Conservative Marketing: Part Deux
by Leigh ScottIn honor of Hollywood’s current trend, I offer you not a new blog entry but instead a sequel to my last post. My little entry had some legs and even garnered a response on the extremist and out of touch web site the Huffington Post. That author, some washed up corporate record executive who clings to the notion that he is “cool” and “hip,” actually called me a “sociopath winger.” Imagine that, rather than debate the merits of my ideas, he called me a name. Based on my resume and personal history, I can only assume that his reference was to my unabashed fandom of the rock band Winger and its leader, hair band maestro, Kip Winger.
I read through all of the comments on this site and on others that linked to the article, and rather than jump in, I thought I would address some of the consistent themes here.
To clarify, the overall idea is that Conservatism needs to be packaged and sold on an overriding concept: freedom and personal liberty. The secondary attribute of this concept is the natural extension that government should be small, unobtrusive, and focused on state leadership opposed to the consolidation of federal power.
You know, that wacky concept that guys like Thomas Jefferson thought was a good idea.
From that premise, we can create solutions to the secondary issues that are important to Conservatives of all shapes and sizes: abortion, women’s rights, gun ownership, gay marriage, public education, tax law etc. These arguments all feed from and are serviced by the limited government concept. Liberty is the ultimate “big tent” idea that everyone can get behind.
I don’t advocate ditching any principals. I’m not one of those people who think that we can win by watering down what we are about or believe in.
Let me give you a real world example. When we develop scripts, especially ones destined for TV and DVD release, we know exactly what the buyers want. As filmmakers, we slip in neat character idiosyncrasies, our political voice, and interesting situations. We never, however, lose site of the fact that the film we are making is about, for example, giant, futuristic robots bent on destroying human civilization.
I had one producer who would simply write “blah, blah, blah” in red ink on the margins of my script when the character moments or other elements that I as a filmmaker wanted to convey got in the way of the main story line. I wouldn’t simply throw these ideas away, but would rework them so that they didn’t distract from the main plot, and potentially turn off audiences who paid to see a specific thing. Sure, as an artist I would curse the heathen producer who was trying to diminish my beloved characters in an attempt to simplify and cheese out my giant robot film. But you know what, it only made me a better writer and made the scripts better and more focused.
We also need to face up to the fact that we, by nature, are not predisposed for this fight. We should not be surprised that they are better at organizing themselves and giving the impression of a unified front. They are statists who thrive off groupthink and the desire to “out victim” each other by classifying people into small sub-groups. We are a bunch of individuals. How do you get a bunch of people, whose ideology runs close to anarchy, to sit down and come up with a cohesive strategy? I, as a Libertarian type, just want to be left alone. I don’t crave a label. I don’t desire to be part of some monolithic group.
That’s why this is so important. Look at the identity polling. The largest voter bloc now call themselves “Independent.” What does that mean? Does that mean that they crave to be part of a society run by a big government? No, it means that they want to be Republicans but the Republican party is so bogged down in “blah, blah, blah” that they don’t feel that they have a home. Right now, the Democrats are riding high. They control the government. They control the media. Every major celebrity, from actors to musicians, proudly refer to themselves as Democrats. By all indicators, worshipping at the alter of the State and Lord Obama is the “cool” thing to do. Yet, 62% of the country rejects them outright, choosing to identify with either the opposition or neither group at all.
I saw “Star Trek” on opening night. I have tickets to see it in IMAX this weekend. While the mouth breathers in the liberal media are blabbing on about comparisons between Spock and Obama (the only connection I perceive is the ears maybe?) I saw a different analogy. Over 40 years ago Gene Roddenberry created his own mythical world. It spawned generations of loyal, rabid fans as well as tons of copycats (my beloved “Star Wars” and “Battlestar Galactica” included). But for decades the franchise suffered a slow death. Stifled by ego-maniacal actors, self-important producers, and a fanbase married to the original “canon,” “Star Trek” became, well, lame. Now, thanks to some aggressive studio bosses and a talented new group of people, “Star Trek” is back. Yes, the new guys changed some things, but they managed to maintain the original concepts and ideas that made the original series and films so popular. They just sexed up the presentation and in the process have created a new generation of Trekkers as well as allowed us old school Trekkies to Vulcan salute each other without fear of ridicule.
Face it, “Star Trek” is cool again. With the right marketing, we will be too







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Not to be redundant, but, “freedom and liberty” are the magic that will pull the masses with you in the USA. Tap into the energy of the Tea Parties, and victory for freedom loving Americans are a certainty. Become Democrat lite ala. McCain and lose. Pick a self reliant freedom loving American with anti Washington tendencies (Sarah Palin) and sweep the floor with our leftist parasitic class. Washington is a swamp that needs to be drained right and left.
Sociopath winger from Buffalo ?
Ah,libertarian ideas that fit on a business card instead of a 600 page EU constitution ( which is what they are dreaming about).
We have to stand back and take a good look at the group we're trying to entice to consider our ideas. Slice up the demographic and tell me "who" we're dealing with……that's the tough one.
Dems and Acorn were able to rustle up 3-4million votes which weren't there before ( hell they might not be there now) and play it fast and dirty in every venue they chose. What did we do ? Sent out some lame lawyers to a couple of fights while standing on a chair screaming "mouse !".
So we need to (1) figure who and (2) figure how. This is should be done by tomorrow ( Nov 2010).
Oh, by the way, we have no help from the entire media and the academic community .
Gird our loins and sharpen our pens ?
Schaednfreude is not a working tool.
This is right on the money. Also, I love the inference that we need to "sex up" the Republican Party.
The "Star Trek" thing is a perfect comparison: "This is not your father's Republican Party" should be a rallying cry, if not literally than certainly exhibited through our actions going forward.
… that government should be small, unobtrusive, and focused on state leadership opposed to the consolidation of federal power.
And that's it right there. The golden nugget of Conservatism. Point taken that they need to package and present it, but I want a little proof that they'll follow through.
When the Republican party fields candidates that actually believe in it, then I'll get behind them.
I think that last paragraph sums it up. I'm sure little Joey or Anti or TehSucks will be on here lambasting the simplicity of your message. But we know that that's the nice thing about it. Marketing isn't dolling up a piece of crap and trying to pawn it off as something new. It's returning to the simplicity of the basic design, eschewing the frivolous trivialities (say that three times fast) that threaten principle.
Who could disagree?
If we forced everyone to write down what they wanted or needed from the federal government, we could figure out what they would enjoy seeing excised, with the resulting tax decreases .
Think about it: what do you want from the fed ?
-strong defense
-strong currency
-SEC
-maybe National Parks, the states might be able to handle that cheaper
-maybe the FDA, but the market might be able to handle that cheaper
You see, there's not much that the states and the market can't handle. Humm………..
If we forced everyone to write down what they wanted or needed from the federal government, we could figure out what they would enjoy seeing excised, with the resulting tax decreases .
Think about it: what do you want from the fed ?
-strong defense
-strong currency
-SEC
-maybe National Parks, the states might be able to handle that cheaper
-maybe the FDA, but the market might be able to handle that cheaper
You see, there's not much that the states and the market can't handle. Humm………..
I was a brainwashed 20 year old at Kent State the last time the MSM was doing a premature obit on conservatives – in 1979. Dem's had stormed congress with their biggest takeover EVER – in the countries history proportionally – in '74 following Nixon's resignation. Outside of the deep south and the much smaller (population wise) states in the west – Dems held an overwhelming control of state governments.
We have since learned that Ronald Reagan had prepared his entire life for the role he masterfully played after Carter royally screwed up the country. When he left office in '88 the States were overwhelmingly GOP and conservative – but it wasn't until Gingrich in '94 that they took back congress.
Is Obama the leading indicator that this country is headed center-left in a similar generational shift? Thats an open question which will get answered by Americans 40 and under. Your observations on the Trek franchise is an apt comparison. Marketing matters, but substance is the crucial factor.
"Face it, “Star Trek” is cool again. With the right marketing, we will be too"
Maybe we need to bring in the green alien hotties, armed to the teeth with assualt phasers. It worked for G Gordon Liddy (minues the green of course).
"When the Republican party fields candidates that actually believe in it, then I'll get behind them."
Couldn't agree more. It actually depressed me to have to make the decision to vote Republican this time due to the head of the ticket. Sort of a salute to the man he used to be. We need the infusion of a "living breathing" life form to head our ticket, not some image of times past. Lets take this party and remake it into a dynamic, energetic machine that speaks to today and the tomorrows to come..
Postcript: Registered Independents like myself are only a few percentage points behind Dems and Republicans here in AZ. WE DECIDE ELECTIONS in AZ. Why? Because party identification is around #46 on the priority list. What matters is issues important to us – and candiates answers to those issues. Increasingly the same is true throughout the country.
part of the problem with the republican brand is that the party is now run by people who use words like "branding". a new advertising agency will not work if you fail to improve the product. the citizens have seen the message. they still like the message. but no longer trust us to deliver on it.
I agree 100%.
1. We need an overriding message to explain what we are about — "freedom and personal liberty."
2. And we need to learn that we can't let all of the sub-issues (i.e. more partisan issues) clutter the overriding message. You don't have to ignore them, but you can't highlight every issue at once.
3. We need candidates who understand these two principles AND who will not become democrat-lite after they are elected.
Great article! Thanks for the follow up.
"Star Trek Babies:" Instead of putting in the effort of creating and marketing a whole new product, they take an existing line with an established fan base and change everything so that it imitates all the competition with the expectation that the suckers will continue to shovel the money at them. That does sound a lot like the GOP leadership of the last decade, doesn't it?
You are very correct about this. To me, the bedrock issue for most is economics. Ultimately, people vote their pocket books. The left has been successful bringing in lots of potential "victim" groups who tend to love big welfare state programs. How can we market the following truth (which has been attributed to Churchill)? "The vice of capitalism is it creates great wealth but distributes it unequally. The virtue of socialism is creates misery but spreads it equally." In other words, people have to understand that in free market capitalism, they may be lower income, but still have a better standard of living and opportunity to increase it than under a welfare state where there is no incentive to strive for individual wealth.
Let me add, that it's time that the Republican party learn to come up with solutions to the political issues of the day. Right now they seem bereft of ideas. They mindlessly use conservative slogans, but don't even try to implement conservative ideas. Instead, they seem to have bought into the democratic idea that the only way to fix things is to throw money at them.
[...] Conservative Marketing: Part Deux by Leigh Scott [...]
I enjoyed this – especially how positive and calm it was in the face of the vitriolic hostility that the "winners" have been directing toward the "losers". (Why was it not enough to win everything? Ah well.)
I am not quite sure the "rally around freedom and liberty" thing will really resolve all the tensions between various types of conservatives. Not that I disagree with you. But I honestly do not think the social/religious conservatives will entirely go along with that. (I am one myself – but am willing to set aside those issues from a national platform. Let individual conservatives decide how to handle them.)
We need to nominate an Orion woman for president. Booyah.
You're right. Social issues do matter (whatever side you are on), but the vast majority of people vote with their pocketbooks. It has been the rare election where economic issues haven't been the most important or second most important issue on people's minds.
I absolutely agree, although in looking at the overall theme of Leigh's article, e.g. "marketing" as the party on the outside, a huge part of our job is to keep the left from "spinning" the outcome of the incredibly aggressive leftward shift of the current administration and Congress. It is a tough job because such a high percentage of media people are liberals whether it be "news" or entertainment. This is one reason I have been excited about "Big Hollywood" The politicians who may offer solutions need all the help they can get on Television, movies, radio and the net.
Decades of public school education has produced a culture that's been told what to think instead of how to think. Today's voters would read Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron and say to themselves, "Hmm…that's a good idea"
People have been suckered into thinking that Gov. can make life fair, or at least make those "greedy bastards" at the top pay. Enough people want to be taken care of that the Democrats have an almost permanent majority.
I like the statement of principles you wrote in the last column. If you don't mind, I'm going to post it here. AndrewPrice wrote:
I am a Republican because…
I believe in limited and accountable government. I believe in the Constitutional separation of powers between the branches of the government, between the federal government and the states, and between the government and its citizens. I believe in state’s rights. I believe in the protection of civil liberties enshrined in the Bill of Rights. I reject judicial activism and the shift of power from the legislature to the executive. Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
I believe in fiscally responsible government. I reject deficit spending, unfair and excessive taxation, and unnecessary and irrational regulation.
(continued)
I believe in free market economics and the protection of property rights. I reject government ownership of private business and the confiscation of private property. I believe in free and fair trade.
I believe in a strong national defense, and in promoting the values of democracy, freedom, and human rights around the world. I reject isolationism, but I also reject adventurism. Walk softly, but carry a big stick.
I am the Republican Party. I believe in freedom, liberty, and responsibility.
I think it's the best course. It's not re-branding a bad salad dressing ( "Republican lite, now with 90% more compromise!") It's simply clarifying the message in a impactful meanful way. The reality is that the progressives are building a nanny state full of gimmes and freebies. In order to compete with the "free" money we need to deliver a bombshell message that explains the real wealth of America isn't the momentary bribe but God given freedom.
Thanks TCP, I'm flattered that you remembered.
I wrote that to the Republican party during the election when I saw the awful statement of principles they had on their website. Their statement was utterly meaningless and seemed more concerned with noting that the party does not discriminate. It got me so angry reading that, that I sent this in a letter to the party.
They sent back a letter asking for money.
Yep. Totally with you.
If I wasn't so concerned with Obama's far left history, I wouldn't have held my nose and pulled the lever for McCain.
Exactly. When Coke changes their marketing campaign, they don't change the formula for Coke — they change the packaging or they run different ads or highlight different aspects of the product.
Selling ideas (and politics is all about selling ideas) is no different.
The Republicans need to get over this idea that somehow adopting the principles of modern marketing means abandoning out principles — it means getting better at attracting people to our principles.
Good article! IMO, the GOP has not walked the walk and may not even remember the real message of Individual Freedom. The Re-Branding will not help with this current leadership, think GM & Chrysler Management. We are searching for new leaders and yet the GOP interferes at the primary level by supporting Crist vs Cruz, Spector vs Toomey & Ridge vs Toomey….this is moronic and will drive even more Conservo-Libertarians out.
Fortunately, the pendulum has always swung back by itself when, through their progressive ideas and out-of-control spending, the wingtards put economy in the crapper, pessimism peaks at 120%, they gut the military and spend and spend and spend on the "great society." See Carter. The opposition will sweep in, but this time I hope they've learned a lesson – the Reps cannot be the fuzzy feely big tent party hacks anymore. They must redefine values on three simple planks – tax cuts, small government, strong defense, and run candidates that aren't smarmy slimeballs, in it for themselves. If this miracle can be performed in eighteen months, the agenda can be sold and we've got a chance to get back on track. Time for a hail mary?
That is typical of the RNC. You write them and raise a little Hell and they have the ball$ to ask for money, unreal. I like your list, AP.
Agreed. Fire these bastards, I want fresh bastards!
More Paul Ryan's, less McCains
Fresh bastards!
Part 1…
I'm no big pundit, but this topic is an important one for me, and I don't really know how it became so. Maybe it's because I hate commercials and, as a result, have committed myself to not be manipulated by them. I've noticed that for YEARS (decades) the people that create "the media culture" have been dropping in their 2 cents into scripts, etc. by using many of the same techniques that commercials use (I know you all know this already!)
I was a kid when Star Trek began, but for example, I didn't take it as "liberal" that the crew was racially mixed, it thought that it was logical that in the future, this is how it would be. I don't remember the writers of TOS beating the viewers over the head with their views. The inheritors of the franchise, however, decided that it would be good to "teach us" the "correct" way to the future.
One "Star Trek: Enterprise" story arc, for example, had the Vulcans pre-emptively planning to attack the Andorians because they may have a "weapon of mass destruction" (not how they referred to it in the show, but that's what they meant). The Vulcan leader (the bad guy) was single-minded in his thinking and would not consider any other view. He ultimately got overthrown by a pacifist group aided by Capt. Archer.
Continued…
Conservatives unite around "individual liberty". Yes, the way to execute our message is to boil every issue down to a fight for "Individual Liberty".
Part 2…
Gee, I wonder what scenario they were referring to, and what would the "good" solution be? I mean, nobody WANTS war, but I'm talking about the characterizations used.
It won't be easy, but in addition to our wishes for people that we can get behind for elected office, and a message that's more defined. There also needs to be some balance in messages from our media culture…more than just the occasional "An American Carol" that comes out every eon. Face it, the left has been very successful and relatively unchallenged in their path to move our culture to the left.
I've written this before; the show "Dollhouse" had a scene where the female lead picked up a gun, and her handler asks her; "Hey…you know how to use that thing?". Her response as she cocked the gun was: "I had 4 brothers…none of the Democrats…" Not the craziest, over-the-top line, right? But I was happily surprised! Mostly because I thought "How did THAT make it through!" I wish I didn't have to ask that question.
Republicans will not impose a "morals tax" on alcohol, soda, etc….Republicans will allow you to access the best health care, where, when, how…..Republicans will respect property rights of individuals. Republicans won't issue "sin taxes" on carbon. Republicans will lead with facts, not emotion or movements.
Conservatives will only *truly* win back this country when the Dept of Education is abolished and when being a card-carrying NEA teacher will reserve said teacher a place only on the train ride out to Sibera-land. My late, great English teacher of a mother was predicting back in the late '80's that we were only a generation or two away from NEA-controlled "zombies" becoming the voting citizens of our country and thereby we would see an almost immediate leap into socialism/fascism. I am truly thankful my mother never lived to hear Barack Hussein Obama's name muttered by anyone.
All unions must be abolished. Sorry Hollywood writer guys and gals – your acronyms should go too. No WGA, no SEIU, no ILWU, no UFT, no DGA, no NEA, no …. Individuals succeed by his/her own merit-nothing more, nothing less.
This call for an old sports comparison. When the team goes on a losing streak for long periods of time and is in need of a rebuilding. The first thing you do as coach is "Go back to the basics", work on fielding and base running. How to turn the double play. Teach your players how to play the game. Learn how to "HIT", work on your batting stances (Cal Ripken). Give the fans a team that won't drop the easy ones. Teach them to look at the opposition’s game films again (you know, homework) then after you've established a good core of players you bring in the "big guns". A couple players to put you over. Pretty soon, you’re in the series again. AND oh yea, most important, don't forget to keep stocking the farm system.
[...] This is what I have been trying to say, albeit very clumsily, in the last few days. Sell the primary issues, don’t dump the secondary ones, but don’t make them the focus. There has to be a focus, otherwise you end up with people squinting at their TV screens wondering what you are trying to do. Like so many of the leftist protests over the last decade. Too many messages lead to confusion. Confusion only attracts confused minds, which does conservatism no good at all. [...]
I remember reading John Naisbitt in Megatrends. Social change occurs at the nexus of economic and moral reasons. Neither by themselves is enough.I like what Leigh Scott says, but I see in the comments that the meaning is more of the 'lets put social issues on the back burner' and 'focus on a few issues'. Folks, it didn't work for John McCain, and it ain't going to work for you.A better message is 'Radical Conservatism'. Full-tilt, across the board, very enthused conservatism is hip, its revolutionary, it will draw in the young folks, and it will terrify the wicked. This is true Big Tentism whereas the other will shrink the tent.
I remember reading John Naisbitt in Megatrends. Social change occurs at the nexus of economic and moral reasons. Neither by themselves is enough.I like what Leigh Scott says, but I see in the comments that the meaning is more of the 'lets put social issues on the back burner' and 'focus on a few issues'. Folks, it didn't work for John McCain, and it ain't going to work for you.A better message is 'Radical Conservatism'. Full-tilt, across the board, very enthused conservatism is hip, its revolutionary, it will draw in the young folks, and it will terrify the wicked. This is true Big Tentism whereas the other will shrink the tent.
I'm glad that Libertarians like Mr. Scott are starting to realize they can't just kick Standard Conservatives around. It offers hope for a rebirth of Fusionism which would be a very good thing. But this feels more like a con game. Strawberry jam yesterday, Strawberry jam tommorrow, but never Strawberry jam today. As a great movie said…Show me the money! I want to see some serious attempts (not feeble pandering like the DMA) to be radical.Reagan said 'trash heap of history' and people didn't think he was serious. He was, and it happened. The Commies were ripe to be knocked over. All we needed was courage. The liberal social positions are even more ripe to be knocked over. All those social positions Mr. Scott mentioned….Vastly popular. The American People want change. The Elites are standing in the way.The Standard Conservative is good on economic issues and on social issues. In his person, he combines the two forces that Naisbitt mentioned. Follow him, and you'll see a rebirth of freedom.
I thought that having Sarah Palin run for president sexed things up a bit. Nothing sexier than a smart woman with power who uses said power rightfully.
If I trusted the RNC, I might go along with a "Money First" message (even tho' 'Radical Conservative' is a better message.) I don't trust the RINOs to follow through on a deal. The RNC has to rebuild their lost credibility with the base.
Let the libs have their new Spock … at the end of the day Spock was wrong. It was Kirk that was right.
Tell the masses yearning to get their welfare checks that the government will never give them a raise no matter how many times it's promised. If they want that raise, they need to go out and earn it. Get a job and get those raises on their own. Carpe Diem! Control their own destiny rather than let the government do it for them.
Thanks, Leigh. Very well articulated.
Please don't take the below "Fisking" personally. I think you have a valid concern, and this is really the best way for me to reply to you.
"Instead of putting in the effort of creating and marketing a whole new product …"
The comparison between the "Star Trek" and "Republican" brand is apt. I don't hear any serious rumblings about forming up a third party, but rather questions of "how to rehabilitate the Republican brand?"
"… they take an existing line with an established fan base and change everything so that it imitates all the competition …"
Let's look at what the Star Trek brand became: "Star Trek: Nemesis." "Enterprise." Callow echos of a once great brand, dismal box office returns, and a continuing disappointment to the fan base. Now THAT sounds a lot like the GOP leadership of the last decade. The positive reviews for the latest Trek offering play on a few recurring themes, particularly among those hardcore fans: J.J. Abrams has renewed the spirit of the franchise by getting back to what made the original series great: The sense of adventure. A new, younger cast played all the old roles but injected new life into them, never stooping to mere impersonation in the execution of their actorly duties.
You call it "Star Trek Babies," an epitaph that has been tossed around since the began casting this movie. How quickly we forget that seventeen years ago we were calling it "Geriatric Trek."
Youth is not the enemy of the GOP. Neither is gussying up the joint and returning to core principles. The "Trek" metaphor is apt, because that is exactly what Abrams did. He made a movie that people are excited about, and are eager to be a part of. When was the last time the same could be said about the Republican party?
Heh! Oh yeah. I think we have hope with this Cantor fella.
A little green make-up, and we're there!
Hey Auntie, Bite Me! Nobody gives a $hit.
There is nothing magic about empty buzz-words. America has seen through your scam. You hate true freedom. Your definition of freedom is a restrictive society based on religion and your personal moral values that you cram down everyone's throats. What a joke. You wouldn't know liberty if it smacked you in your big empty head.
Flownover: I am a writer/director in LA. I have an idea to satisfy your "how." It can be done by 10/2010. It will take about two million dollars. It will be groundbreaking. It's not a documentary. It's not a narrative film either. It's something that (to my knowledge) has never been tried before. My working title is Founders. No, it's not a period piece of some kind. And it's not "red meat for the base." It will appeal to the independents.
Now that I've told you what it's not, if you (or anyone else) wishes to discuss it., drop me a line (gdamato@fefilmsonline.com) Serious responses only please.
Such a vile little mind you have. Have you considered medication? How about some pie?
"Freedom and Liberty" If you look to the past, the founding fathers, all the wars this nation has fought and the battle cries and slogans used, most if not all included these words, "Freedom and Liberty" Think about it.
Dammit, will you ever shut up and make some damn Pie!
Wow… you seriously need to step away from the tv and actually look at the big picture… Most Conservatives may disagree with the actions of abortion, gay marriage, passing out condoms, etc… but I do believe that the hindering of choice is a bigger concern to most than the actions alone… Not all of us are of the Westboro Church brand… :/ Christian or not…
Mega dittos!
Your take and ideas are spot on. Most of us involved in the tea parties do plan on, or would greatly desire, to take over the GOP and not create some third party which is not going to be viable in 2010 or 2012. Just like "Star Trek" why create a totally new entity when you can take what already exists, and make it better, or certainly attract new fans?
In addition to the ideas of less government, those of us who are not party members of either party need to get it drilled into other's heads that things like the Constitution and the Founding Fathers are not evil, out dated, restrictive, or so anciently old fashioned they need to be tossed out with the trash. We learn from history, grow and improve from history. The ignoring of history, or tossing it aside is a mistake which without question will only cause a wandering in that famous desert, being forced into submission by our foes, or a total collapse of this nation. Unfortunately, too many Americans believes such a collapse cannot happen on our shores.
If old is so bad, then why does TCM exists? If Conservatism is so bad and currently defeated, then why is it fought against with such fierceness? If decent movies are not what the public wants, then why is it family movies or movies like "Iron Man" are such huge money makers? The History Channel has gone HD, and has a branch called the "History International Channel". "Ovation" has not gone HD and has no branch off. Someone out there likes history, does not find it stale, and it seems to make some money! I might add here, why is it Hitchcock, Ford, Wyler, Lubitsch, Sturges, Stevens, Cukor, et al. directors still often discussed, often copied, and greatly desired by the general public? I can remember when "What Lies Beneath" was being discussed as being "Hitchcockesque" and that alone caused my husband and myself to go see the movie. The day someone makes a comedy like "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad World" or "His Girl Friday" is the day real comedy arrives back in Hollywood. Dittos to all the Mel Brooks movies. Now that stuff is funny! It also happens to be what some would consider old hat and corny. It might be, but Americans love that kind of funny because of the rampant individualism each writer had to create the characters, to direct the movies and express their ideas.
How many times did we hear folks slamming "Undercover Brother"? It was done in the same vein as Mel's movies. Besides, it was funny! So are we becoming more open with the silencing of Hollywood folks wanting to go outside the box, or back to history? Or are we seeing a silencing of those who would like to have a chance at exploring the possibility of giving the American public what it has been asking for? Liberals need to understand we of the Conservative stripe are for less restrictions and not more. We are for "individual liberty" in every sense of the words, but our voices are just not being heard by the public. I am all for those like Mr. Scott to go out there and help us to be heard! We wish you much, much success in obtaining the funds needed to get your scripts on the big or small screen. For any of you in Hollywood reading the general Joe an Jane Q. Public responses on the internet; we are truly, truly wishing and hoping for your success and while we have a few dollars to rub together will support you as much as possible! GO GET "EM!
What does everyone think about the fact that, as conservatives we want less gov't, but we seem to focus all our attention on gov't officials (Repubs in this case)? We need 'em, sure. But if we can somehow turn the culture, then I'll bet a lot of pols will fall in line.
Isn't "not depending on gov't" more in line with conservatism?
We wonder why the Republican brand is tarnished. It's because the culture's been led to believe that Republican = <insert insulting term here>. No wonder Repub pols seem defensive and ineffective, they're recipients of an "ism" of some kind!
Of course, how to turn the culture's no small task!
You are so right. The messages are so simple, and we constantly let the opposition drag us off-message. As long as we continue to hide in defensive mode from charges that are ridiculous in the first place, we will never get those messages out. "We are not racists" is not a platform or a program. "We don't like Obama" is not a platform or a program. "No, no, NO" is not a platform or a program. The message we need to get out, however we choose to do so, is "We are going to do more for you, by doing less to you."
I wish that was the wish list for most. But so many people think of the Feds as Santa Claus! My mean Daddy (local and state gov) won't let me have it. Waah! Who wants to eat their vegetables? only those with a concept of tomorrow and the price for treats today.
Part 1. I agree and I disagree. Liberty and personal freedom are key BUT they can be perverted. IMO, the liberal side of the family tends to pervert the liberty/freedom ideas by pushing them to the extremes of denying them to all but their chosen faithful. In a way, liberalism has become the new fascism. Liberty and freedom can not be absolutes, they must be disciplined. Personal responsibility and accountability would be two disciplining concepts. Equality in opportunity, not outcome, also disciplines liberty and freedom. Finally, love of country or patriotism or Americanism, is critical to the survival of the nation. Although we tend to believe man is the greatest thing since sex and sliced bread, he is less noble than many beasts and without a state to protect him he would soon be vulnerable to violence.
Part 2. Conservatives have lost touch with their roots and their founding concepts. We need a conservative education movement. Although founding principles are nice, we also need honest politicians to put a human face on conservatism. Cheney won't cut it. I believe the only reason we have an Obama presidency is because many people voted against Bush, a politician they believed was the exemplar of the mainstream Republican party. Any knowledgable person, and most voters are not knowledgable, knows Bush did not represent Republicans and the Republican party-which during his presidency became impotent and incompetent.
I am a Conservative, probably more on the Libertarian side, and had suggested something similar in refining our message while not losing our principles simply stating facts and laws as their basis rather than feelings and morality as their basis. Well, you would have thought I asked them to go out back and shoot Old Yeller'; I had people insulting my education and telling me I was the problem with the GOP. Basically they were talking to me as though I was the enemy. This is part of the problem, we have adopted some of the Liberals "you agree with us on everything or you are against us" mantra and have made the Republican party not very welcoming to outsiders.
Mr. Scott is right. The core principles of the Republican party are individual liberty and freedom not no gay marriage and no abortion. When we spend so much time focusing on what we disapprove of people tend to forget what we're really about.
1) Depose every Republican leader and starve support for any "Republican" politician who doesn't hold to the cannon of strong defense, sound economy, lower taxes, and less government. FAR LESS government. And/or actually govern that way. Elevate those who do.
2) Patience enough to let the Socialists fail.
This will be the hardest item on the list. It requires watching them pillage and burn our own country and culture until the groundswell for ousting them isn't just our internal monologue.
3) Ignore – IGNORE – the whining carpet-wetting liberal lickspittles from academia, entertainment, and the media who will be in 24/7/365 full-froth mode the minute our side steps forward.
Refuse to meet them on their home turf.
Make them the butt of every possible joke over their pathetic clinging to a long-failed ideology.
Refuse to EVER compromise principles with their political hirelings once in power for any illusory hope of wider acceptance.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Oh, wait, that was the entire 1980 GOP campaign strategy memo.
"We are a bunch of individuals. How do you get a bunch of people, whose ideology runs close to anarchy, to sit down and come up with a cohesive strategy? I, as a Libertarian type, just want to be left alone. I don’t crave a label. I don’t desire to be part of some monolithic group."
There in lies our strength and the key to unifying the GOP; rugged individualism, if you will. We are the embodiment of the Gadsen flag. "Do Not Tread On Me." A liberal congress and an over-reaching administration are doing the grunt work for us: driving the befuddled right back to our side and way of life. It's already begun. Automotive, banking, lending and soon-to-be health care laid to waste after entrusting in the president. Democratic leadership is now asking the big question: Are we going to far? Confusion is within their ranks. The first hundred days has been a huge defeat domestically as well as oversees for the Obama administration. Billions wasted with no success to show for it. The revolution has begun.
You're right, many of the responses to your prior comments were rather disturbing.
Conservatives come in all shapes and sizes and there needs to be room under the GOP tent for all conservative voices. It is entirely counter-productive to attack each other just because we don't share the exact same views on all issues.
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Amen!!! There was a time when unions were a necessity but now they are a dinosaur functioning as little more than government sanctioned organized crime rings. They have done more damage to the reputation and production of the American worker than any law or trade agreement ever could. Heck, if it weren't for them these trade agreements wouldn't be such a big deal because there would still be some advantages to doing business in America.
I could not agree more, Freedom and Liberty is the marketing coolness (And as you say close to anarchy….haha true…. but not so marketable). Not only is the Freedom and Liberty aspect potentially marketable, it is true, and true to our nations founding. I am so glad to hear Scott's take on this and hopefully others will "take this ball and run with it" so to speak. Continue this line of thought Scott, it's great.
I think it's part of the conflict within the Conservative community where the "Family Values" branch and the "Small Government" branch of the Conservatives snipe at each other. We all agree with each other by in large but the Small Government sect of the party wants the Family Values side to tone it down because we feel they are hurting our true message, conversely they feel we aren't pushing hard enough for their values. I've seen a lot of Republicans switch to Libertarians in that intellectual divide, myself included.
It is good to see most are like you though Andrew and are more accepting of these minor differences and realize it's the war that we must win, not the battle. Though I have gathered from your post that you and I are probably of the same opinion on these matters.
It's not really a matter of my personal policy views so much as a realization of how the world works. In my life, I've met literally thousands of conservatives and I have found them to be truly varied in their opinions. Yet, they all agree on almost 95% of the issues.
Unfortunately, some people (on both sides) demand that extra 5%. And rather than trying to convince the rest that they are right (in a calm, rational, and collegial manner), these people choose to demonize those who disagree. Sadly, this makes the party come across as nasty, intolerant, and hopelessly chaotic. It also chases out valuable voices from within the party.
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It also gives cover to the "traitors in our midst" — the so called Rinos. When I say Rino, by the way, I don't mean moderates. I mean the specific Republicans who engage in disloyal activity when they don't get their way — either endorsing the democrat because the Republican "is too extreme" or publicly calling conservative positions racist or sexist or evil etc. That's crossing a line that the party can't tolerate.
Unfortunately, these a-holes exploit the fight between the libertarian and social-conservative wings as cover for claiming that they themselves are the true Republican party and that they are standing up against the extremists. The reality is that the Rino position is the extremist within the party. If the other two wings could bury the hatchet, that would become quite clear and we could all benefit.
they don't change the formula for Coke
Not anymore they don't. You have only to look at where THAT went to see how changing the product (or the message, in our case) doesn't work as well as changing the packaging.
Incidentally, I work for a store that sells a lot of Coca-Cola imported from Mexico. Why do people buy Mexican Coke? Simple — because it comes in the classic glass bottles and they still make it with real sugar, as opposed to corn syrup. People who know the REAL taste are eager to get it any way they can. (Incidentally, Pepsi have picked up on the idea and are now selling "throwback" Pepsi, also made with real sugar; if only they did that with Coke up here they'd have a massive hit on their hands.) I dunno, I think that maybe there's a lesson in that.
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I suspect none of the scheming and planning will be necessary when we're all growing our own food. Change will come.
No-brainer here: Just listen to the helpful, considerate advice being offered by the magnanimous James "Serpent head" Carville, and the eminently moderate Colin Powell, Arlen Specter, and Linc Chaffee—and just do the exact opposite.
Broken record, I know, but there's a simple, quick and effective move that could set ALL of this in motion: Kick the "religious right" to the curb, completely and utterly. Don't "moderate," don't "fuse," do it quick and decisively: Take "conservativism" OUT of social-issues completely, so that you can MEAN IT when you say "we're the party of individualism and self-determination." Don't have a single thing to say about abortion, gay marriage, drugs, obscenity etc. other than "that's NOT the government's job." Focus 100% on economics, cutting taxes, shrinking government and all that. Tell the people that YOU don't want to preach to them or guide them or make them do ANYTHING – you just want to make it less expensive for them to do WHATEVER they wish to do. Stop thinking Carrie Prejean, start thinking Dagny Taggart.
Mr. Scott,
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