The Polanski Culture: Hollywood’s Push to Normalize Sex With Children
by John NolteThe vocal, sanctimonious Free-Polanski uproar is merely a symptom of an entertainment culture infected with a moral cancer – a culture that regularly practices up on the screen what we’ve heard them preach this last week on behalf of a confessed child rapist.
Last year Miramax released “Doubt,” a high-profile piece of Oscar-bait starring Academy Award winners’ Meryl Streep and Philip Seymour Hoffman. Streep plays a puritanical nun on a moral crusade to expose a Priest (Hoffman) who she believes is sexually abusing a 12 year-old boy. Both characters are portrayed as unsympathetic (especially Streep’s) but in just a couple scenes the boy’s working-class mother (Mrs. Miller, played by Viola Davis) is established as the moral center of the film – the only one truly interested in the welfare of her child. When Mrs. Miller’s informed that her son’s being molested, the Moral Center Of The Film responds that her 12 year-old boy is gay, a social outcast, and beaten regularly by his homophobic father … so maybe the best option for him is a sexual relationship with a forty-something child predator.
Starring Aaron Eckhart, Maria Bello, and written and directed by Oscar-winner Alan Ball, last year’s “Towelhead” is a film Roman Polanski might have seen many, many times while wearing a rain coat. The protagonist is 13 year-old Jasira (played by the then barely eighteen Summer Bishil) and the story surrounds her sexual abuse at the hands of a number of men, including Eckhart’s Gulf War Vet. Rather than the repeated abuse damaging the young girl, the filmmaker portrays the rapes and molestations as a healthy and sexually liberating experience. More than once the audience is “treated” to lingering shots of Jasira’s bare legs as she discovers the joys of the orgasm while masturbating to photographs of naked women.
Kate Winslet won last year’s Best Actress Oscar for her role in “The Reader,” in which she plays a “sympathetic” Nazi guilty of mass murder who seduces and then engages in a steamy sexual affair with a 15 year-old boy. The sex scenes between this mature woman and a child lean heavily on the erotic, as opposed to the creepy. (The “sympathetic Nazi” issue we’ll save for another post.)
Yes, in just one year, Hollywood released three films that in one way or another portrayed sex with children as potentially healthy or their molester as sympathetic. And these aren’t fringe, indie films either. All three involve name stars and Oscar winners.
Unfortunately, this is not a conspiracy. Hollywood deviants never gathered together to plan for a slate of films aimed at a drip-drip campaign designed to dull our moral outrage towards the most heinous crime imaginable. It’s worse than that. We’re up against a culture; the same culture that can’t quite grasp why a child rapist should have to serve prison time for a crime he’s confessed to.
And this is how cinematic propaganda works. Whether the filmmaker’s motivations are good or evil, the idea is to get decent and thoughtful people to start second guessing themselves as they’re enveloped in the dark and held captive by the powerful sound and fury of the moving picture. First we’re led to identify and sympathize with a particular character, then that character does something designed to challenge our belief structure. This can range from, “If John Wayne opposes racism, maybe I should,” to, “Well, if a loving mother is okay with it, maybe I need to get a little more nuanced and tolerant about this whole child-rape thing.”
On its face, that may sound laughable, and maybe it is, but that doesn’t mean our eyes are lying to us. Last year merely topped off a campaign targeted at our children that began some time ago.
In 2006’s “Notes on a Scandal,” Academy Award winner Cate Blanchett plays a school teacher engaged in a steamy sexual affair with one of her students. Like “The Reader,” the sex scenes between a mature woman and her student strive for the erotic and never once does the story stop to examine how such a destructive affair might psychologically affect a teen-aged boy. That same year, in “Little Children,” Jackie Earle Haley was Oscar-nominated for his support work as a molester just released from prison who’s the victim of that favorite Hollywood whipping boy, suburban hypocrisy. Just two years earlier, Kevin Bacon’s heroic molester in “The Woodsman” not only saves the day and wins the pretty girl, but in his valiant struggle to “reform” he’s presented as a kind of “civil rights” metaphor as policemen and “intolerant” co-workers torment him.
The award for Most Unsettling, however, must go to 2004’s “Birth,” where Academy Award winner Nicole Kidman stars as a widow convinced her dead husband has returned in the form of a 10 year-old boy. If watching a near-forty year-old woman exchange longing looks with a little kid isn’t creepy enough, wait till they end up naked in a bathtub together.
Whether it’s true or not that seventy-five years ago Clark Gable nearly bankrupted the t-shirt industry by not wearing one in “It Happened One Night,” what is true is that billions of dollars are spent annually by advertisers convinced sound and images can alter behavior. You’d have to be a fool to make an argument against the persuasive powers of moving images, but those fools do exist. Most of them are liars.
The Hollywood Left is many things but they’re not fools and they fully understand the power of the medium under their control. Certainly, damning everyone who works in the entertainment world would be unfair, but this is also a culture where only a handful of “names” were willing to speak out against the pro-Polanski movement – including many Leftists who have never been shy about speaking out in the past.
The film industry has a history to be proud of when it comes to opposing racism, homophobia and anti-Semitism. Unfortunately, the most vocal from this current crop seem all too ready to tarnish that legacy as they target our children for profit and worse.
Is it too much to ask of the Hollywood Left that they show as much intolerance towards the sexualization of young children as they do towards conservatives and Christians?
That question has already been answered.
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Pedophilia is considered absolutely normal in liberal-land. This is the reason we will all see soon enough how the Obama administration will attempt to make it a societal norm as part of his "change" for America. Hang on to your morals folks….it's going to be a horrific ride.
When the Hollywood elite read news stories about child molesters and sexual predators, they aren't horrified; they're taking notes. It's not a crime story, it's a "how to" lesson.
I wish it were as simple as blaming Hollywood for the moral decay we see around us. Hollywood is a big offender, maybe the biggest offender, but it is not the only source of this decay. The constant drum beat of insulting all religous people is another and this comes mainly from the Intelligent Athiest, an oxymoron if there ever was one. The enlightened left thinks that they are the best judge of wht is moral and they do not even have any standards. The old refrain from the 60's comes to mind,"If it feels good do it." This mentality, from the anything goes 60's is still prevelant today and is just as corrosive.
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Hollywood tries to mainstream any sort of abhorrent behavior. On the Left Coast, wrong is right and down is up, us silly old traditional folk are the aberration.
Although I knew that Hollywood has different moral standards than I do, I am feeling sick to my stomach after reading that article. All I want to do is protect my children from these demented people.
a couple of years ago Dakota Fanning was in some movie about a child who was raped. and on the promo tour she said "I'm ready for rape" I about crashed my car. I realize she was talking about the role, but what 12 year old is ready to portray that?
That is one of the worst crimes that can be inflicted upon another. and when it is with children…a special place in the 7th circle of hell. I'm willing to consider capital punishment.
Your comment abut Hollywood having a proud history opposing homophobia is a bit of normalization itself. We live under a constant drumbeat to accept it as normal behavior when it just isn't. The statistics of sexually transmitted diseases, drug use, and depression, are far higher with homosexual men. It is not because of homophobia. The rates are worse in more tolerant areas. Normalizing homosexuality is not doing anybody any favors. Otherwise, a good article.
"The film industry has a history to be proud of when it comes to opposing racism, homophobia and anti-Semitism."
This is as much BS as is the idea Hollywood cares about saving the children.
To Hollywood, racism, homophobia and anti-Semitism are just stage props used to sell their bogus soap of compassion; like the phony-baloney fake columns they erected to sell evil creatures.
The fact is, Hollywood preys upon children because they look at children as their personal play toys for soulless, empty, paper-mached ,narcissistic, self-indulgent skeevy creeps.
America, it is time to pull your collective head out of Kingdom Hollywood's collective anal cavity so that we do not have to suffer the stench of their crap-filled sewer; the stinky- brown slime all over your face is looking ugly like a Hollywood celebrity star.
Here's the thing. I have been reading various blogs from a variety of conservatives, and I will reiterate the same thing I have been saying for years. If the majority of Americans identify themselves as conservatives ,why in God's name do they continue to make these idiots in hollywood rich by seeing their movies?
The argument, " oh I don't agree with this or that actor's view, but I really like their work' is exactly the reason why they become more and more brazen and emboldened. Stop promoting their movies! If the funding by two thirds of mainstream Americans simply dried up and was no longer the engine that keep these narcissistic, depraved and ignorant fools afloat, these idiots would disappear into the irrelevant abyss that they so rightly belong!
The sad truth is that in spite of stars like Megan Fox and others with their anti Conservative, anti-Christian, and anti-American,with their the hate filled ranting, we, the right continue to spend money on their films and thus adding to the ongoing onslaught of filth that is deemed as morals and ethics from the cesspool that is hollywood.
Take your wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend out on a date instead with the money you would have spent on the movie.
Just a thought
What a load of BS. This atheist is intelligent, conservative and ashamed of neither.
Look, richb313, we're all afraid of dying. Some of us, however, are unwilling to kid ourselves about going to heaven, hell, or to Michael Jackson's house after we physically die.
This fear of death is the undergirding of religion, with all its contradictory rules for living. I don't need Christ or Allah to tell me not to molest children. Any fool knows you SIMPLY DON'T DO THAT! However, you won't learn to refrain from molesting children by reading the Holy Bible. Search it out. There are no proscriptions on sexual abuse of children in the "good book."
What would be an acceptable alternative to "normalizing" homosexuality? Perhaps we could criminalize it. Do you think gay people choose to be gay? My nephew is gay. At one time, I had more than a dozen gay friends. Nowhere in all that experience did I get the sense that homosexuality is a "lifestyle choice."
I agree that gay people, particularly men, have lots of sadness and other dysfunctional aspects in their lives. It's something they experience all day every day. To characterize them as abnormal is accurate, because the norm is, in fact, heterosexuality. This is no easy problem. Only the mentally lazy try to sloganize their way around it.
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Right on!
Excellent point Keith! I think I'll spend my money elsewhere.
One can sympathize and see the humanity in an alchoholic without telling them that behavior is acceptable.
One can also sympathize with a pedophile who has unwanted attractions without accepting the behavior.
You have not read it then, and if you have you do not understand. Jesus said basically that anyone who would harm children would have no salvation. There have been several interpretaions of this, just as the definition of children has changed through the years.
I do not think any religion has an exclusive on the True Nature of God or the Supreme Being but to deny the very real possibility of the existence of such a Being is to not understand the paradox of causality. What was before the Big Bang? That question is actually meaningless because there was no time before the Big Bang, yet it happened anyway. God is said to have existed before the beginning and after the end. This is a concept, that until recently, confused many. Modern Physics has actually given more credence to the early biblical passages than not.
There are entire chapters devoted to it in the old testament. Most of them involve towns that engaged in all kinds of sexual immorality–towns that don't exist anymore because God hit His delete button. See anything related to Sodom and Gomorrah, Baal, Moloch…
Well, remember how it was "cute" for Drew Barrymore to dress like a street walker and snort coke at 11?
Specifically, where in the Bible does anyone say, "Don't sexually molest children."? Is that too much to ask? Why all the generalities?
On an unrelated note, where, specifically, in the Bible does anyone say, "Do not keep slaves."?
As to the question of God's existence, most atheists say there's no way, at present, to know. What I do know is, the confabulation you call the Holy Bible is a huge collection of BS, scribbled by drunken savages, many of whom seem to be clinically insane, as well.
Again, fear of dying is at the root of these incredible stories. I say incredible advisedly, meaning not credible, meaning not to be taken seriously.
All the gay men that I've known are sex addicts. It's a disease, much like alcholism, and it controls their lives. Most straight people that I know, once they get out of the frat house, are capable of holding a thought in their head that doesn't resolve around sex. My gay friends, though, constantly, throughout the day, apropos of nothing: "I want some c___." "Mmmm. Penises." "I would go down on him in a heartbeat." etc, etc. Imagine listening to this, all day, every day. In my sample set, this is the norm for that demographic.
Whether it's a choice or not, the sexual addiction is there.There is a hole in these men's souls that can't be filled with other men's genitals. Homosexuality doesn't need to be criminalized any more than alcoholism does, but they do need our help. Saying "It's perfectly ok, go and do this to your heart's content" is not the right answer, however.
Well, as a kid after learning about Jane Fonda's actions, I stoped watching her movies. As I've grown older, more actors have joined that list, such as Sean Penn. They are free to preach what they want, just as I'm free not to pay to see their works.
Could you just tell me that, for instance, I can find the Biblical injunction against sexual molestation of children by turning to 1st Confabulations; Verses 3-15? Entire chapters devoted to it? I see entire chapters devoted to insane babbling about how badly one should beat a slave, how many of the enemy should be left alive (usually none), or any number of ways to settle a sand (sorry, I meant land) dispute between drunken, ignorant savages.
Just chapter and verse, please. (Jeopard music starts)
Could you just tell me that, for instance, I can find the Biblical injunction against sexual molestation of children by turning to 1st Confabulations; Verses 3-15? Entire chapters devoted to it? I see entire chapters devoted to insane babbling about how badly one should beat a slave, how many of the enemy should be left alive (usually none), or any number of ways to settle a sand (sorry, I meant land) dispute between drunken, ignorant savages.
Just chapter and verse, please. (Jeopardy music begins…)
But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
- Mathew 18:6
Years ago, I read a book about the Twilight Zone accident that killed Vic Morrow and two children and that book went through great lengths to describe how clueless Hollywood directors could be about real world concerns like safety. Let's just say that I found John Landis' name on the Polanski petition ironic, as well.
Sorry, but that's not true. Hollywood liberals are a different thing than liberals elsewhere, I think.
The Obama administration is not that bad as some people would like to portray them.
Homosexuals are not, per se, alcoholics or pedophiles. Alcoholics have already been normalized. Pedophiles will never, I fervently hope, be normalized.
Why are you speaking in parables? Are you guys actually Jesus, using two different names, just clowning around with me? If so, that's hardly a worthwhile way for a Deity to spend His time.
Again, what would be an acceptable alternative to "normalizing" homosexuality? (Jeopardy music begins…)
Homosexuals are not, per se, alcoholics or pedophiles. Alcoholics have already been normalized. Pedophiles will never, I fervently hope, be normalized.
Why are you speaking in parables? Are you guys actually Jesus, using two different names, just clowning around with me? If so, that's hardly a worthwhile way for a Deity to spend His time.
Again, what would be an acceptable alternative to "normalizing" homosexuality? (Jeopardy music begins…)
Dear Mr. Nolte:
The NEA has denied art and new media for this post as it does not meet the progressive agenda. We suggest a mentor from the Hollywood majority who hasn't spoken out against our White House conference calls for your reeducation.
Sincerely,
Valerie Jarrett, Obama's Brain
I responded with the verse a post or two above this.
Could you please direct me to the chapter on beating slaves and the other things you mentioned?
It's also a matter of being true to your own morals and having a clear conscience. I think there are so many more of us who feel that way than Hollywood thinks. If we all vote with our wallets, will they notice?
I don't think alchoholics have been normalized. It is not seen as a desirable condition to have. You do not have to criminalize a behavior to discourage it. Not giving it legal sanction in marriage would be a start. Not glamorizing it on HGTV would also be a start. Not having BigHollywood columnists equate a sexual predilection with race would also be a start. All of us are human and many have different conditions but homosexuals have turned theirs into a civil right which is not correct,
I am not a biblical scholar. I cannot quote chapter and verse and make no attempt to. I have read the bible but I do not place any signifigance on any particular verse or chapter. I tend to read and understand things as a whole. It is easy to make anything mean anything if you disect it without regard to what the whole thing means.
I am sorry that you are araid of death. I am not. It does not matter if there is an afterlife or not. If you are afraid of death then you must secretly harbor thoughts that there is an afterlife and you are possibly on the wrong side. Maybe I am wrong but why do you fear what all of us will experience one day?
I am not a biblical scholar. I cannot quote chapter and verse and make no attempt to. I have read the bible but I do not place any signifigance on any particular verse or chapter. I tend to read and understand things as a whole. It is easy to make anything mean anything if you disect it without regard to what the whole thing means.
I am sorry that you are afraid of death. I am not. It does not matter if there is an afterlife or not. If you are afraid of death then you must secretly harbor thoughts that there is an afterlife and you are possibly on the wrong side. Maybe I am wrong but why do you fear what all of us will experience one day?
Whoa, I didn't realize there's been that many pedophilic movies lately. Now I know not to watch.
It seems to me that the trend in movies today is to provoke viewers to think about issues, for example from the rapist point of view. Some people probably have a theory that this might lead them judge this kind of behavior more. I don't know whether it's working. Maybe it indeed leads people to accept this kind of behavior.
This age wants to pry out all the dark secrets and recesses of human mind and behavior. People want to see some sort of real fiction, which means that the characters must be portrayed as real, flawed people. And those common, flawed people then rise to be heroes. What happens then when the flaws of these people are utterly criminal and still they're portrayed as heroes? What does it take before the audience see the hero turn into a complete villain? Not into an anti-hero, but into a completely bad person? Does this ever happen in the movies?
LOL — Fear of death is a reasonable, very common fear. I agree, it doesn't matter whether there is an afterlife, since no system would punish those who refuse to bow down to ignorance. If there is an afterlife, it's available to all of us, atheists and believers alike. If there is an afterlife, there is no "wrong side."
I fear death because I have an ego, which will cease to exist upon my death. I also fear for my family after my death, because our government is going absolutely batsh*t crazy, which should be our #1 concern, not a book of fantasies from long ago.
You don't fear death because your fantasy protects you from that fear.
If there was a TABU list from the sixties then it will be assailed by the left: Polygamy anyone?
If there was a TABOO list from the sixties then it will be assailed by the left: Polygamy anyone?
If a topic was on a TABOO list from the sixties then it will be assailed by the left: Polygamy anyone?
You can go back to Peter Lorre's Grieg-whistling child killer Hans Beckert in Fritz Lang's M, who is exonerrated at the film's end by way of the audience being preached to that such behavior is beyond the perpetrator's control. Granted, it was a German film, but still, a precursor of the modern day Hollywood message.
Yes, thank you again for your reply.
Exodus, Chapter 21. beginning with verse 20: And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."
So, the Bible allows a pretty severe beating of slaves. The slaveholder is not to be punished if the slave is up and able to work within a day or two.
There are many great sites where you can read the Bible's "wisdom" on slavery and other topics. Just use a search engine and keep trying. You'll be amazed.
Yes, thank you again for your reply.
Exodus, Chapter 21. beginning with verse 20: And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue in a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."
So, the Bible allows a pretty severe beating of slaves. The slaveholder is not to be punished if the slave is up and able to work within a day or two.
There are many great sites where you can read the Bible's "wisdom" on slavery and other topics. Just use a search engine and keep trying. You'll be amazed.
You're not wrong. Despite their assurances, homosexual activists will open the door to legalized child rape if they can redefine marriage to include same-sex couples.
This is the law of unintended consequences.
I would agree, Keith, honestly. Except it's very often we have to struggle to really know what a movie is about before we walk into the theatre. Consider the recent film called "Invention of Lying". I was watching some of the trailors describing the movie and thought it looked cute and funny. I anticipated something that would describe the dangers of lies and/or uphold the value of honesty, sort of like "Liar Liar" perhaps. It wasn't until I came here and read some reviews I realized the tale was actually an attack on faith and religion. I might have actually purchased tickets to see the movie otherwise. There are a lot of movies like that, where the trailors depict amusing or otherwise engaging stories. I've learned I have to consider reviews before ever stepping foot in a theatre or buying a dvd. Doesn't mean I won't go ahead and watch the movie, just because a review is negative, mind you. But I consider carefully where it is I spend my money, too. Not everyone does that, though. I had to learn the importance of being that proactive, in fact.
Thank you for that well-reasoned response. My heart goes out to these people, especially the ones who are addicted to sex, pills, booze or any other life-destroying substance or activity.
You must admit, though, that many heterosexuals make similar comments, just substituting the objectified person for someone of the opposite sex.
The verse actually refers to leading a child astray. Which, indeed, could be any number of things. If you don't think molesting a child is leading them astray and harmful to them, well thats another story.
However, atempting to discredit the verse by pointing out that it could mean any number of things, when infact the point is to mean any number of things. Jesus is very specific when he wants to be. He didnt really need to be that specific here because it basically says don't harm a child. Though, if you were able to interpret the verse into meaning that the fault lay on the child… I would assume I'm throwing pearls before swine. – Matthew 7:6
On another note. If you are under the impression that the point of following Jesus is to get into Heaven, as opposed to Hell. Or to avoid death, however you put it earlier. Then you lack even the slightest understanding of Jesus and/or the Bible, which I assume would make understanding it difficult.
This is a vast over simplifaction, but in a nutshell: I follow Jesus because I love Him. Because He first loved me.
Being an atheist I'm sure you're tired of hearing this, but, Jesus loves you too.
This is a great comment and dead on the money accurate. Thanks!!
I feel the need to clarify the pearls before swine verse. I was not insulting or calling you a swine. its an analogy to the swine not understanding the value of pearls. All i meant was you didn't understand the verse from reading your response.
What film? Unless you mean Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver…
I just posted this, so it will most likely end up in a double post, but for some reason mods have to look at the comment first and I presume you will have read my response before they do.
I was not being insulting or calling you a swine with the perals before swine verse. It is an A – N – A – L – O – G – Y in that the swine don't understand the value of pearls, and from reading your response you did not understand the verse.
Note: I spaced a – n – a – l – o – g – y out like this because I think thats what hit the filter.
No film, real life.
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Well, HumanPersonJr, I'm a gay man and a Conservative (note the capital 'C') and I'm neither dysfunctional nor sad all day. In fact, I awake each morning and thank my Heavenly Father for the new and glorious day he has given me.
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Sadly, Fanning did try to defend the rape of her character on camera:
http://www.popcrunch.com/dakota-fanning-defends-h...
The fact the director wants to show the scene makes me question his view of little girls.
Fortunately, the outcry against the normalizing of child rape led to Hound Dog tanking at the box office:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id...
But this film is yet another example of Hollywood trying to portray child rape as A-OK instead of the sick depravity it is.
Bravo. A wonderful chronology of Hollywood's descent into the abyss.
or is it 'intended consequences'? We are starting to think that this is being engineered so the so-called 'elite' can have their pool of nubile sex toys to do with as THEY SEE FIT. This is too widespread to be an accident. It isn't a gay or straight issue, either- it's an abuse of power story…
The Hollywood perversion goes even further, I'm afraid. These young stars that are chosen to act in these roles end up leading lives filled with the classic symptoms of abuse. I hear all the time about how actors "really get into the role" and they "try to connect with their character to better portray them on screen, make them more believable". That's a little frightening to me.
Nowadays, there are more websites that really delve into whether a movie is pushing a moral or immoral worldview. Here are two popular ones that reviewed Invention of Lying:
*Plugged In:
http://www.pluggedin.com/en/movies/InTheaters/Inv...
*Movieguide:
http://www.movieguide.org/box-office/7/10004/the-...
We conservatives are blessed with the resources in order to support the gold and skip the dross.
So, Keith is correct that we have NO more excuses for supporting films that mock or demean our values.
Who is the Prince of This World?
Thank you, Michael, for replying.
I should've mentioned this in my comment, above: Many of the gay men I've known who are sad and dysfunctional are that way due to external factors. I knew a wonderful young man, gay, whose father was terminally ill. When my friend walked into his dad's hospital room, dear ol' dad would say, "Well, there's the f*g*ot again," and turn to face the wall. How do you live with that and not be scarred?
I'm glad for your testimony, although you might want to re-think the Christian part (LOL, kidding). We Conservatives (I remembered the capital "C") are life-oriented, and I salute you for living a good life.
I'm also glad to know gay Conservatives. Political conservatism, practiced in government, is a benefit to everyone, not just straight, white males.
And this whole Jennings (Safe Schools for paedophiles) and his adoration of a NAMBLA member is just happenstance???
Also, I've known many gay men who were not (as far as I could tell) sex addicts. I salute any gay person, man or woman, who can life a good life and enjoy it, without succumbing to disastrous thoughts and activities.
Oh, so you're surprised the contemporary socialists take their lead from European Nazi SOCIALISTS?
This is sarcasm.
I do not think it is a matter of Hollywood playing politics so much as it is the industry reflecting general public sentiment. That especially holds true when it comes to the portrayal of male victims and female predators. The other reason for the films is because many in that industry like to be "provocative" and nothing is more provocative than the sexual abuse (or what they would likely frame as the sexuality) of children. What is more interesting is the juxtaposition between Hollywood's sensitive portrayal of sexual abuse and the same people's reaction to sexual violence when it occurs in the political spear. The same people who produced and supported the above films were the same people rallying for the 14-year-old girl who was raped in Iraq. These people supported the film Redacted that was about that experience primarily because the film annoyed conservatives and Republicans. It demonstrates the hypocrisy at play.
I am surprised that "Hound dog" did not make the list. It debuted along with a bestiality story at Sundance a few years back. That was the point where I swore that Hollywood would never get another minute of my time nor a dime of my money.
Many heterosexuals do, but there's a difference of degree. In my admittedly anecdotal experience, some heterosexual men are leches, but ALL homosexual men are.
The rates of sexually transmitted diseases ( HIV, syphillis, hepatitis, herpes, gonorreah, scabies) with homosexual men are extremely high. Pretending they are not is not helping them. I'm not saying this to be cruel it is just the truth.
You are painfully naive or uninformed.
I don't consider homophobia the "normalizing" of behavior… I get your point but to me Hollywood has done good and important work in the arena of allowing people to see the humanity in gays and lesbians — whereas before they were seen almost exclusive as punchlines, stereotypes and worse…
As far as normalizing any behavior — gay or striaght — involving loveless sex … I am with you 100%.
I don't consider homophobia the "normalizing" of behavior… I get your point but to me Hollywood has done good and important work in the arena of allowing people to see the humanity in gays and lesbians — whereas before they were seen almost exclusivy as punchlines, stereotypes and worse…
As far as normalizing any behavior — gay or striaght — involving loveless sex … I am with you 100%.
That's interesting to hear, though not surprising… Unfortunately.
I'm a big fan of both "Lolita" films and if you hit me on the right day, I'll tell you Lynne's is superior to Kubrick's.
Both do a very good job of portraying the molester as a dimensional human being without excusing his monstrous behavior. Lolita's ultimate fate also suggests the psychological effect on her was lasting. A promising, smart, virbant girl had her soul ripped from her.
Check out the 70's film "Cabaret". Tho'' restricted somewhat by the mores of the times, Fosse clearly depicts the decadance of Berlin in the thirties, the transvestites in the "Kit Kat Klub", Sally Bowles's promiscuity (in the days before the pill), the menage a troi between two men and both men with Sally, the ominous future that looms before them which they characters generally ignore. One particular horrifying scene is of the two young men in brownshirts singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" in the biergarten, the rich German who seduces both Sally and Brian arrogantly pointing out "we can handle them", the body of Marisa Berenson's little dog laid a ther door….
We have come full circle now with a victim of Nazi horror (Polanski) raping a child while Hollywood makes films about victimizing young boys and girls and signing petititons the protect Polanski.
Yes, I understand what you are saying. But you kind of just 'normalized' it again by equating gay and straight. My larger point is that Hollywood has done the same thing with homosexuality that they are now doing with pedophilia. I do not think homosexuality is as bad as pedophilia but it is a condition -chosen or not- that is unhealthy. The amount of "loveless" sex among gay men is way above what your average heterosexual engages in. I'm not talking about individual homosexuals and how nice they are or are not. But when you look at it as a whole it is very troubling. It sanitizes the level of promiscuity in that community to simply call it "loveless". That is a little quaint for what is going on.
Another movie along these lines that really bugged me was the horrid and appalling "Babel" (directed by, looky here, another guy who signed that Polanski petition). It had that faux message of "we have to save the children" while disgustingly exploiting them in the film itself. The Japanese actress was in her 20s, but played a teenager whose pubic hair played an important starring role and then appears completely naked in the last several minutes of the film. Then I was absolutely appalled with the scene of a boy, who didn't look older than 10-13 years of age, masturbating because he had the hots for his sister. Really, I should have just left the room.
Back when Polanski raped that girl, Hollywood was in another pedophilia phase. This was the same era where 13-year-old Jodie Foster played a prostitute, teenage Linda Blair got raped with a broom handle on t.v., and Brooke Shields became a "star" because her mom had nude pics taken of her when she was 10 years old. The pedophilia chic of the 1970s died during the child sex abuse scandals of the 1980s. Now pedophilia is back in style among the elites, back out of the closet. I've always believed that child pornography and child sex trafficking could be shut down tomorrow if not for very powerful people in the background keeping them alive.
Not sure about the premise. I don't think screenwriters, directors and actors are a bunch of pervs who want to turn the rest of us into a bunch of pervs. (Some of them ARE pervs and some of us will become pervs without their help.) I think it's all about their "art." These people make their living creating characters and dramatic interactions between characters. The purpose is to "explore" characters and situations – to see what makes people tick. They can do anything they want with their characters because…after all…it's only a movie. I think that to them, the statement made or insights gleaned from characters in a situation are more important – or at least more interesting – than the situation itself. So they basically do experiments on their characters. What's the worst/best/strangest/most socially disapproved-of situation we can put some people in? How will those people react and be changed by that situation? Pedophilia? Incest? Sure! The more stress the better. Anything for the sake of "drama."
Nice try, John. Would you care to inform your readers that "Towelhead" (a thoroughly despicable film no matter how you slice it) grossed a whopping $372, 124 at the box office? Or that Cate Blanchett's character in "Notes on A Scandal" suffers the consequences of her actions: her life is completely ruined, her family torn apart; I think she even does some prison time? Or that Jackie Earle Haley's character in "Little Children" winds up castrated, by his own hand? Or that there's a very good chance, in "Doubt," that Phillip Seymour Hoffman's priect character din't actually DO anything? Whoa, yeah, there's some real glamorization/normalization of the idea of sex with children for you.
I don't suppose I'll persuade you, or anybody else, that what goes on in "Birth" is what you'd call a metaphor, as such things don't cut much ice with the terminally-literal minded; just let me assure you that nobody who saw that movie considered it a prescription for getting down with ten-year-old boys.
And the purpose is not to "judge" these characters. It's to "explore" them. That's why, in "arty" films, pedophiles and rapists often get a past. As intellectually-advanced film-goers, we're supposed to be interested in them as characters, not as if they were real, live pedophiles and rapists – whom, presumably, we're still expected to abhor.
That's my phony-baloney theory, anyway…
Arguing that is perfectly reasonable. The one question I've asked gay marriage supporters which I've never gotten a satisfactory answer on is this: The whole argument is that homosexual partners are consenting adults who "love" each other, just as heterosexuals do, and therefore ought to be allowed the same rights and privileges, including marriage, that heterosexuals have, right? Well, according to that principle, it makes total sense to allow polygamy, group marriage (multiple partners of both sexes), and even some forms of incest (as long as the participants are both consenting adults). I don't see this as a "slippery slope" argument, because this definition would still rule certain things out, such as bestiality and (I still think) pedophilia, unless they do manage to change the age of consent laws. The people I've mentioned this to tell me I'm wrong, but they've never given me a clear answer why. What's the difference?
Sorry – that should say "…often get a pass." Though they do sometimes get a past as well.
However, as I tried to say in a previous Polanski article, I think it's possible that this way of thinking about characters might actually affect the way *some* H-wood creative types think about themselves and other people. If you're used to thinking of fictional situations involving rape and pedophelia as "interesting" and "compelling" and "dramatic" – just raw material for storytelling – maybe you develop a certain workmanlike objectivity about similar situations in real life. But I think you'd have to start out somewhat screwed up for that to happen. Which brings up the question: Does Hollywood create moral cripples or merely attract them?
I don't condemn people for feeling homosexual inclinations. Although the whole idea of a "gay gene" is moronic (if there's any truth to evolution, why would nature develop a gene that discourages us from reproducing?), I do believe there are genetic factors and internal chemical imbalances that influence a person's sexual preference that way. That, however, is a long way from saying being gay is as immutable a part of your being as is being black or female or whatever.
A sensitive temperment, a weak relationship with the father, and an overprotective mother and you are well on your way. It doesn't help to have it glamorized on television and at Abercrombie and Fitch as well.
"Any fool knows you SIMPLY DON'T DO THAT!"
And yet, this very story proves this statement wrong. where did you get your ideas that something is wrong if there is no "rulebook" to state there is a wrong to be found?
"I reject the concept of sin."
And that is why religious people don't trust atheists of any kind – conservative or liberal. Sin is more than just "wrong choices," as they are guiding moral rules and laws.
In Little Children the character is not a pedophile or a molester. He was charged with indecent exposure. He had a problem with masturbating in public, ie the scene where is on the date and he is in the car. At the end of the movie his mom dies and tells him to be a good boy, therefore he castrates himself. It was not pro pedaphille.
Have to split this comment into multiples.
It's remarkable someone could get every single point wrong, Glenn. You deserve an award – the fact that Towelhead made no money is no reflection on the fact that it was made/accepted/financed by Hollywood starring A-list actors/with an A list director/producers – ergo the title of this article "Hollywood's PUSH to normalize" not "America has bought into Hollywood's normalization". Cate Blanchett's character's life is only ruined because she has a psycho friend in the form of Judi Dench who exposes the whole thing – not shown is how the boy is able/unable to have successful adult relationships or how a teacher/student affair affected him. If I remember correctly, the boy suffers no consequences (maybe an upset parent), and neither would Cate had it not been for the weirdly obsessive Judi – the 'wrongness' of the act wasn't addressed, it was only a device by which Judi could manipulate Cate.
Jackie Earle castrating himself was only to show how bad the 'suburbans' were – just leave this poor simpleton child molester alone who just cares for his mother and wants to live a normal life – SEE what those judgmental meanies drove him to do. And who was the bad guy in Doubt, oh yeah, the woman who sought to protect the children from a feared molester. The message of Hoffman NOT doing anything – see what havoc the tyranical Christian b!$@# wrought by her suspecting ways. So, re: Birth, so long as it is a "metaphor", there's no problem with pederasty? Fact is, metaphor or not, the CHARACTER of Nicole Kidman believed the boy character was her husband (as did the boy character) and acted as if it was so – because it's a metaphor, Glenn is ok with this.
Please correct me if I've gotten any of these wrong. If not, I can recommend a good shrink, Glenn.
This world isn't, to my knowledge, a monarchy. Hence, there is no Prince of This World.
There is, however, the artist formerly known as Prince.
There is something of a double standard at work. Hollywood feeds us endless depictions of rape, murder and other crimes – has been doing so for years. Yet nobody accuses Hollywood of "pushing to normalize" rape, murder and crime. Even people who abhor sex and violence in the media seldom accuse the industry of conniving to make our society more sexualized and violent. We usually note that the industry is just conniving to sell movie tickets, video games and advertising air time.
Some people buy the premise that the mere depiction of something in a work of fiction somehow implies acceptance of it by the culture – or in this case, the Hollywood sub-culture. That is, if we keep depicting pedophilia, for example, then people will eventually become morally desensitized to pedophilia – especially if the depiction itself seems to be morally ambivalent. I don't know if that's true or not.
Perhaps, I am. And perhaps I'm trying to be more constructive than you.
One more thought on Hollywood doing good work combating homophobia. Using stereotypes and punchlines may be cruel and painful to others as well – but it is societies way of collectively saying that we are not kosher with that behavior. Sort of a bop on the nose to let everyone know what is considered normal. SNL does it all the time with people and things they disfavor. I think in the end it was less cruel because it encouraged people away from that life. Which is a good thing because pretending it is normal leads many more people to self-destructive lives.
I do not fear what I cannot prevent. Fear is only usefull when it causes us to act in such a way to prevent harm to ourselves or others. Fear is usefull in combat for that very reason. To fear death is to fear life. If you have fear of death then it is probabl that you also fear life and all the unexpected things that life brings. I do not know if there is an after life in any sense that we understand. There might be a continuation of existence but will we be aware of the pervious existence? I simply do not know and while it may cause me to wonder wht the final outcome will be there is no need for fear.
I do not fear what I cannot prevent. Fear is only usefull when it causes us to act in such a way to prevent harm to ourselves or others. Fear is usefull in combat for that very reason. To fear death is to fear life. If you have fear of death then it is possible that you also fear life and all the unexpected things that life brings. I do not know if there is an after life in any sense that we understand. There might be a continuation of existence but will we be aware of the pervious existence? I simply do not know and while it may cause me to wonder what the final outcome will be there is no need for fear.
Wow, just reading your article makes me want to go though a decontamination chamber. Sick, Sick films. One thing left out in the article, what about the child actors who are in these films. Isn't this a form of child abuse? The directors, actors and especially the parents should be prosecuted. Hollywood is an absolute pit of depravity. One final note, I will never watch another film with Nicole Kidman or any of the other actors who appear in films of this ilk.
Willfully ignoring evil isn't being constructive- it's being complicit. Read up on Kevin Jennings, his book, then tell me why he should be placed anywhere near our children. Jennings can be as perverted as he wants to be as long as he doesn't hurt anyone and isn't given authority over our children- which is what Obama has done.
You say you used to be a conservative Christian. What changed and what do you consider yourself to be now?
As I have said for two decades now, you first make gays sound normal, then the next step is to make adult sex with kids sound normal. Leftists at the start claimed that I was just being paranoid and that would never happen. But then, looking at the fight that leftists everywhere are putting up to protect Kevin Jennings and Roman Polanski, my predictions were right on the mark.
There is already a push to normalize pedophilia by those who claim a distinction must be made between consensual sex and non consensual sex between adults and children. The argument is along the same lines as presented by the mother in "Doubt."
Though honestly it would be better not to describe this as pedophilia as I don't believe the argument is used in favor of sex with prepubescent children but with adolescents.
I do think that within 5 years you will have the APA removing pedophilia from DSM IV after receiving pressure and proofs from experts that it is just another legitimate expression of sexuality. From there we will be told over and over again that we must not judge those who desire children. This will eventually lead to laws criminalizing discrimination against pedophiles. Mind you at that point the word pedophile will be considered proof of bigotry and the term "child lover" favored to show the good intent of the "We're All NAMBLA Now" activists.
And if you want to now when the push to normalize pedophilia in this culture started. Do a google search on Kinsey and Pedophilia
Dig this: I live in a part of America where a first-run movie ticket is only SIX BUCKS — and that's an evening showing, too!
Despite this, my M.O. is still "convince me TO go to the movies, otherwise, I won't." For years, movies were a must-do for me every weekend. I think many of us have had a hard time kicking this habit.
But not any more. American flicks are… just…so…utterly…bad. Convince me to go? Maybe I'll cave.
Even the seemingly soulless Travis Bickle shot up pimps who pushed children out on the streets, I think there is a definite paradigm shift that has been taking place the last several decades and I think it is time moviegoers pushed back.
You are exactly right.
I admit I haven't much read on Jennings. I think Obama should change him into someone else if it seems he can't do his job.
Well..being conservative Christian in my country is not as much a political stance as it seems to be in the States. Our politics is not that much tied with people's religious devotions.
Anyway, I guess what ended my being a devout Christian is that I started seeing the Bible as an increasingly controversial book and also discovering that I seem to have to deny my real self if I'm going to continue being Christian and start acting to be someone else I'm not. I did see too many people at churches just keeping up appearances and pretending. Then I discovered that my non-believer friends seemed much more real as people. And there's actually more, but I don't think this is the place to go into all that.
Supporters of Roman Polanski share the same moral values as he does. USA is in moral decay.
The sexualization of youth using education and entertainment media is classic Frankfurt School agenda using Gramscian tactics. A pair of Frankfurt School homosexuals, Theodore Adorno and Max Horkheimer, believed that sexualizing the youth would lead to radicalization and rebellion against their parents and Christian society.
Normally, I write lots. Here, I won't bother, because it's pointless to try to penetrate the insanity of the media. Three words: Child. Beauty. Pageants.
Okay, I lied. Here's another word to highlight America's hypocrisy: Cheerleaders.
In the former example we have thousands of young, mainly, girls of all ages from toddlers upwards dressed up to look like hookers and prancing around mock stages for prizes. Everyone claps.
In the latter example we have, again, young teenage girls wearing the shortest skirts and practising routines that are designed to show their knickers.
America – land of hypocrites. "Hollywood" is just the latest spelling. The Taliban really don't know what they're up against with so much ingrained dogma.
Being Christian isn't political here, either. Our values- those of Christians and conservatives are generally the same, however- so you will see more Christians on the right.
Let me just say that you will find hypocrites both inside and outside the church. And- it takes courage to be a Christian when the popular culture is pushing everyone to the left as hard as they can. But this world will pass in a flash- and we will be faced with eternity. The Bible is controversial because it is God's word and it demands that you die to self to be free. Since the left is all about me, me, me- it is anathema to them. Hell will be the place for those who have asked God to leave them alone. He will comply. You can be your real self in Christianity. You just have to follow God's laws. We all do. And the closer you get to Him, the easier it is.
This subject sure stirs up a lot of comments. How many of you are just trying to show your solidarity, and hiding your arousal to minors at the same time?
I'm not buying it. I know how much you secretly enjoyed Blue Lagoon.
You know what is ridiculous about this society? Puberty happens about 13, but sexuality is denied until 18. That's a 5 year lag that does not exist in nature. It's a lie. You are all just angry that Hollywood keeps exposing the lie.
In Little Children, I felt sorry for the Jackie Earle character until he started threatening the woman and masturbating on the date. Then I realized he was sick and dangerous and should not be around children or even women alone. The worst part was realizing that he was turned on by knowing she may have been molested as a child.
He seemed to have an addiction and could not break free of it. But it was clear to me, as a woman and mother, how dangerous he was.
The way he was being harassed was awful. And that he was driven to castrate himself was awful. But how could someone see him in the pool trying to peer up between the legs of the children in their bathing suits and not realize this guy was dangerous?
So, I thought the film did a good job of presenting the big picture.
Don't forget about 'Leon: The Professional' and Leon and Matilda the pre-teen sleeping together.
While you say that being Christian isn't political in the U.S, you still keep talking about the Left. I guess it might be difficult for you to understand how different the situation is here in my country.
And we here are all on the left from your point of view.
The Bible is not about the Law. The Bible is more about God's mercy towards people. It's about Faith that God himself gives every believer. The Law means Judaism, but Christianity is not judaism, it's one step beyond that. It's not about observing the Law like you say. God promises to create good deeds and godly living in us as long as we accept His salvation and the Holy Spirit. That's my understanding of Christianity and the Bible.(and I have also studied theology a bit)
However, I've never discovered this God-given faith that much in me and in the end deemed that it's more just my own doing. I still leave open the option for some kind of God to exist. How could I claim to know that there is no God. I can't know that.
Odd, because of my belief, I need have no fear of death. Death is not the end, merely the beginning, and planning for my future is always a prudent step IMO. Do you have a retirement plan of some sort? Why? Is that fear of getting old that prompts you to save in advance? Why is faith and a belief in a set of values any different?
And I wish I could believe as you do that protecting children from abuse is just "self-evident." Unfortunately, that isn't the case.
So at 13 it is fair game?
thank you Keith…we stopped seeing movies years ago because of the filth, and gave up TV 4 years ago, and don't miss it a bit! Thank you again!
Since you don't tell me where you are from, I can't comment- nor can you assume anything about what I think.
Yes, the New Testament takes us from the law to Grace- but God still expects you to obey Him. Of course we are sinners and will never be able to live without sin- none of us. Further, God doesn't promise, as you say, to create good deeds and godly living in us- we still have a free-will. What He does promise is salvation for accepting His Son as God. Then- if you truly accept Him- you will WANT to move toward Christ so your behavior changes.
The rest of your comments just prove my point. Me, me, me. Tell me- could you have deemed yourself into existence? Only "some kind of God" could. He knew you before you were born. What you do with your life is up to you. Free-will.
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No. There is a lot of emotional development that needs to happen in those 5 years. I am just saying that Americans are in denial when we start talking about this nebulous subject of sex and "children". I advocate that we all stop lying to ourselves and admit that nature has designed adolescents to be sexually attractive. Maybe thousands of years ago it was necessary for the survival of the species. Our society is far more complex now, and the kids need more time to grow up before producing offspring. But the denial is a lie. Also, religion has played a horrible role in making us all feel repulsed and disgusted by our own sexuality.
I say we start by being honest about our arousal. That doesn't mean we act on it, nor take advantage of anyone who is vulnerable.
Yep- the old proverbial slippery slope. I've heard that there is a group- I forget their name- that want to be able to MARRY BUILDINGS. You can't make this stuff up.
You make a lot of sense but nobody is driven to castrate himself. That is like saying people are driven to suicide. Sorry, but that is a walk that they take by putting one of their own feet in front of their other foot. They were not driven off that cliff. They took a walk of their own accord off of it.
Absolutely- vote with your entertainment dollars and the remote control. I hope these Hollyweird types keep talking to reveal themselves to us. Just a fluke that Will Farrell (et al) isn't America's sweetheart anymore? Nope.
Ditto.
Well, I'm from Scandinavia, Finland. Sweden on the other side an Russia on the other.
Yes, people have partially free will, but that doesn't go beyond God's will over us.
I take it you are not familiar with the different theological or philosophical ideas about free will?
You remember this verse in the Bible that says that "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day".
John 6:44
Or do you remember this verse?
Philippians 2:13
for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
You're also speaking like it's the Will of Man that saves each believer. You're wrong if you think that most theologians think that free will of men is what ultimately saves them. It's all up to God, the Supreme and Sovereign Being. Humans are weak and their will is next to nothing.
So – do we just go around talking about our arousal? But just don't act on it. Where? On Oprah? Should we just grow up and admit we are attracted to our children as well?
Personally, I like to be naked, tied up and hung upside down from the chandelier while being tickled by girl scouts (preferably chubby). Can I start talking about it? What's your phone number?
Yes, Christianity is not a political position. When I first started to understand something about the U.S political spectrum, I was astonished how much religion seemed to play part in it.
Okay you made me laugh. I pictured the Girl Scouts with fogged up glasses, too.
Religion is a favorite talking point of the Left. They always talk about how the "Religious" Right wants to ram their religion down everyone's throats. I'd say you can find far more instances of the Left trying to ram their lifestyle beliefs down everyone's throats: individual mandate for health insurance for one big, recent example.
I won't claim that there are no Right side pols that advocate legislation based on religious mandates. Mike Huckabee is one who would do so which is why I would never vote for him. So-called "Compassionate Conservatives" are a whole breed of folks who are labeled erroneously. They want to mandate government control just as much as the Left, but they claim their motivation is God.
I think that M, for one showed that even low-life criminals condemned that behavior, and sure the guy gives a big speech about how it isn't his fault how voices made him do it, but the movie isn't simpatethic to the guy, if anything he comes of more wormy evil like in that speech and you want to see him fry…
Actually. DVD sales just went into the tank. I have been to a cinema just twice in the last decade. Waiting until it is free with a DirecTV subscription….of that I'm guilty.
The headline…."Hollywood studios in midst of their own horror show"
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-m...
We'll try and shed some tears.
Then they need to get out and fight the stereotype that's propogated by events like the Folsom Street Fair and gay pride marches, etc. Public displays of promiscuity with unknown quantities of sexual partners is not doing their health any favors.
The vast majority of heterosexual couples — be they monogamous or strings of one night stands — keep their bedroom business in the bedroom. But at public events like the aforementioned, all kinds of "deviant behavior" (for want of a better term) is on display. In public. Where children can see. If there were an analog for heterosexuality, it would still be gross. Most people don't want that in their face, regardless of the sexual orientation of those performing.
I'm looking forward to the new Narnia movie, Voyage of the Dawn Treader. Swords, a sea serpent and liberating slaves. Woo hoo!!!
Sorry, can't give you the phone number. More than likely a gang of thugs would show up at my door to beat me to a bloody pulp! It's amazing what denial does to people.
Try talking to your wife about it!
John, you've managed to misrepresent nearly every film on your own list. That's quite a feat.
The mother isn't the moral-center of "Doubt," Amy Adams is. Because she's the one who's able to accept that things are gray and unknowable without being driven mad by this fact like the other three are.
"The Reader" is 100% ABOUT how the innapropriate relationship with the older woman screws up the guy's psyche and most of his adult life. It's the whole point of the movie, him finally moving-on from this. If the sex scenes weren't played for eroticism, the audience wouldn't be able to fully understand how the wrong/feels-good dichotomy tears him up.
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"Notes On A Scandal" spends it's entire second half detailing how much the family is ruined.
The guy in "Little Children" IS a recidivist monster, and he hurts himself to STOP himself – finally taking, in a horrible way, responsibility for himself.
"Birth" makes it abundantly clear that most of the main characters are profoundly disturbed, and on top of that there may or may not be a supernatural component. Either way, it's not "about" what it literally appears to be about.
Come now, you're better than this.
this list is exhaustive and exhausting.
the preversion is endemic. Remember some store a few years ago offering childrens thong underwear?
I'm may be ripped apart for this, but if the gay marriage proponants can get marriage to mean what they want, other groups can get it to mean what they want. (that is why i support a civil/domestic union, and keep 'marriage' out of it, but that is a topic for another day)
And if that option is availible, why not work on the age of consent issue? The underage marriage folks would be all over that.
Dear Mary Stuart Masterson, in you're directing debut "The Cake Eaters", Kristen Stewart plays a 15-year-old who has sex with a young man in his 20s (Aaron Stanford).
I wish it were as simple as blaming Hollywood for the moral decay we see around us. Hollywood is a big offender, maybe the biggest offender, but it is not the only source of this decay. The constant drum beat of insulting all religous people is another and this comes mainly from the Intelligent Athiest, an oxymoron if there ever was one. The enlightened left thinks that they are the best judge of what is moral and they do not even have any standards. The old refrain from the 60's comes to mind,"If it feels good do it." This mentality, from the anything goes 60's is still prevelant today and is just as corrosive.
I recall when Adrian Lynn remade Lolita and he and the crew were on NPR bragging about how experienced the young actress was, that she could teach them all a thing or two. It was a big laugh, chuckle, chuckle.
Well, I made it a point to never see another of his films again. Not a big sacrifice, I admit, but something.
Look at our culture. Take a look at the once great New York Daily News linked:
<a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/10/07/20…” target=”_blank”>http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/10/07/20…
On that front page the story is the Letterman sex scandal and how shocking or not it is. Yet along the same page, we have the following (with teaser photos, of course):
"Serena bares all for new ESPN mag"
"Dominatrix chic: Hollywood's hot new trend Starlets rock leather, lace and latex. Naughty or nice?"
"Victoria's Secret tryouts: Big dreams, little modesty Dozens of hopeful models turn up at open casting call"
"Hunter hottie makes Hooters calendar" in PHOTOS section.
This is the New York Daily News, not the National Enquirer, not a tabloid or a skin mag. The once great New York Daily News. This page, with those side 'stories' is not unusual or rare now. Not in the least. It's the norm. We let it be the norm.
When pillars are cracked and crumbling, no amount of denial or wishful thinking will prevent the ceiling from caving in and crushing all who reside therein. Either the pillars get strengthened, replaced or you get out of the building.
The whole point is to make the subject less taboo. In which direction do you think our society is moving concerning the sexualization of children and adolsecents? Which side do you think Hollywood is on?
For me things are completely black and white. Having sex with children is not wrong, it's evil and if you support and/or defend people who do it, then I have to wonder about the safety of your children.
I'm sorry to interupt, but I just wanted to say something in response to this. You sound as if you're saying that theologians and philosophers know more of the will of God than God Himself does. Theologians and philosophers are only qualified to give their own opinions about what they read. But I this much is true: if you get on your knees and ask our Father in Heaven what He expects of you, He will let you know. After that, it's your decision whether or not you will follow Him.
God will only manifest a change in you if you let Him. If I refuse to accept one or more of His teachings, that doesn't mean it isn't true, and it doesn't mean that He doesn't want me desperately to change my mind. He will continually reach out to me and inspire me to do better, but I choose to ignore those promptings, I can. I still have the right to choose whether I believe it's true or not. And as much as the Lord loves me and wants me to follow His way, it doesn't mean that He will force me to do it. He will offer me the choice, and let me make my own way if that's what I prefer to do.
That's what I do, too. I'm conservative in my beliefs, and so I want to vote for the candidate that best represents those beliefs, but I'm unaffiliated, and I vote Democrat on a local level nearly as often as I vote Republican. I've also voted for the Constitution party and the Libertarian party once or twice. Though to be honest, I've never voted anything but Republican for the presidency.
She's one of those religious types whose all repulsed and disgusted by my sexuality. She doesn't know we're supposed to be honest about our arousals. The most I can get her to do is eat a box of Samoas.
I'm not scared of dying. I'm being perfectly honest here. I'm scared that I won't quire measure up in the end, and I'm scared of pain, but I know where I'm going roughly, and I know what I need to do to change the outcome. I know that I'll see my loved ones again, and so death is not a tragedy, and death is not scary to me. It's sad, because those of us that are left behind for now will miss those that have passed, but that's as far as it goes for me. I don't want my death to be prolonged in agony, and that scares me much more than anything else about dying, other than the thought that I may not have done all that I needed to do first. But death itself? No.
Bugs — You hit on something important – it's not the mere depiction, it's the CONTEXT. The point is that Hollywood's depictions of adult/child sex have not been all that bad. Of late, they tend to humanize the offender and show that the consequences of such relationships are not all that bad for the child (and even 'empowering').
And, seems to me there's no double standard – tons of people who complain that the graphic images of murder densisitize children and make violence more acceptable.
A killing in a movie by a policeman defending himself from a murderer is not the same one in, say, Natural Born Killers, Hostel, etc. It's the lack of, or ambiguous, moral context that causes the damage.
Funny:
"The Japanese actress was in her 20s, but played a teenager whose pubic hair played an important starring role and then appears completely naked in the last several minutes of the film. Then I was absolutely appalled with the scene of a boy, who didn't look older than 10-13 years of age, masturbating because he had the hots for his sister. Really, I should have just left the room."
Funnier:
"The sexualization of youth using education and entertainment media is classic Frankfurt School agenda using Gramscian tactics. A pair of Frankfurt School homosexuals, Theodore Adorno and Max Horkheimer, believed that sexualizing the youth would lead to radicalization and rebellion against their parents and Christian society."
But I know; I'm the one who needs a shrink. Maybe so. But the Adorno/Horkheimer gay-baiter needs to stay away from the brown acid.
- Now the "knuckledraggers" are trying to like Obama and Pedophilia! Nice reach guys.
- I quit reading this rediculous article at the point that it said the Moral Center of "Doubt" was the boy's mother, which as wrong an evaluation as someone can give the film's story! The film, at least fom my perspective was questioning the morality of the church!
- t's the right who so often try to paint themselves as morally correct, but who's politicians are so often involved in sex scandals, both gay and straight.
- I didn't see hollywood come out in support of Polanski, just a couple of guys who run an independent studio about to go under, a few directors, un-popular actors; mostly fringe element stuff. Quit reaching right wingers.
Which is exactly what was being said about homosexuality 30 years ago. Call me crazy, maybe I'm reading too much into them, but I think HBO's "Big Love" and one or two ACLU lawsuits brought on behalf of polygamous groups are the first tentative steps in that direction. Maybe not, but…
That'd make for an awfully difficult wedding night, wouldn't it?
Well, I don't know about that; I had all three (well, "overprotective" is rather strong, I was just a lot closer to her than to him) and I'm straight (so far
). I don't want to get into specifics about what causes it, because there I'd be out of my league; I just believe it's a combination of factors much less fixed than one's DNA. And no, its glorification by the media doesn't help.
Referring to Satan, genius.
i'm fairly libertarian on this. As long as every one is of age you should have whatever legal relationships you want. I see no need to limit these legal relationships to romantically involved people. You should beable to set up your mail carrier as your power of attorney etc. Heck set up your sibling if you want. Now if we have these legally bound groups whether they be of same gender, or multiple persons, lovers or whatever, what is the issue?
Marriage can remain between one man and one woman and other unions can be whatever you want.
maybe i'm missing something, it so far it seems to make sense to me.
The poor girl was in rehab by age 14. She seems to have worked really hard to turn her life around, and I give her a lot of credit for that.
I spent the first half of my adulthood in that life and there is always an issue with the father. Your chances of being homosexual are far higher when that dynamic is present but the temperment of the kid is a condition as well. That doesn't mean all distant dads with sensitive boys = homosexual. But it is a precondition. Girls without fathers are far more promiscuous as well. Just ask strippers how their relationship with Dad was.
I am familiar with the different ideas- and I agree that it's a dichotomy. I will further offer that I don't understand everything about God's world or His will or how He chooses His own. Does He cause us to move toward Him? I don't know. Does He know what we are going to do before we do it? Of that, I'm sure. The Bible does say that if a person seeks the Lord in earnest, they will find Him. God's presence can be felt everywhere. The beauty of His creation- everywhere- even Finland.
The quote from Philippians acknowledges our sinful nature. People often criticize Christians for feeling superior. We don't. We know how flawed we are. Just look at the scandals in the news. You won't see a Christian reveling in someone's moral failures although it is common on the left. As a Christian we know that any one of us can sin at any time- none can feel immune from sin.
You're right that man is weak. Without God, he can do nothing. But you fail to understand that Man must move toward God for God's power to work in that man.
There would be no glory in worshiping God if God simply commanded it. There is free choice. God will let you stay apart from Him if you so choose. But if you move toward Him, He just may welcome you.
We were founded on Judeo-Christian values. Our major problems arise from the left trying to change the fabric of our nation. Our Constitution states that we should be free FROM an imposed religion by the government. But, importantly, it doesn't ever say there should be a separation of church and state. That is often (erroneously) claimed.
So you're, uh, with the Taliban on this one?
Hi richb313,
True enough, and I agree with you, however my point is that the bulk of moderate and strong conservatives sadly also support these actors at the box office. However, we have seen what happens to a movie that vilifies Christians or Conservatives…they tank at the box office, however, more often than not, conservatives are right there alongside the leftists paying out at the movies to see something that insults the mainstream….them. I have regrettably seen this time and again, even speaking with co-workers or other conservatives who simply shrug their shoulders and say 'it's just a movie'. My point is that there are not enough radical leftist to make any actor/actress rich beyond our wildest dreams if they depended solely on the left minority to support them.
You are right when you say it only takes a small committed minority to support such drivel…but I think that there is not enough committed minority to make them all succeed…and this is when Hollywood's elite will collapse.
At least…this is my dream!
Thanks Rich
No- we don't say our motivation in government action is God. We just want the government to stay within the mandate of the Constitution. We want to be left alone to worship as we'd like and to raise our kids as we'd like. We don't want the government to dictate our morality and force their ideas on our families.
Yikes! The joke possibilities here are endless!
Actually evolution is a false religion so your reference to "knuckledraggers" is not welcome.
But anyway, just because you may end up involved in a sex scandal does that mean you should then deny that there is any standard worth maintaining? What is the Left's stand on cheating on your spouse? Or sex in public bathrooms? Or drugging and sodomizing a 13 year old?
None of these films celebrate or glorify sexual relationships with children or adolescents. They are all dark, grim affairs showcasing abuses of power, madness, and self-destruction.
Do you guys seriously believe there is some sort of Hollywood conspiracy to make pedophilia acceptable? As I've seen commentary on this whole Polanski thing play out, I've noticed the angle of the angle has shifted. Here is the truth: Polanski has a number of misguided supporters IN SPITE OF THE FACT that he raped a child. This article seeks to imply that Polanski has Hollywood's support BECAUSE he raped a child, which is ridiculous.
It's so much more simple than that. People in the film industry really like movies a lot. Polanski made some really good movies. Some people respect his films so much that they are willing to rationalize the misdeeds of the man behind them. That's really all there is to it. No vast west-coast conspiracy or all-consuming "moral cancer."
Excellent take, John. Might I also add that Hollywood does as much damage for what it does NOT 'push'. It does not push straight, adult Christian relationships. No way, no how. And that silence is devastating. Pastor Niemoller pointed out the horrors of what silence did 64 years ago – we're seeing it now. Hollywood is destroying as much by what it does not do, as much as by what it does.
Which is why I do NOT see 95% of the films released by Hollywood today. And that number is growing. Pretty soon it's going to be just me and my collection of old films. (Thank God, we'll always have 'Casablanca'.)
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Well, at least you got a part of your favorite fantasy (the chubby part!) You'll just have to imagine the rest. It works for me!
Thanks for the response. I mean that sincerely. The verse confuses me a little, however.
I've never thought of the victims of child sexual molestation as "sinners." I reject the concept of sin. However, if there is a sinner in the molestation of a child, surely, dear Jesus in your exquisite Heaven above, it would be the molester, not the molestee!
Maybe the verse referred to another kind of sin entirely, like stealing or bearing false witness. Of course, the biggest sin of all was denying the ultimate cheesiness of the Big Cheese. That has to be it. Don't teach a kid to sin, that is, question the Holy Bible and the God which wrote/inspired it. Maybe there's another verse in there we could try to misinterpret as saying, "Don't sexually molest children."
When asked by the disciples which law was most important, Jesus answered by saying only two things we are to do – 1) love God with all your heart and 2) love your neighbor as yourself. (Matthew 22:36-40). Most moral decisions are matters of the heart and motivation. You know by what you do whether you are doing it because you love God and others (notice that it is AND, not OR). Pedophilia and rape is not about love for anyone, thus rejecting the very fabric of Jesus' teachings.
There's loads of truth to evolution, and lots of "mistakes" (poorly designed parts and functions, in humans and other life forms) in it, as well. That's one good reason to disbelieve in Intelligent Design. There are aspects to the human body, for instance, that no decent designer would have incorporated.
As to the immutability of "gayness," no one knows. There was a famous study that purported to prove that homosexuality is genetically predetermined. However, that study was shown to be badly administered.
I can agree on that. That's a good argument for EVERYONE keeping their literal and figurative hands off these kids, at that particular age, and any other age before they're able to fend for themselves.
You bring up an important point that doesn't get enough attention. Encouraging people away from harmful lives is an honorable thing. Encouraging (through normalization) them toward a harmful one is immoral. Sexuality is a spectrum that one exists on, from the strongly homosexual, to the strongly heterosexual, and everything in between. Social constructs, societal influences, as well as political positions that encourage the individual to move toward the homosexual end of the spectrum (again, through normalizing homosexuality and removing the taboos that would otherwise limit the experimentation in that area) area may have good intentions, but we all know what they say about what the road to hell is paved with.
The genesis of the conspiracy predates these modern day filmakers. they need not be privy to the original plot nor even to each other, to further the goals of the conspiracy. Fortunately, these perps are also on the docket on Judgment day. Hooray for the Last Great Day!
My grandmother was 9 when she married her 35 yo husband. They lived happy lives and had many happy children. Whoever came up with the idea that a person needs to be a certain age to have sex was someone (my guess the church) who was more interested in controlling then the welfare of the person. I think Mary was 14 when she had Jesus. If a person is ready to have sex then they should have sex no matter what the age.
I still can't bring myself to watch "Brokeback Mountain". I'll be sure to skip this crap too.
Was your grandfather Mohammed?
basicallystupid,
Yes you are. When your grandmother was 9, people used to get lynched too. Do you want to go back to that as well? Unless your grandmother was from a third world country, she did not marry at age 9. You're a liar and fool. If you can show me anywhere in the New Testament where it says that Mary gave birth at 14, I will buy you a steak dinner. Don't think. It's not becoming of you.
Normalizing for me would be to take any talk of "gay marriage" off the table. Open up civil unions for anyone who wants it, with all the same government benefits that "marriage" currently entails. Anyone wanting to form a financial union (which is all the government "marriage" cares about) will now get a civil union. Those wanting to get married, will do so in a church. In the eyes of the gov't, a church marriage is meaningless and confers no benefits. In the eyes of the couple, a civil union replaces the marriage license.
Second, no more folsom street fair stuff. No more homosexual awareness classes in grade school. Teach it in sex ed, along with hetero stuff. This is one instance where equal time is useful. It'll normalize of its own accord, as long as people don't shove the idea down anyone's throat.
Wow, talk about a completely horrendous misreading of DOUBT. I honestly cannot believe that a well-paid film critic honestly believes that the movie suggests that molestation is acceptable under any circumstances when the entire movie is based around just how despicable such a thing is. Yes, the boy's mother in the movie suggested that he would be better off just putting up with it until he finishes school – his difficult life would get even worse if word got out that he was being abused – this doesn't mean the other characters nor the film itself felt that way.
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I don't consider opposing homophobia as the "normalizing" of behavior… I get your point but to me Hollywood has done good and important work in the arena of allowing people to see the humanity in gays and lesbians — whereas before they were seen almost exclusively as punchlines, stereotypes and worse…
As far as normalizing any behavior — gay or straight — involving loveless sex … I am with you 100%.
I never saw "Hound dog" and only wanted to write about films I had actually seen as opposed to relying on others. I thought about renting it but felt it was too indie to fit the my overall point that this unforgivable movement has moved into the mainstream.
I also heard it's a truly awful movie and life's too short.
I HATE double standards!…… These people in "Hellwood" have more than one DB!…. just like the overall group they represent: the so called "establishment" : the very lowliest of human being-ness ; these are the REAL LOW Lifers!…
and for them there is only one "Creativity left available: parroting "Baby-making"!… so now making parroting with "babies" is what's turning them on!…. to get SOME life Energy!…after all: Creativity is always a question of inspiration and filled with enthusiasm. and that is what is LIFE ENERGY!… Poor bastards!…..and of course…on top of this most of them are also "satanists"…. =people who always just HAVE to oppose 'you' and be the ADVERSARIES… and the last and biggest of their "secrets" is that they are ALL ADRENALINE JUNKIES…who DO NOT want to jump the bridges with Bundgy Cord: one NEVER can tell …what IF the cord brakes!?…. Satanist is just another word for this phenomenon: COWARDLY ADRENALINE JUNKIE…one who would never want the Buzz by really put their OWN life on the Line, so to speak…. so; THEY USE OTHER people's lives!…. (that includes abusing Animals and Earth herself!…. ) to get their adrenaline buzz!…. that is why War is Good too!…. to get the buzz without having to risk one's own!…. just send someones else out there.and then whenever someone is killed take a deep breath SUCK IN REAAAALLY DEEP enjoy, feeeeeel the buzzzzzz…uuuu… just got a whiff of the poor dead bastard's SOUL!…. Aahhhhh, hadda highhhhh!….. whaddda ORGASM!
We, a little healthier ones, need to start address things as they truly are and not allow these creeps to hide in this& that "good sounding rhetorics!…. Whomever feels the need to defend/ /excuse or "understand" =explain away the ACTIONS and BEHAVIOR of these creeps is a creep him/herself…
The most disturbing of them all is "Pretty Baby" where a very young Brooke Shields is not only naked in one scene but becomes a prostitute sold as a "virgin" to her clients. She later becomes a child bride. So sick how Hollywood constantly sexualizes children.
Believe me, been there and done that. And I didn't get the answers I needed.
I feel kinda more better without having to think about "being Christian" so much and just plainly living my life. Besides, most of the people who say they're "following Christ" are mainly just kidding themselves while they haven't really given themselves to following God.
Good post. You were honest. If there's a God, I think that is what He/She/It would mostly require of us: real honesty before "Him*.
Don't use the health reform as an example, I happen to think it's a necessity for the U.S to create a more efficient and equal health care system.
The truly sad thing is, I didn't doubt for a minute that you were being serious about this group.
"Girls without fathers are far more promiscuous as well."
Now that one I know from hard firsthand experience.
I think it's good people advance equality among people. I personally don't know what is my exact opinion of gays. Not that long ago I used to be a conservative Christian and I tried to accept all the strict Christian values.
It's sad when political discussion is just pointing fingers at how bad this and that person is.
Quite a lot of people in the political scene of the U.S have probably inhaled something during their lives…even the most conservative ones.
You should realize that politicians are not saints.
(and by the way, I'm not American, and English is not my native)
>>People in the film industry really like movies a lot. Polanski made some really good movies. Some people respect his films so much that they are willing to rationalize the misdeeds of the man behind them.<<<
That's actually what came to my mind as well. It must be one of the reasons. Things are not necessarily explained away simply by giving one reason for why things are the way they are. I wouldn't be surprised if some actually backed Polanski just because they'd like pedophilia to be legalized or at least more "understood" by the people.
Exactly. When someone does come up with a credible study saying, "Here is the gay gene," then get back to me. As to your first comment, I don't know enough about the thought behind Intelligent Design to argue intelligently about it. All I'm saying is that it's a complete violation of Darwinian evolution for us to have evolved genes that would make us not want to reproduce.
It does not take a majority of people to make a movie a success or an idiot a star. It just takes a committed minority that supports such drivel.
Guest– To your comments, I would add that the Bible was written from an Eastern cultural perspective. It was also written long ago. For someone– anyone– coming from the Western culture, living in modern times, claiming the Bible has contradictions and/or is ambiguous because that person is injecting his own cultural experience and upbringing into the text, shows a lack of understanding of context and an imposition on the text of one's own ideas.
For example, people may say that Jesus never claimed to be God. Not true. He stated on many occasions that He was God the Son (literal text, not "Son of God"). Either way it's written– "God the Son" or "Son of God"– people of that culture understood Jesus by stating He was the Son of God, He was indeed telling them He was God. Middle Eastern culture– even today– does not differentiate between fathers and sons. That's only one example of biblical text that is frequently misconstrued by western minds.
Was it that you didn't get the answers that you needed, or that you didn't get the answers that you wanted? Far too many people confuse the two. I get answers to my prayers pretty regularly, and often, they aren't the answers I was looking for. Funnily enough, though, when I follow those promptings, my life turns out better than I ever would have thought it would.
I think you're right in that a lot people claim to be Christian, but don't follow the teachings, but most of us? No. Most of us are people who can only do our best. Sometimes we fail, miserably even, but all we can do is keep trying.
Call it for what it is folks. Another brainwashing filth orgy by jews. They own hollywood, they own the media. DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU AND SHOW YOU……… it'll be fine. Trust them.
Reading this stuff makes me barf.
I didn't get the answers I needed. In the end I answered to my own question myself. And got a better answer. One can't wait forever.
[...] that should pause the mob in their tracks before they storm the Paramount gates. After weeks of accusations that Hollywood was using the Polanski case as an opportunityto shove their pro-child rape agenda [...]
So many people get fed that line that being a Christian = being a Conservative and buy into it. It's no more true than saying that Conservatives = Republicans. And Christianity is not a political position. If your religious values align with a political stance that doesn't mean that your values are politics to begin with. I was a Christian long before I acknowledged my Conservatism, and I've never been a member of any political party. I refuse to join them because their platforms shift over time. I align myself with whichever candidate best represents me rather than giving them a pass because they wear a certain letter.
We do agree on one thing: No one has demonstrated that homosexuality is a genetic predisposition or certainty.
However, I must answer your other point. You say "it's a complete violation of Darwinian evolution for us to have evolved genes that would make us not want to reproduce." However, evolution isn't all that great at producing error-free organisms. Notice how many species have died out, not all of them from predators or natural disasters. All evolution has to do is make enough of us well enough to perpetuate our information (DNA codes). Example: Of all infertile men, 10 to 15% were born that way, from genetic causes. Assuming no medical remedy for these guys, they'll never reproduce, simply because of gene mutations.
My point is, evolution is a poor designer. It gets the job done, but not always so elegantly. While no one has shown that a particular genetic aberration causes homosexuality, it's entirely possible (based on my limited knowledge) that it might, just because of the way in which evolution cobbles organisms together.
We do agree on one thing: No one has demonstrated that homosexuality is a genetic predisposition or certainty.
However, I must answer your other point. You say "it's a complete violation of Darwinian evolution for us to have evolved genes that would make us not want to reproduce." However, evolution isn't all that great at producing error-free organisms. Notice how many species have died out, not all of them from predators or natural disasters. All evolution has to do is make enough of us well enough to perpetuate our information (DNA codes). Example: Of all infertile men, 10 to 15% were born that way, from genetic causes. Assuming there is no medical remedy for these guys, they'll never reproduce, simply because of gene mutations.
My point is, evolution is a poor designer. It gets the job done, but not always so elegantly. While no one has shown that a particular genetic aberration causes homosexuality, it's entirely possible (based on my limited knowledge) that it might, just because of the way in which evolution cobbles organisms together.
When you say "genius," you mean "idiot." Oddly enough, you were right this time. If pressed, I would've guessed he meant Jesus. Honestly, Satan would've been waaaayyyyyyy down on my list of guesses.
I'm well schooled in the supernatural characters of the Bible. Still and yet, I place no credence in their existence, nor the words that men confabulated as having come from them.
When you say "genius," you mean "idiot." Oddly enough, you were right this time. If pressed, I would've guessed he meant Jesus. Honestly, Satan would've been waay down on my list of guesses.
I'm well schooled in the supernatural characters of the Bible. Still and yet, I place no credence in their existence, nor the words that men confabulated as having come from them.
i have never known either. all i get are vague answers like "people won't do that" or "i don't like that"
There are too many examples where people have to say, "Oh, but it didn't mean that."
One good example: When the bible says "slave," it means slave. It's amusing to watch people step on themselves trying to assure me that "slave" really means "hired servant."
Thanks for clarification. I didn't take it badly, but I appreciate your saying so, anyhow.
I need the Bible to prevent my harming others? Do you think there weren't laws in the world before the time of the alleged Jesus?
Wrong.
Yeah I noticed that too.
Heck, who remembers Lost In Space where Doctor Smith would always try to sabotage the mission and get lost with little Billy…
There is another movie just out where a 16 year old has an affiar wiht a much older man–was an article about it in the LA times today, and NOTHING SAID about the fact that some kind of look into a first exciting affair with an older man. Pathetic.
The Christian Holy Bible predicted that this sexual holocaust would occur right before the return of Jesus Christ, which will be 7 years after the rapture. Hang on and be ready. (Only the saved will understand the sentence before this one). The judgments are already starting in Hollywood.
All weiners, wee-wees, johnsons, (whatever you want to call them) should be zapped with a laser until the world is cleansed of filth.
Quote:
"And this is how cinematic propaganda works. Whether the filmmaker’s motivations are good or evil, the idea is to get decent and thoughtful people to start second guessing themselves as they’re enveloped in the dark and held captive by the powerful sound and fury of the moving picture. First we’re led to identify and sympathize with a particular character, then that character does something designed to challenge our belief structure. This can range from, 'If John Wayne opposes racism, maybe I should,' to, 'Well, if a loving mother is okay with it, maybe I need to get a little more nuanced and tolerant about this whole child-rape thing.'"
Very well put, and a very well-rounded (and very fair) article. Fiv e stars.
Good for you. I'm scared of dying and I would prefer to avoid it. In the past, people have wished so badly to avoid it that they've made up stories about the end of the world being imminent. Y'see, according to popular religion, those living at the end-time will never die, seeing as how they're gonna be swooped up and all like that.
Even today, you'll see foolish people writing and speaking about how great it'll be when the imaginary "Rapture" hits. Oh, yeah, a laugh a minute, I'm sure.
I know what you mean, I frankly never go to the theater anymore, just watch the DVDs my wife buys. I had no earthy idea these films were out there, let alone winning awards.
awards,…
Like you, sick to my stomach, we have a daughter 10, a son 7,.. we do our best, try to stay the moral line. Neither of us came from strongly eligious backgrounds, though we are christian. We, both of us are coming to the decision we should pick a congrgation, and go back to the arms of the faith.
What kind of moral pygmy could look at this list and be fine with it?
Remember Annie Lebowitz's 1/2 naked photo of Miley Cyrus in in Vanity Fair? It evidently didnt even occur to her that she was doing somethign wrong by sexing up a 15 year old(or was it 14?) the way she did. This sexualization of young people is a-ok among visual artists as well as Hollywood filmakers.
We have a void of morally conservative people in power in the arts–why doesnt someone with lots of money from the conservavtive world open a studio? its NEEDED–their is a shortage of moral product out there
Mixed marriage, I was a 7th Day Adventist, (lapsed),.. she was a Nazerine,. quite a match up. I couldn't align myself with the pacifism of my upbringing, breaking with it to enlist in the cold war. My wife just faded away from hers,..
Believe it or not, the faith we both came to want to learn more about, independently of each other,.. was the Roman Catholic Church. It's the deep deep traditions and moral strength we find so interesting, we've learned to become a catholic is no simple or easy thing, it has to be striven for as all the best things worth having must be. It's not just calling yourself something, it's earned.
Unfashionable these days,.
but in certain quarters, so is patriotism and faith in the Constitution,. so it's among good company.
[...] UPDATE: Related: The Polanski Culture. [...]
I salute any gay person, man or woman, who can life a good life and enjoy it, without succumbing to disastrous thoughts and activities.
As do I. But, the ones that get the press are the Folsom Street Fair types (only for the strong of stomach, nsfw, google at your own risk), the ones proselytizing the superiority of homosexuality over heterosexuality, and the angry, Gay Power activists (Perez Hilton comes to mind).
It's the same story about moderate Muslims. Why don't these peace-loving moderates denounce the acts of their violent brethren?
Why do such a high percentage of gays use their orientation as an excuse to have sex in public? Why must they teach my children about it in schools when they're at the age that "girls have cooties?"
I think seeking God in these tough times is a good idea Mark.
Just know that there are many, many parents out there just like us. We can make a difference just by trying to raise these kids right. Good Luck from your neighbor in Pennsylvania!
That never happens in the movie.
I haven't been to Scandinavia but I've heard that it is heaven on earth! I so want to go to the Ice Hotel one year. And experience the Northern Lights. And dog sleds. And your culture!
The only thing we need to do with our health care is allow insurance companies to compete with each other across state lines, address the pre-existing condition issue and enact tort reform. Finis. Maybe open some more free clinics in poor neighborhoods for routine, minor health issues which will take the burden off the hospitals and their emergency rooms.
Eighty-five per cent of Americans are happy with their health care.
And our Capitalism, with its icky profit motive- is responsible for more medical advances than other countries. Remove the profit motive and you get ennui.
I am serious! They're called objectum something or other. I saw a picture of some dopey woman staring longingly at a building. I'll bet you can google it. It's a wacky time that we are living in!
French cultural minister is a pedophile molesting boys in Bangkok. No wonder they are defending Polanski.
We can also see this happening on TV. Has anyone else noted in Glee that one of the main characters is a lonely gay pedophile? Yet he too is normalized. All the adults are creepy on that show, but this is really over the top.
Gays are offended as well as everyone else.
"In which direction do you think our society is moving concerning the sexualization of children and adolsecents?"
Compared to what?
Adolescence has been "sexualized" to one degree or another for about as long as we've been calling it adolescence. The approximate difference between the "teen sex" movies of today and the "teen sex" movies of the 70s, 80s and 90s was that back then "teens" were generally played by obvious 30-somethings (think the "kids" on 90210) and now they're played by authentically young-looking early-20-somethings.
There've been periods in our recent (Western) history, from region to region, where 15 or even 13 was considered a right-and-proper age to be bearing children of one's own. Ain't a good idea now, prolly not a good idea even then, but there you have it.
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Now, as for where do I think we're "moving?" Well, on the one hand I don't like the Bratz dolls. I don't like seeing 8 year-olds wearing heels and belly-shirts. I don't like 5th Grade boys thinking that it's okay to refer to their female friends as "my ho's." I think "child beauty pageants" are about the most depraved thing I've ever laid eyes on. BUT, on the other hand, I'm glad that we don't have (legal) child-brides; which is – funny enough – something that we DID have back during some of those periods when dress and speech was more "restrained." (Funny how that works out.) Overall, I think we can do a lot better but we're also not perched anywhere NEAR the abyss.
Besides the fact that the relationship in the Reader destroys the boy's life, 15 was above the age of consent at that time. At that time in real life my 15 year old father left his parents in Singapore and was living and working alone in London. You might think it is inappropriate to show sex between a 15 year old young adult and a woman a few years older, but it was not illegal.
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I can use words, pictures and movies to present any type of propaganda. This has been done for centuries, it is nothing new. And Hollywood certainly isn't the only guilty party. Raping women and children is nothing new. It's a form of domination and control. This also, has been done for centuries. War, famine, destruction, rape, oppression, sexism, racism, and slavery are nothing new and will continue to be the norm as long as the people of earth remain in patriarchal societies. Even animals have enough sense to drive out the males from the herd when they become of age. Nothing is more dangerous to a society than a gang of males who seek to control and dominate.
While there is no defense for sexual perversion such as that described, there is also no defense in exaggerating or lying about the extent to what it may be. We here about a few horrendous cases like the rape/murder of Jessica Lunsford or this Phil Garrido creep, but for some reason, these few incidents seem to shape a perception that we all have that some sort of pernicious sexual predator epidemic in our midst. The truth is it isn't. Certain unscrupulous politicians who want to make a lot of money use these examples to make a quick buck by sponsoring these child-predator laws and hope to make money off of it if they are passed. The current law in California is draining us of money and resources over something that largely isn't that much of a problem here. The authorities tried to make the Michael Jackson case an example of an epidemic in California, even though they failed to get him convicted since there was no proof he did such deeds. Now they are trying to use our tax money to extradite Roman Polanski back to Los Angeles to prove that there is a child-predator epidemic, when in reality, the state government, in its few unscrupulous politicians (most notably George Runner), simply want to make a quick buck with the deals they have with security and prison unions. I would much rather have that money being used to build that high-speed train and light-rail Expo line we were promised, but can't have because of the selfishness of a few politicians who have now made it more dangerous for the lives of children than when they began their pernicious quest.
"An Empire of Their Own"… an amusing and well written book about the creation of "Hollywood!" by Jews written by a Jew… is a perfect illustration of the problem with one comment above about how it is OK for Hollywood to carry the propaganda flag for "homophobia" and "anti-Semitism" etc but not semi-consciously or consciously tear down the taboo concerning sexual acts of any kind with children. Half truth will not get us there!
Although Movies as another poster mentions, push the topical wave or ride it… the point is… where is that wave coming from and is Hollywood just a central part of its generative toolkit?
To say that unconsciously and consciously Jewish tribal psychic action is not a part of this discussion is the central reason that we are at war in Iraq, Afghanistan and if we don't take our orders concerning Iran… we may see another attack upon our country.
WASP culture is the target and was the target of Marxism and is still the target of the "global agenda" … same thing obviously.
Controlling thought and future thought… through emotional response/ sensitization… and for child movies, inprintation as a well for future uses these are the methods.
Marxism too was a sublimated attach on the tribal enemy. There is a revealing scene in "The Boy Stays in the Picture" about the funding of the Godfather I believe… where diamond cartel Hasidic Jews… in effect South African slave owners… (how many anti Apartheid fund raisers were held in Hollywood in the 70s??? by way?) allow our hero to stay on as the head of the studio… (Remember this is a quite funny documentary/biography) .
No not everyone in Hollywood is Jewish nor is everyone in Hollywood immoral or amoral … but to leave the tribal element out is a LIE! And the very reason that we are under the thumb of what is obviously a Jewish Banking cartel helped on by "Goy" globalists… making a mockery of the Constitution … .
It is time for all of us including Jews to point to these distasteful facts or we are all going to witness violence and possibly Civil War in our life time.
Perhaps along with Hollywood's yearly movies about the Holocaust … they might make a few movies about the 120 plus million people slaughtered by communism or purposely starved to death… and suborned in their efforts by 4 generations of Jewish leftists including Hollywood leftists? We get propaganda about "Corporations" "the Right" "Christians bigotry" the South (a Jew is on the Confederacy's currency and Jewish businessmen were up to their necks in the slave trade…) maybe films about these things?
As for McCARTHYISM'S "PARANOIA" that is… the Party… in Hollywood and its Jewish leadership… well the fact that our children are taught this as if a religious fact … that Senator McCarthy was mendacious evil… is chilling truly… the power of the Tribe in America. Read "Supermob."
Personally I'm fed up with Hollyweird and haven't been to the movies in a long time, can't even remember. I will never see a rated R movie, PG-13 is bad enough. I have no problem never going to the movies again. I can't and will not support their lack of morals and their hatred towards Christians and that every movie must contain God's name in vain. So, therefore, I can't be involved in that and the subtle or not so subtle brainwashing of many Christians. I can see evidence of such subtle brainwashing taking place in a friend of mine.
I happen to think it's a necessity for the U.S to create a more efficient and equal health care system.
Then why are they going in the opposite direction?
I haven't been keeping up with it very much, but it seems to me that the Polanski ordeal evolves around Statute of Limitations argument. Nobody was murdered in that case. Now I'm not saying that he shouldn't have been brought to justice for what he did. I'm saying, he should have been brought to justice 30 years ago.
Hollywood is the largest propaganda vehicle on the planet, and this strange coincidence of similarity in movie themes is indeed a conspiracy. The author touches on the real causes of this at the end, although unknowngly. If he asserts so strongly that this sexualisation of children is deliberate, why can he not see that other initiatives over the years were also devious, deceptive and deliberate.
Many big budget films today are clearly thinly veiled propaganda, and for a very sinister reason.
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Hi guys, I have enjoyed this thread and I am glad to have stumbled on Nolte's work.
Here is another peado film many have forgotten…. BENJAMIN BUTTON, one of the highest grossing films of last year, spread the message "if your a child at heart in an adults body its all good"
Thanks, somebunny, for replying.
I disagree. Loving God and acting in a moral fashion are two different things, and the latter doesn't spring exclusively from the first. However, I do think love of other humans goes a long way toward making morality possible.
Humans wouldn't have survived until the time of the alleged Jesus, if not for rules for living and basic morality. A society with no proscriptions against murder, for instance, is unlikely to fare as well as another, more ordered society with more rules.
Simply put, I abide by my rules and society's rules. If society's rules are more lax, I favor my own.
The 19 hijackers of 9/11 were also quite sure their deaths were "merely the beginning."
The faith you recommend seems superfluous. There is a whole world full of evidence, requiring no faih whatever, of near-miraculous things. They keep me interested and occupied.
Science proves itself wrong again and again, and no one has to die for challenging the orthodoxy. Too bad God's revealed word stirs such hatred and cruelty and murder.
Certainly, though, I can agree with owning a set of values, just not the blood-soaked, deceitful values of any of the "Big 3" monotheistic "isms."
And yes, the benefits of law and order are self-evident, and were self-evident long before the time of the alleged Christ. A society that fails to protect its young will die out. It's just that simple. Humans wanted to survive. The fact that they did means they not only did things right, but that they did the right things.
Heaven on earth?!
I dunno about that.
I've never been to the Ice Hotel either, by the way. I don't know whether there'll be an ice hotel this year. At least this Ice Castle thing went bankrupt, if I remember correctly. And lately the winters have started to be milder in the Southern Finland. And they've proven that Spring actually starts earlier. It's global warming/climate change, but that's another issue (and very controvercial in the States).
All those things you mention are what they sell to the tourists in Northern Finland, Lapland. Here in the south where most Finns live, we don't have dog sleds or reindeer.
This makes me wonder how many in Hollywood sit around everyday dreaming of raping little children. I'm sure that number would be an eye-opener if were ever to find it out. Here is the solution- Don't go to their movies. Stop funding their perversions, their lavish lifestyles. Ultimately, it is YOU, the American people who have allowed these child-raping perverts to be elevated to the heights they are at. I haven't gone to a movie in YEARS. I don't think I'll EVER go to one again. Why ever spend your hard earned money on these people?
This is upsetting, but sadly, not surprising. I am always switching off so-called "great" movies that exploit children as sexual objects.
Ironically, in this past Saturday's WSJ, the front of the Weekend Jpurnal section had an article that was critical of Hollywood's defense of Polanski. Only a few pages inside was an article about Nick Hornby's new film (he wrote the screenplay), "An Education".
These are quotes from the article; "..set in early 60's England, traces a teen schoolgirl's dalliance with a worldy older man." a 24 year old actress plays the 16 year old Jenny and Peter Sarsgaard plays…" the 30-something suitor with crafty ways."
"He(Mr. Hornby) was wary of alienating audiences with the age difference…"
"He tried to diffuse the problem of exploitation by creating a whip-smart and complicit character in Jenny, and by tamping down David's ( Sarsgaard) creep factor."
Another film, I'll be skipping, it would seem…
I understand your health care system is a bit scattered around and too costly for those who don't have the means and what's more, the insurance companies too often deny insurance even for ridiculous reasons.
If all that is really true, then it must change. A government run unified system is better than a system run and controlled by some profit-seeking insurance companies.
You're right that profit motive does make people work harder. Capitalism is good because it has this greed incentive since we humans are naturally more on the selfish mode than working for the benefit of others. And capitalism is also bad for the same reason when greed gets too much out of control and those losing in the game are getting trampled under foot.
I don't think your major problems were caused by the political Left. That's putting it way too simplistically.
Are we forgetting about the freakazoid perverted child molester Michael Jackson who is being ressurected from the dead to sell a billion more records? Yea he paid his way out it twice and we know that most libs and blacks give him king status including Obama compring im to Elvis. One problem. Presley may have sired a weirdo daughter brat and wife but he was not a pedophile.
The symbiotic relationship between the anti-God Hollowood left and the world's political left is indisputable, with their identical intentions to destroy the traditional God centered family and replace it with the almighty state. So much so, that I thought for sure that Polanski was going to beat out Obama for the Nobel Prize.
Thanks for the reminder of a score of films I had forced myself to forget about (not having seen them in the first place, but knowing of them by reputation). On my own list fo such films was, surprisingly, "The History Boys", which sold itself as a sort of Cinderella story about a bunch of scruffy state-school students beating their upper-class opponents at a big academic competition in Britain. What it turned out to be was a manipulative aplogetic for a brilliant, caring, and charming (read "pathetic old") ephebophile teacher and his suffering gay students. We left the theatre feeling disgusted and deceived.
(Winefred continues) Back in 1997, Norman Podhoretz, a former totally-free-speech advocate and itinerant debater against any and all censorship, wrote a profound reflection about his struggle as he matured, became a father, and faced the slowly emerging truth that Vladimir Nabokov's "Lolita" — however well-written a piece of literature it might be — was a book that should never be read, should never even have been written, because it was the catalyst for the normalization of pedophilia. It's a for-purchase article at Commentary magazine, and well worth the investment. "Prescient" does not begin to describe it.
Did I say anything about the Bible or Jesus? No. I was talking about the concept of sin; a personal knowledge that something is horribly wrong. Even Evil and a disruption of nature and universal balance. From what I know, atheist do not and cannot hold to those concepts. Therefore outrage and personal integrity and morality is, even for those who say they are conservative, based on if you get caught, feel good or bad emotions, or questionable logic.
Can religion be used for evil? You bet! However, at least there is such a concept of evil.
I'll have to go to the one in Canada then. (And I didn't think you traveled by dog sleds through the streets- btw- just up north- but that does sound tourist-y, come to think of it) ((But, no reindeer???))
You're reading too many talking points from the democrats. Our system isn't perfect- but it is pretty good. If an insurance company denies a claim, you have a recourse. If the government runs it, there will be no options.
The things we need to implement to improve our system could be done easily, without a drastic overhaul. They don't want to improve it, they just want more control over our lives and more power for themselves.
Let me ask you- if this system is so awful, and needs to be changed so badly, then why do the changes only take effect in 2013- AFTER the next election? You would think that some health system so utterly failing would be attacked much sooner, wouldn't you?
Sign me up as a Conservative who no longer goes to movies. I don't even rent videos very often anymore. I look at what is played in the theaters, then I go to a video store and see those are the same. Not finding any remotely of interest, much less morally worthwhile, I go home and read a book or watch a classic movie.
I do think more Conservatives are dropping out than you think. The problem is that there are too many that are on the fence who it will take more to fall off the movie watching completely.
Really? Then enlighten us with your deep understanding of American history from a Scandinavian perspective! I'm dying to hear how the current state of America is the fault of unchecked capitalism and the evils of the American Right!
But you could ask the same question to a heterosexual couple, that wishes to marry too, or am I wrong?
I support gay marriage, and in my opinion it is not wrong as long as it hurts no one.
Incest couples could hurt someone if they produce offspring.
I have nothing against group marriage (if the people like it that way, why not? there´s no reason to be against it, if it harms no one).
rape and pedophilia have nothing to do with homosexuality.
Aren´t those young stars allowed to say no to a role?
Everyone who has sex or rapes a child should be punished. It doesn´t matter if its a famous person or not.
But making movies about this themes is not a crime, and if it would be, then every movie (or book or whatever) that contains themes like rape, child abuse, murder, violence….should be forbidden.
strangely, (nearly) nobody complains about violence in movies or those crime stories you see nearly every evening any more…
Hollywood (not that I like it) is making movies, and if a person rapes someone after watching a movie that contains this themes, this person is sick. You can´t blame it on Hollywood.
I mean, people should be able to distinguish between fiction and reality.
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They did a movie about the hero of the child sex movement, Kinski. As part of his 'studies' this 'doctor', who received his doctorate for studying insects, hired child molestors to do their thing with infants and young children, to prove that babies are sexual creatures and respond to 'stimuli' just like adults do.
His work is the basis of much of the philosophy of sex ed today. And Planned Parenthood and SIECUS make a fortune off of it.
This is nothing new. I remember the shock waves 'Pretty Baby' emitted. It featured a naked 10 yr old Brooke Shields in a brothel being sold to the highest bidder. The winner got the 'privaledge' of deflowering her.
Sickeing. A few years later, as a young teen, Brook starred in 'The Blue Lagoon'. Again underage, nude..but this time 'discovering' her sexuality.
Let's stop watching the garbage.
I suggest conservatives and Christians start their own studios and distribution companies to produce and distribute films with conservative and Christian values. Clearly, film has a tremendous impact on our culture. Instead of blaming Hollywood and "the culture", we need to influence the culture with our own values. Making, distributing, and paying for tickets and DVDs of movies with wholesome values is the only way we are going to stop our country from sliding into the Hollywood cesspool.
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I definitely agree about context.
As far as humanizing offenders – see my previous comments about the fiction-generator's mindset. I think a writer or director or actor sees a pedophile as a mere character. To make the character worthwhile, he needs to be a tormented soul or an innocent warped by society, someone "interesting" to write about or portray in a movie. I think they often consider creating and depicting repugnant characters, and getting the audience to sympathize with them, as some sort of artistic challenge. It's more satisfying to them to violate our expectations in various clever ways than to have characters and situations turn out like the "should" in the real world. And they can always say the good guys don't always win in real life, so why should they in the movies?
I'm not trying to justify any of the creepy stuff mentioned in this article – just speculating about why and how Hollywood thinks it's ok to serve up morally-repugnant fare. I think it's down to "art" and ego.
What makes these artists and Hollywood queens and kings think their work is even worth watching or listening to? I am an artists but not an abuser. These are abusers who happen to be artists and use their art to promote their self gratifying philosophies. Their movies and music are just projections of their own feelings and pathetic lives and demons. And as far as I am concerned Polanski is a rapist as was Mackenzie’s father, Jagger, and others. McCartney (who allowed Philips "to move all over his body") and other parasites seem to have some serious drug problems and issues using drugs with children.
You have to ask yourselves why we even care for these slobs who became rich and famous off our backs (raping us) while we worked our butts off and lived decent lives raising decent children. They obviously did a pathetic job of parenting. Stop supporting these parasites including Oprah and Goldberg and other talk show celebrities. Some are rape victims who have yet to face their own demons. How dare Oprah judge Philips? Some rape victims are still in denial and blame themselves. They don't get it. Linda
Thank God Oprah and other women like her don't have children living with them or they may allow someone to rape their own, not having the gutts to face their own abuse. Blaming the victim is so typical of those who identify with the rapists. The reality of Hollywood and the music business and talk show hosts is they are obsessed with rape, slavery, drugs, money, fame, and all about getting their rocks off. I just saw the end of a movie in which Peter Fonda rapes and runs away with Brook Shields when a child. It is amazing just how many child and young actors are pimped off by their parents, producers, and adult actors and Directors for money and self gratification. My kids and grandkids and on and on will not be enslaved by the parasites of this society. Let these parasites feast on crap while the decent folk enjoy the cake. In other words stop supporting the habits of these addicts-DON'T BUY THEIR MOVIES and DON'T Watch THEIR SHOWS. Be good to yourselves! Set some boundaries! Linda
It isn't the movie itself that is a problem it is the idea that sex with children is OK AND BEING PROMOTED IN MOVIES OR BOOKS, ETC.. They can make their movies we just won't watch and we will be sure that these child ABUSERS DON'T GET AWAY WITH ABUSING CHILDREN. RAPE IS AGAINST THE LAW SO IS MOLESTING CHILDREN. STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT A N ISSUE ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHEN THIS ISN'T. i AM AN ARTIST BUT i WILL NOT TOLERATE ABUSE & RAPE. No one should.
Being Gay doesn't make you a child molester. Most child molesters are heterosexuals anyway. This accusation is just another denial of the reality. When heterosexuals scapgoat the gays. beware. Listen carefully to what anyone may say- There are indicators of abusers who are hetero or gay, etc. and there are always signs of a problem. learn what they are and protect your children and yourselves. Linda
Your premise seems to be that not "admitting" our arousal is somehow harmful to us as individuals. Or to society. Or something. Why? I admit I have a bad temper and sometimes I tell people about it, but that doesn't make it go away, nor does it make me a happier, more fulfilled person. My temper is just a fact of life that I have to deal with. It doesn't mean anything.
My sexual attraction to anything with tits and a few things without 'em is also a fact of life that I have to deal with. It's biological; I have no control over the urge – only what I do about it. I assume that every other heterosexual male on the planet is in the same situation. So what is there to "admit?" It is what it is.
It doesn't, bit I think it's kind of implied that Matilda would like to. Or let's at least say she's sexualized in a couple of scenes. Once again, it's all about exploring her character and examining the complex relationship between her and Leon – and not about the director being a dirty old man.
I never saw the movie Doubt, but I did read the play. Is Donald Mueller's mother really portrayed as the moral center of the film? It would seem to me that it would still have to be Sister James without a major rewriting. Perhaps you're just getting that out of the film because that's what you were expecting? The whole thing is completely ambiguous (hence the name).
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And the putrid stench passed off as "Law Enforcement" enables this swill as well.
Yeah, we know where Finland is. At least I do, so no need to sanctimoniously point it out to us.
Re; Does this ever happen in the movies?
Please watch The Ascent (by Shepitko, 1977)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjc4J-qC3wU&fe...
…this is, in essence, a 20th-century reconceptualization of the Jesus/Judas relationship. Jesus (Sotnikov) is venerated beyond belief, whilst Judas (Rybak) exchanges his integrity for survival – degenerating into delusional paranoia as a result. Has Shepitko therefore duped us? Are her attempts to comprehend the individual/national conscience merely a disguise for yet another dualism (hero vs. villain), this time with a Biblical twist?… from film is love. ( http://filmislove.blogspot.com/2008/11/ascent-she...
I do realize some of you know. And who knows, there might even be some other Finns here, though my people are not that numerous and the internet is a big place. But all of us love Hollywood movies.
I covered this subject on my blog a few days ago:
http://arizonayank.blogspot.com/2009/10/if-your-p...
If I remember correctly, the Labour Party in England tried to lower the age of consent (for homosexual sex) to 11 until somewhat saner heads prevailed and made it 16. At any rate, it's only a matter of time I think before Daniel Granger Day becomes a reality.
I woudnd't want to blame your Rightists either. The Left have participated in the unchecked capitalism as well. I was simply trying to say that it makes no sense just putting the blame on one political party or another. The world affairs are a more complex thing than that.
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I remember that Dr Kinski , him and Dr Herzog did a lot of research together.
I learn so much from this website.
Hollywood is run by deviant child molesters.
Gay people are also mostly child molesters.
Acorn is the most important and evil organization on the face of the earth.
Conservatives don't like black people much but THEY ARE NOT RACIST.
Oh , you don't think these comments are fair?
Well , I don't like being linked with pedophilia just because I'm a left winger.
Have fun losing more elections, you jerks.
They sleep together as in they slept in the same bed. They didn't have sex.
@LINDA: Being Gay doesn't make you a child molester. Most child molesters are heterosexuals anyway. This accusation is just another denial of the reality. When heterosexuals scapgoat the gays. beware. Listen carefully to what anyone may say- There are indicators of abusers who are hetero or gay, etc. and there are always signs of a problem. learn what they are and protect your children and yourselves. Linda
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Why don't you just admit you just jumped in here to post a bunch of propaganda, which whitewashes and minimizes every crime ever perpetrated by a homosexual?
Having a homosexual mindset doesn't prevent anyone from being a child molester, a murderer, or a slime. Pedophilia is not a separate category from heterosexuality or bisexuality or homosexuality. The concept of sexual orientation (e.g. having a homosexual mindset) has nothing to do with having consensual sex, nor with orientation towards a selected age (adult) group. It refers to the sex of the sexual orientation target as compared to the individual in question. Nothing more.
to LINDA-
By saying that pedophilia rarely intersects with homosexuality, you are basically perpetrating a monstrous lie. The gall of saying this when, just as one example, it is a fact that a considerable number of privileged homosexuals travel to exploit boys in third wold countries… The estimates of victims are of millions of minors (both sexes) being collectively raped in this sadistic industry every year.
"Most child molesters are heterosexuals anyway." When someone tries so hard to shove every real case of homosexual abuse under the carpet, it does raise questions about motive. Does it hit too close to home? Is it to protect the homo molesters you have as friends? Yes, we are listening carefully to what you are saying.
you people are nuts
1. You failed to mention that Doubt, The Reader, Notes on a Scandal and Little Children are all based on books and weren't just written to promote Hollywood's Gay Liberal Child-Touching Agenda. They were written as books meant to bring social taboos to light and address what is wrong with EVERYONE, not just the sick individual involved.
2. None of them portrayed pedophilia in a positive light, but on the side they also addressed some important issues:
a. that it's not just pedophilia that is the problem, it's the fact that America has this habit of sexualizing little girls (and sometimes boys). And it's not just liberals who do it, conservative forums also sexualize little girls and make them the young-yet-seemingly-grown fantasy of grown men everywhere (hellooooo child beauty pageants).
b. that parents need to pay attention to their children, guide them and make them realize that sexuality is just something that happens to us all at a certain age because of growth and puberty.
Have you ever seen Hard Candy? Ridiculously powerful HOLLYWOOD movie about the vengeance a girl (Ellen Page) inflicts upon an active pedophile who murdered her friend. She inflicts this vengeance by LURING him into trap she set using her young, awkward, burgeoning femininity. But along the way she has to realize that by doing so she is just as much of a monster as he is; that he has a mental SICKNESS that needs addressing.
Pedophilia is a sickness, for sure. It needs to be treated with therapy, not just by putting them on a list and publicly shaming them. Hollywood isn't trying to "normalize" it anymore than anyone else is. It is WRONG and these movies clearly portray it as WRONG. In "Doubt" when the mother of the boy turns a blind eye to her son's abuse, it's not saying that pedophilia is okay. The MOTHER is in the WRONG. She is upset that her son is gay, and she does not want to deal with it. She sees it as a sickness just as much as she sees the preist's pedophilia as a sickness… The point of that movie is that NO ONE is right.
With Towelhead Jasira's sexuality (which, i mean she's at the peak of puberty, of course she's starting to have "those" feelings) is just beginning, and rather than dealing with it, or the fact that her boyfriend sort of sexually violated her daugther, the mother sends her away in the hopes that keeping her away from him will save her daughter. Instead of DEALING with her daughter's natural up and coming sexuality, the mother TURNS AWAY and writes it off as something she does not want to deal with (which a lot of foreign, and especially Eastern, cultures to do young women because they do not want to address sex or sexual feelings that arise before marriageable age). Jasira is forced to take things into her own hands, and while she DOES SUFFER ABUSE, he is TOO CONFUSED to know how wrong it is because no one will explain to her WHY it is wrong to have sex with such older men.
A better, real world example of this: the abuses with little boys in the Catholic church. You blame the priests, and indeed they deserve blame. But who is blaming the parents? No one. Why not? Parents deserve just as much blame. Maybe if you were actively interested in your child's life, your child would KNOW the difference between right and proper behavior and improper behavior from adults. Or better yet, maybe if you openly communicated with your child, they would openly communicate back. Instead, most of the parents preferred to shield their kids from "evils" which only left them exposed. How does a kid fight against a monster in sheep's clothing when it only knows what sheep looks like and not a monster? IT CAN'T!
Society is SO messed up about the way we handle sexuality. It's not just the gay-agenda liberals, it's the closet-gay-meth-abusing-hooker-screwing conservatives as well.
Also, if you are going to write an article like this, make sure you ACTUALLY understand the movies you are critiquing. Thanks to this, many people may actually miss watching movies that actually address SERIOUS issues. Now more people are just going to watch drivel such as "Larry the Cable Guy" and "RV".
[...] Hollywood Normalizes Pedophilia [...]
The purpose of art is to ask the "What If" question. Was Mark Twain a racist when he wrote "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn"? The fact is, it doesn't matter. Twain wasn't telling us HOW to think, but merely to THINK. I believe the same can be said of these filmmakers. I also believe that the resounding answer across America, and most of the world, is that child molestation is NOT okay, regardless of what Roman Polanski and some of these actors and actresses think.
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