REVIEW: ‘Avatar’ Proves James Cameron’s a Secret Conservative
by Leigh ScottSo I saw Avatar. I dug the CGI and thought the 3D was cool. As always, James Cameron delivers with the action sequences. Sam Worthington is really likable. Sigourney Weaver is good as always. Michelle Rodriguez kicks ass, which is pretty much what she does.
As I left the theater however, I found myself quite disappointed. Not because my conservative “propaganda sensor” was going into overdrive. No, I pretty much knew what to expect based on Cameron’s resume and the synopsis of the film I read eight or ten years ago. I was disappointed because the film, with it’s cheesy, hippie message left me feeling empty and unaffected. I thought about all the films I’ve seen, films that cost a fraction of Avatar’s budget, that were so much more effective emotionally. Even if I didn’t agree with the political message.

A big problem with the film is the simplistic and superficial way that it tries to convey its themes. I think a lot of the conservative critics of the film have made a mistake by analyzing it in a similarly simplistic way.
I made the point in an earlier post that when filmmakers add subtext to their screenplays they often inadvertently add conservative messages and themes. These themes and messages are universal, they cut to the very core of humanity and appeal to our basic instincts and emotions. Leftist thought is predominantly contradictory. It is overly emotional on the surface, but attempts to deal with issues from a theoretical and intellectual perspective. “We need to save the polar bears, so let’s establish a complex and unfair wealth redistribution system.” Enough said.
While simplistically trying to attack American corporate greed and take pot shots at the Bush administration, Cameron accidentally reinforced many conservative beliefs and advocated many conservative policies.
Avatar is one of those films written by fifth graders for third graders.
But what if an eighth grader takes a look at it?
There is the evil corporation and its mercenary force made up of ex-Marines. The corporation follows a “profit at all costs” mentality in its pursuit of “unobtanium” (see, I told you, fifth grader). We are led to believe that it is this cold-hearted greed that leads to the massacre of the Na’Vi.
Even Cameron knows that “greed” is a weak motivator for a character. I can be “greedy” all I want, but so what? You have to do something to amass power and wealth. Ahhh, power. Isn’t that what the cardinal pursuit of the antagonists really is? Power and ego? The bloodthirsty Marine commander is full of power lust and an ego bigger than his biceps. Even Giovanni Ribisi’s sniveling bureaucrat is an egomaniac.
So the real villains are egomaniacal, power hunger, bureaucrats. Now, if you weren’t in college during the 1960s, you can quickly deduce that the main “hive” of these types of people isn’t in the corporate boardroom, but in Washington and every state capital. Politicians, not businessmen, are more likely to be ego driven sociopaths bent on domination. Hence, the conservative and libertarian dislike and distrust of big government.
Most films that portray corporations as “evil” fall into the same trap. A bunch of accountants sitting around debating spreadsheets and profit margins doesn’t make for thrilling drama. Evil corporate types are really ego driven, power freaks.
Cameron’s film hypothesizes that egomaniacs with unchecked power are a bad thing. I agree Jimbo! Does that mean you will join me in voting against Obama in 2012?

The corporation is dismissive of the Na’Vi. They refer to them as savages. They think that their society and their technology makes the Na’Vi no match for them. They do not live in fear of the Na’Vi.
This actually reinforces the leftist notion of non-white societies. Conservatives carry no such notions. White people, or America as a whole, always have to help the poor, brown savages who are incapable of democracy or self-sufficient economies according to the left. If you want to hear racism “straight up” just listen to your average, leftist, white politician condescend to the black and Hispanic communities.
Make no mistake. I think Islamic fascists are savage scumbags, but I don’t dismiss them or the threat that they pose. I don’t think George Bush did either. But Barack Obama sure does. Just listen to his speeches, especially the one he just gave about that knucklehead underwear bomber.
So, Jimmy C, you think that it is wrong and dangerous to condescend to foreign, non-white cultures? Me too! I’ll forward you those emails from Sarah Palin’s PAC.
And about the Na’Vi. Like most fifth graders, Cameron endows them with a nobility and honor that he thinks the Native Americans possessed. Fine, whatever. What is important is that he presents an “idealized” society. A society based on respect for the planet and the creatures that inhabit it. In one scene, Neytiri kills some freaky Doberman looking thing and then cries about it later. She had to kill it because it was attacking Jake. To save one life, that she deemed more important, she took another.
The entire Na’Vi society is based on a code of honor and achievement. The members must “prove” themselves to the tribe by accomplishing things like riding dragons. When Jake tames the big mofo dragon, a great accomplishment, he is rewarded by being made the leader of the tribe despite the fact that Tsu’tey was next in line to be chief.
Cameron’s idealized society is one based on individual achievement. When individuals take great risks, they are often rewarded over people who have seniority. Fairness is determined by accomplishments, not by rules. There are winners and there are losers amongst the Na’Vi and they manage to be a happy society. Oh, and when they are forced, they kill to protect themselves and their loved ones, an action that they don’t take lightly. They have honor and nobility. They have strong traditions.
Sounds good to me. In fact, it sounds a lot like the conservative view of what America stands for. I’m in. Hey, Cameron, beers at my house, I TiVo’ed Glenn Beck for you.

Of course, Cameron never intended to explore these themes or send these messages. But, the number one thing to remember about leftist ideas, propaganda and policies is that they produce unintended consequences. The conservative throughput of Avatar is not unlike the economic fallout produced by “Cash for Clunkers.”
Yes, Avatar is annoyingly preachy in its attempt to spread hippie notions about the military, the environment, and the motivations for war. Yes it is condescending to non-white cultures and further explores the already tired idea of the white man who immerses himself in a foreign culture and experiences their plight through their eyes.
But Cameron is a good enough filmmaker to understand that his preaching and personal beliefs alone do not make a good movie. In his quest to create identifiable characters and emotionally impact his audience, he inadvertently tapped into the very lifeblood of conservative thought and principles.
In many ways, an in-depth analysis of Avatar exposes it as a stealth conservative manifesto wrapped up in leftist gobbly gook.
I give it two thumbs up!
As a side note, I debated about writing this. While I do not feel the need to hide my political beliefs I’ve never written disparagingly about anybody that I respect as much as James Cameron. His body of work (specifically The Terminator films and Aliens) is part of the reason why I am a filmmaker. The way he deals with studios and the “suits” makes him the William Wallace of filmmakers.
But look, he started it.
To spend a half a billion dollars on a movie who’s thematic fiber is as flimsy as one of Howard Zinn’s undergrad’s term papers is borderline criminal. I may admire and agree with Mr. Cameron’s business practices and filmmaking skills, but politics is a different matter.
So, should we ever meet Mr. Cameron, let’s discuss the semi vs. motorcycle chase scene from T2 or Ripley vs. the Queen in Aliens. Let’s leave your lame politics out of the action movies.
You know, like you should have done with Avatar.






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Thanks Leigh, now I can go see this movie and look for what you stated. I've wanted to go but couldn't bare to go through another HW beat down of my beloved country and my values.
Talk about making a silk purse out of a sow's ear! Good job. I agree that the movie was painful to sit through and would have been even if it were presenting a message I agreed with. Will someone talk about how bad Cameron's dialogue is? He can't write dialogue that isn't cheesy and cringeworthy. The hoaky dialogue is the reason Titanic was an unbearable experience for me and I was actually groaning in Avatar ("this is where the cheddar is"?). Couple that with his reputation as being one of the most horrible people to work for in Hollywood and it makes me wonder why he gets such raves from the reviewers.
Funny how Hollywood's saviors tend to be horrible people to work for. I guess they can be that way, because they are important — unlike those people who head companies in industries that employ millions of people and actually contribute to the economy.
Your review crystallized my thoughts about the movie — great eye candy, likeable characters, plot by a fifth grader. The only thing you missed that annoyed me was the way the Na'avi were like lost children at their sacred glittery thing after the destruction of the tree, and were only saved by the intervention of the white guy. Condescending much?
Joe S. here, Hollywood native and USMC vet reporting in:
As a trained screenwriter myself, I couldn't watch Cameron's fairy tale without cringing and feeling embarrassed for Cameron's writing teacher's during Avatar's (many) cheesy moments that recycled every straight-from-the-factory leftist storytelling gimmick:
The Na'Vi natives were immaculate good guys who all ran around with halos on their heads, even (lol!) praying to the dead game they hunted for dinner. (credit: The Gods Must Be Crazy)
The "marine" door gunner on an airborne assault carrier kept yelling "get some" (credit:Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket)
The evil corporation run locally by Giovanni Ribisi's character (reprising his exact role in 2000's "Boiler Room'- but in outer space) didn't mind traveling 100 light years to planet Pandora to find "unobtanium" but then refused to travel an extra 90 kilometers to relocate their unobtanium stripmine safely out of the reach of the fierce 10-ft natives- and thereby avoid a costly ongoing death-toll in corporate personnel and avoiding the need for a hugely expensive private army. (credit: Cameron's previous Aliens)
AND OF COURSE, there is the heroic Lesbian Hispanic Marine (Credit: Michelle Rodriguez, real life) who resurrects Cameron's previous heroic Lesbian Hispanic Marine character from Aliens, who later was recycled by Linda Hamilton as a soft-butch Lesbian WASP female paramilitary fighter in Terminator 2. I read that after Linda Hamilton and Cameron married and divorced, Hamilton actually took up a relationship with another woman. (Next up: Look for James Cameron courtside at the WNBA).
What's the matter Jimmy boy, did a jar head at El Toro steal away your girlfriend when you were a lowly delivery driver in Orange County back in the '70's?
But, of course!
AVATAR: A VIOLENT RIGHT-WING FANTASY
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Wow, after reading that my brain feels like a pretzel, but yeah…what you said.
Stated more simply: James Cameron is a great filmmaker, but is intellectually flabby when it comes to human nature.
I can see by the comments written, that conservatives are really threatened by this movie. You can see how the mighty dollar is the conservatives real god!!!
You need to read the following:
Why Does Cameron Infantilize Native Peoples By Portraying Them as Helpless? (Big Hollywood)
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/kschlichter/200...
*When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?
http://io9.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-sto...
I have always been intrigued by Cameron's anti-corporate themes in the movies with the awesomeness he seems to lavish on the military elements of them. In Avatar he put as much design and thought into the Marines and their equipment as he did the Na'Vi and theirs. I mean look at Aliens. I still keep the copy of the Colonial Marine Technical Manual on my book shelf. I just think that he has a special place in his heart for Marines.
Well Rich, if that is so, then perhaps you can tell me why he won't make sequals, when they produce tons of money. He won't do Terminator again, he refused to do an Aliens remake, and he turned down a second True Lies and so on. So if he is in it for the dough, and really cares about his fans then why do he refuse to do the films his fans have been begging him to do for over 20 years?
The evidence is to the contrary of what you state. His quality of films is going down with every movie he makes. In effect he is turning into George Lucas, where he has only "Yes" men around him and no one has the balls to tell him something is a bad idea. Hence why Avatar seems to be written by an 8 year old.
Ah, another stupid liberal belief: Conservatives only criticize things they secretly feel threatened by. Disapproval = fear. Gotcha.
And I'm not sure what the almighty dollar has to do with anything. Cameron's the one making billions, not anyone on this blog.
So which is it – are we scared of money or do we worship money?
Maybe he's parsing. Marines are trained killers, but they're also working-class victims of evil governments and evil corporations so it's ok to like them.
"You can see how the mighty dollar is the conservatives real god!!!"
"And I'm not sure what the almighty dollar has to do with anything. Cameron's the one making billions, not anyone on this blog.
So which is it – are we scared of money or do we worship money? "
Bugs perfectly captured the tensions in liberal ideology described by Leigh Scott in the original article. "Avatar" grosses a billion dollars bashing capitalism (no contradiction THERE), yet carolyn assumes criticism of "Avatar" is somehow rooted in conservative greed.
I personally don't give a rip about the movie. It's not so much over politics, though I do find that infuriating. Really, I just don't see the appeal of Avatar. It's a big cartoony alien movie; so what? How many other movies have done basically the same premise? The only novel thing about this film is that it's done in 3-D, a technique I for one find really irritating and disorienting. Just give me a movie I can watch with my own two unaided eyes.
I'm still not paying to see this movie. If I wanted to see Dances With Wolves, then I'll watch Dances With Wolves. Avatar is a cheap (ok, not so cheap) rip-off of a story that's already been done, and done extremely well. Cameron doesn't bring anything new except a ton of CGI to the table. Wow….big effin deal. Until they can integrate CGI characters that don't look like cartoons, all you'll have is a Roger Rabbit wannabe…..
The anti-Avatar campaign that "Beeg Hollywood" has been running over the last few weeks is truly disgusting in its negativity and vitriol.
Yet,
Avatar- tops the one billion dollar mark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
Must leave a bitter taste in your mouth, eh, boys ……………..?
ha, ha, ha, hawwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Leigh, that's an interesting analysis, but it won't get you very far with leftists. As a resident of LA and a former resident of the Bay Area (who loves to argue), I know how their minds work.____They will disagree that the conservative world of capitalism is fair and merit-based. They will gleefully point out that under the system advocated by conservatives, the children of the wealthy enjoy huge benefits over everyone else. They will tell you that cultural institutions such as slavery and racism are based on the profit motive (promoting profit either through cheap labor or excluding cheaper rival workers from the labor market, depending on whether you are an employer or an employee).____My point is we need to write our own libertarian SF scripts, in the spirit of Robert Heinlien and Poul Anderson.
I haven't seen this movie yet, but there's something that's struck me about every synopsis I've read. It sounds like the military is securing this far-off planet so that some corporation can mine it or whatever. That sounds like the government colludes with well-connected businesses. Shouldn't the corporation itself be responsible for pacifying the indigenous tribes? Wouldn't that be an actual free market? It seems like the government probably has the military fight the tribal folks as long as the corporation agrees to follow certain decrees put forward by the people in charge of the government, which is the complete opposite of a free market.
In that way, it demonstrates a fact that's been proven over and over throughout history: The only way a business can get to the point where it can step all over everyone else is with government assistance. Monopolies occur most often because of government involvement in an industry. The Left has never understood this, which is why they don't understand (or maybe they do?) what will happen with further government involvement in healthcare.
To me, it seems like the film paints a logical picture of what happens when the government gets too big. Once power becomes so centralized, the bureaucrats get to decide which of their well-connected cronies can benefit from that power. This isn't a case of capitalism run amuck; it's a case of state capitalism run amuck.
No, you have it wrong. Just watch the movie. It really does emphasize some very conservative themes. There is no way anyone can grasp what the overall plot and tone of this film are without actually watching it so just pony up the ten bucks. I saw it twice, I'm a conservative, and I liked it.
Not only does the movie emphasize and elevate the "noble savage", it gives similar status to the "rugged individual" as best read in Jack London's novels. London, BTW, was the most fervent American Socialist of the 20th century but later quit the party. What has not been mentioned yet are the clearly Christian themes also worked into the movie, shamelessly. Specifically, let's analyze the "Sermon Under the Tree"; I paraphrase here, but in this scene, Jake Sully (the Avatar) is attempting to convince the Na'vi to believe him when he says they are all in danger of being exterminated. His words are, in effect, "I was sent here to become one of you so that when I gave you the message, you might believe". I don't want to be a spoiler but the final scene in the movie is taken straight from the pages of the New Testament.
Hey, it's popular so it must be good! Like Twinkies and McDonalds!
I'm not arguing it doesn't present some conservative view-points. The notion that the government shouldn't "prop up" well-connected businesses is a conservative ideal, or at least it used to be.
I'm just saying that the Left, in championing this movie (see carolyn above), seems to have missed the fact that government power is being used to benefit a particular corporation, and that such a thing simply cannot happen without a massively empowered State in charge of almost everything. I find it ironic how that jives more with what today's Left seems to think of as the "best" form of capitalism: The State dictates certain policies to businesses, and the businesses that comply with the State's wishes benefit in some way.
If all I"ve read here on BH about this movie is accurate (and I don't know firsthand because I haven't seen it) why in the world are conservatives here and elsewhere supporting it financially?
The government is not involved in this plot. These are private mercenaries. The entire enterprise is private. The State is not a player in this movie; the entire operation is funded by corporate interests, as Ribisi's character makes abundantly clear.
Let's put it this way, if a truly lib-con director had done this film, he would have put in changes which designated the bad guys as power hungry hopey-changey government bureaucrats. Similar to what the lefties did to Tom Clancy's conservative slanted books – changing them into libtard themed movies with a few deft changes in scenary or dialoge.
It's pretty discouraging that conservatives are reduced to re-interpreting left prop movies instead of making their own. The "best 10 conservative movies" lists always seem to have a large percentage of this type of"re-interpreted" film just to make it to double digits – thereby underlining the point that conservatives get butkus out of Hollywood.
I'm conservative, I saw it twice, I loved it. Great entertainment.
Well, think about that comment for a minute; Cameron spent a half-billion dollars on this film before it was released, in production and promotion. The film has grossed over a billion dollars to date. If Cameron and Fox (yes, Fox produced this film) both worship money, they are indeed odd bedfellows.
The movie is like watching an awesome kids cartoon. Effects are damn cool, but the story line is easy enough for a 10-year old to follow. Preachy? Oh yeah!
I hope someone takes this display of cool graphics to the next level and marrys it to a decent adult script. Instead the animation was wasted on a kid's flick. How about a redo of Heavy Metal?
Go see it and find out…you'll probably enjoy it.
"wrapped up in leftist gobbly gook." Thanks for the detail Leigh.
I don't understand the stigma that hippies have instigated towards the corporation. I wasn't in college in the 60's. Hell I was born long after the epic blunder at the Bay of Pigs. But my education reveals that corporations are just entities. Aren't they?
Mr. Cameron. The real evil entity is not the corporation. Not the limited partnership or even the limited liability company. The really evil entity is the Limited Liability Partnership.
The LLP is what snake oil lawyers created to protect snake oil lawyers from the scales of justice. Jimbo. JC. Cameron Baby. You should know. How many checks have you written with LLP in the payee line.
Like I said. I was born post-baby boomer. So liberal hogwash and evangelical GOP madness is not in my blood. Perhaps Jimbo "The Smurfs Invade Tort, LLP" will entice me to drop $20 bones on your flick.
Some directors don't like to make sequels to films they make… Cameron might not believe a films has what it takes to build a franchise with the ideas he used. He might simply like to use variations on a theme to work on other films.
For better or worse, he might prefer to work on new projects than return to old projects.
My experience with modern liberals has been, they are extremely conservative when it comes to dealing with their own issues, but go off the deep end when dealing with something they believe will have no impact on them.
Health care legislation, cap and tax, and the various stimulus bills are excellent examples. On the left they all scream bloody murder over these issues, but that's only because they believe they will not/are not affecting them in and real manner.
The hard part when dealing with them is just trying to get over that hump, that is real money government is taking from them.
Because some folks like going to movies… regardless of the themes, story, plot, characters, and so on. And some folks have a soft spot for action, guns, and bang-zoom special effects.
Like I said above, I haven't seen the film, so ignore my earlier linking of the corporation and the government. Still though, it sounds like the tribal folks get squashed by people who don't believe in the concept of natural rights, and I don't see why conservatives aren't viewing it from that perspective. There's no reason to have a knee-jerk reaction and think "anti-corporate" means "anti-capitalism." Maybe they should think of the corporation as the bandits from "The Magnificent Seven." No one supports the bandits, right?
p.s. I still maintain that it doesn't make sense for the Left to latch onto this movie as some kind of criticism of capitalism. On this planet, even if it's not the case in this movie, a corporation simply can't do the kinds of things portrayed in the film without a powerful government supporting it. And who are the biggest proponents of making the government stronger? The Left.
oooh….excellent idea….as long as they do another kick-ass soundtrack too
Even if it trashes your country, your military and all we stand for? (Again, I don't know for certain that this is the case with this particular movie.)
I think you give Cameron WAY too much credit. Even if the consequences were unintended, he still made a movie about how evil America and its capitalist ways are, not to mention dumping on our US forces. Screw Cameron and the flying dragon he rode in on.
That's because carolyn actually believes these leftists fairy tales about what so called conservative straw men believe.
Here's the dirty little secret: modern liberals do not believe they should be associated with the lunatic fringe of their party, how ever when it comes to the right, they believe everyone who doesn't agree with them, believes every single thing every and any wacko on the right believes.
In other words, some, but not all on the left agree with say Cindy Sheehan. But every one on the right must believe in, and march in lock step with the KKK.
Its a very simple method to avoid having to debate real issues. If you don't agree with them on everything, then you must hold sacred every lunatic idea on the right, there fore, we're all racists and unworthy of being unheard.
Very juvenile, but that's what we have to deal with.
Agreed. I'm not going to watch it because I've already eaten lunch once, and that's more than enough.
Gladiator's CGI did the same thing to me. It's a great movie, but what good is it if I can't watch it?
The "military" is apparently a private contractor, though, so I don't see how the movie can be anti-military in any way, unless people wrongly think paid mercenaries are the same as folks in the military who enlist to defend their country. John also pointed out that the corporate stooge character explicitly says there isn't any kind of government support for what they're doing, so I don't see how the movie trashes our country and all we stand for.
I think what has happened is that people are doing exactly what I suggested above. They're viewing the corporation as a group of renegades that's trampling on the natural rights of an entire group of people. When viewed in that light, it's not hard to see why conservatives are going to see the movie. The biggest trampler of our natural rights is the government.
there is a real issue here…
Namely the privatization of war. Friends overseas tell us about the marginal quality of contractors working for ATA, or Triple Canopy, or Wackenhut- and,of course, Blackwater.
Many of these over 'roided meatheads are poorly equipped for the subtleties of diplomatic security, and are looking for trigger time. This is a fact. It's gotten to the point where operators we know will not recruit former military- while military experience is good taking a combat infantryman or recon Marine and urging restraint amongst people who tried to kill them once before is difficult.
And it is this which drives many people nuts. While most contractors are capable and responsible there are many who are, well, not. Looking for big money and lots of action is not the correct motivator. The State Dept. is busy training foreign nationals to take over for US civilian contractors.
Good thing, that.
So, a subtext to 'Avatar' is the mercenary aspect of our foreign policy. And that is something even a conservative can relate to…
IMHO, sequels tend to disappoint. I can't think of one sequel that was as good or better than its precedent. Sequel films are analagous to cover songs, so why bother? Use the money to fund something new and different, if possible. I wouldn't bash Cameron for not doing sequels.
If they truly believe none of those issues you listed will affect them personally, they are delusional. Who wants delusional people deciding anything for the rational poulation?
Classic modern liberal attacks. If some one does not agree with you, they are negative and spewing vitriol. (you may want to check proper uses of the 'vitriol'.)
You may have not realized it, but you did not offer any type of an opinion or constructive criticism, simply attack, and then walk away patting your self on the back over just how cool you are.
Sorry Rick, not buying it. Either come up with something interesting or keep your cackles to yourself.
And somehow, FTL travel is possible, but spinal cord repair is not???
I panned you for contradicting yourself.
Agreed, you are 100% correct. For some reason (possibly psychological) the left can not grasp the concept that government is not the good guy. That's why big businesses love big government. It's much cheaper to buy off a handful of politicians to pass laws to restrict free markets than to actually compete in it.
Global warming is a perfect example. Wonder why GE is such a huge backer of global warming? Guess who makes those little screwy light bulbs?
"Beeg Hollywood"???
Are you making fun of Hispanics?
Way too many people on the Right think paid mercenaries are in the same category as folks who enlist to defend their country. Quite simply, they're wrong as hell. These contractors get paid out the butt while the people in the military get paid squat. There's also the not-insignificant fact that the contractors who are "former military" are quite often "former military" for reasons that have nothing to do with being too old and everything to do with being wrong for the job.
Other delusional people who buy into the delusions.
"Cameron makes films that he thinks will make money, period. Isn't that the mark of a true conservative?"
What a load of tripe! Such a seventh grade mentality – no, RICH, it is not the mark of a true conservative.
Glad you love working for the man. I for one am nominally impressed by him. Entertained, but not convinced of his 'conservative' values, whatever he (or you) may think those values are. True conservativism doesnt wallow in the old tropes of Noble Savage and White Man's Burden.
I don't know if there are any Nintendo fans out there, but this movie's plot is scarily reminiscent of the Metroid: Prime storyline.
Evil space meanies infiltrate a primal land of noble, pacifist savages for a super powerful energy source tied directly to their religion.
I just picked up the trilogy for the Wii a couple weeks ago and after a couple hours of play I was stunned by the number of parallels there are between a 700 million dollar movie and a Nintendo game.
Not necessarily a criticism, but wow…
I loved the movie! Yes, it seemed preachy at times, but it had something for everyone. James is a genious.
The plot and characters are too cartoonish to take as serious criticism, something even a leftist can relate to…
Oh these are some EXCELLENT points and goes to the heart of whats been bothering me about Avatar. The only reason I am NOT going to see it is Im not going to willingly hand over my money and time to an endeavor that is, from others' reports, so blatantly anti-capitalism. Does Cameron et al want me to agree with them about how evil capitalism? Then BY ALL MEANS, I wont give them my money. End of story..they lose the right to whine about how I havent seen it yet.
I know I"m going back a ways with this comment, but it's appropriate here (I hope)…
When I finally watched the movie "Ratatouille" a couple of month ago, I was struck by the irony of leftist Patton Oswalt, the voice of the main rat character, Remy, giving his father a speech about individualism against the collective. Remy wanted to leave the rat hive and become a chef with the humans. His father degraded his ambitions, and Remy returned to the rate hive only to feel under-appreciated and under-utilized, and eventually unhappy, as he was made to sniff out poisons in all the garbage/food the rats brought back.
Anyone else see this?
a best bud is in Iraq right now…
training Iraqis to take over from the contractors. He has had a deuce of a time getting good people- thoughtful, responsible, humane- to do this work. So many come back from The Sandbox thinking, wow, I can go back and get paid $10k a month to do what I was getting $1800 a month to do.
Wrong thinking there… and, as we said, many are just garden variety bullies who want to inflict their will on others for pay. Also bad thinking…
No indictment of our brave brothers (and sisters) who risk all for little. This is just to say a subtext of 'Avatar'
has even red blooded rock ribbed conservatives agreeing (to an extent) with the 'commercialization' of US foreign policy to be carried out by poorly supervised meatheads.
Something only those INSIDE really know…
As I've said before, how does it change Cameron's point to make Blackwater the bad guys instead of the USMC?
I want to bang that Natiri chick!
The "military" is apparently a private contractor, though, so I don't see how the movie can be anti-military in any way, unless people wrongly think paid mercenaries are the same as folks in the military who enlist to defend their country.
People do wrongly think that paid mercenaries are the same as the military. The Left has a long history of declaring the two morally equivalent.
Conservativism is all about making money???
Honestly, I expected to be much more upset over the political preaching than I was. This did not *feel* like a James Cameron film to me. T2 had pretty strident anti-war/anti-corporate themes, ie., "We're not going to make it are we? People I mean. Its in your nature to destroy yourselves.", but they were accomplished in a much more story friendly, subtle fashion. The dialogue was incredibly hokey in Avatar. Mr. Cameron, you *know* that this film wasn't on an "A-game" level to be considered a classic film. Great CGI, but Avatar will not stand the test of time as a classic. I wasn't offended so much as being disappointed.
You should really see it. I must admit, it was very good. All I did was forget about politics for three hours. GREAT flick, though.
In a capitalist society, all quantifiable achievements involve profit – almost always in the form of money.
If "conservativism" still refers to a political outlook wherein the government is to be small (read: CONSERVATIVE) in size and reach in order to place maximum import on individual achievement, then YES, in the barest terms, American Conservativism is about being free to make (and spend) your money, your way.
It's POSSIBLE, but he can't afford it because the army doesn't pay him enough.
"He won't do Terminator again, he refused to do an Aliens remake, and he turned down a second True Lies and so on."
Point taken on True Lies, but it kinda hurts your argument to single out Terminator and Aliens, since Cameron did the first Terminator sequel and Aliens was itself a sequel.
"I can't think of one sequel that was as good or better than its precedent."
The Dark Night, Terminator II, Aliens, perhaps one of the Lord of the Rings movies, Star Trek II, The Road Warrior, and that's about it. As you can see, they are mostly geeky action-type movies. Seriously good serious sequels are hard to come by. Outside of Godfather II, but I still think The Godfather is better.
"The only thing you missed that annoyed me was the way the Na'avi were like lost children at their sacred glittery thing after the destruction of the tree, and were only saved by the intervention of the white guy."
You must have missed the fact that it was Mother Nature, not the white guy, who saved them. All the white guy did, basically, was tame a wild bird. Big deal.
Other than that, you're right, it was condescending.
"The evil corporation run locally by Giovanni Ribisi's character (reprising his exact role in 2000's 'Boiler Room'- but in outer space"
That's a stretch. The Boiler Room guy was an upstart (as opposed to the Avatar guy, who was apparently entrenched in power) and ended up eventually foresaking cut-throatedness by giving a poor shmuck his money back. Might I suggest Paul Reiser in Aliens as a better match?
I agree about Titanic, Ann. Great movie in terms of production and to a certain point, storyline, but the dialogue in that movie is awful and over the top. That being said, Titanic is one of my favorite movies. It was basically the first "epic" movie I ever saw. I won't see Avatar though. It's got two things against it for me: Liberal bias and the fact it's science fiction. Ninety-nine percent of the time I can't stand science fiction/fantasy storylines.
No, he's just a retard who think he's funny.
I've seen it, but don't remember much about it. Patton Oswalt is a Libertarian, not a leftist.
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Rich – I think you've hit the nail on the head here. Does Cameron hold some Conservative views? Yes. Watch "Aliens" with the directors commentary and you'll actually hear him aspouse some Conservative viewpoints. One being the joy he had in getting gun hating Sigourney Weaver to get automatic weapons training for Ripley's action scenes. She loved it – and Cameron's though was "another Liberal bites the dust". Hardly a fellow Liberal's reaction wouldn't you say? Has Cameron fallen prey to the enviro craze? Yes. Does he write awful, sophomoric dialogue? Certainly. But underneath it all is a subtext of personal triumph, commitment and dedication to family and love. He's doesn't write about "community" or "the good of the many", he writes about personal triumph, individualism and the human spirit. That theme runs through "Terminator", "Aliens", "Titanic" and "Avatar".
Does he love taking pot shots at big business? Yes. Does he sometimes paint the military in 60's hippie stereotypes? You betcha. Is he a control freak who berates and sometimes punishes his actors for the sake of film making? Yup. But so what?
In all of his films there is always one constant theme – Love. Be it the love of a mother for her son (Terminator), love of an innocent child (Aliens), love of family (True Lies & The Abyss), young, undying love (Titanic) or a transformative, love (Avatar).
For being the heartless, socialist Liberal so many knee-jerk Conservatives paint him to be, Cameron does reflect some very core Conservative principles in his films.
Hank – "Dances with Wolves" was a knock off a movie called "A Man called Horse" – everything in Hollywood is recycled.
Not so Hank, He set new limits with Digital cinematography with his fusion techniques. The licensing and patents will most assuredly make money. This guy is a true blue capitalist at heart and sells the leftist message for profit. Hmm reminds me of a guy named Al G something or other.
I know, it's so unfair to take from the rich and give to the poor. It's much better to allow an aristocracy to become established, made ever richer by a permanent underclass of impoverished laborers. Once that happens freedom will be ours.
lol wow, it's just a movie
Yep – that's pretty Messiah-like isn't it?
However – what's the message? Neo was a Messiah figure in the Matrix series, but I'm not sure I'd call that a Christian or conservative-oriented movie. Messiahs pop up all over the place in literature and film.
The only way that will ever happen is when We The People take back our freedom from the government. This is exactly why government was specifically designed to be a largely toothless entity with very little control over anything but the most rudimentary aspects of society.
The founding fathers knew far too well too much power in too few hands is a recipe for totalitarianism. They did their best to prevent it, but as we can plainly see, when politicians learn they can raise taxes and use it to buy votes, real greed takes over.
After the final vote on the constitution, some one asked Ben Franklin did we get a republic or a monarchy. Franklin replied a republic, if we can keep it. Now is the time to make Washington absolutely sure that We The People want our republic back.
Sorry – this has *what* to do with Avatar?
Have you ever considered that it's unfair to take from *anybody* unless they're offering freely?
Why would he do sequels when his two biggest moneymakers were non-sequels?
It makes me sad that so many people are willing to lambaste this movie on political grounds. So Mr. Scott didn't like the naturalistic theme of the movie. That's fine. But its clear that he brought a ton of political baggage with him to the theater, and is viewing it through a filter of his own prejudice. It's as if someone swapped his 3D-polarizing glasses for politically-polarizing ones. It's starting to seem to me that the political Right is so desperate for a punching bag that it is collectively ready to staple a "Leftist" badge on whatever's getting attention in the media, just to give itself something to flail against while sharing the spotlight. ___ If your review of this movie needs to bring up Obama, Sarah Palin, George Bush, Glenn Beck, and "Cash for Clunkers", then it seems self-evident that you're projecting your own message onto the screen. This movie is about standing up for what you believe in and doing the right thing even when it's hard. It's about human nature, industrialism, and our relationship with the planet. It does not take sides in some modern political agenda, but rather speaks to the fundamental characteristics of humankind and our place in the world. If you see a big anti-Conservative message on the screen, you brought it in with you. My advice: leave your politics at the door, and enjoy the story for what it is.
Can you say non sequitur?
You may notice that there are a lot of women as well as men posting on this site. Therefore, you are being a sexist, male chauvinist pig by saying "boys" and in this enlightened 21st century I for one will not stand for it.
Said it a month ago on several forums, via another story via Big Hollywood, and my blog…..that from the get-go, Avatar smacked of anti-U.S. Marine Corps themes. The sci-fi, techno-special effects aspects are hands down cool…but ….but…..Cameron lost me to spend my money to watch it at the theaters when I saw how anti-USMC and Marines World over the movie is. A totally corporate merc army void of any reference to today's military would have been the smart move….Cameron is lucky that the techno aspect saved this movie via the mindless masses.
No, we are the bad guys.
It is specifically our fault (and our parents' and our grandparents') that things are the way they are. I realize no one wants to hear that, but it's the truth. As humans, and especially as Americans, we tend to believe that if we simply get the "right" people in charge of the government, we can fix any problem that confronts us. More often than not, government action fails to eliminate the problem and instead serves to make the situation worse.
Government is not benevolence. Government is not humanity coming together to solve all of our ills. Government is brute force, and it responds almost solely to the basest emotions of human beings. This is why democracy, in its truest form, is the most vile form of government ever devised. Fifty-one percent voting to take away the rights of the other forty-nine percent is not an enlightened way of doing business.
The "will of the people" is not always what is best. For this reason, the government that is the least empowered is the best government. It should exist solely to protect individual liberty and nothing more. When we willingly grant it more power than it should have, we willingly make ourselves less free.
Oh, I dunno … I really liked the exchange in "Aliens" where Sigourney Weaver's character says "I'm the monster's mother. Any questions?"
Well, Mr. Leigh Scott, do you honestly believe that James Cameron will take five minutes of his time to read your good article and see the light?
"Mr. Woodcock" is a great example of a movie with conservative/libertarian messages in spite of its leftist cast and crew. (I refuse to see "Avatar", so I can't make a comparison between the two.)
"Woodcock" features Friend of Bill Clinton Billy Bob Thornton and leftist wet-dream MILF Susan Sarandon, along with a cameo by Obama shill Tyra Banks. Yet the film lampoons the New Agey tripe about self-esteem and navel-gazing expressed by Seann William Scott's character while endorsing the physical and mental toughness and self discipline of Thornton's tough-loving gym teacher.
"Mr. Woodcock" also takes a dim view of the New York-LA values of Amy Poehler's literary agent while giving a positive portrayal of small-town Nebraska values. Definitely not what I was expecting, given the cast.
I work with Cameron and know that he personally holds essentially conservative views. His brother is a Marine. Trying to discern his political views in the movies he makes, though, is an exercise in futility. Cameron makes films that he thinks will make money, period. Isn't that the mark of a true conservative? And by the way, I love working for the man…the people who grouse about his style are no gems to begin with.
"Leftist thought is predominantly contradictory." I couldn't agree more the best way to win an argument with your leftist friend is make them actually explain how what they are talking about is going to work. They never can because about a minute or two into explaining what they think they know they wind up going in one of two directions. Usually because they are Americans and intrinsic believers in individual liberties they start unknowingly espousing conservative ideals (which puts a smile on my face when I hear it). The alternate which I've run into and is always a much more entertaining corner to drive them into is how much their ideas sound like a certain German leader.
I find myself in the same place when ever it comes to Hollywood. Your job is to entertain me, you should never confuse that with trying to enlighten me. I don't go to movies to learn some new unknown truth that only a Director, of all people, knows about. I already learned about what's good and what's evil when I was in primary school in church.
I thought the CGI was great although I really wish we'd move away from archaic 3-D permanently. For me personally it takes me out of the moment it never draws me in. The movie magic disappears every time I get some fuzzy 3-D image jumping out at me. Not to mention the discomfort that the glasses cause for those of us that don't wear glasses regularly.
I was entertained by Avatar so in that light I think the movie is a success. I know as a conservative I shouldn't have gone to this movie but well I had some free time and some money burning a hole in my pocket.
The political arguments were not just weak that's being nice they were completely with out any sense of reality and was another moment when I was brought out of the movie magic.
Unobtanium was another clue that this was a movie that spent a lot of money on graphics and very little on writing the script.
Here's what I took away from Avatar, God is good and will always keep the world in balance and Americans will always save the day even on some remote world.
Kudos to Cameron for reminding the world that America is great because God wants it that way ; )
That's a stretch. The Boiler Room guy was an upstart (as opposed to the Avatar guy, who was apparently entrenched in power) and ended up eventually foresaking cut-throatedness by giving a poor shmuck his money back.<<
Strike one, dude.
Ribisi's BOILER ROOM character was a willing crooked cog in the "bridge financing" machine run by the illegal JT Marlin company. It was not until his character was caught by the FBI wiretaps (also ensnaring his judge father) that he "found" his conscience and decided to minimize his own involvement in the evil company- to save his own skin.
Weasel then, weasely character now. Cameron should pay residuals to the Boiler Room writers.
Some time ago,I went to see "The Princess and the Frog." It was a fun movie and I liked it. I didn't go to see "Avatar." I've heard it called "Dances with Wolves in Outer Space." Seems accurate to me. There are people gloating that "Avatar" made more money than other films. That may be true,but still "The Princess and the Frog" didn't attack my country in the same way "Avatar" did. My recommendation:see "The Princess and the Frog" and skip "Avatar." You'll be happier for it.
Sadly I went to this movie expecting to just be entertained and then about the 2 hours mark it goes off on a leftist catch phrase bingo rant when the military guy is talking to the troops, if you leave that out the movie is 100% better. It is the future in a far corner of the universe not 2008 right before the election. The rest of the movie was great.
[What's the matter Jimmy boy, did a jar head at El Toro steal away your girlfriend when you were a lowly delivery driver in Orange County back in the '70's?]
Sounds like a subplot in the anti-Micheal Moore conservative satire, An American Carol.
"Ribisi's BOILER ROOM character was a willing crooked cog in the 'bridge financing' machine"
Yet another stretch. He and the other recruits weren't in on the scam. And though he was indifferent for a while after he found out, I was careful to say that his conscience kicked in "eventually". The Avatar guy's conscience never kicked in.
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"It was not until his character was caught by the FBI wiretaps (also ensnaring his judge father) that he 'found' his conscience and decided to minimize his own involvement in the evil company- to save his own skin."
You have things confused. The only reason he and his father attempted what the FBI caught them doing was to earn enough money to bail out the poor schmuck. Thus, his conscience turned before he was in trouble.
Later, when Ribisi succeeded in bailing the schmuck out, it had nothing to do with the feds. They were in the dark about it. So it had nothing to do with saving his own skin. Neither did threatening to go to prison to protect his father's judgeship. It was a calculated risk, sure. But if he only cared about his own skin, he wouldn't have bothered.
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