Anne Rice: Follower of Christ Quits Christianity … On Facebook
by John Nolte
Not quite sure how you can be a follower of Christ and not be a Christian, but novelist Anne Rice is giving it a shot. Wednesday, the “Interview With a Vampire” author posted this on her Facebook account:
I quit being a Christian. I’m out. In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life. In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian. Amen.
Hours later she posted this:
My faith in Christ is central to my life. My conversion from a pessimistic atheist lost in a world I didn’t understand, to an optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God is crucial to me. But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been, or might become.
Obviously, she’s trying make a point and get a little attention for doing so. Here are some snips from an interview she did yesterday:
“I believed for a long time that the differences, the quarrels among Christians didn’t matter a lot for the individual, that you live your life and stay out of it. But then I began to realize that it wasn’t an easy thing to do,” said Rice, speaking from her home near Palm Springs, Calif. “I came to the conclusion that if I didn’t make this declaration, I was going to lose my mind.”
Rice said she is a Democrat who supports the health care legislation signed into law by President Barack Obama and believes gay marriage inevitably will be permitted throughout the country.
As a relatively new member of the Catholic church, one of the things I’m learning, thanks in large part to my Parish Priest, is that an important pillar of anyone’s faith is the ongoing moral debate you have with yourself over what is wrong and what is right. Though I have many political differences with my church and even more with my Priest (one of the finest men I know), the church recognizes that a sincere inner-struggle regarding political and social issues, a struggle to come to a truly Christian decision, is something that should last a lifetime.
Rice, on the other hand, appears to have ended that inner-debate and come to all the conclusions. Among them, that same-sex marriage and voting for Democrats is what Christ would want. If she’s made a sincere effort to work her conscience through to that conclusion, that’s fine.
What’s not Christian, however, is her lashing out at those who disagree, and judging them from a moral authority she doesn’t possess as betrayers of what she obviously has decided is a kind of true Christianity. There’s another word for this: Intolerance.
From where I sit, it looks at though Rice has “elevated” herself from a Christian to a narcissist.
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Seriously? If she was really a Christian then she would understand that one of the basic premises of Christianity is that humans are innately flawed. Thus we need: redemption, forgiveness etc, obtained through a personal relationship with Christ.
Saying that she is 'quitting Christianity' like it is some sort of club says to me that she was only there for the cool decoder ring.
I saw an interview with Rice years ago when "Interview with a Vampire" was just being made into a movie, and thought this is one strange lady. She has her talents, but I don't think introspection is among them. She's been elevated to a goth god in her own little world and I'm sure it went to her head a long time ago. Her ramblings aren't those of someone who is interested in a deep view of Christianity. It's the child-like religion of a the college-aged kid who is still stuck on ranting about their narrow view of "fairness."
Your headline could have been crazy lady says something crazy. I mean she even looks like a crazy cat lady. Off camera are like 200 cats roaming her house. I heard that the Christian fiction Rice wrote after converting were not terribly Christian. I haven't read any of her work, but people tell me they were biblically-themed bodice rippers. Could be wrong. Again it's just what I've been told. Whether it's true or not it seems to me that after writing too many books about self-pitying vampires she got some publicity for becoming Christian and writing too many "Christian" books. Now she's repenting her Christianity and will probably hop into the sparkly vampire market since it seems to be popular. Whatever.
She was probably just infatuated with the earthly aspects of catholicism; the great art, the great cathedrals, great music, vestments, traditions and mysteries etc.. What novelist wouldn't?
Your observation is correct. "Hosanna to me!"
In the name of Christ, I want to have my cake and eat it, too!
I refuse to be anti-science.
She also refuses to be informed. The Baylor Religion Survey showed that the vast majority of American Christians are hunky dory with science. What they're not okay with is academic scientists, whom they perceive as arrogant and anti-Christian. Kind of like Ms. Rice.
Wait, I don't have a decoder ring yet! When am I supposed to get one? Or did you mean "robe", cuz if so, then I can wait awhile. : )
She is so not going to be my Facebook friend.
; )
I quit being a Christian. I’m out. In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life. In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian. Amen.
What anti-intellectual dreck. Jesus would consider liberals/democrats to be humanities bottom of the barrel. Ironically even islamists have a higher regard for life than liberals. The liberal mind is a psychologically damaged wasteland.
Rice's problem with being a believer is that belief requires things of you… if you could just go on the same old way as before you were a believer, there wouldn't be much of a point, would there?
As C.S. Lewis would say, He isn't a tame God, you know.
She sounds desparately confused to me! Maybe the last vampire novel she wrote sucked the brain out of her head!
But yeah, she's definitely a narcissist.
So, in other words you're saying that you agree with her, and are painting all christians with a big broad brush–because obviously to be christian is to be anti gay anti democrat (wth?) etc etc?
Don't be so stupid.
The Gandhi quote has nothing to do with Ann Rice.
Your headline could have been crazy lady says something crazy.
Thanks! That was funny.
Sounds like the stuff I hear from athiest actor's lol I think this is right and I should be able to do it lol. Gay marriage god really doesn't like living togethor he doesn't like. I guess god isn't progressive enough for them lol
I'm trying hard to find any difference between this and the usual ill-informed atheist hand-waving dismissal, and not having much success. I thought she was smart even before she became a Christian — now I see that I was wrong. I wonder what church she attended, to get these silly ideas about the Church and Christians?
That's funny, Laurance Doyle has given addresses at my church on multiple occasions. Considering he has a master's degree in astronomy and a Ph.D. in astrophysics and is a principal investigator for SETI I'm sure he'll be interested to learn his religious beliefs make him anti-science.
I think she's confused.
All of the great universities of the world were started by religion — Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale, U of Paris, all the ivy leagues, etc., etc.
The anti-science canard is a divisive lie. There is nothing mutually exclusive between science and religion and it's only since marxism that this crap has come up because God threatens totalitariansim.
Unified field theory, quantum entanglement, string theory, and relativity theory all support conditions necessary for a diety and these findings were also predicted in the bronze age Bible. That is, parallel and multiple dimensions of existence, multiple universes, big bang (something from nothing), malleable space-time and trans-dimensional communication were all included and predicted in religious texts. Now we know they all exist or are possible. How could they have known? Dinosaurs are cute but, turns out, they are just tinker toys.
So immaculate conception is laughable "nonsense"? Michael Jackson already did it twice… so, who is kidding themselves?
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Oh, Facebook, how I love you–public soap box, pulpit, scrapbook, community bulletin board and frat house all in one. And cool pictures of food that I ate and my kitty sleeping. I can't fault her for her evolving spiritual journey–we've all wrestled with faith and how we define ourselves. But I don't find her revelations any more interesting or meaningful to me than anyone else's. There's nothing more annoying than a newly zealous convert, no matter what they're converting to/from. I just hope this means she'll start writing about Lestat again.
“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult and left untried.” — GK Chesterton.
I pray for Ann Rice.
I'm not sure she understands Christianity. Either that or she doesn't use the same definitions I do for the topics she touched on. According to her I've been doing Christianity wrong. I'm not anti-artificial birth control. While I disagree with many Democrats and, am not one myself, Christianity is not a political party. One can be a Democrat and be a Christian. I think secular humanism is in opposition to Christianity because it is about looking to humanity before God. So as a Christian, I think you should be anti-secular humanism. The anti-science comment has already been rebutted by an different commenter in a better way than I probably could.
The most telling part of the interview was when she said:
“I believed for a long time that the differences, the quarrels among Christians didn’t matter a lot for the individual, that you live your life and stay out of it. But then I began to realize that it wasn’t an easy thing to do,"
I've got news for you Ms. Rice, Christianity isn't supposed to be easy. If you asked any Christian, they would have told you that.
Liberals demand proof of God so they can charge him for back taxes…..
Liberals think if God exists he must live next to Bill Gates, only in a way bigger house…..
Liberals want to kill God so they can invalidate the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution…..
Ya ummm I hear ya.
The difference is that while Ghandi simply points out many Christians do not immitate Christ by loving people the way the Bible teaches, Rice here is trying to say that Jesus would be a political leftist.
I take Ghandi's quote as thought provoking criticism, while Rice's I can ignore up front because she is placing political and personal feelings on "what should be fair" over God's Word as an authority on what is right and what is wrong, as well as the basis for what she considers to be true.
What she's actually quiting is organized religion.
Being a follower of Christ and setting a good example is HARD WORK – most liberals are atheists because it's the easy, irresponsible, fun way of living without having to face those pesky moral questions most of us have to deal with. Lie, cheat on your spouse, bear false witness – who has time for that kind of guilt? If you are weak, it's easier to give in and drink the Kool Aid, than develop a character based on strength – courage – patience and endurance to stand firm against moral assaults.
She thinks she is taking the moral high road while issuing a self rightoues judging of Christians on the way out. She just proved to all that she didn't have the strength of character to resist the calls of the so called "easier way."
Who gives a crap what Anne Rice thinks: "No Anne, don't do it!"
She obviously combines politics and religion and doesn't know when to see the separation. And she's spent one too many days at the cafe's listening to her friends.
Her description of Christianity (anti-science, anti-Democrat) reads like the kind of list that would be made by a non-Christian. My guess is that she converted to Christianity and ever since, all of her lefty friends have given her grief that she must automatically hate gays, etc. Years and years of this have worn her down, and now that she's said this publicly she can go to cocktail parties and not get any grief because she's the right kind of Christian.
Soooo, she's a Unitarian now? Is this news?
You can't make up your own God and that is what she and millions like her, are doing.
You can't make up your own God and that is what she and millions like her, are doing.
Anne returned to Catholicism, but she also has partnered with well-known Evangelicals in her post-conversion creative endeavors. My guess is that she was overwhelmed by the curious way that one's faith inevitably, inextricably influences one's politics. When I came to faith, friends wanted to know how I could still vote Democrat. I didn't know what they were talking about. As the years wore on and the influence of God deepened, I left liberal thinking behind because it is inconsistent with biblical thinking. (And there are few people more generous and compassionate toward the poor than individual Christian Republicans, regardless of liberal assumptions.)
For most people, faith, the study of the Bible and Christ's teachings gradually removes the cobwebs, gradually matures you, gradually changes your worldview. And all too often, people in high places — Anne Rice, Mel Gibson, Jane Fonda — get the shock of a lifetime when seasoned believers expect them to be like-minded, mature in their faith just because they're seated around the same conference table.
Ann Rice has free will. That is God's most gracious gift besides life itself. On this side, she can make up all her own rules to follow, she can think and practice what she want. God wants us all to find the way to Heaven. These egotist want to be on the same plain as God. We are all sinners and not perfect. When it is her time and she crosses over there is no negotiations there, there is only forgiveness IF YOU ASKED FOR IT. We will all get truth when we cross over and this world means nothing, its were we end up that is important. God bends over backwards and gives us so many ways to redeem ourselves but we have that ego and that will blind us to the truth. This existence is about being humble before God as he was to us., by being born in a stable.
When a Christian shuns fellowship with other Christians, the devil smiles. When he stops studying the Bible, the devil laughs. When he stops praying, the devil shouts for joy. –Corrie Ten Boom
Anne Rice is obviously not a person with a true connection to or understanding of the person of Jesus Christ. She doubts her commitment to follow Christ based on the social and political positions taken by other Christians, without understanding that Jesus himself would have taken some of those same positions.
For instance, Jesus was never confronted with this issue of gay marriage because it was clearly condemned in God's Law. The very idea that Jesus would have supported gay marriage would have been as possible as if he would have supported fornication, adultery, bestiality, incest, pedophilia, etc. There was no reason to even debate such issues in Jewish society. The NT writers clearly condemned homosexuality as they took the Gospel to sexually liberal Gentiles. (I Cor 6:9-11; Rom 1:26-28; 2 Peter 2:6; Jude 7: ).
Jesus would probably not support the entire agenda of any group, religous or not, but two things Jesus absolutely would never support for the highest ethical reasons are abortion and gay marriage.
Sad. I understand that her son is gay, which must create some conflict. Add to that her long marination within the trendy secular humanist milieu of San Fransisco, and it appears that her abilities to distinguish between good and evil has become a bit warped. But the Hound of Heaven, I suspect, won't let her rest.
She votes Democrat. What's the question?
She's converted from Lestaslam to Twilitian
"immaculate conception is laughable "nonsense"? Michael Jackson already did it twice"
Wrong, look it up.
If a belief in the Christ was all that was needed to be a Christian then Lucifer would be the leader of the Christian world fore there is no creature that has been aware of (and in conflict with) Christ longer than Satan.
Laus Tibi Christi.
She only became Chrisitian in the first place to get one of those cool Goth cross necklaces. It's not a freakin' buffet. You don't get to pick and choose your favorite and not favorite scriptures.
Quitting Christianity of Facebook is the behavior of a bratty 13-year-old. It's sad when people in the twilight of their lives still feel enticed to behave like bratty teenagers.
Well, as we say around my denomination: "Ms. Rice, don't let the stained glass door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!"
Yep! I want my decoder ring also. Will it help me understand those stupid movies where Tom Hanks has a really bad haircut?
Rod Flanders: "Convert the heathen!"
Todd Flaners: "I got him!"
Rod Flanders: "No, you just winged him. He's a Unitarian now."
Rod & Todd Flanders, playing "Bible Blaster" video game
Traditionally its a first holy Communion gift. If not, you should be able to get one during Confirmation.
Anne, like most melancholy, creative personalities, is a feeler rather than a logical thinker. Feelers can't handle having their own feelings hurt and certainly can't handle absolute truths and consequences. This is really no surprise to me.
"Move along, nothing to see" would have worked too.
You got that right. If you ask me, the Mass of Creation is about as close as any of us modern people will ever get to an ancient religious ceremony. It's got all the components. Sight, sound, smell, touch. All done pretty much the same way for the last 1,700 years.
My former pastor is the son of two Christian NASA scientists.
It sounds like Ms. Rice is more confused about her politics than about Christianity per se. She seems equally confused about the history and philosophy of science.
It staggers the mind every time I hear someone call Christianity "anti-science". The first universities in the West were founded by Christians, and many — I almost can claim "most" — scientific luminaries were deeply devout Christians.
(Check out the first couple of chapters of Dinesh D'Souza's _What's So Great About Christianity_ for a nice survey on this point.)
Ms. Rice may just be the first person in the history of the world (hyperbole, obviously) to call Christianity "anti-life". We're known for being pro-life, from the womb to terminal illness. I can't figure what she means by that.
As for anti-Democrat: she does know there is a religious Left in this country, I hope. Christianity calls us to a person not a particular political philosophy.
As for anti-gay: While this is a comfortable meme used to tarnish Christians as backwards and akin to bigots, Ms. Rand should realize that it is in predominantly Christian cultures that homosexuals have the freedom to be how they wish.
(Disagreeing over gay 'marriage' is not anti-gay: it's a different view of how society should recognize relationships with a mind towards generating and socializing subsequent generations.)
In fact, built into the very core of Christianity is that you can go your own way if you want to and God lets you. It's called "free will" and the concept gives birth, in part, to our modern notion of "tolerance". That's partly the point of the Genesis narrative and the Garden of Eden. And we see it in the teachings of Jesus. At one point, followers of his said: "This is hard teaching. Who can accept it?" And they left. Did Jesus harangue them? No, he turns to his other followers and asks, "Do you want to leave too?"
Finally, it's in Christianity, not secular humanism, that care for the weak and powerless is an *inherent* virtue, woven into the very conception of how the universe operates. In a world governed solely by survival of the fittest, why should we care for the poor, the sick, or the orphaned?
I find these Hollywood artists ans writers want to be free thinking even if it eventully leads to self destruction you know. If it feels good do it thats just asking for trouble down the road or sooner because it is a selfish way of thinking. If anything this shows liberal and hollywood values are at best fantasy and unrealistic. this Pro gay marriage and pro live in relationship thing affects people other then themselves. So of course they don't like god lol because he says no no no to all that superfical crap.
Socialists and communists did a pretty good job in the 19th century convincing people the Church was anti-science, when in fact modern science owes its existence to the Church.
The Church invented the public education and university systems, as well as the public health system. The Jesuits were the ones who figured out the solar calendar, named in honor of one of the Popes name Greggory. The Gregorian Calendar. They also invented archeology, astronomy, and seismology. The American Catholic School system is the largest private school system in the world.
Science is what God gave us. Faith is why. There is no incompatibility at all.
My experience is for the vast majority of those who consider themselves modern liberals, the only problems are lack of education and intellectual laziness.
Basically what Gandhi said was in theory Christianity is nearly perfect, but in practice, not so much. I'm a life long Catholic and I agree with him. We still have a long way to go.
But recognizing that is a good first step.
I have a decoder ring! ….But all the codes are of an angry face… ?…..
Left-wing Christians invariably conflate Jesus Christ with Santa Claus. They hear "love one another" and stop there. "Go and sin no more" (with its admonition against sinning) never seems to make an impression.
I've never been able to fully empathize with people that feel that they must [make declarations at the risk of losing their minds].
The initial snippet from Ms. Rice has a sentiment similar to something Rev. Billy Graham once said, "I believe in Christ, not Christianity." And he said it to emphasize the primacy of being deoted to and having a personal relationship with the risen Lord, rather than an earthly church or denomination. We all, being fallen individuals, need to keep our daily walk focused on God and his plan for our lives. Ms. Rice needs to learn the meaning of "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." And the rest of us need to help her by surrounding her with love.
Agreed. And I'm a practicing Catholic. One of the first lessons humans need to know is to realize and accept we are not perfect, nor will we ever be.
I was reading an article by George Weigel a couple of months ago. He started off saying some one was asking him a theological question and they started off with "I'm not a perfect Catholic" and he replied the way he always does "No one is."
Ms. Rice may just be the first person in the history of the world (hyperbole, obviously) to call Christianity "anti-life". We're known for being pro-life, from the womb to terminal illness. I can't figure what she means by that.
It's the whole War angle, I think. As George Carlin once summed it up, we really only want live babies so that we can turn them into dead soldiers.
Let me tell you, there are some doozies out there. The Paulists in Boston decided to start blessing people in the name of the creator, the redeemer and the facilitator.
The Vatican had a problem with that, and they let them know.
It was never anything but a gimmick. Her books weren't selling, she was getting a lot of heat for her evil-promoting/satanic books, so she took the cross for a while.
So she's a fake.
She's got about as much substance as Rowling, who is as vapid as a stuffed animal..
http://vaticanobservatory.org/
Excellent post, Will. Amen to everything you said.
Me too, this should probably be posted over at Greg Gutfeld's thread on crazy Californians.
Must be nice to recreate God in your own image.
Like many other so-called Christians, she is just into the feelgood me-first "spiritual" stuff and cannot handle the obligations and restrictions. It is hardly surprising that an elderly writer of BDSM novels is confused by Christianity.
Ah, I see: that's a good point I hadn't considered. (I'm a conservative Christian who was against the Iraq war from the start and, while pro-military, is wary of politicians of all stripes who rattle sabers. Probably why that didn't immediately suggest itself as her meaning.)
If so, I'd encourage her to rethink even that, though. In some instances, war, paradoxically, can be pro-life. One only need think of WWII and the (admittedly, belated) intervention into the Holocaust as the most obvious example.
Anne Rice seems to be defining Christ as pro-gay, pro-feminist, pro-birth control, pro-Democrat, pro-secular humanism, pro-science, pro-life and pro-health care legislation.
Does that work? Just re-define Christ to suit ourselves and, bingo, we are following Christ. Does that work for everyone or just Anne? Would that work for a murderer, a rapist, a pedophile, or even (shudder) a Republican?
Or… maybe Anne thinks she is Christ?
It is my understanding that man does NOT define Christ in any way. Christians may, and often do, have an imperfect understanding of Christ, but the way to be a Christian is described in one very simple Bible verse, John 3:16. I hope Anne has not abandoned that.
Obama Mocks Christian Faith… http://usataxpayer.org/?0033881580
Are You in Doubt About the Issue of Gay Marriage? http://usataxpayer.org/?0068297850
Very true. The Gospel is perfect; the people who believe in it and try to follow it, sadly, are not.
I can sum up Ms. Rice's profession of her "faith": "Dim Sum" Christianity – take what you like and leave the rest. Meanwhile, she supports a government-controlled health care system. If she thinks Roman Catholics have too many rules, wait until ObamaCare assumes full control of health care in this country.
Ditto.
Sounds to me like she finally realized the Catholic Church isn't kidding. They really mean this.
By which you mean all of them?
You nailed it!
If people were prefect we wouldn't need religion. For me it helps me learn to find peace despite my being imperfect, living in an imperfect world.
Hardly anything suggesting her self-importance, here. Must be her Christian humility kicking in.
TheHucth — Well-said. "The right kind of Christian" is the only Christian accepted in elite society.
I wonder if any muslisms quit Islam in the name of Allah?
I call them "cafeteria Christians" who pick and chose which things they like and attack or discard those they don't.
Well, Jesus doesn't look kindly on luke-warm followers, who He says He'll spit out of his mouth (figuratively speaking).
"If she was really a Christian" ? So now "conservatives" can determine who the real Americans are and who the real Christians are? THANK YOU! Just to clarify: Rice is not really Christian, but the gay-prostitute-renting -drug-addicted leaders of the mega-churches of the mid-west are? I'll take Rice's Christianity over Robertson's any day.
'I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life.'
For God's sake, become an Episcopalian! We'll (yes, unfortunately I belong to the church) piss off anyone to make hack progressive statements.
Lets analyze the rest of your foolish statements, shall we?
Anti-Gay: So all the openly gay bishops don't do it for you?
Anti-Feminist: Come listen to my priest's sermons about how awesome women are.
Anti-birth control: Um…you don't think missionaries pass out condoms?
Anti-democrat: Don't make me laugh.
Anti-secular humanist: Anti-secular…gee, I guess that's why they call it A RELIGION.
Anti-science: Since when?
Anti-life: I imagine you still support abortion though like a good little democratic stooge.
Once again its proven progressives can't belong to anything they won't betray on a whim.
"We're OK with science if it ends up in machine guns or oil derricks, this evolution stuff if for the birds though"
And now that Ms Rice has left Christianity, she must be killed. Ooops! Sorry about that. Quoting the wrong prophet.
And don't forget our own public school system.
I've heard it said that Unitarians pray "To Whom It May Concern" (kinda makes God to be some anonymous customer-service person).
Jesus also said render to Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's and it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven….Christian's should not spend their time sullying themselves with money and politics if they are looking for an invitation to the party in the sky.
Evolution, the non-thinking blind nothing that "gives" us the universe.
I can't forget the public school system, I'm a product of it. Which is exactly why my daughter attends a parochial school.
I know some liberals/democrats that are not humanities bottom of the barrel. Although they are more democrat than what we perceive liberals as being like. Some of them have only the best motives at heart and their actions aren't too bad either, I just don't agree with them politically.
cont from above.
My problem with this anti rant that she has is that I am a very faithful follower of a Christian religion and I do not see myself being anti any of those things. I believe homosexual behavior is wrong but I am not anti homosexuals. I don't support a large part of what seems to be feminist teachings but I am not anti-feminist. I believe myself to be a true feminist. I have used hormonal birth control before and don't really like it for myself but don't stop others from using it or things it is wrong. I have family that is democrat so I am not anti them although I don't think I will ever be a Democrat myself. I follow a religious dogma so can't be a true secular humanist but that doesn't mean I hate everything they are about. I am most definitely not anti-science. I love it. And I am encouraged at church to learn as much as I can and feel that applies to scientific theories and laws.
cont again.
I am most certainly not anti-life. I don't know how this even fits in with her other ideas unless she thinks you can't truly live without feeling you can do anything you want without consequence, in which case she is even more deluded than her other statements made her seem.
Gandhi was also the first person to say, "Does this loin cloth make me look fat?"
The Catholic Church has that effect on some people. I ran out of there as fast as I could, as soon as I could.
And now, after about 15 years of not even thinking about religion, I'm running the parish web site.
Well put.
That is a great Gandhi quote that I never heard before. So very true.
Thank you.
Mr. Nolte, welcome to the Universal, Apostolic Church!
"Anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-science"…all liberal buzzwords that anti-Christians like to assign to all denominations of Christianity. Never mind that the scientific method was thoroughly practiced by monks and religious before the 'intellectual enlightened class' made a religion centered around it. It's almost like Rice is begging the rest of the lefty writing circle if she can get invited to the right parties now that she's 'seen the light' or something.
Though seriously, I always hear that "Well Jesus was a liberal hippie of his time so he'd be a liberal in the present day, too!" Well yeah…of his time. He still supported business, individual charity and self-reliance, but not government-imposed 'social justice', which the Left likes to sell off to Christians as "something Jesus would want". Reminds me of this quote from The Screwtape Letters, including one that Glenn Beck brought up this morning thanks to one of his callers:
"We must first make (Jesus) solely a teacher, and then conceal the very substantial agreement between his teachings and those of all other great moral teachers. For humans must not be allowed to notice that all great moralists are sent by the Enemy (God), not to inform men, but to remind them, to restate the primeval moral platitudes against our continual concealment of them"…. "On the other hand we do want, and want very much, to make men treat Christianity as a means; preferably, of course, as a means of their own advancement, but, failing that, as a means to do anything — even to social justice. The thing to do is to get a man at first to value social justice as a thing which the Enemy demands, and then work him on to the stage at which he values Christianity because it may produce social justice. For the Enemy will not be used as a convenience."
Even as far back as the 1940s, CS Lewis saw right through the agenda of the Left, haha.
Yup. I like the comparison of church being like a hospital (or doctor's office would work too). When we are injured or really sick we have to go to the hospital to be treated. We have to go to the doctor's office to make sure we are okay. We go to church, read scriptures, listen to gospel teachings because we are all sinners and we need reminders of what we should be doing and help repenting of wrongs we have done.
Or the reality shows did.
We also call them APEs. Ash Wednesday, Palm Sunday and Easter.
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