Bored Bloggers Are All Wet
by Mancow MullerI am not a magician. Many news cameras were there!
Obviously, it was on the radio and I wasn’t in prison. I’m also not a radicalized Muslim terrorist. But it was not a hoax! I repeat: NOT A HOAX.
We kept telling management, the insurance companies, and the local Chicago cops we weren’t really going to do it until we did. Otherwise, they weren’t gonna let us do it! We got a U.S. Marine that told us he had studied how to do it and he volunteered to waterboard me in return for a mention of his charity.
I was on a decline and I was waterboarded. Was I in chains? No. Does that make it less real? I am failing to get the point attempted by my detractors. We never claimed it was an exact recreation.
The CIA technique is exactly what we did:
1. Keep the chest elevated above the head and neck to keep the lungs “above the waterline.”
2. Incline the head, both to keep the throat open and to present the nostrils for easier filling.
3. Force the mouth open so that water can be poured into both the nose and mouth.
Sorry, I thought for years it wasn’t torture and now I do. The video is there for all to see.
The left has taken my message and distorted it as well. Would I waterboard to save my daughters (or any American children)? Yes!
The three terrorists that were waterboarded at Guantanamo were done so by military professionals. And it was done to save lives with America’s best interests at heart. Mine was a silly radio time filler in comparison. It’s apples & hand grenades!
It would be insane to equate what I did with anything that happens in prison. I am simply a free man in a radio studio that always tries to get inside the big issues. This is an ugly issue with no easy answers. But I now see it’s easier for some to dismiss me than to do any real soul searching on this very heady issue.
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sorry budding, you're on your own. I don't think anyone, on the right or the left, is going to come to your defense. You made a fool out of your self. You go on Olby's show to prove your bonafides to lefties and you think anybody's going to defend you now? HAHA, good move on your "waterboarding". I'm sure it was torture. Heh!
ManCow
I appreciate you doing this. I think is is important that a few people put their money where thier mouth is.
I realize it is different from the actual procedure but I do not have access to many others who have been though this. I have not had it done to me so I can't answer these questions:
Do you believe that waterboarding is beyond the threashold of techniques we should apply?
You have said it is torture, but you are willing to use it under certain circumstances. Would you use anything harsher? if so what?
Where would you rank waterboarding on a continum?
I am glad to see that theis procedure while unpleasant, does have a quick recovery time.
I wonder why you did not follow through with the Interview with Mark Davis. He said someone from your show contacted him to reply to his comments. For some reason the scheduled simulcast did not happen. I'd like to see it be rescheduled.
Do the names Nick Berg or Daniel Pearl ring a bell? If only they had been waterboarded…
Dude, you're an idiot, and you played right into the Left's hands. Of course it's a bad experience. Why should anyone volunteer to go through it? We do it to terrorists! You added zero to the debate except to make idiots like Olbermann feel more smug.
Also, it's worth nitpicking: elevating the legs does not elevate the lungs when the rest of you remains even. Additionally, since when does waterboarding involve pouring water directly into the nose and mouth without any sort of covering? At least the idiot NYU kids waterboarding each other every day in Union Square do it properly, but unlike you, they're not trying to be publicity whores — they're just stupid.
Look, I was never a fan when you were a Howard Stern/Steve Dahl-esque shock jock, but whatever. That was your business — I didn't care. Everybody's got to make a living. And I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt when you decided to become a political talker, but you've proven that you're just as much of a phony showboater now as you've ever been. The only difference is that now you're pretending to be some kind of conservative.
Knock it off! The stakes are too high for you to be goofing off with short-attention-span videos loaded up with heavy metal guitar riffs. It's not a bit, you imbecile! You're giving fuel to people would prevent us from doing this to save lives! You whine now that the Left has distorted your "message," but they were able to do that because you got down on your knees in front of them and screamed "DISTORT ME! DISTORT ME!"
And then you come here and pithily call us "bored bloggers." Well, you know why we're bored, Mancow? Because your attention-whoring is tired.
You're a disgrace.
I'd rather see Blago get waterboarded.
I was on a decline and I was waterboarded.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Thanks to people like you and other looney, leftwing liberals, the bad guys know what we do to get information from them. They'll develop ways to defeat those methods.
Pouring water on their faces isn't tortue. Hacking someones head off with a knife is.
And, being forced to choose between burning to death from spilled jet fuel, or jumping a hundred stories from a burning skyscaper is the worst kind of tortue.
Here's a quarter, call someone who cares.
Mancow
Torture? I have always suggested that CIA should re-create the techniques used by those who enjoy torturing for their own for sexual pleasure; plus the torturers have all the accouterments necessary to get the job done, ie whips, chains, ropes, stuff to hang people from the ceiling, chairs to tie people into, cages etc, etc.
Plus, President Obama could assign a Dominatrix Czar to oversee the sessions…perhaps Bill Maher, he already has a fitted Dog Collar and he loves watching people beaten to a pulp…does it everyday through his words and his deeds.
Waterboarding is puritanical compare to the torture going on inside American S & M Clubs. Plus, all the photos could make the cover of Vanity Fair, Vogue, and Rolling Stone magazine.
Sorry one other S & M torture accoutrement left off the list…battery with cables to connect to the guy's balls so he can get a hard-on.
This procedure probably technically qualifies, but I doubt any civilized person actually enjoys the concept of torture. That said, back a couple of centuries ago, European armies would wear bright uniforms, play military music while marching into battle against the opponent's uniformed military. Those we are at war with today specialize in attacks against NON-COMBATANTS. They love to put their rocket batteries in hospitals. For this reason alone, I feel normal military rules of conduct need not apply in dealing with them. In Iraq, our military put themselves at extra risk just to try and minimize civilian casualties. Waterboarding Al Queda does not put our military at any greater risk than they already are in. Cutting back on military spending to redistribute our individual wealth does put us at greater risk because jihadists only respect striking back in kind.
You call it torture but are still willing to use it. Did it harm you physically? or just scared the s@$#t out of you?
Is making a threat torture? Is it torture if you are not harmed?
Thanks for trying to clear up these questions by really digging deep into the debate, but you failed horribly to do anything but look like a Jackass.
You're full of crap. It does save lives. To do this to a guy (and only 2 others) who woke up one morning and decided to fly some planes into some buildings and you still feel sorry for him. You're a twerp. There is NO danger to life in this. I do believe you would rather see another plane fly into a building as to not hurt the feelings of a terrorist. If those are the choices, he's going for a swim. You are someone I would deem as incredibly dumb.
*yaaawn* You libs really need to come up with a new tune. Not only is your current one depleted and moronic, it's actually becoming laughable. Nothing but pure BDS talking points. You can't factually
prove any of this drivel…still.
I'm still not convinced I would classify this as torture, although I do appreciate Mancow's willingness to make himself the subject of an experiment to gain to first hand experience, and I sympathize with his statement that it is 'absolutely torture'.
The question is not whether waterboarding is a horrendous experience. The question is whether satisfies a legal definition. Given that Mancow was able to recover so quickly, I have may doubts. He was clearly affected by it, but also regained himself just as fast. This hurts his case that it is 'absolutely torture'.
There is another aspect to this, which Mancow himself addresses… This isn't a perfect recreation of the technique, but I think as a demonstration appears to show closely enough how it works and what effect it has. The other issue is the subject… Mancow isn't protecting any secrets and he isn't planning attacks intended to innocents.
Would a mass murderer who would have no problem ripping the fingernails out of a six year old girl's hands in front of her father in order to gain valuable information regarding a potential target consider this torture? Something to think about. Uncomfortable, horrific, terrifying? Sure. But if we could devise a way to scare the ever living bejeezus out of someone without harming them, shouldn't we not do it when lives are at stake?
While one aspect of torture is that it is awful, the other is that it harms. Waterboarding appears to be scary as hell… but Mancow is not harmed.
While I disagree, I applaud Mancow for contributing to the debate in an honest and respectful way.
I believe it showed Mancow to be a puss. I would definitely accept a challenge to be waterboarded to make a decision myself. And drowning to death has always been my biggest fear.
ANTIFASCIST: Hasn't saved lives, eh? Funny that the CIA memos your brilliant leader has chosen NOT to release are the ones that detail their effectiveness.
Liberals have an odd habit of building their arguments on rather "soft' honesty.
His childhood drowning was probably the major factor in his impression of the procedure.
can't we just ignore the tortured idiots. it's the constant refrain of torture, torture, torture that's torturing me. how have these people convinced themselves they are so high and mighty?
I still have a hard time classifying something that people voluntarily subject themselves to as true torture. Let's visit any of the techniques used during the Spanish Inquisition to obtain confessions and ask ourselves if we would voluntarily undergo any of them for any length of time to prove to ourselve whether or not they are torture. How about any of the things that today's Islamic terrorists do to their prisoners when they catch them? Are there any of those things that you would volunteer to have done to yourself? I have little doubt that waterboarding is very scary and induces a panicked state of mind with little effort, but can you honestly say that something that causes you to flip out is torture? We routinely seek out experiences that induce panic; we call them amusement park rides and haunted houses. Sometimes we overreach and go too far with ourselves. Is that torture?
Good to see Mancow posting here.
Waterboarding works, just ask the mastermind of 9/11 Khalid Sheik Mohammad or Zubaydah.
Liberals aren’t opposed to waterboarding, they’re opposed to punishing our enemies and extracting information from them that could save American lives and the lives of others around the world. The democrat cretins would support having Rush Limbaugh and Cheney waterboarded so lets not give legitimacy to their feigned outrage.
So those e-mails were all fake , Mancow?
Dude, you're pathetic.
Hell, I volunteer to be waterboarded on all major TV networks during primetime.
Oh, and nice headline.
You and Gibbs should get married.
Blame the messenger
Am I the only one who thinks Mancow is saying "waterboarding" is torture so that he can say "Look how cool and tough I am, I've been tortured."?
Not to mention, your icon sucks. 20 to 1 you haven't studied the Civil War past the crap they fed you in government school; were not born in the South; and haven't bothered to even attempt to understand the fact that someone can be proud of their home's heritage while disagreeing with slavery. At least I don't celebrate Kwaanza and talk about how I wish I was back in my (African) 'motherland,' while sucking off the governmental ta-ta.
=== waterboarding is very scary and induces a panicked state of mind with little effort, but can you honestly say that something that causes you to flip out is torture?===
Agreed. When I was in Boston I was informed that the university I attended did not have fraternities or sororities. Apparently they used to have fraternities but several people died during hazing. One guy was put into a sealed coffin in some field, several others moved it and lowered it to give the person inside the impression he was being lowered into the ground and then the frat guys started throwing dirt on it to give to effect through the sound that the person inside was being buried alive. The person inside the coffin died of a heart attack. Makes waterboarding seem juvenile in comparison.
And even if it did save lives, so what? The United States committed genocide against the Native Peoples and Dick Cheney got 8 draft deferments from Vietnam, right?
This is all just a publicity stunt to get his name in places where it wasn't before. Take a look at this from Gawker: http://gawker.com/5272691/mancows-waterboarding-w...
Manbearpig is only promoting himself and now he's got the left and right hopping.
Dude, give it up. Your lame DJ publicity stunt is blowing up in your partially damp face.
Others have the incriminating emails detailing your hoax.
http://gawker.com/5271813/did-erich-mancow-muller...
Answer: You bet your ass he did.
A slightly different video from a few weeks ago for Mancow and the left wing trolls who enjoy coming to BH trying to sell us their BS:
http://www.iranpressnews.com/source/059029.htm
My friends and I invented a game called 'True or Not' where one tells a story and the others decide if its true or not. This is the point where everyone yells 'Not Not Not Not!!'
Hilarious. Finally, some good trolling!
So you were tortured? Will you offer yourself to have bamboo shoots nailed under your finger nails or maybe take some lashing from a bull whip? Maybe you could let us know which is worse.
I do not believe you would offer yourself to real torture…….Hence by agreeing to being water boarded it may not be torture.
But again the terrorist does not belong in civilization, so I believe that rules need not apply! So torture away!!!
is this considered torture? truthfully, I dont give a f***….I care about the people who will never have to have their throat cut on a plane, burn to death in a split second or jump from the 98th floor of a building. Call it whatever you want to call it. Call it the 'Jesus Saves Manuever', I dont give a crap. But when it needs to be done to save innocent life, whether US citizens or our allies, I WANT IT DONE. What part of this doesnt anyone seem to get??????? I dont care about bleeding heart liberals or any conservatives or republicans who dont like it: they have the satisfaction of being alive. Many dont. Damn it all, just do it.
"it's way worse than I thought it would be…and that's no joke."
oh man, this was ridiculous. hand over your man card. do it.
[...] today they’re saying it is a hoax, and a few hours ago Mancow posted at Big Hollywood to deny all charges. Read both Gawker items for the full rundown, but in a nutshell, they got hold of some e-mails sent [...]
I was a little disappointed with the love fest you and Olbermann had together the other night on his show. I was hoping for a comment from you about how he never has anyone on he disagrees with. I'll just pretend you did and it got edited out.
Hahahahaha
Nice
Torture??!!? Did I miss the part where they held your whole head under water while your lungs almost exploded and you passed out??? I guess not.
Go through what McCain and all the other POWs, including buddies of mine, went through in Vietnam or WWII and then come back with your stories of torture. Some of those POWs were tortured so bad they never got to set foot on American soil again. The lucky ones came back with psychological injuries that will never heal. I'm guessing any of those guys would have traded torture with Gitmo detainees – or you – any day.
I used to have some respect for you, man.
And Big Hollywood just lost a reader for giving this tool a mouthpiece. Bye bye.
to me torture would be something done slow, painful and making it of a long duration. This? No, its all mental. Real torture leaves alot more scars, on the outside and inside.
More from Gawker:
http://gawker.com/5272691/
Yup. Fake. Completely.
and many do not know that Khalid Sheik Mohammed was waterboarded many times. I have no sympathy for him anyway and since he did so well it cant be all that bad.
If Mancow is a puss for being waterboarded and calling it torture afterword, what is Sean Hannity for chickening out on the bet?
I suggest that every internet tough guy poster put up or shut up. Post video of yourself doing exactly what Mancow did, or admit that you have no grounds to comment on what the experience is like.
How about we just waterboard TERRORISTS?
Waterboarding is torture because YOU say it is? Don't make me laugh. Face it.; you're a sissy. The guy doing it to you did it WRONG!
Waterboarding was used on THREE PEOPLE. That's it. Three. And it worked. It brought VERY USEFUL information to light and prevented attacks on US soil.
You're not a Conservative. You're an idiot. And a sissy.
Sorry RobertB. The United States didn't commit genocide against anyone. Not more than the Indians did amongst themselves.
Yeah, I know they're not Indians, but they're not "NATIVE" either. They're immigrants from another country, just like ALL of your ancestors were. They're "Aboriginal Americans" if you want to be truthful about it (which you don't).
The Aboriginal Americans did EVERYTHING the Europeans are accused of: They waged war, took slaves, tortured prisoners, intermarried, shared disease and committed wholesale slaughter of wildlife.
Mancow, it would seem that your moment of clarity was short lived. You experienced 6 seconds of a fisher price version of waterboarding and cried like a baby. Many thought that you were cured of your stupidity. They were wrong. Drug addiction unlike douchebaggery is much harder to cure. Most crackheads have more character and are better Christians and Americans than you.
I noticed that you asked and accepted $4,000 more from Olberman ($1,000 per sec. for six sec.) even though the offer was for Hannity and not you. Now that you have reverted to your douchebag ways, do you plan to give the money back.
Now let's get real here, it was not really waterboarding they did on Sheik Mohammad. It really was only a bath, since he had never taken one he believed it to be torture. But ,the reality was the stench to the soldiers was much more torture than the Sheiks bath.
As for Mancow being waterboarded. Is it really torture when it is performed on a true idiot?
RobertB, you're obviously not informed enough to know that tens of thousands of Democrats ALSO got draft deferments. Many of them are in government today, but I don't see you criticizing them. When you show equal contempt for THEM, you'll have something approaching credibility.
[...] He has since appeared on Keith Olbermann (now that’s torture) and has posted on it over at Big Hollywood here. His post is entitled “Bored Bloggers Are All Wet.” Now this strikes me as a smidge [...]
ouchie….
Mancow, it would seem that your moment of clarity was short lived. You experienced 6 seconds of a fisher price version of waterboarding and cried like a baby. Many thought that you were cured of your stupidity. They were wrong. Drug addiction unlike douchebaggery is much harder to cure. Most crackheads have more character and are better Christians and Americans than you.
I would TORTURE to save my wife and children.
I've seen what the muslims do to capture US soldiers.
No mercy.
They take no quarter, why should we?
Many bring up the Berg beheading. If Berg were Muslim would you feel the same way? I think most of the commentators here would cheer it on. What does that say about them?
Gen. Petraeus said on Fox News today that the army field manual is sufficient to interrogate terrorists, and it expressly forbids waterboarding.
But he probably got turned homo by Obama, so we shouldn't listen to him anymore, rite?
The reason it isn't considered torture is because it does no permanent damage. All it does is make the person feel like they are drowning. But they do it with a doctor on hand and they aren't about to risk killing their captive. Is it scary? Sure. That's the point!
If you don't make a subject feel threatened, why would they reveal any info? And perhaps this is why some on the left are opposed to orture, since so many of them support totalitarian regimes. Maybe they want the other side to win,.
I agree with you in that I don't think anyone should be waterboarded to save your life or protect you in any way.
So it's fake but aquarate. Sure thing.
What a clever dodge!
Is General Petraeus a puss for opposing waterboarding? What vital information do you have about our interrogation practices that he does not?
YOU ARE STILL A FAKE
HA HA DOH!
Its not supposed to be fun! Its supposed to extract information!! read the Day of The Jackal for descriptions of what real state sponsored torture is. If this is waterboarding and that is torture then we have truly become a bunch of weak people who deserve to be wiped out. Damn, as a kid I got held underwater longer than that! Sheech, I've gotten beat up (for real) longer than that. Man this is so weak.
Mancow, it would seem that your moment of clarity was short lived. You experienced 6 seconds of a fisher price version of waterboarding and cried like a baby. Many thought that you were cured of your stupidity. They were wrong. I have more respect for drug addicts. Drug addiction unlike douchebaggery is much harder to cure. Most crackheads have more character and are better Christians and Americans than you Mancow.
I would torture Iriongauntlet's wife and children if there were a chance that it would prevent a future terrorist attack.
I wish I didn't have to say this each time I see one of your incohent, childish rants but you're so stooooopid. Spin the wheel of fish! And where's the pie imbicile?
That was incredibly lame Womancow. Face it dude, you got caught. To quote Joey Eichen "You're just gona have to suck on it and learn to like it!".
I was being sarcastic, fellas. Can I have my three thumbs back, please?
Buckwheat: better star using a DICTIONARY!!! Calling yourself "buckwheat" does not excuse you for poor grammar.
lol typo in "you can't spell" post
"Everything they have said has been revealed as a lie. Not a single American life has been saved by torture."
On what stone tablet did you find this revelation? Or was it beamed directly into your brainstem from the Mother Ship?
It wasn't a "dodge"; it was a dismissal.
You sure about your facts? Or is it that your little twisted mind is still buzzing from the crap the left leaning embiciles are shoving down your throat all the while decrying facism while parading a facist flag as an avatar? Are you stupid or schizophrenic? Do you understand the detritis you've been taught or are you just a parrot–repeating things that you 've heard but have no comprehension of? Don't bothering answering. I don't care what you have to say. I just demand you think!
I lost count how many times my college roommates poured water and/or beer on my face to wake me up from an all-night party. It was definately torture.
At least they didn't cut your head off using a series of knife strokes so you can feel every bit of pain before they hit a major artery. Or drive bamboo slivers under your fingernails. Or just cut those fingers off altogether. At the very least that Marine didn't necessarily do it to you for fun the way our enemies do it to our military members. You were waterboarded at your request. I pose a question: which is worse in your estimation–waterboarding or one of Obama's nebulous musings blithely referred to as "press conferences?" Press conference: NOW THAT'S TORTURE!
Mr. Cow,
Waterboarding is harsh but it is not torture.
I suggest you have your kneecaps shattered.
I suggest you have your thumbs smashed by a hammer.
I suggest you have your tongue cut out.
I suggest you have wooden splinters shoved under your fingernails.
I suggest you have your elbows tied behind your back and tightened until they touch.
I suggest you have an ice pick shoved in your ear.
I suggest you be forced to watch your children raped and murdered right in fromt of your eyes.
I suggest you be forced to watch while your wife is skinned and then burned alive right in front of your eyes,
Then you will have a frame of reference to compare waterboarding. You weren't harmed. Your were frightend. Fright is not torture. It is harsh.
You were either a sucker or you have exposed yourself as another closet liberal!
I don't understand what you were originally hoping to prove by this exercise. That waterboarding can be endured? What would be the point of that in this context? It is surely a given that the person undergoing waterboarding is expected to ask for it to stop, and then the interrogation can resume, with the suspected terrorist perhaps in a more compliant mood. It is not desirable, of course, but, as carried out under the Bush administration, it appears to have proved to be a controlled way of extracting information relative to a suspected imminent threat of mass murder.
In the context of government action, the word "torture", I believe, is commonly understood to refer to the attempt to obtain a criminal conviction by forcibly extracting a confession. This, however, is an inherently flawed method of "proof". Waterboarding, on the other hand, was applied in the forward-looking context of obtaining information about an imminent threat of mass murder.
Let me put it this way. If waterboarding was torture, was the shooting of the Somali pirates murder? Note that the (alleged) pirates were killed when they were presumed, but not proved in a court of law, to present an imminent threat to life.
If? this was torture Mancow, how are still able to talk about it so soon? Where is the damage, psychological? If it were that bad you would not be writing about and defending yourself, let alone looking for us to do it for you.
Mancow,
Yes, it is torture for a metro like yourself. Seriously, did you pray for it to end or did you pray for death? If you only wanted it to end then it's not really torture, it's just annoying.
mancow= epic fail.
As long as we both agree you have failed to address the point twice now, feel free to dismiss yourself.
jackinmaine said,
"Go through what McCain and all the other POWs, including buddies of mine, went through in Vietnam or WWII and then come back with your stories of torture." [Torture??!!? Did I miss the part where John McCain in Vietnam had his whole head held under water while his lungs almost exploded and he passed out??? I guess not.]
Present any evidence whereby John McCain had anything done to him by the Vietnamese that you would consider torture when done by an American to a detainee or STFU! Conservatives should always call what was done to McCain "enhanced interrogation" lest they be caught in a contradiction.
Dude, you're silly. You're painting with a broad brush and it makes no sense.
No one is opposed to getting information. What many are opposed to is using technics that are defined [by many] as torture. It puts us in a very bad light and makes us seem as bad as those we torture.
The reason also is because torture does not necessarily yield the answers we want. The reason is because when tortured people will tell you anything to make it stop. The CIA has said this many times as have people who are tortured.
Oddly enough it's been shown the use of sugar free cookies did the trick in one case!
Keeping America safe is priority #1. But not with anything goes.
It was a simulation of torture. You can tell the difference because in the video Mancow was able to stop the water being forced into his breathing passages, whereas someone REALLY having been tortured would not have been able to stop that from happening.
Do you understand the difference between real things and pretend?
Come on Kensington. Learn to debate a bit rather than 'dismiss' people.
Waterboarding is torture. Let's admit that first off.
Then we have to decide whether or not it is a warranted technique that works. I say it does not. Based on the info I have seen torture hurts people and does not get valuable information.
It seems to me he was doing this to A) get ratings and B) prove it wasn't torture.
However it must have been tougher to take than he imagined. So he went public to A) get more ratings and B) tell the world it was torture.
But your assertion here is a bit flawed. Yes, real waterboarding is torture. Period. The question is; does it yield vital information. Some say yes many more say no. I say no because when tortured people will tell you anything just to make it stop. The CIA has said as much.
Next, are you actually defending the Somali pirates against the SEALS actions? Are you claiming our SEALS committed murder? I think you are stretching to make a comparison and it doen't work.
Not everyone is worth debating, ModDem, and certainly not people who start off as RightFreedom has here.
Now, is waterboarding torture? I don't know, but I don't think that has to be settled in order to discuss whether it is warranted.
So is it warranted? Like most things in life, it depends. If waterboarding someone could have given us active intelligence that would have prevented say, 9/11, then I'd say yes, it is warranted.
Similarly, if it could prevent another 9/11, then I'd also say it would be warranted.
It's not a black and white issue, and I'm surprised I'd have to explain that to someone who is, presumably, a liberal.
Ha, ha. Didn’t I do that to my brother when I was 8? No seriously, I would never do that to a poor terrorist. I mean we have standards right? Sacrifice New York for one jihadi.
=== It puts us in a very bad light and makes us seem as bad as those we torture.===
Talk about silly. Listen Pollyanna, the world is made up of violent characters and violent nations. Do you see the Russians soiling their pants over crushing the muslims in Chechnya? Do you think they have any concerns over what the rest of the world thinks especially American liberal bedwetters? Thailand put a former assassin in charge of their military to combat their muslim terrorists. Do you think they care what you liberal green eunuchs think? They laugh at you pansies.
Leadership requires doing unpleasant things at times. The world is not an episode of Queeer Eye For The Straight Guy. Like all liberals your arguments are childish.
===Oddly enough it's been shown the use of sugar free cookies did the trick in one case!===
Child, Khalid Sheik Mohammad and Zubaydah did not talk until they were waterboarded. When your touchy feely methods were tried they scoffed and essentially said "go phuq yourself infidel." That's when they got a little water poured down their nose; Khalid started singing after 35 seconds. You’re in way over your head; you should stick to coloring books and finger painting.
Excellent comment. Might even be a good way to put perspective on this.
=== The reason also is because torture does not necessarily yield the answers we want. The reason is because when tortured people will tell you anything to make it stop. The CIA has said this many times as have people who are tortured.====
Child, you ignore the fact that waterboarding did provide critical information; information that was corroborated. Until these Islamic subhumans were waterboarded they did not talk. It’s noted how you refuse to acknowledge the facts and prefer to wallow in conjecture; how progressive.
Stupid much?
I agree with your other comments but are you saying we would cheer on an innocent muslim getting decapitated?
I am shocked that this publicity stunt blew up in Mancow's face. He obviously just wanted to get some insight into what being waterboarded was like, which is why he did it without any cameras or microphones in the room, and without any before or after publicity.
And to piggyback on comments from others, I would like to see enemy combatants forced to do 45+-second keg stands, and then let me know about water boarding. After waterboarding, I wonder if they have to suffer the indignities social indignities in the morning that follows regarding harpooning a whale?
[...] or not Mancow now believes it’s torture, should it STILL BE DONE TO TERRORISTS?", Mancow is QUITE CLEAR… [...]
The money was for military families.
Thanks Mancow – don't worry that some right wing knuckle-draggers have a lower opinion of you. I am glad someone came forward to shed some light on this issue. I'm not saying the water board book is now closed, but righties are always all talk and no action.
Mancow is and always be and ID 10 T error. Isn't he the one who had that great comedian (and alledged murderer) on his show. A sure way to get on MSNBC is pull this. The marine didn't hold him down long enough! Keep douches like this off Big Hollywood.
Good discussion, Satan; remember though that we are discussing individual prisoners and a situation where the decisionmakers, including Nitwit Nancy, knew our intel sucked; they knew we were in danger and had zip reliable info as to targets. Mind trick coercion does not work on the strong-minded and any info gained is unreliable without verification, but it works on the weak-minded, which describes the psyco,vicious, paranoid nutters in custody exactlly. Note your critics first deny it worked, an admission by the trolls that "worked" justifys all. Mancows story is flawed, but only because, first, it was not done by our intel pros thus was not targeted for either desired info or the individual and second, Mancow is not the psyco nuts targeted and thus his reactions are not theirs.
EdGi, I completely agree. It’s shocking and extremely dangerous that we have a large segment of the population that has no interest in self preservation. They’d rather dance to the nukes falling on their heads [picture the scene of people partying on the roof in Independence Day before being obliterated] than actually do anything that could prevent it. They’re happy to condemn others to death over their suicidal liberal sensibilities; or maybe they think nuclear missiles are filled with skittles.
I saw your response to one of my comments a few days ago, maybe a week. I didn’t have a chance to reply, my apologies.
I think most of the commentators here would cheer it on. What does that say about them?
Nothing, since your presumption is likely wrong. At best it's a clumsy strawman argument.
The problem with the scenario you present is you have to do the torture to know if it works. COULD it prevent another 9/11? Maybe. But how many people would you have to torture to maybe get that info? I mean, you are talking about a perfect scenario that most likely would not happen.
I just read where the CIA gave a suspect cookies for informaition. From that you get a whole different scenario. Lets load the terrorists up with sweets!
Anyway, I'm not willing the talk hypotheticals. Laws should be abided. Even with prisoners we particularly loath.
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