‘It Might Get Loud’: The Redemption of Jimmy Page
by Matt PattersonWhat happens to an artist whose creative peak has long past? That is the question which looms like a sustained E chord over the new documentary It Might Get Loud, a strange and wonderful cinematic ode to the electric guitar by director Davis Guggenheim. whose previous credits include An Inconvenient Truth (don’t hold that against him).

It Might Get Loud’s central conceit is simple and elegant in principle, but surprisingly messy and complex on screen: Take three eminent guitarists of differing styles and generations, interview them individually, get them to open up about their relationship with their instrument and then, for the film’s climax, throw them together on a sound-stage surrounded by guitars and see what happens.
Guggenheim’s choice of guitarists is a surprising one that somehow makes sense; Jack White of The White Stripes and The Raconteurs (in his 30’s), The Edge of U2 (in his 40’s), and Jimmy Page of The Yardbirds and Led Zeppelin (in his 60’s).
The three musicians’ contrasting philosophies make for a fascinating musical study, as well as some unintentionally amusing moments: Page in one scene is shown lovingly caressing his Les Paul, comparing it to a woman, deserving of reverence and respect; White, meanwhile, sees his guitar as essentially an antagonist, a thing to be fought and conquered, and is shown repeatedly doing just that, bloodying his hands in nightly battle with his red and white axes. In another scene, Edge is shown talking about the impetus for both the formation of U2 and his own notoriously minimalist playing style – in the 70’s, he says, rock got too big and self-indulgent, with the kind of endless guitar and drum solos parodied to such great effect in This Is Spinal Tap. Of course Edge knows, but is too polite to mention, that Led Zeppelin was both prime instigator and practitioner of the grandiosity he laments.
Another fascinating juxtaposition: Edge makes a fetish of technology, explaining in great detail the many and varied pedals, amps, dials, and diodes required to transform his limited number of plucked notes into the soaring U2 anthems we know and love. Meanwhile, White is sneeringly suspicious of digital technology, and carefully guards his soul and music from its polluting effects by choosing for his instruments old, cheap, barely tunable creatures of wood and plastic.
The personalities of the three men are likewise contrapuntal: White practically stoops under the weight of the chip on his shoulder; Edge is calm, almost serene, even as he discusses the frustration of the compositional process. And Page…Page seems unsettled, even haunted. But more on that in a moment.
The highlight of the film, of course, is the much heralded “summit,” when the three men come together on a Los Angeles sound stage. The meeting is initially awkward, but soon they are loosening up, showing one another their songs, talking about the music they made and which made them. At one point, Page stands and starts playing the riff to “Whole Lotta Love,” to White and Edge’s giddy delight. Edge tries, with limited success, to teach Page to play “I Will Follow” (“Are you sure about that chord?” Page asks). White plays “Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground” for his elders, whose faces betray admiration and affection for their younger colleague. And when the three of them jam on “In My Time of Dying”…well, magic as only music can make.

It Might Get Loud is filled with such lovely moments. Guggenheim’s triumph is finding ways to illuminate not only the minds of these men, but the music which animates them: White surrounded by misty mountains builds a guitar out of a board, nails, wire, and a coke bottle; Edge travels to the school where he first met his band-mates some 30 years ago, pointing out the billboard where the notice for musicians was first posted; Page explains his “light and shade” compositional philosophy at home by picking up his guitar and playing a lilting and lonely “Ramble On.”
For those who know “Ramble On,” propelled on record byJohn Paul Jones’ slippery bass line and John Bonham’s ticking percussion, Page’s ad hoc rendition here is shocking – indeed, at first it is barely recognizable. But there it is, stripped down to the bare chords, revealing itself to be that rarest of God’s creatures – more beautiful naked than ornamented.
And here the comparison between Page on the one hand and Jack White and The Edge on the other falls away – the two younger guitarists, as accomplished and skilled as they are, are not, in fact, Jimmy Page’s peers; their music when stripped down seems less, not more.
Edge and White have something else in common: They both have ongoing musical concerns. White has at least three bands he heads, The White Stripes, The Dead Weather, and The Raconteurs, as well as a flourishing producing career (check out his exquisite production on Loretta Lynn’s fantastic Van Lear Rose). Edge and U2, meanwhile, have just released their most creatively, if not commercially, successful album in a decade, and are currently selling out stadiums across North America and Europe.
Page has not been so lucky. Since Led Zeppelin collapsed in the aftermath of John Bonham’s death in 1980, what little music Page has made has been the palest shadow of Zeppelin’s greatness, sub-par albums made with sub-par collaborators like The Firm and David Coverdale. These efforts seem to confirm his fans’ (and perhaps his own) worst fears – that Page cannot function musically outside the Zeppelin framework, a framework which he created, led, and nurtured.
In December 2007, a one-off reunion show at London’s ’02 Arena led to hopes and plans of a full-scale Zeppelin reunion, a new album and tour with Jason Bonham taking his father’s place on the skins. Alas, it was not to be: Zep vocalist Robert Plant is enjoying some of the best commercial and critical success of his career with his collaboration with bluegrass crooner Alison Krauss, and apparently and understandably wants no part of Jimmy Page’s nostalgia trip.
Where does that leave Page? He has written two new songs for It Might Get Loud, titled “Embryo No. 1″ and “Embryo No. 2,” so called because they are sketches of ideas that may or may not evolve into full song-hood. One of the songs makes a brief appearance in the film, but so far there are no plans for either of them to appear in finished form, nor does there seem to be any other Jimmy Page solo work on the horizon: When asked what Page would be doing in the coming year, his manager Peter Mensch recently told MusicRadar: “Fuck if I know.”
As the film closes, Page speaks candidly about his fears of the day when the creative coals are at last still and cold. That day comes to all artists, he notes; all you can do is try and make sure that it remains as far away as possible.
The painful evidence suggests that, for the architect of “Stairway to Heaven” and “Kashmir,” that day has already come. But maybe it doesn’t have to be that way. Maybe Page’s creative straight jacket is self-sutured. Maybe he just needs someone to believe in him.
I do.





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Beautiful.
Gotta see this one.
As for the idea that "creative coals go cold" at the end for all artists, I'm not sure I agree. Does anyone doubt that Mozart and Beethoven died with new, unwritten symphonies and concertos ringing in their heads? The body ultimately fails, not the creative spirit.
I'd rather listen to Page's old stuff than either of the other guys' new stuff.
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it is a interesting idea, but perhaps they could have added a 20's guitar(soon to be master) like the guy from los lonley boys. but i think some great musicians get caught in a perfect wave, like led zeppelin, then spend the rest of their life trying to catch another one. then there are a selcetive few, like les paul, who spend their whole life trying to re-invent music. les paul might be one of the greatest contributors to music, not just with the guitar, but recording pricipals.
i haven't liked much from U2 since Actung Baby and Jack white has little that appeals to me
so Yeah I agree.
I think it is intersting the The Edge would talk about Zep as being too soaring and over the top.
"……director Davis Guggenheim. whose previous credits include An Inconvenient Truth (don’t hold that against him)"
You lost me at this line…..
Loved and still love Zep, but Page must some day admit that excluding the great John Paul Jones from his post-Zeppelin work hasn't made it better, and instead it's not as good.
Jones could arrange and write,and play bass with the best of them, I believe he was the magic behind Led Zeppelin.
"An Inconvenient LIE" you say? hmmmmmmmmmmm…
maybe Page is being punished for selling his soul to Aelister Crowley and The Devil…
For he certainly hasn't offered up anything memorable- there was his association with Paul Rodgers- but Queen had a far better experiment with he than Jimmy did. The 'Golden God' has had a far better go of it.
But he didn't buy Crowley's house, now did he?
First time I saw Jimmy Page was with Led Zep in February 1972 from the second row, stage center of the Philadelphia Spectrum. Whew!!!!!
I remember hearing Led Zep1 for the first time on the Marconi Experiment on WDAS, a low watt Philly station – there was really nothing like it. Each tune became stronger than the other, culminating in "how many more times." I was floored. I had to buy it the next day. Indeed, their creative synergy was rare. Trying to recapture that spirit is hell, but for a time, Jimmy found the light. Putting him in the same context with the others is hard to embrace, but it is an interesting concept.
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Jimmy, We still want ya!
Be a ground breaker again. Start "Old dog" rock and roll. The old dawgs are the best ones.
Anyone unaware of the history behind Jimmy Page could catch a glimpse of it when he stood up and started playing Whole Lotta Love for White and Edge. The silly grins both got immediately signaled that they knew what they were seeing. Say what you want about both of them but it's obvious they both got it, right there. That riff practically created hard rock and it seems they understood.
Given that Page's creativity had such a high peak it's hard to buy into the notion that it's run it's course. The work he did with David Coverdale may not have been commercially successful (though I remember clearly that a couple of those songs got significant radio play) it was still very creative and perhaps some of his best playing. He may not have the best judgment on how to market and sell his music but he's still very capable of playing beautiful and well thought out songs. To me the problem has been his desire to reunite with Plant instead of going on his own. It's not that he's incappable, it's just that he hasn't. Maybe it's a blind spot for him and it's limited his availability but I don't think it's limited his ability.
Any Zeppelin fan would love for the three surviving members as well as Jason Bohnam to get together and record, tour and generally collaborate. It's just not going to happen with Plant's desire to not trade on his Led Zeppelin history it seems. I wish Jimmy Page realized that and moved on. Who knows what he'd give us.
I first saw Zep in ’73 at Atlanta Fulton County Stadium thirty feet away stage right, awesome!
Agree about Les Paul, and, add Danny Gatton to the list of the "selective few".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfBF4rr7FiA&eu...
I'd add Sonny Landreau and Link Wray too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUHz0i8_ziA&eu...
Jimmy Page is the King – Long live the king!
I love guitar dearly. Have played since I was three (1976) and do it for a living. Jimmy Page and Jack White are adept players. The Edge is really lousy, thus all the pedals.
I'd rather listen to Jimmy Page play a ukulele in a rainstorm than hear the Edge without Bono or Mr. White.
Page has created and thrown away more hit songs than Mr. White will ever conjure up and don't get me started on Mr. Edge and his Ted Nugent style of one string scales and ever-redundant chord play.
Like Jimmy Page has ANYTHING else to prove? If he is forlorn about anything it is because he is presently witnessing mediocre musicians and even NON musicians around the world make tens of millions of dollars "composing" computer engineered CRAP that sounds like old children's playground songs!
Enjoy your Hall of Fame retirement Jimmy and PLAY ON!
Right on, John. Jimmy Page is now an old man. He worked extremely hard for many years and left a legacy that stands alone. He should now enjoy his money, take cruises, and meet his fans. EDGE SUCKS AND HAS ALWAYS SUCKED. Most players with only a year demonstrate more skill.
Excellent piece, Mr. Patterson. I can't wait to see this!
Wait, I thought this post is supposed to be about guitar players… Why do you have a picture of Dr. Michio Kaku and Johnny Depp?
I have been playing Guitar for 35 years. Had my time trying to "make it" I have always believed that players that lack the talent to play the instrument well such as Duane Allman, Dicky Betts,Carlos Santana, Hendrix, Clapton etc. use "Electronics" to hide their lack of playing ability. Or lament how the people with talent just made the songs too complicated. Hear That EDGE, Much easier to just play power chords with layer and layer of effects then to learn how to play well. JMHO.
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I'm not an Edge fan either, never have been and probably never will be. He's got more in common with Pete Townsend then he does with Jimmy Page. That said, he presents himself well in the movie and even though he uses all that technology to make up for his lack of skills, at least he works at it and makes it sound good. I'd say he deserves credit for that even if his sound has more to do with the affects he's able to add more so than what he's able to actually play. If he's carved out a niche for himself then Jimmy Page has built a mountain. It's hard to understand the logic of putting them both in the same movie, White as well. Call me biased but I'd rather seen a movie on Page alone, it would have been more interesting.
Might his fondness for poppy extract be the reason for Page's artistic lethargy?
A lot of great music is the result of mixing more than one kind of music. Blues is playing African influence scales on European instruments (guitar and harmonica). Led Zeppelin mixed blues/rock with traditional English folk motifs.
BTW, if you want to listen to a great, great guitarist, check out Steve Kimock @ kimock.com. A very lyrical player with incredible chops and he's written some beautiful and engaging melodies.
Judging by your name I'd say your a Bohnam fan as well? Mine is in reference to Jimmy Page.
RIGHT ON!!! I am with you, my post is above. In my opinion, Edge is one of the worsts guitar players in popular music.
Edge is not even on the same PLANET as Pete. Nah, man. Edge can't play.
I've never gotten too excited about the whole rock-musician-as-virtuoso thing.
I remember a Rolling Stone article from back in the late '70s/early '80s where a couple of dozen guitar players were asked to talk about their favorite instrument. Each and every one went on and on about the make, model and technical details of their preferred guitars. Nick Lowe gave the best answer (quoting from memory here), "It doesn't matter, as long as it goes thump, thump, thump."
As a wise man once said, "It's only rock'n'roll" (but I LIKE it)."
Coulnd't agree more, Edge & White are not in the same league, never will be.
Jack White's a real mensch. When eBay called him about using "Confess" for a TV commercial, Jack told them that Patti Page's version was much better and they should use that one, and they did. (I wrote Patti's autobio, she told me the story.) I'm glad he sticks to the basics – they're often much better, just as you revealed with the bit about Jimmy Page's "naked" version of that old fave.
The only "new" guys I listen to is Mark Tremonti (Alter Bridge stuff) and Joe Satriani (Chickenfoot). AAMOF, Alter Bridge does the best cover of "Kasmir" that I've ever seen http://www.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfPNnBisii1M&\;ei… target=”_blank”>Linky Dinky
Narrow mind=your loss
The thing is, it's supposed to be about three guitarists from three different eras with different styles. I don't think you're supposed to comare them.
Did'nt Jones almost single handedly make their last two albums?
I might be the only one who laughed but good on ya!
I'll have to watch this… It seems to me that Edge is the odd man out here in terms of guitar talent. Jack White and Page are exceptional guitar players. I love U2, but I've never thought that the Edge was more than a average guitar player. It would have been interesting to see Jonny Greenwood (Radiohead) in there as well.
You don't know a thing about me, yet you pretend to know I have a narrow mind??
go piss up a rope….
The point was made without reference: These three guitarists were and are part of a band. Each was and is contributors to a bigger sound. Unlike, say, Joni Mitchell or Johnny Cash, who both wrote by themselves for themselves, these musicians are known for their collaborative efforts. None of these musicians put pencil to paper for the purpose of playing solo. In part it’s for that reason why both Page and Plant were terrified to meet Joni Mitchell. Furthermore, without Zeppelin or U2 or all of White’s musical machinations it is highly unlikely that these gentlemen would be enjoying equal success as soloists. So, why then acknowledge these three fine musicians? A Les Paul Guitar delivers the same sound in every hand. To mold its sound into something so unique that it defines its creator deserves tremendous credit.
I thought it was Robert Beltran standing with Winona Ryder when I first saw the story. Jimmy, cut your hair! You're getting too old for that.
When I was 17, all I listened to was Zeppelin. I had all the albums, tons of boots–anyone subscribe to the Zoso newsletter, which was the source for bootlegs before the internet? Jimmy's the rock god here. I was also a big U2 fan, but didn't rate the Edge that high. I don't like the White Stripes at all. I guess the first song I heard from them being pro-illegal immigration didn't sit well with me. Zeppelin had some hippie-dippie "let's just join hands" messages from time to time, but they never got political. That's the way I like it.
I stopped reading after that line too.
They shouldn't have used Jack White, they should've used Jack Black. He would've added some comedy to the doc.
Then I guess that makes 2 narrow-minded knuckledraggers….
Say goodbye to our beloved Spectrum TJ…..
This is the first film I have been excited about seeing in a LONG time. Thanks for letting us know about it as this is the first mention I've seen.
I hope the director/producer get these guys to talk about the influence of the Blues and what they think they've done with it. As techno-heavy (and often beautiful) as the Edge's style is, as dirty garage band as White is, and even as bombastic as Page was…no Blues – however it was filtered through to these guys – no U2/White Stripes/Zeppelin.
now THAT'S funny….
Truth, brother.
John Paul Jones not being included in any of the post Zep projects was heinous.
His bass lines and keyboard work were a crucial element to the Zep sound.
Any bass player will tell you how amazing JPJ is.
I am going to have a Musicgasm!
I saw this movie a few weeks ago and I was mesmerized by it. Jimmy has nothing to prove to anyone – he's the grand old Patriarch of rock now, The Edge may not be of the same caliber, but he does epitomize the master of the stomp box – those effects have given U2 it's unique sound. Jack White's talent speaks for itself, but he wears his love for the 6-string on his face throughout. He is "one" with the guitar.
An excellent movie – and a nice change to view at the theater.
White is a monster of a young player. Page is a giant with or without electricity. Whether you think it works great for U2 or not, I have a hunch that without his pedals and amps, no one would be much interested in hearing The Edge play guitar.
now we are two…
~ Batman
The Marconi Experiment was on WMMR, not WDAS. The host was Dave Herman who was soon to decamp for WNEW in New York. I was startled the morning after the first night I listened to turn on the radio and find out WMMR played Frank SInatra and Al Martino stuff during the 20 hours a day that wasn't the marconi Experiment
I still remember the first time I heard them play Mona by the Quicksilver Messenger Service and wondering how those guys played all those notes, but didn't repeat themselves…
Matt, you are nuts? The Firm was great! Paul Rodgers, perhaps the greatest voice in all of classic rock, is "subpar"? And Plant's new stuff sucks. I haven't liked his solo stuff since the 80's. Do not equate commercial success with creativity, otherwise, let's call Britney Spears creative. With all the lame old bands playing well past their prime (e.g., Stones), I think most critics and fans thought the one-off Led Zep gig last year sounded awesome, and we would all like a tour.
As for hating on Edge, I don't get it. He fills his roll excellently for U2. He isn't in a band that calls for blasting solos, but rather, rhythm guitar that sets the mood and doesn't get in the way. Don't hate on an apple because it doesn't taste like an orange. In fairness, when U2 does live covers like Helter Skelter, I think Edge really jams.
Nice eulogy, Matt…
I worship Led Zeppelin. I've also been playing the guitar for 18 years. In fact, I started playing because of Jimmy Page. He is in my mind, the all time greatest. The variety of styles, techniques, ideas, sounds, and feel found on Zeppelin's 12 years of recordings and live work place him way above the rest.
However, I don't think it's fair to say the Edge can't play. Agreed, he's not the most technically adept guitarist on the planet, but surely knowing how to use effects etc to create interesting sounds is valid. I't's all part of the kit. Especially today, when most 'rock' bands are all about haircuts, and nothing else.
And I can't stand U2.
"Page has not been so lucky. Since Led Zeppelin collapsed in the aftermath of John Bonham’s death in 1980, what little music Page has made has been the palest shadow of Zeppelin’s greatness, sub-par albums made with sub-par collaborators like The Firm and David Coverdale. These efforts seem to confirm his fans’ (and perhaps his own) worst fears – that Page cannot function musically outside the Zeppelin framework, a framework which he created, led, and nurtured."
This part of the article is false. While I certainly agree that his post-LZ work has not as good as his earlier material, his work in the Honeydrippers wasn't bad. David Coverdale is AWESOME, not a "sub-par collaborator". Coverdale's body of work with Whitesnake should speak for itself. The Coverdale-Page was very good. Look up Page on Wiki and then find the tracks on the Internet if you need to.
I would rate Jimmy Page a 10 as a guitar player. I would rate him a 10 as a composer. (over his body of work)
The Edge is a good guitar player and a master of effects. 8 guitar player, 8 composer.
Jack White is just getting started. 6/6 ?
“I don't like the White Stripes at all. I guess the first song I heard from them being pro-illegal immigration didn't sit well with me.”
Do yourself a favor and give them another chance. While I refuse to purchase “Icky Thump” (the title track contains that illegal immigrant reference), I picked up “Elephant” recently and fell in love. “Ball and Biscuit” is perhaps one of the greatest rock songs released in the past decade, with a bluesy Led Zeppelin flavor and just a hint of Bob Dylan.
Edge is more of a rhythm guitarist, like Townsend but I agree with you, Townsend is better. Edge is kind of the lead by default since U2 doesn't have any other guitarists. Btw, his name is too pretentious for me, who names themselves "The Edge"? Not to mention the fact that he works with Bono, I guess the less said about him the better. Edge seemed to be a down to earth guy despite his name and success, I appreciated that at least. After seeing the movie I almost hate to dis the guy. Still though, Edge with Jimmy Page? C'mon, I'm not buying it.
Great post. I'm a huge Zeppelin fan too, they're about all I listen to because it never gets old. Their live stuff is even better than their studio stuff as well. Your point about Edge is well taken too, that's sort of my feeling about him. I'm not a fan of him or his band but at least he tries to make up for his lack of skills by working with affects and different ways to make his sound more interesting. That's something I took from the movie, that he works hard on his sound. I'm not going to end up being a fan of his but I do have a little more respect for him as a musician and as a person after seeing the film.
ah, you successfully i.d.ed on old bass player and John Paul Jones disciple, me!
I guess it seemed like it with the heavy keyboards etc., the music really died in fall 1979.
Since you like Rush and Zeppelin, I'll give it another try. If I had to agree with all entertainers, I wouldn't have much to watch or listen to. That being the first thing I heard was the problem. But, I'll check it out.
The only other White Stripes song I've heard is Weird Al's CNR. At least, I think he was doing an original in the style of the White Stripes since some of their fans were complaining about it on YouTube. He does things like that with respect and humor, so I don't get why someone would be mad. It's a cool song, by the way.
JPJ, McCartney, Carl Radle, Klaus Voorman, James Jamerson,Carol Kaye , and Duck Dunn.
I've made a lot of money emulating the above .
Couldn't agree more. Edge and White might as well be wearing curly-toed shoes and a red rubber ball on their noses…standing next to Page.
Hank – I got a treat back in May. Saw the Phils beat the Mets, then saw the final Dead show ever at the Spectrum. Those were some times there, man, weren't they? Not only great music, but Clarkie, Dr. J. etc.
Not to be an old curmudgeon but, White and the Edge can’t hold Jimmy Page’s guitar case. I bet if you pulled them aside they’d tell you the same thing. U2 is a good band, White Stripes is a good band. LZ defined generations of Rock bands, and more specifically Jimmy Page took recording, and production to new heights in the ‘60s and ‘70s that the world of Rock chased, but only LZ achieved.
Page is a towering skyscraper.
Edge and White are quaint scale models.
Since were talking close to 40 years, ago I may be fuzzy on the details, but I sure thought it started on DAS then moved over to MMR. If not, that's okay too.
Ha Ha. That's good!
The whole project loses my faith with the inclusion of U2's guitarist ("The Edge"), who is, like, the deconstruction of a rock guitarist, with that repetitive chord-dinging dingadinga jinkajinkajinka…
The only reason I've never been fond of U2 (aside from Bono's Lefwing mind-drift) is that weird "nothing here but repetitive jangery" thing that they deploy with every.single.rendition.
The Jimmy Page reports here are interesting — as comprised as the man's life has been, his work was and remains astounding from the LZ years. Incomparable, in fact.
I get the impression that pairing Page in this project with Jack White and The Edge, though, is a joke: Guggenheim's snickering.
Yeah, I am with you. In 2009, douchebags runs the earth. Not saying 'Edge' is one, but his handlers have to be for this guitar shamathon.
Edge and White, what a joke! Page is so beyond these two, that it is a shame that they even be given print, face and film time with the king. All one needs to do is watch The Song Remains The Same, the movie, to see true mastery and skill.
It never ceases to amaze me how some 'musicians' will go on about this one's 'ability' or that one's lack thereof when it comes to those that have become commercially sucsessful. If you can't simultaneously appreciate the simplicity of say Kiss or the Ramones versus something like Yes or even Frank Zappa then you've missed the whole context of the music. It's about the sound. You're supposed to listen with your ears.
I'll certainly be happy to see this film. In full disclosure, however, my interest in seeing the film is to see what JP has to say these days.
I've been a guitar player for over 30 years, and there are so many players that I dearly love to listen to. Page, though, is my favorite. To be sure, there are many guitarists out there who are more technically proficient that he is (i.e., they can do all sorts of fretboard acrobatics and play at 500 mph); however, if you look at JP's playing style and his abilities as a composer, then I think you've got someone that's pretty hard to beat. I've had the good fortune to have seen numerous guitar aces play over the years. Guys like Danny Gatton, Allan Holdsworth, Albert Lee, Charlie Byrd, Hubert Sumlin, Clapton, Beck, Stevie, Zappa, you name it. And while I get so blown away by what those guys do with 6 strings, I keep going back to JP as my main source of inspiration.
Anyway, I'm done rambling. To all you guitar players out there, may your riffs be great and your intonation always true.
Watching Bohnam play Moby Dick in the movie is like watching the impossible. He was the absolute best. Kind of like Jimmy is the best, John Paul was the best, Robert was the best and the four made a musical stairway to Heaven.
A couple licks from Buddy Guy would blow all three of these guitar wankers off the stage. It's a real shame how so many guitar "Gods" have recieved fame and fortune by ripping off black blues artists.People who think these guys are great guitarists need to educate themselves and find out where they got their stuff from.
Page is one of the all-time greats, but who knows how good he could've been if he'd foregone the hard drugs and alcohol.
My tastes run more to Paul Barrere of Little Feat. He's still gettin' it done and without the self-doubt and destructive tendencies that seem to hobble Mr. Page.
I don't have to know anything about you, I just have to read what you wrote.
narrow-minded: lacking tolerance or flexibility or breadth of view.
That pretty much sums you up as far as going to see It Might Get Loud is concerned.
Hold on there, I never called anybody a knuckledragger.
Read your post. Good for you making a living of it. I am a bit older then you and my day doing it for money was the 70's and early 80's. One thing I am grateful for was when I was learning I had to compare myself with the greats of that time. Made me a better player. Had a jam session a couple weeks ago was cool to see I can still do it and have the people compliment me on my playing. can go on and on why rock sucks now but you already know where i would be going LOL. Best of luck to you in your career.
You ae mistaken about Townsend. He is not just a rhythm player. I was watching the concert the Who did for the firefighters after 9/11. They did there songs and the Townsend ripped off some lead that would compare with any hard core player. Surprised the shit out of me.I think said something like he just wanted people to know he could do it. Why he did not incorporated it in his music.? Hell if I know LOL.
Come again? Duane Allman, Dicky Betts, Carlos Santana, Hendrix and Clapton don't play well? While I would certainly agree with anyone who states that rock guitarists are a dime a dozen and cannot compare to jazz or classical guitarists, I'm not familiar with a guy like Duane Allman being a technophile. Maybe I misread your post, but I think some of the guys you mentioned are fairly proficient.
Page and Plant were terrified to meet Joni Mitchell. Furthermore, Joni who? Brahahahahah. OK What do you play? Yeah a Les Paul guitar delivers the same sound no matter who plays it. Get a clue. Next time if you are going to give an opinion engage your pea brain first OK?
Some embers are far from cold; Jeff Beck (born 1944), live at Ronnie Scott's (2007). Enjoy.
I came to the White Stripes late, and it's been a journey hearing their older stuff and now the Raconteur's. There's no match for stripped down rock.
That being said, I can't help but stop what I'm doing when Streets Have No Name comes on or Rover.
All I got to say is…….. Stevie Ray Vaughan!
Led Zeppelin's "Going to California" was said to be written about Robert Plant and Jimmy Page's infatuation with Mitchell, a claim that seems to be borne out by the fact that, in live performances, Plant often says "Joni" after the line "To find a queen without a king, they say she plays guitar and cries and sings". Jimmy Page uses a double dropped D guitar tuning similar to the alternative tunings Mitchell uses. Wikipedia.
Going to California was, in part, influenced by Joni Mitchell, who both Robert Plant and Jimmy Page adored. When Plant finally met her in the mid 70's he called it one of the greatest moments in his life.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Led-Zeppelin-501/Calif...
…the two musicians spent as much time listening to Joni Mitchell and Joan Baez as they did to contemporaries like The Who and The Doors.
The unauthorized Jimi Page Biography
There are hundreds of quotes referring to Plant and Page's admiration for Ms. Mitchell who is considered by too many rock historians as well as Rolling Stone as one of America's greatest song writers.
Mr. Pea Brain
personally, i thought that once clapton sobered up, his playing took a dive. dickey betts on the other hand, was very good after he sobered up. had he not ridden the allman brothers train waaay too long, he might have been considered one of the true southern rock git-gods.
I might be wrong, but I think he meant that players that lack the talent of real musicians, like those above, "hide" their lack of talent by such and such.
I just can't put a positive spin on that combination of guitarists. First of all, Page is – well, was – the only real rock virtuoso of the three, with Edge being a kind of high tech George Harrison: What he plays on U2 songs is perfect for the songs, just as Harrison's work with The Beatles was, but you'd never accuse either of them of being technical "monsters." Basically, what Edge and Harrison played was ABC Easy compared to what Page pulled off at concerts every night back in his prime.
Now, If you'd have chosen Steve Vai for the forty-something, well, then you'd be talking about someone who further evolved rock guitar to heights even Page could never have dreamed of. Page and Vai together might have been some real and true electromagnetic magic.
Jack White? Never heard of him. Seriously. And I play and teach guitar for a living. WTF?! Of course, I don't bother with much rock anymore, so that doesn't mean much, if anything. I still close my set with the first song I ever learned to play, "all the way through" though – Stairway to Heaven.
Sorry, the entire film loses credibility when The Edge is included as talent.
First off, pairing Page with these guys is a joke – it's kind of disrepectful, in fact, and shows the directors limited understanding of musical talent. Page's abilities and depth as a musician are based classical traditions and roots music and required intense practice in and appreciation for what he was doing. For me, this pairing is akin to camparing many young so-called artists who practice cubism with Picasso: Cubism for Picasso was an evolution in how he saw things, but he was actually a tremendous realist and schooled in the basics, as his early work shows; many who practice cubism do so because it can be simple to do and can demand only paint-by-numbers ability, but they have never had the discipline to study the basics, and it shows. Regarding White and the Edge, this concept is captured perfectly when the writer compares their abilities vs Page's and says " their music when stripped down seems less, not more."
So this paring reminds me of all the young jokers who claim they are artists
Fred Zeppelin created some great riffs — for sure. But their overall body of work includes some serious clunkers.
Jack White rips off riffs from every garage band in the 60's. White's riffs have been done before — only better.
U2? Are you kidding me? Overrated — big time. Bono's thin voice and Edge's over-effected guitar, not to mention re-hashed songs from the American soul song book (a typical English band trait), make for a un-satisfying listening experience.
For my money, the best rock guitarist of all time is George Harrison. He had the perfect riff for every Beatle song without getting in the way of the song. He doesn't rock you say? Check out the riff on "Paperback Writer". Or the greatest fuzz guitar riff ever played on his solo song "What Is Life?".
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Excellent take on this film. I was so excited when it opened up, and I wasn't disappointed at all.
Never a fan of U2 or the edge, I did leave with some respect for him. Jack White is just what music needs these days.
Jimmy Page stole the show with that acoustic Ramble On, but the killer was watching him play an air guitar chord in his den.
I would have liked to see an entire film of just the sit down on the stage; hopefully the DVD extras will take care of that.
[...] *It Might Get Loud: The Redemption of Jimmy Page, by Matt Patterson. [...]
nice list, especially love "the Hook" (I listen to James Brown records over and over and over) and Duck, they're all brilliant. McCartney is hugely under rated, was listening to "Band on the Run" on the way back over to skool!
I never made a lot of money, but dang, I had a lot of fun.
ya he did. part of that whole mysticism kick. I thought he should make records and put a sock in the Crowley stuff myself. shut up and rock out.
who's that funny looking kid next to Page?
agreed. But when you go down to 'the Crossroads' and fall down on your knee- well, gotta pay the man eventually.
OK if this is a forum to pass judgment of these 3 guitarists- here goes. Page- simply the best- better on acoustic than electric in my world, so many of his songs are unmatched in sheer brilliance and beauty, The Edge is very creative and often inspired, and can captivate an arena full of fans as well as anybody.. Jack White is a true rocker who gives it all on stage, always performing at the edge (!) of insanity and creating absolutely great rock music.
Can't wait to see this film, though I am not ready to forgive an inconvenient truth.
ah, so TRUE and one of my favorite bass lines ever. Jack Bruce is a beast on the live Cream version!
and Johnson paid, paid dearly. Fame isn't free.
pretty good Walter Hill film as well… even IF Scott Baio is in it.
It was, I enjoyed the movie. Wasn't it Ralph Macchio? Same diff. Did you see the flick set in the 30's "Oh Brother Where art Thou?" Big "Robert Johnson – Crossroads" reference in that one too.
you never saw Ralph Macchio AND Scott Baio in the same room, now did you?
ho ho…
Loved 'Oh Brother'. Yes, to any musician the' Crossroads Tale' is Big Medicine…
now that you mention it…
As a multi-instrumentalist and composer, I've always been annoyed with people who can only look at technique. It's called MAKING MUSIC folks. Technique is a part of making music, musicianship and inspiration are another. I like and respect all 3 of these guys for different reasons and think they are all giants for different reasons. Black is about aggression and getting beauty out of dirt. The Edge uses the guitar as his primary tone generator, but his virtuosity and musicianship is the sculpting of the sound (if you think it's easy to musically control that processing live, you try it). Page's effortless performing and composing is the best. Each of these guys has built on the work of prior musicians to break new ground. Page and the Edge have definately established a style and sound that will last beyond themselves. Only time will tell for White, but I think he will too. Can others have been added? Yes, there are plenty of others, but these 3 are a very inspired cross-section, as much for the differences as anything else.
Dickey Betts never sobered up.
I'm interested in seeing this. I read another review that wasn't quite as positive, but it also had positive things to say about Page and I'm a huge Zep fan. My favorite story about them doesn't actually involve them. Back in college, one of my roommates picked up my newly purchased CD version of Led Zeppelin. He asked, "Is this a greatest hits album?" Of course I replied with some relish, "It's their debut album."
First, I'll start by saying I am a die-hard Zeppelin fan. I own every released album and more than 100+ bootleg records/cds. I thought the movie was excellent and it really opened up my eyes to the playing of Jack White and The Edge. Although I can think of 8-10 other guitarists that would have been a better fit for Jimmy, this is what we got. I was sadly disappointed that the movie failed to cover Jimmy Pages' 2 tracks "She Just Satisfies" and "Keep Moving", and failed to cover anything after Led Zeppelin. No mention of The Firm, Coverdale, or The Black Crows. As an artist and musician you have to ask why hasn't Jimmy wrote anything really new since 2000. That is quite a long time. Has his well run dry, is he lazy, is he lacking inspiration, lacking motivation? Jimmy had a wonderful ability to re-interpret songs; in fact about 20% of Led Zeppelin's catalog were previously recorded tracks. Jimmy's true talent was re-inventing those tracks and elevating them by adding his touch. I can't help but wonder why he hasn't just gone back to that to using that guide and record some music. I have seen in Guitar magazines for YEARS that he is working on an album, but all us fans have are two unfinished guitar sketches. Meanwhile Robert Plant moves onto higher ground. I hope to see Jimmy putting out some new music sometime soon, else the next time we see Jimmy, he'll be playing on a double-decker bus for the next Olympics.
Of course all these questions
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