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		<title>By: Jintx</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jridley/2009/02/14/the-republican-bipartisan-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-223970</link>
		<dc:creator>Jintx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BiPartisan would imply a reasonable compromise is possible.  It is NOT. 
This is a massive &quot;social justice&quot; travesty.  It is a blatant government JOBS measure.  It will not create long term productive jobs, it will produce more long term dependency on the government. 
 
How long before we start seeing notes on business doors:   
&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt; am leaving it as I found it. Take over. It&#8217;s yours&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BiPartisan would imply a reasonable compromise is possible.  It is NOT.<br />
This is a massive &quot;social justice&quot; travesty.  It is a blatant government JOBS measure.  It will not create long term productive jobs, it will produce more long term dependency on the government. </p>
<p>How long before we start seeing notes on business doors:<br />
<i><b> am leaving it as I found it. Take over. It&rsquo;s yours</b></i></p>
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		<title>By: Painting Us As Obstructionists</title>
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		<dc:creator>Painting Us As Obstructionists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doing enough to work with President Obama. This obstructionist myth is catching fire. Writing for Andrew Breitbart&#8217;s Big Hollywood, African-American screenwrite and comedian John Ridley tried to claim that the grassroots uprising [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] doing enough to work with President Obama. This obstructionist myth is catching fire. Writing for Andrew Breitbart&#8217;s Big Hollywood, African-American screenwrite and comedian John Ridley tried to claim that the grassroots uprising [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Harley</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jridley/2009/02/14/the-republican-bipartisan-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-187234</link>
		<dc:creator>Harley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re talking past each other.  A great deal of the stimulus spending will contribute to state infrastructure -- billions for highway construction, water projects, park renovation, local housing projects, etc.   The states naturally benefit from all of this.  Also calling aid to states, including increased Fed contributions for Medicaid costs, &#039;pork&#039; is moderately dishonest.  There aren&#039;t the kind of snail-mating-studies that McCain is obsessed with.  These are concrete ways in which the stimulus package will help the states meet their budgets.  I will happily add this to the list of things you do not remember. 
 
Including, of course, Bush&#039;s response to a question about appointing conservative judges after the 2000 election, an election in which he LOST the popular vote.  He said, of course, that he had a mandate to do exactly that.  And he did. 
 
Your last graf has some weird sentence construction, so I&#039;m not entirely sure what you mean.  I&#039;m going to assume you&#039;re suggesting that if the voters don&#039;t get what they think Obama and the Dems promised them, they will turn on the party in 2010.  This is certainly possible.  My point, made a couple times now, is that the GOP doing everything they can -- they can&#039;t help it, of course, it&#039;s their nature -- to play the  Spitting Anger card at each and every opportunity.  And this,  in the face of Obama&#039;s thoughtful outreach -- which may in fact be a  sham, but that&#039;s not important, as long as it looks like one. 
 
It&#039;s weird.  Obama has the ability to drive his opponents nuts.  They rant and rail about his failures and all the things he isn&#039;t, and Obama just keeps on rolling, brushing off the little things as he goes.  Until he gets pretty much what he wants.  Just ask Hillary Clinton and John McCain. 
 
And you&#039;re either being willfully naive or straining to make a rhetorical point when you suggest the Republicans would have voted for the package if only Obama had been a little more like, I dunno, a Republican.  That was never going to happen.   The GOP is as entrenched an opposition as is humanly possible, and this is only the first in the series of battles that will pivot on that unfortunate, and I think obvious, fact.  (And in large part, btw, because the only Republicans who consistently get re-elected are the most conservative members from the most conservative districts.  They actually think the entire country is as crazy as they are.   At least until the next presidential election.) 
 
(And by the way, pointing out that Bush enjoyed more bipartisan support only serves to make the point that the Dems are either more cowardly or more reasonable or both.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#039;re talking past each other.  A great deal of the stimulus spending will contribute to state infrastructure &#8212; billions for highway construction, water projects, park renovation, local housing projects, etc.   The states naturally benefit from all of this.  Also calling aid to states, including increased Fed contributions for Medicaid costs, &#039;pork&#039; is moderately dishonest.  There aren&#039;t the kind of snail-mating-studies that McCain is obsessed with.  These are concrete ways in which the stimulus package will help the states meet their budgets.  I will happily add this to the list of things you do not remember. </p>
<p>Including, of course, Bush&#039;s response to a question about appointing conservative judges after the 2000 election, an election in which he LOST the popular vote.  He said, of course, that he had a mandate to do exactly that.  And he did. </p>
<p>Your last graf has some weird sentence construction, so I&#039;m not entirely sure what you mean.  I&#039;m going to assume you&#039;re suggesting that if the voters don&#039;t get what they think Obama and the Dems promised them, they will turn on the party in 2010.  This is certainly possible.  My point, made a couple times now, is that the GOP doing everything they can &#8212; they can&#039;t help it, of course, it&#039;s their nature &#8212; to play the  Spitting Anger card at each and every opportunity.  And this,  in the face of Obama&#039;s thoughtful outreach &#8212; which may in fact be a  sham, but that&#039;s not important, as long as it looks like one. </p>
<p>It&#039;s weird.  Obama has the ability to drive his opponents nuts.  They rant and rail about his failures and all the things he isn&#039;t, and Obama just keeps on rolling, brushing off the little things as he goes.  Until he gets pretty much what he wants.  Just ask Hillary Clinton and John McCain. </p>
<p>And you&#039;re either being willfully naive or straining to make a rhetorical point when you suggest the Republicans would have voted for the package if only Obama had been a little more like, I dunno, a Republican.  That was never going to happen.   The GOP is as entrenched an opposition as is humanly possible, and this is only the first in the series of battles that will pivot on that unfortunate, and I think obvious, fact.  (And in large part, btw, because the only Republicans who consistently get re-elected are the most conservative members from the most conservative districts.  They actually think the entire country is as crazy as they are.   At least until the next presidential election.) </p>
<p>(And by the way, pointing out that Bush enjoyed more bipartisan support only serves to make the point that the Dems are either more cowardly or more reasonable or both.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hardly republicans in this case who confused pork with infrastructure.  The bill contains a certain amount of infrastructure, a certain amount of stimulative tax cuts, and a certain amount of pork, with pork being the largest share.  Even supporters acknowledge this, by the way. 
 
Republican governors, our own Crist included, supported the bill because a substantial amount of the pork is going to bail them out.  Aid to states may be worthy or it may not, but it isn&#039;t stimulus and it isn&#039;t infrastructure. 
 
I&#039;m not going to respond to your non-responsive revisionism of Bush&#039;s supposed partisanship.  Up to and INCLUDING the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Bush did what he did with the support of members of both parties.  And the last person to utter the words that he won and would do as he pleased (before Barack Obama, that is) was Bill Clinton.  Alas, it is perhaps to my disadvantage in this particular debate that I am unable to remember things that did not happen. 
 
When partisanship did emerge, and party line votes became the norm, it was always the case that democrats did not propose alternatives, they just opposed for the sake of opposition, which is in sharp contrast to what Republicans did with this bill.  In many cases, democrats loudly demanded specific things, such as the bulk of Bush&#039;s energy package in 2001, and then voted against it right down party lines, for no other reason that to deny  Bush the credit for it.  We can argue all day about whether, given a clean (or at least a cleaner) bill this time around Republicans actually would have voted for it, like they said they would.  But the bottom line is that they were never given the chance.  There are probably some instances you can find during Bush&#039;s 8 years of similar things, but nothing as important as this.  Certainly nothing as large, since there wasn&#039;t anything that large during all 8 years. 
 
As for Republican prospects for &#039;10, time will tell, but it&#039;s a fact, and the polls bear this out, that a substantial amount of Barack Obama&#039;s support, and most especially the support for congressional democrats in both chambers, came from people who were promised something than we thus far are getting from that party.  If the people do in fact respond by giving democrats and even greater majority in &#039;10, then I guess we&#039;ll be getting what we deserve. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hardly republicans in this case who confused pork with infrastructure.  The bill contains a certain amount of infrastructure, a certain amount of stimulative tax cuts, and a certain amount of pork, with pork being the largest share.  Even supporters acknowledge this, by the way.</p>
<p>Republican governors, our own Crist included, supported the bill because a substantial amount of the pork is going to bail them out.  Aid to states may be worthy or it may not, but it isn&#039;t stimulus and it isn&#039;t infrastructure.</p>
<p>I&#039;m not going to respond to your non-responsive revisionism of Bush&#039;s supposed partisanship.  Up to and INCLUDING the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Bush did what he did with the support of members of both parties.  And the last person to utter the words that he won and would do as he pleased (before Barack Obama, that is) was Bill Clinton.  Alas, it is perhaps to my disadvantage in this particular debate that I am unable to remember things that did not happen.</p>
<p>When partisanship did emerge, and party line votes became the norm, it was always the case that democrats did not propose alternatives, they just opposed for the sake of opposition, which is in sharp contrast to what Republicans did with this bill.  In many cases, democrats loudly demanded specific things, such as the bulk of Bush&#039;s energy package in 2001, and then voted against it right down party lines, for no other reason that to deny  Bush the credit for it.  We can argue all day about whether, given a clean (or at least a cleaner) bill this time around Republicans actually would have voted for it, like they said they would.  But the bottom line is that they were never given the chance.  There are probably some instances you can find during Bush&#039;s 8 years of similar things, but nothing as important as this.  Certainly nothing as large, since there wasn&#039;t anything that large during all 8 years.</p>
<p>As for Republican prospects for &#039;10, time will tell, but it&#039;s a fact, and the polls bear this out, that a substantial amount of Barack Obama&#039;s support, and most especially the support for congressional democrats in both chambers, came from people who were promised something than we thus far are getting from that party.  If the people do in fact respond by giving democrats and even greater majority in &#039;10, then I guess we&#039;ll be getting what we deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: Harley</title>
		<link>http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jridley/2009/02/14/the-republican-bipartisan-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-186330</link>
		<dc:creator>Harley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple things.  I&#039;m going to assume you don&#039;t actually believe Obama is the most partisan president in history, if only because the statement suggests only a faint familiarity with both presidents and history. As to the thing itself.  Intentionally confusing pork with infrastructure is a politician&#039;s game, and primarily Republican politicians.  There&#039;s a reason the stimulus package was well-received by one group of Republicans -- Republican governors.  Those are the guys who actually have bills to pay, as opposed to CSPAN cameras to play to.  (Nice hissy, Senator Graham.)  Just ask Charlie Crist.  As for G.W. Bush, I dunno.  I remember the tax cuts that we&#039;re still trying to get out from under.  I remember his chesty announcement that he was going to do what he wanted because he had a mandate.  I&#039;m assuming you do, too. 
 
Bottom line is this.  The GOP is hooked on tax cuts like hookers on crack.  It&#039;s the first and only solution they have to offer to any problem, including problems that are not helped in the slightest by them.  Given that this is basically the sum total of their contribution to the debate, I&#039;d suggest they&#039;re lucky if they got five percent. 
 
And as for 40 percent of Congress?  That number is trending downward, and at this rate?  It&#039;ll be lower still come 2010. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple things.  I&#039;m going to assume you don&#039;t actually believe Obama is the most partisan president in history, if only because the statement suggests only a faint familiarity with both presidents and history. As to the thing itself.  Intentionally confusing pork with infrastructure is a politician&#039;s game, and primarily Republican politicians.  There&#039;s a reason the stimulus package was well-received by one group of Republicans &#8212; Republican governors.  Those are the guys who actually have bills to pay, as opposed to CSPAN cameras to play to.  (Nice hissy, Senator Graham.)  Just ask Charlie Crist.  As for G.W. Bush, I dunno.  I remember the tax cuts that we&#039;re still trying to get out from under.  I remember his chesty announcement that he was going to do what he wanted because he had a mandate.  I&#039;m assuming you do, too. </p>
<p>Bottom line is this.  The GOP is hooked on tax cuts like hookers on crack.  It&#039;s the first and only solution they have to offer to any problem, including problems that are not helped in the slightest by them.  Given that this is basically the sum total of their contribution to the debate, I&#039;d suggest they&#039;re lucky if they got five percent. </p>
<p>And as for 40 percent of Congress?  That number is trending downward, and at this rate?  It&#039;ll be lower still come 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Pappadave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pappadave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Ridley has things backward.  It&#039;s Democrats who&#039;ve always had the attitude that &quot;bipartisanship&quot; means &quot;our way or the highway&quot;...even when they were in the minority.  Somehow, it&#039;s always Republicans who&#039;ve been expected to move left instead of Democrats required to move right.  Unfortunately, Republicans HAVE complied, time and again, because they want to be &quot;liked&quot; by Democrats and the national press corps.  It&#039;ll NEVER happen, so why bother?  Stick to one&#039;s guns, is my advice.  Don&#039;t give the Democrats another inch since they&#039;ve already taken several miles. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Ridley has things backward.  It&#039;s Democrats who&#039;ve always had the attitude that &quot;bipartisanship&quot; means &quot;our way or the highway&quot;&#8230;even when they were in the minority.  Somehow, it&#039;s always Republicans who&#039;ve been expected to move left instead of Democrats required to move right.  Unfortunately, Republicans HAVE complied, time and again, because they want to be &quot;liked&quot; by Democrats and the national press corps.  It&#039;ll NEVER happen, so why bother?  Stick to one&#039;s guns, is my advice.  Don&#039;t give the Democrats another inch since they&#039;ve already taken several miles.</p>
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		<title>By: Janie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, 
 
Don&#039;t you ever try to take an unbiased look at what&#039;s going on?  If you look and listen with an open mind, you can plainly see that, according to the left, anyone, including Joe the Plumber, that questions their agenda or doesn&#039;t agree with them is racist or not bi-partisan.  Obama&#039;s whole change mantra has been a lie.  Can you not see that, or do you just refuse to see it?  A very wise man once said mental health depends on a dedication to reality.  Choose reality, John. Don&#039;t remain stuck in poor mental health. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, </p>
<p>Don&#039;t you ever try to take an unbiased look at what&#039;s going on?  If you look and listen with an open mind, you can plainly see that, according to the left, anyone, including Joe the Plumber, that questions their agenda or doesn&#039;t agree with them is racist or not bi-partisan.  Obama&#039;s whole change mantra has been a lie.  Can you not see that, or do you just refuse to see it?  A very wise man once said mental health depends on a dedication to reality.  Choose reality, John. Don&#039;t remain stuck in poor mental health.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice analogy, but in the case of the stimulus the GOP requested a healthy but filling salad, and the democrats insisted upon not just a big old greasy rack of ribs, but an entire spitted roasted pig, many more times more food than anyone could possibly eat -- with a couple of leaves of lettuce on the side as garnish.  What ultimately passed retained the entire pig roast and had maybe an extra leaf of lettuce thrown in, but that&#039;s about it. 
 
Bottom line is that republicans, who hold roughly 40% of congress and took around 47% of the presidential vote, would have voted wholeheartedly for a bill that contained even 30% republican-supported stimulus, 60% democratic-supported stimulus, with a generous 10% portion of bacon thrown in.  What they were offered, on a take-it-or-leave-it basis, was something resembling 5% republican stimulus, maybe 20% democratic stimulus, and 75% pure unadulterated earmarked pork. 
 
Supposed George W. Bush had governed in this manner?  Keep in mind the environment in which he assumed office -- he had just barely won an election that his opponents openly tried to steal; and then walked into a WH that had been vandalized by the outgoing frat-boy staff, in response to which he said we should move forward and cleaned up the mess without preserving any evidence, only to be accused (once the evidence was gone) by the guilty parties of having actually made the whole thing up.  Yet his first legislative priorities were NCLB, and a RX drug benefit in Medicare.  While neither of these was perfect in the eyes of the opposition, both of them were pretty darn close to the center, based on the fact that both sides walked away sorely disappointed in him. 
 
It didn&#039;t take very long for Obama to seize the mantle of the most partisan president in history. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice analogy, but in the case of the stimulus the GOP requested a healthy but filling salad, and the democrats insisted upon not just a big old greasy rack of ribs, but an entire spitted roasted pig, many more times more food than anyone could possibly eat &#8212; with a couple of leaves of lettuce on the side as garnish.  What ultimately passed retained the entire pig roast and had maybe an extra leaf of lettuce thrown in, but that&#039;s about it.</p>
<p>Bottom line is that republicans, who hold roughly 40% of congress and took around 47% of the presidential vote, would have voted wholeheartedly for a bill that contained even 30% republican-supported stimulus, 60% democratic-supported stimulus, with a generous 10% portion of bacon thrown in.  What they were offered, on a take-it-or-leave-it basis, was something resembling 5% republican stimulus, maybe 20% democratic stimulus, and 75% pure unadulterated earmarked pork.</p>
<p>Supposed George W. Bush had governed in this manner?  Keep in mind the environment in which he assumed office &#8212; he had just barely won an election that his opponents openly tried to steal; and then walked into a WH that had been vandalized by the outgoing frat-boy staff, in response to which he said we should move forward and cleaned up the mess without preserving any evidence, only to be accused (once the evidence was gone) by the guilty parties of having actually made the whole thing up.  Yet his first legislative priorities were NCLB, and a RX drug benefit in Medicare.  While neither of these was perfect in the eyes of the opposition, both of them were pretty darn close to the center, based on the fact that both sides walked away sorely disappointed in him.</p>
<p>It didn&#039;t take very long for Obama to seize the mantle of the most partisan president in history.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark_S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, Im missing something...  this was a _bad_ bill, and you&#039;re saying the RNC is wrong for trying to show that by questioning the three republicans in the Senate who did what we conservatives didn&#039;t want? 
 
Btw.. let&#039;s also put an end to the &quot;myth&quot; of Republican control for 8 years, shall we? 
2001 January - 2001 June = Republican controlled congress (.5 years) 
2001 June - 2003 January = Democratic controlled congress (1.5 years) 
2003 January - 2006 January = Republican controlled congress (3 years) 
2006 January - current  Democratic controlled congress (3 years) 
 
Yes President Bush was in the white house, but Congress controls the purse strings...   So it seems to me that you want &quot;bipartisan&quot;-ship, you got it.. and look at the mess it left.   President Bush promoted some screwball spending programs, yes... but it seems that he and President Obama are just alike in that regards. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, Im missing something&#8230;  this was a _bad_ bill, and you&#039;re saying the RNC is wrong for trying to show that by questioning the three republicans in the Senate who did what we conservatives didn&#039;t want? </p>
<p>Btw.. let&#039;s also put an end to the &quot;myth&quot; of Republican control for 8 years, shall we?<br />
2001 January &#8211; 2001 June = Republican controlled congress (.5 years)<br />
2001 June &#8211; 2003 January = Democratic controlled congress (1.5 years)<br />
2003 January &#8211; 2006 January = Republican controlled congress (3 years)<br />
2006 January &#8211; current  Democratic controlled congress (3 years) </p>
<p>Yes President Bush was in the white house, but Congress controls the purse strings&#8230;   So it seems to me that you want &quot;bipartisan&quot;-ship, you got it.. and look at the mess it left.   President Bush promoted some screwball spending programs, yes&#8230; but it seems that he and President Obama are just alike in that regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does this guy post here?  Aren&#039;t there enough liberal sites for the Obama love-fest to post at? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does this guy post here?  Aren&#039;t there enough liberal sites for the Obama love-fest to post at?</p>
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