The Bushies’ Crazy Ex Syndrome
by John RidleyUsually when a president leaves office he and his administration have the good graces to go off somewhere and quietly wait for history to pass judgment on their legacy.
Not so with the Bushies.
Having thoroughly bankrupted every aspect of this country, Bush cronies from Karl Rove to Alberto Gonzales to Andy Card now sit and snipe at the president at every opportunity. Most egregious is former VP Dick Cheney; he the accomplished crystal baller whose every prediction about the war in Iraq was so very spot on. His flip flop on strategy from the time he was Secretary of Defense to when he was Vice President is unprecedented. But having gotten it all so very wrong, Cheney lacks the decorum to merely fade away. Like a crazy ex-girlfriend who stalkishly screams from the street corner to your window “you’ll be sorry if you leave me,” Cheney insists President Obama is soft on terrorism and his closing of Gitmo will invite disaster. This despite the fact some 420 of the original 775 detainees have been released without so much as ever being charged. This despite the fact that President Obama continues the Bush policy of air strikes along the Af/Pak border. This despite the fact the President intends to press the war in Afghanistan which the Bush administration left to fester.
But Cheney’s criticisms are at least grounded in arguable ideology. Not so for former Chief of Staff Andy Card who took offense at Obama literally rolling up his sleeves and getting to work. Says Card: ”I’m disappointed to see the casual, laissez-faire, short sleeves, no shirt and tie, no jacket, kind of locker-room experience that seems to be taking place in this White House and the Oval Office.”
As opposed to the casual, laissez-faire kind of locker-room experience Bush brought to the Katrina response or the war in Iraq?
And scandal-plagued Alberto Gonzales isn’t worth taking the energy to blog about.
There is, obviously, plenty to be concerned about regarding the Democrats and the President’s first days in office. But we don’t need advice on how to handle this new relationship from the ladies who blew the last one.
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At first I thought you meant the Bushes themselves – like that lizard HW who conveniently works with war profiteers via the Carlyle Group to make a killing (ah hem) through the unfounded wars his son started.
As for those who leave and blow the whistle on the crimes Bush committed, they are honorable people and I’m thankful for them. I’m sure a lot more are about to come forth.
Is this a joke? Ask the people freezing in Kentucky what they make of President Short-sleeves cranking up the thermostat, hosting cocktail parties with $100/lb steak and enjoying his Superbowl bash. The federal response to Katrina was the fastest and largest ever, while Obama didn’t feel the need to address it until a day or so ago.
He also didn’t feel the need to congratulate Iraq on a successful election during his radio address, and the White House issued a perfunctory statement only when it was shamed into doing so.
Obama’s hapless press secretary had no coherent response to the release of AQ Khan, and dropping charges against the leader of the Cole bombing sends a very strong message to the islamists out there, just not the one that should be sent.
Who could imagine that Cheney’s strategy on defense might change between 1988-92 and post-9/11? That is a profoundly stupid comment. The better question is why does the new administration still act as though Iraq is a quagmire of defeat? We won, get over it.
The parade of tax-cheating nominees and the boundless arrogance of the president, Reid and Pelosi is breathtaking.
Yeah they should keep quiet about the new President just like every ex member of the Clinton and Carter admins. They have really shown the way in classy exits. Alberto Gonzales’ biggest scandal appears to be that he is a hispanic conservative. Holder on the other hand brings scandal and corruption with him. Please give us a list of the fugitives and terrorists that Mr. Gonzales helped get pardoned for political gain? Do the names Carville, Begala or Stephanopolous ring a bell? They sure held their tongues when Bush was President. I’m glad to see all types of opinion here at Bighollywood but at least they should have some basis in fact and reality. As for the Katrina response maybe you should go look at how the state of Mississippi reacted compared to the team of Blanco and Nagin (what party did they belong to?) before you blame the “Bushies”. By the way how about those dead and freezing people in Kentucky without water and power for at leasr a week. Obama’s response has been pathetic. But Kentucky is a conservative state so i guess all the news anchors have been too busy to visit and see how bad the help from the fed has been . Cards criticism was stupid I’ll give you that.
I remember how VP Al Gore went into a quiet retirement after he left office.
Give me Bush over BO any day!
Randy, please do the American people a huge favor. If you haven’t already, don’t procreate. This country has enough anti-Bush-talking-points Kool-Aid drinkers as it is.
I’m sure you believe both Bill Clinton and BO are as pure as the winf-driven snow. Well, BO probably not, but he does have a little more experience with “snow” than any other president. Unless, of course, he didn’t snort.
If you are going to insist on posting your opinions on this site all I ask is that you do so in a coherent way. Present your argument clearly and try to avoid the hyperbole and frothing BDS tinged rants that the left seems to love. If I want to read that stuff I can go to HuffPo or Daily Kos.
Also, this piece is seriously out of place on a site that is focused on culture. Unless this is an insight into the culture of chronic BDS sufferers.
If I wanted to hear that drivel I would have turned the tv on. You are spot on Smiity.
allswell – February 7th, 2009 at 8:19 am
….Please give us a list of the fugitives and terrorists that Mr. Gonzales helped get pardoned for political gain?….
Easy. Bush. He helped shield Bush from charges of treason. But now I hope it goes forward. He murdered Americans and lost this country a ton of money so he could pursue baseless wars for personal profit as well as serving the interests of a foreign country – Israel.
But I’m sure Bush knows that which is why he bought huge tracts of land outside the country where he can take refuge while the country crumbles as a result of his actions. He can go play Kurtz in the jungle while his Daddy can be names emporer of the New World Order.
As for the Katrina response maybe you should go look at how the state of Mississippi reacted compared to the team of Blanco and Nagin (what party did they belong to?)
Only thing Bush can be blamed for on that count was the illegal confiscation of weapons by the military. Where was Bush on that? Silent. Just testing the waters for the next attempt at confiscation by his collaborator Obama (what, you don’t really think these guys are opponents do you? All a show to give you the impression you have a choice. Bush and Obama both serve the CFR and Israel before the US.)
It’s a Saturday morning, dude. Did you wake up this morning with a BDS fever and just have to get it out? Bush is out, your guy – the One True American – is in. Time to find some new material.
Obviously Big Hollywood has been hacked.
There is an unwritten rule (violated by Carter and Clinton) that ex-Presidents don’t criticize their successors. That rule doesn’t apply to the rest of the administration. This is just a case of trying to secure “kid glove” treatment for Obama.
John, I don’t think that Hillary becoming a senator from New York was “have(ing) the good graces to go off somewhere and quietly wait for history to pass judgment on their legacy.”
In this great country, you are welcome to your opinion. If you are a BO lover, well, fine, but leave OUR Bushes alone!
What has Ridley been smoking?
Does he think “clintonites” didn’t snipe at Bush since the beginning of the 2000 election cycle, through the contested election, up until this very moment as I type?
It is Obama who lacks class. I have heard eleven inaugural speeches and his is the first one that took shots at his predecessor. Gratuitous, ungracious and untrue shots, I might add.
Too bad he and his classless wife are finally being forced to open their mouths and speak extemporaneously because neither one of them has a neuron firing between them. Or an ounce of manners.
DId you write this to see what reaction you will get?
Because you are either an idiot or you do not read.
I dont care for the Globalists Bushies but the dems did the same 8 years ago and Clinton could not keep his mouth shut either!
So roll that and smoke it…….
“By the way how about those dead and freezing people in Kentucky without water and power for at leasr a week. Obama’s response has been pathetic. But Kentucky is a conservative state so i guess all the news anchors have been too busy to visit and see how bad the help from the fed has been.”
Allswell, fortunately for Kentuckians they have a large Amish population that has been helping everyone to cope! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090205/ap_on_re_us/ice_storm_amish
John, I agree about Card, but the rest is over the top. For 8 years the Democrats and the Media-who are one and the same, engaged in the Saul Alinsky School of Politics; painting Horns, Cloven Hooves, Tails, Pitchforks, Swastikas, Money Bags, Jail Stripes, Mud, Dirt, Etc…. on Bush and Republicans in general with their 24-7-365 Attack Machine.
What Obama and the Democrats have got in return so far is trivial in comparison. Obamas pattern is to destroy opponents with scandal through a compliant and biased Media, which, incidently, rarely mentions party affiliation when there is a Democrat Scandal they can’t cover up. And remember, Al Capone went to Prison for Tax Evasion. The Chicago way is the Chicago way.
Enough already. Let them speak. These are perilous times, and I am grateful for any patriot with a voice.
Is this the Huffington Post?
Who needs this drivel?
SMITTY
Chill the @&%$ out. If you had bothered to read the rest of my post you would have seen I was directing my comments at Ridley, not you. Actually I’m not even sure if you thought it was directed at you. Maybe you’re just an angry jerk using the anonymity of the comment thread to get your pent up aggression out. Whatever the case may be, I suggest you go back and read my post and then decide if you really want to respond the way you did above. I’ll be expecting your retraction soon.
“And remember, Al Capone went to Prison for Tax Evasion. The Chicago way is the Chicago way.”
-JLK
Wow! We really have come a long way! Now he would be eligible for a Cabinet post.
The first two-plus weeks of the Obama administration has made the Bushies look like extremely steady hands.
First sentence: The set up
Second sentence: Bad English, ‘Bushies’ is not a word.
Third sentence: Unsupported argument and hyperbole. Also, they’re the opposition, we are still allowed to oppose the ONE when we think he’s wrong in this country, aren’t we?
Fourth sentence: I think any examination of Cheney’s actions will show him as one of the most active and involved VPs in US History. He certainly makes Gore and Biden look light lightweights. And it’s not predictions that matter, his role isn’t soothsayer, as part of the executive branch he was there to make decisions, support the president and react to events that are ACTUALLY present.
Fifth sentence: Try to link to something more professional than a ‘Wikiquote’. In addition no reference to which quote on the page is supposed to be supporting the author’s argument. Also hyperbole.
Sixth sentence: Conclusion ‘having gotten it so wrong’ not established by the author’s citation. Lacking decorum also not supported, author does not provide examples.
Seventh sentence: article premise. Poorly phrased and sentence badly constructed. Also insisting Obama is soft on terror and closing “Gitmo” will invite disaster are hardly ‘stalkerish screams’.
Eighth sentence: Perhaps that point to the fact that remaining detainees are more dangerous? Maybe that’s why we’re hanging on to them.
Ninth sentence: Air strikes are not a strategy; they are, at best, the status quo. The status quo will not win in Afghanistan. Obama has not outlined a strategy or police for victory in Afghanistan.
Tenth sentence: I think clearly the war in Iraq was much higher stakes. If we had not concentrated on Iraq, I think the consequences for the entire region would have disastrous. For better or worse, Afghanistan was someplace we could mark time. Personally, I think the administration should have increased the size of the military, but that’s one criticism of the Bush administration the author seems to have missed. Perhaps it’s too detail-oriented for a slapped together crap article.
Eleventh sentence: Bone is thrown
Twelfth sentence: Ok…
Thirteenth sentence: Quotation
Fourteenth sentence: Although FEMA made some mistakes, I believe an objective examination of the facts of the Katrina disaster response can lay most of the blame on the Mayor and Governor of the state, not on the Federal level, which is constrained on when it can intervene. Also the idea that the war on Iraq was undertaken casually is an insult and demonstrably untrue: see the books of Bob Woodward. Also, where is the outrage over Obama’s absence while much of the Midwest was without power this past week. No small disaster, that.
Fifteenth sentence: Well if the author can’t be bother to criticize Gonzales, let’s just pretend he hasn’t criticized him. Seems fair.
Sixteenth sentence: a second bone thrown, again via link as opposed to author’s own words.
Seventeenth sentence: You’re right listening to someone with EXPERIENCE in these matters is a mistake. Clearly experience wasn’t what the author, or a majority of voters, values.
Eighteenth sentence: If all the articles on author’s link are as poorly written and supported as this, then for more insight…don’t visit.
Two or three arguable points drowned in a flood of unsubstantiated tripe. I think Big Hollywood would do well to have more voices from the Center or even Left, as long as they don’t simply echo the charges of the Loony Left (which is kind of the reason this site exists). This article was a waste of time. It’s the entire reason I avoid the Daily KOS and HuffPo.
In the last 8 years, does anyone remember President Bush or VP Cheney ever complaining or whining about they way they were portrayed by the press or by Hollywood? Frankly, I don’t. My theory is that the intensity of BDS is in the direct opposite proportion to the acknowledgment from Bush and Cheney. In other words, the less acknowledgment, the more intense the BDS.
If you like affirmative action, you will love BO.
The heck? I must have mistyped a URL.
Great job! This is satire, right? Or just a little something to go with your Saturday morning coffee to jolt you awake and cause you to bang the keyboard? Because if you really mean this, sir, this is a little, or a lot, like having one neighbors house burning down in front of you while you are complaining about the neighbor that just moved out not having mowed his lawn before he left. Find something liberal to complain about. There’s plenty of possibilities.
From the first sentence, which is so dumb it makes the rest of the crap written here in this piece unreadable, it’s embarrassing to see this get passed off as thoughtful or even coherent.
JD
Is this what Big Hollywood wants to be associated with? My advice, John Ridley you are an idiot and should do what you request of the Bushes, please just slither away into the wilderness and save us your insight. It is lacking and venemous.
Shouldn’t you be writing for The Huffington Post?
Obama has been in office less than a month, and the ship of state is already listing.
We are gonna need lifeboats soon.
John Ridley should be pinching these things out in the comments like any other troll, not given the legitimacy of being a formal contributor to Big Hollywood.
Is this really what Breitbart and Nolte had in mind?
The Bushies should have the good grace to hold their fire for a few months anyway, considering the shape they left the country in. We know that holding people without trial and without charge is part of the Bush/Cheney modus operandi, but does Cheney think Gitmo is the only place you can do it? Bush isn’t entirely responsible for the economic meltdown, but what did he do in his eight years to forestall it? He had bigger things on his plate like establishing his legacy as a hero of freedom by launching a war of aggression. Someday, when Bush’s liberation forces finally leave, Iraqi’s may have water, sewage, electricity and security again. Bush will continue to live in his fantasy-world. WE know OBL wanted the U.S. bankrupt, but did Bush have to oblige?
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, ANDREW IF THIS IS THE TYPE OF BDS POSTING YOU ARE GOING TO ALLOW HERE AT BIG HOLLYWOOD, YOU WILL LOSE THIS CONSERVATIVE. IF I WANTED TO READ TRASH LIKE THIS I COULD GO TO HUFFINGTON POST.
“I understand Nolte’s and Breitbart’s desire to bring some variety to Big Hollywood…”
That’s a mistake. There is literally no shortage of this kind of crap to be found on the Internet. Every article at Huffington Post mirrors such drivel. Why make room for it here? It’s unnecessary and frankly stinks the place up.
Big Hollywood should focus more on being an antidote to this nonsense, not another carrier.
I don’t get the self imposed fairness doctrine going on here, doesn’t sound to well thought out. I come here daily, but if this is a glimpse of what to expect in the future, I could just watch the View or MSNBC.
JD
Ridley, is this satire?
I have to agree with the other posters who say they won’t come back if this turns into The Huffington Post. I can go just about anywhere else if I want to read more BDS. I don’t think I can handle it here too.
what the hell does this have to do with Hollywood? At least connect a dot or two. Say Mamma Mia at the end. Something. jeez.
Why is there a run-of-the-mill liberal democrat posting on Big Hollywood??? I this website was dedicated to hollywood conservatives, rare as they be. If I wanted drivel like this, I would read my local newspaper, the St. Louis Post Dispatch…
Hey John! Love the satire! At least the “B”, “H”, and “O” keys on the White House computer keyboards were still intact when Obama’s staff sat at their desks on their first day of work
If only Al Gore rode off quietly into the sunset after he left the Clinton Administration…
I’m starting to laugh at all the intolerance towards a liberal post. C’mon guys, maybe Andrew just wants to remind us who the opposition is. If we just sit around singing to the same choir we’ll become as irrelevant and loony as the Huffpo or the Kos.
Is this for real?
“I’m starting to laugh at all the intolerance towards a liberal post. C’mon guys, maybe Andrew just wants to remind us who the opposition is. If we just sit around singing to the same choir we’ll become as irrelevant and loony as the Huffpo or the Kos.”
No one here needs reminding of who the opposition is because the opposition saturates the media already. There is also no danger of us “singing to the same choir” because, again, liberals saturate the media, and their songs (and choirs) are everywhere to be found.
Do you really think that we won’t be exposed to liberal drivel if it isn’t posted on Big Hollywood? Utter nonsense.
@Peter
The point I’m trying to make is that I’m already bombarded by this drivel everyday. I used to work in Hollywood and found it refreshing that there was a site offering another p.o.v. within a notoriously liberal community. To see the same old, same old show up so quickly is discouraging.
Mr.Ridley,
Maybe the “Bushies” would be quiet if President Obama stopped saying “Bush did it/but I am the world”. It seems President Obama doesn’t realize he is off the campaign trail. He needs to stop the messianic talk and start governing.
Well, I doubt this site will turn into HuffPo, but reading Ridley’s post was certainly a WTF moment.
At first I thought he was complaining about the Bushes themselves. Then I thought he was going after the Bush admin folks who are now complaining about Bush (e.g., Scott McClellan). It turns out, however, that Ridley is going after everyone. The only real reason for the rant seems to be a lingering case of BDS.
As much as I’m tired of such endlessly repeated complaints, I can also understand a desire on the part of the BDSers to not let the perceived failings of GWB be forgotten. That said, trotting out Katrina, in particular, as a Bush failing is incredibly myopic. Yes, it proved to be pretty unfortunate that Bush praised “Brownie” just before we learned that Brownie was a boob. The real problem was the incompetent governor (Blanco) who was unable to make critical decisions and the corrupt New Orleans mayor (Nagin) who oversaw the scandal and corruption involving the crumbling levy infrastructure. Bush’s main mistake was in respecting the authority of state and local officials and waiting too long to realize they were incompetent, corrupt, or both.
Peter,
I think the experiment of letting alternative thread posters here on BGH is fine if the poster like Ridley does not abuse their privilege. Ridley did, and he has done severe harm to this site and drive away Conservatives in the entertainment industry with one post. We need a break from the BDS that is everywhere. Ridley knew that but did not care and took advantage of Andrew’s kindess. Everything Andrew has done to build here, Ridley severely weakened in one post.
John Ridley said-
“Usually when a president leaves office he and his administration have the good graces to go off somewhere and quietly wait for history to pass judgment on their legacy.”
You should write comedies. Have you never heard of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton? Good grief. Bush Derangement Syndrome must be a powerful disease.
“If we just sit around singing to the same choir we’ll become as irrelevant and loony as the Huffpo or the Kos.”
I thought that was the reason big hollywood was started {like minded folks talking ideas}, if you wanted to hear the type of tripe in this article you could just go to the movies, or to work for that matter.
It’ not like the other side has no voice, is it?
Oh yeah, almost forgot,
Mamma Mia,
JD
John Ridley is right – no criticism of Obama allowed! I hope they shut up Diane McDaniels really fast! She was on Fox talking about charges being dropped against the terrorist bomber of the Cole – her son, James McDaniels, came back “in pieces”. How dare she say she made a mistake when she voted for Obama? How dare she say Obama should be impeached?! How about Ron Francis? His daughter, Lakeina Francis, was another victim of this terrorist. Mr. Francis isn’t too happy with Obama’s dropping of charges either. I don’t care if these Americans are black Americans – they need to be shut up! Everybody just keep quiet, don’t criticize Obama, (I mean he’s like god, right) then, somehow, the coming terrorist attacks can be blamed on President Bush. Isn’t that a great plan? Count on it – that’s what John Ridley and his friends are going to try to do.
Hey Smiity. I just checked again, and yes this writer is still an idiot.
Why so much HATE from the author? Why do you have to HATE the Republicans? The people who daily accuse Republicans of HATING everyone put their own in office and immediately start SPREADING HATE!!! Anyone see the irony here? Stop the HATE!
B.O. said he wanted to “work with both sides of the isle” and the minute he gets into office all the Republicans are supposed to say “Yes massa!” and suddenly start doing his every command. B.O. thinks he was elected king and master of the whole country. He’s out of his mind. I know he has a few confused kids dressing in brown shirts and marching with their right hands in the air, but that doesn’t meant the rest of us are going along with it. B.O. went to Washington and found a two party system was still in Congress. Gee, it’s hard to believe that he got 50% of the votes cast and still doesn’t have 100% in servitude, what a crazy world we live in! He has to be president just like everyone who came before him. He doesn’t get to have his way just because he’s the black messiah. How unfair! Go have a good cry on Pelosi’s shoulder.
Not my president! Never will be. In two weeks he’s shown himself to be a bigger disaster than Clinton, and that is a tough act to follow.
Will people ever stop the Bush Bashing? Get a friggin’ life moron!
I think this may actually be a case of “When Things Start Going Badly in a New Relationship Comfort Yourself by Focusing on the Bigger Problems You Had With Your Ex…syndrome.”
I’ve been seeing a lot of it lately.
Oh, and this after eight years of AL GORE making a career out of beating up on the Bush administration? Please. Did you ever talk about “crazy ex Al Gore?” Somehow I doubt it. Either you’re the biggest hypocrite to ever come down the pike or you’re just trolling for traffic. Maybe both.
And the attack Bush red-meat headline for the attack Cheney article…sad.
This is getting boring. I had high hopes for Big Hollywood back on Jan. 6th. Remember those days, when Sarah Palin threads got 2,000 comments. I was excited to hit the refresh button every couple hours to see what was new on Big Hollywood.
Now, I might check it once a day. After one month it has lost focus. It allows BDS posts that I can read on a million other sites. The moderators allow clowns like Terry to post anti-Semitic rants in EVERY one of his posts…and yesterday allowed JIF to say US troops enjoyed bayoneting Iraqi children. When I told the moderators to wake up and ban JIF, my post was blocked, but JIF’s “bayonting Iraqi children” post was allowed to remain.
Has Big Hollywood jumped the shark already?
It USED to be a tradition that former Presidents would not comment on current Presidents and how they were handling the job, their policies etc.
But that ended with the classless Carter and Clinton.
This is nothing new for, as you put it, cronies to voice their opinions.
May I ask, where have you been for the last 8 years?
Besides Carter, Clinton, Gore I guess you have missed Paul Begala and his trusty sidekick James Carville, George Stephanopoulos, Lanny Davis, Bob Beckel, just to name a few.
Only the left are aloud to voice their opinions? Sorry that’s not how it works.
Obviously John you have BDS. You’ve (the left) had alot of fun these last 8 years whining and complaining at every turn but now the tables have turned and not everyone thinks that Obama is THE ONE.
You won John, you should be happy. YOU got the government you wanted but yet here you are still full of hate.
Sorry John, I and alot of people do not believe in Obama’s version of hope and change and every American has the right to voice their opinion.
If you want to silence speech, (fairness doctrine)if you really want to go down that road, may I suggest another country might be more to your liking.
As far as Andy Cards comment, Clinton got the same criticism.
Some feel it shows a lack of respect for the office.
I thought he looked sloppy and not very Presidential.
“The point I’m trying to make is that I’m already bombarded by this drivel everyday. I used to work in Hollywood and found it refreshing that there was a site offering another p.o.v. within a notoriously liberal community. To see the same old, same old show up so quickly is discouraging.”
Exactly, if this continues, in less than six months this place will be a waste of time, Big Hollywood will become a swamp not worthy of navigating, the voices will wonder off into another round of wondering in the darkness, again unorganized and unheard from, the nutz will have divided and conquered BH before it ever really got rolling.
If this place becomes a swamp, there’ll be no fixing it, I’ve seen it happen time again, which is a shame, this has been the best new blog experience I’ve had in a few years, the TCM pick of the day is just one reason, I’d just hate to see it go the way of the nutz.
JD………………..
“Ridley is the Founding Editor of That Minority Thing (thatminoritything.com), a nonpartisan website that provides news and opinions in support of a wide range of voices, including ethnic, racial, religious, disabled, gender, and sexual minorities.”
Nonpartisan? Yeah, sure you are.
I would remind all the posters here that this is not John Ridley’s first post, but his second about politics with no connection to Hollywood. (Check out “My Obligatory Inauguration Obama-is-Great Post (And Why He is)” which really was a well written post.) And still, in my book, his post entitled “PC Whiners Aside, Downey Jr. Deserves His Oscar Nod” was, and still is, one of the best posts on BH.
All of that aside, this post was worthless unsubstantiated drivel…
Hi JD,
I want to second your opinion!
I hope the editors read your comment and take action. I was very discouraged to come here this AM and read this garbage.
Even Spike Lee conceded Katrina was a failure of local and state government.
Ridley needs to STFU and try and get a job with HuffPo.
I read this article twice and all I can think is what the heck, Am I at Big Hollywood? or was I re-directed to whiners are us?
At first I thoght the article was a satire. What a load of BDS. Hey BH what the hey is going on here? Trying for the Huffpo?
wha wha whaaaat???
has a glimmer of sanity come to the britefart?
bush is a war criminal and a presidential disaster you idiots.
Joe Melnick- keep defending katrina response r tard. you and ‘brownie’ should get a room.
“KAT – February 7th, 2009 at 11:03 am said:
It USED to be a tradition that former Presidents would not comment on current Presidents and how they were handling the job, their policies etc.”
And Bush has stuck to that tradition, the article is about Cheney, not Bush (although you wouldn’t know that from the title) I don’t know if it’s ever been tradition for ex-VP’s not to comment.
The problem is that the author of this article does what the lying left has done for eight years with Bush. He pretends he’s talking about Bush when he’s really talking about someone else.
Just like “Bush told us Iraq was an immanent threat” when Bush never, ever said that, in fact he said the exact opposite. “Well,” they say “people attached to him did…kinda…uhhhh.”
But then the lie, the stereotype, the myth is out there. They hate and hate and hate and spend their time either making up more excuses to hate him or reading other’s excuses.
The truth is, they have hated him since day one (or before day one), but they need excuses so they can blame him for this hatred and yet still consider themselves good people. See: racism.
Sorry for the skree, but I was sick to death of this for eight years (actually more than eight years because the hateful left was protesting Bush before and during his inauguration), and I was hoping it would end with a new president. But I underestimated the hatefulness, pettiness and bitterness of the Left.
Silly me.
Peter:
“I’m starting to laugh at all the intolerance towards a liberal post.”
Pete, if you think this is overreaction, try doing the same thing at Huffpo or Kos with an anti-big O post: here I’ve seen, for the most part, people throwing facts and logic. At Huffpo or Kos my computer would have melted down with all the pure, unadulterated hate that would have resulted. I’d be lucky to get out with my sanity intact.
For the most part, all I see here are people who believe a conservative site they feel at home with has been hijacked by the loony left….notice I did NOT say dems.
Island of reason in a sea of insanity are few and far between, Pete: cut them some slack.
mandinkawarrior:
“Obama has been in office less then a month.From some of this diatribe,one would think he was president for the last eight years.Ridley is right, some people just can,t handle the truth. Ok you can call me a bunch of names.It might be cathartic for you.Right wingers are some of the meanest,heartless ,scariest people on the planet.I am gone.”
I wonder if you honestly believe what you just said. The only people I’ve seen who can’t handle facts, and the truth. are lefties. They like to fall back on touchy-feely debate, which has precious little to do with truth.
I also love the. ‘drive-by shooting’ style of post you did….accuse conservatives of not being able to handle you’re idea of ‘truth’, accuse them of calling those who disagree bad names, then YOU do the exact
same thing, and run away (I am gone). Brave, very brave my friend.
I sincerely hope that this is not a taste of things to come on this sight: maybe, just maybe this is ment to be an example of what life will be like if the Pelosi-monster gets her Fairness bill passed.
God help us all.
“keep defending katrina response r tard. you and ‘brownie’ should get a room.”
Revhatchell – Right here, right now – Explain what Bush’s response should have been during Katrina.
Wow…my computer refresh rate can’t keep up with the comments. This is awesome!
I thought this was supposed to be a conservative website? If I want to read this kind of leftist drivel, I’ll go to Huffpo.
“EDWARD_M – February 7th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Peter:
“I’m starting to laugh at all the intolerance towards a liberal post.”
Pete, if you think this is overreaction, try doing the same thing at Huffpo or Kos with an anti-big O post: here I’ve seen, for the most part, people throwing facts and logic. At Huffpo or Kos my computer would have melted down with all the pure, unadulterated hate that would have resulted. I’d be lucky to get out with my sanity intact.”
Edward_M go read Greg Gutfeld’s posts over at HuffPo and the resulting comments. It’s awesome.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-gutfeld/
It’s so sad that Greg wasn’t able to get out with his sanity in tact
I always wondered how Gutfeld wound up working at the far left HuffPo. After reading Mr. Ridley’s posts, I wonder if Breitbart had something to do with it. I’m thinking that as a kid Mr. Andrew enjoyed many long hours of shaking up the “bee jar” and watching them fight.
Wow! Been hearin’ about Big Hollywood and how I should come check it out! How it’s cool, ’cause it’s, like, conservative hollywood posting on the internet ‘n stuff! Hey, not so much! Maybe it’s a ‘libertarian thing’ that I’m just not getting. Gutfield’s ode to Lux Interior was cool, but this cancels that out now. And then some. Bye, Big Hollywood! Good luck. Yer gonna need it.
BevfromNYC – February 7th, 2009 at 11:46 am
“keep defending katrina response r tard. you and ‘brownie’ should get a room.”
“Revhatchell – Right here, right now – Explain what Bush’s response should have been during Katrina.”
Don’t get too wrapped up with Revhatchell, BevfromNYC….he thinks a POTUS has the power to step in whenever they want too. Probably much like he thinks The One can walk on water. He’s ignoring facts, like all lefties.
Completely ignorant of the fact that the Gov of any state is the REAL first responder, and is the only one that has the power to ASK the Federal Gov for assistance.
Ignores that the Mayor of New Orleans never updated the Gov on what was really happening until it was far too late to make a difference.
Ignores the fact that the Gov, in a press conference, stated that she, NOT the POTUS, was in charge, and would not allow ‘federal troops’ to declare martial law (as if anyone other than her had the power to)
Ignores the fact that only when the POTUS stated publicly that he was going to act without the Gov’s permission, that she then allowed to federal assistance.
And lets not forget those wonderful images of school buses under water, wasted when they could have been use to evacuate all those who were left behind. Think Bush told the Mayor he couldn’t use them? Yep, thought you did Revhatchell.
Terminal case of BDS.
But I can’t really blame him too much. After all, with the media in your pocket, you can pass anything off as the ‘truth’ and most too lazy to think will eat it right up.
Remember my friends, its called ‘Pravda’: truth (and we’ll let you know what is true and what isn’t, my Orwellian little drones).
Mr. Ridley,
Thanks for posting here. I certainly want BH to be a conservative site, but I have seen you in interviews and read your work before. You’re one of the people who actually wants to engage those with whom you degree. That’s the only kind of bipartisanship I actually respect, unlike the phony current idea of bipartisanship which means “shut up Republicans and do what we say.” By posting you’re saying you believe in this site and that’s great. But what you can’t do…(you can, you just won’t get away with it unchallenged) is come in here and use the liberal cocktail party shorthand. You can’t just say that the quote “Bushies” thoroughly bankrupted this country or sarcastically that Cheney was “spot on” in his predictions about the war or that Bush was laissez-faire about Katrina. We don’t hold these truths to be self evident. To put it in your terms, your article starts out with a flimsy premise, doesn’t develop the characters and has an ending that’s not supported by the second or third acts. Now the article you linked to…about your concerns about the Obama administration, is pretty darn good, not because of your ideology but because it is honest and not reflexive in the way this piece is. For anyone damning Ridley, take a look at that article (”plenty to be concerned with” – linked within this piece). I hope you post again. I can’t go to the Huffington Post because halfway through any article I think I’m reading the Onion.
Never knew there were so many frustrated conservatives. Really pushed a button. Wow, can’t see the truth and don’t want to hear it.
Suffice to say I vehemently disagree with Mr. Ridley’s referring to former President Bush and his family in the negative. “Bushies” is not funny or original. I consider it vile and disrespectful and an invitation I will not accept to start demeaning the current president with any number of apt slurs. In fact, I can write off this entire post. I didn’t get past the second paragraph. Life is too short. Mr. Ridley asked to post here, and his first piece dealt with the notion that his screenplay for “Three Kings” had been interpreted as a “neo-con” in its intentions. I am glad that Big Hollywood’s smart and articulate readers have taken Mr. Ridley’s “dissent” to task.
Isn’t BDS when a conservative deludes himself into thinking Bush was a conservative rather than a traitor?
Diana of Ohio (Hopefully not Cincinnati though)
I thought leftists like you didn’t believe in truth
space commando – February 7th, 2009 at 9:09 am
William Kennard, Arthur Levitt, Thomas McLarty: all Clinton people, all worked with Carlyle Group. Carlyle drew seed money from George Soros that noted conservative. Sure that Carlyle Group is a real Republican (and NOT Democrat) cabal.
All that tells me is the notion of there being two parties is all a show! The globalists are running unopposed and are running this country off a cliff!
whatreallyhappened.com
infowars.com
I’m surprised Mr. Ridley had time to write this article since he gives Obama a 24/7 tongue bath.
If I wanted to hear this same old whining about Bush and his crowd, I would go to the MSNBC website. Ridley claims that Cheney lacks decorum. B. Hussein made fun of former first lady Nancy Reagan in his first press conference, called his grandmother a racist in a speech, and called Sarah Palin a pig on the campaign trail. He not only lacks decorum, but seems to be a misogynist.
“the unfounded wars that [Bush 43] started”.
How did Bush affect the start of the war in Iraq, which began on 2 August 1990 with the illegal invasion of Kuwait by Hussein, and continued with the defiant disobedience of scores of UN resolutions?
Jim – February 7th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
“the unfounded wars that [Bush 43] started”.
“How did Bush affect the start of the war in Iraq, which began on 2 August 1990 with the illegal invasion of Kuwait by Hussein, and continued with the defiant disobedience of scores of UN resolutions?”
Jim, its called Pravda.
The truth as THEY decode it.
You can’t use facts in the face of Pravda….they can’t hear you.
They’ll never hear you.
Jim – February 7th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
“How did Bush affect the start of the war in Iraq, which began on 2 August 1990 with the illegal invasion of Kuwait by Hussein, and continued with the defiant disobedience of scores of UN resolutions?”
No more an “illegal invasion” than Israel’s illegal occupation of the Palestinian territory (which I’m sure you have no problem with.) In fact, we green lighted the invasion. Look up “April Glasspie.” The whole thing was a setup.
Edward M. THANK YOU! Absolutely correct! That’s what my response was going to be to his reply. I am curious to see if Revhatchell will respond.
Andrew B. – It takes a brave person to open himself up for such ridicule. We all should know, right? However, Mr. Ridley knows this is a conservative site and can’t complain when we vehemently disagree with him. The question is will he stay brave and want to post again!
C’mon, John. Hooples come here to get an ideological backrub. Skip Press, among others, is here to give it to them. (And for free!) Making them think just knocks their brain bolts loose.
Stop it!!
Wow Trent…..
I get the feeling you’re unhappy Saddam is dead and Iraq is free (or as free as any country ever is).
And I love the conspiracy thing (we green lighted the invasion….The whole thing was a setup). You go that route, you could as easily say that the UN looked the other way and, “green-lighted” the invasion.
Oh, but what…that wouldn’t keep the blame squarely on GWB (elder or younger), now would it? Or that a nation might, dare I say it, act WITHOUT the consent of the US Government? After all, Bush (either) held all the strings, controlled every government, and we all KNOW that no Democrat would EVER do anything like that.
I just love the world the left lives in.
TRENT
Of course we are ok with Israel…we are not a bunch a anti-semites who cozy up to fascist extremist groups every time we get an opportunity.
Oh and SMITTY
I’m still waiting for my apology. If you don’t know what I’m talking about see above for my response to your outburst telling me to go read huffpo
What a transparently hypocritical and otherwise idiotic piece. First, no democrat that I know of anymore (now that Patrick Moynihan is gone) has the least shred of moral authority left to inveigh against partisanship or invoke the imperatives of restraint or good tatse or grace — at all. You lost it in the past eight years. Gone. George Bush could have walked out of the White House straight to a lectern across the street and launched into a jeremiad against the democrats and he would have been in his rights as an injured party. In fact, his maturity, determined non-partisanship and downright graciousness while subjected to the most heinous personal abuse and slanders for the past eight years has been nothing short of astonishing. Secondly, Cheney’s phrasings were both reasoned and completely reasonable within the context of the stakes involved, his and the administration’s record of success over the past eight years, and Obama’s recent untoward actions as well intimations of future anti-terror policy.
“Like a crazy ex-girlfriend who stalkishly screams from the street corner to your window “you’ll be sorry if you leave me…”
Really. Just like that?
I only read this as more evidence of the total intolerance of the childish left to critique. As David Horowitz often points out, they can dish it out but they can’t take it.
It takes someone vapid, bereft of common sense or any sense of reality to look at “Bushie sniping” as a problem. Just when the Messiah complex couldn’t get worse, now the other side can’t even criticize someone they disagree with? Go check out Zombietime and take a look – what kind of criticism do you call that?
This coming from the side that did everything it could to strip humanity of anyone to the right of Marx. Hopefully Mr. Ridley’s invitation to post on this site isn’t ongoing.
edward_m – February 7th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
I get the feeling you’re unhappy Saddam is dead and Iraq is free (or as free as any country ever is).
I get the feeling you accept whatever you are told.
And I love the conspiracy thing (we green lighted the invasion….The whole thing was a setup). You go that route, you could as easily say that the UN looked the other way and, “green-lighted” the invasion.
They are VERY tight-lipped about the exchange, but even what has been leaked proves we green-lighted the invasion. Saddam came to US – being an ally – and asked what to do regarding Kuwait (which used to be part of Iraq) slant-drilling in to Iraq’s oilfields. We said we wouldn’t interfere….then we did. This is all fact.
blackhawk12151 – February 7th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Of course we are ok with Israel…we are not a bunch a anti-semites who cozy up to fascist extremist groups every time we get an opportunity.
Well, then unless you are racist against Whites, you wouldn’t have a problem with a US taxpayer-funded White homeland being carved out of Africa and ethnic cleansing against the current occupants. That is exactly what happened with the creation of Israel (and continues this day.)
Oh, and the Palestinians are “semites” so your disregard for them is anti-semitic.
Trent:
So I believe what I’m told, and you believe what is leaked.
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.
OH NOES! A VIEWPOINT THAT DIFFERS FROM MY OWN. IT AND THE AUTHOR MUST BE DESTROYED!!! AIEEEEE!!!
Trent”
“…you wouldn’t have a problem with a US taxpayer-funded White homeland being carved out of Africa and ethnic cleansing against the current occupants. That is exactly what happened with the creation of Israel (and continues this day.)”
What a minute, didn’t the UN have something to say about the location and creation of the state of Israel? I thought that in 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. That in 1948, Israel, against the advice of the US, declared independence.
Wouldn’t that place blame squarely on the shoulders of the UN, that august body so beloved by lefties everywhere?
Oh, but wait, the UN is in New York, and is funded by the USA, so it MUST be a puppet of the the US. That puts the blame right where it belongs, on the back of the United States.
See, even conservatives can play the game.
Lefty-land….fun to visit but torture to live in.
TRENT
The Jews didn’t steal anything. They bought that land from the Arabs. At that time the land that makes up the bulk of Israel was borderline uninhabitable and useless for farming. The Jews bought the land at huge discounts cause the Arabs couldn’t do anything with it. They then proceeded to turn the land into workable farms and communities. I know facts are harmful to your delusions about Israel and the Jews but nobody stole it.
Gulp….
I may have posted twice (if the moderator lets it post, that is)
My apologies if I was too strong, and for double posting…I hate when that happens.
“Usually when a president leaves office he and his administration have the good graces to go off somewhere and quietly wait for history to pass judgment on their legacy.”
I didn’t read beyond this opening remark. It’s stupid and empirically not true. And I can prove in two words: George Stephanopoulos.
Hmmmm, I wonder if Mr. Ridley would like the Bush hatred cottage industry to go off quietly as well. My guess he wouldn’t.
I imagine Mr. Ridley’s tolerence for Bush hatred (most of it sold to America as satire) is equal to his tolerence for the slobbering sycophant news reporting Obama gets on most broadcasts.
There is pathetic amount of adoration (guised as news reporting) that is reaching a saturation point that only Brittany Spears and the late Princess Diana would have practical experience to compare to.
After these very long, very tiring two weeks of incompetence, I think America is starting to realize just looking the part isn’t going to cut it for Obama. And perhaps they might wish that he was cast in a new film “The Candidate – Part Two” rather than being cast and sent to Washington.
Are you an idiot or just a crap stirrer. George Bush has not said a word about anything. In case you don’t know it we have freedom of speech until Barak “Hitler” Obama and Nancy Dummie (500 Million Americans Lose their jobs every month!)Pelosi get their ways. You have proved that you are partisan and not a journalist! I won’t waste my time on you anymore!
Man, you liberals sure can hate. You just can’t be rational spewing that kind of hate. I thought I liked this site.
Nobody is doing more to sabotage the incoming administration than the Obamessiah himself. In the space of a few short weeks, he’s torked off our trading partners, abased himself on Al Arabiya television, appointed a series of tax cheats to his “most ethical cabinet ever,” and allowed party hacks Pelosi and Reed to cram his proposed “stimulus package’ to the gills with economy-clogging pork.
Mr. Ridley, you’ve conveniently forgotten the boorish behavior of the departing Clintons in 2001. From the “Nah nah nah nah, hey hey, good-bye” churlishness on display at the Great One’s inauguration, Libs obviously haven’t learned anything in the last eight years except new lows in crapulence.
In contrast, President George Bush demonstrated his characteristic courtesy and graciousness to the new President during the transition period, doing everything in his power to assist Obama.
Or didn’t you notice?
You can tell what an abysmal failure The One is by the non-stop Bush bashing by the lefties. The plan seems to be their usual projection, smoke and mirrors schtick against George Bush and Republicans. They can’t stop because it might come to the attention of we the people that all BO has managed to do is screw up. And I found it interesting that one of the trolls accused Republicans of being mean when the vicious, unrelenting hate exhibited by he and his fellow lefties makes me wonder how anyone can actually live like that without having a stroke or heart attack. That kind of never ending bile can’t be good for the health.
THE KLUTE – February 7th, 2009 at 1:40 pm said:
“OH NOES! A VIEWPOINT THAT DIFFERS FROM MY OWN. IT AND THE AUTHOR MUST BE DESTROYED!!! AIEEEEE!!!”
No, that would be called The Fairness Docterine
I have a prediction: Mr. Ridley will soon stop posting here. In fact, this may turn out to be his last contribution to Big Hollywood. Shortly thereafter, he’ll post something at Huffington Post about how you just can’t talk to the right wingers.
Who would be surprised?
Ridley, according to your statement, “Having thoroughly bankrupted every aspect of this country, Bush cronies from Karl Rove to Alberto Gonzales to Andy Card now sit and snipe at the president at every opportunity.”
It seems to me that Jimmy Carter snipped continually at President Bush, along with Kennedy, Reid, Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Chris Dodds, and Barny Franks; and even now, Obama himself. What part of the Jimmy Carter administration did you miss any way? The “Stagflation?” The “Double Digit Unemployment?” The “Malaise?” Or maybe the “Misery Index?”
Ridley, maybe you could arrange to travel with Jimmy Carter the next time he goes to see his buddies, Castro and Chavez. Carter doesn’t much care about America’s ex-presidents, as he never shuts up about them; however, he has never met a dictator he didn’t like.
And what part did you miss when changes were made in the banking regulations so people who really couldn’t afford to buy a home would be able to get mortgages during the Clinton Administration?
What part did you miss when efforts by the Bush administration in 2004 to rein in and tighten the regulations to prevent a housing market failure were shouted down? Did you happen to miss the video of Maxine Waters, Chris Dodds, and Barney Franks arguing that there was nothing wrong with Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac?
Did you miss Maxine Waters saying: “We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and particularly Fannie Mae under the outstanding leadership of Frank Raines.”
“Waters made that clueless comment during a hearing in 2004 and yes, that’s the same Frank Raines who cooked the books so that he could receive huge bonuses and who is an advisor to the Obama campaign. Here’s a video of the Democrats praising Freddie and Fannie and claiming there’s nothing wrong and the Republicans calling for more regulations.”
(for video see: http://blog.beliefnet.com/reformedchicksblabbing/2008/09/maxine-waters-we-do-not-have-a.html)
And in 2006, when the Democrats took over, weren’t the same people who argued against stronger regulations the same people who were in charge of the housing and finance committees when the banks started failing? Did you miss the fact that these same people had some responsibility for “Having thoroughly bankrupted every aspect of this country?”
Or do you just think that everyone is stupid?
Lefties have always said they want a “classless” society. The classless way they have been acting for the past eight years, as illustrated so well by this article, proves that they are well on their way.
John, how dare you question the patriotism of those that worked for George Bush. They are the true patriots speaking truth to power by showing their loyal opposition to the current president.
Sound familiar, John. Most of you in Hollywood, the MSM and democrats have been showing your asses for the last 8 years and seldom based your opposition on facts, but instead feelings towards Bush. Suck it up, politics is a contact sport.
Randy, [February 7th, 2009 at 8:44 am] Man, you gotta’ quit snortin’ that stuff; it’s already eatin’ a hole in your brain.
You know how you can tell this isn’t a left-wing blog? Because, even though most people here don’t agree with this particular post nobody is hoping that John Ridley dies a horrible death. We simply disagree with him.
Decent writing can often hide pedestrian thinking. That’s not the case here. “Bushies”? Really??
I realize that devoting a little bandwidth to dissenting opinion can help keep things interesting. But surely we can do better than this.
I want all the Obama supporters out there to not worry. We non believers plan on treating Obama as fairly as Bush was treated during his time in office. You have my word on it, so help me God.
Duh,Ridley, wake up and smell the napalm.Your precious Liberal party is nothing but a bunch of communist’s. Did they teach you about the communist party in college? Of course not,you were considered much too sensitive to absorb such knowledge.Obummer’s rating has now plunged to 60%…in only three weeks.When you see a bunch of muslims at the white house wearing black suits ,bow ties and pork pie hats,beware,because they belong to Louis Farrykan.Ohhhh ,yu gonna see some change all right.
Walmart will be selling prayer rugs at half price.Remember- Bushy loves ya baby…keep whining!!
Although your little screed deserves a healthy dose of contempt, I shall instead extend a measure of compassion. I strongly urge you to seek the help of mental health professionals. There are people who can help you overcome your anger, depression and feelings of worthlessness.
Seriously, how come you aren’t writing this stuff for Daily Kos? Cause it seems to me it belongs there, not here. Just another Bush-bashing, Cheney-bashing post. Obama puts down the U.S. in front of the Arabs on TV? Iran says the U.S. is now weakened because of Obama? And you think Cheney isn’t right? How naive can you be???
Anyway, thanks for providing me with your boring (and mind-numbing) viewpoint – it’s really helped cure my insommia (YAWN)
edward_m – February 7th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Trent: So I believe what I’m told, and you believe what is leaked.
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.
No, no….it’s not black people Trent hates, it’s Jews. You have to pay closer attention to keep the nut-jobs and their conspiracy theories straight around here.
JOE…
Great post. Keep more of it coming. And I know there’s a lot of it. For instance you could post the quotes of the hundreds of Democrats in Congress demanding we go to war with Saddam. Unfortunately the list is so long it might crash BH’s server!!!
This continuous Bush hate is boring.
Is J. Ridley a nom de plume for Sean Penn? This reads just like one of his incoherent screeds.
Having read this writing moments after it went up – and like many, considered that it must be some chicanery or attempt at string-along humour – I then returned to this post/thread to find the revelation or explanation that was surely coming.
Sifted the comments….
Thank you Mr. Breitbart for providing it.
What? Is this a joke? Reading this article, it sounds like you’ve taken reality, flipped it 180 degrees, and wrote up a story about that exercise just to try to bend people out of shape.
I don’t feel like allowing you to yank my chain today, so I’ll just point out one particularly glaring piece of bald-faced stupidity:
“As opposed to the casual, laissez-faire kind of locker-room experience Bush brought to the Katrina response or the war in Iraq?” This comment gets its own paragraph, so let’s focus on it.
How is Obama’s “casual, laissez-faire kind of locker-room experience” playing out in Kentucky right now? I understand that there are STILL people without power there, facing bitterly cold weather. Obama has announced that he won’t even visit the place, and FEMA just delivered food containing some of the peanut butter just recalled nationwide because of contamination. Magnificent work there, brownie! The only thing I can conclude is that Obama doesn’t care about white people.
As for Iraq, what what your hero’s strategy there? Cut and run. If Obama had the reins even a couple of years ago, the body count in that country would be multiples of what it is today, with al Qaeda garnering a real chance of running the place outright. Brilliant!
Yeah, keep it up with the mindless hero worship or your boy, there.
yeah this post belongs at DailyKos
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