Semper Films: The Top Ten Marine Corps Movies
by Kurt SchlichterThe men and women who earn the right to wear eagle, globe and anchor of the United States Marine Corps are a special breed. To those outside the Corps, they talk funny. They look funny. They are extremely impressed with themselves – and they have every right to be.

My beloved United States Army is a blunt instrument, a magnificent club that has pummels our nation’s enemies into submission. But the Marines are America’s rapier, a razor sharp weapon of war that has never been bested and never will be. For over two centuries, the United States Marine Corps has been fighting our country’s battles in the air, on land and sea. They don’t give up. They don’t quit. There’s no word for retreat in a Marine’s vocabulary. And they are making history even today in the mountains of Afghanistan and elsewhere.
November 10th is the Corps’ 234th birthday. With the indulgence of my Devil Dog brethren, here is this Army veteran’s countdown of the Top Ten Marine Corp movies:

10. 55 Days at Peking: The Boxer Rebellion in China provides the backdrop for this epic true-life tale of Marines (with help from a few others) protecting civilians from rampaging Chinese peasants. Charlton Heston is the head Marine; Ava Gardner and David Niven show up as well.
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9. Jarhead: This film of Anthony Swofford’s book about Marines in Operation Desert Storm is a mixed bag. Perhaps director Sam Mendes was trying to make up for his slander of military men in American Beauty by making an attempt to understand how men function in wartime. He effectively captures the unreality of that war, but his depiction of the desert environment itself is somehow off (though not as inaccurate as the awful Three Kings). The clouds of oily smoke after the Iraqis set off the wells did bring back some memories. Look for Jamie Foxx as a tough Marine sergeant.
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8. Gung Ho: This World War Two story recounts the real-life story of the Marine’s raid on the Japanese position on Makin Island early in the war. Watch for Robert Mitchum as a Devil Dog named “Pig Iron.”
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7. A Few Good Men: This is problematic film for several reasons. First, it promotes the idea that lawyers as attractive, interesting people, which is demonstrably untrue. Second, it is positively schizophrenic in its attitude toward the Corps. Noted Hollywood liberal Aaron Sorkin penned the script, which features Jack Nicholson’s legendary “You can’t handle the truth!”speech. Many look on that speech as an inspiration, not an indictment. Regardless, the issue of a society that demands protection yet questions the manner those who protect it do so resonates even more powerfully today than when Sorkin wrote it.
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6. Aliens: Okay, so James Cameron’s classic sci-fi flick is not technically about the United States Marine Corps, but ditch the space ships and hi-tech weapons and this band of Colonial Marines would be at home in today’s USMC. The interplay between the Marines is priceless. Their gunnery sergeant, played by Al Mathews, is calm, capable and scary. And as Private Hudson, Bill Paxton plays the most amusing military screw-up in film history. “Game over, man! Game over!”
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5. Generation Kill: This a miniseries is a tough call because there is a lot good and a lot bad about it, but it honors the Marines who have been fighting for us since 9/11 and so deserves a spot here. The bad first – there’s too much talking and pondering of the bigger issues going on. Those portions feel forced into the script to fit the filmmakers’ pre-existing anti-war narrative. What is accurate is the look and feel of the film. This light recon battalion is quite similar to an Army cavalry recon squadron, and the way the men lived in and around their vehicle feels true. One particularly good scene involves a young Marine asking to medevac a wounded civilian. You expect a typical movie conflict between the sensitive young officer and his uncaring superior, but instead the filmmakers have the battalion commander explain his perspective and the consequences he has to consider when deciding whether to divert evac resources away from his own wounded. It’s a powerful scene that demonstrates how high ranking officers, often portrayed on film as self-absorbed, obtuse and insensitive, bear enormous responsibilities for making difficult decisions that their subordinates sometimes do not fully appreciate.
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4. Pride of the Marines: This is the story of Marine Al Schmid, blinded fighting the Japanese in the Pacific, and his return home. It is a moving testament to the human cost of war and it demonstrates the price paid by many Marines over the years – and a price many continue to pay today. It is also the story about how once you become a Marine, you remain a Marine, and how that pride will stay with you throughout your life.
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3. Heartbreak Ridge: The great Clint Eastwood does a tour of duty here as Tom Highway, a Marine gunnery sergeant his obnoxious new commander labels a “dinosaur.” When all hell breaks loose on a tropical paradise called Grenada, Clint and his platoon smack around Castro’s minions. It’s very cool. One theme of the film is how a great sergeant grows his lieutenants into real leaders, and anyone who has been a platoon leader will smile as the nerdy LT learns to take charge and finally seizes the initiative to win the fight. Look for Mario Van Peebles as the world’s least likely Marine.
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2. Full Metal Jacket: Don’t see this a week before you ship to basic training. Take it from personal experience that this is a poor idea. R. Lee Ermey’s hilarious and horrifying turn as a Marine drill instructor is a legend, and properly so. His four minute verbal assault on his recruits is appalling, and yet one cannot turn away. The second half of the film, which covers the retaking of the Vietnamese city of Hue during the Tet offensive, is a solid depiction of the terrors of urban combat. Watch Big Hollywood’s own Adam Baldwin and the rest of the cast as they demonstrate the awesome firepower of a Marine infantry squad:
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1. Sands of Iwo Jima: A classic Hollywood story told against the backdrop of the greatest battle in Corps history, it features the Duke in his legendary role as Sergeant Stryker. As much as we all love R. Lee Ermey, John Wayne remains the gold standard for hardass Marine sergeants. This is the story of a tough NCO welding a gaggle of recruits into a lethal team of Marines, and this story is being repeated today with a new generation of tough NCOs and recruits. Only the battlefields, uniforms and weapons are different. The fighting spirit is the same.
I bleed Army green, but even I have to admit that the Marines are something special. But they don’t need validation from me or from anyone else. They are Marines. That says it all.
Semper Fi.





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Make it the Top Eleven", so you can include "The D.I." starring Jack Webb of Dragnet fame.
i literally love any war movie with a positive point. band of brothers was an amazing series, and saving private ryan's intro scene was powerful.
Let us not forget Guadalcanal Diary and Wake Island.
John Wayne's cement square at Mann's Chinese Theater is made with sand from Iwo Jima.
Ugh, Jarhead sucked. Swaford was such a crybaby, he drove me nuts. I thought the whole thing was pretty embarassing to anyone who holds the title of "Marine".
I disagree with ALIENS. It is a good sci-fi film, but it's portrayel of soldiers as incompetant, unprofessional losers is an intentional insult typical of Hollywood and arrogant pukes like Cameron. I was a gator sailor and knew some fine Marines in my time. Semper fi, jarheads.
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Happy Birthday US Marine Corp! My father in law is a proud Marine, having served in Korea. God bless you all!
Another Marine movie is Battle Cry. The following is from Guts and Glory by Lawrence H. Suid, "Nonetheless, Marines themselves seem divided in their loyalties between Sands of Iwo Jima and Battle Cry. Many consider the later film more representative of their service experiences. To them, Sands of Iwo Jima tells the story of one Marine, Sergeant Stryker. In contrast, Battle Cry tells of the varied experiences of many men, both in military situations and off-duty"
OOH RAH–Happy Birthday, USMC–Semper Fi. Sands of Iwo Jima all the way–best depiction of Marines. Glad you distinguished that Jarhead and A Few Good Men are problematic choices.
I cannot understand the inclusion of Jarhead and Generation Kill….. both of them anti-military; anti-warrior; anti-US hollyweird crap-fests! If only they make a movie about the marine corps, did it make the list??? Did you just list every Marine movie you could think of? What marine-centric movie didn't make the cut?
To list anti-war diatribe movies on the Marine Corp birthday is pitiful. Even A Few Good Men was a 80's anti-Reagan military flick. There are a few good lines uttered by Jack in there, but they were intended to show just how screwed up unchecked Marine Corp officers were! Thank God the Navy's JAG showed up and put a stop to it all!!!
John Wayne never saw the insides of a seabag.I ve never understood this "relationship" with the USMC.Readiing various John Wayne biographies, it is clear he did everything he could to stay out of the military, never mind the Marines.
My Dad , with two kids,volunteered and went into the Army at age 39, much older than Wayne….
I don't know how Wayne could look in the mirror
A former Marine
Great post! However, Heartbreak Ridge should be #1, as most marines will agree. And where is "Flags of our Fathers"? Jarhead is an insult to marines and was a terrible movie.
About Generation Kill. I spend 6 months working next to a Recon Battalion Marine who was there (second platoon if I remember correctly…….his platoon commander was "Captain America" and his platoon sgt was the one who told Capt. America…"if you fire that AK again I'll f&%k you up"). My co worker was the leader of the team that took the engineers out to mark the mine field then had to rescue them when they walked into the mine field and got blown up. Anyway, every event in that movie actually happened and happened pretty much the way it was shown (including the "combat jack" with the photo of the reporters girlfriend). Three of the actual Recon marines actually played parts in the show…..one played himself (Rudy), and many marines, including my co worker, consulted during production to "get it right"____If anyone wants to see what the first 30 days of the war was like for the marines who so the most fighting of any combat group in OIF1, watch this movie. But be prepared for some very coarse language.
As a Marine, 10: "Flags of Our Fathers" 9: "Full Metal Jacket" (but only the bootcamp part), 8: "55 Days", 7: "Pride of the Marines" 6: "Heartbreak Ridge" 5: "Gung Ho", 4: "Tell it to the Marines" 3: "The Flying Leathernecks" 2: "Guadalcanal Diary", 1: "The Sands of Iwo Jima".
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At least it was till Ethel and Lucy stole it.
Start 'splainin' Lucy!
Nothing is wrong with Generation Kill. That was all true to life, and real Marines portrayed on the show were technical advisers. Just because you can't accept the fact that Marines aren't always "F YEAH AMERICA!!!!" doesn't mean anything.
I thought it was a so-so movie. Definitely not one I'd nominate. I thought Flags of Our Fathers was much better.
Some of those movies are totally disprespectful to the corps. And how could you miss Guadalcanal Diary? You need to up your war movie IQ.
I didn't like "Flags of our Fathers". It seemed anti-war to me.
But, I liked "Wind Talkers". I think it should be on the list instead of "Few Good Men".
Taking Chance?
How's that old saying go, soldiers are the most anti-war people there are, because they're the one who do the fighting.
Congratulations U.S. Marines! I thank the good Lord you're on our side!
Jarhead was pretty weak, especially the guy who starts talking to his dead Iraqi. Talk about a ripoff from Full Metal Jacket (which should far and away be #1).
It figures an Army guy would include Heartbreak Ridge. That movie is ruined by one line, uttered by the Sgt Maj so quickly and casually you almost don't catch it. "We were in the Army then, joined the Corps later."
Love the inclusion of Aliens!
Ive been more surprised how former military have demonstrated themselves as Democrats and leftists and anti-Constitution (*coughJohnMcCaincough*) than I was over how Generaton Kill showed our military. As someone who is very much on the periphery of life in the military (meaning I have no experience at all, not even by proxy), GK gave me a respect for the hardships the soldiers have to go through. I think the worst anti-war thing I heard was the grumbling about the mission and why they had to be there, but all in all, I thought the actors gave a real sense of human beings doing what they got in the military to do, and with a sense of pride and accomplishment.
I dunno…maybe I just have rose-colored glasses and a romance for the soldier…
There are many other films about the Marines and each of them says basically the same thing: The Marines are special. My father (Saipan, Tinian) and brother-in-law (Vietnam thrice over) served honorably and were Marines til they died years later. Semper Fi, Marines… and Happy Birthday.
I think i read somewhere that Wayne repeatedly attempted to enter the USAF, but they wouldn't allow him, because if he did die, it would ruin the morale of the country.
Thanks for the post, Kurt. Can't wait for HBO's "The Pacific". I'm sure it will top all future lists.
Oorah.
Great picks, both movies should be on the list. I would also add, "The Wind and the Lion".
I wholeheartedly agree! It was one of the most reverential and moving stories about our military I have seen in a long time, and I'm not one for watching military movies (even though my husband is Army Reserve).
I watched this during my husband's last tour (he just returned home in August) and my eyes were not dry from the beginning to the end.
It was just beautiful.
Though the plot wasn't about the USMC, one of my favorite movies has a memorable and positive depiction of the Corps – "The Wind and The Lion". The jarheads double-timing in formation past the other countries' embassies and then the storming of the palace was great!
As the wife of an Army Reserve Captain who did 2 tours in Iraq, I wish our Marine brethern a very happy birthday and hopefully many many more! And a big THANK YOU for all that you do to keep us safe! You are NOT forgotten and you are always appreciated
Does Jack Webb's ,"The D.I.", fit in on your list?
I love the movie…
That line had to be thrown in, the Corps wasn't at Heartbreak Ridge, Korea…
Many complaints in production led to the decision, which also explains why there is a small "bump" in the movie's smoothness up to that point…
Its okay; the US Army Rangers were tasked with the college student rescue, not the USMC…
YES. Thanks for posting about that film. Both the embassy scene and where the commander throws in with Peticarius and the children to save the Rizouli were breathtaking examples of the true meaning of "Gung Ho". Always one of my top-ten films for almost any list.
Also a strong pick. The Marines in that flick were shall we say…Most Direct.
Happy Birthday Marines!
I was one of two sailors assigned to augment a marine watch section (1971). Best night ever was when they were wanting to pop some corn, but no oil available. One of them runs down to the armory and brings back a can of gun oil. Man that popcorn was nasty!!
L Mishoe
USN (Ret)
I'll third that. Great portrayal of Teddy Roosevelt. Although apparently in real life Peticarius was a man!
That clip is shown in pretty much every Marine training school.
The Siege of Firebase Gloria is the best Marine movie nobody has ever seen.
Aliens and Jarhead, but no Halls Of Montezuma? You're nuts!
Here's a interesting list of notable **Marines from wikipedia with some surprises(Thomas Sowell and Captain Kangaroo, who would have guessed):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_Unit...
**I made the mistake of introducing my husband as an "ex"-Marine(Vietnam era) in a American Legion a few years ago and was met with a resounding chorus of "there are no "ex-Marines, sweetheart". I learned my lesson. Semper Fi
Mjolnir: I forgot all about "D.I.", yes it fits on the list.
The Marine Corp Silent Drill Platoon, if you've never seen them, they are fabulous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y90UPLLo6nY
One of my Marine instructors (I was Navy) showed us the clip of taking the palace as an example of expeditionary warfare. That segment personifies the USMC for me. Happy Birthday, Marines!
Taking Chance was definitely one of the best. I had a rough time making it through clear-eyed. As to A Few Good Men, what I hated most was that the entire "good guy" legal team was Navy–aren't there ever any mixed Navy/Marine JAG teams?
One of my favorites missed the list. Darren McGavin and Jan Michael Vincent in Tribes. Lots of errors in it, but lots of good stuff as well. McGavin was great as the DI, and Earl Holiman had the best line of all: "Everything I do is for the good of the Corps, and don't you forget it!"
Given your other choices, I thought as much…thanks for adding it on…
Why are we limiting this to ten choices, anyway?
Battle Cry—the novel by Leon Uris—is even better.
Hi Kurt, since we are honoring the USMC 's birthday with films that show the Marines in films. How about a 'old' film that became that way because Hollywood refuse to pick it up. I made this film to honor the Vietnam Vets which is not allowed in Hollywood. This is why FORGOTTEN HEROES is old but that is a useless excuse used by distributors and conservatives. The film is brand new when you see it, who cares when it was made. The story is fresh and timely, it honors our vets who were spit on by the left of Hollywood. It isn't a studio level film, it doesn't have huge name actors in it but it does have WILLIAM SMITH as a Russian General who is defecting for freedom during the Vietnam war.
I am a unknown conservative who made a film that has to constantly fight for every inch of space to get the word out there. I am a part of all these conservative groups out here in Hollywood and I know everyone that runs conservative blogs. I feel that filmmakers like me must be promoted more then the established filmmakers they have the resources which guys like me only have the ability to post on Big Hollywood
FORGOTTEN HEROES is a small action war drama that honors our Marines in Vietnam, the film has no F-bobs in it. It is Objective Burma meets Kelly's Heros in Vietnam, check out my website and read for yourself. http://www.forgottenheroesthemovie.com/
I will be on the Frank Pastore Show today at 5pm PST on KKLA you can listen live to hear my story http://www.kkla.com/LocalHosts/4/ I will be on maybe one segment maybe two. Frank likes my story and he has promoted me in the past.
Thanks for honoring our Marines, I just want you to know about another small indie film called FORGOTTEN HEROES that honors the Marines too and was stopped over twenty years ago to get this film out to the public. Would you think that story would be considered 'old news'?
How about "The Boys from Company C". As a Vietnam Marine I can, like all Marines, relate to the opening scene in Full Metal Jacket. Every time I see it, the hair on the back of my neck goes up!!! Semper Fi Marines on our 234th birthday. Big legacy in my family: older brother, youngest brother, oldest son, myself, all Marines and very proud of it. Dad was Corpsman during Korean War
Big Dawg
USMC Vietnam
70-71
Now, that's "Hardcore" Gung-Ho!
A good one was missed: "The Great Santini" with Robert Duval. I watched it last night (yet again) to commemorate the Corps' birthday today. From a fellow Marine to all other Marines, Semper Fi!
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d117/donny100/H...
A favorite of mine – SALUTE TO THE MARINES – 1943
Made during WW2, it chronicles the post USMC exploits of retired Marine Wallace Beery who finds himself living amongst a group of pacifists in the Philippines at the behest of his gentle wife. The action is minimal until 12/07/1941.
What I like about this film is that even though he is retired, he has never forgotten why he enlisted, what he learned and why he served in the first place. He imparts his training to the local young Philippinos before hand and when the time comes that they need to put that training to use, they are ready and so is he.
It will turn up on TMC, if anywhere.
I would include these 2 for sure. my father was at "the Canal". God rest his soul, he died at age 92 at home in bed. Semper Fi! From One son of 5 of a Marine.
You left out "Heaven Knows, Mr. Allison"
How about "The Boys in Company C". As a Vietnam Marine I can, like all Marines, relate to the opening scene in Full Metal Jacket. Every time I see it, the hair on the back of my neck goes up!!! Semper Fi Marines on our 234th birthday. Big legacy in my family: older brother, youngest brother, oldest son, myself, all Marines and very proud of it. Dad was Corpsman during Korean War
Yes. You really need to add the DI. This movie played 24/7 when I was at PI. The problem I had with it though was that I never got to see the whole movie through. I saw the beginning. Then I saw the ending. Then I got to see the middle. But never complete until I made it home and went to the video store the next day to rent it. But I am going to have to agree with some here that your list is not one of "great" Leatherneck movies. "The Flying Leathernecks" is missing. Though a TV show, "Baa Baa Blacksheep". "A Few Good Men" anti-Corps. "Aliens"? No to be chauvinistic, but a woman outlasting a group of gung ho, gasoline drinking, bullet chewing in the future Jarheads? Really? But it was fun to read. I was one by the way that watched "Full Metal Jacket" before I went to basic. It just made me want to go more.
Semper Fi
P Furman
USMC(R)
Battle Cry and The Great Santini are a couple that were missed.
I would have dropped "A few good men" and replaced with "Anapolis". Although technically not Marine the Naval Academy does produce Marine officers and this was a good portrayal of the honor code and its ramifications.
Not sure I agree on Top Ten, but good column anyway. Good WWII Movies like "Halls of Montezuma", "In Love and War", "Hell to Eternity" and "Battle Cry" are great Marine Movies! The DI with Jack Webb is great, and I do agree with "Sands of Iwo Jima" and "Full Metal Jacket". You'll never see a closer "boot camp" experience than "The DI" or "FMJ"
How can anyone forget him!
In actuality, Wayne was disqualified due to football injuries suffered while playing for USC. A lot of American men were "4F" and not allowed to join. At least from a political point of view, Wayne personified what a lot of people felt about the USMC and WWII.
I had considered joining the Marines, back in the 70's, but it seemed the only jobs they had for BAMS was clerical work. BORING! So I wouund up in the Army instead. Part of me has always regretted not going for the Corps anyway.
Happy birthday to Uncle Sam's Misguided Children.
Hopefully, when those of you who are Corps rejoin civilian life, you will become teachers so we will have people who will finally teach the kids what true patriotism is. They are so indoctrinated with this PC junk that they freedom means being able to download songs and movies for free.
The only film I question is Jarhead. The guy who wrote it was a very poor example of a Marine. I know some things about him and he didn't impress his superiors at all. So, I'd call this a top 9. Swofford is a poor excuse. Very poor excuse.
Heartbreak Ridge..awesome. R. Lee Ermey was magnificent in Full Metal Jacket and of course da man himself, The Duke in Sands of Iwo Jima……….
Semper Fi Marines. Happy Birthday. Give em hell Devil Dogs!
The sappy, stupid, antiwar ending of Generation Kill, in which only the "ignorant" little gung-ho Christian marine was left alone happily watching the video of Iraqis slaughtered while the other Marines peeled away one by one, disgusted by and ashamed of what they had participated in, infuriated me enough to take the entire $60 box of DVD's and throw them in the canal. It started out great but began inserting anti-religious, anti-war moments, building to this "enlightened" ending. Vile.
Let's not forget "Tell to the Marines" 1926, silent with Lon Cheney as Sgt. O'Hara, Lon Cheney was the first film actor to become an honorary Marine, add to that, the Marines provided a guard and an honor guard to accompany at Mr. Chaney’s funeral.
Jeff
Fanciful!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/2494611524_57...
The Fighting Devil Dogs (1938)
In Singapore, two US Marine Lieutenants, Tom Grayson and Frank Corby, discover the threat of a new villain called The Lightning, a masked villain who uses a powerful lightning based weapon in his bid for world conquest. Unfortunately, the battle becomes personal when The Lightning annihilates the officers' unit, and later kills Lt. Grayson's father as he was helping the investigation of the weapon. Now, those young marines have dedicated themselves to stopping The Lightning and bringing him to justice. Written by Kenneth Chisholm {kchishol@home.com}
Happy Birthday, Marines! As the daughter of a former marine, I can't tell you how much I admire and respect you. I will always have a special place in my heart for the marines. Semper Fi!
Once a major piece of American popular culture-
What Price Glory – 1926 with Edmund Lowe and Victor McLaglen
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0017540/
What Price Glory – 1952 with James Cagney
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045323/
I had the high privilege of being a Marine wife. I walked with head held high.
Happy Birthday, Marines.
Memorial Day 2009 & John Wayne's 102 birthday the next day.
HOW JOHN WAYNE SAVED THE MARINES
from TTP Intelligence Bulletin
By Dr. Jack Wheeler
Thursday, May 26, 2005
Today is John Wayne’s 98th birthday. He was born on May 26, 1907 in Winterset, Iowa, weighing 13 pounds. His birthplace is a museum, and a few years ago I took my son Brandon to visit it. There was a guest book, opened to a page with the entry, in the entrant’s handwriting, Name: Ronald Reagan. Address: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Washington DC.
To celebrate the birthday of a truly great American, let me tell you how John Wayne saved the Marine Corps. In the aftermath of World War II, the psychological letdown after years of war and bloodshed, the huge demobilization of servicemen, the desire to slash military spending, and the antipathy towards the military by left-wingers in the Democrat Party all combined in a call by a number of Senators and Congressmen to abolish the Marine Corps.
In this, they were supported by the Doolittle Board, created by the Truman Administration, which called for the Marine Corps to be “disbanded” as a separate military force, and “unified” with the Army (yes, the board was headed by an Air Force general, Jimmy Doolittle).
A group of enterprising Marines – you can always depend on Marines to be enterprising – with Hollywood connections, thought a movie made around the most famous photograph of World War II, Joe Rosenthal’s of the Marines raising the flag on Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima, could help sway public opinion against their disbandment.
They approached legendary director Allan Dwan, who agreed to commission a script. The movie was to be called “The Sands of Iwo Jima,” and everybody agreed there was only one man who could play the lead role of Sergeant Stryker: John Wayne.
To their great surprise, Wayne turned it down. He didn’t like the script, and he wasn’t enamored of the character of Stryker. The Marines came to the rescue again. The Marine Corps Commandant, General Clifton B. Cates, got on an airplane and flew from Washington to California to personally request Wayne make the picture. When General Cates explained the stakes involved – the very existence of the Marine Corps – Wayne immediately changed his mind, promising the general he would do everything in his power to have the movie be a success.
The Sands of Iwo Jima was released in 1949 and quickly became a runaway blockbuster, with millions of moviegoers packing every theatre showing it. Wayne was nominated for a Best Actor Oscar, establishing him as Hollywood’s Number One box-office star. The Doolittle Board folded its tent, and no politician on Capitol Hill ever again said a word about disbanding the Marines.
So let’s all say “Semper Fi” to the memory of John Wayne.
To further celebrate his birthday, here’s a treat and some advice. The treat is this link: A biography of John Wayne written by Ronald Reagan, in the October 1979 Reader’s Digest.
The advice is this: Don’t ever trust a man who doesn’t like John Wayne. A man’s opinion of John Wayne is a good rule-of-thumb test of his character and moral values. To admire John Wayne is to admire the heroic and the morally noble. To sneer at John Wayne is to admire the opposite. It’s revealing that you find very few liberals among the former, and very few conservatives among the latter.
I thought this would open your eyes. This was the Duke's relationship with the USMC.
another fairly weak effort from the disappointing Mr Schlichter…
Any list of 'Marine' films cannot be complete without Joh Milius' superb take on Teddy Roosevelt's Morrocan adventures in 'The Wind and the Lion'. Starring Sean Connery and Candace Bergen, it was a fictionalized account of the kidnapping of a US citizen in Tangiers in 1903- and the subsequent rescue attempt by the USMC.
To this day- the sequence where the Moroccan Embassy is seized by Marines- is taught to Marine Corp officer candidates at Quantico as 'a textbook example of how to seize an embassy'.
Something Mr Milius ('Red Dawn, 'Apocalypse Now') is justifiably proud of…
Oh you left out The Great Santini….. he may have been a bastard, but so much of the ego and especially the family dynamics of the Old Corps was in that movie. Not to mention that every Marine loves that fight scene!
It doesn't matter the movie, as for 234 years, we have been defending this great nation and continue defending her today in far off places like Al Anbar Iraq and Helmund, Afghanistan. To my brother Marines, Happy Birthday.
From this old Army grunt to all you Marines – Semper Fi, GOD Bless you all.
Happy Birthday Marines; thank you for your service, and know that you and your families are loved.
The movie was a serious bunch of crock. I was there, as part of Task Force Grizzly. Look up what we did (http://www.taskforcegrizzly.org). Swofard was attached to my company. His book was garbage, and the movie, aside from the language which was dead on, basically a bunch of baloney. There were two incidents in that movie that really happened, and both of them were portrayed incorrectly in the movie. The barrage that hit 2/7 did not lead to a bunch of knuckleheads running over the berm in a mad charge. The actual infiltration took place at night, three days prior to the official start of the ground war. My own pack that night was over 140 pounds, and I was not carrying the heaviest load there. We humped close to 25 miles that night, then dug in just a couple of thousand meters from the Iraqi lines.
The marines do a fantasic job even though they are typically the step child when it comes to funding, yet somehow they all get turned into damn fine marksmen and fearless combat soldiers.
Funniest, Nicest, and Toughest solider I ever knew was a force recon marine.
Jarhead is garbage. The movie is fake and the book is elitist tripe. I was there, and neither the book nor the movie get much right. For the facts, check out www. taskforcegrizzly.org.
I have no idea where Swofford saw any 'crispy critters'. I was far ahead of him in the column, as my platoon was at the lead of the Task Force. I never saw anything like that. Reading that book and watching that movie just rub me raw. I keep movie both to the fnatasy and fiction sections of movie stores and book stores whenever I run across them. Check out the web site to see the real deal, and see the names of the real people (including some of the ones portrayed in the movie).
Jarhead should not be anywhere on this list. I was there, I know. Check out the REAL story:
http://www.taskforcegrizzly.org
The only real thing in the movie was the language.
Heartbreak Ridge was great. I was training at Camp Pendleton when they were filming it. At least while I was in, "improvise, overcome and adapt" was almost more the motto than Semper Fi.
Semper Fi and Happy Birthday to all my fellow Marines! With a special shout out to Kilo 3/7, the silent professionals. OORAH!!!
The book was a bunch of crap. I've spoken to many Marines who were there and they agree. If possible, the movie was worse – not even good propaganda.
I dunno, it's Schlichter's world and we just live it. We should have an uprising.
Agree. I read the book and thought he was a big whiner with a bad attitude who was fast and loose with the truth. The movie wasn't very good either.
This list is awesome, and although it isn't strictly a "Marine" move, I think the "storm the Place" scene from "The Wind and The Lion" is awesome. In fact, it was "required" watching at Quantico when I, as a brand new 2d Lt., attended The Basic School. Ooh-Rah and Semper Fi! Happy Birthday, Devil Dogs!
Saw it, loved it. Great movie
I was an Army helicopter pilot in Viet Nam and trained with Marines. They were level-headed on the ground, but "Jar-headed" in the air. Great guys, every one.
Frank Lovejoy perfectly depicts a Marine commander in the Korean War flick, Retreat Hell!" 1952. It also exemplifies the "Esprit de Corps" of the Marines admirably. Highly recommended, should be in the top 5 of this list!
I couldn't agree more. This list is terrible!!!!
Kurt Schlichter … Your an ID ten Tango!
Happy birthday and God bless all of you wonderful Marines!
How in the world could this list include follies like 'Aliens' and 'Jarhead', but omit 'Heaven Knows Mr. Allison'?
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Semper Fi you fellow devil dogs!!!
OOOHRAH
Thanks for remembering the Corps today Kurt. (and thanks for your service – even though you were in that 'other' service…)
Happy Birthday Marines – May we live long enough to see the Legends of the Corp grow larger than they are today.
The DI needs to be in here, long before Jarhead. And even though it wasn't a Marine movie per se, the Marines scenes in The Wind and the Lion are among my favorite movie moments. And where's Battle Cry?
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I am shocked to see the horrible 'Jarheads' and the horrific 'Generation Kill' on this list. 'Ma & Pa Kettle Go To Paris Island' would be a better film than either of those wastes of celluloid. As for Full Metal Jacket, you have got to see the History Channels interview with R. Lee Ermey in the special 'NCOs' to fully appreciate his scenes.
Semper Fi! Marines! And happy birthday from your friends in the sky.
We watched that at OCS. I enjoyed it because it was a couple of hours where the DI's weren't yelling at us.
I was there too with 11th Marines. I remember that night. Wasn't the barrage a result of an intramural firefight between 7th Marines and 1/9?
Me too. Any idea when it will be out?
I must agree with the need to add The DI to the list, perhaps removing Aliens. I watched The DI, not once, but twice, while waiting for the bus that would speed me to the OKC airport during Christmas Exodus, fort Sill OK, 1987. Not a bad movie, but Webb was the one DI who did not cuss or question your mother's morals.
This GI loves the Marines.
Oooh you're right! Totally missed that one
Schlicter, you must be a Doggie. Jarheads is an anti-Marine flick. It cannot be among the top, say… even 100. It's a POS. Jarheads is offensive.
Aliens is a cool movie but a characature of Marines.
As for the author's comment that R. Lee Ermey's DI brutalitiy is appauling…. It was dead accurate for us class of 1967 Marine recruits. If anything, there was more beatings and more harrassment. They even screwed with us at night.
If you weren't there, you would not understand. I understand at the time, Army boots even got weekend passes. Hell, I went to Vietnam for R & R.
And part of the guard detail in heaven is Sam Kenny–Semper Fi.
Thank you for posting this. Very interesting list of people, probably the most shocking one for me is James Carville. Just can't imagine him knuckling under and not sassing back to his superior.
Battle Cry, The DI, Flags of Our Fathers, Taking Chance, The Great Santini, and Rules of Engagement are also excellent films. Jarhead is an abysmal attempt to depict life in the Corps from the perspective of a PFC, along with every wannabe cliche that could be thrown in there – from the guy getting shot while crawling under barbed wire (couldn't happen) to everyone lighting off their weapons at the end of Desert Storm (wouldn't happen) – the entire movie is a farce.
I agree with your #1. Gunny Highway is my hero!
I spent more than a few years working with the Green Side, putting them on the beach. Best line from A Few Good Men was Kiefer Sutherland. "I like you Navy guys. Every time we have to go somewhere, you give us a ride."
Happy Birthday, Devil Dogs!
I've watched that one just to see that scene. Classic!
Sands of Iwo Jima single handedly saved the Marine Corps from being disbanded after WWII due to budget cuts. The USMC would not exist today if it was not for John Wayne.
The Siege of Firebase Gloria is out but Jarhead is in??? Hello?! Guadalcanal Diary is out but Aliens is in?!
I'm speechless.
Swap out Jarhead for Wake Island and you've got a real top ten list. Happy B-Day Marines!! Not a Marine myself but proud to have served on the USS Reasoner FF – 1063 named in honor of MOH awarded to Lt. Frank Reasoner, USMC, KIA in the vicinity of Danang, S. Vietnam in July 1965. Second Marine to receive the MOH during Vietnam.
I'll throw one into the mix: "Tell It to the Marines," from the silent era, starring Lon Chaney. Don't be misled by Lon Chaney's reputation as King of Silent Horror—he's excellent as a Marine Sergeant.
And of all the movies about the Marines, this was the first.
might as well throw in some of the oloser stone and his America bashing crap
Who doesn't love the TV show, "Major Dad"?!
William Manchester in his Marine memoir "Goodbye Darkness" has a vivid memory
of John Wayne giving a talk to wounded marines just back from Okinowa. Wayne was
booed of the stage by the marines who regarded him as a phoney.
All of us Marines know who the real John Wayne was……TED WILLIAMS.
Bullshit sir!…It was Chesty Puller and the photograph of the flag raising on
Iwo Jima not some bogus movie star that saved the Corp from extinction
Best Movie…It aint from Holywood…..Lee Marvin's narration of the classic "Our Time in Hell"
Semper Fi brother marines
No, you might be thinking of the fratricide that happened on morning of the first day of the ground war, when Ripper shot up our log column and killed one of our MT drivers (Christian Porter). A corpsman friend of mine was in that same truck and watched it happen. The artillary attack on 2/7 at the berm line was Iraqi.
Our other fatality was Brian Lane, who was killed by a fragment froma rocket outside Al Jaber. His story was written up in Readers Digest. I was his squad leader for a time when I was with India 3/7. A good man, he is very much missed.
The D.I. was a sensational movie. Webb was the epitimy of a Marine Corps drill instructor in it. And the ending, naming all the great battles that make the Corps what it is was a perfect finish to the film.
Jarhead was the most vile disgusting POS anti american film I ever had the displeasure of wasting money on. Shame on you for including that filth!!
Looking on the History Channel web site for this. Is "NCO's" the name of the program?
Thanks for your email, unfortunaetly it is revisionist history
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Well, were it really lost me was when he has a "meltdown" and points his weapon at his fellow Marine. It just made me think this guy was a totally nutbag joke, and that the movie really tried to make it seem like "just another day in the Corps! Oo-rah!" Yet another anti-military military movie. Can we please be the good guys again?
I understand that the movie was originally intended to be about the Army, but either they wouldn't cooperate or endorse the movie, so the branch of service was switched to the Marines- hence the inconsistancies of the movie. Apparently, the Marine Corps wasn't too thrilled with the movie either. I can see the point, Gunny Highway's a great character, but the fact that the Recon platoon was filled with washed up slackers and misfits is not realistic. Recon's the best of the best, not the worst of the worst.
It's a shame he wasn't in front of you- you could have "accidentally" shot him in the hand and then he couldn't write his crappy book.
55 Days is a great flick even more so with Ava Gardner in late Victorian dress. She was the type of woman Victorian designers went ga ga over.
AFTER SERVING 5 YEARS IN THE MARINE CORPS (1 IN VIET NAM) I WOULD VOTE FOR "BATTLE CRY".
iN THE "WIND AND THE LION" THERE IS A PERFECT OF EXAMPLE OF MARINES FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. THAT PORTION WHERE THEY JUST LINED UP AND FIRED ON ORDER
SAYS IT ALL. SEMPE FI
I would have to disagree with on the portrayal of the soldiers. One marine (Hudson) was the character with bravado who had never seen combat. The marine/soldier that gets shook loose after his first combat duty. The Lieutenant was new and inexperienced and thus made several bad mistakes in his /first/ combat mission, but he learned from his mistakes and ended up giving everything for the people he had royal messed over. An interesting item to note is that there is some casual insubordination just prior to the big battle that gets half the group killed. The machinegunners (Vasques and 'forgot his name') hand over their magazines, but then put in spare magazines that the Lt doesn't know about. A half decent Lt would have wondered why his machinegunners were still using a weapon that had no secondary fire capability as if they actually could use them. But, being a new Lt, he didn't think of that either.
I haven't seen any references to "Hall of Montezuma" with Richard Widmark (and a cast of thousands).
Heartbreak Ridge was a great movie, but "Flags of Our Fathers" was a huge disapointment for me because I read the book first. The movie seemed to be anti-American because it showed the government as simply taking advantage of a group of young Marines. When I read the book I was down at the recruiting center a month later.
You are right about Jarhead I heard about it from fellow Marines who where disgusted by it so refused to watch it.
Every Marine in my battery was "F YEAH AMERICA" those who aren't patriotic don't generally serve in the most dangerous and lowest paid part of the military
Who can forget Wake Island? Those Marines took a beating and still pounded it out till the end. That delay and the delay at Bataan and Corregidor (yes there were Marine there too along with the Army and Navy) gave us time to build up our military response against the Japanese.
Ditto. Love Lon Chaney, love that film. So did the Marines.
I agree. I read the book and was disgusted. "Swoff" said joining the Marines was the biggest mistake of his life. I agree, except I think it was the Marines who made the mistake – of taking him in.
Thanks for setting me straight. I lost one of my Marines when an EA-6 took out one of my Q 36's without the weapons officer actually bothering ti ID what it was he was taking out.
There are well over 20 Marine Corps related movies better than at least half of the ones the author listed. This list has an Army signature all over it. Come on, Jarhead is to Marine Corps movies about like Brokeback Mountain is to classic westerns. The author "may" have meant well, but he clearly missed the mark.
Curious. No mention of "The Best Years of Our Lives", "The Longest Day", or "In Harm's Way"? No list of war films is complete without these films.
I, as a former marine, disagree, along with most others here, that Jarhead should be on the list. Sucky movie. The book was great though! Anyway, a movie that no one has seen, 84C Mopic, is a pretty realistic portrayal of recon marines in Vietnam. It's low-budg, but it's got them doing map checks, sit-reps, sleep watches, booby-trap settings, and futile attempts at field medicine. Hard to find, but pretty darn good.
As a FMF Navy Corpsman I am proud to say I served with best. I love the corp and would do it all again.
The Flying Leathernecks should be on the list as it is a classic war movie and not just because my father flew the stunts in it with his squadron but it was made in Southern California while they were getting ready to ship out to Korea for the next war! Sort of a tune up after WW2. All they got was a bottle of booze from the producer and a credit at the end.
There was a Marine Drill Instructor that made full metal jacket looks like childs play. His name was Sr. Drill Istructor Wesley Fox 1956 M.C.R.D you can google his name as a medal of honer winner. Sgt fox held every enlisted rank and earned a battefield commision in Vietnam. Retired aftr 41 years service as a Bird Col.and lives in Virgina. Check out his book.or sign his guest book.
Woo! Great choice! I saw it in college (Navy ROTC days) and got Steve Kanaly's autograph on his Marine photo. It was a true motivator. "…and you are my prisoner, sir!" AWESOME!!!!
In all your post you just hate John Wayne which is fine. I don't care he was never in the service, lots of film stars in the 40s didn't go. That means he can never make a war film or play a hero? Errol Flynn, Van Johnson, Greg Peck, Tony Quinn, Gary Cooper didn't go either are they all phonies too? John Wayne was the biggest movie star and he had the guts to stand up to the entire leftist cult of malcontents who went after him in the 1960s and it seems even some vets have drank the kool aid to hate the Duke. Movie stars make films and at least Wayne made great patriotic films he helped with the public's moral in fighting evil. We don't have that today with our worthless scumbag film stars. You guys are all pissed at the wrong guy because the left turned Wayne into a joke after he died. They only succeed with liberals and people like yourself. For the rest of us he is a great American, he is a hero, that doesn't put him on the same level as you and all of you that wore the uniform. Wayne himself would never except that role. He was instrumental in saving the USMC from the leftist mad dogs in Truman's administration. Chesty might have been breaking arms in congress but Wayne made a great war film SANDS and turned public opinion around with one film. A film you guys think is BS, how the hell can you create real war in a film? Not even RYAN was real but people are convinced it is real because an opening like that was never made since All Quiet on the Western Front. This idea of movie stars or directors have to be a veteran in order to make a war film. IF that is so then how the hell did Kirk Douglas make Spartacus? This is all a spill over of liberal hatred of John Wayne and what they think he represents to America. Obviously the Duke made his mark to be such a threat to the liberal maggots and spill their poison to Marines such are yourself. John Wayne, Ronald Reagan, Errol Flynn, Gary Cooper, Greg Peck and many many more were all great boosters for all our armed services and to be spit on because he didn't served is all bullshit, Take your anger and put it towards your real phony enemies the G-Damn leftist malcontents. They want to see all you DEAD. You go around hating the Duke the rest of us will admire him for his service to the war effort and to this Country promoting to our values to the world.
What about Rules of Engagement? Take out Aliens and put in Rules of Engagement.
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John Wayne did more for the Marine Corps than you can imagine. And he has relatives who are in the Marine Corps now and they appreciate what he did for its continuance by making the Sands of Iwo Jima. I am one of them.
Plt347…. there are more of us out there then all who serve. That doesn't take away our love and respect for all those who serve and become bullet catchers for the rest of us. We all salute our Veterans. My Dad, my grandfather, my uncles and now my son are all combat veterans. I honor them as did John Wayne, Jack Webb all these great Americans, we are all on YOUR SIDE. Why hate John Wayne, one post called him a phony, the entire film business is a phony way of making a living. I know I am in it. I never served and I made a film called FORGOTTEN HEROES over twenty years ago. I made this film because Oliver Stone, Brian DePlama, Sean Penn, George Clooney, Jane Fonda were all pissing on everyone in the service . I made my film to honor and thank a generation of Vietnam Vets who were treated like pigs by the tolerant leftist quislings. My film was blacklisted because I dared to show our troops as heroes. Then I stuck by this film wneh everyone i ever met told me to dump it and walk away. This film has eaten the best years of my life to make films out there. It doesn't matter if my film is great, bad or shitty that isn't the point, the point its the only film out there that honors and says THANK YOU to everyone that wears a uniform. You want to take out your anger take it out on the liberals that I mentioned they are the phonies not John Wayne or a nobody like me with a 20 year old film that won't die because other people want it too. That is make me a phony because I never served? We al do our part for our country. People like me and others who are in the big media who don't serve are all part of OUR team. The mad dogs like Stone, Fonda and Penn they are the phony scumbags because they take OUR money we give them and they turn around and piss on us from that movie screen. All the Duke did was make us all feel proud the we are Americans where is the phoniest in that. All those that were the uniform sever to protect us all we can do is honor you, thank you and if some of us are lucky like me to be able to make a film to thank you, then support us since we support you and that includes the Duke. We are all in this together and the enemy is the cult of leftist malcontents. Its time we PISSED on their religion and heroes.
Thanks for your email, like the other three recieved, you've never in the Marines either
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If you want real Marine combat action read "DOC".
Make that present tense. Once a Marine ALWAYS a Marine. Semper Fi, Vicki
How about the Wind and he Lion?
In the commentary Cameron aplogizes to Marines for his depiction of them in the movie.
As a Marine movie I wasn't impressed. I only saw it once, and that was nearly twenty-years-ago, but all I remember is Brian Keith as Teddy Roosevelt and a detatchment of Marines wandering aimlessly in the desert. As a Teddy Roosevelt movie it was quite entertaining.
Military is making us LESS safe.
Fact.
Invading countries around the globe makes the entire planet hate us.
Military = giant welfare program.
Ears open Eyeballs Click great true documentary of recruit training. Ooh Rah
How in the world was "Wind Talkers," not included? A great movie about very small group of special American Marines whose contribution was monumental to America winning WWII in the Pacific! I bet there would be a lot of Marines that agree with me.
You have no idea of the meaning of your ridiculous statement. If you mean the enemies of our country hate us; so be it. If you mean the countries who have been helped by our intervention (all were by invitation); you are mistaken. Just try to have this country without a military; then you'll find out the meaning of "really hurts."
Any Marine or FMF Corpsman can tell this piece was written by a Non-Marine. The selections of the movies were so outrageous, that one could tell that the piece was not edited by any Marine. Look over the entire comments section to find out which movies are truly Marine movies. Barry Helton HM3 FMF 2nd CAP DaNang, RVN '68 – '69.
My Uncle Vic, who still tells tthe sea stories, was wounded on Iwo Jima. He survived it, he says, because he was in the third wave to hit the beach.
The day I was drafted were it not for a big ol long haired big mouth hippy I would have been a marine and he would have been a G.I. We were scared crapless when we came off the bus.He just took his sweet time about geting where we were suppossed to be and they had to wait on him. Which didnt please the reception station people.They told us to get box lunches then police our area (clean it up) afterwards a Capt and 1st Lt (Marine and Army) told us starting with big mouth line up. We did big mouth and 24 others became marines us army.
Sounds vile. But you should have sold it very cheaply on e-bay instead of throwing it away. That way you might have forestalled the sale of a new box. Hurts them more. Trouble is, it´s not as satisfying.
How about The Great Santini and The D.I.
I think the only real issue with the marines in Aliens was the LT, whose main problem was inexperience. And he redeemed himself in the end. They were real soldiers, and had real Marine attitude. Especially the short-lived but immensely likeable Sgt. Apone. Apone was played by Al Matthews, whose real-life bio including being the first Black man to be meritoriously promoted to E-5 while serving in the actual USMC during Vietnam.
Ask any Viet-vet, or anyone who knows bravery, DO NOT forget the corpmen. Navy heros who saved USMC lives for a living. Several earned Congressional Medals of Honor. Many more deserve them. I know. 2612933.
You are missing the Firebase Gloria, The Great Santini, The DI, and The Boys from Company C. Certainly better than Jarhead and Generation Kill.
Yeah. I think Starship Troopers was better than both of them.
Taking Chance is hand's down the Best.
[...] some way, what Thanksgiving really means. You are free to disagree with the choices – as some Marines recently did regarding another list – but the freedom to think for yourself is but one of many [...]
I don't agree with Generation Kill or Jarhead being in the top 10. The Boys from Company "C", is a realistic movie about Vietnam and the Marines.
my father was at guadalcanal and if they ever did a movie about what the "old breed" was really like you couldn't get it made – there would be too many complaints. when you idealize these men you only cheapen what they accomplished. my father never talked about it, bragged about it and would turn over in his grave at cheap faux patriotic flag-waving about it. it was dirty horrible job that had to be done and all he would ever say is you got to survive. they killed to survive and they killed for each other and if something good came out of it let the poets glorify it. john hersey summed it up best as he related the dying words of one of the marines on guadalcanal which he covered "god do i have to take a crap".
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