Doing the Research the ‘L.A. Times’ Won’t: James Cameron’s Own ‘Avatar’ Script Contradicts His Latest Spin
by John NolteJames Cameron kids about his blockbuster “Avatar” being “Death Wish for environmentalists” (kind of). But in one of those unique L.A. Times’ interviews only leftists enjoy — the kind where they can spout all the craziness they want without fear of being challenged — Cameron touches on a number of controversies surrounding his Best Picture nominee, including the charge that his anti-military film is anti-military.

“Remember, you are bad security types. Very, very bad.”
This interview was done over dinner at a Hollywood Cafe. And it shows. [emphasis is mine throughout]
“I think there’s something amazingly satisfying when the hammerheads come out of the forest and start mowing down all the bad security enforcers,” Cameron says, referring to the movie’s climactic creatures-versus-humans battle sequence. “Nature gets to fight back. It’s ‘Death Wish’ for environmentalists. When did nature ever get to fight back in a movie?“
Notice how Cameron’s now using the term “bad security enforcers.” Next we’ll hear about how they’re on a “overseas contingency operation” to create “man-made disasters.” This new language is baffling. Just a few weeks ago Cameron told Jay Leno that “Avatar” was meant to ”honor” the Marines. What is he doing now? Honoring “bad security enforcers?”
A little off-track here, but the last part of Cameron’s statement is too bizarre to ignore:
”When did nature ever get to fight back in a movie?”
While I admire anyone who was able to avoid “The Happening,” did Cameron not see his own “Piranha 2?” How about “The Birds,” “The Swarm,” “Jurassic Park,” and these other 29 found with a trope-avoiding gizmo called Google?
“Avatar’s” 9/11 imagery:
One of the movie’s key images — the violent destruction of the towering Hometree, the center of the Na’vi world — directly evokes the collapse of the World Trade Center. Cameron says the connection wasn’t purely intentional. He was just looking to deliver an emotional gut-punch and make an explicit link to the damage he believes humans are inflicting on Earth, a planet that has become a “dying world” in “Avatar’s” not-so-distant future.
“Wasn’t purely intentional”? Give me a break. Either own it or don’t, but to say that something in a low-budget indie film ”wasn’t purely intentional” is absurd all on its own. For a perfectionist director who spent years and a quarter-billion dollars bringing his vision to life to say the same… Well, I’ll say it again: Either own it or don’t.

Kinda, maybe, sorta the World Trade Center.
Of course the terrorist attack on Hometree is meant to evoke 9/11. And Cameron’s first choice is to have American Marines (note to leftist hair-splitters: “former” Marines) commit this atrocity. And Cameron’s second choice is to have American Marines doing so on behalf of a genocide-happy commander (a “bad security enforcer” referred to as “Colonel”) who evokes an American President and American foreign policy with the following phrases: “daisy cutter,” “shock and awe” and “pre-emptive war.”
Cameron regrets “shock and awe”:
“I probably shouldn’t have put in the direct references to the language used with the Iraq war, the ’shock and awe’ line, because it takes you too much there,” Cameron reflects. “But what I really was saying was, ‘Listen to what your leaders are saying. Open your eyes. And understand what the run-up to war is like, so the next time it happens, you can question it.’”
You’ll see later that Cameron complains about his critics being too literal. After all, in a million years who would’ve ever guessed that using key phrases from the Iraq War might make people think the storyteller was referring to the Iraq War?
Cameron respects the Marines:
And now to the part of the interview that should’ve been set to music:
[D]uring dinner, [Cameron] circles back several times to the idea that he’s somehow anti-military because of the way he depicts the corporate military contractors — “Blackwater types,” he calls them — in “Avatar.” The director repeatedly expresses his support for the armed forces, noting his Marine brother’s service in Kuwait and professing deep respect for the sense of teamwork, duty and service that he believes form the heart of the Marine Corps.
Cameron’s dancing as fast as he can and already we’ve fox-trotted from ”bad security enforcers” to “Blackwater types.” Naturally, our gallant reporter doesn’t challenge any of this. After all, what matters is what Cameron says over dinner at a Hollywood Cafe, not what the actual movie says.

A cozy Cafe.
So let’s leave this cozy little Cafe and do the work the reporter wouldn’t and look at — oh, I don’t know — the script? According to the “Avatar” screenplay posted on the 20th Century-Fox website, the word “Marine” is used in the film’s dialogue a total of seven times. There are four “Marine” references in the all-important first act where you do the critical work of setting up what your story is about and who your characters are. For instance, on page 27:
JAKE
Just Marines comparin’ tattoos.GRACE
Yeah. Well, listen to me, Marine–
The lead insane Blackwater-type, Quaritch, is referred to as “Colonel” a total of five times and “sir” thrice.
And here’s something even more interesting. Cameron not only named one of his characters “Trooper” (and Trooper is not one of those cuddly Na’Vi), but to describe his own “bad security enforcers,” Cameron uses the word “troops,” or some variance of it, over 50 times in his scene descriptions.
There’s also a Colonel Lyle Wainfleet, a Private Fike and a General Dynamics (last one’s a joke).
And let’s not forget that all those “bad security enforcers” sound American, are dressed in military uniform, observe military protocols, and use military-style equipment to commit their evils.
I also did a search to see if any of the characters referred to each other as “contractors” — nothing found. Same with “enforcers,” “mercenary,” “mercenaries,” or “security personnel.” Maybe my mistake was not searching for the phrase ”Blackwater types.” Buried in all this is a single reference to a private security force, but not a spoken one!
Check the script out for yourself. It’s not hard to do. Unless of course you’re a writer for the L.A. Times too busy trying on different outfits in front of a mirror before jaunting off to an interview.
Do as I say, not as I do.
What Cameron wants is to convince us that what he says in some cafe means more than what’s in the actual movie. After all…
People are too literal:
Cameron has no patience for anyone attempting to make direct parallels between “Avatar” and Iraq, like the German journalist who told Cameron during a recent media conference that the film seemed like the story of the Taliban told from the movement’s point of view. He finds that kind of literalism “egregious” and “willfully ignorant of the power of allegorical storytelling.”
Translation:
9/11 imagery? I was as surpised as you were.
American Military? So they look, act, and talk like the American military. That doesn’t mean that’s some kind of allegory, Mr. Willfully Ignorant.
“Shock and awe” and ”pre-emptive war” equals Iraq? Next you’re going to tell me ”Remember the Alamo” is some kind of Alamo reference.
The bottom line, Academy voters: Don’t listen to those right-wingers. “Avatar” is only about its oh-so important environmental message.
Americans must live with less:
“And it will be a dying world if we don’t make some fundamental changes about how we view ourselves and how we view wealth,” Cameron says. “I consider the wealth of this nation its natural resources, not the things that we’re brought up to think of as wealth. We’re going to have to live with less.”
The second bottom line is that it’s okay for the uber-wealthy Cameron to be astonishly hypocritical about this. Why? Because he confesses to his hypocrisy (who knew it worked that way?):
“And I know people will look at me and say, ‘Oh, he’s a rich guy. What does he know about living with less?’ I admit it’s difficult once you’ve reached a certain level in your life. But I think there’s a way to live and raise your kids with a set of values that teaches them the importance of hard work, the importance of respecting other people and the importance of respecting nature. And that it’s not this consumer society where you buy something and then throw it away when you get the next new thing, filling up huge landfills with plastic and electronics.”
I’m sure he means, other than the electronics created to handle all the technology he’s advancing, and other than the ”plastic” cases holding all those “Avatar” DVDs.
Reader poll: Which is least surprising?
1. The guy who made the merchandise-crazy “Avatar” wagging his finger at the rest of us for consuming?
2. That the L.A. Times reporter doesn’t challenge him on this?
3. That the sun came up this morning?
The answer is all three. Rich, hypocritical leftist filmmakers telling the less fortunate to live with less and the water-carrying entertainment journalists who let them get away with it are as predicatable as the sunrise.
Money quote:
Cameron takes no small delight in the way conservative commentators have attacked the movie. ”Let me put it this way,” Cameron says during a recent dinner conversation at a Hollywood cafe. “I’m happy to piss those guys off. I don’t agree with their world view.”
A real reporter would’ve asked him how much delight he takes in this. And this. And this.
Unfortunately, you could flood the L.A. Times and not get a real reporter damp.






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It's obvious that Cameron did an anti-US military piece and no amount of trying to pretend now that he didn't is going to change that. He should just take his ill-gotten money and go live under the protection of some more noble military, like China's. They wouldn't kill Smurfs.
Cameron asks when did nature ever fight back? Doh! Tolkien would like to take you on a walk some day…and he wrote about it in a far more intelligent manner!
what a maroon.
"But what I really was saying was, ‘Listen to what your leaders are saying. Open your eyes. And understand what the run-up to war is like, so the next time it happens, you can question it."
How much do you want to bet James continually defends Obama's little gaffe's by saying 'give the guy a chance, he has good intentions!'
Is just me or does any one else think Corporal Louis LeBeau is the only person on earth (and now apparently space too) who pronounces "Colonel" the way it's spelled?
I vote number 1
Reader poll: Which is least surprising?
1. The guy who made the merchandise-crazy “Avatar” wagging his finger at the rest of us for consuming?
Nice takedown, Mr. Nolte.
As always it's the extreme hypocrisy and duplicity that are so galling. Nobody outside his media bubble, and certainly no Marines, buy his BS. Re: the envionmental sanctimony: maybe the next time Earth First (or whatever the enviro-fascist org of the week is calling themselves) is crowing about this or that offensive building they've just burned down, someone should suggest they get their buddy JC to give them a tour of a certain palatial mansion in Malibu.
Someone needs to ask Cameron why is it bad for one species to dominate another and to take their resources. All this movie is about is survival of the fittest.
Ya know, I dug a lot of Cameron's movies back in the day. But this tears it. What a repellent little turd this guy is.
He puts piles of anti-American crap into his movie, then denies, obfuscates and generally weedles his way out of admitting to it. Like Nolte said, 'Own it, James.' The fact that Cameron can't admit to his knee-jerk Leerjet liberalism makes him not only a leftist, but a gutless one at that.
The whole "you can question it" line is so left-wing: simultaneously ignorant and condescending.
People did question the Iraq war. The problem is that every administration since Bush 1, every news source, and the UN told us that Saddam was a grave threat to world peace. How many times did the UN 'resolve' to use force if he didn't comply?
Everyone acts as if the Iraq war just came up out of nowhere because of the evil Bushitler. But Bush was just the final link in a long chain of accountability (and that's being generous, considering Congress sends us to war and both parties heartily endorsed the Iraq war in 2003).
The problem isn't that we didn't "listen" and "question". The problem is with the entire idea of being world police, which is the fundamental idea behind the UN. The UN is a colossal, embarrassing failure, yet left-wingers absolve that organization of any guilt and try to blame the single guy they don't like.
Cameron has been exposed as an opportunistic propagandist for the enemies of freedom and is in shameless damage control.
He is a cartoon character as phony as the rest of the Hollyweird liberal establishment.
He will fade into deserved dark oblivion, while the U. S. Marine Corps marches on and on in Glory. Semper Fi
I can't wait to read the LA Times' rebuttal. Nice piece, Nick.
"While I admire anyone who was able to avoid “The Happening,” did Cameron not see his own “Piranha 2?”"
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/piranha_2_the_spa...
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/10007985-happenin...
Going by that, Cameron would be more fortunate to have avoided Piranha 2 than The Happening. (8% vs. 18%)
Would that I were so fortunate as to avoided both.
Still, I have given Avatar a pass.
I haven't seen it…didn't really want to…the smurfish Na'vi (or whatever) look creepy and distracting to me…but the 9/11 references just made the thought of seeing it really disgusting.
Tell us how you really feel, John.
I REGRET paying to see Avatar. I actually fell for the "you gotta see the visual effects" idiocy – and was brutally slapped in the face by this anti-American scumbag.
And to see the box office reach of this movie THAT DOESN'T DESERVE ANY OF ITS ACCLAIM, is pretty disheartening.
Many leftists now lie and say that leftist ideals sell and sell big due to this movie, when everyone I know who went to see it did so for the effects. All the previous Hollywood antiwar flops have been forgotten.
NO LIE – at the end of this movie at my local theater, maybe two people applauded – the rest of just put on our coats and left.
I have no spent one penny on any of Cameron's Avatar merchandise and never will.
Look, when the "good" Marine Jake Sully was spying on the Na'vi for "evil" Marine Col. Quaritch and "greedy" company man Selfridge, Scully spoke about "loading bearing" structure for the giant tree.
Hmmm…
Doesn't that remind you of that recording of Osama bin Laden talking, as an engineer, how the "iron structure" of the World Trade Cennter towers would collapse when set afire.
Four legs good, two legs bad
C'mon people Mr. Cameron is our benevolent moral / intellectual superior.
He's just trying to save us from ourselves as he selflessly and reluctantly endures our bleating from his
multi-million dollar abode, high above the smog and flatulence of the proletariat.
Save us Mr. Cameron….save us!
I did see the movie in 3D and the visuals were stunning. But the story was a boring, anti-American pile of filth. Besides, I saw this movie before, when it was called Pocahontas, and again when it was called Dances with Wolves, and yet again when it was called The Matrix. Cameron is a cheap rip off artist and he is getting away wtih it.
Maybe I missed it in the article. What's that pile of trash fourth photo down?
RedLetterMedia gave a great review of this movie. Absolutely hilarious and very fair overall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA.
Typical liberal, just make it up as you go along. It's it's inevitable when everything you say, do and believe is based on "feeeeeeeeeelings" instead of things like principles or logic.
He'll never get a cent from me for any of
his sh*tty product ever again. Screw him.
so Cameron is trying to have it both ways, eh?…
He always has. The military both fascinates- and upsets- this Canadian refugee. So, while he loves the gear he distrusts their uses, ergo the conflict.
Make sense?
I will give Cameron an environmental nugget he can gnaw on that I learned as a conservative activist- The major polluters of the world are the governments of the world and the number one government pollution in the world is low grade radioactive waste. Maybe that will give Cameron an idea for his next movie- Environmentar, Less Government Means Less Nuclear Waste. PS Cameron: I am not "p_o_", I just don't "get it" because, after all, I am a constitutional conservative, and according to your value pac, to stupid to "get it."
"When did nature ever get to fight back in a movie?"
Let's see. The Narnia movies, The Lord of the Rings trilogy. You know just to throw down a few.
Good question. I think it was 13 UN resolutions in 12 years. That's not including the last ultimatum we gave him on the eve of the war.
G o o d
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Is Cameron all that unusual? I've known tons of folks who combined a laughably primitive social/political world view, which in most cases had formed in adolescence and never evolved beyond that immature stage, with an astonishing and evergrowing handle on certain technical skills. Isn't that Cameron?
Dude, I dunno if you've figured this out just yet, but Big Hollywood is a website providing a forum for various writers to comment on these things called motion pictures. Specifically, the pundits here at BH are critiquing motion pictures…or 'movies' in the popular vernacular…from a pro-American/center-right stance. Just figured I'd give you a heads up.
Now that you're all caught up with the basic plot, let's run down a few specifics. What is the biggest grossing movie of the year? That would be 'Avatar'. Is the director of 'Avatar' a mouthy leftist with a penchant for lying about the ideological basis of his giant overblown turd of a movie? Why yes, yes he is. Are we seeing a pattern here yet, sparky?
You've got a whole bunch of reasons why John Nolte has decided to address James Cameron and 'Avatar' on this website. Funny how none of the reasons I've just alluded to have anything to do with the penis envy you bring up. In fact, the first person who decided to talk about dicks in this thread is you.
Sorry I had to be the one to tell you this, but there you go.
By the way… in many ways nature has already fought back in previous Cameron films. That theme was *very* prominent in "The Abyss", and although it were underwater extraterrestrials controlling the ocean at the end of the film (mega-tsunami), it was meant as a substitutional symbol of nature warning mankind of its destructive behavior, explicitly implied by the aliens in the film. And what is the alien xenomorph in "Aliens"? Isn't it the most nightmarish embodiment of nature fighting against the human? What is the alien queen fighting back against Ripley for destroying the alien eggs if not a twofold embodiment of the darkest form of nature plus the most *natural* thing in the universe: procreation? What is the queen in "Aliens" if not the dark version of "Avatar"'s Eywa? Aren't the human protagonists in the "Terminator" films representing nature fighting an iconic battle against the machines who have destroyed (or will destroy) the world? Isn't the Titanic a symbol of man conquering nature with technology, and isn't the iceberg a symbol of nature's antagonistic and destructive force?
It seems that Cameron doesn't know his own movies. What an idiot.
I know, I know. "Former" marines.
Yup.
Yet, the movie makes a point, with the very opening lines, of stating that once a marine, always a marine.
It also shows Sulley considering the troops at the station, and the commander, to not only be typical examples of what he cherished, expected, and valued in a marine, but in some cases considered them to be above average.
…and they were later all shown to be sociopathic, order-following robots.
In a mostly CGI movie where every thing in the story and screen were choen by the storywriter, producer, director, and editor (Cameron) ….
I heart you.
Please forgive me: I saw "The Happening"….and laughed through most of it.
So many plot-holes….wait, no – I can't go down that road or I'll get upset again that I saw it.
He's my new favorite movie reviewer.
I think we're forgetting all about the 1950s atomic-bug flicks: the giant spiders, the giant ants, the killer trees, the giant squid in "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea."
I mean, C'MON!! Nature's scored far more goals than Cameron gives credit.
When did nature fight back?
Iceberg vs. Titanic anyone?
Pompeii comes to mind as well. Nature has been beating us senseless since the human race began. Cameron might know how to make a movie but his grasp of history is non existent.
Last time I checked there were no lines………
of people waiting to leave the GOOD OLE USA…..
FUNNY THE SAME REGIMES THAT THE HOLLYWOOD ELITES PATRONIZE……..
WOULD TOSS THEIR ARSES IN A GULAG RE-EDUCATION CAMP……….PDQ.
Ya know, I just don't even care anymore. I say this – Cameron, I hope you get run over by a train while you're being butt-humped by a water buffalo on meth.
And I hope your entire estate gets repo'd, Madoff-style, while you're standing on the tracks, watching and grimacing in agony as the train approaches.
At least the press remains consistent. This is a repeat of the press treatment of Pixar's "Wall-E". How many reporters called out the Pixar guys on the fact that their in your face anti-consumerist themed movie was done by a corporation that is one of the biggest producers of consumer toys and little useless nick nacks in the world? Only one. The interviewer at the left wing British Guardian. What this tells me is that the Guardian's reporter was an authentic unapologetic leftist, while US reporters generally represent news organs attempting to maintain the fiction of neutrality, allowing hypocritical fools to maintain their "power to the planet" street cred.
If "unobtanium" *snicker* were SO valuable, do you think the Chinese would have bothered to establish schools and hold off a few years before direct military action? Do you think they would have considered how bad killing indigenous peoples would have looked to the public back home? Do you think they would have spent money to come up with a version of "Sully" to attempt to understand and negotiate? Would they have bothered to go to "hometree" and shoot gas first? If they had done so, would they then have shot at the tree like the ex-Marines did, or would they have mowed down the Na'vi as soon as they started chucking arrows back at them. D'ya think?
Here's another one off the top of my head. Cloverfield.
I believe that's supposed to be the pile of garbage left behind from our selfish ultraconsumerist ways.
Jaws, Orca.
All very excellent points.
Cameron could have solved this anti-military business by having Jake Sully point out that all these "Marines" were fresh out of doing time in Fort Leavenworth, in other words, a bunch malcontents, hacks and sociopaths that the actual Marine Corps kicked out with dishonorable discharges. These fictional Marines are nothing like the real thing.
Godzilla.
May I channel Rahm Emanuel for a moment?
James Cameron is an Avatard.
Even the Satanists (Believers in false teachings) know the end is near, Revelations is unfolding before our very eyes, the last bastion of freedom is falling into the abyss of feeling guilty for being honorable, because the lost souls perceive the defenders of freedom as "Killing/depriving those like them, their friends, frolicking in the gardens of their immorality, bonding with the serpents of excitement (There is nothing more invigorating than capturing a rattlesnake with your bare hands, unless of course, it is SPITTING IN TO THE FACE OF GOD, that thrill, empties your soul, either one is quite a challenge!!! The Lawless (Those aspiring to rewrite the "Laws of Nature" (As if, they were God)) are the true aliens of nature and it's laws, governing humankind, scribed by a higher power (Beyond mans control (God))!!! That's just the way it is and the way it will be, the stage is set for the finale!!!!
Here we go again. ( Cue " Chris Wallace" eye-roll ) Yet another hit piece on James Cameron and Avatar. Nolte , really , what's with all this penis envy you have with Cameron. It's pretty obvious. Maybe you can release that little video of yours on the internet . In 3D. " Beautiful Loser." Interesting title , Nolte. What does the title refer to? I certainly see the "loser" in you. But not the "beautiful" part. Keep up with the Avatar bashing. I always like a good laugh.
That's an interesting thought….put the Chinese in place of the US "ex-Marines" in Avatar and imagine what they would've done to the Na'Vi. Or what just about any other non-Western military force would have done for that matter.
Cameron tells you what the film is about when he has the villain say something like "How does it feel to betray your race?" Note, not species, which would have been correct, but race, and we all know what race he's talking about. . Liberalism is now, and has been since it was taken over by the New Left in the late 60s, a white-hating, West-hating racist movement and this article typifies the gyrations that so-called conservatives will go through in order to avoid acknowledging that fact. If the results weren't so tragic it would be sad to see people debase themselves this way. When you grovel before the bully long enough people begin to think you deserve to be abused. This is why conservatism is a political failure and always will be. Politics is war by another means and nobody follows wimps into battle for long.
Leftos always like to claim that we're the bad guys, but seriously, is there any other military on the planet that will treat you better?
Cameron should swim with the turds.
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Up front – I enjoyed Avatar. It has great visuals and is what you would call a terrific movie experience. That said, you walk out knowing two things:
1. Cameron is a technical genius.
2. Cameron is a marketing genius.
Everything about this movie was designed, not to tell an original or moving story, but to separate the masses from their dollars. The story and characters are all ideal for translation to action figures in happy meals. And he created a movie which he knew would get the kind of love from the group of press/culture/blogger folks that it would need to make it a mega ATM.
When he was challenged over some of the more anti-American or anti-Military facets of the movie which could actually hurt the bottom line, he danced around the truth. I do believe him when he said he might do some things differently – but not because he thinks he is wrong. He would change things only if he believed that it would sell more tickets.
We need to get beyond all the lies and posturing. Avatar is a great way to spend a couple of hours. But "Best Picture?" meh.. Best Original Screenplay? are you kidding me? It is just a summer blockbuster which was released against zero competition. Again – Cameron is a genius.
I think you've got it covered. Cameron's real agenda has nothing to do with the environment. The fact that he lives in a mansion and makes billion-dollar-grossing movies tells you all you need to know about the man and his beliefs. It's all about the $$. I'd respect him more if he'd admit that he's a capitalist stooge – but that's part of his marketing genius. Marketing himself as an environmental and political good guy. And the fact is, most of the movie-going public don't care who or what he is. They just want to be entertained.
What? Cameron has never seen "FROGS"?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068615/
It´s an unforgettable movie, but for all the wrong reasons.
So Cameron, instead of "living with less" like the rest of us, will simply make sure he has the right values and
attitudes. How obvious.
The shocking thing is how uninformed he is even about basic economic and environmental issues. Landfills, for example, don´t take up much area and are not an environmental problem at all if they are well managed. Garbage in the ocean, bad. Garbage in landfills, no problem.
And natural resources have of course nothing to do with wealth, if wealth is defined as "absence of poverty which kills people". Nigeria is rich in resources. South Korea isn´t. What creates wealth is what Cameron´s at war with: Our technological consumer-driven culture, to be precise. Cameron´s idea of "wealth" is one only wealthy people can afford to have.
We all love an unspoiled landscape and we want to protect it, too. But most of us cannot survive in it without the full power of civilization backing us up. Not even movie directors going on 60.
"…like the German journalist who told Cameron during a recent media conference that the film seemed like the story of the Taliban told from the movement’s point of view. He finds that kind of literalism “egregious” and “willfully ignorant of the power of allegorical storytelling.”
As I predicted several times in my comments here: what do you Avatar-defenders think people around the world will see? They will see Americans as bad guys. Now I expect you will change tack and say, well, so what, America sort of deserves it, blame Bush. Because that´s how you weasels operate.
Amen. Let´s not forget the no-fly zones (halfheartedly designed to protect the population) which were supposed to be enforced by the "world community", but by the mid-1990s it was only us and Britain. We had a bombing campaign against Iraq in 1998 and we routinely bombed Iraqi sites when they shot at our aircraft. We had the first shock of discovering the advanced state of the Iraqi atomic weapons program and we had no idea what they were doing after 1998 in that regard. Then there were the sanctions and Saddam´s infamous "dead baby parades".
And by 2002, all of that was called "peace".
The Jurassic Park movies. The Fly. War of the Worlds (it struck at the Martians).
Never been a big Cameron fan, but I've probably seen a couple of his films over the years. He's rendered himself radioactive AFAIC now. In the future, I'll be going out of my way to ensure I'm not subsidizing this man with any business.
"Even the trees walked in that movie!" -Randal
I never thought I would long for the day of Peter Jackson's exercises in excess.
Isn't an Iceberg part of nature? And one sink a big ship full of evil rich people?
Obama will pronounce "Colonel" as "Colon-l" Just give the guy a chance!
Leave it to hollyweird to make an anti-Marine, anti-war movie, all while we are knee deep in a 'just' war. (so says the Nobel prize winning Obama)
I also think that voting for Cameron's ex-wife and her movie the 'Hurt Locker', would be an excellent way to smite the Marine basher.
29 only? Hardly – look at the Japanese movies like Godzilla, even our own American version – where nature fights back. It's a consistent them in hundreds of movies – most that rate at or below the bottom of the trash can in quality and acting. Sad, but true.
Look, Cameron has a personality disorder — media wh0re. He'll say anything to garner attention. He doesn't have to be accurate. He doesn't need to be consistent. He doesn't even need to make sense. He'll say whatever his dark little heart thinks is "clever," and the fawning media will do the rest. Just ignore him.
They should of strapped this pinko on to the Ikes catapult and sent him into oblivion.
"When did nature ever get to fight back in a movie?"
Many movies have already been pointed out, but truth is nature "fights back" all the time in real life too. A few more recent memory times come to mind:
Haiti earthquake
Tsunamis in the Asian Pacific
Huricane Katrina
and the list goes on for millenia…
I hope this link works. Extremely funny.
http://autotelic.com/avatar_-_the_metacontextual_...
Cameron looks like any other bad-actor (politician) trying to defect criticism until well passed his payoff date.
what a moron.
People are very affected by this kind of movie that they say it's copy cut movie.
If the movie is very copy cut and don't sell —- No words from you guys…….
If the movie sell Billion Of US Dollars —- So many negative comments just to give negative feedback from moron people.. wahahahaa……
Dude, really? you're pro-eugenics now because that worked so well for the first 50ish years of the 20th century. no problems at all with that concept.
and to answer your question, Na'vi are clearly rational agents, and as such deserve to be treated with moral respect.
how is the money ill-gotten? HOW!?!
The only excess Peter Jackson's guilty of is excess in detail–and given that "The Lord of the Rings" is a trilogy of epic adventure movies, in what way is that bad?
To me, "Avatar" was a masterpiece. Not because of it's message, or because of it's special effects, which really can't compete with some video games, but because it was an adventure. I mean, seeing someone's imagination come to life like that was amazing. It was almost like I was on Pandora myself. Avatar gave me what I look forward to in video games like "Borderlands" and "Fallout" in the form of a movie. It was really astonishing. And they had everything, floating mountains, unique wildlife, crazy plants, dangerous beasts, religion, action scenes.
And okay. Let's say that is WAS a copy of Pocahontas. Would you really rather watch Pocahontas? Give me a break. If you can make something better, then I say DO IT.
But all of this isn't to say that things like character development and well-written dialogue aren't needed. But everything else was so amazing, that I honestly didn't notice those flaws until just now.
Face it, critics: Avatar was an amazing film. Stop talking out of your ass.
"and to answer your question, Na'vi are clearly rational agents, and as such deserve to be treated with moral respect."
Dead wrong. Rational agents simply mean that they can THINK and ACT with a fair amount of intelligence in virtually any action they take. And in terms of sentient beings that means jack all. To invoke Godwin when it is REALLY justified, the Nazis, Soviets, Communist Chinese, Bismarckean German Empire, Spanish Empire, Aztecs, and a countless slew of other unpleasant people were RATIONAL ACTORS. They were not PERFECTLY rational actors, obviously, but that is because there is no SUCH THING as a completely rational actor that we have ever encountered, and the Na'vi- justified or not- are not one. It is just that the "rationality" of the Bismarkeans Imperials, the latter day Spanish Empire, etc was one that saw the forceful extermination of large populations (think Nambia and WWI Eastern Europe) as entirely justified if it continued the dominance of THEIR race/nation/whatever they were calling it that particular decade. ANd they did so LONG after armed resistance of any kind had ended, and it was done by and large without the opposition of their publics.
And this is before we get into the truly warped world of the Nazis, Soviets, early CCP, and Aztecs, where they viewed the universe in a fairly cohesive and rational way, only with grossly irrational prejudices that distorted that universe (which was why the former two generally went out of their way to deny "false science" that did not fit their worldview). At the very least the Aztecs could claim they had no effing way to test things out without actually stopping the sacrifices, which is something that no sane leader, believing what they believed, would do.
Whatever moral respect a side obtains is based purely on their actions, whatever extenuating circumstances there may be (brainwashing, coercion, etc), and their level of sentience.
Actually, you have gotten much of it right save for the source, namely the idea of the world police. The entire issue is that the dynamics of power favor large groups trying to keep things orderly and either preserve or expand their ideology. Sometimes, there is only one world policeman (Britain in the early 19th century, the US shortly after the fall of the USSR), sometimes there are competing world policemen/claimants to that position (UK VS Germany WWI/WWII, the West- and Britain in particular- VS. the Soviets, the US VS the Soviets in the Cold War).
But given technology as it exists and the nature of power dynamics, there has to be SOMETHING on the top. And while I agree that it is a pain in the a$$ burden to be the world police, it is far, FAR better for us to be it than for any potential substitute save India and the EU (where it would merely be FAR better), such as the CCP, the Russians, the Islamists, Indonesia, etc.
Unfortunately, apparently preventing the rise of powerful despotisms with evil visions is now just predatory imperialism. This is not new (how many people talk about how Imperial Germany, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Ottoman Turkey, the USSR, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan etc, etc, etc ,etc were "justified" in their motives and behavior), but now our enemies can manipulate it on a grand scale, as we see in the UN and in the Western media.
Now, let us assume that you are correct as for the motive. Fine and dandy. But have you ever actually ADDRESSED THE POINTS THEY HAVE BROUGHT UP or PROVIDED EVIDENCE? No? Didn't think so.
Come back when you can argue straight.
Idiot.
Firstly, I agree about the special effects guys (who REALLY earned their paychecks), and I would even offer the actors themselves onto that list, but the rest of your post has serious issues.
"And okay. Let's say that is WAS a copy of Pocahontas. Would you really rather watch Pocahontas? Give me a break."
I, for one, would. Because Pocahontas had a far, FAR better script than Avatar did, and while it has historical "issues" to boot that I cannot help but notice, how can much compete with classics? All you have to do is listen to "Savages" to realize how superior in storytelling Pocahontas is to Avatar.
" If you can make something better, then I say DO IT. "
Will try once an annoying impediment called 'life" deigns to get out of the way.
"But all of this isn't to say that things like character development and well-written dialogue aren't needed. But everything else was so amazing, that I honestly didn't notice those flaws until just now."
I honestly either envy or pity you, and I cannot tell which. Because even if we DO strip away all the political bombs Cameron added just because he could, the dialogue STILL is unnatural and downright forced, which is ESPECIALLY glaring since this film has been in the works for so long (what? Did Cameron not look at his script at some point in the umpteen years it existed prior to shooting and not realize how poor his dialogue was?). No characters, no plot, no movie, just blurring pictures on the screen and sound. It isn't even a master propaganda piece from what he was aiming at, given how badly botched the dialogue and script were,
"Face it, critics: Avatar was an amazing film. Stop talking out of your ass."
Very, VERY disputable. And not just on ideological grounds.
I agree with most of what you say, but while Cameron is indisputably a guru technical and marketing genius, his scriptwriting has gone downhill to UNBELIEVABLE levels. Seriously, if he were any less of a technical/marketing guy or if he lacked his reputation, he would be on skid row right about now.
If I don't like it, that makes it anti American.
go limbaugh!!!!!!!
I wanna suck on ann coulter's adam's apple.
you becha.
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