REVIEW: Cameron’s ‘Avatar’ Is a Big, Dull, America-Hating, PC Revenge Fantasy
by John NolteAbsent from the big screen for over a decade now, Oscar-winning director James Cameron returns armed with a reported half-billion dollars, a story he’s been desperate to tell for 15 years, and the very latest in cutting-edge visual technology. The result is “Avatar,” a sanctimonious thud of a movie so infested with one-dimensional characters and PC clichés that not a single plot turn – small or large – surprises. I call it the “liberal tell,” where the early and obvious politics of the film gives away the entire story before the second act begins, and “Avatar” might be the sorriest example of this yet. For all the time and money and technology that went into its making, the thing that matters most – character and story – are strictly Afterschool Special.
What a crushing disappointment from one of our most original and imaginative filmmakers.

Set in 2154, “Avatar” is a thinly disguised, heavy-handed and simplistic sci-fi fantasy/allegory critical of America from our founding straight through to the Iraq War. Sam Worthington is Jake Sully, a paraplegic Marine Corporal sent to the planet Pandora after the untimely death of his brother. In a plot-thread built up to promise much that never pays off, Sully has none of the training his brother benefitted by: years of schooling in the Avatar Program to prepare him to infiltrate the indigenous species of Pandora called the Na’vi, who are the only things between Earth’s RDA (Resources Development Administration) and a precious energy resource “ironically” called Unobtainium.
Because the air on Pandora is toxic to humans, the RDA developed the Avatar Program to create clone-like avatars from both Na’vi and human DNA (which is why they need the untrained Sully) that allow for a human to transfer their consciousness into the 10-foot native blue beings and safely explore the planet. The scientists want to use the program to study Pandora, the military wants to conquer it, and the RDA wants to strip mine it. At first Sully’s unconcerned with these dueling tensions and agendas. Once a marine always a marine, and when his commanding officer, the beefed up genocide-happy Col. Quaritch (Stephen Lang), asks him to infiltrate the Na’vi and do recon for a probable attack, Jake is more than ready. Hoo-rah.
But before you can say I’ve seen this movie a thousand times before, Jake enters his Na’vi avatar and in a tired action scene straight out of the “Jurassic Park” trilogy, gets lost in the dangerous Pandoran forest only to be rescued by something else he’d like to enter, the beautiful (if you go for ten-foot tall gaudy blue females) Neytiri (Zoe Saldana) – a walking cliché of the tough, earthy, compassionate, oh-so wise love interest who can somehow speak English … but in that halting way that’s so gosh darned endearing.
And so begins the real Cliché-A-Thon…
***SPOILERS COMING***
Does Neytiri just happen to be the Chief’s daughter? Check! At first, does the tribe not trust Sully and want to kill him on the spot before Neytiri intervenes with wise explanations as to why it’s their tribal custom to take in strangers as one of their own? Chuh-eck! Is Sully then immersed in the native culture and put through a series of tests to prove his worthiness beginning with the sort of clumsiness that brings hoots of derisive laughter from the male warriors but endears him to Neytiri? Double check! Does Sully eventually become one of their strongest warriors and on the day he’s to be initiated as a full member of the tribe—GOD this movie’s tedious.

There’s nothing wrong with a simple, boilerplate plot. They’re boilerplate for a reason. But within that well worn template complicated characters involved in complicated and surprising relationships are an absolute necessity, and this is where “Avatar” fails miserably.
Within 15 minutes, the “liberal tell” spoils every story beat of Sully’s character arc. He’s as dull a protagonist as you’ll ever see. Sigourney Weaver plays a gruff-talking, cigarette smoking scientist with … wait for it, wait for it … a heart of gold. Giovanni Ribisi’s sweaty weasel of a corporate executive never moves beyond that and Col. Quaritch is all ‘roid rage, no humanity and his Big Speech about the necessity of “a pre-emptive attack to fight terror with terror” was as surprising as Cameron‘s use of a military “shock and awe” campaign to level the Na’Vi’s precious “Home Tree” as a tacky metaphor for the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center.
Oh yeah, he went there…
In supporting roles, Michelle Rodriguez and Joel Moore bring a whole lot more to their underwritten roles than the film deserves — you’d like to spend more time with them — but it’s always back to the film’s dullest characters: the one-dimensional Na’vi. You would think that with 15 years and a half-billion dollars, Cameron could come up an alien species that doesn’t drip with every Indian and African sacred-cow cliché imaginable. These are creatures who worship the Great Mother Eywa, have a sacred relationship with the earth, shoot bow and arrows, ride horse-like animals, whoop it up in battle, and talk like this: “It has only happened five times since the time of the first songs of our ancestors.”
The Na’vi also apologize to animals after killing but before butchering them. So I guess that’s okay. Maybe if Quaritch had gotten on the loudspeaker and spoken a little mumbo-jumbo before dropping a daisy cutter on Home Tree all would be forgiven.
On top of that, the Na’vi are an awfully stupid species. After years of dealing with the “Sky People,” for some reason they still haven’t figured out that arrows are useless against giant military aircraft. And is it okay to mention how hard it is to keep track of who’s who, because the Na’vi, uhm … all look alike? Twice I was sure Sully’s avatar had been killed. Twice I was disappointed.
Cameron’s brainchild tribe is boringly perfect and insufferably noble … I wanted to wipe them out.

Visually “Avatar” doesn’t break any new ground. It looks like a big-budget animated film with a garish color palette right off a hippie’s tie dye shirt. Never for a moment did I believe the Na’vi or the world of Pandora was something organic or real. The fairly pointless use of 3-D certainly doesn’t help, but Steven Spielberg’s sixteen year-old dinosaurs are light years ahead of “Avatar” in the reality department.
The one thing Cameron has always done well is to create busy, energetic, brilliantly choreographed action scenes that allow the audience to follow what’s going on. That’s not a small thing because it’s becoming a lost art in Hollywood as more and more filmmakers lazily trade coherence for the artless shaky-cam and hyper edits. And while none of Cameron’s big battle set-pieces is ever able to overcome the “liberal tells” pre-ordained outcome and create a sense of suspense or peril, at least you don’t get lost in the precious wonder of it all.
Think of “Avatar” as “Death Wish 5” for leftists. A simplistic, revisionist revenge fantasy where if you freakin’ hate the bad guys (America), you’re able to forgive the by-the-numbers predictability of it all and still get off watching them get what they got coming.
And if Cameron is able to make a profit spending a half-billion dollars on a little liberal bloodlust, more power to him.
UPDATE: More on “Avatar” vs. “Jurassic Park” here.





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Bullshit. FOX produced it. DId you see it? Why must everything get politicized
Hilarious!
Hope Cameron loses his shirt on this.
Another Hollywood coincidence year : TWO animated films about baaaaaaaaaaaaad old military trying to take over a paradise planet …what are the odds?
"Liberals Hate America" is pretty much the entire point of this site.
I will not see it.
Isn't this just the same thing as Dances With Wolves? Some new idea…"thud"…is right.
No, no… It's "Hollywood hates America…" that's the point. And to back it up I offer in evidence this half-billion dollar propaganda machine.
Well, if libs didn't always $#!t on this country every five seconds, maybe we wouldn't say that!
Dances with Smurfs!
"Dances With Wolves" is a wonderful film. Sure it's touchy-feely and liberal, but it has heart and warmth and great characters. And it's not as PC as everyone remembers…
The Whites aren't portrayed as the only threat to the tribe. There's another INDIAN tribe out to exterminate Dunbar's friends, as well.
Presenting that reality — that there were INDIANS as ugly and predatory as the worst of the whites — is a very important statement in the film that its critics on our side don't give enough credit to.
Could you look into using Spoiler Alerts next time? Seriously.
Faux News produced it? Was Roger Ailes or Sean Hannity involved? Talk about politicizing everything.
The trailer gives it all away. Evil warriors attack peaceful species to get their minerals so that Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney can buy more polo ponies.
No wonder Cameron has been out of the business for so long. If this is his swan song, I'll just put Terminator in the BluRay and remember when the guy could tell a story and not preach to me.
Reverend Cameron, go jump in a pristine lake cleaned by the American DEQ and EPA.
You sir, are a political hack. The movie rocks and you will eat crow big time you idiot. Talk about being biased…you make me ill. James Camaeron is KING OF THE WORLD.
The amount of hype Avatar is generating ("This movie is SOOO groundbreaking and IMPORTANT James Cameron spent $500 mil and took 15 years to make it!!! OMG DON'T MISS IT!!!!") was the "tell" for me – this movie's gunna stink on ice. Nolte's review confirmed what I already suspected.
I'll pass.
Don't see it then. Go watch O'Reilly & Beck instead.
verything must be politicized. Art is an arena of power that the right has ceded to the left for too long. I've little doubt had this film depicted vicious muslim terrorists getting what they deserved after a terrorist attack you or your ilk would have the same reaction to it as we have to this. Not my money.
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Oh right, I forgot the Hollywood bit for a moment there. I stand corrected.
I still plan to see the film; being a techno-geek I'm more interested in effects technology than the story of these types of films anyway.
wow that's original.
Did Cameron use his own money, or somebody elses?
There is no way he'll earn back what he spent on it. Think of all the independent films that could have been made with what Cameron wasted.
The only thing these pinkos understand is losing money – let's make this the biggest loser!!!
I can't wait to see this movie. Your review is irrelevant and biased. Have you seen the other reviews from bonafide film critics? Yes, you & perhaps a few of your right wing friends will not like it but other then that it looks like Cameron has a huge hit on his hands.
"Why must everything get politicized"
Ask the filmmakers and actors who use every movie and acceptance speech to wag their fingers at America and sanctimoniously preach the leftist gospel.
This looks like a 21st century Smurf movie. I wouldn't watch it even if they paid me.
Marxism leads to bad art, due to its inherently didactic nature. As has been said, the trailer disclosed the familiar liberal plot. I would only suggest that liberals would like to think of themselves as the creatures, vanquishing their moral inferiors, the conservatives. Total Recall worked the a very similar theme, but the plot was more interesting until the cheezy ending.
It's a download…
He purposefully made a shitty movie just to screw Rupert Mudock.
I wish I could make a movie about the Hollywood hating America crowd. I'd call it " And Then Their Were None". Forgive me Agatha Christie.
I should trust some pinko-commie self serving film critic aka "Bonefide" as to how I should spend my money and time? Not this American.
Sounds like every reason I haven't seen a Hollywood movie since the late nineties all rolled into one giant, CGI, crap fest. I'm admittedly interested in the new 3D tech, but I can wait until a real movie maker does something unique with it.
Exactly!!! And If the "moral of the story" isn't to your liking – you can always watch something else. Let the rest of us enjoy this.
Why must everything get politicized?Hmmm….let's see. Maybe because liberal sycophants such as cameron insist on spewing garbage that literally drips with leftist drivel every chance they get. There, answered your question for you.
He just said it wasn't a good movie. What else do you want from a review? John Nolte has reviewed plenty of liberal films that he enjoyed. Check out his "Che" review. If you think this review was about politics you obviously don't have a very good reading comprehension.
Thanks for the warning John, not that I'd give 1 dollar to this dolt anyway
I pictured Smurfs as well. Although the Smurf cartoons are probably much better than this leftwing dreck.
I suppose District 9 was simply a sci-fi movie about aliens and had nothing to do with apartheid right? No such thing as symbolism in movies, right?
So, can we presume you went in expecting America to be criticized and e voila!
Geeze, do we ever have movies we just walk into that we haven't already ahead of time decided are rants against America? If there were no America and you were British you'd be grumbling it was a movie against the grand things the Empire has done to bring civilization to the backwaters of the world. The story line of civilization meets and eats native culture is forever, it's an archetype.
The guy wanted to make the movie when Bill Clinton was President, ya know, before the dark times, before Bin Laden before we kicked Saddam's butt. Get a grip, sometimes a story is JUST A STORY.
Get some conservative hydrocortisone for the oversensitivity and stop sounding like a whiney liberal.
Brilliant!
It was a reference (I'm assuming). Do you know what a reference is?
The trolls are out. Fanboys are a genuine threat to America.
Nice touch. How about being civil? Your vulgarity is a sign of lack of command of the language.
Have a nice holiday.
This movie appears to be long on special effects and CGI, and a little short on story; "All hat and no saddle," perhaps!
BTW, don't desecrate the name
Are you that naive?
YES! Exaclty! Why must everything get politicized??? We agree!
I'd assume that was sarcasm, if not for the foul language. Ever heard of allegory? Symbolism? It used to be taught in high school English classes, and for all I know, it still is. Get off the internet and read your textbook. Learn something.
I doubt I'll see this movie, but I hope it makes billions and billions so Fox can keep the train rolling. Every time a liberal sees this movie, they are enriching Fox. That's just awesomeness.
There sure are a lot of people rushing to defend a movie they haven't seen.
All i know are the previews, some articles and reviews. That's all you guys have to go on as well.
I hpoe it lives up to the hype, but the overabundant product placement is already tiresome.
I am normally a scifi geek. mix it with fantasy, Oh Heaven
but there was something that kept me from getting all hot for this film
Maybe the fact that it was the greatest movie of all time two years ago.
at any rate I lost all interest at "Ubobtanium" oh man really? it was stupid in "The Core" too.
LOL this piece of crap actually has fanboys? Wow.
When the first ads and promos started to come out for "Avatar" I had a strong feeling this was as Cartman named it "Dances With Smurfs". I decided not to pass final judgement on whether to spend time and money seeing it until Mr. Nolte's review. Given Mr. Nolte's verdict, I am taking a pass and refusing to support another piece of anti-US or really in this movie anti-Western Civ piece of crap.
Definitely right ont he trolls, they arebeing herded over here by someone.
"Why must everything get politicized?"
Funny you ask this site that question but you don't ask Hollywood that insists on politicizing all their movies.
In other words, 'shut up and enjoy your propaganda, citizen.'
Yes. thank you — my apologies.
you know, I feel I've seen this movie before… Fern Gully I believe it was called… that one had more entertainment value in the synopsis than I can bet this one has altogether and it was a bleeding-heart indoctrination film by Disney
No, that person was right — i should've included a spoiler warning — been a while since I wrote one fo these and just plain forgot…
Wow, one fairly harsh review of a Hollywood sacred cow and the lefty crap weasels storm the walls. Too bad you clowns couldn’t focus all that rage onto humanities true enemies like Islamo-facism.
I'm still going to see it despite your review. I think you went in looking for things to not like and harped on those a bit much. The "cliche" of the female being the chiefs daughter is a very real homage to the very real Pocahantas. James Cameron has always struck me as Hollywood Right not Hollywood Left but for the most part he has been Hollywood Neutral.
If you want to see an aweful Hollywood Left film go rent The Day the Earth Stood Still remake. I can't imagine Avatar being farther left than that film.
"Can't you just fuckin enjoy a movie without injecting politics into everything?"
Cameron has been interviewed where he said he deliberately injected politics into the movie. Complain to him. If you want Republicans to stop complaining about politics in movies, stop making movies where everyone even vaguely right wing is more evil than a chorusline of Hitlers.
Why do you think this movie is getting all kinds of praise from big liberal movie critics?
There is a reason the South Park guys made a fun of Avatar weeks before Avatar was released. Because it's nothing but cliches.
In the off chance that Norman doesn't get your sarcasm, allow me to clarify: Fox News and 20th Century Fox are completely separate entities within News Corporation. Unless I'm mistaken, Rupert Murdoch does not enforce an ideological litmus test on the products his subsidiaries make, so there's no reason to expect his entertainment subsidiaries to reflect the same world view as Fox News.
I could almost feel the spittle splatter across the computer screen.
he should have made Aquaman instead.
I love how people are rushing to defend this movie, but give no reason why they "love this incredible movie". And note the fact that all the liberals that came to the forum to defend it, resorted to childish name calling to defend their opinion, instead of recognizing that we can all disagree about a movie. Look the fact is, Cameron is gonna lose his shirt on this movie. No movie hyped this much and that cost this much is going to make back a significant amount of money to justify the cost. And anyone with half a brain saw the trailer and went "It's Dances With Wolves in space" (this is not a good thing when you're trying to get people to see your expensive movie). The alien people looked like your typical "insert Native American cliche here" . I'll admit that the CG looks amazing, but I'm not going to spend ten dollars to see a movie that preaches at me about how evil America is. I'll wait to pay a buck at a red box, seeing how Red box is killing Hollywood anyway.
I think I'm going to pop in Aliens and watch a film when Cameron was still a good director.
And PS
About spoiler warnings, no movie with this many paint by the numbers plot points can ever be spoiled, all you need to to is watch a few movies over the last ten years…
South Park called it "Dances with Smurfs"
I wonder if über Hollywood lefties ever contemplate the fact they're able to churn out their allegorical garbage year in and year out because of that "evil" military they all disdain keeps them safe. Or why "The Hangover" grossed $277million and Michael Moore's latest made an abysmal $18million. To listen to them, the wise and powerful Hollywood elite, this country needs to think more like Michigan Fats and to tear down capitalism…but without taking away their overpaid salaries though..can't have that.
…ten foot tall blue trolls that talk like Indians?
I understand what your saying in your piece, John. I, too, was excited about this movie; all the hype, the promise of revolutionary film making, and a visual gem. Only, in reality, to be disappointed by the injection of someone's personal politics is the new status quo in Hollywood. $500 Million to push this is a huge undertaking, it's just a shame we are cartoonishly portrayed as the monsters…again. However, I've sat through liberally sappy films before and I'll do it again. I, for one, can look past the propaganda but it kills the re-watchability (is that a word?) of any movie. Sadly, the last epic blockbuster which showed American as a force to be reckoned with was Independence Day. Can someone make us the good guys again?
It's true – in Hollywood, "Imagination has gone out of style."
I delivered that sentence recently in a mid-level screenwriting class at UCLA, and everyone agreed with me – even the instructor. And no one seemed to think it was any kind of bad news. In fact, all of the students except a couple (me included) admitted they don't have much imagination and have real difficulty coming up with story lines and characters . . . and yet, they wanted to write movies.
Yes none of the peer reviewed liberal critics at the official government endorsed papers minded the massive liberal bias in the film, why should you!
"gets lost in the dangerous Pandoran forest only to be rescued by something else he’d like to enter" …. Great line….made me laugh…
"Presenting that reality — that there were INDIANS as ugly and predatory as the worst of the whites — is a very important statement in the film that its critics on our side don't give enough credit to."
I enjoyed this film for many reasons, especially since it was not COMPLETELY as one sided as one might think.
Oh come on, Cameron admitted he deliberately injected lefty politics into it and made the movie into an out and out critique of the Iraq War. You can't do that and then get pissy when people call you on it. Well I guess you can't, you're a lefty.
[...] Nolte is less than enthused about Cameron’s latest flick: “Avatar” is a thinly disguised, heavy-handed and simplistic [...]
Wow the guy that has seen the movie doesnt like it for a multiutude of reasons, political injection *by the creator not the reviewer* mediocre special effects, uninteresting story, and wooden characters.
The ones that havent seen it are calling him names and going berserk, why I am not exactly sure, is this a movie or a religion?
I agree with Blackhawk12151, who let the trolls out of the zoo today?
Mr. Nolte I agree with the person above. This is a plug and chug plot we've seen a million times. Its like spoiling the ending of a Charlie Brown Christmas special.
the trailers pretty much give away the whole movie.
Didn't his "King of the world" sink to a frozen watery death?
The Na’vi also apologize to animals after killing but before butchering them. So I guess that’s okay. Maybe if Quaritch had gotten on the loudspeaker and spoken a little mumbo-jumbo before dropping a daisy cutter on Home Tree all would be forgiven.
Mr. Nolte – you owe me a keyboard, sir. That was truly funny. I may see this for the CGI – with some serious earplugs perhaps.
I would really watch an acutal smurf movie.. but only if the cat Azrial gets to eat a few of them.
PS to the leftoid trolls swarming this post, Nolte pointed out that the problem isn't so much that this is lefty propaganda, its that its Incredibly badly done lefty propaganda. He and a few of the commentators even give examples of other hard core lefty movies that they enjoy.
Heck one of my favorite movies is Hero and that is quite literally Communist Chinese propaganda.
What a predictable load of propaganda. Its about as subtle as the agitprop movies from the USSR's Mosfilm or the Nazi crap produced by UFA. Stephen Lang and Giovanni Ribisi should be nominated for the worst pieces of overacting ever but, I guess, they just delivered what Cameron wanted. And what he wanted was a film packed with srock characters and cliches, It is so heavy handed that only the brain dead would fall for it and actually think that, apart from the technology, this shameless piece of BS was anything but a a laundry list of Cameron's political causes and agendas. However, you can bet it will get rapturous reviews from the usual suspects who would probably have thought Jud Suss was a masterpiece.
No surprises.I am sad we can't have any politics free safe zones anymore.
I do appreciate your integrity on the matter, but in my personal opinion, a spoiler alert would be redundant to anyone who has seen the trailers.
Meh… I wasn't sure about this movie to begin with… It looked kinda lame… and though I'm all about visual effects and the like… but I like for it to come with a plot and decent dialogue…
Someone must've linked to this article on the Smurfs fan site.
I found the plotline of Titanic to be similarly predictable, and full of liberal "tells"–what a useful new concept, "tells."
Remember Titanic–hot babe has to marry evil capitalist that likes to slap her around. Enter noble, poor Irish immigrant from steerage who not only doesn't slap her, but boinks her ahead of the evil capitalist, and then saves her life. Oh, and did I mention his tragic artistic talent? And the fact that he's Irish? O'Sully?
Cameron must read this site and is sending over his minions.
Sounds just like Tom Cruise's "Samurai" but set in the future.
You're right of course, but I'm thinking "I Love Lucy" reviews don't come with Spoiler Warnings either. Predictability is as predictability does. You were fair about the review I think. You said a boilerplate is just that. The real art of a story is how you tell that same ol' story. I'm guessing that the special effects were used to cloak the fact they didn't bother filling in any of the blanks in their "Let's Tell a Story! Guide for Beginners" format.
It's ironic that the the groundbreaking technology that went into making this movie is the only real highlight of it, and yet, the movie's story is about how bad technology is. Damn those evil corporations for making the tools that let us create "Dances With Smurfs"!
If you're so dumb that you can't predict the entire movie just from watching the trailer, you might want to do the rest of us a favor and go lay down on some train tracks. Remove your retarded ass from the gene pool.
VERY good analogy. and that movie sucked to.
Unobtanium – the AP reviewer called that a wry name. I think I agree with John – idiotic name. It's cute perhaps for a school play or telling the guys, or even a slight dig when you've got everything else truly going for it. Otherwise, it is just a wink – look we did not even bother coming up with anything creative, just shell out the money and get indoctrinated already.
Second that.
I'd be willing to ignore the political aspect of the film it wasn't a total cliche' parade, as Mr. Nolte describes. If you're going to tell me America stinks, you gotta at least be creative about it if you want my ten bucks.
Dances With Wolves for certain….even 'The Paradise Syndrome' with an amnesiac Kirk who gets loved up with the chief's daughter and becomes the tribe's pet project. Cameron is too busy preaching to create anymore….
Hmmm. "I'm as conservative as Genghis Khan…" Somehow I doubt you are conservative. But I'm as liberal as Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Stalin, and King Nebuchadnezzar combined and I was able to understand that Nolte said this was a shit movie even without the America hating.
One I read a short synopsis of this, I knew it was a Dances With Wolves rip-off….
People like you are exactly why movies suck now. "I don't care if the story is cliche, retarded, and pointless – I'm going to see it for the EFFECTS!"
I was just watching the USA network and they showed a commercial on the theme of all of the actors on their network come from different backgrounds but they are all characters. One actor says he is Jewish, one female actor says she is Indian/British/American and so forth. One character stated, "I am a Democrat." I waited for the end of the commercial and not one said they were a republican. I am not surprised. I just thought you would like to know about it.
Hmmm… this movie has gotten the same level of hype as Obama did.
Doesn't inspire me.
Nolte sure sounds like a Hannity-bot!
Throwing the "liberals hate Amercia" against every media item you disagree with is growing cobwebs.
Heh, good to know that this is the crowd I travel with here on the right. So far from what I see the response to anyone critical of the review is precisely the sort of caterwauling you get from the left whenever one of their sacred cows gets gored. Stand back and objectively read the responses to anyone who thinks you might go into the movie and just see it as a movie instead of a comment. Many of the responses to those of us being critical of John's opinion are as narrow minded as responses I'd expect from people on the left of the spectrum.
You observed –
"Cameron admitted he deliberately injected lefty politics into it and made the movie into an out and out critique of the Iraq War". So I went and checked, and yep…sure enough…he did. ""We went down a path that cost several hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives. I don't think the American people even know why it was done. So it's all about opening your eyes."
Be nice if that were provided as substance to an opinion about the movie being political. I'm not much on blindly drinking the Kool-aid, and I don't spend a lot of time checking out people like Cameron to see if he's trying to teach me or entertain me.
John is right, it's political.
I owe him an apology for the hydrocortisone smart ass remark. But people responding would be better served to present evidence instead of acting like liberals and demanding others just get in line and drink the Kool-aid or be labeled as outcasts and leftists for questioning the review.
The Smurf movies were lighter on the leftist doctrine.
But what was up with Gargamel always wanting to make Smurfs into a pie?
YUCK!
Just make sure you don't end up with a different actor for hte sequel..
Aw nuts.
I was so hoping that my low expectations would not be met. *sigh*
Ferngully wasn't made by Disney. It was made in Australia, released by Fox.
ahh guess the character has a smurfette fettish.
Cameron was just so obsessed over the effects that he didn't bother to invest in what makes a person go see a film: good story and good acting. A fatal flaw to those directors who believe so much in their own 'genius', that they abandoned what got them where they are in the first place.
It's like going to a restaurant with a well-known celebrity chef. The chef keeps making more and more exotic, elaborate and expensive dishes trying to maintain his status, and he loses the majority of his customers who want a simple and decent meal.
I'm just picturing all these trolls in their little leftoid hovel. "I know, we'll show those dirty Rethuglicans to not want to see this movie! Trolls Hoooo!"
I would've figured out where the story was going w/in the first 15 minutes anyway. You saved me some money and the old heartache 'n' aggravation.
I finally saw Last Samurai and I don't think it fits all that well if your review relays the plot.
After all, if Sam Worthington's character was involved primarily in a dispute between the traditionalist blue people and the blue people endeavoring to modernize it might actually rise above the level of Fern Gully.
Evening all. The talk is that the movie cost from 300 to 350 million to make. They are spending anywhere from 150 to 200 million on advertising blitzes all over the world (just turn your tv on). So it should be fair to say that the flick cost 450 to 550 million to make, release and promote. Fox hedged their risk on the film by getting outside money involved so that there was no chance of a Heaven's Gate fiasco taking place. It will take Fox a little longer to make any money but it's less risky. From what I've read for every ticket dollar sold .50 cents (I've also seen the figure .45 cents) goes to the producer (Fox et al). So the film (not including pay per view, dvd's etc) would have to make gross box office of between 900 million and 1,100 million. I gather that the movie is a real visual beauty and may be worth the price of admission alone. Having said that and all politics aside, those gross box office break even numbers are pretty high and may be tough to get to. Kind of off topic a bit but thought I'd drop the numbers in.
Mr. Nolte isn't politicizing the review. Any rational person can see that Cameron has politicized the movie. When I read the plot summary a while back, I knew immediately what Cameron was trying to get at – I didn't just now pick it up from reading this review. This looks like a gigantic snore-fest. Everything sounds incredibly generic, from the designs of the Na'Vi, to the plot. Anyone that actually believes this movie is great needs to have some sense knocked into them.
Hope it'll fail – I'm tired of special effects movies -
Maybe if there were trees and plants in the desert to be clearcut, there'd be some outrage. But Islamofascist "clearcutting" other people doesn't bother the lefties.
At least in that ST episode the natives would of been annihilated if not for the intervention of Spock and the crew.
"paraplegic Marine Corporal sent to the planet Pandora" So, who's the audience for this? Thirteen-year-old boys? Oy vey. I can't believe the crap Hollywood keeps churning out.
[...] now I will be walking into the theater unable to divorce my expectations from this headline from John Nolte: “Cameron’s ‘Avatar’ Is a Big, Dull, America-Hating, PC Revenge [...]
Team America did that very well. Stone and Parker seemed to thoroughly enjoy killing all of the Film Actors Guild actors at the end of the movie. Thanks FAG!
Much as I'd love to agree with you, I'm afraid it's not going to happen. People are going to see it because it's Cameron and because it's SFX.
I'd be willing to sit through the leftie porn, but the parade of cliches will probably keep me out of the theater. No matter how good the movie is, If I see a car hit a fruit stand, or two adversaries put down their guns to fight "mono y mono", I want to just get up and leave.
There doesn't seem to be a movie worth watching this Christmas season. Maybe I should make my own, like this guy:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMxTFqPET5I
Duh. MY bad.
A failure on the scale of 'waterworld'…. already plan on saving my hard earned cash.
Who needs yet another sermon from the hollywood pulpit…..i would rather listen to fingernails on a chalk foard.
Why must everything get politicized
Oh the irony coming from a liberal tool whose party has politicized the weather.
It's just when the allegories and metaphors are so obvious they can't be ignored – it gets old. Cameron lost the magic many years ago and I hope he does lose his shirt with this steaming pile. This time won't be buoyed by thousands of idiot teenie boppers that went to lust after DiCaprio.
Another sad entry in the ever growing list of SFX porn.
Too bad. After seeing the second trailer I knew deep inside that it wasn´t going to be very good, but you keep hoping for that rare experience … Make no mistake, though. It´s still going to make a lot of money.
Irony, thy name is liberalism.
I had the same feeling and it didn't get any better when I saw the trailer several times and I knew the story inside out and I didn't have to spend 10 bucks to see it. So here is a advice to everyone download the trailer and watch it several times and you know everything about Heart of Darkness meets the Afterschool special.
They're not going to make that much money off of scenery porn, though, not by any stretch of the imagination. Special effects for effects' sake shouldn't be the primary selling point of a film.
I was hoping this movie wouldn't be quite as predictable as the trailer made it seem. Oh well. This might turn out to be one expensive turkey.
To quote another Cameron film: "Game over, man! Game over!"
Let 'em troll, let 'em troll, let 'em troll.
Oh, John, I am soooo glad to finally read one of your reviews. I miss them. Well done – again.
That being said, your review confirmed my suspicions that this film was no good. In no specific order, my objections from the trailer were (1) what the hell's going on here?; (2) that CGI sucks! I could do better making bunny ears in front of a lamp; (3) if the scientists in this film can transfer a human's mind to an alien, how come they can't heal the human's spinal cord injury?; and last but not least, (4) yuck! Kevin Costner's Indians are BLUE!!!! I think I've made it clear that this trailer did not impress. I had my suspicions. And now Nolte has totally confirmed them (not to mention giving me a great laugh). Thanks for humoring me, John, and also for saving me time and money.
AMEN! Joe Doakes:Everything must be politicized. Art is an arena of power that the right has ceded to the left for too long. I've little doubt had this film depicted vicious muslim terrorists getting what they deserved after a terrorist attack you or your ilk would have the same reaction to it as we have to this. Not my money.
'Or why "The Hangover" grossed $277million and Michael Moore's latest made an abysmal $18million.'
Oh, oh, I know this one! It's because "Hangover" was good adult humor without being over-the-top disgusting and Michael Moore is *always* over-the-top disgusting, amirite?
Well, at least Mr Nolte knows that he can always go back to being a collector, harassing debtors with constant phone calls until they crack, or go into bankruptcy.
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Fox next time you have a thought, let it go.
Let's review. The movie cost something like $400 million, the most expensive ever made. In an era of rampant piracy, downloading, Redbox $1 rentals, and declining ticket sales. In a recession where middle class people are angry, economically pressed, stressed, afraid, and more. With job losses around 8 million or so, officially, and between 15-30 million unemployed.
Cameron's movie tells middle class audiences their lives suck, have no intrinsic value, are worthless and meaningless, and that only "other" noble savages in a non-Middle Class land with alien cultures and customs have any value, meaning, and emotional attachment at all.
Contrast that with "Up" — a celebration of Middle Class America and values, with the hero being an old Middle Class White guy with solid Middle Class values.
My sense is that most of Hollywood's problems are not "political" but rather class leading to political. Cameron has had people worshiping him as a literal god for twenty plus years, no wonder he hates and fears middle class values and people. This is classic Hollywood-itis, social distance creating an inability to even get within shouting distance of middle class values.
This movie is likely to crash and burn. Hard.
Diamond I really don't care what you think. No one really does. Please.
Preferably "into bankruptcy"
I don't even care if it's liberal. I'm not going to sit there for 2+ hours looking at those stupid blue things. Besides, Cameron's last movie sucked rocks.
Looker your in over your head. This debate is above your pay grade. Apparently you didn't get the full brunt of America Bashing anti military hate in the trailer? Or maybe you did but you think because its a "cool" flick we should all just put our feelings that we have been insulted YET AGAIN away because darnit the move is just too important. In the words of my favorite blue collar comic, Ron White, next you have a thought,…let it go. The movie is a big middle finger to everything this naiton stands for and a lot of us don't feel like giving that arrogant narcissist Cameron a dollar of our hard earned money. Instead of helping people with his 500K he made a suckfest.
Its probably Cameron's pr firm. If Blind Side takes the number one spot again I will laugh my head off.
Yeeesh…who did the design on this crap? 7 foot blue house cats?! I wonder what Weta Workshop would have done w/ it…though the tired storyline would still be a snooozer.
Dances with Wolves?
You know, the joke ain't funny if you have to explain it.
Stephen King was working on Under the Dome since who flung the chunk and he still managed to pack it full of anti-Sarah Palin, anti-Iraq War, pro-Obama garbage.
Now can you explain that to Keith Olbermann?
I've seen the word in Star Trek parodies.
FOX spent a total of over an estimated $500 million dollars and all Jim Cameron could do is remake "Dances With Wolves" in space? Hopefully Jim Cameron can add "King of the Box Office Flop" to his resume' with this movie.
Avatar is Cameron's love letter to Obama.
I thought it was sad that you have a genuinely compelling story like the sinking of the Titanic and you have to spice it up with gunplay. Really?
Hero is easily one of Jet Li's best films because the movie focuses on interesting characters and cool fight instead of hamfisted communist propaganda.
Even though it was written 15 years ago and was mostly shot in 2007?
I was actually going to boycott this movie, but after reading John's review, I'm thinkin'…."I'm going SPECIFICALLY to make fun of it."
John's review is so funny, I'm still laughing!!
(Quote by John): Twice I was sure Sully’s avatar had been killed. Twice I was disappointed.
Cameron’s brainchild tribe is boringly perfect and insufferably noble … I wanted to wipe them out.
Nah, I bet he wrote a real one.
Man, the trolls are apoplectic. Sorry guys, the movie appears to be stupid. That’s to bad, I had some hope. Oh well, another movie not to see. While the trolls are flipping out, let me see if I can help …”Sarah Palin.” Maybe by mentioning her name I can push them over the edge…HAHAHAHA…!
Yeah, because Obama would never continue a war or send 30,000 troops anywhere.
John, I just saw an awesome point from one GraceG over to Free Republic. They can clone you into a big blue body but they can't fix a spinal injury? Do they bother to even cover that with dialogue?
Man, I love Sarah Palin! I mean she does have more experience than Barack Obama did when he was elected and probably wouldn't have the deer in the headlights look Obama does now. That one's for the trolls!
This is an America hating, dull, PC revenge fest…which means we should expect a review from Carl Kozlowski sometime soon saying how it's not all that bad because one of the US soldiers was a nice guy in scene 7.
it's liberal because humans are portrayed as bad? Isn't that what limited government is all about–the evil nature of man?
@El Gordo
You're not alone in being disappointed by the Avatar trailers. Here is Adolf Hitler's hilarious review of Cameron's sci-fi, Greenpeace hypefest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAPyipuT-Jg
Did Cameron copyright Unobtainium 15 years ago, because if he did, the writers of The Core owe him money.
Other then that, I'll pass on this piece of leftist/progressive propaganda.
All you will see now from Hollyweird will be Bash America movies because they are like sheep…they climb on the bandwagon..These people havent got an original thought in their lame brains…Cameron made one good movie, and he should have rested on his laurels…but that wasn't good enough…he had to concoct a B.S. story bashing the country that made him a millionaire; that gave him the opportunity to do what he wanted, and what does he do…he defiles the country that made him famous…What a putz! This is a movie I will not see…Why should I give this radical liberal lame brain hollyweird putz money for his coffers so he can bash America again? No not on your life. Enough is enough…I hope and pray that this movie is a bomb…
Welllll, now that you mention it, truth hurts, dosen't it? Just sayin'….liberals DO hate America. Just look how many of them offer to move to another country every election
No, it's a movie. You go ahead and get exercised about it, the country has bigger things to worry about than Cameron's opinions. But it's a pity to see there are as many people on the right that behave as uncivilly as people on the left to folks they don't know. People who are, in fact, their allies.
The Movie is just too important? No, what's important is telling Congress you don't want them deciding your health care, telling them you don't want them handing out options for CO2 to be traded, etc, etc, etc. THAT'S IMPORTANT.
If I want to decide for myself that I will hand Cameron some of MY hard earned cash, that should be up to me, unless you like the idea of telling other people how to spend their money (hint, that would make you a?). It's a business, the marketplace will decide if the movie is a suckfest. If it is, then the money invested will be lost, and Cameron will crater (and presumably you can do a victory dance).
"Next I have a thought…let it go?" What, I don't live in the great country you're worried about? You're going to tell me to get in line, think like you, I'm not free to think for myself?
I'm grateful I have the freedom to choose to see, or not to see the movie. Look around there's a lot of self professed freedom lovers posting there today that seem to want to take that option away by belittling others into thinking as they do.
Good work. Be proud.
Thanks for bringing that up.
You know I am going to see this movie and for no other reason than to tear it apart factually when discussing the film with those who are liberal enough to love it. I live in liberal land (LA) and it makes me happy to tear down the progressive facade whenever possible.
"Rocks"? People still use that one? OK but seriously I see nothing here that isn't shamed by the next generation of PC gaming. Why watch a fanciful cartoon when you can be in one? Also why ignore the technology necessary to move billions of tons through space just to accept that mineral extraction is still done the old fashion way. Or that the blood thirsty humans, wanting nothing more than ye old mineral, haven't the intellect to sterilize the planet from space removing every form of biological which might hamper their goal (we know bacteria do bad things to us right now and bacteria we have no defense from…) before jumping off to the next planetary strip mine? Too difficult to grasp? Try watching a little more Discovery and a little less MTV.
as ace called it
Dances with Smurfs.
That´s the funniest thing I´ve seen in ages.
The reason they can't focus on Islamic extremism is because the overwhelming majority of said extremists aren't white, and the lefties firmly believe that all non-white persons can (nay, should) be hoodwinked into doing their bidding.
I — am — CAMROCK!
As an Indian, I'm ticked off when inane artists depict us as mystical druids that build medicine lodges out of recycled peace and leprechaun shoes. It's clearly, definitively racist, and they are NEVER called on it. Anyone that claims to care about the Cleveland Indians mascot but not this kind of stereotyping is a phony.
As a conservative, my intelligence is insulted by lazy Hollywood types that keep serving up the plot from The Lorax year after year, telling us to conserve resources and treat each other with respect even as they make a fortune off of polyethylene action figures and violent video games.
As someone with a modicum of taste, I don't like big, dumb movies. I don't like Independence Day, for example.
So no, I won't be seeing Avatar.
Alien invaders plunder another society's resources. Is this a movie about immigration?
Well gee you sure told me dintcha? Tell you what go make a movie in China about how they persecute their Christian population and then see what happens. What makes me mad at people like Cameron and his idiotic enablers that'd be you is this: You see nothing wrong with stabbing your own country, what made you in the back and when others are sick n tired of being told we suck by people who really do suck in the true meaning of the word get angry and say it out loud your offended? Get a clue fanboy.
Costner deserves no credit for his portrayal of the Pawnees. The reason the Pawnees are portrayed as evil heavy-metal boys is that the film, in the best Dee Brown fashion, worships the noble Sioux as a godlike race. Therefore all enemies of the Sioux (Pawnees, Crows, et al) are depicted in films as pure evil — for why else would they possibly be killing those poor godlike Sioux? (The movie seems to imply that the dread Pawnees were oppressing the Sioux, instead of the other way around. Check out 1873's "Massacre Canyon" fight for the ultimate masterpiece of bloodthirsty Sioux hatred.)
The "Dances with Wolves" Pawnee obviously deserve extermination and Costner does his best to oblige, becoming in fact the ONLY white character in the film who actually kills any Indians!
The real P.C. crime of the Pawnees and Crows is that they failed to kill enough white people during the Indian Wars and would actually serve as scouts or auxiliaries alongside the whites against the Sioux — who gleefully tyrannized and dispossessed most of the tribes they had contact with and bore no resemblance to the sweetie-pies of Costner's "Kill the Pawnees" epic. Even when Jackie Chan goes West, the Crows are evil killers and the Sioux pure benevolence.
But the buffalo hunt was OK. And we got to see Costner's self-righteous Lt. Dumbbell get his head beaten in a few times…
Uh, John, while I'm a conservative and I agree with a lot of what you had to say (not all of it), but you're letting your bias show when you say that Jurassic Park's dinosaurs were light years ahead of this. Come on, now.
Vic
Fabulous attitude adjustment piece! It took me one loooong week to change my mind about Tiger Woods, and only ten minutes reading your review to decide I never want to see or hear about Avatar, the movie, again. Thank you for one of the best balloon buster reviews I've ever read. I would now rather have a tooth extracted.
My only takeaway from the trailer was wondering how on earth they could get so many dialogue cliches into it.
I almost want to see it just to spend the whole time picturing chubby Eric Cartman in blue facepaint falling in love with smurfette. Did Parker and Stone get an advance screening of this movie or is it just really that obvious from the previews what this thing is about?
I'll guess the latter.
Ah yes, Carl "Kool Aid Drinker" Kozlowski. Remind me again why Nolte lets him write here…
Sorry kids, but Hitler's remarks in the Downfall Parody were right on point: this is Thundercats meets the Smurfs.
Why, why, why with all the money they spent they couldn't come up with a better plot? I think the South Park "Family Guy Manatees" could do something more interesrting.
Hmm, sounds like the movie isn't too far from the truth in actuality…
I am so sick and tired of seeing my beloved country and brothers and sisters in arms trashed by an industry to whom owes its very existance. Keep it up Hollyweird! You people haven't made a dime off of me in over a decade and it does not appear that you will get one in the coming decade. Mr Nolte et al, PLEASE GIVE US ENTERTAINMENT THAT WE WANT! We have much to be proud of here. It is past time for show it on the big screen. And for the trolls, I love my country enough to have damn near died for it. When is it your turn?
Lots of clueless young people will line up to see it – even I am still tempted to go just for the 3D – but I predict an uncommonly high share of the gross will come from foreign markets.
Gross! I didn't catch that at first. Please tell me this movie doesn't feature a CG "scene of sensuality". It's like seeing your favorite childhood cartoon characters doin it! Ach!
I believed the dinosaurs were real, in a organic way … not for a second did i believe Pandora was anything more than a digital creation — it looked like an animated film to me.
Just the truth. Avatar is an animated movie and looks like one.
The Cleveland Indians mascot (apart from the fact that he literally has red skin) is actually LESS stereotypical than Cameron's nonsense since a hugely grinning Indian doesn't really fit the traditional stereotype.
The usual stereotype was of a red man who was stoic and who concealed his grief and other emotions behind his impassively noble countenance.
it's been done. Aliens vs. Predator.
"Could you look into using Spoiler Alerts next time? Seriously. "
It's called a review, dude. The whole point is to be spoiled. If you just wanted to know whether it was good or bad, go to one of those sites that gives you average critic scores. If you want it explained to you how it was good or bad, you will be spoiled.
I watched the same commercial, and my wife said I was over-reacting. One said "I'm a Democrat" and the next (or shortly thereafter) said "I'm from a red state".
There actually are a few conservative and / or republican ( I consider myself the former) actors and addresses available for such a commercial. They couldn't do better than "from a red state."
10 years I served this country that I love and its driving me nuts!
"No, that person was right — i should've included a spoiler warning — been a while since I wrote one of these and just plain forgot… "
All due respect, you're wrong. People who read movie reviews not expecting to be spoiled are morons and deserve what they get. The entire point of reviews, besides giving an overall grade, is to spoil. Otherwise, there would be no text, just a big "thumbs up" or "thumbs down".
"James Cameron has always struck me as Hollywood Right not Hollywood Left but for the most part he has been Hollywood Neutral."
Where on earth did you get that impression? Because the marines in "Aliens" weren't ALL stupid or incompetent?
I have disagreed with Nolte many times in the past — at times I think he's quick to call leftist bull in a film. Sometimes, I even think he's downright contradictory.
But, with Avatar … I don't see how he can be wrong — especially since Cameron has boasted his anti-American agenda in this pic everywhere he's been promoting it.
To go to such lengths to create anti-American propaganda is really a sickness.
Am I to understand that the military and the RDA just want to conquer and strip-mine it for no reason?? Is humanity going to die if this isn't done? I would entertain that dilemma if that was the case. If this all just being done because America is evil, then it's PURE propaganda.
"After all, if Sam Worthington's character was involved primarily in a dispute between the traditionalist blue people and the blue people endeavoring to modernize it might actually rise above the level of Fern Gully."
It need not be as perfect a metaphor as that. Stand the Space Marines in for the Meiji military and the Navi in for the samurai, an there you have it. Allegories don't have to be that specific.
My wife is full-blooded Mexican — she was born in that country, English is her second language — and she feels the same way about simplistic portrayals of Hispanics as well.
Noet I said "Hispanics< and not "her people…" My wife became a US citizen in her 20s and considers only Americans to be "her people."
Man, I love that woman.
I'll just download it when it becomes available on my favorite torrent site. I was looking forward to this movie but it sounds like the same old crap I could see of I had a TV.
It's a shame too, Cameron is a very talented person and I was hoping something better than a Dances With Wolves remake.
Thanks for making me laugh out loud at work!
"Trolls Hoooo!"- I'm going to use that one!
This sounds like Transformers for the lefty, hipster set.
Agreed. Various clans of the Sioux or L'Kota tribe were very blood thirsty warriors and were viciously cruel to those they fought, especially if they won the fight. There were more peaceful Sioux but still not as peaceful as the ones portrayed in Dances with Wolves.
So, it's a rental… ?
Was this reply suppose to make sense? I think you are reaching if you are trying to overlay todays politics on a 20 year old movie and say that is how I made my determination.
Cameron from what I have read and followed and based on his screenplays has never come across as a tree hugging hollywood liberal. He has stayed above the fray and out of the public eye whatever his political views may be. The terminator was not stopped by a flowery speech but by guns and violence and the terrorists in True Lies were Muslim extremists. Hardly an avenue of the Hollywood left.
Speaking of 'cracked' – that's the only way to describe a person who equates an honest review of a film with being a debt collector. Cannon, nice try in attempting to bowl a sarcastic strike – unfortunately, your ball hopped into the gutter long before it reached the pins.
don't forget Cameron's masterful PR work describing his 3 year quest for the perfect animated breast. (I don't know how to tell him that there's thousands of Japanese animators living in their mom's basements who have been working on the same thing for decades)
Shhh you're not supposed to realize that if we really wanted to cause some real damage we wouldn't even allow some piddly little natives have a chance to hurt us. Drop some rocks onto the planet and BLAM! No more pesky natives.
Honestly Sci-Fi is the worst place to put a story like this since as humanity advances if it wants to be cruel it can do so much worse than destroying a single tribe of natives to get some rocks. Especially if we already have the technology to FRIGGIN CROSS THE SPACE BETWEEN STARS! Sheesh.
This movie is almost an advertisement for piracy.
You can have Kevin Costner, I'll take Richard Harris. See "A Man Called Horse" — covers (roughly) the same ground as "Dance with Wolves" — a much better picture.
"I owe him an apology for the hydrocortisone smart ass remark. But people responding would be better served to present evidence instead of acting like liberals and demanding others just get in line and drink the Kool-aid or be labeled as outcasts and leftists for questioning the review."
I do apologize to you, you seem a lot more thoughtful than the average leftroll. To be fair we got hit by a wave of rapid Avatar Leftoid fanboy trolls here so some overreaction was inevitable. My bad!
Well my wife is interested in this movie so I may have to see it. Though with my 1 year old I have a ready made excuse of not seeing anything in a movie theater.
Sully has none of the training his brother benefitted by: years of schooling in the Avatar Program to prepare him to infiltrate the indigenous species of Pandora called the Na’vi, who are the only things between Earth’s RDA (Resources Development Administration) and a precious energy resource “ironically” called Unobtainium.
Who is the head of the RDA Al Gore or Obama?
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I hope you're the "good" Captain Spaulding (the one that said, "we took pictures of the native girls, but they weren't developed…"), and not the one from those Rob Zombie movies.
"As an Indian, I'm ticked off when inane artists depict us as mystical druids that build medicine lodges out of recycled peace and leprechaun shoes."
That is the funniest thing I've read in a long time.
Yes, the Sioux were capable of extreme cruelty to their enemies…and their enemies children. Recommended reading, "Lincoln and the Sioux Uprising of 1862" by Cox. Terrific read, and it will make it very difficult to stomach "Dances with Wolves" again. I still have images of Siouz massacres in my mind from this book, though I read it years ago. Curiously, there were a few noble Sioux in this horrible event –those who had converted to Christianity. Great book about Abraham Lincoln as well.
Yeah yeah another America's evil movie. I'll pass.
I love the fact that a civilization that can apparently accomplish faster-than-light travel has an energy crisis. Even if they were just pushing lightspeed…was there no one on Cameron's staff to point out to him how much energy that takes? I mean, what did the ship use for a fuel tank? Neptune?
another piece of s### i cant wait to not see——–
Yay! a John Nolte review. I remember you saying you were looking forward to this one so it must have been disappointing. I'm disappointed this wasn't at least a little bit good because I find Sigourney Weaver to be an appealing actress and I probably would have seen it if it had seemed even mildly entertaining, but character and plot were the only things that were going to get me to see this; I don't understand the appeal of animated action movies anymore than I understand the appeal of animated dancing of any kind. The point of action and dancing is watching real human bodies do things. I don't mind somewhat enhanced action, but at least try to fake me out and convince me a real person is doing stuff, struggling to accomplish something, exerting themselves with passion of some kind. This whole movie sounds passionless.
All predictable. I told my wife the story from the trailer alone. A guy on a local website I comment on said that he couldn't wait to see the movie because it seemed like a good way to escape from reality for a few hours. I had to break his heart and tell him that this wasn't an escape from reality, but a display of Cameron's view of reality. He mocks my comment saying that I take it too seriously and then mocks me by saying Titanic, Aliens, and Terminator 2 didn't have any politics in them. I couldn't help but tell him about the anti-wealthy, anti-corporation, and anti-military advancements in each movie, respectively. Perhaps he'll still see the movie and perhaps he'll finally see what I was talking about and perhaps that will lead him to reconsider the other movies and open his eyes. But he seemed like a liberal, so probably not.
I saw a preview in 3D, and frankly you better be sitting in the back of the theater. I sit in the hanidcap seats and I was dead center. By the time it was over I had a splitting headache. The screen is way to "busy"
I would have to see it at a theater had has handicap in the very back. Those front row seats are gonna leave the people sick by the end of the movie
Does anyone else think Cameron wrote this to have as many left-wing cliches as possible to make the studio heads not feel as guilty about signing over a half billion dollars of their company's money?
I saw previews of this at the last movie I went to see. I was bored silly by the trailer alone, can't imagine enduring 2 hours of the entire thing. Won't be seeing it.
Don't need to see it. I have Disney's "Pocahontas" on tape.
You know how you go on some sites and you have extreme Christians spouting off nonsense that makes you embarrassed to be one and you wish they'd be quiet?
I'm conservative and that's how I'm feeling about this comment thread. You guys are making a great case for Libs pointing at this page and calling us a bunch of extreme whack jobs.
Seriously, back up the righteous indignation truck, folks. Way, WAY over the top.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
Harry, you're still one of the only movie reviewers I trust. This movie sounds like everything I feared it could be. Damnit.
Sorry. Should be John*. I'm regressing back to freakin Libertas.
Everything must be politicized. Art is an arena of power that the right has ceded to the left for too long. I've little doubt had this film depicted vicious muslim terrorists getting what they deserved after a terrorist attack you or your ilk would have the same reaction to it as we have to this. Not my money.
Well "America Sucks" is pretty much the entire point of every liberal site so….
Being a huge fan of James Cameron, I was genuinely looking forward to this. Until I saw the previews and realized it was a hackneyed, cliche evil humans movie. Forest dwelling natives (of color!) good! White American capitalist humans BAAAAD! Ho hum.
Safe to say, I'm pretty disappointed. Should have released Battle Angel Alita instead Jim!
Hi, Glenn. I'm also a screenwriter in L.A. and have taken classes at UCLA. Could you give me your email address? I'd like to touch base with you. Thanks.
I totally agree the movie will be a liberal fairy tale. I wll see it anyway. I feel so dirty.
Red alert! Liberal brain fart!! Steer clear, people!
A post by The Mighty LexG, no wimpy lefty, from MCN's blog: "What is this new, annoying "Medved"-ing within conservative popcult commentary? Wherein films now are not judged on quality, or even by the old conservative sticking point of raunchiness, content or "family friendliness"… but now upon their level of gung-ho patriotism?
Maybe I just read too much Big Hollywood (or Goldstein's blog, which features those guys seemingly every third column), or watch too much Fox, so my perspective is skewed on how prevalent this is. But after reading some of the above, or a certain rival film blogger (rhymes with Bells) projecting his Che Guevera fantasies on Cameron's movie… Man, I can already see (if it's not up yet) the John Nolte or Brietbart spiel on BH about how this is "typical libtard Socialist propaganda deriding our valorous troops because Hollywood hates American values."
PART TWO: It's annoying reading these otherwise smart people so demented by this paranoid idea that there's a vested conspiracy within the borders of LA County to besmirch this Leave it to Beaver vision of conpone "Americana" that barely even exists. You guys are more in the know than I am… tell me, are there really weekly card-carrying Pinko meetings where all the top execs and directors like Cameron plot how best to mock the military and interject enviro themes in their upcoming films? At the most "nefarious," I'd guess this supposed strain of "anti-military, anti-Christian" Hollywood "hostility" is more akin to simple cluelessness. As movies are generally made and bankrolled by rich white guys from Westside L.A. and simply didn't grow up with a lot of family in the service and such.
Not that it matters, but Gamespot gave the video game version a pretty scathing review, too, including this gem: "With few exceptions, humans come across as resource-hungry simpletons, while the Na'vi are reduced to monosyllabic native stereotypes."
Semper Smurf
As someone who has seen 15 minutes of the movie I have to say that I can't comment on its poltics or story but John Noltes statement that film doesn't break new ground is ridiculous. Frankly I was blown away by the stunning 3D images. Its gorgous from top to bottom. If you admire visual art at its finest Avatar is that and more. Avatar is by far the most visually amazing movie ever made. Pandora feels like a real place and building an entire world so realisticly has never been done before. The world and creatures are full of imagination. Anyone who doesn't think Avatar doesn't break new ground needs there eyes checked.
Yes I do believe this does count for something even if the story is a cliqued mess Ill still be seeing it on day one. I do still hold out hope that Avatar will be more then a effects demo but as someone who trusts Mr Nolties reviews (In all areas except his opinion on visuals) it is dissipointing.
I also believe this should be supported just to support 3D tech. New RealD 3D systems are amazing. I have paid to see some attrocious movies because of 3D. If Avatar is a big hit I believe it will lead to a huge upsurge in movies being shot in 3D which will be a huge benefit to the industry. For this reason alone I could want Avatar to make a ton of money.
Really I see 3D everyday and don't get headaches. Its called life. We live in a three dimensional world not a flat 2D one. 3D is simply making movies more natural and immersive. Headaches associated with 3D movies were primarily caused in old days with primative techniques that caused a lack of focus. These problems have been completely solved with the help of modern digital projecters and full color polarization. 3D is the future and Avatar will hopefully push it into the mainstream. 3D movies must become the rule and not the exception.
I wish Cameron took the $300 MM – $500 MM budget and did the Aliens reach planet Earth sequel.
Boy, the lefties are sensitive about their big, expensive liberal things, aren't they?
Here a Scandal, There a Scandal, Everywhere a Scandal Scandal!
Corruption in Your Congress…
Senator Max (D-MT) Gave Girlfriend $14,000 Raise…
Congressman William Jefferson (D-LA) sentenced to 13 years in prison…
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UN Keeps Pushing Climate Fraud…
Federal Court: ACORN Will Get Public Funding…
Huge Jump in Federal Workers Salaries During Recession…
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Home run!
Still gonna see it for the eye candy.
All this misses a point Nolte has made more than once before — it's possible to forgive a left-leaning (or even blatantly leftist) movie if the film's politics don't drown out the rest of the talent that went into the making of the film itself.
Avatar might have been a better film if the plot hadn't been yanked whole and still bleeding out of The Screenwriter's Guide to Cliches and if the characters hadn't been such egregious stereotypes. I can forgive the political slant, but not when a film is so incompetently crafted that its lefty-audience appeal and flashy CGI are all it has going for it.
I think these trolls were extras in the movie and are taking offense with the comments.
Avatar is an animated movie and looks like one.
The only way Cameron could have avoided that is to just throw up his hands and say, "F__k the live actors, let's just animate the whole thing. It'll save us a ton on sets."
I remember my husband and his friend raving over the Final Fantasy movie because of the CGI. I was mystified by the fact that they didn't seem to notice that the plot *sucked*. lol.
In any case… I do hear you jimbo, but what really hurts is that what people are saying about the plot, if true, was so entirely unnecessary. And it sounds like it was on purpose.
Well, as much of it as trickles up to News Corp, anyway.
I suggest the book _Remnant Population_ by Elizabeth Moon for an interesting take on the question of human encroachment on primitive cultures. It really turns the old cliche on its head and you're left slapping your forehead at the obviousness of it all.
This is one of my favorite books (though I've heard criticism that a few of the characters aren't well developed I take this as a subconscious wish that the book was much longer.)
In fact… a person could take the essential elements of this book and (from the sounds of it) make a truly remarkable answer to Avatar.
the hype alone was enough to turn me off to this movie. i'm personally sick and tired of the predictability in movies anymore. and to hear this is what Cameron has accomplished after 15 years? that hardly lives up to the hype. too bad these idiot hollywood leftists have to politicize everything they do anymore. comes natural to them. what's new is we aren't buying it anymore.
"Incompetently crafted"? I don't think even Nolte is making that argument, or at least not going that far.
Politics aside, the overwhelmingly glowing early reviews are pretty indicative that Nolte's opinion will be a minority one; This feels like May 1977 and STAR WARS is about to drop, and we're nitpicking whether or not the director's politics line up with ours.
From virtually every reputable FILM critic, as opposed to sociopolitical commentator who sees Art through the prism of their personal politics, it sounds like this is every bit the game-changer its director has been promising.
I'll give Nolte all the props for having a loyal fanbase who trusts him at his word, but I've always gotten the impression that deep down, Nolte loves movies, and most of his readership could take or leave them beyond the political aspect. See, when he gave a fair and balanced shake to Che, or a Sean Penn performance, and the readership here was appalled and jokingly called him a traitor.
On some level I sense Nolte can separate the film and the politics just a tad… I think too many of the rest of frequent commentators just *want* to hear how the latest movie is some validation of this distrust of "Hollywood." As if that's such an organized entity with a stated purpose, and not just a bunch of rich hypocrites who want to make money, not indocrtinate anyone.
That was my only take away as well from the Titanic movie, when the ship went down I thought, wow, expensive cartoon.
I also think that the Weta studio is inferior to ILM in fidelity.
"So, let me see… if our studio invests in 10 films @ $50M expenditure each, our rate of return across the average of those films is 200%. Yet, Mr. Cameron, you propose that you can garner the same results on a single expenditure of $0.5 billion. Nice thought, but seems unlikely…. What's that? ….Your friends in LA & NYC sold off on the concept of the plot?! Well, by all means, you're greenlighted! Screw those fly-over hicks; they'll come see whatever we produce".
BWAHAHAHA!
Great one!
You do realize that FOX – means 20th Century not the Murdoch company right?
It might not all be politicized but at least the facts are checked around here.
That check list had be chortling throughout. Hilarious.
Wow, do you have to politicize everything? (sarcasm)
I'm thinking Cameron is not exactly in the running for King of the World. Perhaps of Pandora maybe.
Kind of like liberals always feeling like they have to come to Big Hollywood. You can go to one of the thousand liberal movie sites out there. Let the rest of us enjoy this.
The whole movie was cheezy, not just the ending. But, I loved it.
Sorry that was directed at drumraven. I posted it before I realized he was part of the troll herd.
Don't hold your breath.
Hey, Sharp! I'm at gdamato@fefilmsonline.com Drop me a line -
If the movie makes billions and billions, it won't be just liberals who went to go see it.
Studio Gainax comes to mind… there's a reason there's a trope about it and it's named for them (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Gainax...
Fair warning to all who may follow that link, TVTropes will ruin your life.(http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTrop...
I'm a liberal who thinks it looks stupid. And there are more people tearing this movie down, not having seen it and formed their own opinion, than there are defending it.
Yeah, "Titanic" was a horrible film. No redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Do people really go to movies anymore? Fanny fatigue, stale popcorn, watered-down drinks; obnoxious kids; bad odors; Gee, I'd rather be waterboarded
"Why must everything get politicized"
Is that question addressed to Cameron or Big Hollywood?
I've never gone along with the idea that didactic art is necessarily bad art. Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Dickens, etc. all had axes to grind. But there is truth to the cliché that story suffers under self-righteous themes. There is a correlation between directors/writers/producers/whatever politicizing their movies and their movies being bad.
I can imagine it's not really Mr. Nolte's politics that are the problem. Likely, it's Cameron's fault.
Pipe down. FOX also made the X Files, and an amusing Anti Bush scene. Just because its FOX doesnt mean its not left. Just shows how anti Fox you are: you dont see the liberal stuff in it !
It looks like a dumb big $ cartoon. I'd rather chew glass than spend my hard earned money on this bull sh it
To be correct, the film is being distributed by 20th Century Fox which is owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation which also owns Fox News Channel. I assume that the original commenter was somehow trying to link FNC to this movie which is ludicrous as they are two separate entities in a giant media conglomerate that have no relationship with one another. Unfortunately for the commenter, his small amount of knowledge only lets him know that "Fox = conservative". Even the most cursory of reviews of News Corporation's subsidiaries would reveal the falseness of that statement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_Century_Fox
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News
Of course not! All that pathetic piece can see are the three letters F O X…. He can't be bothered with FACTS!
Shhhhhh! Its ok fox! Relax and yell up from the basement to your mommy to bring you some more pizza rolls…..
Could you possibly name ONE reviewer that is NOT biased? EVERY review has a bias, because as human beings we carry a bias within us. Try thinking before you log in there…..
LOL That reminds me of the little clip from Robot Chicken where he DID make a pie and then called for chinese delivery! LOL
**quiet applause** Can't add to that and wish I could give more than one thumbs up!
No, Cameron has fanboys…. This movie is just his latest brainf***t to waft across their noses….
More like HufPo…..
OH!! I get it!! You are using personal experience as a metaphor! **sarc off**
El Rushbo had a comment on it several years ago. In the entertainment industry, being a democrat, being a liberl is just 'is'. To them there is on other way.
MORE: Now every time a "Brothers," "Hurt Locker," or "The Messenger," or now, apparently "Avatar" comes along, I have to sit there bristling with the unwanted Nicol D/Big Hollywood Scorecard o' Patriotism in my head against my will. "Oops, that soldier said the F word. Hollywood hates America." "Ryan Phillippe doesn't want to get re-upped, Hollywood hates America." "Tobey Maguire came back from the War and isn't smiling and downing apple pie, Hollywood hates America." "The military dude is stubborn and the New Age blue people are in love, Hollywood hates America."
Please, John Nolte, get James Cameron to agree on an interview with you! I'm dying for your hardball questions to Jimmy the Lefty King of the World.
Christ, can't anything just be a movie, a story, a shades-of-gray bit of conflict without it being some indictment of "traditional values"? I mean, Michael Bay or Ridley Scott could make a Fascistic action movie about an ass-kicking right-wing U.S. prez who guns down everyone in America below the $200,000-a-year line while Jesus appears over his shoulder giving the thumbs up, and if it's a good movie, I couldn't care less about its maker's politics
[...] lets take a gander at Big Hollywood/John Nolte’s review: Absent from the big screen for over a decade now, Oscar-winning director James [...]
Politics aside, this movie seems to confirm the maxim the more spent on CGI the less spent on plot development.. Maybe it should have been animation instead. Then again the last thing ever done by Fox Animation Studios was the more interesting "Titan A. E." which lost a ton of money.
Hey maybe this is Murdoch's genius at work. The best defense against movie piracy is to make one that nobody would want to view a second time.
Hahahaaa, good call.
To those who say Camerons movies have always been left wing remember this line
"Your going there to destroy them. Not to study. Not to bring back but to wipe them out" From Aliens.
Not to mention True Lies featuring something rare in Hollywood. An actual Muslim terrorist and a good American saving us from them.
Haha you Americans are fucking loonies. Why must everything boil down to a question of blind patriotism/nationalism? Your nationality is an accident of birth, and perhaps if you weren't quite so proud of it you'd learn to fit into the world a little better. My brother is in the British army, and I'm proud of what he does, but I'm not about to stick my tongue up his arse while singing the fucking national anthem. Get a grip on reality! What about the sacrifices of all the indigenous peoples it "took to make this country"? Not every argument boils down to a question of whether someone is able to fight for their country, that's just ridiculous. Your gung-ho attitude betrays your ignorance.
Thank you. I had a moment of crushing disappointment last night when I realized that folks here sounded like the same shrill, shrieking types they've accused the left of being. And over a MOVIE. (One few of them have seen, no less.)
The difference is that this is an allegory to America, and Americans are uniquely bad according to liberals. All other nations are good, or oppressed or deceived by Americans. It is the old portrayal of American Indians as uniquely noble, brave and honorable people, who were living at one with nature until those bad old Europeans came along. The Indians were just like everyone else – oppressing and being oppressed, enslaving and being enslaved, etc.
The problem with movies like this isn't that they portray humanity as evil, it is that they target the very people who have brought freedom and prosperity to so much of the world, magnifying theirs sins while ignoring the good that has been done.
Yeah, stupid conservatives, using a conservative website that was created to point out the sick liberalism in our culture and find a way to fight it. Gee, you'd think the success of movies like "Lions for Lambs" and "Rendition" and "In the Valley of Elah" would make those stupid conservatives shut up about the lefty values spouted in those films.
There will be no backing up, here, no shrugging and quiet acceptance of the left's attempt to poison our very culture. Big Hollywood was designed to get the word out, to encourage conservatism and to give us an opportunity to stand up and hit back against the filth that wants to destroy our country. And if you don't like it, you can go hang out with Peggy Noonan and the other pet Republicans and bemoan how Ann Coulter is too harsh and Sarah Palin just isn't blue-blooded enough.
Me, I'm going to keep fighting.
Did Michael Cimino ever recover from directing Heaven's Gate ?
Just askin' …
Honestly, the CGI is brilliant.
Here's a glimpse of the final battle scene. Even on a computer screen you'll be blown away:
AVATAR: EXCLUSIVE FOOTAGE OF FINAL BATTLE
http://naturalfake.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/avata...
Looks like Cameron just beat Moore's new cinematic autobiographic debut, "Slobatar".
If the ideology fits the dates don't matter.
I agree! I haven't seen Up yet, but I heard it's magnificent.
This may have something to do with the fact that Pixar develops all stories and scripts in house, with writers and story developers on a salary – in other words, it's impossible to write a spec script for Pixar. This is how the old-time studios worked in the 30's and 40's. Salaried writers toiled for weeks to develop 400-page treatments before getting the go-ahead to write 100-page scripts. Nowadays, if your story is not understandable from a two-sentence log line a eight-year-old can understand, it's considered hopeless.
Does anyone like a film that smacks them in the face with an opinion they don't like? Of course his criticism goes far beyond the politics and his comments on the writing and characters and the derivative and predictable nature of the plot have validity regardless of the politics involved.
Now that you mention it, I think I will. Probably the only good idea you've ever squeezed out of your frail gray matter
"the movie rocks and you will eat crow you idiot". Wow, talk about being biased, get back on your meds, quick!
Would you quit sounding like a whiney liberal bitching about somebody being a whiney liberal? Head spinning?
More like he actually dropped it *into* the gutter and convinced himself that he'd rolled a strike. But the pins are still standing there, and they're laughing at him.
Just a story?! The movie is a pure leftwing propaganda with a cool effects. Are HAMAS children cartoons also "just a stories"? Also you seem to imply there were no anti-american Hollywood lefties before Bush. Talk about getting a grip. You want to go to theater and watch this trash thus helping Cameron to spread his word good, it's your right, just please cut on this BS.
Weellll, at least you can go back to flipping burgers, I'll have fries with that, perfesser geniass.
We don't really need 200-1000 extra indie movies, there are too many already. I'd settle for the five decent blockbusters they could have spent the budget on.
Which *truth* is that? The *truth* the voices in your head utter when you've run out of meds?
Your wife sounds like a truly lovely person, sir. I'd say you're blessed.
Wow, really hit a nerve, eh honey? Did John's review offend your widdle sensibiwities? Hint…get a life, come out of mommy's basement and enjoy the sunshine, feel the breeze on your face.If you put as much energy into something productive as you did on your inane post your mommy wouldn't have to clean up so much behind you. Just sayin'….
Oh my! Didn't mommy give you enough attention, tiger. She obviously didn't smack your behind when you used curse words either. I'll pray for you honey.
Thanks for saving me money on a bad movie.
I'm not interested in cartoons (unless I'm bringing my niece to see one).
And if the plot is THAT cliche, I'm doubly not interested.
Brilliant!
Dear leader thank you for setting us straight…
Shhh.
You're going to explode his head…
Apparently you are OK with fellow Brits complaining when disabled British veterans are allowed to use a private pool for rehab when the army pool isn't available. You may be proud of your brother but a lot of your countrymen aren't. I like it better our way.
"James Camaeron"?
Who's that?
Crow is not approved in human dishes. I think you wanted camarones. Check on the seafood aisle…
God, liberals are SO stupid….
Riighhhttt…..
"Sir, I want you to finance my next film…"
"Jimmy, "Avatar" almost sunk a major studio! The only money you'll get from me is bus fare to get your tired ass out of here!!!"
King of the World that…
I'm still trying to figure out why people label themselves politically. I'm a "liberal" I'm a "conservative." I find it laughable actually. Being a drone to a party or broken human ideas.
Pedant on/
Actually, Jack Dawson was an American. And she'd already done the deed with Billy Zane's evil capitalist.
And she was a spoiled brat- "Oh noes- I'll have to live the life of a rich socialite! I know- I'll throw myself off the stern of the Titanic instead of going to business college and getting an actual j-o-b!"
Pedant off/
But I agree with you in the main.
And the real Irish guy was cute…
Facts aren't important. They're such a nuisance.
Well I for one am not going to bother, Since its a slam on the United States and The Marine Corp they can go get stuffed. For 234+ years the Marines have faced with rifles all those who bore no love for Us. Be it The Barbary Pirates or Al Quadia. Since I am not going to spend the 10 bucks, I will rent a good Movie Sands of Iwo Jima or Any Movie made by John Ford. Cameron should take some lessons from the Admiral, he was a flag ranked officer to boot. I just love these guys that bash the Nation at every chance, all the while the same nation gave them the freedom, paid for in blood, to live the rich sheltered wasted lives they live. To the Marines, Semper Fi!!!
You're using context to make your point. How annoying.
Gay-vatar is more like it. See what I did? Gay-vatar as in Avatar. Award-winning!
After I saw Cameron go down to the Bismark in the small sub, I was hoping he would do a movie about the Bismark and the British ships surrounding the Bismark in an epic battle to sink it. But even with a movie about WW2, he would still find fault with the U.S.
Moore's genre is documentary (or documentary propaganda, however you see it). If you consider how many films in that genre have made over $10M, Moore's latest has little company, most of which are past films of his. If you want to make a fair comparison, you would use a conservative documentary for an example. Pitting it against a recent success story from a genre that is mostly apolitical … ?
I would rather set my $10 on fire than pay to see this film. Trey Parker has it right – Dances With Wolves PLUS Smurfs MINUS Indians.
Didn't his goals change over time? I seem to recall different points from when he wanted to eat them and from when he thought they were an alchemy ingredient to make gold….
But it's been since I was a kid since I've seen it so I might be mixing two shows up.
Any complaint about Cameron's politics is overshadowed by the inherent racism of this film, which would be present regardless of the message he was trying to push. If he wanted to make a film about atrocities committed for the sake of imperial expansion, he could have done some research and crafted a discussion about one of the many actual genocides this planet has seen in centuries of history. Cameron's more interested in the technology and the spectacle than he is in saying anything coherent; all his ideas are crammed into fantasy proxies. Avatar has the pretension to proclaim itself as a universally human story. It robs the Na'vi of their basic humanity by first reducing them, for simplicity's sake, to a lean set of racial stereotypes, then by denying them the basic dignity of equal visual representation in the form of a real actor's face and performance. Could Cameron possibly care less about these "people" when he's reduced them to (literal) cartoon characters who jump around whooping in their grass skirts with their bows and arrows? He's written a story about feigning sympathy with an alien culture because you lust after their barely-clad women (with their exotic features and skin color.) This isn't a modern "liberal" idea, it's a thinly disguised throwback to lurid sci-fi pulp from a century ago.
Avatar and its "Na'vi" go on the pile with this year's District 9 and its "prawns," or The Phantom Menace and its "Gungans" (tastefully named after Gunga Din.) These are all movies from sci-fi film makers who think their FX tech somehow enables them to carelessly ramble about issues of race with zero accountability. Disney are walking off the same cliff as they sink a couple hundred million dollars into a totally unnecessary John Carter of Mars.
Went to see a movie on Wednesday and the big trailer for Avatar was part of our trailers. Yikes I noticed right away the inevitable military is evil schtick. I knew right away that I would not see this film in the theater. Thank you John for sitting through and giving us this review.
The only exception I'd make to your statement is Pixar. They continue to do films that are not cookie cutter and have original story lines. They put story and character first, and make great movies because of that.
hey …this reviewer doesn't even what he's talking about ….i already saw the movie and it was awesome…and this guy maybe just hates james cameron
You're right. Why must everything get politicized? Maybe u should ask Hollywood since they're the ones doing it!! Jeez! Even Wall-E was political! And did u read the article. The person who wrote it OBVIOUSLY SAW IT. He went into clear detail.
And genius, FOX does not mean FOX NEWS. It's 20th Century jackass.
I will not be going to see Dances with Smurfs. I'm tired of paying to be insulted for 2 hours.
Maybe, you can cite the case of Dennis Miller as evidence for your position. Once he went Righto, he traded in his razor sharp equal opportunity observations for lazy acerbic comments on liberals. I stopped listening to him. I want open minded true intelectual humorists who recognize that fools run red and blue and that egotistical chuztpadik jerks dominate both parties.
I guess you've never heard Miller rag on Glenn Beck,—-both his personality and his shtick.
Or how about….slant drilling? The Smurfazoids wouldn't even notice .
Another predictable Hollywood movie I'll be avoiding.
Whaaaaa…? Conservatives favor limited government BECAUSE human beings are evil by nature? Please explain that, will you?
Ever see Family Guy? The show that had a Nazi with a pro McCain/Sarah Palin pin on his uniform? Guess what channel that show's on?
FOX maybe be known as conservative, but you forget that they are a business first and foremost. They will follow the money even if it comes from liberal douchebaggery.
Bonnie,
See? Now with the movies you mentioned I *totally* agree and am with you 100% in decrying the overt anti-America, Left-wing message. But I don't believe that this film deserves the same treatment as those films.
All I'm saying.
Vic
Yeah, as Bonnie mentioned below, there are some movies that have come out of Hollywood that I think completely deserve this level of derision. I just don't think Avatar does, and it makes our side look ridiculous when it bursts a blood vessel over it.
Thanks for clearing that up StuckinMass–I see what you're saying. Still may see it myself.
Power corrupts. That's why no one should have too much of it. That's my limited understanding anyway. Thanks for the reply.
Something tells me Cameron won't show Avatar natives engaging in any of the savage shit his real life heroes in Iraq or Vietnam were and are so readily up to. Anyway if I want a lecture on evils of American "imperialism" and the necessity to fight it I can just read Pravda or watch some HAMAS cartoons. Pass.
They should dig up Warren Beatty and Dustin Hoffman for the sequel, to be called…Ishvatar.
[...] watch Avatar: Absent from the big screen for over a decade now, Oscar-winning director James Cameron returns [...]
"Outlander" 2008 starring Jim Caviezel
aka "space jesus and the vikings battle the space dragon"
Cameron said "15 years ago, I…"
Disney's "Pocahontas" was out in 1995…
If I were Disney, I would be tuning up my lawyers RIGHT THE HELL NOW…
Too many coincidences…lefty environmentalist daughter of the Chief against the big, bad, exploitative strangers from across the sea (stars), exploiting my wonderful world…
Imagine if we could finally put this kind of turkey on the block and sever its head FOREVER!!
Now I know why it's called Avatar. How are we able to get oil from beneath the sea and Cameron was able to explore the Titanic wreck without inserting our consciousness into fish/human hybrids?
… with 15 years & a half-billion dollars, Cameron could come up an alien species that doesn’t drip with every Indian & African sacred-cow cliché imaginable. These are creatures who worship the Great Mother Eywa, have a sacred relationship with the earth, shoot bow & arrows, ride horse-like animals, whoop it up in battle, and talk like this: “It has only happened five times since the time of the first songs of our ancestors.”
The Na’vi also apologize to animals after killing but before butchering them.
…………………
LOL! Can't believe you said that! We just watched (again!) "The Gods Must be Crazy" and apologizin' to the killed animal is Bushman. Daughter saw the AVATAR trailer & snorted,"What are they, blue Masai?"
Don't much care for Cameron. Titanic was revisionist class-warfare. The true story: One of America's richest men gave up a place on the lifeboats, and his wife stayed with him, giving up her place too. Cameron didn't want to show that sort of truth. He needed to show rotten selfish rich folks so he twisted it.
Avatar is Gay-vatar.
Eh, I wouldn't even say next gen outdoes it. I'm more impressed with Batman: Arkham Asylum's graphics than I am in the SFX that I've seen from this in trailers and caps.
You've pretty much summed up liberal thought in that one sentence how nice
Yes it's not like Cameron said in press statements and interviews that this movie was an allegory for America taking what we want at gun point. I know I'm using facts, liberals like like you can't stand that
Exactly right. As someone noted it seemed strange that Cameron obessed on every little detail in Titanic, even down to the pattern on the dinner plates and yet churned out a cliche ridden plot. The question is how did anyone not see this coming?
Well how far is it? Let's do a little script rewrite. When the humans arrive they find the Fraggles are grouped in many different tribes or nations that wage war and kill each other just like everyone else. Some of the tribes willingly align themselves with the humans in order to destroy their rivals. That's closer, happy now?
So your saying that John's article which he goes at length to explain why he doesn't like it is trumped your "it was awesome" wow I guess your the clueless fool this was made for. By the way care to explain why it was so "awesome" dude?
The reason there are so many liberals in the movie business is because their ideas are fiction to begin with so it is easy for them to make things up for films.
I've never thought of it that way, but you may be on to something.
I believe the statement is " All hat no cattle" but point taken.
There is a point where the author of a screenplay can be legitimately criticized for undernuancing a traditionally archetypical plot but it would appear that the "brilliant" Mr. Cameron just borrowed a hackneyed plot (there is nothing new under the sun) massaged over the years from the Pocahantas story to the "Dancing with Wolves" empathy fest and then focused on the CGI and 3D effects of the film. Shame, but it is what it is. Whatta ya want nuanced story and real genius or CGI advancements and visual effects??? Apparently with Mr. Cameron you can't have both even after 15 Years. But I'll bet he still thinks he's a genius.
Wait, wait I've got it. The Nav'i are actually a metaphor for the Islamist' . They are anti tech very spiritual and would love to uswe swords,arrows and horses to go back to fighting wars. Yeah that's the ticket. The horrid US of A wants their OIL (unobtainium). My gosh hwhat a stupid name.
It's no American Carol that's for sure. We need more American masterpieces like that and Red Dawn. Wolverine!
I don't really agree with Nolte. There are a ton of worthless socialist movies out there, but this isn't one. Perhaps not from lack of trying, though, since Cameron is a self-admitted liberal. But the way I see it, this movie is about people wanting to be left alone and take care of themselves. The government comes in and tells them they need their land for the "greated good". When the people refuse to bow down to the government's attempts at nationalization and expropriation, the heavily armed government goons are sent in. The people fight back to defend their property with everthing they got.
To me, that's as conservative a message as you can have: Don't bow down to the government, don't let the "greated good" force you to sacrifice individual liberty, and defend your property from moochers and looters.
Regardless of what Cameron thought when he wrote this movie, he created something that'd would make Ayn Rand or Bill Buckley proud. It's just too bad most liberals are too dumb to realize it for themselves.
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I can't see a Cameron movie; a girlfriend made me take her to "Titanic" which turned out to be merely a soap opera. When Paxton and the old lady weren't onscreen it made me cringe. I predict 16 Oscars, unless someone comes out with a gay-persecution-at-the-hands-of-Cheney flick.
Moving a stolen story to space has a good track record; see "Battle Beyond the Stars" one of my favorite guilty pleasures.
Great comment, calumet.
You do have a good point, however. The problem is that Cameron relied on contemporary metaphors and current events to make his political points in subtle ways. He shouldn't have to use the Vietnam and Iraqi wars, US energy interests and dominion and change them to manifest his liberal perspective on the big screen and expecting the general audience to understand the analogies according to Cameron.
These are known as liberal tells and cliches. It's getting very tiresome already.
Avatar is the cinematic expression of the vanity, as both emptiness and conceit, embodied in the Gore poem. Both are of a piece with any of the sonorous declamations of Obama. Nothing masquerading as something. Why would one vote for the governance of these realizations of such patent unreality?
hope your right and I'm wrong. The irony of a liberal inadvertently making a film expressive of his world-view only to have it come around to bite him on his ideological ass would be enjoyable.
I will see it—doesn't mean I will PAY to see it
Ooops LMAO!!! You're right, thanks. Leave it to a NE Yankee to screw that up!
Such big words for someone he gets most of his information from the internet. Dig a little deeper, snowflake, the original poster was more factual.
One other commentator here the other day summed it up perfectly. If there was all that awesome super tech, why didn't the corporate military-complex just plunk down miles away and drill underneath the unsuspecting "natives?" That's what we do NOW.
Nobody cares and it doesn't bother anything. But that doesn't make useable propaganda against the US military who are the nicest soldiers on the planet, bar none. It's rich, smug Hollywood directors and producers and actors who stage these images so our soldiers can get spat on when they come "home." The Left never wants to take responsibility for their actions, so they have created this meme to hide behind that soldiers are evil, NOT the CIVILIAN POLITICIANS WHO SEND THEM.
[...] Though Dirty Harry takes a far less charitable view here. Leave a [...]
[...] I saw the commercials for James Cameron’s 15-years-in-the-making film opus, Avatar , the first connection I made was “This is Dances With Wolves with Blue People.” The second [...]
Very good point
While the majority of reviews at Rotten Tomatoes and other sites are positive you have to read the whole review. Many reviews laude the special effects but give only a luke warm support for the plot and the overall story. So it's a little deceptive to say it has gotten overwhelmingly postive reviews. It has gotten overwhelmingly luke warm support.
[...] is as predictable as it is political, according to John Nolte’s review at Big [...]
Sorry John, I couldn't get past the headline. I know exactly what it's about. The libs hate conservative people. Am I correct? We need to fight these people until we defeat them. I'm not backing down.
Wow. You call me a name (snowflake?) and then declare me wrong, yet you provide no supporting evidence. Yours was a truly worthless post.
"Kingdom of Heaven" comes to mind, well executed for the most part by a fine-director-until-that-movie, Ridley Scott. <SPOILER ALERT…DUCK> But the climactic siege ended with the good guys SURRENDERING! I booed and got some dirty look action from the people a couple rows in front of me. Obviously big fans of surrenders. They only other time I was so demonstative in a movie was when Team America blasted the Eiffel Tower. Couldn't help cheering.
And they're just as honest as politicians, too, because while they talk the talk, none of them will take a walk.
About as easily as explaining it to a 3-year-old….oh, that's what you asked……sorry……..
[...] to come in, I see a pretty common thread, aptly described by the title of this post, pulled from Big Hollywood’s review of the movie. I like this line: Think of “Avatar” as “Death Wish 5” for leftists. A [...]
lol
So you're a moron I take it?
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Yes I believe he did……
and mayhap so will this movie…….. oh the irony!
Too Late
The real problem here is that even though I bought the Blu-ray of 'The Terminator', the company who made it didn't do Jack to clean it up. It looks awful where all the pits and scratches and blurs are now in 1080p! I still return back to the last DvD since it has all that the Blu didn't.
Anyway, Earth could simply use that little trick they'd learn all those years before the story happens. Since they can go "beyond the speed of light" to another world now, they can be a little bit more primitive and throw rocks at the smurfs from a safer distance. Ever heard of "ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT"? I'm talking radiation free Nukes! We Americans dropped a video camera guided missile into a Window(!) during the first Gulf War back in '91 for crying out loud, you think we regressed a hundred years later in military technology?
Even better……
By the time we have figured out how to create the energy needed to create and control wormholes that can safely traverse light years within a few weeks time don;t you think we'd have supercolliders powerful enough to fuse whatever element that we might require including unobtanium compounds that don't exist.
Waaagh!
Looker you confuse Cameron’s Freedom to make a movie with my Freedom to tell him it sucks!
I for one am glad Cameron in his trailer showed his liberal bias and the military as monsters. Now I won’t see it. See I went to see the last Punisher movie. The villain states he'll recruit thugs the way the army does from the poor. Then the villain with the American flag behind him gives the "be all you can be" speech. This sickened me. To be accepted in the military at all you have to have a GED and better have a good GPA. The technology the army uses precludes them allowing in high school dropouts who don't know how to read. These are the kids who become gang bangers not soldiers. It is a stupid sentiment that is detrimental to our nation’s morale if it is believed by the young people who see it. Liberals want to make this crap fine, their right. But don't expect me applaud it or proclaim I don't have the right to criticize it. This Avatar film in my view is more of the same.
James Cameron is not hating America, he is hating people that make war for financial interest (such as Bush)…
By the way, THIS MOVIE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!!
So let me get this right: an anti-war movie is, by definition, an anti-American movie? That would mean that America, by definition, is pro-war.
And a movie in which the plot is about people who want to rampage a planet and take its resources and kill its occupants is criticized for being anti-American? Maybe the critic just has a bad conscience.
Having said that, this movie probably will be a piece of crap. But not for the reasons the critic has said.
dances with smurfs, self righteous hollywood celubutards, he points a camera and says act LOL, he is king of nothing
Actually, this movie is pretty good … the only "cliche" here is the predictble BigHollywood review.
Nolte's review is paint-by-numbers right-wing formulaic. Hey Nolte, did you write this a few months ago ? Just waiting for Avatar to finally get released ?
[...] think I’d know better than to think a movie produced by a Hollywood liberal wouldn’t be thick with their message. Absent from the big screen for over a decade now, Oscar-winning director James Cameron returns [...]
[...] think I’d know better than to think a movie produced by a Hollywood liberal wouldn’t be thick with their message. Absent from the big screen for over a decade now, Oscar-winning director James Cameron returns [...]
This 3d technology is not new you MORON. Ive watched over half a dozen films in 3d over the last 5 years and a few were in IMAX. Heck you can even buy the DVD's that come in 3d with the glasses now. Again your a moron, if you want to herald this new technology then why not talk about the NFL trying to implement it in their games in 2011. Man all you losers need to do some reading before you comment and sound stupid.
Now about the movie: who cares, download it and dont give leftist Hollywood a dime – the more people that do this the less these people get paid (god knows how much the Actors alone made on this piece of crap).
ITS CALLED bittorrents AND THEY ARE EASY TO FIND AND DOWNLOAD, cheers!
I really, really can't get past the truly unattractive aliens. They are too human hybrid for my taste. At least there was an aesthetic sensibility to the things that attack Sigourney Weaver.
As an artist and a liberal, I have to admit I agree with you. Very few Conservatives make engaging films, and the dialog is poorer for it. Who? Mel Gibson is the only name that comes to mind. But just as I welcome artists expressing their beliefs as conservatives, I think you should accept that so
me great art is going to be created by jerks and crazies of every political persuasion – the fact that Michelangelo, Beethoven and Picasso were all assholes, or even that Ezra Pound was a Fascist doesn't mean their art is not sublime. L
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Hey dummy Cameron actually come out and said that Avatar was a symbol for American imperalism try actually checking your facts before you shoot your pie hole off but that would asking to much for a libtard.
Did you liberals get dumber? Cameron has been saying this film is a symbol for American aggression around the world and despite this you tools keep asking "gee why are you guys reading this into the movie?"
A guy who got rich making violent action films is now making a violent action film that decries violence so he can make more money yeah. So you assume that since your tin god Obama has no financial interest in the war he can kill people? Liberals are getting dumber.
Ok that's it…….
Your Camerons agent aren't you.
I like Moon a lot but soemtimes she goes over the deep end with her allegory.
In Rules of Engagement she has the New Texas Militia as a cross between Texans, Mormon Paligamy Cults and radical head chopping Muslims but I think she was picking on Branch Davidians. What I do like is here attention to detail in the operation of mundane things in her book, such as a ship having to ensure all accounts are paid before having the authority to depart from a space dock. She is a very good writer and usually very academic in her depiction of politics.
So you are saying Cameron is a Smurfist then……..
Exactly how much money did Bush make off the war…. That's right Goose Egg.
How much did Al Gore make off of Global Warming, his accountants won't let us know.
Not just dumb but hipocritical as well………………
I was thinking of seeing it on the big screen, I think I will pass. I passed on "The Day The Earth Stood Still" and that was a very good choice. Then I saw it on HBO. That is more than two hours I will never get back. Jennifer Connelly's line about her black son's (yes, black son-no cliche spared, including a female secretary of defense, not state!) father: "He joined the Army and went to Iraq to build, not to fight" was awful. Usually Connelly stars in some good films, but this was garbage. Avatar sounds like another "Day The Earth Stood Still" and "2012."
You stupid conservatives you can read anything inot a movie Myah Myah Myah…… Just because Cameron goes out and says this movie is all about showing what murderous evil monsters the American Military is doesn't mean Cameron doesn;t support the troops Myah Myah Myah …… Don't you know that showing America as bad is a way of describing what is good in America … its the same concept as negative space in art and the cornerstone of nihilistic philosophy myah myah myah …. jsut shut up buy our tickets and smoke our propoganda crack pipe er I mean Peace Pipe Myah Myah Myah…………
Is there a liberal argument I missed her, mind you liberal logic is very hard to follow so………….
Oh, you can tell a movie review from a guy with a drawer full of unpurchased screenplays and rejection slips every time.
Lets check back in 12 months after it has become the largest grossing film of 2010 (which it certainly will be) if not longer.
[...] As Hot Air has discovered, the movie itself is ultra-left-wing, too much for even my tastes. Big Hollywood has more. I’d say maybe even the game was doomed because of [...]
You wingnuts can politicize anything, can't you? "Bambi" is a leftist plot to push the climate change agenda, correct? "Jingle Bells" is an ultra-liberal strategy to prevent oil drilling in Alaska, correct? And "Avatar" is…well, you already said it, didn't you? An "America-Hating…" blah, blah, blah…
[...] opinions expressed still closely match those in evidence from the script for Avatar. The movie is so completely anti capitalism and post industrial humanity that my rebuttal is still [...]
He is referencing a South Park episode of the same name that makes fun of Glenn Beck and this movie.
I actually liked "Dances with Wolves". But no-way will I waste money on this trash. Sure, Cameron's made his money already and likely doesn't care financially, but the ones who backed this crap will.
"Engineers have long (since at least the 1950s[2]) used the term unobtainium when referring to unusual or costly materials, or when theoretically considering a material perfect for their needs in all respects save that it doesn't exist. By the 1990s, the term was widely used, including in formal engineering papers such as Towards unobtainium [new composite materials for space applications]. [3]
Unobtainium is also used for materials that are practical and really exist, but are difficult to get. For example, during the development and service period of the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane, engineers working for Lockheed Corporation at the Skunk Works used the term unobtainium as a dysphemism for titanium."
Oh I liked Dances too, no need for me to see a sci-fi ripoff of it though.
Indeed, they do that rather regularly.. and their trolls always seem to hit at the same time (unless it's just one posting under different non-registered names)
I'm sure it will show promising returns the first weekend, but I'm betting in the long run the preachiness of it will keep them far below the cost of making it.
I love those "Scanners" moments.
I love it! From now on I will be refering to them as Smurfazoids.
Let alone a 500 million dollar ripoff. With a budget like that one would think he could afford an original story to go with it.
Amen to that, and not a single zombie in it I'll bet…..
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
You can't go wrong with zombies….EVER…….
I know! If he is going to use something tried and true, he should have stuck zombies in there somewhere…
Oh wait, I forgot. They'll be in the audience.
If you're review is to be believed, it'd state facts instead of made-up figures. It was 250M to 300M — so you almost doubled this amount. It was 10 years he has said he worked on it, yet you increase it 50%. Why would you use these obviously inflated figures? The numbers were already "large" enough. It seems a little "Al Gorish" to me. You're review reads classically as someone that had preconceived notions before even seeing it. I have no problem with opposing views, but you definitely aim for the lowest denominator in your review. Of course it's a Right vs. Left issue! Never mind that most of America stares at both sides from the middle with a sullen look. You could have written portions of this review before even seeing it; Perhaps you did. Fanboy indeed — Mirror, meet John Nolte.
In the year 2154 James Cameron's carbonite frozen head will be personally destroying a native species so he afford to make more crappy films.
Marxism leads to bad art? Jeez… I am hardly a fan of Marxism but Mr. Eisenstein & a certain Mr. Prokofiev might want to have a chat with you.
On the other hand, you probably didn't event finish high school and have no idea what you are talking about so I'll give you a free pass for now.
[...] the statist Right is exercised because Avatar is an “America-hating, PC revenge fantasy,” a “thinly disguised, [...]
[...] posting this idiotic review from Big Hollywood here because no matter how badly the Democrats screw up, Republicans have to deal with voices like [...]
"The result is 'Avatar,' a sanctimonious thud…"
You mean "sanctimonious," like this review?
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"…a movie so infested with one-dimensional characters and PC clichés that not a single plot turn – small or large – surprises. I call it the 'liberal tell,' where the early and obvious politics of the film gives away the entire story before the second act begins.."
And you think there are no movies with a 'conservative tell'? That conservatives are our most imaginative and creative citizens, and full of surprises, perhaps?
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The rest of the review is a clinic in the definition of "confirmation bias." For those who don't know what that is: does "Pygmalion Effect" ring a bell?
Not that liberals aren't guilty of the same. if the shoe was on the other foot, they should be called on it in kind.
Yeah, Cameron showed his liberal bias when he took on the "evil" computer companies in Terminator.
Oh, you must be so cultured and probably only watch low budget indie flicks because only a poor college student can capture what a movie really should be right? Stop jerking yourself off in the mirror and get over yourself.
Too.
This movie isn't anti-war. Clearly the aliens in the movie are using war to repel the invaders. This movie is anti-American for the simple fact that it is anti-American. It was intended as such. Or do you just choose to not believe the man who created it because it doesn't suit your, for lack of a better word, argument?
Using the justification in this article, EVERY SINGLE SCIFI MOVIE HAS A LIBERAL PLOT. I guess conservatives can add to their list of unacceptable movies, sci-fi. already included is chick flicks (to immoral), R rated comedy (to liberal as well), drama (ok as long as their are no boobies), and horror (satanic).
[...] John Nolte: “Set in 2154, “Avatar” is a thinly disguised, heavy-handed and simplistic sci-fi fantasy/allegory critical of America from our founding straight through to the Iraq War.” [...]
"Mammon, the least erected spirit that fell from heaven. For even in Heaven his looks and thoughts were always downward bent, admiring more the riches of heaven's pavement, trodden gold, than aught divine or holy else enjoyed in vision beatific…"
hey i am so happy that after va long wait im gonna see this avatar movie only…james cameron has always been my favourite director..this movie looks awesome…& the best part is that im able to see it only for Rs 20/- per ticket ,i dont know but i accitdenatly hit this website called mydala.com where in they give amazing discounts(ranging from 35%-80%)….so this movie ticket is actually purchased from their site….im so delgihted such amazing movie….such low cost…im not lossing on anything.
again i would say
james cameron avatar should & will be awesome
im just seeing it for rs 20
keep up the good work james
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If Col. Quaritch had a blog… This'd be it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/DBrennan33...
Oh, and I'm a republican.
I noticed the political slant in the second trailer. Its too bad it will probably be a high tech politically correct cowboy and indian flik.
Do this with Left Wing Movies. #1 buy a ticket to a family friendly movie (I picked Old Dogs), so they get the funds. Then go see garbage like Avatar.
No, sorry but that's not true. Our mantra is Conservatives Suck.
Good, you don't deserve to see it.
I love the fact that none of the haters have seen the movie. Which of course is great, as (a) conservatives don't deserve to see this film, and (b) it leaves Imax seats available for real human beings.
At the day I am trying to determine what you hate more, Cameron… or trees?
man, how far things fly over your head – astonishing!
it appears from looking at your blog for the first time you thrive on labels, labeling and divisiveness…
I've frankly had enough of this crap from all sides of the spectrum….
sheesh, get a life man, get a real human life
Well the latest Battleground poll has 63 percent of Americans identifying themselves as conservatives so the two statements are pretty much the same.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/the_battle...
That makes sense in a way. What better way to defeat Fox News than to cripple or bankrupt it's ownership, maybe necessitating a bail-out? No strings have been attached to any of the bail-out money of course.
I almost laughed out loud when they mentioned "Unobtainium" as the mineral that everyone was there to obtain on Pandora.
This is the same stupid, idiotic, fake material that was mentioned in the movie "The Core" and used to make the fantastic drilling machine that could withstand the hellish temperatures and pressures at the center of the earth.
You would think that the writers could have come up with a little better considering the amount of dollars thrown at this movie. Then again the rest of the dialogue and character development was on par with this point.
Seriously? Dude, I hate to break this to you, but it's MAKE BELIEVE. Not everything is some wacked-out conspiracy. I strongly suggest getting out of doors and finding yourself a life.
Honest to goodness..
"Twice I was sure Sully’s avatar had been killed. Twice I was disappointed."
"The one thing Cameron has always done well is to create busy, energetic, brilliantly choreographed action scenes that allow the audience to follow what’s going on."
Are you sure?
"if you freakin’ hate the bad guys (America)."
Aren't Jake and Sigourney Weaver's characters American?
Best review I've read on this overhyped movie. Most everyone who likes this movie have no intelligent response to the criticisms of the review, and instead complain because the review is "too politicized." I'm guessing these were the same people who b*tched at the Dark Knight for its similarities to the Bush doctrine or the same nuts who whined at "V" on ABC when a comparison was made between the visitors and Obama via universal health care. That said Cameron (mistakingly) made a movie where the heroes were more similar to traditional, white Americans than he probably wished, in other words:
Overall this was a CONSERVATIVE movie. Why would I say that? Just look at the heroes. The Na'mi are uniracial, have a shared culture, are deeply religious and use force to defend their homelands. They are also (rightly) weary with outsiders (they kill humans and rarely interact with avatars). So, our heroes are not diverse in any sense of the matter, and in fact are quite intolerant of outsiders. They are sensible, however, but not to the point that it changes their way of life. They are a deeply religious people with ONE unify belief system. Much like traditional, protestant Christian white old-fashioned Americans who see diversity of race and religion ruining their homelands and belief system, the Na'mi have a conservative mindset on life.
gosh, reading this thread makes me feel american are crazy and stupid. come on, what is told in this movie is the right thing. plus this movie is made superbly.
A corporation wants to exploit a natural resource. The people whose habitat is going to be destroyed object to that. When they fight back they are called terrorists, monkeys, etc. The military is called in to get them out of the way. How predictable. This has been going on for centuries and is still going on. In Avatar they add the modern twist that scientists try to describe and understand the area before it's destroyed, perhaps in the vain hope that the destruction will be more "humane." This narrative may be leftist, but it's TRUE.
Like usual "conservatives" are always whining and being victims. Why don't you make your own movie? opps…we are republican we don't go to college we kill moose.
Stop being victims and take some responsibility. Boohooo…we are such victims….everyone is taking our jobs.
1. universities are liberal (can u let my kid in please as a legacy child…look he is a white male…poor victim)
2. journalism is so liberal (can I quote the NYT in my next rant to prove some fact)
3. We are so produd of america…see google, our universities our movies. Huh? Aren't they liberal all all very blue?? What are you so proud of?
4. look ma I love my country…we (cheney and rumsfeld) were hiding under the desk and peeing during the draft…but now we talk big as faux patriot.
the whole conservative thing is just one big victim fest.
Excellent review. Yes, I got sucked in hard seeing the trailers months ago, and so immediately went out to see it. I couldn't believe I was going to get preached to at the movies, again! The stereotypes were popping out everywhere: Ribisi was a cold-hearted businessman just wanting to get his hands on the ridiculously-named "unobtainium;" the Na'vi were an African/Jamaican/AmericanIndian mix, in complete harmony with nature (as opposed to our sick asses); the grizzled Marine just wanted to kill kill kill, and Europeans were once again going to exploit a perfect Eden of another race. Aaargh. I wanted to walk out around the one hour mark, but didn't. At the two hour mark I said screw this and did walk out. The whole storyline was just too predictable. Liberal propaganda strikes again.
Do you consider The Office to be Un-American then?
Think about it, they make fun of big business and management, I’m sure that has to get you riled up.
Just saw the movie, and this review is dead on about the leftist, anti-american, anti-corporate, anti-profit, enviro-earth-mother-whacko message. In the final fight scenes, where the natives take it to the army, I was chilled thinking how this will be received by al-qaeda. Talk about bolstering the will of every anti-american terrorist out there. If you didn't pick up on this … there's no hope for you.
If not in 3D and interest in the tech that created it, it trully sucks.
W/O the 3D, this is trully a bad script and boring, but we are so visual now.
Don't think this can keep adults interested through whole movie.
At some point after the oh ah, ok whats the story?
This review places personal agenda over a films content. The movie is wonderful, and has insightful ties that everyone should take to heart. More than just the anti-war message there was an underlying message to respect the earth and end global warming. Why don't you take that to heart and nurse your post bush era wounds elsewhere.
Hey, Nolte. How does it feel to be alone on this one?
I have an idea. Instead of whining about how bad this "america hating" movie is, why don't you make a better, "america loving" one yourself, genius?
Get a life.
you misspelled nation, jackass. i defy you to find me a conservative who can write a complete sentence without fucking something in it up.
Battle for Terra – but I knew that before I saw this movie. The difference? hundreds of millions of dollars and a different ending for the 'bad humans'. I'm much more surprised they got the sound effect so wrong for a VTOL dual propeller aircraft – it should not sound like a single top rotor helicopter because the blades are 1/4th as large and must spin faster to generate enough lift. And nobody else even commented on that in any review – amazing. I guess the effects really do make you ignore little things like that. If I must say, it is akin to a soldier igniting a flamethrower and having it generate a pig squeal – it's just that obvious.
I just saw the movie and I see what you're saying, but I don't I agree it's actually that anti-American. For one thing America plays no part in the movie. In fact I'm sure it was never even mentioned once. The main character, Sully, is an Australian and a former marine, but it's implied this was for the military of some kind of UN-style global government not the USMC. In any case he's employed by a private corporation, not a nation. The company intends to mine the planet for "unobtainium" and needs the pesky inhabitants gone from the most lucrative potential mining sites, preferably through peaceful means (and part of the reason for the avatars) but ultimately they intend for them to go one way or the other, which is why of course they have a small army of military contractors there. Okay maybe this is obviously a left-wing plot, but it's grasping at straws to suggest it's specifically anti-American or a critique of the current wars in the middle east. In fact, I'm sure it even has some themes conservatives could relate to. The mining company is obviously the product of a politically-correct, nationless, and godless world, and the natives simply want to protect their property and freedom and preserve their traditions from outside invaders. Maybe some on the right would like it better if the Nav'i were farmers like the Amish than like American Indian hunters. It's unlikely the movie is a critique of current American foreign policy since Cameron had the idea for the movie since the 90s, well before Iraq or 9/11. James Cameron has kept most of his movies pretty apolitical, and furthermore he directed True Lies, and you'd be hard pressed to say that movie is anti-American in the sense you're suggesting.
I guess you could say it's left-wing, but if anything it's more of an anti-greed than anti-American viewpoint. In fact the whole thing is kind of unoriginal and formulaic, in thats it's a typical hollywood story where the hero defects from a big, evil institution to side with the little guy about to be crushed. Watching it doesn't feel political or preachy at all and they could have done far more if they really were looking to make it political propaganda or an allegory for what's going on in the world today.
Wrong. He doesn't bash America in the movie, in fact it's never even mentioned.
Well in the movie it's a private corporation (RDA) which is behind it. They want to mine it because the "unobtainium" is very profitable. You should realize America is not even mentioned in the movie and the main character is an Australian. If anything it's biased against greed and certain aspects of industrial civilization but I don't think you could say it's an "America is evil" film. In any case there are bigger problems than political bias in the movie. I guess the special effects were neat but it was kind of unoriginal and cliched. Compared to most movies out of Hollywood these days it was good but I expected far more.
[...] REVIEW: Cameron’s ‘Avatar’ Is a Big, Dull, America-Hating, PC Revenge Fantasy [...]
John, you're just a hater. Your comments about underdeveloped and cliched characters are mostly true, but there's not much more they could have done without making the movie 5 hours long. And "Visually “Avatar” doesn’t break any new ground" are you kidding me? You must be blind.
PS. I am FAR from being liberal.
[...] that when you step up to point out the lefty assumptions, biases and what John Nolte calls the “liberal tells” within popular entertainment. You are allowed to praise the technical achievements of an [...]
Your political opinions are your own but to say that "Visually “Avatar” doesn’t break any new ground. It looks like a big-budget animated film with a garish color palette right off a hippie’s tie dye shirt. Never for a moment did I believe the Na’vi or the world of Pandora was something organic or real. The fairly pointless use of 3-D certainly doesn’t help, but Steven Spielberg’s sixteen year-old dinosaurs are light years ahead of “Avatar” in the reality department." should disqualify you from ever reviewing another movie again.
Avatar is by far the most stunning piece of work ever to come out of hollywood. The natives do not all look alike you idiot. They look much more different than even some of the humans in the movie do. Open your eyes and stop letting your personal political opinion blind you.
How many times did you spell-check that prior to posting? I find it humorous (i.e., retarded) that your sorry attempt at criticizing conservatives via a spelling error was accomplished while demonstrating a lack of ability to capitalize the first letters in your sentences. Spell-check that, douche-bag.
There you guys go again, claiming that 9/11 had anything to do with the calamity we are in now. Well, it did, I suppose, give us the rational to start a proxy war for control over Oil.
[...] right in time for Copenhagen (I guess the Chinese should have gotten an advanced screening). One of the articles I read focused on “some conservative groups” being angry because Avatar was clearly a [...]
I'm extremely right wing and I supported Bush and the war on terror and I think you review is total bullshit.
Whoever posted this article is a fucking loser… Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Do you get paid to bash on movies? First of all, you bring up microscopic flaws within the movie, some of which are not flaws at all, and make them appear much worse than they really are. You speak as if no other movie on earth has ever used a similar plot line as another. There comes a time when you can no longer create "new" plot/story lines, so you either have to mix up a bunch of different lines, or put "new skin on old bones". So what if Cameron took the latter route. He did it beautifully. As far as the characters and dialogue go… What if Cameron purposefully did not want to get his viewers lost in some twisting story line? Maybe he had other intentions for the first movie in a trilogy? There's a purpose behind his creation, and obviously too many stupid movie critics are missing that. Why don't you leave the criticizing up to the real artists, and go argue about politics or something else useless…
More new age anti american babble from the LeftCoasters
I'm a Conservative, pro Blackwater, anti Jihadist American who LOVES MOVIES. I sat thru this and loved it. (No actual American, Military or otherwise was dismembered or killed during filming) Yes it's as frakking biased as a Saudi Man confronted by a lady cop but in the microcosm of the reality the story was unfolding in I WAS ENTERTAINED. The human contingent had sad-ass leadership and made a short -cut "we can do whatever we want" move that cost them. They crossed all moral and ethical lines and are the bad guys IN THE CONTEXT OF THE FILM. Fortunately for me I have the ability to separate reality from bullcrap. Loved the ride, NOT taking the implications seriously.
As we are more alienated from nature & our essential relationships with others, the story of the "civilized" man falling in love with the "primitive" people, culture & woman becomes more popular; e.g., Dances with Wolves & Samurai. We long to connect with the primal and to throw off the shackles of modern civilization and our commecial culture. namaste
The more "civilized" we get, the more attractive is the "primitive." namaste
The story of the "civilized" man who falls in love with the "primitive" people, culture and woman is becoming increasingly popular; e.g., Dances with Wolves & Samurai. As the shackles of civilization tighten and our consumer culture becomes more vapid, the greater the attraction to stories like Avatar. The primal is only an entertainment escape; no longer a real option.
Yeah, like Whitey didn't engage in slavery, land theft and genocide when it came to indigenous people right here in America.
This "review" does nothing more than validate the simple fact that conservatism is a mental aberration.
I agree, 100%. I remember the endless stream of crying from liberals when this film from a notoriously conservative director came out a decade ago:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111503/
Hey, wait a second…
I agree, 100%. I remember the endless stream of crying from liberals when this film from a notoriously conservative director came out a decade ago:
I forgot to mention that that notoriously conservative director's film was called "True Lies."
If only guys like the man that directed that film were still around in Hollywood things would be different.
FAIL
Does this movie present a simplistic leftist moral allegory? Sure but who cares. If you are seeing this movie to deconstruct the plot then you're missing the point. This movie is a showcase for visual effects and the computer animation and 3d rendering are just breathtaking. This movie doubtlessly brings special effects into a whole new era and the incredibly well designed 3d effects may just make movie theaters relevant again. I'm sorry if the plot upsets your politics but to say that these effects are inferior to those used in Jurassic Park is just laughable. I don't know if you just saw this thing in a bad theater, but watch the movie again, ignore the plot and just keep your eyes wide open. Visually this thing is fantastic.
LOL
Cameron directed "True Lies", a film that more or less conforms to the plot parameters in your hypothetical and yet there was no left generated outrage directed at it a la that which we see here from the right.
Not America-hating – 19th-century America-hating, as in when we almost wiped out the Indians. Big difference – in the 20th and 21st centuries, America only attacked countries and groups who attacked us – or whom we believed, rightly or wrongly, would attack us http://paullevinson.blogspot.com/2009/12/avatar-i...
Aren't americans big on the freedom of speech? So why raise an alarm when some one uses it to criticize the actions of your nation? To be honest I'm not impressed by the way your country has seized and abused the "Police of the World" status.
hmmmm, wonder what the carbon footprint (or 'blue print") was to make this movie… How many trees were sacrificed to produce this liberal propaganda? (Besides the 'Mother Tree" in the movie) No matter, Cameron the Hypocrite got his misguided message out. The only thing Green about this movie were the recycled story lines and character retreads. Otherwise, this movie was trash. Even going for the 'special effects' isn't worth it. I truely wish I could have those 3 hours of my life back.
***Teary Moment Alert if you still want to see this silly film***
Prepare to get all teary when the Colonel takes the arrows (Hey Cameron, just like in Custer's Last Stand! Hey, I get it! Yeah for the barefoot people!)
What a fool.
Hahaha… I'm a liberal, and I basically agree with the review. It's like they wrote a bare-bones plot outline/prospectus and forgot to write any real dialogue. It was just painful to sit there and be gob-smacked by the most beautiful, amazing alien world ever put on film, only to receive periodic painful stabs to the mind every time a character opened his mouth. Sheesh…
I'm still glad I saw it, though.
Oh common, you poor guy, the film is great and shows a lot…For example how big powerful states behaved/ may behave in the future..its kinda scarry…
Why must you inject politics into what has to be the most sensous movie ever made.
Whatever your political views – park them at the door – and simply wrap yourself in the visual beauty of a world without reps or dems.It is called entertainment, imagination, …..
Must you take all the joyfulness, creativity, color from the world. A movie is a movie – enjoy bathing your soul in the colors, textures, sensousness of a truly fabulous piece of entertainment.
I think Coyote12 made a good point there. Then you step in and look like a child.
Not only was every plot twist predictable, if you've ever thought about how 'primitive' cultures are portrayed in the West, the Na'vi displayed every single characteristic and nothing more. I sat through two thirds of the movie waiting for them to all get together and sing or chant for some vaguely ritualistic purpose and, sure enough, they did FOUR times before the movie ended. Aside from the incredible visuals, this movie was pure laziness and new-age primitivism.
(You don't have to be liberal to hate this movie; I attend one of the nation's most politically liberal liberal arts colleges.)
I mean, you don't have to be conservative.
And by the way, I felt that that the 'shock-and-awe' thing was more a punch at the bombing of Baghdad than the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Well, John and all the other naysayers here were completely wrong. Avatar is an overwhelming success by every conceivable measure. It is setting box office records all over the world, it has 94% rating from top critics and 83% overall. It has solid A's from CinemaScore, the most trusted source of exit polling at theaters. It's the second most like movie of all time on BoxOfficeMojo, and it will be nominated for several Academy Awards and Golden Globes. It is an overwhelming critical, popular, commercial, and artistic success on all counts.
It has been embraced by people from Alabama to Texas to Montana, and the art and technical aspects were in fact far more impressive than Jurassic Park or any other movie to date. In summary, I guess you're just as wrong as wrong can possibly be John. Not that I'm surprised. The real question is will you and all of the other so incredibly wrong posters here be man enough to admit it.
Sorry wanumba, unless 1 billion islosing one's shirt you have failed miserable in your pessimism
Because you don't know how to think for yourself?
Hahahah Hermie, you completely 100% WRONG!! Say you're sorry now.
Fool says what? I imagine you're not laughing now "War Eagle"
Massive fail Joe. Sorry. I bet you've seen it.
Nice unbiased review MasterChief. I admire you for thinking for yourself unlike many of the sheep and dittoheads here.
No, no… It's "Hollywood hates America…" that's the point. And to back it up I offer in evidence this half-billion dollar propaganda machine.
At least you readily admit that your site has a narrow, propagandist, divisive, partisan agenda John.
John and BH are 1000x more political, polarizing, divisive, and partisan than Cameron. Cameron is a conservative as well.
Please SuperCat, that's insulting to everyone's intelligence. I'd say nice try but it wasn't even that.
Cameron is a conservative Hanzo. Sorry.
Have you ever noticed how "conservatives" are completely obsessed with talking about "liberals," and "liberals" hardly ever mention "conservatives." "Liberals" are preoccupied with making the world a better place, while so called "conservatives" are obsesses with dividing, antagonizing, criticizing, and complaining. That is well reflected in the comments here,
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If that qualifies as brilliant you guys are in trouble.
It's easy to ridcule something that you do not understand, and I'm surprised by the opinions of those whom have only seen the film's trailer (How can you make up your mind about something you've never experienienced?). I believe people who feel uncomfortable with the themes portrayed in the film are immature and unable to comprehend different points of view or philosophies contraditory to their own. (How loosily are their beliefs held together?)
I went to see a movie, and I was thoroughly entertained not indoctrinated, lectured, or criticized. My money was well spent, and the thousands of people who worked on the movie earned a paycheck. What the heck is wrong with that?
[...] Big Hollywood’s John Nolte, one of my favorite outspoken right-wing film essayists, blasted the film, calling it “a sanctimonious thud of a movie so infested with one-dimensional [...]
I strongly encourage anyone reading this not to form their opinion based on this. John Nolte is purposely antagonistic in his word choice, and is intentionally trying to rile people up with his negative, pessimistic opinion of the movie. The fact is, to every point he gives, there are four or five fold-out explanations as to why or how, that he has neglected to include. It is so sad that most of his arguments mimic the trolls around the itnernet. Infact some of them are very juvinile. "oh-so wise love interest who can somehow speak English"… that is perhaps the lamest disguised troll I've seen. 0/10, John.
What a crappy review! Are you saying that most people that watch this movie DON'T get the hidden meaning, like we're too stupid to realize we're being brainwashed? F you sir! Everyone I know loved it. We 'get' it, and we AGREE. If ONE NATION can elect Obama, if ONE NATION can love this movie, the only person that don't 'get it' are the few right-wing extremists left like yourself who believe killing off the native peoples of this land is an AMERICAN ACCOMPLISHMENT! You're a dying breed, thank GOD! Jump off a cliff or move to another country, your kind are the real UNAMERICANS!
The supposed liberal bias (I say 'supposed' because I'm pretty sure that a lot of conservatives prefer peace to war, are anti-genocide and pro-conservation – since when did those things become exclusively 'liberal'??) isn't what makes this movie terrible. It's a bad movie full of cliches which are flattering to neither indigenous people or military & corporate interests – which is pretty much all this review has summed up.
i GUESS they all look a-like. Sounds kinda racist if you ask me. same for white people, you all look alike….doesn't mean i hate you.
No one has yet commented on the fact that the story of "Avatar" is, nearly beat-for-beat stolen from Delmer Daves
"Broken Arrow," which was written by Albert Maltz, a self-confessed Communist Party member subsequently black listed, though, like all the wailing blacklisted writers, magically continued to work under psuedo-nymns. It was once of my favorite movies when I was young. I even had a kid's crush on Deborah Paget, who played the Indian (Native American?) maiden. Jeff Chandler played Cochise, the Apache chief, noble and wise. Jimmy Stewart plays an American who, though originally an Indian fighter, takes up the Apache cause. Paget gets killed in a shootout with some renegade whites, a better and more poignant story turn than the phony heroics of Nav'i who never could have beaten all that "bad white guy" firepower. "Broken Arrow," which I viewed recently is actually quite good and stands up. I think Cameron is a movie nerd, far beyond politics. Though he ain't a dope and realized that this story would massage those who make the decisions. When I turned Conservative (Clinton and taxes did it) I realized that being liberal in Hollywood is like being Catholic in seventeenth Century Spain.
Why don't you just crawl back into your bomb shelter. I despise all you neocons and will never vote for a f- -king republican again. Your crew just got done raping this country and and you have to find a political message in everything to defend your simplistic ideals.
I went along with my kids and had very low expectations to begin (CGI = Cartoon Glorified Images right?) so was pleasantly surprised. I actually came away thinking it's the best movie I've ever seen, bumping "Empire of the Sun" to second place. At last, a movie that contains a degree of awareness. Are we so ingrained as a nation into exploitation that we can't forgive "Avatar's" simplicity and applaud its message. So what if it took cartoon like fantasy with about as much plot to get it across. I hope this sets a lasting trend which inspires measurable results in our society's consciousness.
The fact is, the movie was designed to intruige people about the world. The Na'vi were itnentionally portrayed to be an intruiging, mystical species. And with only a small amount of time to show everything that he bunched in, there are generalities made. And if make anything too general, it appears cliche and stereotypical.
missed out on that one, didn't you…
[...] Big Hollywood’s John Nolte, one of my favorite outspoken right-wing film essayists, blasted the film, calling it “a sanctimonious thud of a movie so infested with one-dimensional [...]
Question, strong feelings aside it is quite obvious that you are in the minority here, per the movies earnings. Which when divided by the average movie ticket price render about 143 million viewers, lets save this for later. However even under the assumption that this movie is total leftist propaganda, anti capitalism and what not. What is wrong with that, after all based on the following this movie has culminated is such a short time I think this movie may top the highest approval rating of the American people for really just about anything, making this movie quite American citing this "we the people" structure for this nation. More so, visual appeal aside, the fact that Avatar did not send the mob clammering about anti imperialist non sense upon leaving the theater and hitting the online networks suggest that Avatar may embody what it a growing sentiment among the American people. I thought as well that this movie smacked of Mesoamerica and the Spaniards, unobtanium being the modern incarnation of Aztec Gold. However the displacement and reduction (to put it lightly) of an indigenous population for material gain may be a story worth retelling. There really is nothing anti American about it, there is something anti-political interest about it, which history again provides ample lessons about. I could go on for a bit about this however I will encapsulate it like this. "Rome is the mob" fine a movie quote but the point it still made, what is American is what American's think it is.The fact that this film has garnered such praise in so short a time and really no significant disenfranchisement about the story is a clear signal of how American this movie really is. Just a thought, I look forward to your reply.
This reviewer is simply pathetic.
Why do so many conservatives take it tooooo far and get in the way of sane criticism…get a life.
There is a documentary called "Why We Fight" Here is a link on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgDBOuJn9G0&fe...
Learn about what you are indirectly involved in.
The comments here are a blast. So is this were the "Avatar" haters are hanging out. I knew you had to be somewhere where you feel safe. Do keep it up though, I find your anger humorous.
I have to agree with a previous post, thinking that Jurassic Park was more ahead of its time is showing more then a little bias. How about something more landmark, like Steamboat Willy, or Tron, or Toy Story.
Regardless, its the same basic story core as a lot of good movies. Dances with Wolves, Quigley Down Under, The Last Samurai, take your pick of the litter, its the same story line as Avatar with a different setting.
If anything its far more reflective of expansionist America post civil war then it is now. Natives get bullied into submission by a technologically superior, numerically inferior, society who are their to strip their resources and take their land. This time they win.
People are looking for anything to whine about these days. It's just a fiction fantasy movie with at most some parallels to our world. I never even considered this was an "allegory" for the Iraq invasion. Last I checked the inhabitants of Iraq were not peaceful and nature-loving. The military contractors in the movie were a whole different animal than in Iraq- on a far away planet with no supervision working for a corporation not the government. The movie doesn't encourage cheering for an "insurgency" against "American soldiers". If anything, the viewer is cheering against corrupt soldiers-of-fortune invading a native population. The motivations of the mining operation in the film are more similar with those of Saddam invading Kuwait or Spanish conquistadors in the Americas, than the U.S. invading Iraq. People need to lighten up an look at this as entertainment, sure you can draw similarities to some aspects of our current world but these critics are really strectching things here.
This article is so bizarre and John Nolte's comments (as they appeared in "The Week" website are more revealing about his failings than the movies. 1) It's the extreme right which is anti-American. (Despite their confused ranting, America is not land or a flag – it's the people and the constitution; And Republicans on the extreme right clearly cannot stand Americans or the constitution). 2) Bloodlust? Again that describes the "pry this gun from my cold dead hands" extreme right… not the left. 3) An how can anyone call themselves American refer to Iraq as one of America's greatest achievements? It is one of the darkest blots on America's history.
Is Avatar a flawless movie? Not by any means. But John Nolte's comments show that, not only does he not understand filmmaking, or this particular movie, but he doesn't even understand America.
I saw this movie and was so freaken angry that I paid the money. If anyone wants to see it, they should pay for another movie and walk-in to this one. Do not send your money to this LOON, Cameron! A big waste of time! I wanted to be watch a movie not to be preached to by on how bad, ignorant, heartless America is. It's like watching a movie that is written by the ACLU, PETA, CODE PINK and Keith Olbermamn himself.
[...] Big Hollywood’s John Nolte, one of my favorite outspoken right-wing film essayists, blasted the film, calling it “a sanctimonious thud of a movie so infested with one-dimensional [...]
Aren't the comments here from the conservative *simpletons* a riot? They're so predictable I can't stand it any longer….. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They'll never understand the simple truth that *strength* does not only come from the end of a barrel.
…. so I bet your gut is wishing you could shoot me now to shut me up? As a war vet… you wouldn't stand a chance….
Wow. If you can't even enjoy a mass-entertainment, spectacle-tastic, go-for-broke techno-gonzo flick like "Avatar" (which, sorry, IS ground-breaking…have you not read anything on the filmmakers 3-D cinematic technological advances?), reckon you ought to just stay home and rewatch your VHS copy of "Birth of a Nation."
And if you did not "for one minute believe the Na'vi…was something organic or real," that says more about what's lacking in your brain (it's called "willing suspension of disbelief"… the very thing films are built on) and heart (hope, love, an emotional connection to the physical world you inhabit).
You must be so pissed this film is making buttloads at the box office (in no small part thanks to middle America)…
I hear this guy Melville wrote a book about a big, mean white guy, sounds like more typical liberal pandering….LMAO. You whinners need to climb of the cross.
HA ha, he's already earned a billion dollars in three weeks. Suck it rethuglican!
..that's right…. you heard me…. it's way too simple even for the *simpletons*.
[...] des premiers à s’être élevé contre l’histoire d’Avatar. Dans un billet particulièrement virulent, il explique que le film est anti-américain. Rien de moins! Car, vous comprenez, ce qui choque le [...]
FACT: this movie has grossed over a billion dollars worldwide —- WAIT, STOP THE PRESSES —- Let's hear what the right wing has to say about ART?? let me guess, Nolte's cinematic criticisms are based upon comparing Hollywood to "Birth of A Nation" right? lol. Anti-American? Isn't it Anti-American to stop someone from trying to be Anti-American, aka free speech, even against government/military complex? sidenote: JOHN NOLTE WANTS TO DESTROY NATURE? You know humans are bound by environmental conditions in nature right???!!! wow, this guy is really serious right? ha, lol.
[...] “Think of “Avatar” as “Death Wish 5” for leftists. A simplistic, revisionist revenge fantasy where if you freakin’ hate the bad guys (America), you’re able to forgive the by-the-numbers predictability of it all and still get off watching them get what they got coming.” – John Nolte, BigHollywood.com [...]
another neo-con past his prime and trying to reclaim relevance by going against something that is popular. The best of luck. You sir are a true hack.
[...] REVIEW: Cameron’s ‘Avatar’ Is a Big, Dull, America-Hating, PC Revenge Fantasy I’m sure that people who like this screwball film thought Brokeback Mountain was the cats meow. [...]
the more budget for movie U have…. the bigger crap U will make…
Sherlock Holmes rules (cant wait for sequel)…
Oh no! An evil American corporation has created this superior visual effects entertainment about spiritual natives fighting off evil American corporations take over. How more anti-American can you get, you take their money by giving them something they want? Your review is full of b.s. Knocking down the mother tree is= to 9/11? Do you get paid for this sh*t you write?
You just hold your breath and keep hoping. Nearly $1 billion at the box office so far, more than triple his investment of 300 million. Have fun suffocating (though I doubt the brain-damage it causes could possibly lower your IQ).
Oh, I'm sorry, you must be blind!
No worries, I'm sure you can just reread your braille copy of Mein Kampf again.
Wow, 63 percent? It seems IMPOSSIBLE then that your largely marginalized whacko party could possibly have lost the election. But you did.
Go have a tea party, Repuglican. Don't forget your dress.
Wrong… he made double and will probably make more. But its just money.
Why do you think America is percieved as the human beings… why not the entire world.
This point has been debated all over here in the many (and I would agree with some that perhaps a bit too many) articles on this particular subject. One would have to be blind not to notice the inference (not to mention the parallels claimed by Cameron himself in many interviews, bragging about what he is doing).
Have to admit, you got me there. I did underestimate how many foriegn America haters would flock to it.
[...] ‘Avatar’ Is a Big, Dull, America-Hating, PC Revenge Fantasy,” was the headline over Big Hollywood’s review, which included a bizarre attempt to charge Cameron with politically exploiting 9/11. Other [...]
First, Avatar isn't about America. It is set in the FUTURE. It is a SciFi film. We don't even know if America even exists. Yes, there are, for the most part, American actors, but should Cameron have used Polish actors to keep your feelings from being hurt?
Second, Avatar retells a story that is a historical FACT- the rape of the Americas by Spanish colonizers. And the parallels are obvious. The Spanish came to the Americas for gold–that is them speaking not me. And they raped, pillaged and murdered to get it–what they could find, at least. In Avatar it is some mineral that is rare and valuable.
In Avatar they even refer to the native inhabitants of this planet as "savages"–a word that colonialists use to help them sleep at night after a long, hard day of genocide.
Perhaps Conservatives just don't like history, or maybe they have a soft spot for colonialism and genocide.
You decide.
[...] ‘Avatar’ Is a Big, Dull, America-Hating, PC Revenge Fantasy,” was the headline over Big Hollywood’s review, which included a bizarre attempt to charge Cameron with politically exploiting 9/11. Other [...]
If you saw AVATAR and did not like it, then you need a enema!
you would'nt watch this movie? why? cause you aint got no money? or no brain? or both?
ok, dont see the movie, you idiot.
today is 10/10/2010….look at the reviews now. you are an idiot.
John Nolte. A film critic? HA HA HA. he dont know shit from apple butter.
Avatar is a gret movie. i saw it 4 times. let these fools who dont want to see it go home and play tic tac toe, hows that for entertainment.
hey, go change your wet diaper and stay off the internet.
Cancervatives have a problem anytime the good guys win and the killers lose.
I AM A DIE HARD REPUBLICAN AND THIS MOVIE WAS FABULOUS ! …IT WAS AWESOME !… I DIDNT WANT TO LEAVE THE THEATER !… THE MOVIE WAS SO WELL DONE YOU FELT LIKE YOU WERE THE ONE HAVING THIS AWESOME EXPERIENCE IN A TOTALLY MAGICAL WORLD !… I FAIL TO SEE HOW IT COMES ACROSS AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE STORY PLOT ? I DONT THINK IT WAS THE ARMY BUT A COMPANY OF SOME SORT LIKE A PAID MERCENARY TO GET THE STONE OR MATERIAL THAT WAS WORTH SO MUCH….. . AVATAR WAS THE BEST MOVIE I HAVE SEE IN A LONG LONG TIME . LOVED IT
Neil P
Predictable, CLICHE Lines from actors, Dragging. I never felt any excitement and influence from the film. THIS IS SO AFRICA Fighting for land crap. SERIOUSLY!!! Have you watched the Air Up There???.. SAMETHING!!
Score 0 / 10
This movie made over a billion dollars worldwide… and its just a few weeks in theaters. There must be a lot of people who aren't conservative idiots out there
Hi, You may not be a moron. Max may own that title for the moment. This New 3D technique is going to change everything, like silent to talkies, B&W to color. Next stop holographic. Wait until porn producers find out that they can apply this technique to movies that are already in the can. (sorry, had to)
I'm with you on the "don't support Hollywood" thing. bittorrents of new movies does work well.
But, with Avatar, go and enjoy. Drive pretty far if needed to get to a 3D theater. It was a remarkable immersion.
The trite and common theme that white men, especially military and corporate types suck is not the reason this movie exists. Though it is the reason it was possible. HaHa tell that to a tree-hugger.
I don't know how to explain my willingness to go see it, and for $17 no less, at a IMAX 3D (though I got one free ticket through a Fandango-Blockbuster promotion). Maybe it was the article at Popular Science Online about this new 3d technique.
btw; every officer in Irag was a college grad and the average education of the force exceeds the average level of education of our general populace.
Oh how frustrated John Nolte must feel! He slams a movie as liberal and behold! it's on track to be probably the highest grossing movie of all time! More power to the delusional extremists, who see a plot in everything.
Funny, I thought it was typically white man saves the natives colonial romanticism. true lefties will NOT like this racist movie.
Maybe his wife got an affair with the blue man group?
To Mr. Nolte: are you a frustrated person? Who still believe that Native American should be thankful to USA for teaching them civilization and raping their sacred lands? Does the image in the mirror disturbing you?
This move might equally be a "Spanish-Conquistador-hating movie" since they too invaded a place, attempted to exploit the local resources and do away with the natives. However, I do think this is an American allegory, given than the name of the natives seems to be derived from the word "Navajo". Are we really "anti-American" if we think it is wrong to exploit and exterminate natives to acquire their land and resources? Is it "anti-American" to be against the early extermination of American Indians? Is it "anti-capitalist" to be against these things? Can I not be for the Consitution and against these things?
Funny how extreme-right conservationist are always keen to fight battles that have been lost long before. The world moves on, fella, whether you like it or not. And there's no "right or wrong my country" anymore. Not since you and your friends led the country to the most desastrous and illegitimate war for a long time. Now people think outside of the box that you and your pals from Fox News have built for us.
Wow. Just wow. Politics, what are they for again? Helping one's country(and possible the world) to become a better place? That's what I thought it was supposed to be, but it seems to me it's just an excuse for more fighting and arguing. It's kind of sad that this is what politics does to people…
Both liberals AND conservatives, watch the damn movie or don't. It's pretty simple. No reason to rip each other's throats out over it.
Five weeks later and America and The World have spoken. Doesn't John Nolte and his ring-wing commentators ("Oh, heavens! I will not go to see this godless film!") look ridiculous and pathetic now?
It's a spectacular film. The first GREAT 3-D masterpiece. And it shows soldiers with heart, conscience and skill triumphing over mercenaries. Americans like their soldiers to have heart, conscience and skill. Go figure.
And KUDOS to James Camerson — who no matter what his politics — is an excellent director.
So wait, to you the "home tree" was standing for the World Trade Towers?
Yet you're claiming that the natives who inhabit it stand for those who want to harm Americans?
Say what now?
Listen I actually agree with about every other word you wrote here, that is, this is a very predictable cliche-filled plot, of the kind that Hollywood movies pump out constantly.
The idea however that it's got some sort of "liberal bias" is utterly ridiculous, and the examples you give to try to paint it as such are contradicting themselves off the page.
James Cameron wrote the screenplay for "Rambo" (the second in the series) which was the most pro-USA, pro-military script imaginable. The first movie, "First Blood", could conceivably be called anti-war, though it was really just anti-authority, and had the virtue of actually being a good movie. Cameron however had nothing to do with it.
Sorry, bad, predictable plot and dialogue? You betcha. Liberal screed? Please.
It's all about the visuals with this one, the plot, dialogue and acting are all afterthoughts to hang the special effects and art onto. Or if they weren't afterthoughts, that's really even worse.
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I can understand the wrath and mindless objections of Nolte and his right-wing crowd. The film depicts most Marines precisely as they are trained to think and act, as personified by Col. Quaritch, as the bloodthirsty, take-no-prisoners assholes they take pride in being. Yes, he's a one dimensional killer elite, but then aren't most Marines? I think the film does a real service to humanity by reminding all who are able to view it of just how fucked up America can be, especially towards those whose cultures we don't understand or whose natural resources we covet. But the film is not entirely one-sided, since it shows that even Marines can be redeemed and do good, as I trust they are now proving in Haiti (even if they had to be ordered there to help). Sadly, the Right apparently cannot see or appreciate the redemptive qualities Cameron gives Corporal Sully. Only right-wing nut-jobs (and of course those who prefer more complex characters) could take offense at Cameron's portrayal of Quaritch. Frankly, I thought Stephen Lang's performance brought some much-needed levity to the film, much as did Charles Tyner's in his wonderfully comic performance of Gen. Ball in Harold & Maude and R. Lee Ermey in his brutally humorous performance as Gunnery Sgt. Hartman in Full Metal Jacket. I hope that Lang gets nominated for some award for his performance in making such an asshole so lovable. Now that's a complex character!
why do the conservatives get angry when they get called out? why cant they just drop some reason on a bitch?
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I thought Avatar was a very good film. And it will deservedly earn lots of money. Yes, it is tree-hugging, anti-imperialistic propaganda, but it is good propaganda. America, like many empires before, has despoiled the world since its inception and will continue to do so until we are bankrupt, and go the way of our predecessors. It is good of Cameron to remind us of that.
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[...] you conservatives out there – yeah, there is something of a liberal slant to the thing that’s been shouted out ad nauseum to this point [...]
[...] you conservatives out there – yeah, there is something of a liberal slant to the thing that’s been shouted out ad nauseum to [...]
[...] you conservatives out there – yeah, there is something of a liberal slant to the thing that’s been shouted out ad nauseum to this point – the [...]
[...] you conservatives out there – yeah, there is something of a liberal slant to the thing that’s been shouted out ad nauseum [...]
[...] you conservatives out there – yeah, there is something of a liberal slant to the thing that’s been shouted out ad nauseum to this point [...]
[...] you conservatives out there – yeah, there is something of a liberal slant to the thing that’s been shouted out ad nauseum to this [...]
[...] you conservatives out there – yeah, there is something of a liberal slant to the thing that’s been shouted out ad nauseum [...]
[...] you conservatives out there – yeah, there is something of a liberal slant to the thing that’s been shouted out ad nauseum to this point [...]
[...] you conservatives out there – yeah, there is something of a liberal slant to the thing that’s been shouted out ad nauseum to this [...]
[...] you conservatives out there – yeah, there is something of a liberal slant to the thing that’s been shouted out ad [...]
[...] you conservatives out there – yeah, there is something of a liberal slant to the thing that’s been shouted out ad nauseum [...]
well it did when Bush was in office soooo…. yep.
yeh dem demokrats shoor dunt do nawthin huh?
man isn't it great to be blue collar AND better than everyone else?
all i heard was "blah blah blah hollywood is out to rape my family in the night with their liberal ideals", maybe i missed something…
not really, it qualifies as continuing much of the dimwitted stereotyping that this site promotes. honestly it's just a ton of fun watching you conservatives get so riled up over this movie
1.6 billion in counting! oh the irony of your post!
oh AND 3rd highest grossing film in AMERICA. guess its not just all the people of the world who hate America… hmmm maybe people like an entertaining movie that is also eco-friendly promoting?
or is it people who use spelling errors to comment on others' intelligence that are stupid? or at least lack good argumentative abilities… hmmm
Yeah well before the movie came out Cameron advertized it as an action adventure thriller.
He never told anyone it would be the funniest movie produced since Plan 9 from Outer Space.
Honestly how can you not laugh out load through a movie that has an ex marine hippie in an oversized alien smurf body link his tail to a tree to perform a vulcan mind meld with a planet sized tree to warn it that the evil humans were coming and they killed their mother so that nothing green grows on there planet. Sorry but that time I was laughing so hard I missed the rest of the speech.
I take it back Cameron is pure comic genious! Ed Woods would be proud!
How typical of a self-loathing, America-hating, misanthopic liberal. No wonder you enjoyed it…becaues it's another one of the ivory-tower, hollywood crowds white-guilt trips. It was a piece of trash and you know it.
"but it’s always back to the film’s dullest characters: the one-dimensional Na’vi…. is it okay to mention how hard it is to keep track of who’s who, because the Na’vi, uhm … all look alike?"
I was disappointed with this aspect of the film too. It’s a lot easier to make one group look bad when their opposition is so completely perfect.
Are there really no fat, mentally handicapped, deformed, lazy, or different colored na’vi. God forbid one of them might be born with a skin pigment disorder and be white.
If these individual anomalies do occur, what happens to them? Are they killed at birth? Maybe there’s a special place on Pandora we haven’t seen yet where they’re sacrificed to Mother Ewa.
Nolte, you are a true dyed in the wool fuck-nut. You can only dream that your entire career earnings would amount to 1/100th of one percent of a single weekend rake for this blockbuster.
“a precious energy resource “ironically” called Unobtainium.”
It should have been called Canobtanium, since they were already mining it. Or maybe – since it’s reportedly worth $20 million per kilo – they should have called it Unaffordium. Can you imagine what your heating bill would look like if you ran your furnace on this stuff?
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Joe Doakes · 6 weeks ago
The only thing these pinkos understand is losing money – let's make this the biggest loser!!!
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lol, hows this working for you??
I'm about as left as they come, and I have to say that this review is dead on the money about everything.
boring movie, not very creative same story line as tarzan. Well I think it was made to teach the evil white man valuable lessons
haha, YOU = EPIC FAIL
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Are you kidding me? This was a really good movie. And all those people who are saying this movie sucks just say that to James Cameron's face and see how he will take it. Geez give people a break sometimes.
AVATAR WAS AWESOME!!!! DON'T THINK ABOUT IT SO MUCH AND JUST WATCH THE DAMN MOVIE! IT'S REALLY GOOD! SO WHAT IF THEIR ARE CLICHES?? ALL ORIGINAL IDEAS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE AT SOME POINT! THIS MOVIE ROCKS MY SOCKS =) I <3 IT!
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And he is also writing a prequel to the movie.
Looks like he is surprised on his own success.
Well….it's February 17th and Avatar is the highest grossing movie in history. Can't wait for Cameron to "lose his shirt". Exactly what did Nolt what's his face expect from this movie? For the mercenaries to the be good guys showing the blue savages that "we don't stop"? Did he expect the obtainium to go to a supposedly ruined Earth and usher in a prosperious and perpetual era of capitalism and magically restore everything. American movies don't work that way. They are anti-establishment, pro-underdog by nature of our culture. Either get over it, or make your damn movie. Stuff like this isn't even apparent unless you are a neocon looking for it.
James Cameron was on The View yesterday, and he responded to the criticism of people like you who say Avatar is a slur on the US Military. Cameron pointed out that the "military" in Avatar were private contractors working for corporations (are they always ethical?) and that the lead character whom we follow is a Marine.
Seems to me that people like you go out of your way to make your tired political points. Avatar was just a launchpad for your sick hatred of Liberals. You are not doing any good at all with your slanted carping. Why don't you go do something useful for a change, like sweep floors?
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