Comments on: Today, We Are All Hondurans

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By: ericr

ericr — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:19:52 +0000

You forgot the include Obama's name on that list.

By: Libertarian

Libertarian — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:32:51 +0000

Thats fine. All I'm saying is stop acting surprised when our govt backs a guy that people don't like. We cannot control what every administration does or whom they support so with that in mind don't be surprised when the good Samaritan pulls a pedophile out of a burning car. There is nothing new about this was my simple point. BTW the good Samaritan law is compulsary in Italy. You can get in trouble for NOT doing anything. Should we adopt that philosophy with reguard to foriegn policy?

By: Libertarian

Libertarian — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:22:56 +0000

Calm down sizzle chest. I wasn't making a point that we should support communism. My point was just what I said. That our govt (not the people there is a difference) will support whomever they see fit at the time. It is not like we don't know that we are dealing with the lesser of two evils. Often times they back the guy that turns out to be, at least seemingly, a bad guy that is at odds with our American ideals. But the alternative may be worse. So again this is not new policy invented by the Obama admin.

By: dcase

dcase — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:03:28 +0000

actually Bolton did a good job of the 'good cop bad cop' thing, with Condi the good guy; he got real progress on Darfur with the unlikely teaming of him and George Clooney (!) and basically gave everyone there a shot across the bow…

Negroponte is a career di[plomat who is actually quite well respected- and has friends on both sides of the ideological divide. But the problems there are deep seated- institutional if you will- and Annan was a disaster, crooked to boot.

It's in real need of reform. How to bring that about? Good question. Need to think on that for awhile…

By: CgntvDssdnt

CgntvDssdnt — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:40:32 +0000

great great great. You are actually establishing some respect from me.

but I'm wary because I still perceive a very foul sentiment coming from the right that is hostile to the UN and rooted in paranoia and religion.

But never mind that- to your points in your last post… what did Negroponte, or especially the hostile Bolton do to help solve these admitted problems with the UN?

By: dcase

dcase — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:24:11 +0000

oddly enough, we are in total agreement with you...

Although we have disdain for the UN it is not without useful function. Yes, it came from the ashes of Wilson's League of Nations. Yes, too, it is a overstuffed debate society peopled by corrupt bureaucrats. Still, if it didn't exist we would have to invent it anyway... we don't 'loathe' it- but it does need to become more responsible and useful and not merely a place where tinpot dictators worldwide rail at the US and Israel. That is getting tiresome. However, your points are well taken and it would be nice if reasonable people could fashion a better overall system.

We'll just have to see...

By: CgntvDssdnt

CgntvDssdnt — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:36:01 +0000

CONTINUED:
At the end of tho: If there is an election, and the election (fair or not) goes to Zelaya… WHAT THEN?!

America uber alles?! Sorry but we can't be perceived as a thuggish super power in our backyard. Not after our high and mighty rhetoric against Russia regarding Georgia. If there's an election in Honduras that re-seats Zelaya… then Honduras situation will echo Iran's and our policy should do likewise.

By: CgntvDssdnt

CgntvDssdnt — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:35:44 +0000

so I've been updated from my information source (NPR!! AM is for suckas.)

What do people here think about this formulation:

* If Obama took a hard-line in support of the coup, and against Zelaya / Chavez, then because Zelaya was democratically elected, Obama would give Chavez rhetorical fuel for Chavez to claim to be the REAL upholder of democratic values in Central/South America.
* Because Obama is not doing that… because Obama is getting the US involve, but not stridently on one side or another… he's not handling Chavez that device.

(Nevermind all you conspiracy nuts that by default assume that Chavez and Obama are but buddies.)

… I think and hope that Obama can help the Hondurans military leaders achieve a soft-landing from all this that leads to: NOT a reclaiming of the throne by Zelaya / but instead an election.

By: CgntvDssdnt

CgntvDssdnt — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:23:53 +0000

"The UN just isn't very good at anything, as our experiences show."

Maybe so. But here's a wild concept for all of you UN-loathers out there.

1) The US was instrumental – if not the prime contributor – to the creation of the UN.
2) The US is the #1 super power. Of any nation on the planet, we have the most influence, power and control to enable or disable the effectiveness of the UN.

if the UN is not all that we'd like it to be, then it behooves us to embrace the responsibility to lead the rest of the world nations in making the UN something we like and best suits our needs for what we need out of a UN.

What I'm advocating is multi-lateralism 101. Why? Well because ONLY a family-of-nations can ever reasonably purport to claim the authority that it takes to monitor elections.

The UN isn't doing a good enough job for us? Well then, what can WE do to get the UN shaped up? That's the only way to look at this problem that ISN'T walking backward toward some kind of new barbaric age.