Prisoners, Body Snatchers and ClimateGate
by Michael S. Rulle Jr.Spoilers Coming….
AMC’s The Prisoner was awful. The headache inducing flashbacks, incomprehensible sudden and rapid scene changes, incessant and interminable runs through the desert to find the sea, the ever present morose gay son, “11-12,” of “2,” and the lack of any plot tension made the show almost unwatchable. But watch it I did, because I wanted to know both 2’s reasons and the technology that helped create “the Village.” The answer was preposterous. I should have read a “spoiler” review instead.

I never watched the original 1960’s television show, so had no particular expectations. The Prisoner is about a technology company, “Summaker,” which identifies people it presumes need help. It kidnaps them and places them in an induced hallucinogenic state. The hallucination is the “Village,” which looks like a human-sized toy town. The kidnapped live out their lives in a dreary hallucinogenic sameness with identical small pink houses, ambition free jobs, and some sense that all is ok. Villagers are unaware, mostly, they live in a hallucination, although many have odd “dreams” about their past. Dreamers are hunted down and sent down bottomless holes that appear in the ground. We are led to believe they are gone and dead. (Do they go back to the real world?).
All people have a number rather than a name. “2,” Ian McKellen, is the leader of the Village. He plays his character as a postmodern, ironic, fear inducing, ruthless dictator and lives in a mansion in the Village. “Six,” James Caviezel, is the “Prisoner” who intuits the illusion and seeks to escape and destroy “2.”
By the end of the mini-series, we learn “2’s” wife, who is in a trance/coma throughout the series, invented/discovered the Village in her mind. She is able to project this vision onto others. We are not told why a person from the real world is chosen to live in the Village. One character was a schizophrenic in real life, but it’s unclear all Villagers had such torments. No person is given a choice to go to the Village. “2” apparently realizes his own ruthless personality is less than ideal for this job as head Village honcho. The plot line results in “2” recruiting “6,” who has great empathy, to take over the Village.
Viewers have to suffer through various monologues by McKellen, each designed to teach us how tenuous and “relative” reality is. Yet he and his supposedly “mystical” wife apparently know what’s best for all. We never really learn how the hallucination is physically created in the minds of Villagers. “6” is seen taking his seat in a Director’s chair in front of computer banks by the end of the tedious six hour mini-series.
The Prisoner did strike me as an unintended satire of the totalitarian vision that is the Left’s view of the world. Elites know best and can force you to obey; just follow them and all will be great; reality and truth are mere conventions or fictions; and so on. The Prisoner takes totalitarianism to a high level, as there is utter lack of freedom. Even the fundamental facts about physical reality are subject to manipulation for the Villagers’ good. This is similar to the worldview of the East Anglia climate scientists and the Obama EPA’s Lisa Jackson. Who needs data? Just believe.

I prefer my unintended satires of the totalitarian Left more thrillingly and crisply delivered. Coincidentally, within a few days of seeing The Prisoner, I saw on TMC the original 1956 version of The Invasion of the Body Snatchers. There are similarities between The Prisoner and Body Snatchers. In Body Snatchers, a small town is invaded by human sized “corn on the cob” looking “pods” from outer space. Each pod is designed for a particular citizen. A replacement being is born from each pod. When the real person falls asleep, the pod person takes over their memory. (I never could figure out where their bodies go; I guess they merge.). They become similar to people in the Village; they are dull, emotionless, pain free, and have some general sense of well being. They are all “one.”
Rather than creating a new mental “Village,” the Body Snatchers just capture the memory of every person in the small California town. The protagonist, Dr. Miles Bennell (Kevin McCarthy), gradually discovers the pod attack as reports mount of people claiming family members have “changed.” Like “6,” he tries to escape and is constantly thwarted by pod-people (rather than “2”). The movie is a flashback of a story he tells to doctors in a neighboring town who listen at first with great skepticism. The movie ends with Bennell racing out of town warning people in cars on the freeway to stay away. It is short, fast paced and has little wasted scenes.
Viewers identify with Bennell. The horror he witnesses is bad enough. But he also knows the story is absurd sounding and recognizes how impossible it is for others to believe it. Unlike “6,” Bennell knows what is happening from the beginning and explicitly rejects the pods relativist ideology, which “6” accepts. He quaintly believes in individual freedom and truth.
The Prisoner, on the other hand, is the perfect modern movie. All reality is relative and elites know better than you. Who cares if East Anglia scientists lost all the raw climate data 20 years ago? Forget those dreams of “truth” and listen instead to the likes of Lisa Jackson.
CO2 is a pollutant. Just believe. You’ll feel much better.






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I loved the original series, both because it was very clever and because the protagonist drove the World's Greatest Car, the Lotus Super Seven. I have coveted that set of wheels for 40 years. In fact, I believe that I would cheerfully move to a high-tech dictatorship if, as a trade-off, I got that car.
Heck, we're probably headed for a dictatorship anyway, so I might as well get the wheels.
Pod people would certainly be a good analogy of liberals.
Wasn't the whole point of the original that 6 rejected the collectivism and fought against it to the very end? The ending of the AMC version totally subverts the original storyline. I feel sorry for the fans of the original who thought they were getting something worth watching.
Blogger Frank J (IMAO) had a quip about the show ……. something about Jesus vs Magneto ……… I might have had to watch that. The few minutes I caught of this was indeed dreadful visually and seemed very boring.
Funnily enough, I've enjoyed every Body Snatchers remake I've seen (and even liked the Puppetmasters), but they try and remake one great TV show, and mess it up royally.
Who remembers this from the original: "You have just drunk poison"?
Lemme' guess, that's right after they voted for LBJ?
I never watched the original 1960’s television show, so had no particular expectations. The Prisoner is about a technology company, “Summaker,” which identifies people it presumes need help. It kidnaps them and places them in an induced hallucinogenic state. The hallucination is the “Village,” which looks like a human-sized toy town. The kidnapped live out their lives in a dreary hallucinogenic sameness with identical small pink houses, ambition free jobs, and some sense that all is ok. Villagers are unaware, mostly, they live in a hallucination, although many have odd “dreams” about their past. Dreamers are hunted down and sent down bottomless holes that appear in the ground. We are led to believe they are gone and dead. (Do they go back to the real world?).
Mike, for what it's worth, that's not even f_cking close to what the original series was like. The original's out on DVD and BD, and I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it but would like something to wash the taste of the remake out of his mouth.
For a B-movie… that original Body Snatchers film is great! Great use of the sci-fi / horror blend, and the paranoia / fear grows nicely as the movie moves along.
Friends watched "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" and John Carpenter's "The Thing" a couple of years ago at a friends house… great double-feature. Great themes in both.
I'm a fan of the original series "The Prisoner", and found the new version lacking… something. My wife, who isn't as big a fan of the original as I am, simply cannot buy how Six accepts his role at the end of the new series… and I can't fault her for that. The new series is fun in parts, McKellen is a fun actor to watch, but the new series on one hand starts and moves too quickly, and on the other hand takes too long to develop itself.
Nice supporting cast.
I'm going to need to watch it again, but Patrick McGoohan (rest in piece) need not worry about the new series eclipsing his (warts and all) original series.
One of the repeated lines from the original series, "Questions are a burden to others and answers a prison for one's self," seems rather fitting for today's environmentalist wackjobs.
You
Have
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What a way to enjoy a pint of ale.
"The Girl Who Was Death"… early on in the episode. Very atypical for The Prisoner, but very fun, silly, and enjoyable… especially the escape from the rocket. Loved the "potato masher" grenades!
I originally thought that they flipped the Prisoner on its head and made it an argument for socialism and it's totalitarian brother Communism, you know, there are some people in this world who can't help themselves so they must turn their life over to the people who know what's best for them, and that's not such a bad thing, right?
Then I reconsidered. 6 takes over for 2 and it looks like its point has been made, that socialism is a good thing. Then, you see 2 and his wife in the real world, in freedom, and they are dancing and truly happy. Then you see 6 sitting with Sarah (can't remember her number) in the Village and 6 is optimistic, saying, "Yeah, I think this can work. I think I can be the one to do this right." Then you see Sarah in a near catatonic state and she's crying. It seemed to me like an admission that many people think they can make socialism work and they can do it the "right way," but Sarah seems to know, if only subconsciously, that it can't work and that it will never work.
So in that sense, I think it makes a stronger argument against socialism and collectivism, but it's definitely not overt.
Jesus vs. Magneto
Magneto would have yanked the nails out, and Jesus would have slid off the cross, but then Jesus would have forgiven him.
I'd never heard of "The Prisoner" before the passing of Patrick McGoohan, and it sounds like something I'll have to become aquainted with. Haven't seen the new version. I liked both adaptations of "The Thing."
Lord Monckton on Climategate: Whistle Blower, Not A "Hacker"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb_7X_5acic
Lord Monckton on Climategate: Whistle Blower, Not A "Hacker"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb_7X_5acic
The original Invasion of the Body Snatchers was an allegory for McCarthyism. I was a dumb kid when it came out, so I just enjoyed the movie. It's still kinda fun, in a hokey sort of way. The remake with Donald Sutherland replaced the McCarthy theme and made the pod people into yuppies, appropriately enough. And that took place right here in San Francisco, the heart of conspicuous consumption yuppyism. There was even an "insider" quickie scene with original star Kevin McCarthy running about crazily trying to warn the citizens of the danger.
If we did a version today, the pod critters could be the deaf, dumb and blind followers of The One. No mind or will of their own, just the need to feel safe and comfortable and ignore how they got that way.
If you really are a fan of the original, then why don't you know that 6 wasn't allowed to have his fabulous car in The Village?
Don't bother with the "new" version of THE PRISONER; it was dreadful.
AMC used to and may still have all of the old/original version of The Prisoner on its site. Watch that one….it's well worth your time.
No, it was NOT an anti-McCarthy movie and neither is the book on which it was based. Rather, it was how insidious Communism is and how it can take over people's minds who should know better. Hence the brain dead LIBERALS become "POD PEOPLE".
None of the remakes are worth a damn, though the first one, with Jeff Goldbloom is the best of the seemingly uneding remakes.
Exactly so!
Correct on all accounts !
1redcent: What's got your panties in a bunch? I think your reaction was a little over the top for a distinction without a difference. So excuse me all to hell, it was just anticommunist (as was McCarthy, if I remember correctly). And of course, the Jeff Goldbloom version is the same version that I referred to as the Donald Sutherland version. Kindly excuse me for having made such a terrible mistake. Please?
Thanks, I already looked on Hulu, to no avail.
To be honest any reference that this movie made to McCarthyism, or anti-communism went over my head. To me a lot of those B movie horror flicks seemed a comment on the then new Atomic age i.e. giant ants or tarantulas to name two that come to mind. Boy I sure miss going to the Drive-In.
Agree on 0beyme, and his followers to be blind, deaf and dumb. I wonder if Hollywood, many of whom succumb to it, would even make such a film, or better yet recognize the irony in play.
spinalcracker: As the old saying goes, "ya had to be there." Sadly, I was. Regardless of the author's possible intentions, there was a widespread view that the movie was anti-MCarthy, while there was also a large contingent who thought it was intended to be anticommunist. I came from a conservative suburb of Los Angeles so they thought it was anti-McCarthy. Where I live today, it was probably the opposite. But even in the late 50s and early 60s, the opinions of the "true" message were all over the place, including the producers, the script writers, the actors, and just about anybody else who was involved with the original novel, the serialization, and subsequent movie production. There was a strong belief on the part of others that it was just science fiction and that everybody at the time was reading too much into it. Even the author waffled. So your view of the movie makes perfect sense (giant spiders=giant ants=pod creatures). But what do I know?
TheOther: I guess he told you. Why didn't you know that? How could you be so ignorant? Although I missed the part where you said he had the car in the village.
Should I also point out that it's Jeff Goldblum?
Lawhawk, I went to high school in southeastern CT, where the US subs are, during those four fun filled yet incompetent Carter years. And sophomore year we were compelled to read "The Crucible." I don't know how familiar you are to this play, but the teacher really expounded on the comparisons between the Salem witch trials and McCarthyism, which the play purports. I had a lot of trouble plowing through it, thank God for the Monarch/Cliff notes I forget which of those I used. It helped me get a passing grade on the test.
Which suburb of LA were you from? My dad was in the Navy, and I always was hoping we'd get stationed in San Diego. Growing up many of us dreamed about how great it would be to move to CA. That's what listening to the Beach Boys will do to you.
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers," is generally not the type of movie I like, however, at the behest and insistance of a good friend, I caught it on TCM a couple of years ago. Much to my delight I enjoyed it, and would definitely watch again.
A great man and a great time to have him.
It's great news that he's put the hacker-stolen argument to rest, too. It's obvious what FOIA.zip has to mean, but of course the 'reporters' don't have time to read the analysis that demonstrates it.
It's sure getting obvious who drank the kool-aide!! They might as well have white eyes and no knee joints.
For a B-movie… that original Body Snatchers film is great! Great use of the sci-fi / horror blend, and the paranoia / fear grows nicely as the movie moves along.
Friends watched "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" and John Carpenter's "The Thing" a couple of years ago at a friends house… great double-feature. Great themes in both.
I'm a fan of the original series "The Prisoner", and found the new version lacking… something. My wife, who isn't as big a fan of the original as I am, simply cannot buy how Six accepts his role at the end of the new series… and I can't fault her for that. The new series is fun in parts, McKellen is a fun actor to watch, but the new series on one hand starts and moves too quickly, and on the other hand takes too long to develop itself.
Nice supporting cast.
I'm going to need to watch it again, but Patrick McGoohan (rest in piece) need not worry about the new series eclipsing his (warts and all) original series.
One of the repeated lines from the original series, "Questions are a burden to others and answers a prison for one's self," seems rather fitting for today's environmentalist wackjobs.
I thought the original was about a secret agent who decided to quit his job and was put on an island by a totalitarian British government. The lead was played by Patrick McGooan, or somebody. He spent every episode trying to figure out how to get away. The last episode he made it, and winds up traveling to freedom along with a whacked-out hippie. Does anyone else remember that program? If it wasn't The Prisoner, what was it?
Like TOAB said, please see the original. The original Village (in real life, a weird little resort in Wales) was much scarier than the AMC version. Plus, the basic conflict of the series was set up right in the first episode without dragging it out for hours with stupid flashbacks. I shut the new version off after the Eeeevil Corporation raised its head.
The original series from the 1960s isn't for all audiences, though. Check it out, but watch the first one ("Arrival") first… maybe follow it up with "The Chimes of Big Ben" and "The Schizoid Man".
"Free for All" ain't bad either.
I am a huge fan of the original series. The re-imaging greatly disappointed me, but the disappointment was mostly in the telling. The story was about big ideas, but it spent most of its time dwelling in trivial minutiae. Given some of the content, I was surprised Jim Caviezel appeared in it.
there is absolutely NO comparison between the late, great Patrick McGoohan's superb mini-series and the incomprehensibly bad remake. As mentioned by some of the above posters, 'The Prisoner' is available in DVD and now in (highly recommended) Blu-Ray.
Brilliant, abstract, expressionistic and beautifully realized, 'The Prisoner', made WAY back in 1967, stands as one of the finest moments ever in series television.
Please do not let this fraud turn you off on the concept. Watch the original- and enjoy…
Entire set available on BluRay –
http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?produ...
If you can get it at Deep Discount DVD, you can also probably get it at Amazon or Movies Unlimited. Just do a little comparison shopping for the best price. It's of course also available on regular DVD, in fullscreen.
The only saving grace in "The Prisoner" was Caviezel who I thought might make a great James Bond. He's matured into an interesting actor. For the rest, it was drivel.
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Yes, that's pretty much it, but summarized in a very literal form. The fact is that in McGoohan's original concept, they were only going to do a 6-7 episode series, but to sell it to the American market, CBS insisted on a longer run; I think they made 17 episodes. The "ending" was largely improvised on the spot by McGoohan after he and his main collaborator George Markstein had parted due to "creative differences", as they say.
The original Invasion of the Body Snatchers is one of my favorite "horror" movies. It's great. I've even converted my brothers, none of whom were interested in watching it until I made them. I'd never heard of The Prisoner until this post, but it definitely doesn't sound like something I'm interested in watching. Thanks for the tip!
The original was definitely scarier, because it seemed much more real! What it represented was something that could actually happen in real life (except for that bubble thing…the concept of which was even scarier), that you could be taken away forever and never escape. The new version was a mess and a disappointment.
They only did the 6-8 episodes. British TV only does 8 episodes of a series per season (which is why there are less than 20 episodes of "Absolutely Fabulous" since they only did three seasons).
The Prisoner has a personal story for me: a number of years ago I was in a van with several other people driving to a conference and the attractive female driver had her own cassette tape playing (I told you this was a few years ago). It was her own mix and the theme from The Prisoner came on. She made the announcement, "If anyone can guess the name to this tune, I'll give them a #*%*-job!" I waited about one minute, then leaned over and said "That's the theme from The Prisoner." She hit the steering wheel and yelled "Damn!" to laughter in the vehicle.
I will not reveal if she paid off the bet or not, but I encourage all to believe in the positive.
I completely disgaree with the review of the new "The Prisoner." I found it a challenge to watch, but thought-provoking as well. I also thought the locale (Swakopmund) was put to fantastic use and that both McKellen and Caviezel's performances were excellent.
It did not, as this review states, celebrate the virtues of collectivism and socialism. To the contrary: it showed just how evil and pervasive it is, and how the road to Hell (literally!) can be paved with good intentions. The turn by 6 at the end was tragic, not triumphant — as evinced by the tear flowing down 313's cheek at the end when 6 expresses his new belief that there has GOT to be some way to make it all work. He's been totally co-opted by The Village, and humanity has lost their only hope for freedom.
Maybe we've been so conditioned that we always expect the last scene of a movie to stand for what the creators believe in. In this case, though, don't mistake the tragic twist at the end for a happy ending.
The Prison sucked. But the casting of many of the women will keep my lonely long nights warm…
Thanks for clarifying. I only saw the episode when it first aired and my wee brain was still impressed with that scene and, except for being foggy on the exact wording, it's one of the most memorable cinematic moments ever. I live to write such stuff!
No apologies necessary Lawhawk. I have heard of Downey CA, from reading about Karen & Richard Carpenter, they grew up there. It's kinda funny hearing about movies and/or reading material being banned in those days. Because if anyone took a couple of minutes of their life, which they'll never get back, and watched a reality show on say MTV, one could only laugh at the contrast. Anyway, I like Sandra Dee.
Was Earl Warren the Chief Justice of US Supreme Court Justice, when you were in high school? Besides the JFK assassination, the only thing I heard about him was the Brown vs. Kansas (Topeka?) Board of Ed. Why would anyone want him impeached? It is ironic that you attended and graduated from a high school named after him while this was going on.
spinalcracker: The Carpenters were two classes behind us. They lived on the east side of town, so they went to East Junior High and Downey High. We lived on the west side, so we went to West Junior High, then Warren High.
Earl Warren became Chief Justice while we were still in early elementary school. Brown v Board of Education (1954) was not what the big flap was about. By the early 60s, the Warren Court had gone very activist, almost single-handedly creating the concept of a "living Consitution." His court replaced the venerable traditions of "the concept of ordered liberty" and judicial restraint with a nebulous concept of "substantive due process" which quickly turned into the court doing whatever it wanted to do by simply adding "umbras, penumbras and emanations" to the Constitution (another way of saying "putting words in the Founders' mouths"). Rights which had never existed before were suddenly "found" in the hidden meanings of the Constitution. Although Warren had already retired by that time, Roe v Wade (via Griswold v Connecticut) is a direct result of that philosophy.
Today's four "original words/original intent" justices are still trying to undo the damage the Warren court did with its loosey-goosey make-it-up-as-you-go-along judicial philosophy.
LOL will have to share a similar story one day…
I've heard and read nothing but good things about this series, including you. So I'll be looking for it. They have the intro uploaded into/onto? youtube.
Thanks for the link CF. I'd never seen or heard of deepdiscount before, and it looks worth investigating further.
LawHawk, what you wrote is very interesting. Thank you for posting. Legislating from the bench seems to be a favorite tactic from the left, because the American people in general, are not in agreement with the liberal agenda. I remember form high school that when the POTUS nominates a judge to the supreme court, often they are disappointed when their politics differ. Eisenhower is understand was disenchanted with Warren. Souter was another miscalculation, as maybe Sandra Day O'Conner to some extent.
Has there ever been a similar circumstance that has befallen a Democrat, or liberal POTUS?
It'll likely take a long time for the four "original words/original intent" justices, to undue the damage the Warren court left.
BTW in reference to the Carpenters, it is raining outside in the great Pacific Northwest, however even though it's Monday and raining, it hasn't gotten me down.
Cheers!!!
spinalcracker: Sadly, I can't think of an appointee who badly disappointed the Democrat who nominated him or her. Eisenhower was once asked what the worst mistake he made in office was, and he is rumored to have said, "appointing Earl Warren to the Supreme Court."
It is Monday (and it's been raining here), but it's time to get back to protecting ourselves from the government takeovers, and as Karen sweetly sang: "We've only just begun."
Goodness gracious and dear me………………..it appears that it is YOU who has their panties in a bunch. LOL
McCarthyism is something a bit different than what I was talking about. If I had said " RED SCARE", then you would be correct about lambasting me for the slight change.
As far as the Goldblum ( thanks for the correct spelling ! ) version, I was AGREEING with you. There have been two more ( perhaps more ) remakes, after that one, of the original movie. Taking umbrige over an agreement is silly; wouldn't you agree ?
You're welcome.
"Can you hear me, that when it rains and shines,
It's just a state of mind."
LawHawk, I can think of a million questions, well maybe not that much, to ask you about SCOTUS, as you appear to be very knowledgeable about it, being a lawyer, and law instructor. It's one of the many things I have an interest in learning more about. Space in this forum is limited, anyway thanks for the responses.
Cheers!!!
I generally don't insert meaning into art, however I'm always aware of intent.
Is the director, Don Siegal you mentioned in your post the same director who worked with Clint Eastwood?
I have a tendency to feel that when someone corrects me in bold letters that I'm being shouted at. Frankly, I didn't think it sounded at all like a gentle nudge in the right direction. A nice "I think you're wrong" would have sufficed, particularly since the point is not, as Al Gore might say, "settled." But I have no reason to doubt your word that it was simply meant as a disagreement on a point. So–peace.
Many thanks for the info and the link; much appreciated!
Thanks, Mike. That is exactly my remembrance of the whole affair. I'd also love to see your expanded take on interpretation by the beholder as opposed to what the artist may or may not have intended. Sounds like a fascinating subject.
spinalcracker: There are many good books available discussing the Warren Court. I covered the current Supreme Court justices and their philosophies on our blog (Commentarama) in a series called "The Nine Gray Eminences." Although there was nothing specific about Earl Warren, it was impossible to avoid many references both to him and to his court's decisions as the series progressed. You might find it interesting (at least I hope you do). My associate Andrew Price (well-known here at BH) is currently still in practice, but we try not to get carried away with the legalese, since it's not a lawyers site.
All of which reminds me–it's time to get back to work. LOL
Sorry………….I tend to use caps NOT for "screaming", but rather, as a voice inflection and to make a strong point. The written word has no inflective voice and we can;t see facial expressions, when we read another's post.
I'm glad that we cleared it all up, now.
Yes, you DID "have to be there" and like you, I was.
I've read the book ( long after I saw the original movie ) and also read a few interviews with the author, Jack Finney. He wrote it as a kind of anti-Commie warning, he said; but also as a Sci-Fi/horror story.
BTW, his other works ( books and short stories, one short story was also made into a movie, BTW ) are all marvelous reads!
In a late interview ( shortly before he died, Finney claimed that it was a "thriller", to use the word you did, but which Finney didn't ), but with a slight overlay of anti-Commie warning as well.
I never got around to reading any of his other works, but I'd like to. Any titles you might suggest?
It is one of the coolest spy scenes… plus that episode is so trippy. Apparently, it was an unused script from the Danger Man / Secret Agent series McGoohan was in.
They needed another script, so boom… instant bizarro Prisoner story.
I also love No.6's escape out of the chair in the rocket… "mountaineering rope, could hold an elephant." McGoohan's pleasantly-surprised facial expression is hillarious!
LawHawk, I hope I didn't keep you from your work. I went to your blog, and found it quite interesting. In fact I'll give it a higher grade than the current WH occupant gives himself, if that means anything. I plan to spend more time there when I get the chance.
Cheers!!
Thanks. I lived on E. 52nd near Lex during my "bohemian" years, so "Time And Again" sounds interesting,and I notice it's available on Google Books. I may just start tonght. It looks like he was a very prolific writer. I remember the movie "Assault On A Queen," but this is the first time I was aware that he wrote the story it was based on.
spinalcracker: I'm glad you enjoyed it, and I hope you'll come back. And feel free to jump onto the comment threads.
spinalcracker: Sorry to be so late getting back to you. We went through the "Crucible" lectures too (junior year in high school, I think). But we at least got more than one viewpoint on it–my history instructor was very leftish (but also a very good teacher) and my English teacher was very conservative. Quite a debate, actually. John Kennedy had just been elected President.
.I wasn't that far south. Downey was the town I grew up in (thirteen miles southeast of L.A.). The town went through its own censorship period. Banning Zane Grey from the libraries for using "damn" and "hell" on the pages. Banning Tarzan and Jane because they weren't married. And the most fun of all–the impeach Earl Warren movement, which was interesting because I graduated from Earl Warren High. Totally landbound, but we had a summer home in Laguna Beach. Needless to say, I couldn't wait for summer. We actually lived "Gidget," just with our own cast.
PS: We didn't segregate out the Supreme Court articles, so if you want to read those, find any one of my articles, click on LawhawkSF in the index at the bottom of the article, then go to the bottom of the LawhawkSF page and click "older posts" until you get to "Through the Legal Looking Glass" dated September 29, 2009. From then on you can click on the "United States Supreme Court" link to view all the articles on the justices.
I was a store clerk at the time I met Ian McKellen. He seems a genuinely sweet old man, dressed to the nines when I saw him, and has eyes you can't turn away from. He was very pleasant to me, in fact, he doesn't stand out in my mind as being a famous actor who shopped in my store, but as one of the nicest customers I've ever had.
I do disagree with his ripping out the Bible pages in hotel rooms. I don't even bother with hotel room bibles, and I don't even know why they are there in the first place.
I read his interview concerning "The Prisoner", and after seeing the show, thought he was a little off in the shows interpretation. I chalked it up to his character's viewpoint. Perhaps that's how he saw it, but I saw "The Prisoner", both the original and the silly remake, as a smack against socialism. Another poster is right, once Mr. and Mrs. 2 was free of that order, they were happy. Mrs. 6 was definitely sad to be in a socialist mindstate.
His being an actor all his life, I feel, has affected his life's education. He's a pleasant man, but needs more true life experience.
You're welcome.
"BOHEMIAN DAYS"……………living on the upper east side? LOL
Most of the action, in "TIME AND AGAIN" takes place in and around Gramercy Park and I was living there, when I read it, so it really struck home, for me. There is much in this book, that did, for various reasons, but I won't tell you more, because I don't want to spoil it for you. Maybe we can talk, after you finish reading it.
Finney was a very prolific writer and and even his worst book is better than other people "great" books, IMO.
He also wrote "GOOD NEIGHBOR SAM". Did you see that movie?
"ASSAULT ON A QUEEN: was a both a good book and a good movie.
OTOH, "MAXIE" was an alright movie ( though I always like everything that Ruth Gordon is in ), but a terrific novella.
Once you start "TIME AND AGAIN", please do let me know how you like it.
Is the Kimberly Arms residential hotel still there? My apartment was so small that if you rolled out of bed one way, you fell out the window, and if you rolled out the other way, you fell in the toilet. I have closets bigger than that apartment. Mostly the semi-permanent residents were aspiring actors. I was a starving student, and the rent was cheap.
I'll read "Time And Again" and get back to you. Thanks.
I don't know………….SORRY !
We haven't lived in Manhattan for quite some time, now, and when we do get in, it's not around where the Kimberly Arms is still/ or was.
But believe me, I do know that there have always been really tiny apartments in NYC. As a matter of fact, the N. Y Post just did a few articles about people who live in and "love" their bitty places. IIRC, the last such article was yesterday ( Sunday ), so if you're curious, you can read it on line.
Again, you're quite welcome and I REALLY would like to hear from you, once you've gotten into "TIME AND AGAIN", as well as after you finish reading it. I DO hope that you enjoy it as much as I did.
Part 1
This Copenhagen Summit has nothing to do with Climate Change or the Environment! It is about countries signing away their Sovereignty, so that they can be under the Communist Dictates of the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund that belongs to the Global Elitists!
The best deal for Canada is no deal and I hope Environment Minister Jim Prentice and Prime Minister Harper, take that attitude seriously as they will find should they come back after having signed away Canada's Sovereignty, or our ability to have a quality lifestyle via draconic Carbon Taxes and Cap and Trade, in this "non -Global Warming Country", that their political careers have ended!
Part 2
If I were Jim Prentice,I would just tell the truth and state Canadian's do not believe in the Carbon Emission Climate Change and on top of that it has been found – not in a small way that, the Scientific Data has been Severely Comprimised in many various actions, therefore until new true Scientific Data has been brought forward over time proven methods with honest Scientific Data brought forward!
Until that time Canada sees no way to put forward or provide funds or ratify or sign the Copenhagen Treaty. This deal is Null and Void!
Request that PM Harper DOES NOT sign the Copenhagen Treaty, thereby causing Canadians to lose their Sovereignty and Freedom, email the PM at: pm@pm.gc.ca
Sign the petition to protest the Inaccurate Science measurements that are being used to base the Copenhagen Treaty off of: http://www.gopetition.com/online/32485.html
I will say no more except you will be shocked by what you will hear in this main stream radio clip below!
http://2gb.com.au/index2.php?option=com_newsmanag...
Check out what Government is doing behind your back at : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU
For what its worth, while it was interpreted as both anti-communist/anti-McCarthyism—depending if one was liberal or conservative at the time—Jack Finney, the author of the novel and, screenplay writer Dan Mainwaring, and director Don Siegal all claim it was meant to just be a thriller.
But given the times, I think it was natural to assume otherwise. That is why I used the yerm "unintentional" satire. I am a proponent of inserting meaning into art that need not have been explicitly intended by the artist—regardless of the art form. But that's a whole other discussion.
The absolute best of his work, as far as I'm concerned, is "TIME AND AGAIN"; though I fully admit that if you ever lived in NYC/lived in the areas where that book takes place, and especially if your family lived there for many, many , MANY generations, it'll mean far more, than if not.. yet, I have suggested that book to to New Yorkers and non-New Yorkers alike, and EVERYONE loves it. Unfortunately, the much looked forward to sequel, because it languished for decades, most of it written in short fits and starts and not completed until shortly before he died, falls flat/ is not in the same league as all of his other work.
"3 BY FINNEY" is a collection of three of his novelas. "MARION'S WALL" was later made into a so-so ( not bad, not great ) movie , "MAXIE".
His "LOVE LETTERS" is good, but I think it's out of print. This was also made into a movie.
"ASSAULT ON A QUEEN", yet another one made into a movie, is good.
"ABOUT TIME" is a short story collection.
"FORGOTTEN NEWS, THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY AND OTHER LOST NEWS STORIES", might interest you and isn't a "fantasy" book.
The list goes on, but I wanted to give you a small list that is varied and not just the Sci-Fi/Fantasy stuff.
The series was always one of my favorites and the miniseries was a huge letdown. I loved KAR120C, the music, and Patrick McGoohan. A lot of the number 2's were also very good in their own rights. I liked the how they were rotated in and mostly out. The CDs are good listening sometimes.
The music in The Girl Who Was Death is my favorite. Based on Michael Rulle's review of the remake, I can see why they waited until Patrick McGoohan is die to do it. McGoohan would never have allow his baby to be butchered.
TGWWD is one of my favorite episodes, mostly for the music, partly for Justine Lord, and partly for it being such a fun episode.
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