Comments on: The Upside Of Socialism http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/01/10/the-upside-of-socialism/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:02:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jack Marino http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/01/10/the-upside-of-socialism/comment-page-2/#comment-35749 Jack Marino Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:07:08 +0000 /?p=7601#comment-35749 The difference between socialism and communism is the difference between seduction and rape Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth and socialism is the equal distribution of misery - Churchill The difference between socialism and communism is the difference between seduction and rape

Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth and socialism is the equal distribution of misery – Churchill

]]> By: Phil http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/01/10/the-upside-of-socialism/comment-page-2/#comment-35073 Phil Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:42:16 +0000 /?p=7601#comment-35073 Jack - "Telling us what a “minimum wage earner” would have to work to shell out FORTY PERCENT of their income, so that the government can give steal it to give it away to others is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time." No, listen, they CAN'T GET to the point where they'd have to shell out 40% of their income. Even if someone on the minimum wage worked 24 hours a day, seven days a week, their income tax would come to around 20% of their income. Yet here's what Michael had to say: "English minimum wage is anywhere from £3.40- £5.52 per hour, depending on your age. Then you pay roughly 40% in income tax." Michael's not just wrong on the rate of tax, he's not even close. Yet what I said is the stupidest thing you've read in a long time. "Socialism" has a meaning. Indeed, Michael's been good enough to start his article with a definition, it's just a shame neither he nor you took the time to read it. Jack – "Telling us what a “minimum wage earner” would have to work to shell out FORTY PERCENT of their income, so that the government can give steal it to give it away to others is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time."

No, listen, they CAN'T GET to the point where they'd have to shell out 40% of their income. Even if someone on the minimum wage worked 24 hours a day, seven days a week, their income tax would come to around 20% of their income.

Yet here's what Michael had to say:

"English minimum wage is anywhere from £3.40- £5.52 per hour, depending on your age. Then you pay roughly 40% in income tax."

Michael's not just wrong on the rate of tax, he's not even close. Yet what I said is the stupidest thing you've read in a long time.

"Socialism" has a meaning. Indeed, Michael's been good enough to start his article with a definition, it's just a shame neither he nor you took the time to read it.

]]> By: Humboldt Truth http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/01/10/the-upside-of-socialism/comment-page-2/#comment-30041 Humboldt Truth Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:36:35 +0000 /?p=7601#comment-30041 I want to party with the socialists, but live here in the good ole USA. The fourth of July parades in small town USA; our constitutional rights. I want to party with the socialists, but live here in the good ole USA. The fourth of July parades in small town USA; our constitutional rights.

]]> By: Useless Dissident http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/01/10/the-upside-of-socialism/comment-page-2/#comment-29905 Useless Dissident Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:18:17 +0000 /?p=7601#comment-29905 "Well, one of the few consumer products that was made in abundance in the old USSR was Vodka" Yea, made with sawdust usually. “Well, one of the few consumer products that was made in abundance in the old USSR was Vodka”

Yea, made with sawdust usually.

]]> By: Carolyn http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/01/10/the-upside-of-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-28657 Carolyn Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:27:50 +0000 /?p=7601#comment-28657 McGruther warns socialism is destroying England? Well, England's buddy to the north - Scotland - is being destroyed even worse. Thanks to socialist policies, Scotland now spends SIXTY-SEVEN PER CENT of its budget on 'public spending'. To put it in perspective, only Cuba and Iraq have more people on their state payroll than Scotland. (And we see how lovely that turned out for the first two.) Folks - read the link below because THIS is how the Obamanation plans to 'solve' America's unemployment. Be afraid. Be very afraid. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1112024/Scotland-course-state-dependent-country-world.html <b>"Scotland on course to being the third most state-dependent country in world"</b> By Daily Mail Reporter <i>Scotland is on course to become the third most state-dependent country in the world. Only Cuba and Iraq spend more taxpayers' money on public service, The Sunday Times reports. Economic forecasters predict that by 2012 public spending will rise to the equivalent of 67 per cent of Scotland's gross domestic product. In Cuba that figure is 81 per cent and in Iraq it is 87 per cent.. The findings are contained in a report by the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR), which says that the uneven spread of cash north of the border is putting an 'unfair burden' on English taxpayers and warns that the burgeoning Scottish public sector is 'unsustainable'. According to the findings of the study, commissioned by The Sunday Times, Scotland is ranked 20th in the world league table of the highest public-spending governments. In 2007-08, 56 per cent of economic activity flowed from public spending, compared with 43 per cent in the UK as a whole, which is ranked 42nd in the world. The figure for Scotland is expected to rise dramatically over the next three years due to a combination of higher unemployment and a shrinking private sector. One of the biggest drains on taxpayers’ money is the public-sector wage bill, which stands at £12billion, up 61 per cent since devolution, with almost one in four working Scots now employed by the state. Some £2.3billion is spent on pensions for public-sector workers, whose ranks have risen by 50,000 to nearly 600,000 in the past decade. Scots now receive £1,644 (22 per cent) more per head than their southern counterparts, up from £828 in 1999. A spokesman for the finance secretary John Swinney said the forecasts were overestimates."</i> McGruther warns socialism is destroying England? Well, England’s buddy to the north – Scotland – is being destroyed even worse. Thanks to socialist policies, Scotland now spends SIXTY-SEVEN PER CENT of its budget on ‘public spending’. To put it in perspective, only Cuba and Iraq have more people on their state payroll than Scotland. (And we see how lovely that turned out for the first two.)

Folks – read the link below because THIS is how the Obamanation plans to ’solve’ America’s unemployment. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1112024/Scotland-course-state-dependent-country-world.html

“Scotland on course to being the third most state-dependent country in world”

By Daily Mail Reporter

Scotland is on course to become the third most state-dependent country in the world.

Only Cuba and Iraq spend more taxpayers’ money on public service, The Sunday Times reports.

Economic forecasters predict that by 2012 public spending will rise to the equivalent of 67 per cent of Scotland’s gross domestic product.
In Cuba that figure is 81 per cent and in Iraq it is 87 per cent..

The findings are contained in a report by the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR), which says that the uneven spread of cash north of the border is putting an ‘unfair burden’ on English taxpayers and warns that the burgeoning Scottish public sector is ‘unsustainable’.

According to the findings of the study, commissioned by The Sunday Times, Scotland is ranked 20th in the world league table of the highest public-spending governments.

In 2007-08, 56 per cent of economic activity flowed from public spending, compared with 43 per cent in the UK as a whole, which is ranked 42nd in the world.

The figure for Scotland is expected to rise dramatically over the next three years due to a combination of higher unemployment and a shrinking private sector.

One of the biggest drains on taxpayers’ money is the public-sector wage bill, which stands at £12billion, up 61 per cent since devolution, with almost one in four working Scots now employed by the state.

Some £2.3billion is spent on pensions for public-sector workers, whose ranks have risen by 50,000 to nearly 600,000 in the past decade.

Scots now receive £1,644 (22 per cent) more per head than their southern counterparts, up from £828 in 1999.

A spokesman for the finance secretary John Swinney said the forecasts were overestimates.”

]]> By: Jack Bauer http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/01/10/the-upside-of-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-28565 Jack Bauer Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:35:26 +0000 /?p=7601#comment-28565 Phil -- talking bollocks. Must be a socialist. What are you on? The UK is SCREWED with taxes. Telling us what a "minimum wage earner" would have to work to shell out FORTY PERCENT of their income, so that the government can give steal it to give it away to others is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. They're earning the MINIMUM wage. Again, must be a socilaist. And you don't even mention the MASSIVE taxes that are not income taxes. Road, VAT, property TAXES, national insurance. The corrupt socialists have turned the UK into a cess pool of welfare stateism. Phil — talking bollocks. Must be a socialist.

What are you on? The UK is SCREWED with taxes.

Telling us what a “minimum wage earner” would have to work to shell out FORTY PERCENT of their income, so that the government can give steal it to give it away to others is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time.

They’re earning the MINIMUM wage. Again, must be a socilaist.

And you don’t even mention the MASSIVE taxes that are not income taxes.

Road, VAT, property TAXES, national insurance.

The corrupt socialists have turned the UK into a cess pool of welfare stateism.

]]> By: klausman http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/01/10/the-upside-of-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-28497 klausman Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:08:59 +0000 /?p=7601#comment-28497 JAMESSB...(The world is a handful of bullets, put in the right place behind the ear, from being a much better place.) I'VE GOT YOUR BACK BROTHER. JAMESSB…(The world is a handful of bullets, put in the right place behind the ear, from being a much better place.) I’VE GOT YOUR BACK BROTHER.

]]> By: Bosco http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/01/10/the-upside-of-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-28405 Bosco Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:40:47 +0000 /?p=7601#comment-28405 To talk about how detrimental socialism is just crying in your beer. The time for that was back during Bush's term. The Repub's took earmarks to a new level, both houses, when they should have been putting the brakes on Bush's spending. They didn't and I didn't vote for McCain, Romney, Huckleberry, etc. It's over, I will NEVER vote for another Repub, only for Conservatives, ones with a real track record, not those who proclaim their (new) faith when running. I will no longer "hold my nose" - "vote against Dems, rather than vote for a Repub." I no longer believe the Repub hierarchy and will not until everyone of them is replaced. If the country wants socialism, Bush handed it to them on a platter and Repub congress has worked towards it since Reagan. That's the way it is, fine, don't ask me to participate by voting for Repub's. To talk about how detrimental socialism is just crying in your beer. The time for that was back during Bush’s term. The Repub’s took earmarks to a new level, both houses, when they should have been putting the brakes on Bush’s spending. They didn’t and I didn’t vote for McCain, Romney, Huckleberry, etc. It’s over, I will NEVER vote for another Repub, only for Conservatives, ones with a real track record, not those who proclaim their (new) faith when running. I will no longer “hold my nose” – “vote against Dems, rather than vote for a Repub.” I no longer believe the Repub hierarchy and will not until everyone of them is replaced. If the country wants socialism, Bush handed it to them on a platter and Repub congress has worked towards it since Reagan. That’s the way it is, fine, don’t ask me to participate by voting for Repub’s.

]]> By: Robert Jay March http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/01/10/the-upside-of-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-28397 Robert Jay March Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:38:39 +0000 /?p=7601#comment-28397 As the late Steve Allen once opined to an audience of ChiComs, "Under Capitalism, man exploits man. Under Communism, It's the other way around." They didn't get it. As the late Steve Allen once opined to an audience of ChiComs, “Under Capitalism, man exploits man. Under Communism, It’s the other way around.” They didn’t get it.

]]> By: Phil http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mmcgruther/2009/01/10/the-upside-of-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-28137 Phil Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:39:14 +0000 /?p=7601#comment-28137 Wait, did you just try to make the case that the congestion charge is socialist? Or possibly that immigrants are socialist? For sure you just said that the UK is socialist, which would be news to the socialists here. People earning the minimum wage aren't paying 40% income tax. £6,000 a year is tax free The next £35,000 is taxed at 20% Anything about that's at 40% Minimum wage is £5.52, you would have to work over twenty hours a day, seven days a week, every day of the year to get to the point where you were paying 40% on anything at all. Wait, did you just try to make the case that the congestion charge is socialist? Or possibly that immigrants are socialist? For sure you just said that the UK is socialist, which would be news to the socialists here.

People earning the minimum wage aren’t paying 40% income tax.
£6,000 a year is tax free
The next £35,000 is taxed at 20%
Anything about that’s at 40%

Minimum wage is £5.52, you would have to work over twenty hours a day, seven days a week, every day of the year to get to the point where you were paying 40% on anything at all.

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