ManCow
I appreciate you doing this. I think is is important that a few people put their money where thier mouth is.

I realize it is different from the actual procedure but I do not have access to many others who have been though this. I have not had it done to me so I can't answer these questions:
Do you believe that waterboarding is beyond the threashold of techniques we should apply?
You have said it is torture, but you are willing to use it under certain circumstances. Would you use anything harsher? if so what?
Where would you rank waterboarding on a continum?
I am glad to see that theis procedure while unpleasant, does have a quick recovery time.
I wonder why you did not follow through with the Interview with Mark Davis. He said someone from your show contacted him to reply to his comments. For some reason the scheduled simulcast did not happen. I'd like to see it be rescheduled.

Dude, you're an idiot, and you played right into the Left's hands. Of course it's a bad experience. Why should anyone volunteer to go through it? We do it to terrorists! You added zero to the debate except to make idiots like Olbermann feel more smug.

Also, it's worth nitpicking: elevating the legs does not elevate the lungs when the rest of you remains even. Additionally, since when does waterboarding involve pouring water directly into the nose and mouth without any sort of covering? At least the idiot NYU kids waterboarding each other every day in Union Square do it properly, but unlike you, they're not trying to be publicity whores — they're just stupid.

Look, I was never a fan when you were a Howard Stern/Steve Dahl-esque shock jock, but whatever. That was your business — I didn't care. Everybody's got to make a living. And I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt when you decided to become a political talker, but you've proven that you're just as much of a phony showboater now as you've ever been. The only difference is that now you're pretending to be some kind of conservative.

Knock it off! The stakes are too high for you to be goofing off with short-attention-span videos loaded up with heavy metal guitar riffs. It's not a bit, you imbecile! You're giving fuel to people would prevent us from doing this to save lives! You whine now that the Left has distorted your "message," but they were able to do that because you got down on your knees in front of them and screamed "DISTORT ME! DISTORT ME!"

And then you come here and pithily call us "bored bloggers." Well, you know why we're bored, Mancow? Because your attention-whoring is tired.

You're a disgrace.

I was on a decline and I was waterboarded.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Mancow

Torture? I have always suggested that CIA should re-create the techniques used by those who enjoy torturing for their own for sexual pleasure; plus the torturers have all the accouterments necessary to get the job done, ie whips, chains, ropes, stuff to hang people from the ceiling, chairs to tie people into, cages etc, etc.

Plus, President Obama could assign a Dominatrix Czar to oversee the sessions…perhaps Bill Maher, he already has a fitted Dog Collar and he loves watching people beaten to a pulp…does it everyday through his words and his deeds.

Waterboarding is puritanical compare to the torture going on inside American S & M Clubs. Plus, all the photos could make the cover of Vanity Fair, Vogue, and Rolling Stone magazine.

This procedure probably technically qualifies, but I doubt any civilized person actually enjoys the concept of torture. That said, back a couple of centuries ago, European armies would wear bright uniforms, play military music while marching into battle against the opponent's uniformed military. Those we are at war with today specialize in attacks against NON-COMBATANTS. They love to put their rocket batteries in hospitals. For this reason alone, I feel normal military rules of conduct need not apply in dealing with them. In Iraq, our military put themselves at extra risk just to try and minimize civilian casualties. Waterboarding Al Queda does not put our military at any greater risk than they already are in. Cutting back on military spending to redistribute our individual wealth does put us at greater risk because jihadists only respect striking back in kind.

You're full of crap. It does save lives. To do this to a guy (and only 2 others) who woke up one morning and decided to fly some planes into some buildings and you still feel sorry for him. You're a twerp. There is NO danger to life in this. I do believe you would rather see another plane fly into a building as to not hurt the feelings of a terrorist. If those are the choices, he's going for a swim. You are someone I would deem as incredibly dumb.

I'm still not convinced I would classify this as torture, although I do appreciate Mancow's willingness to make himself the subject of an experiment to gain to first hand experience, and I sympathize with his statement that it is 'absolutely torture'.

The question is not whether waterboarding is a horrendous experience. The question is whether satisfies a legal definition. Given that Mancow was able to recover so quickly, I have may doubts. He was clearly affected by it, but also regained himself just as fast. This hurts his case that it is 'absolutely torture'.

There is another aspect to this, which Mancow himself addresses… This isn't a perfect recreation of the technique, but I think as a demonstration appears to show closely enough how it works and what effect it has. The other issue is the subject… Mancow isn't protecting any secrets and he isn't planning attacks intended to innocents.

Would a mass murderer who would have no problem ripping the fingernails out of a six year old girl's hands in front of her father in order to gain valuable information regarding a potential target consider this torture? Something to think about. Uncomfortable, horrific, terrifying? Sure. But if we could devise a way to scare the ever living bejeezus out of someone without harming them, shouldn't we not do it when lives are at stake?

While one aspect of torture is that it is awful, the other is that it harms. Waterboarding appears to be scary as hell… but Mancow is not harmed.

While I disagree, I applaud Mancow for contributing to the debate in an honest and respectful way.

ANTIFASCIST: Hasn't saved lives, eh? Funny that the CIA memos your brilliant leader has chosen NOT to release are the ones that detail their effectiveness.

Liberals have an odd habit of building their arguments on rather "soft' honesty.

can't we just ignore the tortured idiots. it's the constant refrain of torture, torture, torture that's torturing me. how have these people convinced themselves they are so high and mighty?

Good to see Mancow posting here.

Waterboarding works, just ask the mastermind of 9/11 Khalid Sheik Mohammad or Zubaydah.

Liberals aren’t opposed to waterboarding, they’re opposed to punishing our enemies and extracting information from them that could save American lives and the lives of others around the world. The democrat cretins would support having Rush Limbaugh and Cheney waterboarded so lets not give legitimacy to their feigned outrage.

Hell, I volunteer to be waterboarded on all major TV networks during primetime.

Am I the only one who thinks Mancow is saying "waterboarding" is torture so that he can say "Look how cool and tough I am, I've been tortured."?

=== waterboarding is very scary and induces a panicked state of mind with little effort, but can you honestly say that something that causes you to flip out is torture?===

Agreed. When I was in Boston I was informed that the university I attended did not have fraternities or sororities. Apparently they used to have fraternities but several people died during hazing. One guy was put into a sealed coffin in some field, several others moved it and lowered it to give the person inside the impression he was being lowered into the ground and then the frat guys started throwing dirt on it to give to effect through the sound that the person inside was being buried alive. The person inside the coffin died of a heart attack. Makes waterboarding seem juvenile in comparison.

This is all just a publicity stunt to get his name in places where it wasn't before. Take a look at this from Gawker: http://gawker.com/5272691/mancows-waterboarding-w...

Manbearpig is only promoting himself and now he's got the left and right hopping.

A slightly different video from a few weeks ago for Mancow and the left wing trolls who enjoy coming to BH trying to sell us their BS:

http://www.iranpressnews.com/source/059029.htm

Hilarious. Finally, some good trolling!

is this considered torture? truthfully, I dont give a f***….I care about the people who will never have to have their throat cut on a plane, burn to death in a split second or jump from the 98th floor of a building. Call it whatever you want to call it. Call it the 'Jesus Saves Manuever', I dont give a crap. But when it needs to be done to save innocent life, whether US citizens or our allies, I WANT IT DONE. What part of this doesnt anyone seem to get??????? I dont care about bleeding heart liberals or any conservatives or republicans who dont like it: they have the satisfaction of being alive. Many dont. Damn it all, just do it.

[...] today they’re saying it is a hoax, and a few hours ago Mancow posted at Big Hollywood to deny all charges. Read both Gawker items for the full rundown, but in a nutshell, they got hold of some e-mails sent [...]

Hahahahaha
Nice

And Big Hollywood just lost a reader for giving this tool a mouthpiece. Bye bye.

More from Gawker:

http://gawker.com/5272691/

Yup. Fake. Completely.

If Mancow is a puss for being waterboarded and calling it torture afterword, what is Sean Hannity for chickening out on the bet?

I suggest that every internet tough guy poster put up or shut up. Post video of yourself doing exactly what Mancow did, or admit that you have no grounds to comment on what the experience is like.

Waterboarding is torture because YOU say it is? Don't make me laugh. Face it.; you're a sissy. The guy doing it to you did it WRONG!

Waterboarding was used on THREE PEOPLE. That's it. Three. And it worked. It brought VERY USEFUL information to light and prevented attacks on US soil.

You're not a Conservative. You're an idiot. And a sissy.

Mancow, it would seem that your moment of clarity was short lived. You experienced 6 seconds of a fisher price version of waterboarding and cried like a baby. Many thought that you were cured of your stupidity. They were wrong. Drug addiction unlike douchebaggery is much harder to cure. Most crackheads have more character and are better Christians and Americans than you.

I noticed that you asked and accepted $4,000 more from Olberman ($1,000 per sec. for six sec.) even though the offer was for Hannity and not you. Now that you have reverted to your douchebag ways, do you plan to give the money back.

RobertB, you're obviously not informed enough to know that tens of thousands of Democrats ALSO got draft deferments. Many of them are in government today, but I don't see you criticizing them. When you show equal contempt for THEM, you'll have something approaching credibility.

ouchie….

I would TORTURE to save my wife and children.
I've seen what the muslims do to capture US soldiers.

No mercy.
They take no quarter, why should we?

Gen. Petraeus said on Fox News today that the army field manual is sufficient to interrogate terrorists, and it expressly forbids waterboarding.

But he probably got turned homo by Obama, so we shouldn't listen to him anymore, rite?

I agree with you in that I don't think anyone should be waterboarded to save your life or protect you in any way.

What a clever dodge!

Is General Petraeus a puss for opposing waterboarding? What vital information do you have about our interrogation practices that he does not?

HA HA DOH!
Its not supposed to be fun! Its supposed to extract information!! read the Day of The Jackal for descriptions of what real state sponsored torture is. If this is waterboarding and that is torture then we have truly become a bunch of weak people who deserve to be wiped out. Damn, as a kid I got held underwater longer than that! Sheech, I've gotten beat up (for real) longer than that. Man this is so weak.

I would torture Iriongauntlet's wife and children if there were a chance that it would prevent a future terrorist attack.

That was incredibly lame Womancow. Face it dude, you got caught. To quote Joey Eichen "You're just gona have to suck on it and learn to like it!".

Buckwheat: better star using a DICTIONARY!!! Calling yourself "buckwheat" does not excuse you for poor grammar.

"Everything they have said has been revealed as a lie. Not a single American life has been saved by torture."

On what stone tablet did you find this revelation? Or was it beamed directly into your brainstem from the Mother Ship?

You sure about your facts? Or is it that your little twisted mind is still buzzing from the crap the left leaning embiciles are shoving down your throat all the while decrying facism while parading a facist flag as an avatar? Are you stupid or schizophrenic? Do you understand the detritis you've been taught or are you just a parrot–repeating things that you 've heard but have no comprehension of? Don't bothering answering. I don't care what you have to say. I just demand you think!

At least they didn't cut your head off using a series of knife strokes so you can feel every bit of pain before they hit a major artery. Or drive bamboo slivers under your fingernails. Or just cut those fingers off altogether. At the very least that Marine didn't necessarily do it to you for fun the way our enemies do it to our military members. You were waterboarded at your request. I pose a question: which is worse in your estimation–waterboarding or one of Obama's nebulous musings blithely referred to as "press conferences?" Press conference: NOW THAT'S TORTURE!

I don't understand what you were originally hoping to prove by this exercise. That waterboarding can be endured? What would be the point of that in this context? It is surely a given that the person undergoing waterboarding is expected to ask for it to stop, and then the interrogation can resume, with the suspected terrorist perhaps in a more compliant mood. It is not desirable, of course, but, as carried out under the Bush administration, it appears to have proved to be a controlled way of extracting information relative to a suspected imminent threat of mass murder.

In the context of government action, the word "torture", I believe, is commonly understood to refer to the attempt to obtain a criminal conviction by forcibly extracting a confession. This, however, is an inherently flawed method of "proof". Waterboarding, on the other hand, was applied in the forward-looking context of obtaining information about an imminent threat of mass murder.

Let me put it this way. If waterboarding was torture, was the shooting of the Somali pirates murder? Note that the (alleged) pirates were killed when they were presumed, but not proved in a court of law, to present an imminent threat to life.

Mancow,
Yes, it is torture for a metro like yourself. Seriously, did you pray for it to end or did you pray for death? If you only wanted it to end then it's not really torture, it's just annoying.

mancow= epic fail.

jackinmaine said,

"Go through what McCain and all the other POWs, including buddies of mine, went through in Vietnam or WWII and then come back with your stories of torture." [Torture??!!? Did I miss the part where John McCain in Vietnam had his whole head held under water while his lungs almost exploded and he passed out??? I guess not.]

Present any evidence whereby John McCain had anything done to him by the Vietnamese that you would consider torture when done by an American to a detainee or STFU! Conservatives should always call what was done to McCain "enhanced interrogation" lest they be caught in a contradiction.

It was a simulation of torture. You can tell the difference because in the video Mancow was able to stop the water being forced into his breathing passages, whereas someone REALLY having been tortured would not have been able to stop that from happening.

Do you understand the difference between real things and pretend?

It seems to me he was doing this to A) get ratings and B) prove it wasn't torture.
However it must have been tougher to take than he imagined. So he went public to A) get more ratings and B) tell the world it was torture.

But your assertion here is a bit flawed. Yes, real waterboarding is torture. Period. The question is; does it yield vital information. Some say yes many more say no. I say no because when tortured people will tell you anything just to make it stop. The CIA has said as much.

Next, are you actually defending the Somali pirates against the SEALS actions? Are you claiming our SEALS committed murder? I think you are stretching to make a comparison and it doen't work.

Ha, ha. Didn’t I do that to my brother when I was 8? No seriously, I would never do that to a poor terrorist. I mean we have standards right? Sacrifice New York for one jihadi.

===Oddly enough it's been shown the use of sugar free cookies did the trick in one case!===

Child, Khalid Sheik Mohammad and Zubaydah did not talk until they were waterboarded. When your touchy feely methods were tried they scoffed and essentially said "go phuq yourself infidel." That's when they got a little water poured down their nose; Khalid started singing after 35 seconds. You’re in way over your head; you should stick to coloring books and finger painting.

=== The reason also is because torture does not necessarily yield the answers we want. The reason is because when tortured people will tell you anything to make it stop. The CIA has said this many times as have people who are tortured.====

Child, you ignore the fact that waterboarding did provide critical information; information that was corroborated. Until these Islamic subhumans were waterboarded they did not talk. It’s noted how you refuse to acknowledge the facts and prefer to wallow in conjecture; how progressive.

I agree with your other comments but are you saying we would cheer on an innocent muslim getting decapitated?

[...] or not Mancow now believes it’s torture, should it STILL BE DONE TO TERRORISTS?", Mancow is QUITE CLEAR… [...]

Mancow is and always be and ID 10 T error. Isn't he the one who had that great comedian (and alledged murderer) on his show. A sure way to get on MSNBC is pull this. The marine didn't hold him down long enough! Keep douches like this off Big Hollywood.

EdGi, I completely agree. It’s shocking and extremely dangerous that we have a large segment of the population that has no interest in self preservation. They’d rather dance to the nukes falling on their heads [picture the scene of people partying on the roof in Independence Day before being obliterated] than actually do anything that could prevent it. They’re happy to condemn others to death over their suicidal liberal sensibilities; or maybe they think nuclear missiles are filled with skittles.

I saw your response to one of my comments a few days ago, maybe a week. I didn’t have a chance to reply, my apologies.

The problem with the scenario you present is you have to do the torture to know if it works. COULD it prevent another 9/11? Maybe. But how many people would you have to torture to maybe get that info? I mean, you are talking about a perfect scenario that most likely would not happen.
I just read where the CIA gave a suspect cookies for informaition. From that you get a whole different scenario. Lets load the terrorists up with sweets!
Anyway, I'm not willing the talk hypotheticals. Laws should be abided. Even with prisoners we particularly loath.

You need a reading comprehension course, Dude.

I'm not the one conflating the after-effects of a torture simulation with the after-effects of ACTUAL torture, dude.

I'm for whatever works. in this case, KSM had information that was deemed essential, and he's no innocent.

That said, if cookies do the trick, get 'em cookies!

I just don't think it's wise to rule out something like waterboarding because it might be what's necessary sometimes (I'm okay with hypotheticals).

Bravo.

Mancow,

Now that you know exactly what waterboarding feels like, consider this hypothetical question. If you knew it would result in a permanent doubling of your ratings, would you go through it again?

No saving the lives of your daughters, no patriotic duty, just ratings. If you say you would do it again for the ratings, then it isn’t torture. It could be as unpleasant and even painful as you say, but if you'd even consider doing it again then it’s no worse than getting your chest waxed to promote “rainforest awareness.”

Am I the only one here who feels that SCUM like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who masterminded 9/11, should be tortured whether they have information or not?

3. Force the mouth open so that water can be poured into both the nose and mouth.

Mancow, you twit, you are supposed to cover the mouth with a cloth, etc, and pour water into it. You felt like drowning? No, stuff, pal, you WERE drowning! The point of waterboarding is to give the victim the psychological feeling of drowning, not do it for real!

Jeez, please leave these techniques to the experts. It would be like me asking Tim Geither to come do my 1040s at Tax Time.

The man says he'd waterboard to save his family, and he survived. By doing it (if he didn't do it right that's a different issue) props to you for actually finding out about something. And I don't care if it was for ratings…HE DID IT. He actually experienced something rather than taking the media's talking points. Good for you. By doing it you also let people here make some good points, one you volunteered (you wouldn't volunteer for a poke in the eye as another poster said) and you're fine now. If in it you made some uneasy who agreed with waterboarding, so what, you did it with some knowledge.

Anyone would do "what has to be done" in a REAL ticking time bomb scenario like the fictional ones cooked up on tv. But if it's not a ticking time bomb then other techniques are better than torture because you can actually trust the information. Don't believe me. Watch this video of the Senior Interrogator on the team that captured Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq contradicting Cheney's main lies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYov5o5_2s

You can't trust information from torture. Under torture they'll tell you where te bad guys are but not the booby traps, or they'll just say whatever will make it stop. The fact of the matter is that Dick Cheney ordered torture to cover his butt on the WMD lies, trying to coerce a false confession that Saddam was plotting with bin Laden. Cheney is a war criminal and the fact of the matter is that the backlash and undermining of our moral high ground puts us all at greater risk. Cheney handed a bin Laden his recruitment pitch. Dick.

And for your next parlor trick, you'll read the dog's mind. STFU when you have no clue WTF you're saying.

Also, talk to someone who's gone through SERE training. It's not a question of *IF* you'll break under torture, but *WHEN* you'll break under torture.

We know you are declining but I think that you meant "incline".

"You can't trust information from torture."

I'm going to leave aside the issue of whether waterboarding is torture and correct you about something else.

No information extracted by these "borderline" methods was acted upon without corroboration.

Harrison Ford volunteered to have his chest hair removed with hot wax to promote awareness of rainforest loss. I'm sure it was painful and that he didn't enjoy it.

But is hair waxing torture? I can't believe this is even a debate.

I'm with Nancy Pelosi on this one—-it's okay by me.

EXCUSE ME MR MANCOW DOUCHEBAG! I have written a series of articles over the last 2 weeks for the Santa Monica Daily Press http://www.smdp.com for my weekly Wednesday column "Going Postal" on my personal US Navy Cryptologic Aircrew experience as well as my fellow US Navy shipmates who participated in SERE training. Part III is this coming Wednesday if you possess the minerals to study up a bit.

Please note, no where have you ever mentioned your concerns for the "human rights" of the several thousands of US service members who underwent the very same training that you briefly experienced to use as a ratings bump for your show. Are you and Doberman Olbermann currently cottaging together to make sweeps week? Maybe you and Anderson Cooper are gargling the same tea bag, perhaps?

You are about as hardcore as a Karen Carpenter tribute band.

If you think that waterboarding is torture then please explain to me WTF is up with Nick Berg these days? Remember him? Please, do your next show on having YOUR own empty head SAWED OFF for our personal edification and then report back to us about how that's workin' for you. Maybe do a flow chart with a cross comparison.

If you are feeling so warm and fuzzy about the likes of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed then go ask him if he'll remove your clitoris. You can be one of his 72 virgins in paradise.

Pffft. People do not volunteer to undergo actual torture. The very fact that many have volunteered is proof that it isn't actual torture; the fact that all US Navy pilots, air crewmen, and SEALs must undergo waterboarding proves it isn't actual torture. I can tell you first hand as I was a Navy helicopter ASW air crewman. I went through SERE school in Maine. I was waterboarded and worse.

How many of these same people would volunteer to have their soles beaten; to have their arms tied behind their backs then hung from their wrists; have their finger nails ripped out; have their skin burned with a torch or acid; have their eyes gouged out; or have their genitalia connected to an electric circuit? ZERO! Why? Because those things are actual torture.

nice tolerance
maybe he has dyslexia or a missing finger
SHAME!!!!
why the hate?

Mancow is a pansy. What a girly wimp!

Thousands of military personnel undergo waterboarding in their TRAINING. I recently attended a cocktail party at the 1973 class reunion of The United States Air Force Academy graduates in Colorado Springs, who were laughing about being waterboarded during their training as students at the Academy.

I used to enjoy listening to Mancow but after seeing the pansy and his fake waterboarding on the trashy bathtub boys show, I've lost all respect.
Mancow's stupidity is no better than that of a hollywood halfwit. His creditibility is shot!

Just the fact alone that Mancow volunteered to do it on the air says that it is not torture. He may not have liked it, but nobody volunteers to experience what John McCain went through, bamboo under the finger nails etc. because that's truly torture.

Mancow, you went on Olbermann.
That proves you're just a publicity whore who sways with the political winds.

Obama can have you, because I'll never respect you, or listen to you, ever again.
Have fun with your new traitor friends.

Sorry, Mancow, you can't come here whining how waterboarding is torture, but it was used to save lives, after going on Olbermann's show twice saying how you would've said anything to make it stop. You essentially went to Keith Olbermann, the voice of the looney left, and told them they were right about waterboarding being ineffective.

I hope it was worth it to you, because you lost more fans than you gained with your stunt and subsequent reach-arounds to Olbermann.

Mancow did it all for publicity. Yeah it was real water, but everything else was staged.

He was so washed up in Chicago, that he had to BUY his way onto WLS. (nobody was listening to his small market syndicated show in Houghton Lake Michigan anymore)

The bright side is, you can now listen to the Number One host he squeezed off the air:

There's a REAL conservative on Chicago Radio from 9-11 again.

Jerry Agar WGN AM 720

Here's a good one.

He's causing a big stink in Kansas City, because a host there has been claiming that he had to BUY his way onto Chicago radio:

http://www.kcconfidential.com/?p=1873

BH has to give us something to eat! You can't starve the bloggers and expect us to keep posting witty and insightful comments. Nothing gets a carnivore going more than red meat.

When did Rachel Madcow grow that goatee? When Madcow comes on after Olvermann, I've never seen the beard, but it looks like the same glasses.

I gave you a thumbs up because you said aquarate .

Also because you are the funniest man on the interweb.

If he wasn't a hack before, he is now.

Amen!

Everybody, we should thank the Huffington Post crowd from taking time out of their busy day hating Jews to send a representative to vomit their "views" all over us. Big hand!

Jim,

Nazi's didn't "waterboard" and neither did the Japanese. Those are both fallacies. Just because they used water on the face does not make it waterboarding. Please educate yourself. They were completely different. There was no "simulation" of drowing. There was no doctor on hand or any regulations. They DROWNED the people they poured water into. They used funnels and would water "poison" their victims. Oy Vey, you people kill me with your ignorance. THe waterboarding that Americans did was not enough to force large amounts of water in the lungs. No lasting damage was to come of it. It was a "simulation." The Nazi's didn't know what "simulation" meant."

Water torture: methods of torture that can include dunking (holding a person underwater for long periods), holding the person upside down and pouring water over the face to achieve partial or complete drowning, and forcing large amounts of water (sometimes by placing a funnel down the throat) into the mouth and stomach

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