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	<title>Comments on: For Conservative Movie Lovers: John Ford, John Wayne, and &#8216;They Were Expendable&#8217; Part 6</title>
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		<title>By: Elektrische Zahnbuerste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elektrische Zahnbuerste</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: @bjdeming</title>
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		<dc:creator>@bjdeming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(cont....) 
 
Will we get Thomas Mitchell and Victor McLaglen open threads? Hardly anybody would recognize either man&#039;s name today, unfortunately, but McLaglen was good, especially in his younger days, and Mitchell (to bring politics into it, he was the brother of an Eisnenhower administration cabinet member) was a towering giant. They were also the ones whose shoes Wayne and others had to fill...the past always influences the present, and if we are to look at the influence of past figures like Ford and Wayne, then we also have to look beyond them, and behind them, to further discover our own sources today. 
 
And Mildred Natwick, too, please!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(cont&#8230;.) </p>
<p>Will we get Thomas Mitchell and Victor McLaglen open threads? Hardly anybody would recognize either man&#039;s name today, unfortunately, but McLaglen was good, especially in his younger days, and Mitchell (to bring politics into it, he was the brother of an Eisnenhower administration cabinet member) was a towering giant. They were also the ones whose shoes Wayne and others had to fill&#8230;the past always influences the present, and if we are to look at the influence of past figures like Ford and Wayne, then we also have to look beyond them, and behind them, to further discover our own sources today. </p>
<p>And Mildred Natwick, too, please!</p>
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		<title>By: @bjdeming</title>
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		<dc:creator>@bjdeming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found a $9.99 DVD version of &quot;They Were Expendable&quot; in the drug store, but it was by a no-name company; and after reading this series, I want to watch a really good version of it. Thank you again for this. 
 
Thanks, too, for the link to Harry Carey, Jr&#039;s, book -- this is my &quot;John Ford Discovery Year,&quot; and I can&#039;t get enough information about his &quot;company.&quot; I first really noticed Pennick in Ford&#039;s &quot;Hangman&#039;s House,&quot; where he has an uncredited role--the image of him picking up that log when the hero and heroine arrive at Citizen Hogan&#039;s hideout is unforgettable; that was two years after he started making pictures, apparently. He had a long career! (Somehow I always think of Joe Sawyer/Sauer when thinking of Pennick, but Pennick is the appropriate one to write about here.) 
 
Ward Bond was a solid actor, and appears in the most films of the American Film Institute&#039;s list of the &quot;100 Greatest American Movies.&quot; He was the first of the &quot;company&quot; to impress me (as Seth Adams in &quot;Wagon Train&quot; as a kid); and now I especially enjoy his performances in &quot;The Searchers&quot; and &quot;The Quiet Man,&quot; (he was in &quot;Mr Smith Goes To Washington,&quot; too), but also like his death scene in &quot;The Long Voyage Home,&quot; which Ford turned just about a full 180 degrees from the way O&#039;Neill wrote original play (&quot;Bound For Cardiff&quot;) that section of the movie was based on. You won&#039;t win many friends by promoting his politics, though he didn&#039;t whine about the Hollywood backlash it earned him; he just capped his career with a triumph. It&#039;s such a pleasure to watch that last on-screen conversation between Wayne and Bond in &quot;Rio Bravo.&quot; 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found a $9.99 DVD version of &quot;They Were Expendable&quot; in the drug store, but it was by a no-name company; and after reading this series, I want to watch a really good version of it. Thank you again for this. </p>
<p>Thanks, too, for the link to Harry Carey, Jr&#039;s, book &#8212; this is my &quot;John Ford Discovery Year,&quot; and I can&#039;t get enough information about his &quot;company.&quot; I first really noticed Pennick in Ford&#039;s &quot;Hangman&#039;s House,&quot; where he has an uncredited role&#8211;the image of him picking up that log when the hero and heroine arrive at Citizen Hogan&#039;s hideout is unforgettable; that was two years after he started making pictures, apparently. He had a long career! (Somehow I always think of Joe Sawyer/Sauer when thinking of Pennick, but Pennick is the appropriate one to write about here.) </p>
<p>Ward Bond was a solid actor, and appears in the most films of the American Film Institute&#039;s list of the &quot;100 Greatest American Movies.&quot; He was the first of the &quot;company&quot; to impress me (as Seth Adams in &quot;Wagon Train&quot; as a kid); and now I especially enjoy his performances in &quot;The Searchers&quot; and &quot;The Quiet Man,&quot; (he was in &quot;Mr Smith Goes To Washington,&quot; too), but also like his death scene in &quot;The Long Voyage Home,&quot; which Ford turned just about a full 180 degrees from the way O&#039;Neill wrote original play (&quot;Bound For Cardiff&quot;) that section of the movie was based on. You won&#039;t win many friends by promoting his politics, though he didn&#039;t whine about the Hollywood backlash it earned him; he just capped his career with a triumph. It&#039;s such a pleasure to watch that last on-screen conversation between Wayne and Bond in &quot;Rio Bravo.&quot; </p>
<p>(to be cont&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: JeffWeimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffWeimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger that, but even Bill Donovan was human and he evidently made a mistake :)  
 
In any case, Jack Pennick would probably give the benefit of the doubt because he&#039;s that kind of guy .  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger that, but even Bill Donovan was human and he evidently made a mistake <img src='http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>In any case, Jack Pennick would probably give the benefit of the doubt because he&#039;s that kind of guy .</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Day,Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Day,Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McBride&#039;s book is excellent (as is his book on Capra). I just thought that were times in both books where it seemed McBride wanted to go out of his way to show that Ford and Capra&#039;s &quot;demons&quot; that they supposedly suffered in their later years might of had to do with conservative thinking.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McBride&#039;s book is excellent (as is his book on Capra). I just thought that were times in both books where it seemed McBride wanted to go out of his way to show that Ford and Capra&#039;s &quot;demons&quot; that they supposedly suffered in their later years might of had to do with conservative thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: ewem</title>
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		<dc:creator>ewem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article really contrasts today;s Hollywood, which is focused on the evil in man, in our nation, in political enemies, in the religious -  and the Hollywood of John Ford which focused on the greatness of the average man, and our nation of average men. A focus on evil leads to a tailspin of defeat. The awe for the strength a humble man can muster is part of the John Ford vision.  
 
Robert Montgomery played many fluff films. There was a sensitivity, or self consciousness in his persona that separated Montgomery from the scenery. I did not know his war history. What a contrast with today&#039;s Hollywood, where patriotism is suspect.  
 
They Were Expendable and Fort Apache were both great films. Fort Apache is my favorite of the two because something in it is so real I can feel the temperature of the breezes and the emotion is unwrapped. I cannot tire of that wonderful depiction of man. 
 
I look forward to reading the other articles of the series. Thanks </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article really contrasts today;s Hollywood, which is focused on the evil in man, in our nation, in political enemies, in the religious &#8211;  and the Hollywood of John Ford which focused on the greatness of the average man, and our nation of average men. A focus on evil leads to a tailspin of defeat. The awe for the strength a humble man can muster is part of the John Ford vision.  </p>
<p>Robert Montgomery played many fluff films. There was a sensitivity, or self consciousness in his persona that separated Montgomery from the scenery. I did not know his war history. What a contrast with today&#039;s Hollywood, where patriotism is suspect.  </p>
<p>They Were Expendable and Fort Apache were both great films. Fort Apache is my favorite of the two because something in it is so real I can feel the temperature of the breezes and the emotion is unwrapped. I cannot tire of that wonderful depiction of man. </p>
<p>I look forward to reading the other articles of the series. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really nice to read a blog conducted with civil language and polite discourse, to say nothing of the education! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s really nice to read a blog conducted with civil language and polite discourse, to say nothing of the education!</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Grin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo Grin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maureen,  
 
Thanks for your take on this. It&#039;s always worth keeping in mind how severely cultural mores change, and that our grandparents lived in a world that is now foreign to ours in many key respects.  
 
I don&#039;t believe either was married at the time, and the movie doesn&#039;t insinuate anything untoward about their relationship -- they don&#039;t kiss during the entire film, or even embrace save to dance. The lady&#039;s case was based almost solely around the scene where John Wayne and Donna Reed are left to talk in the dark after Wayne&#039;s buddies politely excuse themselves at the end of dinner. It&#039;s an extraordinarily chaste scene, even by 1940s standards -- if you watch it, you&#039;ll see what I mean. (and for all of you readers out there who have been following this series, listen carefully to the guitar-and-harmonica melody being played ever so softly under their dialogue -- by now, if I&#039;ve done my job, you should immediately recognize it.) 
 
In the end, it wasn&#039;t losing the case that spooked the studio, but the size of the judgment: $290,000, which adjusting for inflation would come to almost three million pazoors today. Even the newspapers at the time deemed the case threadbare and opportunistic, so it came as a big shock to everyone, and scared the studios into proactively protecting themselves against such charges in the future. Meanwhile the guy on which Wayne&#039;s character was based only got a few thou! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maureen,  </p>
<p>Thanks for your take on this. It&#039;s always worth keeping in mind how severely cultural mores change, and that our grandparents lived in a world that is now foreign to ours in many key respects.  </p>
<p>I don&#039;t believe either was married at the time, and the movie doesn&#039;t insinuate anything untoward about their relationship &#8212; they don&#039;t kiss during the entire film, or even embrace save to dance. The lady&#039;s case was based almost solely around the scene where John Wayne and Donna Reed are left to talk in the dark after Wayne&#039;s buddies politely excuse themselves at the end of dinner. It&#039;s an extraordinarily chaste scene, even by 1940s standards &#8212; if you watch it, you&#039;ll see what I mean. (and for all of you readers out there who have been following this series, listen carefully to the guitar-and-harmonica melody being played ever so softly under their dialogue &#8212; by now, if I&#039;ve done my job, you should immediately recognize it.) </p>
<p>In the end, it wasn&#039;t losing the case that spooked the studio, but the size of the judgment: $290,000, which adjusting for inflation would come to almost three million pazoors today. Even the newspapers at the time deemed the case threadbare and opportunistic, so it came as a big shock to everyone, and scared the studios into proactively protecting themselves against such charges in the future. Meanwhile the guy on which Wayne&#039;s character was based only got a few thou!</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Grin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo Grin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, 
 
Fair enough (I&#039;m certainly no expert on military terminology and protocol) but in my defense, Pennick was both a marine in his early years during World War I, and a Navy/OSS man in Ford&#039;s Field Photo Unit in World War II. Note that even Wild Bill Donovan refers to Pennick as a &quot;soldier&quot; in the quote I gave in the article above. 
 
Like Ford, Pennick is buried pretty close to where I live, so if his shade is angered I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll have a nocturnal visitor rapping, tapping at my door any minute now. Once a Marine, always a Marine. . . 
 
I envy you your first, fresh viewing of EXPENDABLE.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, </p>
<p>Fair enough (I&#039;m certainly no expert on military terminology and protocol) but in my defense, Pennick was both a marine in his early years during World War I, and a Navy/OSS man in Ford&#039;s Field Photo Unit in World War II. Note that even Wild Bill Donovan refers to Pennick as a &quot;soldier&quot; in the quote I gave in the article above. </p>
<p>Like Ford, Pennick is buried pretty close to where I live, so if his shade is angered I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll have a nocturnal visitor rapping, tapping at my door any minute now. Once a Marine, always a Marine. . . </p>
<p>I envy you your first, fresh viewing of EXPENDABLE.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Grin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo Grin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, 
 
I wrote about Joe McBride and his wonderful book at length in the FURTHER READING section of the first post in this series: 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/yk96fw5&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/yk96fw5&lt;/a&gt; 
 
A reader named scruvy mentioned the Leftist slant of parts of the book here: 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/ykgjpfc&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/ykgjpfc&lt;/a&gt; 
 
And my response to his (and now your) comments can be found here: 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/yf3zdrb&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/yf3zdrb&lt;/a&gt; 
 
I agree with your take, but still find the book invaluable. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, </p>
<p>I wrote about Joe McBride and his wonderful book at length in the FURTHER READING section of the first post in this series: </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/yk96fw5" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/yk96fw5</a> </p>
<p>A reader named scruvy mentioned the Leftist slant of parts of the book here: </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ykgjpfc" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/ykgjpfc</a> </p>
<p>And my response to his (and now your) comments can be found here: </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/yf3zdrb" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/yf3zdrb</a> </p>
<p>I agree with your take, but still find the book invaluable.</p>
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