Part II: “Che:” Bad Movie About A Bad Guy Gets Worse
by Joe Lima“How I would like to rise to power just to unmask cowards and lackeys of every sort and squash their snouts in their own filth.”
Che Guevara, Bolivia, September 8, 1967.
“No rapport had been established with the locals…” Anderson, p. 722
As I said in part one of my review of Soderbergh’s “Che,” The film gives us no idea of what happened after the Cuban Revolutionary government took power. Quite a lot did happen. We all know about the Bay of Pigs invasion, which deserves its own four-hour movie, hopefully directed by someone other than Soderbergh. We also all know that hundreds of thousands of people left Cuba in the early 1960s. People have never stopped leaving.
What’s less known to outsiders is that under Castro’s command, the Cuban Revolution began, very early on, to eat its own. The highest rank in the Revolutionary army was then the rank of “Comandante.” Here’s what happened to a few Revolutionary Comandantes: In October 1959, Comandante Huber Matos, who is omitted from this film, criticizes the influence of Communists in the Revolutionary Government, and tenders his resignation. He is arrested, and serves twenty years in prison, during which time he endures severe torture. The dashing Comandante Camilo Cienfuegos is killed in an airplane crash within a week of the arrest of Huber Matos. The wreckage has never been found. Matos, who along with Camilo flanks Fidel in the famous photographs of Fidel’s entry into Havana, is among many who have never accepted the plane crash story. In March of 1961, Comandante William Morgan, of Cleveland, Ohio, also omitted from this film, is arrested and executed.
Revolutionaries were now being eliminated as well, not just Batistianos. In this dangerous atmosphere of Revolutionary cannibalism, Che recklessly blasted the Soviet Union in a speech in Algiers in 1965. Guevara was famously an admirer of Mao; Fidel in those days was firmly in the Soviet column, and with good reason: the Soviets were pumping massive amounts of capital into Cuba. In Cuba, when you disagree with Fidel, guess who wins? Che’s attack on the absolutely vital Soviet Sugar Daddy was nothing short of foolish.
Without knowledge of these important events, largely omitted from the film, one simply cannot observe Guevara’s Bolivian debacle from an informed perspective.
Furthermore, we have to understand that the Cuban Revolution has always lied, beginning in the fifties with the notorious “we are not communists” (and yes, even Guevara told this whopper, telling Abuelo, my grandfather, that he believed in democracy, and that there would be elections within six months of the overthrow of Batista) all the way through to 2006’s “Raul will be temporarily in charge.” The official account, which this movie rehashes, of the Bolivian campaign, is therefore suspect.
However, a sliver of truth does manage to peek through the darkness of disinformation in a scene in which Guevara, asthmatic, undernourished, gaining no traction in his insurgency against the Bolivian government and unable to make his horse move another inch, slides off of the poor creature and begins stabbing her. (This event, by the way, apparently really happened). Some in the audience moaned empathetically, as if the whole thing was so, so sad: first, el Vaquerito, now the horse! Yes, the incident is sad, but it’s not merely sad. It’s abnormal, terrifying. What kind of sadist stabs a horse just because he can’t make it walk? The answer is this: the same kind of sadist that presides over a gulag in which executions are carried out with dreadful, cold efficiency.
And Che did preside over a gulag. He was the first Revolutionary Comandante in charge of La Cabaña fortress, the old Spanish fort that became ground zero in the Cuban gulag archipelago. My father was home from college for the Christmas holidays of 1958-59, and he, a friend and Abuelo visited Che Guevara at La Cabaña on or before January 5th, 1959. As they were driven to Guevara’s office, Dad heard multiple volleys of rifle fire. Wondering why rifles were being fired, when after all the war was over, Dad asked a Captain Sanchez, who was driving them to the main barracks where Guevara had his office, “Captain, what are those shots?” Sanchez replied, “Ah, we’re shooting those sons of bitches,” meaning officers and soldiers of Batista’s army. Che had taken charge of La Cabaña on January 3rd. Again, hardly time for due process. Before long, the prison cells of La Cabaña began to fill not with Batistianos, but with former comrades of Fidel and Che. My cousin, Oscar Plá began his odyssey through the Cuban gulag at the age of 15, in October of 1961, and finally emerged for good at the age of 33; his initial incarceration was in La Cabaña. Oscar knew no fewer than eight Revolutionary Comandantes in La Cabaña.
In prison Oscar got to know several people who had direct contact with el Che. Two, Bernardo Paradela, and Raul Venta del Mazo, both veterans of the struggle against Batista who later turned against the Revolution, were hung upside down for over a month and interrogated. Guevara came to taunt them every single day of their ordeal. Oscar gave me the name of another man whom he had met in Gallery Seven of La Cabaña, a man who had been a Revolutionary Postal Service bureaucrat with whom Guevara had quarreled, then personally sentenced to torture. This poor wretch had lost fifty pounds in 30 days; he was never well liked by the other prisoners because even as a political prisoner he remained a committed ideological communist. The man was released only after Guevara was killed in Bolivia. This fellow is apparently still in Cuba; I have found a phone number for the man, which I am not going to call. Nor am I going to print his name. These are just three men; according to Sociologist Juan Clark, the population of political prisoners in Cuba in the 1960s swelled to 60,000, among them, women and children.
This is why the most jarringly false moment in the film comes in the first half when someone mentions Stalinists in the Cuban Communist Party. Guevara asks, “Stalinists?” as if to say subtextually, “Hold on here, there are Stalinists in this movement? Listen buddy, I ain’t down with no Stalinists.” This is an absolute howler, inanity of a very low order. Che Guevara was in fact the most Stalinist of all the early Revolutionary Comandantes, with the exception of Raul Castro himself. There is a reason why Guevara was put in charge of La Cabaña, and not Camilo, or Huber Matos. But there’s no room for this ugly reality in Soderbergh’s film about Guevara, whom we are led to believe was kind as Saint Francis of Assisi. But back to Bolivia.
Cinematically speaking, the problem with the Bolivian portion of the film is that there is simply not two hours of movie to be squeezed from this disaster. If the first two hours of the film are boring, the second two are stuporific.
Historically speaking, Guevara’s attempt to incite an insurrection among the Indigenous people of the Ñancahuazú region could never have succeeded. Many of these people didn’t speak Spanish, and the Cuban guerrillas did not speak the Guaraní dialect of the region. One can only imagine what the Indigenous Bolivians thought of the loud, smelly, bearded foreigners who suddenly appeared in their midst: “Saludos, comrades, we’re here to liberate you. Do you have anything to eat? Listen, don’t tell anyone you saw us, or we’ll kill you. By the way, I am not Che Guevara. What’s that? Oh, you don’t speak Spanish?”
Things deteriorated from there. No less than the now-exiled Dariel Alarcon, codenamed “Benigno” in Bolivia, and one of only three survivors of the expedition, today believes that Fidel set Che and the rest of his guerrillas up for failure, and death. He also has interesting things to say about the death of Camilo Cienfuegos.*
The grim photos of Guevara’s emaciated corpse stretched out in a washbasin lead one to wonder how long would it have taken for Guevara to simply starve in Bolivia. Contrast that with the pictures of the happy, healthy guerrillas who rolled into Havana in January of 1959. Photos of Fidel in particular are hilarious. He’s a good 60 pounds overweight. Whatever “the Cuban experience” as Guevara referred to the guerrilla war of 1956-1959 was, it was nothing like Bolivia, and Guevara’s experiences in Cuba in no way prepared him for what he encountered in South America.
At the end of the film, a Bolivian soldier asks Guevara if there was religion in Cuba. Guevara answers that yes, there are many religions in Cuba. Guevara’s answer here is, ahem, incomplete, and I wish to address this issue. Apparently, the Bolivian government and military had told the peasantry, and the soldiers, that under a Cuban-style regime, the Bolivian people would not be free to practice their religion. Soderbergh would have us believe that this is some vile calumny against the Cuban Revolution. In fact, religious persecution in Cuba at the time was a terrifying reality. From training fire hoses on a group of twelve to fourteen year old girls on their way into the Church of La Caridad del Cobre, a place sacred to Cubans since the 1600s, to teach Catechism class (this happened to my cousin Oscar’s wife, Miriam) to the internment of thousands in the UMAP camps of 1965 – 1968, where Jehova’s Witnesses in particular had it very rough, tortured with fire ants until they renounced their faith, religion was under fire in Cuba.
A more honest answer from Che would have been, “yes, there is religion in Cuba, but we’re doing everything we can to get rid of it.” The Bolivians had every right to fear for their religion, and their culture, under a Cuban-type regime.
At the end of the film, the Bolivians treat Che Guevara to exactly the same justice that the real Ernesto Guevara gave to Villaya, almost eight years earlier. Not exactly a miscarriage of justice.
I have just one more thing I’d like to say about Mr. Soderbergh and Mr. Del Toro. I don’t mean this maliciously, as I think that the experience would be very good for the emotional, intellectual and artistic growth of these two men. I wish that Mr. Soderbergh and Mr. Del Toro could live in Cuba, not as the pampered VIPs that they are when they visit today, but as Cubans do, with no United States Constitutional rights, with ration cards entitling them to tiny portions of provisions that the stores don’t even stock anyway, with chivatos surveilling them constantly. How long would it be before Mr. Soderbergh started sizing up inner tubes, speculating on the durability and buoyancy of them, asking himself, could I make the crossing on that? How long before Mr. Del Toro started gazing soulfully at divorced or widowed tourist women, hoping to seduce and marry one of them and get out? Only then could they see why this insipid, frivolous and pretentious movie they have made is nothing less than an insult to millions of people, who really do live like that, and who’ve lived like that their entire lives.
Maybe then, they could put their considerable talents into making a Cuba movie worth watching.
The world so needs to take off those dumb Che t-shirts, and grow up. We face serious problems, and totalitarianism isn’t a solution to any of them, even when it’s dressed up in a beret and given a wispy beard, flowing locks and a surly stare, and looks really, really cool.
By the fall of 1960 my father had changed his mind about Castro. My uncles Jorge and Ricardo came to the States in September 1961, Abuelo and Abuela got out in November. They all moved into a small house on North Street in Baton Rouge. Dad started his own consulting firm. Jorge went to work at a department store in Baton Rouge called Godchaux’s, Ricardo graduated from Baton Rouge High, and they both went on to LSU. All three of the Lima boys became not only Americans, but full-on gumbo-eating Louisianans who married and had families and successful businesses of their own. Dad married a woman with deep roots in South Louisiana, and together they raised a family of four children, of which I am the first. Dad says, “your mother is fixin’ to make some jambalaya” with a Cuban accent. Mom learned to cook black beans so tasty that Cuban-born women ask for her recipe. Nowhere but in America do cultures collide so deliciously. Abuelo was too much of a fighter to be anything other than a cheerful man; he was not a bitter man, but all his life he felt betrayed by the Revolution, which had promised free elections and a return to the Constitution of 1940.
Abuela to her last day hated beards on men.
I was out for a walk in the cool of a Southern California evening with my soon-to-be-three-year-old daughter, the great-grandchild of José Francisco Lima, and the calamitous events of now more than fifty years ago, that so shaped who I am today came into my head. How fortunate we are to be able to walk down the street and talk to each other without having to worry about being overheard by a snitch, without having to show up at public demonstrations and pantomime a revolutionary ardor that after more than half a century, nobody really feels anymore. How fortunate we are to be free of the caprices of angry, vain men who think that they are entitled to shoot people and confiscate their property. How fortunate we are, to have been born in a country where freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the right to due process are assured all of us thanks to the United States Constitution.
We didn’t have to build a raft and brave the Gulf of Mexico to get here. We lucked out: we were born here. We won the lottery. I certainly didn’t deserve to. Nobody can possibly deserve to. All we can do is thank God for it, and try to be worthy of it, by living a good life. Gratitude. Gratitude to be a free man, married to a lovely free woman, who has given me a beautiful daughter, who will grow up in a free country. Gratitude is what the Cuban experience taught me. I have a deep sense of how fortunate we as Americans are because I am just one generation removed from firing squads and re-education camps. And for creating that nightmare world of totalitarian Cuba, which I remember with a shudder even though I was spared the experience firsthand, I must credit Fidel Castro, Raul Castro, and Ernesto Guevara Serna, “el Che.”
*The Complete Bolivian Diaries of Che Guevara, Daniel James, 1968, Stein & Day
**If you speak Spanish and want to hear what Dariel Alarcon aka Benigno has to say, I urge you to watch the following video:
***If you would like to read more about political prisoners and human rights abuses in Cuba, I direct you to Armando Valladares’ “Against All Hope,” “Contra Toda Esperanza” in Spanish.









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I could never go to one of these socialist-revolutionary worshiping moves, and the thought of Che as a glamorous hero worthy of emulation about makes me want to throw up.
Growing up, I knew personally too many people who ran away from Communism to really see the concept as a good thing. And after 1975, I spent two years as a volunteer, helping to resettle Vietnamese refugees. Most of them who came out in ‘75 after the fall of Saigon were decent, hard-working people. They were afraid, and rightfully so – of being massacred as were the people in Hue during the Tet offensive. They came out in droves, in boats overloaded to the sinking point. On the day that Saigon fell, there were so many helicopters full of fleeing Viet refugees converging on the USS Hancock that they had to dump the empty helicopters overboard to make room for others to land.
No, I’ll never go to another communist-worshiping move. Seeing Reds was bad enough.
Excellent essay, Joe! A must-read to anyone interested not only on Hollywood and movies, but on Cuban history.
Bolivia? You’re kidding, right?
Those guys didn’t even like Robert Redford and Paul Newman.
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I watched it again and was struck by the fact that Che forbid his troops from touching the peasants food. Do Communists respect private property? Especially food.
That’s just one example. The movies are based on Che’s journals. It reminds me of that Dave Chappel skit where he writes his own biographical movie.
It baffles me the people the left choose to worship. This man went to farms and executed families that did not join the guerrillas. When cornered, he surrendered and shouted “I’m Che’, I’m worth more to you alive!” Even their hero Kennedy praised him until Cuba cut economic ties with the US. He even planned to blow up buildings in NY when visiting the “intellectuals” at their lavish parties they threw for him. Will the movie include how the butcher sold the blood of political prisoners? Some people just can’t handle all the freedom we have in the US and must find something wrong with it so they can feel guilty.
Both parts of this article are extremely informative and reveal aspects of recent and local history that I have never really thought much about. I appreciate the author’s thoughtfulness and willingness to push in behind what looks “very, very cool” into the black heart of of leftist ideology. Too often celebrity trumps morality and intelligence in our culture and it is nice to know that there are members of the media out there who are willing to call evil just that, no matter how whispy it’s beard or surly it’s glare.
Wow, the last few paragraphs gave me chills. Now that is a story I would pay good money to see on the big screen. It would be phenomenal.
Guevara was “The Bull” to Castro’s “Teflon Don”, a bullied and sadistic child of moderate privilege who found an outlet for his sadism while serving as the lickspittle of a greater man than himself. Making a four hour flick about this killer is akin to carving an intricate statue out of dried fecal material. One can marvel at the artistry exhibited in such an objects creation, but at the end of the day all you’ve really got is a glorified pile of crap.
Bravo. And bravo to Breitbart for providing a national forum for this.
A close friend of mine from college, now a famous re-recording engineer in LA (I’ll be you know him, Joe) – is the son of a 1959 Cuban exile who was a strong opponent of Castro during the revolution. I have never had any illusions or delusions about Che, I’m glad to say, but some of the stories I’ve heard and read. Sheesh.
A Che t-shirt is similar to a handicapped sticker, only the latter will elicit some sympathy from me.
“Some people just can’t handle all the freedom we have in the US and must find something wrong with it so they can feel guilty.”
The word is “superior.” It takes a lot of imagination and a lot of discarded facts to get there but apparently they feel the pearl is worth the price.
My first father-in-law fled Cuba in the 60’s after an extended stay in El Morro Prison for his ideological impurities. One of the best men you could hope to meet. He always gracious but has no kind words for leftism in any of its forms. He’s already seen the answers in the back of their book.
A very fine essay, Mr. Lima.
google “the real cuba”
Movies with this distortion are so dangerous to young minds. The world needs more movies depicting real heroes like our soldiers today fighting terror.
This is what makes Hollywood (and academia) liberalism detestable.
It would be one thing for them to pick apart American icons and society, pointing out the human weaknesses of our forefathers and the social ills of our “so called” democracy.
But why does this other shoe so often drop with these very same people?
Why can they so easily see the blots on even our most revered American leaders, or so quick to condemn contemporary ones using even the strongest rhetoric (like labeling them Nazi-wannabees), when they are just as quick to fly down to pay homage to the likes of Chavez and Castro or make big movies about the likes of Che?
Why do you find both these cards being played by the same person so often in Hollywood and higher education?
(At some point, someone might start tracing back ideologies — and wondering why the lessons of the end of the Cold War didn’t teach these idiots anything….)
Fabulous piece!!
One thing great about the great threads on the immoral movie on Ernie, few if any commie trolls and their soft-lefty dupes defending him.
Joe Lima sure has the goods that never make in into a real movie about the scumbaguevera. Kudos sir.
How would you feel about this. A renowned US director is going to make a sympathetic movie about Joseph Goebbels. No way. That’s unthinkable. Outrageous. Despicable.
You may recall that Goebbels was one of the most evil men in history. A Nazi propagandist and ideologue who preached the cult of state hate. A man who helped create the intellectual foundation that enabled people to torture and murder millions of their fellow human beings with impunity.
Yet when it comes to the monster from the left, Hollywood hits the morality off switch.
Guevara is, of course, A-List material for Institutionally Leftist Hollywood. He was an extreme left winger whose whole life was dedicated to an ideology which has led to death and misery for millions – probably billions.
And he looks fabulous in a beard and beret dahling.
One things for sure — you’ve got more chance of seeing a pro-Guevera movie from Hollywood, than a pro-troops movie.
See that was Hitler’s problem, if only he’d worn Wayferers and a beret instead of that stupid haircut and laughable mustache, we’d have sympathetic Nazi movies by the bucket.
Although rightfully killed 1967, much of today’s global terrorist movement can be traced back to the evil plots, ideas and actions of Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara.
He was, after all, the man who wrote: ‘Hatred is an element of struggle; relentless hatred of the enemy that impels us over and beyond the natural limitations of man and transforms us into effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machines.’
Does that sound familiar. Bin Laden? Al Qaeda? Arafat? Hamas? Hezbollah? Shining Path? Maoists? Al Asqa Martyrs’ Brigade? Every leftoid scumbag terrorist gang that ever breathed looks to inspiration from this disgusting monster.
Like him, they use irrational hatred and bloodlust to de-humanize their “enemy.” You, me, Jews, Christians, Infidels, Americans, Hindus, Buddhists. We’re all fair game for mass death because… well, we ain’t human to them.
In 1977, when the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) hijacked a Lufthansa jet to Mogadishu, Somalia, one of the terrorists killed by the West German GSG-9 counter-terrorist unit is pictured dead in his seat wearing a ‘Che’ T-Shirt.
But Ernesto was hardly revolutionary here. He was just another malignant narcissist using the same centuries old doctrine to justify mass murder and torture.
The fact is: if hate was the solution to all our problems then the victors of the last century would indeed have mirrored George Orwell’s ‘1984′ where the indelible picture is one of a boot in a man’s face – forever.
Fortunately men like Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Amin, Mugabe, Castro, Guevara, and Pol Pot are ALL viewed in thinking quarters as mass murderers and criminals.
What a pity the oh-so tolerant lefties in Hollywood don’t share this view.
Great pieces on the POS Che.
When I run across the “multi-culti” Che-chic or Mao-portrait attire on folks around town, I often ask them: “Why not a Stalin or Hitler T-shirt? What’s the difference?”
White Guilt is so pathetic, its racist fashion statements allow for Che & Mao imagery, but not the equally evil Stalin & Hitler (white European guys).
When will Hollywood make the Soviet/Stalin, or PRC/Mao versions of “Schindler’s List”?
I’d find them a cinematic “Heaven on Earth”.
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Great article Joe! I often reflect on how lucky on am that I was born in america. Next up for Mr. Soderbergh, Arafat the musical!
I was about to write a comment demeaning you for not exposing the REAL CHE in the first article. On the second part you did an outstanding explanation of CHe’s and Castro’s actions. Isn’t it highly amusing that it is very likely that CHE was set up by Castro to be killed to as to eliminate his competion. Commies always eat their own. For all you moderates and those conservatives, This is what the LIBs will do if they are able to consolidate their power! The 1st and 2nd Admendment must be protected with our lives if neccessary!
Wonderful essay. I was in London in the Summer of 2006 and happened upon the Victoria & Albert Museum. There big draw at the time was a shrine to Che. My gag reflex was on full-force as I saw this monster being glorifed. I have always wondered if these people wearing the Che t-shirts even know who the heck he was. My guess is they are clueless and unfortunately with movies like this one, they’ll never know the real man.
Thirty-three days after opening, total gross as reported by BoxOfficeMojo.com is $293,708. The people’s academy has spoken.
What heroes chef james ? You call the american butchers heroes? What hipocrisy
My father was a political prisoner in Cuba during this time. He suffered beatings and terrible cruelty at the hands of this clown and his minions. He told me that his faith in GOD was renewed the day this monster went to be judged before him.
Every now and then , or maybe more often in harvard square, one sees some moron wearing a ‘Che” shirt. They think it makes them cool and smarter than everyone else. These young socialists though know nothing about “Che”. Actually reading something and understanding it is too hard for them, they’d rather just pose.
Finally someone in the blogosphere who really gets it! The Che wanna be’s like Penn and Glover who cozy up to a 21st century Che like Hugo should read this essay. Bravo! I can only speak for my self but…the America (Hollywood) bashing idiots should be thankful they live in our country. I know it is a cliché but they couldn’t do it in any other country. Freedom of speech is uniquely American.
Bravo, Joe Lima, on your excellent piece! Some of the lefties I ran around with in the 70’s had posters of the iconic Che platered on their walls. I bet 90% of them could not tell you exactly who he was except he was a cool revolutionary. Kind of went hand-in-hand with rock music, smoking dope and bell-bottom jeans.
Your family story is inspirational and I hope all your family is together now in the US. “Against All Hope” by Armando Valladeros is a watershed book which helped set me on the path to conservatism. It should be required reading in college.
As the Cubans are one generation removed from re-education camps, I fear that we are less than one generation removed from a take-over and re-education camps if the New World Order Socialist traitors have thier way.
If ten percent of Americans will wake up and protest, we can push this back another generation.
Yeah, Che in this country was mostly about style. He had that cool, “revolutionary” looking iconic poster that you had to display to show how anti-establishment you were. It was really about pissing off your parents. Radical chic indulged in by shallow, privileged American children. Same thing today.
I’ll be so glad when the last “68-er” is dead.
I think CHE was a great person , i don’t understand why people act like he or all the people around said that he never kill someone of course he did , like united states do , talk about freedom please this country gots more rules then any country that’s not freedom , of course nobody see that he was helping the poor people cuz no one cares them cuz they had never been in that situation thanks GOD , is very stupid that just for one man USA send more than one thousand soldiers just to kill one man very sad , just one more time we see that USA is in a place that is not his problem ,
people you can compare USA with a latinamerican country is not the same and you can’t blame it own CHE just cuz they kidnap people in other countries that ridicules ,whoever said that is very ignorant i can see that your from USA ,
I agree 100% with Joe Lima about this movie. Mr. Soderbergh shouldn’t glorify a murderer. Shame on him for not filming the truth about El Che.
As a cuban-american who lived with fear back in Cuba after the cuban-revolution, I wish you would have said all the facts about El Che. Maybe then, people would not dare to wear those t-shirts.
Not only do they allow a smooth and secure transaction, they also help protect you and your rights should a dispute arise.
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You can even get your own Che Bobblehead now…
http://www.thebobblehead.com/index.php/33-che-guevara-bobblehead.html
Che is a HERO
as for this pathetic site …. full of Douchebags
- Do you always fall for silly revisionist Gusano propaganda … or just this one time ?
Joe Lima is a fascist turd whose Daddy should have been sent to el Paredon
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violation of Godwins Law
It actually made 30,000,000 thus far
Facts much ?
Batistas dictatorship killed 20,000 Cubans and ran the island with the MAFIA
Your father probably was a war criminal and deserved the wall
I love how trolls stop in, throw a bomb and run; they expect everyone to accept what they say.
Even though my comment is FOUR months old, it has not helped poor Benecio. 150 days is release, the movie has still only grossed $1,723,534 if you add foreign receipts.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=che.htm
Ol' Che may have been a 'swell' guy, but his life didn't exactly translate into box office gold. And in response to your question: yes, I do facts much. I see your figure must have been quoted in someone's talking points because Del Toro, et al, WISH it made $30 mil.
Invoking Godwin's Law here is distraction/diversion.
Comparisons between Stalin & Hitler and Mao & Che are perfectly valid.
In the cultural White Guilt fashionista sense towards which it was made, comparing mass-murdering thugs on T-shirts is entirely appropriate.
Yes, I 'facts' all the time – and cite sources.
You respond to a comment that is FOUR months old – and still, poor, bitter Benecio's 'Che' still have grossed only $1.7 million which includes the foreign gross. Your 30 million must have been kernels of popcorn.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=che.htm
Your guy Che may have been a swell guy to you, but he's not exactly box office gold. Thanks to this scum and comrade, Fidel, the people of Cuba are celebrating a half century of totalitarianism.
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