For Conservative Movie Lovers: King Vidor, Wallace Beery and ‘The Champ’ Part 3
by Leo GrinIf you’ve seen Superman: The Movie (1978), you surely remember the character of Perry White, the tough-as-nails editor of The Daily Planet. Played pitch-perfect by actor Jackie Cooper, he’s one of the comedic highlights of the picture. “I want the name of this flying whatchamacallit to go with the Daily Planet like bacon and eggs! Franks and beans! Death and taxes! Politics and corruption!”
Cooper delivers his one-liners in a Preston Sturges staccato that helps give the 1970s film a pleasant 1930s gloss, bridging the gap between comic book and movie. But if, like me, you were just a kid when you saw Superman, you may not have known that here was an actor who, fifty years earlier, was one of the most popular and recognizable in the world, courtesy of a little picture called The Champ.
Cooper’s rise to childhood stardom was all-too typical — born in 1922, the unhappy progeny of a broken home, he was first dragged to the studios by his grandmother. “For most of the ladies in that poor neighborhood,” Cooper wrote in his autobiography, “it became common practice to walk to the studio gate in the morning and see if any of the directors needed extras. . .if you were picked, you got $2 and a box lunch. . . [my grandmother] was picked often because she had a little towheaded kid with her — me.”
A host of small roles eventually led to a job as one of Hal Roach’s Little Rascals, which after a few years resulted in a breakout, Oscar-nominated role playing the titular moppet in the Hollywood adaptation of the famous comic strip Skippy. Directed by his uncle (who won a Best Directing Oscar for the film), it made a name for Cooper as the movie kid who could cry better than any other (Cooper claims that his uncle once got him to cry on cue by threatening to shoot his dog), and its popularity quickly led to a lucrative M-G-M contract and the chance to star in The Champ.
Then as now, child stars were held in something akin to contempt by many filmgoers. The New York Herald-Tribune said in its review of The Champ that “This department, it is only right to tell you, has little sympathy for the child performers. Ordinarily they play with the clumsiness you might expect of their youth, while invariably providing in their personal qualities all of the more deplorable instincts of maturity. In a word, they act like children while seeming immature adults.” That description sounds like Dakota Fanning and any number of modern child actors. But Jackie Cooper, according to the same review,
proves by one of the finest and knowingly sensitive portrayals of the recent cinema that he is an actor of genuine distinction: a child who performs with all of the intelligence and mature emotional power supposed to belong to an adult, without losing anything of the youthful appeal to be expected of his years.
Time magazine was much less charitable to Cooper’s Champ performance, chortling that, “every time Beery gets drunk, gambles away the racehorse which he has presented to his son, or is taken to jail for disturbing the peace, there is a shot of little Cooper sticking out his underlip and wrinkling his eyes.” That pat criticism, simplistic and snide, fails to account for any number of great scenes where Cooper isn’t sniffling in close-up.
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Cooper played the role not just with amazing naturalness, but also with an eye toward the dramatic arc of his character. Like in his real life, in The Champ he’s a kid forced to leave behind his innocence and become an adult before his time.
The studio put out press releases saying how wonderfully Beery and eight-year-old Cooper got along, and anecdotal evidence contemporary to the period supports that assertion, despite the barrage of negative things Cooper said about Beery fifty years after the fact in his autobiography. News reporters visiting M-G-M claimed that, far from being afraid or angry at Beery, Cooper called him “Uncle Wally,” and happily followed him around the set. Beery himself recounted in an interview how he would help the director talk the eight-year-old through the emotional spectrum of each scene until he figured out how to play it. (One breakthrough came when little Dink undresses his drunk Dad and puts him to bed — after having it explained to him several times, Cooper suddenly brightened and exclaimed to the crew, “I get it! I’m the father and Wally’s the kid!”)
Later in life, Beery would say that “. . .[one of the few times] in my life I felt that maybe I was a pretty decent guy. . .was when little Jackie Cooper said he liked Wally Beery better than any other man he knew.” Cooper would star in several more movies with Beery, most notably Treasure Island (1934) and together they became one of Hollywood’s most popular screen pairs of the 1930s.
The tone of his autobiography hints that the real thing Cooper was missing was a father figure, and when someone like Beery failed to assume that role for him off-screen it hurt. The truth was that he was a lonely, friendless kid caught in the vast machinery of Hollywood, seeming to have everything in the world but empty and directionless inside. Judging from all of the extant pictures from that era, as well as newspaper accounts of press junkets, public appearances, and other films, Cooper’s childhood was one long series of meetings, movies, and promotions. For instance, in the month following the November 1931 release of The Champ, period newspapers tell of Cooper coming to Grauman’s Chinese Theater for a joint promotion with Santa Claus, first pressing his hands and feet into the cement forecourt and then introducing The Champ to 2000 kids in the theater. He was (in the words of Sid Grauman) “America’s Boy,” and a countrywide superstar. And he fulfilled that role at the expense of his childhood.
Like most prepubescent stars, his fame largely disappeared when he grew up. Cooper would later dismiss his entire childhood as a bad nightmare, aghast at the pressures he was put under when so young and lamenting the normal life he lost in the process. By the end of his teens he had slept with stars as varied as Judy Garland and Joan Crawford (the latter when he was seventeen and Crawford thirty-four), smoked dope and taken pills while hanging out with big-band musicians like Gene Krupa (Cooper learned the drums and often sat in with them), and spent virtually all the money he had made in Hollywood on fancy clothes, cars and women.
He credits the service with finally shaping him up and making a man out of him. When World War II hit, his handlers were ready and willing to pull the strings necessary to keep him out, but he bucked their advice and insisted on joining the Navy. He was twenty years old, and his childhood career was already just a memory. Although he says he was mercilessly hazed by fellow servicemen who held his movie-star status against him, Cooper maintained that, “I wouldn’t have wanted to be anyplace else. It would have been worse outside, getting the sneers from women wondering why you weren’t in uniform. Besides, there was that patriotic consideration — my country was in a desperate war, and I wanted to do my part, corny as that might sound, so we would win.”
Jackie Cooper spent the war playing the drums in a USO band, and after he was discharged had some tough years. He went through three marriages — with the last wife, twenty-five years into the marriage he had an affair with a younger woman and briefly left the house, only to come to his senses and patch things up before it was too late (the incident forms a moving chapter of his autobiography). He found work wherever he could, first in New York on the stage, then on ’50s TV shows, then as a studio executive in the ’60s, and finally as a Emmy Award-winning director of television throughout the ’70s, most notably on the now-classic show M*A*S*H.
Over the decades he remained active in the Navy Reserve, which eventually caused a problem on the M*A*S*H set. As Captain William S. Graves relates in Cooper’s book:
I came over to the set because I wanted to make some Christmas tapes [to send to the troops in Vietnam]. . . Some were thirty seconds, some were twenty seconds. . .and they’d say, “It’s Christmas, and we miss all you guys, and you’re doing a good job for your country, and we appreciate what you’re doing, and come home safe and Merry Christmas.”
. . . when I got there, Alan Alda had said he would make no Christmas greetings for the armed forces. So, of course, people sort of followed his lead, and Loretta Swit wouldn’t do it, Gary whatever-his-name wouldn’t do it. . .
Jack had done his best to try to get these guys all to do it because he believed in it, and he was doing it. . . the only people that did it were Wayne Rogers, who was a Navy lieutenant at one point in his life, and McLean Stevenson, who was a Navy pharmacist’s mate during the Korean War. And they did a nice job. But nobody else on that show would do it.
Imagine that: a group of Hollywood people, who had made their fortunes playing in arguably the most beloved military-themed TV show of all time, refusing to offer a kind word for the troops fighting in Vietnam. Jackie Cooper had a lot of problems throughout his life, and he regretted his movie-star childhood. But at least he got into the Navy, and came out with a lifelong dedication to our armed forces that does him credit.
Cooper regularly derides his childhood acting as shallow, but at the time of The Champ hordes of moviegoers disagreed with him. The review for Variety on November 11, 1931 was typical of the euphoric reaction Cooper got from most critics and audiences:
A good picture, almost entirely by virtue of an inspired performance by a boy, Jackie Cooper. There is none of the usual hammy quality of the average child actor in this kid. He goes beyond, simply acting natural in natural situations. He has the power to square the broadest plot exaggerations that a Hollywood scenarist can devise, merely with wistful boyishness and a manner that never gets scrambled with thespian mechanics. . . The director and his meg are not mirrored in Jackie Cooper’s phiz. There is no suggestion of orders from and training under an anxious parent or tutor in a single gesture, expression, or intonation. Here is the perfect child player, chiefly because he isn’t typical.
The boy, as is customary with boys in pictures, says some strange things for a boy his age; his thinking has far more scope and depth than is good for a boy his age. There are many chances for character to become unbelievable and lose its grip, but this boy doesn’t let it get away from him.
Instead of waiting to grow up and tell his grandchildren about it, the Cooper boy can tell his grandfather right now that this is his picture. Youth isn’t wasted on children when there are kids like this. It will be talkers’ heavy loss when Jackie Cooper grows up.
And it was — to this day, Cooper is the youngest actor ever to be nominated for a Best Actor Oscar. The early superstar career ended all too soon, but then there was the Navy, and some classic M*A*S*H episodes, and of course even that wonderful late-career turn in Superman. Most other child actors turned out far worse, that’s for sure. In an age category normally dominated by Lindsay Lohans, Jackie Cooper stands out as something special.
Cooper is eighty-seven years old now, and retired from the business. His wife just died last year after over fifty years of marriage. He has several grown children (two daughters have predeceased him) and a whole bunch of memories. I hope that he’s mellowed since writing his autobiography, and that these days he’s a lot more proud of his accomplishments. He certainly deserves to be.
Next Saturday in For Conservative Movie Lovers, the gifted director of The Champ, and how he brought script, camera, and actors together to make an instant classic.
Previous posts in the series “King Vidor, Wallace Beery and The Champ“
FURTHER READING and VIEWING
Please Don’t Shoot My Dog: The Autobiography of Jackie Cooper. An honest attempt by Cooper to evaluate his life as a Hollywood star, faults and all. He often comes across as whiny and ungrateful, but he also doesn’t pull any punches, going so far as to let his detractors tell their side of the story whenever possible in their own words.
Hordes of internet websites, including Wikipedia, make the claim that in this book Cooper calls Wallace Beery, “the most sadistic person I have ever known,” and says he was a “violent, foul-mouthed drunkard,” among other things. Actually Cooper says nothing of the sort. Beery is described, fairly mildly as these things go, as a sort of Little Napoleon petty tyrant on the set: making people wait inordinately for him, demanding little favors of special treatment from directors and producers, whining over small things, and trying to upstage his fellow actors whenever possible. Among Cooper’s charges against Beery are that he didn’t tip at the commissary, never gave Cooper a ride on his speedboat, and (my personal favorite) never bought poor lil’ Coop an ice cream cone. Hardly the stuff of sadism, despite what the Internet gossips would have you believe. In the final analysis Cooper says: “I never did actually hate him, although I never liked him. . . I really don’t think he was a swell guy at all. When I first started with him, I wanted him to be. He was a big disappointment.” Not a glowing endorsement by any means, but a far cry from “the most sadistic person I have ever known.”
“Jackie Cooper Has All Aversions of the Average Youngster For Studies” by Wood Soanes. This is a reprint of a magazine exposé from 1932, soon after The Champ was released. Like many other articles, it shows Cooper at the time getting along fine with Beery. Although one might chalk that up to studio propaganda, the variety and number of sources all telling the same tale makes me think that Cooper’s opinion of Beery might have been higher as a child, only to deteriorate over the course of fifty years as an adult. (Fifty years, it should be remembered, of people constantly asking, “So what was it like working with Wallace Beery?” long after his own stardom had dimmed.)
Jackie Cooper on The Milton Berle Show (1953): A clip from this classic show showing an adult Cooper showing off his drumming skills in a musical number with sexy 1950s singer Dagmar.
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Jackie Cooper’s Birthday Party and Jackie Cooper’s Christmas Party (both 1931): These M-G-M shorts are a lot of fun, showing Jackie Cooper in his Champ heyday, having massive parties with legions of kids while being feted by all the studio’s great stars of the era, including Norma Shearer, Clark Gable, Lionel Barrymore, Jimmy Durante, and of course Wallace Beery. Keep your eyes peeled for these on TCM, where they sometimes appear.







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Over the holidays I saw Jackie's Christmas party on TCM. It was held at MGM studios with all the kid stars. The adult BIG stars of the day were the wait staff. Clark Gable waiting tables. That was another time.
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Terrific informative article. Always liked Jackie Cooper as a kid and as a man. Read his book years ago,worth reading. Cooper and Beery were a great team no two ways about it . Never cared for Alan Alda never new why, now I know. I was one of those troops over there at that time. Now I despise the bum. Dagmar on Berle's Texaco Star Theater…Wow…Good to re-visit the America I grew up in and say hello and remember. Thanks.
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Leo, are there any child actors today that you enjoy?
Aw, this was so good you made me go watch that "Rockford Files" episode "Claire" again over at IMDb. Cooper is terrific in it, not just for his superb one-liner:
Jim: You got style, captain.
Cooper: I know.
…but also for the whole performance. As someone "complains" in the episode, he comes on like a 1930s detective. Joe Santos just stands back and lets Cooper do his thing. Noah Beery in there, too; I'll have to watch it again, but I don't think Cooper and Beery ever appear together in a scene. That could just be the story line, though. The episode is up (and free) at http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi1069875225/
Cooper's name comes up in a total of 7 "Rockford Files" episodes, but I don't know what roles he played in the other six. I just happened to watch "Claire" a week or two ago, and Cooper's performance immediately came to mind. Gonna go watch it again now!
PS: That's Noah Beery, Jr, of course — Wallace's nephew.
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After watching "Claire," Noah and Jackie (1940s, not 1930s) do appear in one scene at the end; maybe I'm just influenced by reading Leo's article here, but it does seem like Beery is kind of giving Cooper the hairy eyeball, but in a cool way (as in "my contract says I have to stand here with this jerk, so here I am," when his character Rocky [who has been kidnapped, held at gunpoint, and chased around by a nut with a shotgun] would definitely be expected to be a little more lively).
Perhaps they had long memories in the Beery family. Or maybe I'm just imagining it. Anyway – thanks. I loved W. Beery in "Robin Hood" and will see "The Champ" when possible.
ScottDS asks:
"Leo, are there any child actors today that you enjoy?"
Off the top of my head, no. The last time I can remember being seriously impressed by child actors was 1993, in a film that we'll be covering in FOR CONSERVATIVE MOVIE LOVERS. (I'll leave the title to your imagination for now, although it would be fairly easy to guess.)
If you have names of little stinkers I should be looking out for, I'm open to suggestions.
@bjdeming says:
"That's Noah Beery, Jr, of course — Wallace's nephew."
Speaking of Noah Beery Jr., here's something really strange. Check out this comment from the page (which I linked to last week), about Wallace Beery's performance in THE BIG HOUSE:
http://tinyurl.com/y9luldv
It's a comment by someone claiming to be Noah Beery Jr., posted on August 11 2009, and says:
"Although many people confuse us, my Uncle Wally was a more gifted actor, and a great inspiration to me. Thank you for noting his work. My father was always inspiring, but I think I might have branched out and tried something different — no man wants to become his father when he's young. But the inspiration provided to me by my uncle was one of the most important influences in a young boy's formative years. That, and my work with Douglas Fairbanks during the making of THE MASK OF ZORRO. Why, even my father remarked that Douglas Fairbanks reaffirmed, for my pops, the joys of acting. Hell, of being alive. So again, I thank you for this forum, and for the recognition of Uncle Wally's work. PS He was tyrannical on the set, but anything but a tyrant in life. He was a good, solid man. And I loved him."
Sounds as if it's really Noah Beery Jr. talking (and he confirms a lot of the things I divined on my own about his Uncle Wally not being the ogre so many people claim he was). Only problem is: Noah Beery Jr. died way back in 1994, virtually pre-Internet. So who posted these comments? A relative? A fan who cribbed these lines from an old interview? But note that the comments thank the current 2009 writer of this article for "this forum, and for the recognition of Uncle Wally's work." Very Strange.
@bjdeming says:
"I loved W. Beery in "Robin Hood"
Beery once said in an interview, "It was Douglas Fairbanks who took me out of heavy parts. He paid me $800 a week to play Richard the Lion-Hearted in ROBIN HOOD. I wanted to play John, the villainous brother, but Doug insisted that I could do Richard. After the preview Doug came to me and said, 'Wally, you're great! In the scenes you play with me, nobody will look at me. They'll have their eyes on you. I'm delighted with the job you did.' That shows Doug Fairbanks' character as well as anything I ever heard. He was delighted to think an actor had stolen scenes from him — the star!"
I found this story of Beery's interesting, considering all of the accusations later from guys like Jackie Cooper complaining that Beery would steal scenes from other actors. I never understood what the problem was with that, and think that more interesting behavior on the screen courtesy of the supporting actors is almost always better. A big problem with movies is how, when there's a big star involved, frequently they force everything around them to shrink and fade into the background so that the star can shine unimpeded. I like the John Ford way better, how he forced guys like Fonda and Wayne into wide shots with all sorts of clever character actors doing their best to rip your attention away from the stars. It humanizes the star and gives him his proper proportion. Beery understood that, and always did his best to steal scenes and force others to retaliate until the screen sparkled with life. THE CHAMP has a lot of that, the screen fairly bursts with interesting faces and expressions and line readings.
A part of Beery's success in ROBIN HOOD had to do not with the script but with the gusto he brought to his peculiar interpretation of that role. "In one of the scenes," he said, "I ate a leg of lamb, and I actually ate every bit of it, too. It was my interpretation of King Richard as a rough-and-ready monarch that really opened the door to big money for me."
ROBIN HOOD was Beery's ticket out of years of being typecast as (very successful) villains, and he was able to parlay that success into doing a lot of comedies and other things (he even reprised his ROBIN HOOD character in 1923's RICHARD THE LION-HEARTED). When you read contemporary reviews of old silent movies, or anecdotal stories from people who went to see them, it becomes really sad that so many are lost forever, because they affected period audiences every bit as much as good modern movies affect us now. Packed audiences laughed uproariously, cried like babies, and remembered brilliant shots and scenes for the rest of their lives.
Jackie Cooper- two things.
First he was superb in Treasure Island as jim Hawkins. the interplay between him and Wallace beery as Long John Silver must have been the way Robert Louis Stevenson imagined it.
Second, how about The People's Choice? He starred with Cleo the bassett hound. Unforgettable.
Cory says:
"Jackie Cooper. . . was superb in TREASURE ISLAND as Jim Hawkins."
Here's Jackie Cooper on TREASURE ISLAND:
"Lots of my contemporaries, or people who grew up in the era when they could have seen that as children, feel it was one of the high spots of their childhood. . .for me, at twelve going on thirteen, it was the hardest work of my life, and some of the most unpleasant. There were some bright spots, mostly from my association with the director, Victor Fleming. To begin with, I was miscast. . .they should have gotten an older boy, preferably English, one with more maturity. I didn't realize I was wrong then (and the public eventually accepted me) but Fleming knew it. And he tried to get me to act older. I would read the lines as I had always read lines. Fleming would tell me not to whine, to try to act more mature. It was the first time anyone had made me think about what I was doing, really to consider my character and how to make him come alive."
Cooper adds that M-G-M head Louis B. Mayer, "broke Fleming's heart by turning down color for the film." Fleming would get his chance to shine in color a few years later when he directed THE WIZARD OF OZ and GONE WITH THE WIND back-to-back.
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I enjoyed Haley Joel Osment in The Sixth Sense but he isn't exactly a "child actor" anymore and that film came out 11 years ago. I also liked the girl in Little Miss Sunshine but I don't really have anyone on my radar now.
FWIW – I think that more than a link and a passing reference to Cooper's work in the 'Little Rascals' (more properly – "Our Gang") is required here. His work in those short, sweet comedy films define an era in America and American films that was about to pass from the scene. It looks like there were only 14 films that he appeared in between 1929 and 1931, but in the realm of Our Gangiana, they are special.
http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0178114/
# Bargain Day (1931)
# Love Business (1931) …. Jackie
# Helping Grandma (1931) …. Jackie
# School's Out (1930) …. Jackie
# Teacher's Pet (1930) …. Jackie
# Pups Is Pups (1930) …. Jackie
# A Tough Winter (1930) …. Jackie
# Bear Shooters (1930) …. Jackie
# When the Wind Blows (1930) …. Jack
# The First Seven Years (1930) …. Jackie
# Shivering Shakespeare (1930) …. Jackie
# Moan & Groan, Inc. (1929) …. Jackie
# Bouncing Babies (1929) …. Jackie
# Boxing Gloves (1929) …. Jackie
Aw, now I'm gonna have to go watch "Robin Hood" again (it's at the Internet Archive http://www.archive.org/details/FairbanksRobinHood... ). These columns are sort of like pyramids – one thing just leads to another. Thanks! (again)
The Beery quote about his rough-and-ready monarch character is right on spot. He does this thing with his hands, too, where he clenches and unclenches them when Richard faces a serious problem that he can't tackle physically and doesn't know what to do. How difficult that must be, for an intelligent man to play a very strong but not overly bright character.
And Richard's eating establishes his brother's character, too, right at the beginning of the movie: John (played superbly by Sam de Grasse) is sitting next to Richard on the dais during the tournament; Richard is chomping away, and it just so grosses John out but he doesn't dare show it. It's wonderful!
I didn't know that picture got Beery out of being typecast as a villain; it's interesting, because de Grasse did so well as Prince John, he specialized in bad guys for the rest of his career.
Ford did that to Thomas Mitchell, too, in "Stagecoach," and probably one could add "The Long Voyage Home," too (and perhaps others of his with Mitchell that I haven't seen yet). The result is a delight to audiences, because it improves everybody's performance so much, and it didn't hurt Mitchell, who won an Oscar in 1939.
Whatever happened to Thomas Mitchell?
Wayne was coming up at the time, and the experience also probably helped him to develop that famous willingness to let somebody take over a scene…if they could. Some did, too, but only if they were really, really good, because he was tough to beat.
What a golden age the first 60 years or so of the 20th Century were in film!
My father-in-law has a story he likes to tell about picking up a hitchhiker in the Solomon Islands during WWII and being surprised to find out it was Jackie Cooper. He was thrilled to meet the child-actor-turned-sailor.
Thank you for your service, sir!! I don't care for Alda as well, To me he came off as too sanctimonious.
He directed a couple of Rockford episodes that I know of, Off the top of my head I don't know which ones. Also he was in a two parter "The House On Willis Avenue." I Love "The Rockford Files" and was scrolling down the comments for someone to mention it in regards to Mr Cooper.
L.B. "Oscar" Mayer,
Are the Our Gang episodes available in one place somewhere? Netflix only seems to have the usual cheapo greatest hits and public domain type DVDs.
California_Girl,
Has your Dad ever given any details to the story we might want to know? (for instance, did he ask Cooper, "So how was it like to work with Wallace Beery?")
Even allowing for M*A*S*H's liberal bent I always liked the show, it certainly weathered a series of cast changes to rival LAW AND ORDER, changes that would have killed a lesser show stone dead. What kills me is how a guy like Alda can do a show that glorifies the drafted grunts and mocks the brass, but then refuses to send a simple Christmas message to those very grunts just on the basis of some ill-reasoned political principle.
Someone page Big Hollywood's Burt Prelutsky, and let's see if he has any memories of the M*A*S*H gang that are relevant to this discussion. He didn't start writing for them until after Cooper's time, but maybe he remembers something.
Jackie at one time had a TV show called "Henessey" I believe and I think he portrayed a navy guy in it as well.
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