Polanski, NAMBLA and Checking Our Moral Compass
by J.R. HeadWhoopi Goldberg said on The View it wasn’t “rape-rape.” No, it was non-consensual anal intercourse of a child. Are we so perverted we will excuse such conduct because the perpetrator is an “artist?”
With all the unpleasantness that’s been in the news lately (ACORN, Polanski, Jaycee Lee Dugard, etc.), I was reminded of a book titled “The Last Undercover” by my friend, fellow Marine, and Big Hollywood contributor, Bob Hamer. Bob spent twenty-six years in the FBI, all as a special agent working the streets, many of those years in an undercover capacity. He was the undercover agent in twenty administratively approved operations. Some of those assignments lasted a day or two others more than three years. He played such diverse roles as a drug dealer, contract killer, international arms merchant, degenerate gambler, and white collar criminal. By his own admission his most difficult role was playing a pedophile for three years as he infiltrated the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA).
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First, let me say that “The Last Undercover” is absolutely riveting. Seeing inside an organization like NAMBLA, one that preys on children, through Bob’s eyes is enough to keep you up at night. However, as things have transpired over the last few weeks, I couldn’t help but wonder about the people on the periphery of such groups and individuals. For instance, I remembered the travel agent in Bob’s book that was more than happy to set up the NAMBLA members’ trip to have sex with children. Sure, he didn’t have sex with kids but, if he could make a few bucks off of others doing it, he was pretty okay with the idea. How about the lovely folks at ACORN? Setting up a brothel for underage prostitutes? Okay, let’s figure out the tax ramifications for such a venture. Then, of course, we have the folks that are defending the talented Mr. Polanski.
So, what is it with these people? Why the indifference to the idea of adults having sex with children? In what universe is this behavior acceptable?
I decided to talk to my buddy, Bob, to get his take on it.
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J.R. Head: Bob, you spent a lot of time and energy taking down the folks at NAMBLA. As a father, hell, as a human being, I’d like to thank you for that. Right now, though, I’m trying to look at the bigger picture. What are your thoughts about these folks on the periphery of such activity, the facilitators and enablers of sex with children?
Bob Hamer: Wow! No softball questions from you right out of the chute.
JRH: Not today.
BH: Well, I have never met a capitalist pacifist who owned gun store. I believe fundamentally, the pacifist does not want to encourage what he perceives as a potential for violence, even if it might be profitable to own a gun store. I’m a gun owner so don’t jump on me for that illustration but those I met while working undercover who helped facilitate sex with children saw nothing wrong with what they believed to be “consensual” sex with a child. In fact, most believed an “enlightened” society would see the benefits of encouraging sex between consenting individuals of any age. No one satisfactorily identified to me what those benefits were but “boy-lovers” as NAMBLA members refer to themselves often cite the ancient Greeks as an enlightened society. The travel agent had no objection to putting together overseas trips even though he claimed not to be sexually attracted to boys.
JRH: So, it was about the money?
BH: Certainly there was a profit motive for him but he saw nothing wrong with men having sex with boys and told me so. Had he found the actions abhorrent I would hope he would never facilitate such conduct.
A Chicago psychologist we arrested who had a PhD told me of seeing a five-year-old operating out of a boy-bar in Thailand. The psychologist said he did not have sex with that particular boy because the child “didn’t do anything for me, but I can’t be…a hypocrite and say, you know, ‘don’t do that…’” The psychologist told me his age of preference was “ten to twelve” and saw nothing wrong with his conduct. In fact, he bragged about his conquests.
JRH: So, in his mind, having sex with kids is okay but God forbid he gets called a hypocrite. Those are some messed up priorities, man. Give me some info on NAMBLA. What’s their story?
BH: NAMBLA was formed in 1978. Ostensibly its purpose was to abolish age-of-consent laws. As my three-year infiltration demonstrated, the organization made no effort whatsoever to change the law. Its sole purpose was to allow like-minded men, sexually attracted to boys, to legally congregate under the protection of the 1st Amendment. Even their definition of “consensual” differed from mine and I hope all of our readers. They essentially defined “consensual” as “not bringing physical harm.” I sat through a discussion where men believed it permissible to have oral sex with an eighteen-month-old boy as long as the boy wasn’t physically harmed.
JRH: You’re kidding me. How the hell do they justify that?
BH: They justified the action because a child, while exploring his own body, might like the gentle touch of fondling himself. Since the men believed they were in essence bringing pleasure to the child, their actions were permissible, even proper. When that is your worldview, when you support men who believe those actions to be proper, it is easy to justify a lot of actions the rest of society deems illegal, even evil.
Most NAMBLA members with whom I interacted believe the boy-lover philosophy will be mainstreamed within their lifetimes. I would have never thought that even remotely possible until recently.
JRH: That’s the vibe I’ve been getting lately, too. While reading “The Last Undercover,” I was filled with feelings of revulsion and anger about what these predators do. I was especially disturbed to hear how they “profile” their potential prey and engage in the “grooming” of the target and the target’s family. On the other hand, an understanding that the vast majority of people in the country would feel the same way about it comforted me. However, the Polanski situation has kind of made me reevaluate my worldview. Is the moral outrage over having sex with children eroding before our very eyes?
BH: After investigating organized crime, drugs, terrorism, and child exploitation for two and a half decades, little shocks me but I am appalled at the Roman Polanski apologists. Since when does being a “brilliant, fantastic genius” excuse anyone from heinous criminal conduct? He admitted guilt. He drugged, raped, and sodomized a thirteen-year-old girl. Are we to excuse him only because his talent brought him riches and therefore he was wealthy enough to flee punishment? Does Hollywood creativity allow one an alternative moral universe?
Whoopi Goldberg said on The View it wasn’t “rape-rape.” No, it was non-consensual anal intercourse of a child. Are we so perverted we will excuse such conduct because the perpetrator is an “artist?” How can any parent or a person with a conscience condone such behavior? Imagine the outrage of these same apologists had this been a TV evangelist or a priest.
I admire the victim who has forgiven Polanski but criminal charges are brought by the state. A criminal indictment does not read “victim vs. defendant.” It is the state or the federal government versus the accused. Society is harmed by criminal conduct. Apparently Polanski’s harm was greater than I first thought and not just to the child victim. It has infected a certain segment of society which condones the behavior and believes he should go unpunished. Read the charges! Read his admissions! He deserves to be punished.
Polanski’s status as a Holocaust survivor has been cited as a reason excusing his criminal actions. As horrible as that experience must have been I can’t help but remember another survivor, Tibor Rubin. He wanted to pay back America for liberating him from the Mauthausen concentration camp in May 1945. Rubin joined the Army, fought in Korea, and was awarded the Medal of Honor.
JRH: I’ve met Mr. Rubin. He struck me as an extremely humble and unassuming man. He has an incredible story and I encourage my readers to look him up on the web. That being said, Polanski is just one part of this. The folks at ACORN who turned a blind eye to what they believed to be a brothel for child prostitutes also bothered me. Now, I’m hearing about this Jennings fellow. Do you have any insight into that?
BH: Kevin Jennings is President Obama’s Assistant Deputy Secretary of the Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools at the U.S. Department of Education. His history and beliefs are well documented in the numerous books he has authored and edited. There is some dispute as to the legality of his conduct while working as a teacher but by Jennings’ own admission the only counseling he gave a male high school student, who admitted having sex with a man he met in a public restroom, was to use a condom. Jennings also has high praise for Harry Hay. If NAMBLA had a Hall of Fame, Hay would be a member. Hay fought for NAMBLA’s inclusion in the International Lesbian and Gay Association and once carried a sign proclaiming “NAMBLA Walks With Me.” Although Hay died before I was invited to attend any of NAMBLA’s secret, underground meetings, Hay was a featured speaker at several NAMBLA conferences and at forums on man/boy love. When members of the Administration admit to admiring a NAMBLA icon it gives me cause for concern and is at the very least a reason for further inquiry.
JRH: I agree. Do you feel like this is part of an inevitable coarsening of society in regards to the sexualization of children?
BH: What struck me about NAMBLA was how many men I encountered were high functioning members of our society…doctors, lawyers, ministers, teachers. Yet these men looked upon boys as sexual objects and had no desire to change their behavior. In the case of Polanski, “artists” are apologists for child rape. As to ACORN, let me say I have the highest regard for the work of James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles. The ACORN tapes reinforce the idea that a segment of this society is unable to discern evil. How can you label oral sex on infants or rape of a thirteen-year-old girl or promoting childhood prostitution as anything but evil? We as a society must remain vigilant and maintain our moral compass. I fear too many have lost theirs or never had one.
JRH: I fear you may be right. Thank you, Bob, for your service, your courage and for taking some time to talk with me, today.






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It's obvious that, in order for Polanski to read his Moral Compass, he has to pull it out of his azz first. That guarantees a crappy reading. Also, the interview gives "Jerk-Off" a new meaning. I didn't think that was possible.
Moral relativism has replaced the notion of right and wrong. Our children have been brainwashed in this philosophy for the last 30 years. The knuckleheaded philosophy that "tolerance" means NO discernment or common sense, is wrong-headed, destructive and objectively evil. A life of perpetual adolescence, wishful thinking, and actions without consequences is a formula for the collapse of civilization. Wake up you morons. Your politicians are gangsters; your scientists are on the "global warming" payroll, and your acquiescence to any and every perversion is despicable. Animals and trees are accorded greater respect than human beings. You've all lost your minds!!
You are exactly right. Once society started to adopt the post-modernist outlook then good and evil became uncertain, negotiable and up for interpretation. Who is anyone to say what is good and what is evil? The standard now is if it feels good to ME, regardless of what it does to others, then it must be good and right. Taking it even further, if it is done by the elites, whether political, financial, athletic or artistic then we plebians have to realize that we can't understand how their genius demands that we grant them the right to do whatever we want.
What this highlights is that it is vital that we stand up for what is good, right and noble, no matter the consequence. We also must make every effort to teach this to our children and to convince those around us that these things are worth fighting for.
Bob Hamer is right to bring up the issue of Kevin Jennings as Obama's Safe Schools Czar. Jennings praised Harry Hay and Harry Hay was quite active with NAMBLA. And Jennings repeatedly bragged about how he handles the man-boy sex issue. He seemed to see no problem with the adult man having sex with the student except venereal disease concerns. Jennings did not report the statutory rape to authorities. Jennings idea of safe schools seems to be making them safe for man- boy sex..
Firstly, that was an awesome interview. Thank you for sharing that.
Secondly I think it's important to realize there are still plenty of people that are willing to speak out against evil.
Plenty of people think that the facilitation of child prostitutes, and organizations such as the North American Man-Boy Love Association have immense destructive ramifications not just to the victims, but as a society as a whole. The amount of attention and outrage these stories and brought out is a testament that we still recognize the wrongness of these actions. The fringe will tell half-truths and cite distorted studies to attempt to justify their actions, but most of us still know the difference between wrong and right.
God help us if that ever changes.
Well said. I would only add that the corollary that's often added to the self-centered standard, "if it feels good to me," is the errant notion that "it's ok if noone is harmed". The falacious notion of "harm" as the standard of right and wrong, completely misdirects the argument. There are numerous things that are objectively evil, that do not harm others; essentially things that harm oneself. The moral relativist notion that the individual is the arbiter of right or wrong, permits each individual to gloss over objectively evil behavior, precisely because they believe it is their prerogative to determine what is right and wrong. For those with a rudimentary awareness of biblical teaching, that notion, (the knowledge to determine good and evil) is the essence of original sin, which not coincidentally, is the foundational evil of moral relativism.
I cannot help but be strongly disturbed by the rationalizations from those who have too quickly engaged in moral relativism, diminishing the potency of right and wrong. There is good and evil in this world and the BANALITY OF EVIL remains just as frightening, if not more so due to its passivity.
Thank you for introducing this thread, expanding upon the already powerful message to maintain the moral compass of our culture. I found it very informative and helpful in reminding us that, we, as individuals, must hold fast to the notion of good vs. evil, right vs. wrong and learn better to see the difference. There is no excuse when one commits a wrongful act or associates with a person or group engaging in a wrongful act. Regardless of the situation, we are all responsible for our community and its well being. Even if we lose our moral compass, we still have the stars at night to guide us home. Hopefully, it won't come to that.
Thanks for the informative and well-written article. Thank you, Bob for your noble service in investigating these horrible people. It is disgusting beyond belief, but most of us have seen other evidence before this article. There was a television program about Americans going overseas to have sex with young children, and the perp who disgusted me most was an American doctor.
As for vigilance, I need no prompting. If I ever see someone attempting to entice or harm a child, that sonofabitch has just bought himself a bad day.
This story really makes me want to bring back child rape as a capital offense.
Thanking the interviewee as the first item on the agenda, and then asking a "what are your thoughts" question actually is the definition of softball. The rest of the interview may have been fine, but I couldn't keep reading after the first question, so I'll never know. That the interviewer is head over heals enamored with the subject does not help the interview.
Please someone get some real writers in here.
I think that we are worse than Sodom and Gomorrah. I did not think that would ever be possible. In my wildest imagination I would never of thought that I would live in a society that would condone a man like Polanski and let an organization like NAMBLA even exist.
If we cannot even protect the most innocents of society, what are we to do?
I like good writing as much as the next guy. In fact, I'm a pretty fair writer, myself. But that one little thing (about which you're right) was no good reason to skip the rest of it. I accept that not all writers are created equal, even from one professional writer to the next. Most of the articles at this site are about getting information to us, not creating enduring literary works.
This was by far NOT the worst example of writing at this site. In fact, I thought it was more than decent, overall.
As a graduate in criminology, we learned that pedophiles develop with the same progression as homosexuals. Both start to manifest at adolescence. I thought 12 years ago when learning about sexual deviants that we would begin to see pedophilia creep into society's acceptability range the same way that homosexuality did.
Exactly what is happening now, with the help of the hollywood elite.
A real writer would've typed "head over heels," not "head over heals."
Thank you, Bob Hamer, for your service.
Lombard placing his 5 years old, adopted son for sale & sex on the Internet – the most, blindingly under-reported story of this year.
Media keeps a complete lid over stories that might be damaging for the enlightened class – the Lombard story was in the news only for one day, then it was removed with Orwellian effiency.
The moral relativism has placed everything on the same level – so no wonder that no one has an objection when a creep like Kevin Jannings presents heterosexuality as an inculcated trait, and homosexuality as norm.
And back to the Duke U, Lombard case of pedophilia – the fact that Lombard lived for years (???) in a "loving & committed partnership" with another guy has completely trumped the dimension of his "indiscretion".
By the way, Lombard used to teach "Health Care Oppression" there – I am surprised that he hadn't made it for Obama's smogasboard of activistic diversity in the WH.
"pitied instead of reviled" – I remember some years ago a group improv thing in Los Angeles, where the conceit was of a support group & someone confessing something horrible. The best of all was a guy who went: ""… well, I actually am a serial killer…" – and group rapidly picked it up, compassionately : "Oh, Larry! But you can't get a grip of this?" (Maybe a riff on "High Anxiety"?)
If theres any crime that ranks above terrorism, it's what these scumbags believe. I cannot believe anyone with a brain could find this even amusing. Thanks Bob for routing out these pricks. There should be a special brand of torture for the guilty.
to view a partial list of crimes committed by FBI agents over 1500 pages long see
http://www.forums.signonsandiego.com/showthread.p...
to view a partial list of FBI agents arrested for pedophilia see
http://www.dallasnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=...
J.R. – Thank you for such an excellent article/interview. Bob – You are an American Hero and I totally agree with J.R. that your book, THE LAST UNDERCOVER is Riveting! Thank you for your service to our Country and for shedding a bright light on this Evil in our society.
It IS an uncomfortable subject and so many people would rather not speak of it… but not exposing those that are so twisted in their thoughts and deeds, will only perpetuate their actions further. We need to shine a search light… a beacon… a spotlight with the power of the sun on these topics…. for where there is light… there can be no darkness. These criminals are seeking their own "illumination" by hiding behind the first amendment and slowly trying to force the rest of society to agree that it is ok, natural, acceptable… dare I say "politically correct" to allow this behavior. I am outraged that ANYONE could justify the actions of these pedophiles… Polanski included.
Shed the light… spread the word… we will NOT allow this as "acceptable" behavior in society. I don't care if you are "King of the WORLD famous"… you are not above the law. And, rape is rape… not rape-rape. What the hell does that mean? Sorry, I'm mad, outraged, just livid that our moral compass seems to be headed in a downward spiral… we must stand up for what is good, and pure, and honest, and right, and edifying to our lives and future generations. We must label Evil as EVIL and not bow to the pressures of those complacent, placating, mamby pamby, Hollywood Celebutons who so freely dismiss such reprehensible and inexcusable behavior.
Send Polanski to jail. Abolish ACORN. Prosecute NAMBLA members and dismantle the organization. Force Jennings to resign or FIRE him. Protect our values, morals, children, future…. time is of the essence… we must use our voices and take action… Wake up America – enough is enough!!!
And you feel a need to defend NAMBLA by attacking the FBI because… ?
wow. the Hollywood crowd seems to be lining up in perfect alignment in protecting child rapists, and NAMBLA perverts. It's unbelievable how tone deaf they are to the concerns of the American people, who are screaming for greater protection for their children from these type of predators…Maybe it's time we hit them where it hurts…Their pocket books. Maybe it's time to began a nation wide protest of their movies and other endeavors…http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/
I know.
After the shameless defense of Polanski, Gov. Jindal (Louisiana) wanting the death penalty for child rape makes even more sense. Yet, the Supreme Court ruled against a case that would have allowed just such a penalty.
I'm equally angry that the MSM (Old Media) put political correctness over reporting Lombard's vile crime. It would have been buried completely is not for blogs like American Thinker:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/06/media...
Lombard is just the tip of the iceberg. Here is a recent case of a former District teacher convicted of raping a male student:
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/20909063/detail.html
Add in "safe school" czar Kevin "NAMBLA Lover" Jennings, and we have pedophilia running rampant in US public and higher education.
Thanks for the great insight into an organization and a lifestyle that so few Americans are aware of. The reason that Kevin Jennings is so dangerous is that he's promoting the sexualization of very young children in our schools. Getting him out of the WH is a start, but his kind of propaganda needs to be removed from the public schools. I live in a small town in SC. A few yrs ago, the Blue Jean Girls (I think that's the name) offered to give a free concert for the local high school. The school agreed. Then BJG said they wanted to do it DURING school hrs and that they would discuss "alternative lifestyles."
(continuation of previous post) So the principal had to turn it down for 2 reasons: (1) there was no way to take several hrs of class time out of the schedule and (2) he disagreed with their discussion of alternative lifestyles. So, the principal had been set up to look like a gay-basher. When he first agreed to a free concert, that didn't create a crisis, so BJG went to the next step and made it an issue. That principal had to withstand a couple of years of persecution by the media. He eventually retired, but he had the support of the community. This is one example of what people like Jennings do. They are conscienceless, so they r not trying to protect our children by any stretch of the imagination.
I'd like to know why groups like NAMBLA are even ALLOWED to exist. I mean shouldn't the authorities do a raid on their establishment or something, we all know that what they advocate is sick and immoral and ILLEGAL.
There are plenty of organizations demanding Jennings leave yesterday:
*AFA
http://www.capwiz.com/afanet/issues/alert/?alerti...
*Family Research Council:
http://www.frc.org/contact-your-state-board-of-ed...
*Focus on the Family:
http://www.citizenlink.org/jennings/
So, make your voice heard through the above resources and then forward them to others.
Jennings is overdue for the Van Jones treatment (i.e., resignation).
Pull and Shoot.
Not Over.
[...] With all the unpleasantness that’s been in the news lately (ACORN, Polanski, Jaycee Lee Dugard, etc.), I was reminded of a book titled “The Last Undercover” by my friend, fellow Marine, and Big Hollywood contributor, Bob Hamer. Bob spent twenty-six years in the FBI, all as a special agent working the streets, many of those years in an undercover capacity. He was the undercover agent in twenty administratively approved operations. Some of those assignments laRead more at http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jrhead/2009/10/08/polanski-nambla-and-time-to-check-our-moral-comp... [...]
I don't like NAMBLA because they sexually assault little boys.
I don't like the FBI because they exterminate little boys. And others, with their Einsatzgruppen ( so called Hostage 'Rescue' Teams) vide Waco, Ruby Ridge, and who knows what else.
Woe. Man, that's an intense read.
Several years ago, my family was starting to become members of our Catholic parish community. My wife was even head of religious education (basically because no one else would). And then the priest scandal broke.
While no priest or religious person I've ever met has been accused publicly of any child abuse, I understand exactly the idea that when we deal with people in social settings, no matter how normal they may seem, they could be animals. The local diocese instituted a really intense awareness program, and requires anyone, dealing with children through the Church, in any way, to take it. My wife did and it freaked her out, it was that intense. Dealing not only with the damage done to innocent children, but also how to recognize when some one you think you know, is some one you really don't know. And why you have a duty to report them.
I agree, it's a question of recognizing evil among us.
For some reason a segment of our society has adopted the belief that if you are born with a penchant for little boys, you are to be pitied, not reviled. If it is the way you are, then how can that be wrong? Well, I have news for the utopian, child molester apologists, this aberrant behavior is not right, you should not condone it, and you should not explain it away. I have no patience for people like this, nor will I ever take you seriously in anything you say. You are damaged goods as far as I see it and you are beneath me to even speak to. I can barely type this I am so angry at this twisted, evil group who feigns legitimacy by claiming a cause I hope will not only never happen, but that these perverted pieces of $h!t will pay for what they do to the members of our society we have an obligation to protect. F-ck NAMBLA!!!
First of all, it WASN'T statutory rape because the age of consent was (and still is) 16 in Massachusetts where this whole misunderstanding occurred. Can we at least get the truth on that, please?
I can't go that far because we're talking about the difference between raping or molesting several innocent children and the mass murdering of hundreds or thousands of innocent people. As bad as that is, at least the child can live. The dead can't be brought back to life no matter what.
Can we at least stop lying about Ken Jennings having allegedly covered up statutory rape? The boy in question was 16 years old, and since the age of consent in Massachusetts was (and still is) 16, no crime was committed or covered up. All this proves to me is the same kind of propaganda perpetuated by the left against President Bush's administration is now being done by the right against President Obama's administration, and I'm sick of it.
Ya got a heart o' gold and an Iron Stomach Bob!
Wow. This new progressive society in power right now is like the entire ward in One flew over the cuckoo's nest. It's beyond bizzare – It's time to net them all in, and lock them back in their nicely padded ward.
Well, damn, Lawrence. Your idea of 'truth' is to say that an adult having unprotected sex with a minor is a 'MISUNDERSTANDING'????
Gee, Lawrence – why didn't you just say it was 'not a rape rape'? Or did you think you'd have to pay Whoopie a royalty and you didn't want to because you were too cheap?
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Yup, Lawrence – you picked the right word – 'sick'. But it applies to you, ole buddy. Yup, scream and throw your little hissy fits all you want – but your labeling our outrage over an adult having unprotected sex with a minor as 'some kind of propaganda' merely displays YOU as sick. Face it, there is nothing sicker than a troll like you who infects this site merely to put in a good word for the dirty old men who prey on children.
Mr. Hamer – my admiration and respect for you is limitless. Thank you so much for all you have done – and thank you for informing us what kind of people make up perverts out there. They're all kinds. And the deadliest in my opinion are the enablers. They're everywhere – as is sadly proven on this very site by 'Lawrence' who already twice has tried desperately to pull a Whoopie in defending these dirty old men.
Then why did Jennings himself lie and say it was a 15 yr old? It would seem either that it was a 15 yr old and he committed a criminal offense by not reporting it or… it was a 16 yr old and he wants to normalize child sex by making the age younger. How many years did that lie sit there unchallenged either way? I would be willing to be the rent money that there is a NAMBLA card with his name on it somewhere.
And yet one still is not allowed to call Ms. Goldberg, nor ACORN, nor Mr. Obama what they really are lest one's post be deleted. Ah well, the Head Nanny What's In Charge has now won the Nobel Peace Prize. I guess that says something about something…
You sound like the kind of pervert these gentlemen are describing…
Can't take the heat, so you dismiss the writers as unprofessional…
I hope someone from the FBI is listening in on you RIGHT NOW…
I'd volunteer for that job…
NO ONE in the FBI sought out to destroy people in Waco or Ruby Ridge; what you are conveniently leaving out is they were TARGETED against those people by the political authority…the Administrations that sent them out there…
Put the blame where it belongs…
Typical tu quoque argument…
Stop trying to deflect criticism of despicable acts by blaming someone else, pinhead…
People like NAMBLA and their apologists are what the M24-A2 was designed for…
"…in certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue…natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment."
Frank Castle, The Punisher
So, you don't like it too much when someone kicks over your sandcastle, do you?
Good.
Peace?
It needs to be re-named the "Nobel Piece Prize".
And people want me to take Europeans seriously? And be more like them?
Riiiiiggggghhhhhhttttttttttt………..
Geez, what a messy topic.
Child rape is tragic. And, despite having had a very positive (sexual) relationship with an adult when I was a young teen, I think that in today's society it is a Very Bad Idea to engage in intergenerational love affairs.
That said … there also needs to be a little less fear and a little more rationality coming into the discussion. If for no other reason that to focus law enforcement resources on the highest-risk situations.
For starters, there is a difference between a child rapist and someone who feels romantically attracted to children/youth. A child rapist has committed an act of forcible sex. It is all about the rapist's pleasure. No one can even try to argue that it was an inappropriate/misguided attempt at expressing love. Rape is rape, no matter what Whoopi says.
There is for sure a very wide stripe of grey that involves the conscious/unconscious "grooming" of a youth by the adult. Depending on the individual, it may have different degrees of calculation. An adult infatuated with the 12 yo neighbour boy, for example, might shower him with gifts for no other reason that to channel his affections. Is this grooming? Tough to say. The end result is the same (closer relationship with the youth, a sense of 'indebtedness'), but the original motivator is different. Others are far more selfish and calculating in their actions, carefully staging "accidental" situations that manipulate, even create, realities.
There are also distinctions to be made between those who feel attracted to pre-pubescent and post-pubescent youth.
A case can be made for the biological (if not the psychological) attraction to post-pubescent youth. Society itself is unsure how to handle this particular slice of attraction (how many dads get a kick out of watching high school cheerleaders, for example?). While the social context usually means it is difficult, if not psychologically harmful, to actually engage in a romantic/sexual relationship, the underlying attraction is biological. And it goes both ways … how many anecdotes can we all recite of middle-school/high-school kids pursuing relationships with older people? This even popped up in the Brady Bunch and the movie Weird Science, just to name two examples.
Pre-pubescent children are in a completely different phase of sexual development. An intergenerational romance is beyond their comprehension. Biology has made pre-pubescent people androgynous to signal that they are not ready for "mating". Simple as that. Cut and dry.
OK, so there's a difference in the nature of the motivation (rape/dominance vs. a belief of love) and there is a difference between pre- and post-pubescent attraction … and then there's a difference between internalised and externalised tendencies. And this is where today's society is playing with fire.
Inappropriate desires and fantasies are as common as crabgrass. A pattern of attraction, even a lifelong one, does not necessarily mean that the individual will act on it. Since the data we have that even comes close to being reliable is heavily based on convicted offenders, we cannot accept it as representative of society as a whole. A still-wobbly, but interesting ratio can be extracted by comparing the number of people accessing child pornography to the number of child sex abuse claims. Granted, accessing kiddie porn is already a step towards action, but it is arguably more passive.
The UN claims that at any given moment, 750,000 sexual predators are online looking for kids. If we just take that at face value, it's more than the population of Pittsburgh. And if they were really hell-bent on getting their rocks off, that would be almost a million kids getting abused! Yet that's not happening, is it? So obviously a good number of people are able to keep their desires from turning into action.
And yet it is still less than .04% of the estimated number of daily internet users. Hmm. One could come up with any number of more pressing threats to our well-being.
So before you let your fear of Big Dan taking Little Johnny away for a romantic weekend in the mountains cloud your rational judgement, consider what kind of a precedent you want to set for future generations. Do you want to paint everyone with the same brush? To "do a Guantanamo" on anyone who so much as looks at a 13 yo in tight jeans? To repeat the mistakes of the War on Drugs and fill the prisons to such capacity with minor offenses that there's no more room for serious offenders? Does a sex offender registry actually encourage recidivism by creating an expectation they can live down to? If your life is already ruined, and you're continually punished for being one of "them", what incentive do you have to control your behaviour?
Yes, rape is inexcusable. And yes, sexual attraction to youth is not an easy subject. But we will never actually come to a workable solution if fear blinds us from being rational in our decision making.
And Polanski deserves to go to jail for a very, very long time.
[...] read this interview of Bob Hamer, the undercover FBI agent featured in the video, especially this part; If NAMBLA had a [...]
All this proves to me is the same kind of propaganda perpetuated by the left against President Bush's administration is now being done by the right against President Obama's administration, and I'm sick of it.
So you are saying that turn about is not fair play. So was the first part ok and the second sick?
I live here in LA LA Land and even here sex between an adult and a 16 year old high school sophomore is a crime. Makes me wonder about what is going on in Mass and the North East.
i can only hope j.r. is a freshman in high school . next interview please withold gratuitous fawning and uninvited opinioneering…
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The problem here is Henry Hay only defended NAMBLA's first amendment rights and defended teenage sex and this took place only much latter in his life. The attempt to connect Jennings to NAMBLA is like trying to connect Michael Jackson fans to pedophilia.
So Jennings' high praise of Harry Hay the NAMBLA promoter is okey-dokey with you? How about his connection to the "fistgate" scandal? http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/fistgat...
Thank you so much for this piece. I now have a new favorite blog, yours, and a new favorite author, Bob Hamer. I posted about Polanski just recently and included a portion of this piece, quoted with a link to this article. Thank you for standing up for children. Regardless of how many people out there against CSA, too little actually speak out against it. Thank you for not keeping silent!
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