Comments on: For Conservative Movie Lovers: King Vidor, Wallace Beery and ‘The Champ’ Part 3 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2010/01/23/for-conservative-movie-lovers-king-vidor-wallace-beery-and-the-champ-part-3/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:12:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sam Deakins http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2010/01/23/for-conservative-movie-lovers-king-vidor-wallace-beery-and-the-champ-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1627538 Sam Deakins Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:39:07 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/?p=299630#comment-1627538 Jackie at one time had a TV show called "Henessey" I believe and I think he portrayed a navy guy in it as well. Jackie at one time had a TV show called "Henessey" I believe and I think he portrayed a navy guy in it as well.

]]> By: Leo Grin http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2010/01/23/for-conservative-movie-lovers-king-vidor-wallace-beery-and-the-champ-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1627086 Leo Grin Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:36:48 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/?p=299630#comment-1627086 Even allowing for M*A*S*H's liberal bent I always liked the show, it certainly weathered a series of cast changes to rival LAW AND ORDER, changes that would have killed a lesser show stone dead. What kills me is how a guy like Alda can do a show that glorifies the drafted grunts and mocks the brass, but then refuses to send a simple Christmas message to those very grunts just on the basis of some ill-reasoned political principle. Someone page Big Hollywood's Burt Prelutsky, and let's see if he has any memories of the M*A*S*H gang that are relevant to this discussion. He didn't start writing for them until after Cooper's time, but maybe he remembers something. Even allowing for M*A*S*H's liberal bent I always liked the show, it certainly weathered a series of cast changes to rival LAW AND ORDER, changes that would have killed a lesser show stone dead. What kills me is how a guy like Alda can do a show that glorifies the drafted grunts and mocks the brass, but then refuses to send a simple Christmas message to those very grunts just on the basis of some ill-reasoned political principle.

Someone page Big Hollywood's Burt Prelutsky, and let's see if he has any memories of the M*A*S*H gang that are relevant to this discussion. He didn't start writing for them until after Cooper's time, but maybe he remembers something.

]]> By: Leo Grin http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2010/01/23/for-conservative-movie-lovers-king-vidor-wallace-beery-and-the-champ-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1627062 Leo Grin Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:25:49 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/?p=299630#comment-1627062 California_Girl, Has your Dad ever given any details to the story we might want to know? (for instance, did he ask Cooper, "So how was it like to work with Wallace Beery?") California_Girl,

Has your Dad ever given any details to the story we might want to know? (for instance, did he ask Cooper, "So how was it like to work with Wallace Beery?")

]]> By: Leo Grin http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2010/01/23/for-conservative-movie-lovers-king-vidor-wallace-beery-and-the-champ-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1627058 Leo Grin Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:22:16 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/?p=299630#comment-1627058 L.B. "Oscar" Mayer, Are the Our Gang episodes available in one place somewhere? Netflix only seems to have the usual cheapo greatest hits and public domain type DVDs. L.B. "Oscar" Mayer,

Are the Our Gang episodes available in one place somewhere? Netflix only seems to have the usual cheapo greatest hits and public domain type DVDs.

]]> By: spinalcracker http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2010/01/23/for-conservative-movie-lovers-king-vidor-wallace-beery-and-the-champ-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1626970 spinalcracker Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:46:43 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/?p=299630#comment-1626970 He directed a couple of Rockford episodes that I know of, Off the top of my head I don't know which ones. Also he was in a two parter "The House On Willis Avenue." I Love "The Rockford Files" and was scrolling down the comments for someone to mention it in regards to Mr Cooper. He directed a couple of Rockford episodes that I know of, Off the top of my head I don't know which ones. Also he was in a two parter "The House On Willis Avenue." I Love "The Rockford Files" and was scrolling down the comments for someone to mention it in regards to Mr Cooper.

]]> By: spinalcracker http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2010/01/23/for-conservative-movie-lovers-king-vidor-wallace-beery-and-the-champ-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1626966 spinalcracker Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:42:04 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/?p=299630#comment-1626966 Thank you for your service, sir!! I don't care for Alda as well, To me he came off as too sanctimonious. Thank you for your service, sir!! I don't care for Alda as well, To me he came off as too sanctimonious.

]]> By: California_Girl http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2010/01/23/for-conservative-movie-lovers-king-vidor-wallace-beery-and-the-champ-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1626138 California_Girl Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:59:06 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/?p=299630#comment-1626138 My father-in-law has a story he likes to tell about picking up a hitchhiker in the Solomon Islands during WWII and being surprised to find out it was Jackie Cooper. He was thrilled to meet the child-actor-turned-sailor. My father-in-law has a story he likes to tell about picking up a hitchhiker in the Solomon Islands during WWII and being surprised to find out it was Jackie Cooper. He was thrilled to meet the child-actor-turned-sailor.

]]> By: @bjdeming http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2010/01/23/for-conservative-movie-lovers-king-vidor-wallace-beery-and-the-champ-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1625398 @bjdeming Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:09:20 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/?p=299630#comment-1625398 Aw, now I'm gonna have to go watch "Robin Hood" again (it's at the Internet Archive <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/FairbanksRobinHood1922" target="_blank">http://www.archive.org/details/FairbanksRobinHood...</a> ). These columns are sort of like pyramids - one thing just leads to another. Thanks! (again) The Beery quote about his rough-and-ready monarch character is right on spot. He does this thing with his hands, too, where he clenches and unclenches them when Richard faces a serious problem that he can't tackle physically and doesn't know what to do. How difficult that must be, for an intelligent man to play a very strong but not overly bright character. And Richard's eating establishes his brother's character, too, right at the beginning of the movie: John (played superbly by Sam de Grasse) is sitting next to Richard on the dais during the tournament; Richard is chomping away, and it just so grosses John out but he doesn't dare show it. It's wonderful! I didn't know that picture got Beery out of being typecast as a villain; it's interesting, because de Grasse did so well as Prince John, he specialized in bad guys for the rest of his career. Ford did that to Thomas Mitchell, too, in "Stagecoach," and probably one could add "The Long Voyage Home," too (and perhaps others of his with Mitchell that I haven't seen yet). The result is a delight to audiences, because it improves everybody's performance so much, and it didn't hurt Mitchell, who won an Oscar in 1939. Whatever happened to Thomas Mitchell? Wayne was coming up at the time, and the experience also probably helped him to develop that famous willingness to let somebody take over a scene...if they could. Some did, too, but only if they were really, really good, because he was tough to beat. What a golden age the first 60 years or so of the 20th Century were in film! Aw, now I'm gonna have to go watch "Robin Hood" again (it's at the Internet Archive http://www.archive.org/details/FairbanksRobinHood... ). These columns are sort of like pyramids – one thing just leads to another. Thanks! (again)

The Beery quote about his rough-and-ready monarch character is right on spot. He does this thing with his hands, too, where he clenches and unclenches them when Richard faces a serious problem that he can't tackle physically and doesn't know what to do. How difficult that must be, for an intelligent man to play a very strong but not overly bright character.

And Richard's eating establishes his brother's character, too, right at the beginning of the movie: John (played superbly by Sam de Grasse) is sitting next to Richard on the dais during the tournament; Richard is chomping away, and it just so grosses John out but he doesn't dare show it. It's wonderful!

I didn't know that picture got Beery out of being typecast as a villain; it's interesting, because de Grasse did so well as Prince John, he specialized in bad guys for the rest of his career.

Ford did that to Thomas Mitchell, too, in "Stagecoach," and probably one could add "The Long Voyage Home," too (and perhaps others of his with Mitchell that I haven't seen yet). The result is a delight to audiences, because it improves everybody's performance so much, and it didn't hurt Mitchell, who won an Oscar in 1939.

Whatever happened to Thomas Mitchell?

Wayne was coming up at the time, and the experience also probably helped him to develop that famous willingness to let somebody take over a scene…if they could. Some did, too, but only if they were really, really good, because he was tough to beat.

What a golden age the first 60 years or so of the 20th Century were in film!

]]> By: L.B. "Oscar" Mayer http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2010/01/23/for-conservative-movie-lovers-king-vidor-wallace-beery-and-the-champ-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1625170 L.B. "Oscar" Mayer Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:55:08 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/?p=299630#comment-1625170 FWIW - I think that more than a link and a passing reference to Cooper's work in the 'Little Rascals' (more properly - "Our Gang") is required here. His work in those short, sweet comedy films define an era in America and American films that was about to pass from the scene. It looks like there were only 14 films that he appeared in between 1929 and 1931, but in the realm of Our Gangiana, they are special. <a href="http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0178114/" target="_blank">http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0178114/</a> # Bargain Day (1931) # Love Business (1931) .... Jackie # Helping Grandma (1931) .... Jackie # School's Out (1930) .... Jackie # Teacher's Pet (1930) .... Jackie # Pups Is Pups (1930) .... Jackie # A Tough Winter (1930) .... Jackie # Bear Shooters (1930) .... Jackie # When the Wind Blows (1930) .... Jack # The First Seven Years (1930) .... Jackie # Shivering Shakespeare (1930) .... Jackie # Moan & Groan, Inc. (1929) .... Jackie # Bouncing Babies (1929) .... Jackie # Boxing Gloves (1929) .... Jackie FWIW – I think that more than a link and a passing reference to Cooper's work in the 'Little Rascals' (more properly – "Our Gang") is required here. His work in those short, sweet comedy films define an era in America and American films that was about to pass from the scene. It looks like there were only 14 films that he appeared in between 1929 and 1931, but in the realm of Our Gangiana, they are special.

http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0178114/
# Bargain Day (1931)
# Love Business (1931) …. Jackie
# Helping Grandma (1931) …. Jackie
# School's Out (1930) …. Jackie
# Teacher's Pet (1930) …. Jackie
# Pups Is Pups (1930) …. Jackie
# A Tough Winter (1930) …. Jackie
# Bear Shooters (1930) …. Jackie
# When the Wind Blows (1930) …. Jack
# The First Seven Years (1930) …. Jackie
# Shivering Shakespeare (1930) …. Jackie
# Moan & Groan, Inc. (1929) …. Jackie
# Bouncing Babies (1929) …. Jackie
# Boxing Gloves (1929) …. Jackie

]]> By: ScottDS http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2010/01/23/for-conservative-movie-lovers-king-vidor-wallace-beery-and-the-champ-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1623214 ScottDS Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:57:15 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/?p=299630#comment-1623214 No problem. :-) I enjoyed Haley Joel Osment in The Sixth Sense but he isn't exactly a "child actor" anymore and that film came out 11 years ago. I also liked the girl in Little Miss Sunshine but I don't really have anyone on my radar now. No problem. :-) I enjoyed Haley Joel Osment in The Sixth Sense but he isn't exactly a "child actor" anymore and that film came out 11 years ago. I also liked the girl in Little Miss Sunshine but I don't really have anyone on my radar now.

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