Catholics vs. Communists
by Michael MoriartyHmmm … does this really have to do with child abuse or, to use the Reagan perspective, are these arrests and possibly further imprisonments of high level Catholic authorities “bargaining chips” to convince the Catholic Church that her ban on abortion should be … how shall I say … “seriously reconsidered?”
All is politics these days … and all will be used to further the political game.
However, considering the Catholic Church’s major hand in overturning the Polish Communist State, the “game” is decidedly beyond politics.
The increasingly deadly Game has been a not-so-Cold War for quite some time.
Unfortunately, it is now not only Catholics versus Communists.
It is the Catholic Church versus the entire Progressive New World Order.
Versus the European Union’s Socialism.
Versus Russia’s neo-Soviet allegiance with Red China.
It is basically the Catholic Church versus the World.
Not even America is an ally of either Israel or the Catholic Church.
America is no longer, as the President has repeatedly declared by word and deed, a Judeo-Christian Civilization.
It is clearly and merely a part of the Progressive New World Order.
As I’ve said before, America gave up any substantive resistance to the very Marxist New World Order when her Supreme Court passed the Roe v Wade decision 37 years ago.
In Europe, however, the Catholic Church has refused to condone abortion or euthanasia.
America’s collapse to the first stage of Communism, which is Socialism, was insured when the Nixon/Kissinger Presidency not only collapsed before Vietnamese Communists in Paris but when its Supreme Court – bipartisan, mind you – instituted legalized abortion.
America not only gave up the territorial fight, it surrendered in the spiritual war as well.
We not only lost the geographic battle, we lost the moral high ground as well.
I consider Kissinger, without question, the single most valuable asset to World Communism and the decidedly Marxist New World Order.
It is no surprise that the Last Great Courtier should be spending much, if not most of his time, in Red China.
Kissinger’s infiltration of the White House long preceded Barack Obama’s capture of the Presidency through the front door.
Kissinger bent Nixon into a moral pretzel.
Admittedly, it wasn’t hard.
Nixon’s adoration of Harvard credentials made him and the rest of the nation a sitting duck.
Now we’re deeply mired in the Harvard quagmire with Dr. Obama, the recipient of all the highest degrees now possible, including the Nobel.
And Kissinger now resonates as our real life version of Hollywood’s Sidney Greenstreet.
Dr. K is therefore the odious counterpart to our very American and independent loner, whether it be John Wayne, Ronald Reagan or Sarah Palin.
As much as the Progressives would like to eliminate Good versus Evil as the evaluating slide rule of America, it will never be done.
Even our slightly tainted anti-heroes, like Humphrey Bogart’s Rick in Casablanca, re-enter the war with equally tainted but unavoidable idealists such as Claude Rains’ French inspector.
Are they actually Communist good guys? However, is a Communist good guy even possible?
Now that America is out of the fight with Communism because we have a decidedly Marxist President, all that remains as a defense of even human life and its sacredness is the Catholic Church.
So it is, indeed, Communism versus the Catholic Church.
Marx versus Christ.
I personally don’t think the match is fair.
Karl hasn’t got a chance!
He is unquestionably the Devil’s Advocate and the Satanic Economist and, well, the Bible tells you how such an encounter ends repeatedly.
The Devil loses.
Now, however, because Mao’s Red China still survives, a neo-Soviet Russia is being rebuilt by the puppets of a KGB loyalist, Vladimir Putin, and a full and unapologetic Marxist, Barack Obama, rules the White House, it would seem that Christ’s days are up!
That and the certainty of a whole new Marxist Christ defending abortion.
For me, however, the Marxist/Progressive New World Order is no more than The New Goliath, albeit with an Ivy League degree.
It is a tortured and venomously lying creation of Communism’s tacit agreement with the likes of Osama bin Laden to destroy America first and then worry about the Catholic Church.
The Tea Party was the most unexpected hindrance to the New World Order. That and Fox News’ Glenn Beck.
Therefore, we now have, in the midst of this delay, a shift of focus back to attacking the Catholic Church.
The same Progressive Movement that is now handing out condoms to five year olds is sincerely concerned about child abuse?
You tell me if that contradiction-in-terms isn’t a clear indication of the Marxist New World Order’s real intent while attacking the Church’s undeniably Achilles’ heel.
I guarantee you, if the Catholic Church condones abortion, we won’t hear any complaints about priests and child abuse in the mainstream press, not while the Obama’s public schools are handing out condoms to five year olds without parental consent.
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I never thought I would live to see things come full circle.
We have taken too many stpes backward through history, through a tunnel, a time machine.
We now stand at the precipice, of 1939 and wonder in amazement which way to go……….
The commies hold grudges. They know very well John Paul II was significant in toppling communism in Poland. I have a Polish friend (who received her first Communion from JP II when he was still a bishop) that when the Polish Pope went to visit Poland and met with the communist leadership, they were shaking in their jackboots.
another great post from Mr Moriarty…
And there is complete agreement here on all of the salient points. The one big rub- and it is a BIG one, vis a vis'
the Catholic church- the Jesuits and the marxist take on Christianity, namely 'Liberation Theology'. We saw it in play in Central America in the 80's, culminating of course, with the shooting of the nuns who were running guns across the Honduran border.
The Jesuits were rife with these marxist adherents, and it set back Catholicism in Latin America 25 years.
Question: How much of this still exists within the Catholic hierarchy? Was it purged by John Paul II?
Ultimately there is no doubt that the Catholic church is under seige by the Progressive movement. You cannot have compliant sheep unless they are ALL under the same belief system. That is what is really at play here…
I don't think there's much chance the Church will give into abortion any time soon. Politicians and activists think in election cycles. The Catholic Church thinks in centuries.
I disagree a bit with your position that socialism is the first stage of communism. Marx despised socialism, and saw it as the major threat to his vision of communism.
According to his Manifesto if society were allowed to evolve naturally, it would eventually lead to socialism where the bourgeoisie would grant just enough freedom and wealth to proletarians in order to keep them effectively subjugated. An evolutionary dead end for society.
That's why he called for a violent mass uprising to destroy the bourgeoisie, before society could sink into never ending socialism.
Don't get me wrong, I do agree communists do enjoy the appearances of socialism, it sounds a lot better than total destruction of an entire class of citizens.
Agreed. What I am wondering now is if God will require to price in treasure and American blood of another World War to be fought to bring America back to its senses! The last two stridently progressive presidents (Wilson and FDR) embroiled us in world wars. Often, God allows us to experience the consequences of our own actions to teach us a lesson. It can be agonizing. Barack Obama was the most catastrophic error of the American people in our generation.
Our enemies smell blood in the water. While Barack Obama is boasting of a "relationship reset" with Russia, the Russians are sending deep cover spies to steal nuclear technology from us. They must consider us fools! And the day after the revelation of the spy network, the White House is still saying that it WON'T affect our recovered relationship with Russia! Is Obama insane?
It's not too hard to imagine that their perception of our weakness could lead us down the same paths as Wilson and FDR did, in more ways than just economic devastation!
I have faith that the Great American Middle will rise and put a stop to this. They have many times before, and in the process freed a good portion of the world's population.
I'm betting it will rise to the occasion again.
Oh yes they were. I remember that time well. The Solidarity strikes were going full steam. Every one I knew was waiting for the Soviet tanks to roll into Gdansk just like during the Prague Spring.
The the Church selected the first Pope from a Communist country. His first official trip was to Poland and he brought the world press with him. If the Soviets made a move it would be on the front page of every major paper in the world.
I was reading a column by George Weigel, JPII's official biographer. He said when the Pope sat down for talks with Lech Welesa, they both knew the room was full of microphones. So they basically just sat there and smiled at each other.
What an exciting time for freedom.
Hmmm … having been educated by the Jesuits at University of Detroit High School, I too have wondered much the same thing … I mean, how could the Jesuits let a William Clinton become … uh … William Clinton.
No, he was never a Catholic … but he studied with them all through college … and … well … look at Notre Dame's sycophantic headlining of Obama!
Notre Dame is NOT a Jesuit institution.
I have no doubt that the Church is being attacked from within and that Liberation Theology was just the first major assault.
It lays entirely in the hands of the College of Cardinals. Unfortunately … and rather like our Congress, The College has undoubtedly been invaded by Progressives.
If, like the Supreme Court, it is swamped with "Liberation Theologians", we're in for a long period of homicidal tyranny on earth. She, the Church, is our last hope, I think. The possibility of America overturning Roe v Wade at this point looks slim.
However, if ONE state, rather like Arizona and her great Governor, bucks Washington and overturns legalized abortion?
We've won!
GB,
M
"Our enemies smell blood in the water."
That is the most profound analogy I have heard in a long, long time.
That "exciting time" shall return!
In America!!
GB,
M
I remember it so well because it was the first time in my life I was actually proud to be Polish.
Since then I've learned many other reasons to be proud. But that was a defining point in my life.
You're most likely right about MARX's view of socialism.
However, the Communist realists are seeing such major advances over Europe through the European Union's socialism that they know it is the way to bring America down. Turn America into Canada and they've won!!
They've basically SILENCED their possible opposition.
Canada is smiling NOW. When the demands from Beijing and Moscow begin, who will be there to help Canada say no?
Obama's America?
No, the Free World, with Obama, is now Israel.
GB,
M
And let's not forget the Soviet Communists' attempt to assassinate Pope John Paul the Great, shooting him four times in St Peter's Square on May 13, 1981 – John Paul asserted it was the intervention of Mary that saved his life that day – the anniversary of the Fatima visitations….
…..We don't call God the Almighty for nothin'……
“ Could I forget that the event [Ali Ağca's assassination attempt] in St. Peter’s Square took place on the day and at the hour when the first appearance of the Mother of Christ to the poor little peasants has been remembered for over sixty years at Fátima, Portugal? For in everything that happened to me on that very day, I felt that extraordinary motherly protection and care, which turned out to be stronger than the deadly bullet. ”
— Pope John Paul II – Memory & Identity, Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 2005, p.184
yes, it is our take as well that the Catholic 'Congress', aka the College of Cardinals is where the subversion lie. The real qustion is how pervasive? John Paul II was involved in a (purge? purification?) of the Jesuits and this didactic Marxism that is Liberation Theology.
One can only hope that the momentum is with the Sir Tomas More's of today…
I think the Belgians are just showing Maobama how it's done.
The Catholic Church, to me, is a bastion of hope (and I hate the word now) in the U.S., and I haven't missed a week since the Chairman was elected. I'll do my part to see this institution remains strong.
hmmm… i love the post and this comment. I am frustrated at the interwoven communism-catholic history south of the border as well. and think protestant churches need to accelerate there.
As a 'fallen catholic' searching for a non-Catholic church, this post makes me wonder if I need to fight for my church back… Hmmm… The ones here in Hollywood have tinges of progressivism and south of the border victimhood. So I'm torn… definitely torn.
A Christian with choices… are Muslims or Statists given the same?
I'm not Catholic or particularly religious, but I don't find a Catholics versus Communists fight to be much of a fight at all. Catholicism has been around for, well, a really long time. On the other hand, every time communism is tried, it fails in quick order and usually in quite monumental fashion.
We never had to go to war with the Soviet Union because Reagan seemed to understand that communism comes stamped with an expiration date. China learned that lesson much sooner than many expected, which is why it should now more appropriately be labeled "state capitalism." China had to adapt—and will be forced to adapt even further—in order to survive.
Humans are not meant to be subordinate to the state. I believe that deep down, people are born with that essential piece of knowledge. That is why communism and world government will always be destined to fail. It is not in our nature as humans to willingly submit ourselves into bondage.
I'm praying Israel can hold on till America shows Obama the exit sign.
It boggles my mind that so many Americans support muderous, thug dictators like hammas over democratic Israel.
I don't know if you've heard of this book before, or possibly might have read it. If not, I highly recommend. it. Natan Sharansky was one of the original Peaceniks and spent years in the gulags. He was finally allowed immigrate to Israel thanks to a personal request from Ronald Reagan in the usual pre-summit horse trading.
He immigrated to Israel, founded a political party focused on the needs of new immigarants to Israel. became a member of the Knesset, and even was part of the Israeli delegation at Wye River.
Fascinating behind the scenes look at the fall of the USSR and the rise of Israel. Plus a really good analysis on how totalitarianism sustains itself. http://www.amazon.com/Case-Democracy-Freedom-Over...
Perhaps we, "the Fallen", are the Church's underground.
GB,
M
If a priest breaks a law, that priest should be prosecuted. Some in the church are there for personal gain. Those should be driven out.
And if Barrycare stands, Roe v. Wade will be overturned because the gov't will be making the call on who can or cannot have children, or how many can one have, not the individuals.
"Nixon’s adoration of Harvard credentials made him and the rest of the nation a sitting duck."
I completely agree with this statement. Harvard grads and Ivy Leaguers, who are very smart with ego to match, were given false information as a starting point. These grads are picked off the podium as they received their diplomas with no work experience, and offered big salaries and titles. Their ego makes them blind to the reality. This is my blanketed statement stemmed from a bit of personal experience.
Leonardo Boff = Fringe Catholic inventor of "liberation Theology" the socialist co-opting of theology,
Dorothy Day = Catholic and Communist advocated "distributionism"
just two, plenty more
Such a list would be helpful. Yes, Dorothy Day, the Church's own Margaret Sanger.
GB,
M
Nice analysis!
I was "picked off" out of Dartmouth to be a Fulbright Scholar and when my true faith in God was revealed while studying in England … boy … NOT NICE!!
Sen. Fulbright's influence on Clinton was diabolical actually. He swept the charming idiot into his power fold, helped get him the Rhodes during which Clinton sealed his love affair with Lenin in Leningrad!
It's all in Clinton's autobiography. He traveled Europe with Edmund Wilson's FINLAND STATION near his heart.
However, as the intro to the most recent edition of FINLAND STATION shows, Nabokov described Lenin as "a glass filled with the milk of human kindness, at the bottom of which is a dead rat!"
GB,
M
Thank you.
I will buy the book!
GB,
M
Who do you think are the Sir Thomas More's?
GB,
M
I very much like Mr. Moriarty's thoughts, politics and faith. But please get him an editor. His remarks are difficult to read. He deserves good editing.
Thank you.
Look into conservative Catholcism; society of Pope Pius X; Relevant Radio; Ave Maria radio and into your local dioceses to see if they have a "latin mass" church. Do not abandon the faith of your fathers – bring it back!
I think you might be giving Marx a little too much credit as a visionary. True, he was a smart guy in some respects, but his whole idea of historical dialectics didn't exactly work out, a fact all the Socialist and Communist parties of the 19th and 20th centuries were forced to admit–if only to themselves. I'm just spitballing here, but it seems to me that what's necessary to move from Socialism to Communism is a fixation on worldly perfectibility. And if this fixation becomes all-consuming, then those who have it will move into an attitude of wanting to destroy everything that lies in the path of their goal–aka violent revolution. That's why it's often said that Communists are socialists who have tired of persuasion and rely on force instead–the "persuasion of power," to quote SEIU's Andy Stern.
At the same time I agree that not all, or even most, socialists are Communists, and due to the internecine battles on the Left, they can often be the most powerful witnesses against such tyranny.
I am not Catholic, but I get irritated pretty quickly by the attacks on the Church, which often come across as a bunch of cheap shots by those of shallow intellects. Hey, you're dissing Catholics–good job, that's not a 500-year-old pastime or anything. Congratulations on doing something new.
I certainly hope so. It is my prayer up here in Socialist Canada. They had a taste of Hard Left with Trudeau … and I'm not sure Canada remains entranced by the Trudeau charm.
I do know ONE THING! When the New World Order starts treating Canada the way they are treating America and immigration in Arizona? Canada will be as belligerent as Governor Brewer of Arizona.
Canada, one of the largest land masses among nations, has a population of only 34 million, one tenth the size of America. CANADIANS LIKE IT THAT WAY!!
GB,
M
I'm not giving Marx any credit for anything other than being a raving, drunken lunatic. But I have read some of writings, Sun Tzu, know your enemies. I'm still not convinced he didn't make it all up to get free beer at the Berlin Beer Halls, because the only way he makes any sense if you're four sheet to the winds.
Marx believed the natural evolution of society from cave ma, to tribes, nations states, monarchies, mercantile system, capitalism necessarily would lead to socialism, which he viewed as a dead end. He opined that therefore communists needed to seize society before it calcified into socialism.
True communists and socialists despise each other. For a while before the Holocaust became known, the UK seriously debated about joining Hitler to take out Stalin.
If you ask me the real reason they hate each other so much has to do with Lenin. When he took over Russia and set about constructing a communist society, and discovered he made a really big mistake. Russia was an agrarian society, so there really weren't any means of production to seize.
Hence, back to my theory about communism used to con free drinks.
What he did was plead with the German communists to revolt there, seize those means, and have the German reds support the Russian reds, till they could build the means of production. There was a lot of turmoil in Germany at that time, but the German socialists ended up on top – Hitler.
The Russian communists never forgave or forgot the German socialists over that, and the German socialists never forgave or forgot the Russians who tried to wipe out their movement.
If you ask me, the majority of those on the left really have no idea what communism or socialism really is. It's just cool to rebel against authority (down for the struggle against 'Da Man). And since capitalism is king in the west, that's the first alternative they cling to.
The Catholic Church and its Protestant counterparts must beware of fifth columns in their midst. Jesus made it quite clear in his parable of the tares and the wheat that the enemy had sown his own agents within the church. Sometimes these agents are wolves in sheep clothing. Men and women who join the church but Jesus is never the Lord of their lives. Sometimes these agents are wolves in the clothing of shepherds. Clergy, ministers, and pastors who use the church and their leadership position in it to advance their own agenda, to get rich, and to fleece the flock. We have been blessed with two great popes in recent years and I have known some great men of the Lord in leadership positions. I have also known the wolves who feed upon the flock, who abandon the truth of Scripture, and who feast upon those to whom they are supposed to minister.
The church universal has some powerful enemies without who would like to storm the gates. It also has some powerful enemies within who weaken the foundtions and threaten to open the gates to the enemy. Both serve their master the devil. Rev. Barry Lynn – head of the Separation of Church and State propaganda – is a member of the fifth column.
….we thought of that, but decided his "quirkiness" sets him apart and is his cutest feature……
I pray very hard that the Church holds the line on abortion. I think it's the last line to hold. Kennedy and his kow-towing cohorts have done a lot to move the line while obfuscating the fact that they are moving the line.
I was recently listening to a Priest named Fr. Bartunek speak about why he decided to become a priest and it was actually when he was in Poland. He said that he and his girlfriend at the time had decided to attend Mass and were shocked to find that the church had no pews. He said they were even more shocked to see the church fill with people who were all willing to stand. He said the church was so packed that people had to stand outside. He said the priest later explained to him that they took out the pews so that they could fit everyone in the church and Fr. Bartunek realized that was what he wanted to do was to bring that kind of love to America.
I think we will hold the line but we might take a lot of punches to the jaw in the process.
Maybe it needs to get bad in America so that we can have a rebirth like what is happening with the tea party. I don't wish for that but I can see that a lot of good and a lot of real hope (not of the Obama-kind) can come out of bad situations.
I don't think they'll give up abortion soon, either. Even if the Catholics in Name Only do.
Um, just a clarifying point. There was the Church fighting communism in a way the Latins never could – actually in Russia, when it was the USSR. It not only survived, it got stronger. The church in Rome has had its ups and downs, good people and bad. That is is the "last hope" or a "bastion of hope" is something I do not ascribe to. That is, not in the sense that it is the Church, the Body of Christ. Of course, this boils down to beliefs regarding the current church in Rome and its origins.
However, I *do* see a lot of good people within the church of Rome and, throughout the years (ESPECIALLY prior to the 11th century) there were even great people – saints. I would not pin any salvation of the world, or any part of it, on Rome, but I can definitely see the fight Rome wages against the abomination that is abortion as a strong, wonderful battle that it wages. One in which I fully support Rome.
the sinner,
Patrick
While there's no doubt some Bishops who believe in liberation theology, I believe the legacy of Pope John Paul II was and still is so great, it will definitely keep a clamp on it. JPII's first trip to Latin America was, among other things, to tell them to knock it off or he would begin excommunicating them. And eventually he did kick a few out.
I see a nasty streak of LT in the Franciscans here in upstate NY. But the Bishops seem to have a pretty good handle on it, so its mostly just individual priests and friars working independently. One friar in the diocese even proudly proclaimed he studied under Saul Alinsky.
Once the mission to rid the USCCB of all Bishops who covered up the pedophile priests – and I think that's just about finished – I think we'll have a good solid group.
Remember how Nancy Pelosi used to spout off even the Church wasn't completely decided the abortion issue? Notice she doesn't do that any more. That's not an accident. She got called on the carpet by I think the Archbishop of Denver. I imagine that was a very uncomfortable meeting.
There's no way they can give it up. It's perhaps the corner stone of their entire theology. God so loved the world, he gave his only son. That's the basis for entire idea of the sanctity of human life from the moment of conception to natural death.
It'd be like the NFL deciding to use a hockey puck instead of a football. It just will not work, everything else falls apart.
Kissinger was a commie? He was a very defensive Sec. of State who underestimated western, specifically American resolve and overestimated the power of the USSR, that giant potempkin village. But a commie? Nah.
And what was John Paul II's reaction to that? Once he was well again he went to the prison to make peace with the shooter and forgive him. Now that's class.
It reminds me of a past Archbishop of Chicago, the name escapes me at the moment. Some guy dying of AIDS accused him of personally abusing him as a child. I think it even went to court but was thrown out.
All the while he was dying the Bishop kept visiting him, consoling him, talking with him. The Bishop was even at his bedside when he died, hearing his last confession, and giving him last rites.
During his last confession he admitted he made it all up. The Bishop forgave him.
Based on your statements, I'm assuming that by "socialism" in this context you mean state socialism, a la Otto von Bismarck and, later, Hitler. If so that makes more sense in a perverse way, since that is a very paternalistic kind of socialism, with those at the top of society staying where they are. I would point out, though, that the split in Germany occurred well before the post-WWI troubles, with the split in the SPD between doctrinaire Marxists (Karl Kautsky, Rosa Luxemburg) and moderates (Eduard Bernstein) who recognized that his theories weren't going exactly as planned, and maybe they could get the benefits of socialism without the risk of revolution, that is through parliamentary means. Neither group, as you say, ever forgave the other.
As far as Russia is concerned, read some of Richard Pipes' stuff on the Russian Revolution, if you haven't already. He basically makes the same points you do, and says the oppressive Soviet system was really a blending of Marxism and traditional Tsarist autocracy.
It is a bastion, and its not going anywhere soon. Following the AARP its the largest organization in the US.
Thanks for replying! I've never communicated with a big-name actor before, so this is kind of cool. Truth be told, I had little hope for Canada, but if they rouse themselves like you say, who knows? Could get interesting. And to hear they have a freer economy right now than the U.S. of A….well, I don't know what to think about that.
….yes, I believe it was Cardinal Joseph Bernardin who bore that particular cross with grace and love…..
What I've found is if you can find the right parish, it makes all the difference in the world. We left one because of new management that we could no longer stomach. After searching around we found another where the difference is night and day.
A parish is run by the pastor, but its the congregation that drives it. I always used to view church as a chore, something we have to do. But at this new parish, we want to go. The positive energy is so great you can feel it.
There is a major change in the Church these days. With the clergy shortage, there is a whole new dynamic coming into play. The laity are taking over running the parishes because the Diocese simply don't have the numbers to run it the way they used to.
When I was a kid our Diocese had like 350 priests, today we're at about 160, and it's predicted to drop to 75 or so. There is no choice but to hand over more and more control.
It's all changing, which means now is the time to act to make sure the progressives don't take the reigns.
Here's where I got my education in unraveling Marxism as a valid ideology. http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Works-Marxism-Art...
I found the extensive forward before each essay to be extremely educational.
Kissinger is heavily into world government crap nowadays, and he once referred to men and women in the military as "dumb stupid animals." He's a piece of human garbage, and I have no idea why he's treated with the amount of respect he receives.
Thank you for defending our church. It is way too easy to find Catholic haters out in the world.
I think that's the Bishop, thanks for the clarification.
As with any type of thinking, it can be used for good or evil. When Catholicism is used by good people, great things can happen.
I believe I agree with you about 10,000% on that one.
It's an interesting dichotomy, humans want to control others, yet they don't want to be controlled by others.
I would just like to say that long ago there was a plan by the soviets to infiltrate the Catholic church in order to "bring it down" and I'm just wondering if maybe all of these priests who have been accused/charged with child molestation aren't part of that plot. I mean what better way to bring down a pillar of the community then these sorts of allegations, for any entity.
In my opinion, it seems kind of like a stream of conscience style. I use it myself from time to time.
Run the thoughts through one's head for several cycles, polish the points that need work, then sit down and let it flow out.
While it can result in what appears to be disjointed, over all it presents a larger idea, which can also at times be very good.
Then again, I'm a big Bob Dylan fan. Try reading through the lyrics of Ballad of a Thin Man, or Desolation Row, some time.
Liberation Theology isn't supposed to be used in a way that makes it equal to Church teaching on the sanctity of life or stealing or killing. Pope Benedict has come out against that.
Communism and Socialism are systems that believe that Government is the solution to all problems which trumps the Church's view that God is the solution– which is why Communists and Socialists are generally against the Church. Communism and Socialism say that there can be "perfect" equality and a utopia here on earth. Catholicism says that this world is not perfect and that utopia is in heaven.
The Church isn't swamped with these theologians but it's been hit hard.
I think there's a push back. I attended the March for Life this year and was shocked by the amount of young people there. It was a beautiful thing.
There are some very principled groups who are forming Priests in the faith– they've come under attack at times by the media but they are out there.
not sure the Protestants would be any better, the United Council of Churches is as Progressive as anything Soros believes in.
No, real, true Catholicism- another order than the Jesuits- would do just fine…
Think I've heard of that before. I'll have to check it out when I get the chance (and money).
By the way, on a side note, how come you and most everyone else is able to write those really long posts? Whenever I try to write one that size, the computer tells me I have to break it up into multiple parts. Just wondering…
in the Catholic church? No one comes to mind, but we're sure that someone- we do like the Priest who weighs in on FOX
Father Jonathan Morris, is a pure Catholic and a deep thinker as well. Great question, it's kind of like asking who is today's Jefferson or Hamilton. When Beck and Palin are the front of the movement these comparisons are tough…
".. consider Kissinger, without question, the single most valuable asset to World Communism and the decidedly Marxist New World Order."
I wholeheartedly agree. That excuse for a statesman destroyed our credibility. Yet he is praised as a keen negotiator.
As to the Catholic Church, it will survive once it gets back to its roots and throws politics out the window..
Intense Debate likes Portuguese house boy jokes.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
I think the higher the "p" count, the more latitude we're allowed. So I just gave you a thumbs up to help bump you up.
I'm betting it will rise to the occasion again.
Only if American Idol isn't on.
"The Tea party…and Fox News' Glenn Beck" This may be off topic but seeing Beck's mention in an article about the Church brings up my blood pressure. In my opinion, Beck has no love for the Church. For someone who says he researches all his facts he certainly spews some anti-Catholic nonsense on occassion.
The Catholic church needs to stay strong regarding collectivism. The Fatima miracles predicted the rise of communism and its murder of millions.
However, a powerful liberal sect within the Church advocates redistribution of wealth and environment issues. Catholic and Jesuit universities will even rent space for communists to sell their books (When I asked a communist how he can reconcile the use of capitalism to spout his collective beliefs, he didn't have an answer) . Considering how destructive all forms of collectivism are, it's disingenuous for these schools to offer any leeway for collectivism.
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/09/the-pfleger-...
As a 'fallen catholic' searching for a non-Catholic church, this post makes me wonder if I need to fight for my church back… Hmmm… The ones here in Hollywood have tinges of progressivism and south of the border victimhood. So I'm torn… definitely torn.
My advice: Look for a church where they still say the old Latin Mass once in a while. Liberal Catholics tend to avoid the TLM as if it were the bubonic plague.
Have more faith.
They may enjoy innocuous entertainment during down time, but I still believe it exists.
America is about what, 2 – 5% of the world's population but we generate 50% of the world's economy. That would not be possible if the vast majority of Americans were sitting around on their butts collecting welfare checks.
They are out there, working, living, raising families, attending church, supporting their communities. They generally don't make a stink because they're busy.
I get the feeling a stink is brewing.
Now, do you genuinely believe the crap you write or are you passing your time on the way to death by spewing such nonsense onto the internet?
Now, do you genuinely believe the stuff you write or are you passing your time on the way to death by spewing such nonsense onto the internet?
Praise Jesus!
We can't forget Bella Dodd. As catholicfundamentalism.com points out, maybe too frequently, after Bella Dodd left her high position (#3 or #4 in CPUSA), she became a Catholic, and testified publicly that "The Communist Party had put over a thousand men into the priesthood." They, and those they brought in, are at the heart of every scandal from liberation theology to child abuse.
The Church is standing firm against all evil, and only needs to excise these foul and evil men who have infiltrated in order to destroy the Body of Christ on earth. Things are getting better.
It is a mistake to equate the Catholic church with Christianity. Although many of the beliefs/policies of the Catholic church are supported by the Holy Bible, far too many are based on past writings of Popes. I've read through the Bible about six times now, and have yet to find any support for what is presently called the Catholic church. The one verse often quoted by Catholics as justification for the Catholic church (where Jesus calls Peter "rock", and links the foundation of His church to Peter; sorry I don't have my Bible with me to look up the verse) is taken out of context. It is the faith of Peter that is the foundation of the church (fellowship of believers), not Peter himself. The family traditions associated with Catholic church membership has apparently prevented most Catholics from analyzing their own beliefs for far too long. Just read through a Bible and see if you still think what you have been told about the Catholic church is true. Many Catholics have been freed from the bondage that the Catholic church has on them. Let Jesus be your Lord and He will set you free!
As a Roman Catholic who was an alter boy during the days before Vatican II. I was taught my religious beliefs during and after Pope Pius XII who the leftist malcontents have tried to destroy his legacy. He was the last of the Popes that held onto the 1959 years of Roman Catholic Tradition. I just want to state that Pope Pius help many Jew escape to freedom. He held the head Rabbi of Rome who was so impress with what Pope Pius did to protect the jews, that this Rabbi became a Catholic. This is a fact that the mad dog leftist love to ignore.
As a kid I love going to Mass, receiving the sacraments and being part of this huge Catholic faith which I feel is the one true Church and I will explain why as best as I can. The Roman Catholic Church is one of the biggest in the world. It is the only one with a Pope that wears the shoes of the fisherman Simon Peter. Jesus himself picked Peter to be the head of HIS Church. What grew out of this was the Roman Catholic Church for 1500 years there was only one Church. Even Sir Thomas Moore said that the line of Popes are our only physcial link on earth to Christ. The Blessed Mother is revered in this Church, she is the protector of the Catholic Church.
We all know that all Churches are run by humans and we are all sinners. We know this, God knows this. So this means that the Church isn't perfect and if anyone who thinks that is a twit. The purpose of the Roman Catholic Church is to spread the 'GOOD NEWS' the Gospel because Gods plan is for all of us to know his word so we can all get into Heaven. He also gives us free will, which it really total complete freedom to think, do and say anything we want.
Of all the Churches in the world the Catholic Church is the BIG TARGET. The devil attacks this Church and Catholics all over the world, just as the Jews are attacked because they are God's chosen people. Since the reformation which I feel God allowed or it wouldn't have happen both Christians and Catholics are attacked by the non-believers. The world doesn't attack Budda, shinto, Hindu, or even Islam. They attack the Catholic Church where sits the Vatican on the bones of Peter and all the early Christians that gave their lives up in the arena in order to convert the pagans to Christ. If the Catholic Church wasn't the one true Church that why do they get all these attacks?
My Church has had problems as all Churches and religions have had. We are humans, we are all screw ups. The cancer of leftist liberalism has infected my Church since Vatican II. I believe that Pope John XXIII had some great idealistic dreams to modernize the Church and he lost control to the Marxist, Commies, gays you name it. This is way I feel he died when he did. Now the Church is filled with the smoke from Hell as Pope Paul VI said. But we all have to remember this….. Christ told Peter, ' upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not PREVAIL"
He never said they wouldn't bust our chops, aggravate the hell out of us for centuries, cause problems, cost lives, cause evil, he just said THEY WOULD NOT PREVAIL. Christ predicts the future here and tells us we are going to win and defeat evil.
I still love my Church, I don't go anymore since they brought in those girls with the cat glasses that sang off key for those so called folk Masses to bring in the kids for Mass. Now, when I go to a Catholic Mass I feel like I am in a Protestant Church. No offense to my Protestant brothers and sister. if I lived In Malibu, I'd join Mel Gibson's Church just to hear a latin mass again and received the Host from and alter rail and not standing up holding your hand out. I grew up and NO ONE could touch the Host, now anyone can give Communion, it kind of cheapens it for me.
Why did the greatest generation allow their useless baby boomer generation change what was working to what wasn't and still isn't working. The Church needs a new birth in religious dogma and we must go back to the strict traditions that made the Catholic Church the greatest Church on earth.
I think we also need to be careful about how Christians (and I'll use the typical Western definition of the term) are to act versus how they act in society. Some European commentators have attempted to use, for instance, St. Basil the Great's letters in support of pseudo-Marxist leanings. However, what is often overlooked is that we, as Christians, are to behave in what some might "shade" as Marxist – to give freely, to never insist on return, etc. That said, the Apostles also tell us in the NT that we are NOT to live off of "the bread of idleness." We are to work, and to live according to the laws of whatever government we live under (insofar as they don't conflict with the Faith). The fact that St. Basil often wrote letters chastising fellow Christians of his parish, who happened to be government officials, does NOT mean that St. Basil was a "proto-Marxist." After all, in NONE of his letters does he deign to *command* any government official to do anything. He simply reminds them of their duties *as Christians*, and exhorts various kinds of behaviors/responses based on belonging to the Church – the Body of Christ. These are behaviors that even we, today, can adhere to.
I think a lot of the left-leaning members of the Church and various sects of Christianity often confuse these things and do not keep a proper perspective on the interaction of Church and state. Even in Byzantium, there was no theocracy. At the same time the Emperor was supposed to be the "first civilian of the Church," to lead by example and to live the Faith within the Church. That was why some bishops could write with what many historians today misconstrue as "commands" (using bad historical analysis – viewing original Christian mentality with modern, Western dualism) to the Emperor or other government officials.
the sinner,
Patrick
To see my beautiful religion being morphed into a "bureaucracy" and choosing to "market" itself in order to please the masses is terrifying. I honestly hadn't gone far enough in my thought process I guess to see the link with the Marxist/Communist agenda. Maybe I didn't want to – the hate constantly spewed at Catholics was disturbing enough. To see/hear clergy constantly have to defend the position of the Church on Abortion, etc to it's congregation shows just how weak some of it's members have become.
And the scariest part (as a parent) is to see how the children are being forced to choose at younger and younger ages as public schools do all they can to destroy their religious basis of beliefs and take away the rights of parents. The Church has it's work cut out for it and less and less priests to lead it. I pray for strength for those that are called (fewer and fewer that they are).
Oh, and thank you for the great article!
Arrrggghhh! and Thank you, respectively.
"I'm praying Israel can hold on till America shows Obama the exit sign."
Me too, EdSki – with all my heart.
You nailed it. My own personal theory is its a simple ploy to return the state of being for nation states to a time of feudalism, where a select few held all the resources and could crack a whip over the peasantry and to do it without that pesky intervention of someone named "Christ" or "church."
Getting in touch with my Catholic faith has definitely made me more politically conservative. One thing I love about the Catholic Church as opposed to others is that it is not dependent on the whims of a pastor, who by nature of being human is imperfect. Once I was able to look past the people (especially the ones not truly living the faith), I was able to see the beauty in the teachings that have existed for centuries. The biggest thing Catholicism and political conservatism have in common is a focus on the individual. as John Paul II often spoke of "the dignity of the human person." I believe this is also a pillar of political conservatism.
God bless you on your search. But if you decide to leave, we won't behead you!
Might I suggest a Catholic Church that uses the Anglican Rites? There is a church in Houston that does – Our Lady of Walsingham. I am no longer with the RCC (being part of the Anglican Catholic church) and found the use of the Book of Common Prayer 1928 a beautiful way of worshipping God. I dont know if there is a similar church in LA, but the addition of the Anglican Rite I think returns the RCC to its ancient traditional beauty and returns the focus to its original purpose: adoration of our Creator and Christ.
Pelosi's foolish meeting with the Pope spelled out her treasonous idea of Catholicism. He lectured her on the meaning of abortion.
Like talking to a wall.
The entire Progressive Movement is as insane as Hitler was.
And as psychotically criminal as Mao.
Ergo, it is, without a doubt, the most evil movement within the entire history of the earth. It's hypocrisy … wolves … no, reptiles in smiling, Clintonesque clothing.
GB,
M
In the end, we will win. Such is prophesied not only in the Bible but previously revealed in American history.
GB,
M
He's … or she … is out there, I'm sure.
GG,
M
It's always been about power.
Cain killed Abel because he was jealous. He believed God showed more favor towards Abel because of his more abundant sacrifices. So he killed them to get the favor. Didn't work.
Not trying to get all religious on you here, but there's also a deeper meaning there too.
The oral history of the story dates back to when humans were beginning to settle down in the villages, that became cities, that became nations.
Abel was a farmer. He settled down. Had better luck with agriculture than Cain did with hunting and gathering. Which is why he was he had more abundant sacrifices.
In my opinion the tale also warns those tribes that choose to settle down had better worry about what the tribes that didn't settle down were up to.
Agreed.
Human nature's worst aspect. You will live as I say or I will force you to.
The polar opposite of its greatest aspect, I respect your right to live your life, even if I don't agree. "I Leave you peace, my peace I give to you." John 14:27
His silence on abortion is bewildering.
GB,
M
Hmmm … I wouldn't put it past the Communists to have done that purposely, infiltrating the Priesthood to disgrace it.
Sounds like perfect, Stalinist strategy. He clearly did that with the American performing arts and Hollywood, infiltrating them.
Infiltrating to do nothing but sabotage?
Yes … sounds like Alinsky 101!
God Bless,
Michael
Fr. Jonathan Morris is from an order that is very good at spiritual formation. There are a lot more young guys like him. It's funny because some of the older priests in their 60s and 70s are more liberal than the ones entering now.
On a side note I think that Christians should do more to stand together. While we do have inside baseball fights over religion at the heart of things the real fight is about the progressive agenda which wants all Judeo-Christian religions (and Mormons) out of the way.
Recently my priest said in his homily that "Christians are the counter culture". I think that's an amazing statement because when you're the counter culture you can do a lot. That's how the environmental movement started (among others). I think that's why Breitbart sites, Fox News and many other sites are doing so well. People are getting pummeled with culture that doesn't represent their life and they want to hear something different. Christianity, man! It's the new black.
Princess,
The Clintons have described themselves as Progressive Christians.
Pelosi and Biden are Progressive Catholics.
The entire theological category of "Christian" has been corrupted.
It's almost impossible to know who is who.
GB,
M
Dear Patrick,
Saint Patrick is my favorite Saint. Just saying. You're not "the sinner" either. We all are. Just saying.
From,
a Catholic, a sinner too but trying to find some forgiveness
What evolved through Wilson and FDR into the Clintonesque NUDGE is now becoming The Obama CLOBBER.
GB,
M
there is no doubt Chistianity is under assault…
Why? because the Christian Brotherhood of the Knights Templar created capitalism, and the religion never looked back. Other religions such as Islam or Buddhism are good with totalitarian constructs, so while the Progressives really despise ALL religion they can work with those who like statism.
The message of Christ is so lost, so perverted by those who would use Him to achieve their own selfish aims that many Christians aren't even certain WHAT it means. Ergo, the infighting.
Lets just say He came back to show us the Way out of this earthly realm, and died for us. If everyone could just buy that then let the dialogue begin…
In the first paragraph, you described William Clinton, who describes himself as a Progressive Baptist.
Can you believe that Rev. Billy Graham said Clinton would make a "great evangelist" and his wife Hillary a good President?
Where does that leave Graham?
GB,
M
these terms are antithetical to each other. One cannot be a Progressive- which is a heathen, face it- and a Catholic, or any other denomination.
Don't they call folk like that 'cafeteria Christians'? Like in 'I'll take some liturgy but hold the right to life, with a side order of capital punishment. Hold the wars of liberation, please'.
Something like that?
I'm pretty sure it goes back a lot further than that.
In my opinion, Cain basically told Abel he was going to be the favored one.
Maybe I should qualify it with "traditional" Christians? I believe the Clinton's are Unitarian and for the life of me I don't get that religion. Unitarian is like the "you pick em" of "christian" churches. And by that I mean you pick what makes you feel good to stand for. Maybe I am trying to say "conservative Christians". Christians who still believe in a moral code. Progressive Catholics and Christians do the same thing to the practice of Christianity that they do to the Constitution. They rest on the fact that Christian moral code is a "living breathing document" rather than a real truth and real moral law to live by that can't be changed by "feeling" differently.
But it's that kind of relativism (the Pelosi, Clinton, Biden, Kerry kind) that we have to stand up against. We can start the who's who list by finding out where they stand on abortion.
How about we just don't let people call Christmas "winter solstice" or Happy Holiday. For the life of me I don't understand why the progressives will take time off for Christmas when they don't believe in it. I don't take off of work on Earth Day.
To adopt the label of a progressive, one by necessity implies that something else is not progressive but rather retarded or incomplete. To be a progressive Christian (insert denominational name) is to imply that Christianity as taught in Scripture is retarded or incomplete. For example, progressive Christians who denounce the Scriptural prohibitions on homosexuality will often argue that those passages are outdated or cultural and thus retarded / incomplete and that we now know better. Please note that I do not use retarded as the common insult but rather in the true definition of something that is not fully developed.
One cannot be a follower of Christ [a Christian] and rejected the basic tenets of Christianity as outlined in Scripture.
President Clinton did make a great evangelist; however, he only evangelized for his own god – himself. Rev. Graham has grown less confrontational over the years and less likely to embroil himself into controversy. I do not agree with his approach. The apostle Paul was just as confrontational at the end as at the beginning of his ministry. The New Testament book of Jude demonstrates how the church is to respond to apostates like Clinton but unfortunately many churches have compromised with the world.
hey- a day off for a mooch is still a day off…
And all liberals are mooches. it's what they live for, to do as little as possible and have someone else pick up the tab.
But those would be nice starts…
And he was wrong!
GB,
M
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