the settlers and murdered families, burned them alive and cut their victim's bodies in two (lengthwise). (CON'T)
Okay, I'll bite. Zinn's book is fitled with inaccuracies, omissions and lies. Since you decided to not click on the links provided in the article that support this statement, I'll help you out with a few examples.
– Zinn claims that "George Washington was the richest man in America." No, he was not. Robert Morris and Moses Brown (of Brown University) were wealthier than Washington.
- Zinn claims that it was the greed of the white settlers that led to the Pequot War. He says they simply "wanted their land." Zinn deliberately omits any mention of the violent history of the Pequots and their unprovoked attacks on the whites and neighboring Indian tribes. He tells his readers about how the settlers burned the Pequot fort, killing the Pequots, but neglects to mention that the Pequots had attacked the settlers and murdered families, burned them alive and cut their victim's bodies in two (lengthwise). (CON'T)
(CON'T)He also doesn't mention that white settlers made up less than 15% of the 500 men who attacked the Pequot fort. Indians from other tribes made up the majority, and it was Indians who executed the leader of the Pequots once the fort had fallen. But Zinn mentions none of this, because it doesn't fit into his "White European Oppressor" narrative.
Zinn's calls Maoist China “the closest thing, in the long history of that ancient country, to a people’s government, independent of outside control." Nevermind that Mao was responsible for the deaths of an estimated 40-70 million Chinese and his "Great Leap Forward" caused one of the greatest famines in human history. So much for a "people's government."
(CON'T) Zinn purposefully omits facts and distorts the truth in order to paint America as a nation of victims and oppressors. He does this in order to push his own agenda, and has admitted his own work is biased. His I've said before that it's fine if people want to read Zinn's book on their own, but it should not be used in schools as part of an education project or as a history text because it is nothing more than propaganda.
I disagree, respectfully. I certainly don't get the feeling that people on the right "hate" people who say anything bad about America.
By no means do we have an unblemished history. Every single one of my conservative (and libertarian) friends agrees. However, what I continually hear from the left is that there is no such thing as American Exceptionalism. Even our own president isn't willing to admit that there is. Whereas I believe most on the right will readily concede that America is not "perfect" and that our history is, as Mr. Tapson says, "stained," I rarely if ever hear anyone on the left talk about the good side of America. What I hear from the left is that we are imperialistic oppressors who abuse minorities and the poor and that our system is corrupt and only favors the wealthy while robbing the "workers" of their fair share. Not only do they see America as not perfect, but they see it as an unjust and mean nation that has never offered anything good to anyone, that we deserve to be hated and even killed by our enemies. And I think Zinn is one of those people.
I disagree, respectfully. I certainly don't get the feeling that people on the right "hate" people who say anything bad about America.
By no means do we have an unblemished history. Every single one of my conservative (and libertarian) friends agrees. However, what I continually hear from the left is that there is no such thing as American Exceptionalism. Even our own president isn't willing to admit that there is. Whereas I believe most on the right will readily concede that America is not "perfect" and that our history is, as Mr. Tapson says, stained, I rarely if ever hear anyone on the left talk about the good side of America. What I hear from the left is that we are imperialistic oppressors who abuse minorities and the poor and that our system is corrupt and only favors the wealthy while robbing the "workers" of their fair share. Not only do they see America as not perfect, but they see it as an unjust and mean nation that has never offered anything good to anyone, that we deserve to be hated and even killed by our enemies. And I think Zinn is one of those people.
That's so weird. I was contemplating the exact same thing yesterday. Coincidence?
Uverse has parts of this as on demand video short clips
Or as a D&D player would put it: Intelligence score 18, Wisdom score 3.
Liberals and their allies hate God, and any type of deceny. Yet they would happily push disgusting crap like this into the school. Sometimes I wonder if we should just bring the military home and fight these libs instead of the terrorists.
"In that context, Good Will Hunting’s “smartest guy in Boston” is starting to look like little more than a useful idiot."
Starting to? He's been at us idiotic usefullness for some time now.
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