No Oscar For You: Matt Damon’s Iraq Critique Moved to March
by John NolteWhy would a company interested in making money (so they say) make yet another film trashing the Iraq War? By my count (narratives and documentaries), 13 have already flopped miserably and yet Matt Damon and director Paul Greengrass team up for number 14, this one a big-budget studio critique of a war that successfully liberated 25 million innocent people.
Companies truly interested in making a profit don’t behave this way, which is why there’s never been a New Coke 2, much less a New Coke 14. And yet, Universal doubles down on more anti-Americanism using the fig-leaf of “based on a true story” to hide their malicious intentions which — to anyone paying attention — are always exposed by which “true stories” they choose to drop in theaters all over the world.
Here’s the New Yorker description of the book “Green Zone” is based on:
There the Halliburton-run (and Muslim-staffed) cafeteria served pork at every meal—a cultural misstep typical of the Coalition Provisional Authority, which had sidelined old Arab hands in favor of Bush loyalists. Not only did many of them have no previous exposure to the Middle East; more than half had never before applied for a passport. While Baghdad burned, American officials revamped the Iraqi tax code and mounted an anti-smoking campaign.
No real need to read beyond “Halliburton.”
But there appears to be trouble in MattDamonLand. Hidden deep within Universal’s announcement that Benicio del Toro’s “Wolfman” (the two-part story of a hairy revolutionary determined to overthrow Transylvania) has been moved to February, comes this:
Universal has moved the release of Paul Greengrass’s Matt Damon–starring Iraq-war drama (and former ostensible Best Picture contender) Green Zone from this fall all the way to March 12. Why? Maybe it’s no good! But more likely, after the box-office failures of Land of the Lost, Public Enemies, and Brüno, Universal just couldn’t withstand another flop in 2009 (and Green Zone, about the fruitless search for WMDs, hardly seems like a blockbuster).
Yanking this from award season (when Oscar-buzz was probably the best hope to not look foolish for making it in the first place) and dumping it in the dog days of March, signals a major lack of confidence. One is left to wonder how Damon likes those apples.
But only now is Universal worried “Green Zone” will flop, even though production began in January of 2008, long after it became obvious this genre was box-office poison. But there were only five Iraq floppers then. Maybe it does take thirteen.
Actually, it doesn’t matter how many fail. This is an ideological war, not a drive for profit.
Ultimately, no one knows how “Green Zone” will do at the box office. Maybe, like the Iraq War, it will prove its harshest critics wrong and end up a successful venture worth the investment.
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Hollywood should be ashamed of their constant portrayal of our brave guys and girls as dumb thugs.
The founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves.
How the hell can the Wolfman be 2 parts?
God…the "fruitless search for WMDs" again?
They just aren't searching in the right places…they've probably arrived at the Miami Port Authority by now.
Anyone notice that Matt Damon is really, really fat? I mean, he has the money and the fame, so he'll always get the girls. But the dude is encroaching on whale territory. I'm sure he would say he's putting on the pounds for a role. I say, more like a roll…hahahaha. I crack myself up.
John: That's an interesting development. It may just be that they can't make enough cheap money-makers to pay for their anti-American flops anymore. It's not a lack of desire to slap America in the face, it's that they've reached the point of diminishing returns.
I pretty much wrote Damon off when he went after Palin right after she was announced as McCain's running mate. I'm sure he thought it was very intellectual to question whether on not Palin believed dinosaurs existed in the Jurassic age, but really he just looked like an a**hat. This is the guy they like to make a big deal over because he went to Harvard. Does anyone remember that he didn't graduate after 4 years there? I'd love to ask him if he found the Enlgish program at Harvard to be too difficult. Was Shakespeare beyond his grasp? Is that why he tries so hard to malign someone else's intelligence? To convince himself that he has some?
I think Nolte was joking about Che (both film star Benicio del Toro).
I think Nolte was joking about Che (both film star Benicio del Toro).
If you were being sarcastic, please disregard this comment.
I think Nolte was joking about Che (both films star Benicio del Toro).
If you were being sarcastic, please disregard this comment.
I wouldn't say all Iraq war movies are clunkers. The Hurt Locker is quite good, performing well, and not at all a political take on the situation. I recomend it highly.
Another new MOVIE giving credit to our troops… and will miserably fail!!!! Have to love what the HOLLYWOOD elite think of our BRAVE soliders….. they should be ashamed of themselves….
Why, can't there be movies like the old John Wayne movies showing our soliders in a differnt light!!!
Another LIBERAL movie I will not be seeing this year!
All these clowns are searching for their Hanoi Jane moment to mark their scent on the fire hydrant of history as a radical. It is the perfect emblem of Hollywood to be a radical and successful at the same time. The "hey I beat the man at his own game with out selling out" stripe. Damon, Penn, Clooney, Pitt, all of them seek it. Problem is that the 60s have gone forever and will never be replicated. The anti-whateverists have to contend with the fact that the silent majority is not silent anymore. (1/3)
So the fat and gristle of ignorance that they need to help their silly notions slide under the gaze of serious analysis is not there anymore. They will be ridiculed for the silly people that they are. Plus the tabloidization of their media (thank you MTv) is really show what perfect ass-hats these people are (as people) far removed from their romantic screen/stage personas. (2/3)
So keep tilting at the windmills, you fundamentally unserious two bit hacks. We've moved on. We like our creature comforts, we like our McMansions, our 2.3 kids, 3 car garages and fantasy football pools. And we will not listen to ambassadors of whine who seek to disrupt the system that gave us these things. No matter how edgy and hip you try to make your case out to be. Screw you, screw your global warming, screw your victimology.
The only thing worth paying for from LA is porn. (3/3)
Holy, freankin' COW!! Another one! (That is, another anti-American Iraq-war flick. How completely stupid must the current residents of Hollywood be.)
Un-freakin'-believable! Too funny.
Thx for the tip. I will be sure NOT to be lured by the smart previews. (Actually, it will be interesting to see how they bill this movie during the previews. In fact, that would be a fantastic bit of investigative reporting: In all of those full-length-film box-office failures, where the US is the immoral or blood-thirsty antagonist… how often was the anti-war bias clearly communicated in the trailers? Was it billed as just a basic "war movie"? I remember thinking Jarheads was going to be a good, red-blooded look at the GI's. Very disappointed with that one.)
Eagerly awaiting the New Hollywood.
'Wonder how Damon likes those apples …'
Best line of the week, if not the month.
I also liked Hurt Locker. It was very well made, the action and explosions, etc. with minimal gratuitous political messages.
Never mind that it is nothing like what was happening in Iraq at the time and all the Iraq vets have denouced it as Hollywood BS.
The best Iraq War doc you will see is The Last 600 Meters by Stephen K. Bannon. I saw it about a month ago. Non-political. Just about the troops. Specifically the first battle of Fallujah, then Najaf, then back to Fallujah. It does however show how politics effect the troops. Like one of the soldiers said, "i don't make foreign policy. I just deliver the last 600 meters of it." (the range of a sniper's rifle) it should be getting a theatrical release soon.
http://www.popmodal.com/video/2697/p2-The-Last-60...
I'm just amused by the idea of New Coke 2: "Taste-tests really, really secret-pinky swear that you're going to like it this time."
There's no doubt it's hollywood fiction. Especially the part where he breaks into that guys house looking for the kid. Of course the guy is a college professor who speaks 50 different languages and graciously treats the intruder like a prince. Iraqi's are so much better than us.
Just before the invasion, Iraq sent a caravan of "humanitarian aid" into Syria that went unchecked. Hmm . . . i wonder.
John, seriously?!? A movie about mercenaries looking for WMDs? Lemme guess….two hours of footage of 3 guys in a helicopter scoping out hundreds of square miles of desert looking for something everyone in the audience KNOWS they don't find. This goes way beyond ideology. It is a sickness. There are so many compelling storylines out there that have never been considered for a film. (I can give any hollywood producer several off the top of my head.) All I can say is don't go to these ridiculous movies, which is quite easy considering how bad they are.
I quit giving a crap about what Matt Damon says after he decided to weigh-in on Sarah Palin last fall (Oh wait! I NEVER gave a crap about what Matt Damon says let alone thinks). He is nothing more than a slightly better looking Sean Penn with the political IQ of Michael Moore. I doubt I will ever buy one or even go see his movies again. What a pitty, and Universal used to make decent movies too.
The link to the New Yorker is no good. I could not find the one he wanted to link to on the web.
of a war that successfully liberated 25 million innocent people
As well as the 60,000+ Iraqis who were also liberated -from breathing.
Maaaaaaaaaaatttttttt Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamon
Maaaaaaaaaaattttttt Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamon
MATT DAMON!!!!!!
Ya, a lobsta roll
Hollywood….
I just don’t understand. Acting is an occupation just as teaching, business, nursing, posthole diggers etc..,
They seem to have self importance problem. I love a good movie and will continue to watch on cable or when a DVD can be borrowed but that’s as far as that goes. Look what happens to folks that come from nothing as did Damon and get fat paychecks fast and furious. They act like King Kong and they think it too. Allow me to let you in on something here Boys, you aint all that let alone more. Take away your simplistic “cry on cue” money and those wide eyed nymphets’ who support your self importance; you’re only a number just like the rest of us.
I like Damon's acting just as I like my architect. The difference here is that my architect is going to get paid as I will watch Mat Damon for the rest of my life knowing not one of my dollars will be gracing his ignorant pocket.
I guess Universal thought they might be able to sneak the movie in as part of a nostalgia tour. A dicey move at best since the press does not even mention Iraq anymore.
Maybe they should just reconsign themselves to positive propaganda for Obama, government healthcare, global warming, and calling for the mass extinction of the evil we call the human race.
But don't we all need a villain… a singular villain on which to focus our hate and shoot darts at on Friday night's at the pub? Hey, break Jesus out of the storage shed.
Ah, that's better.
I thought Maaaaaaaaaaaatttttttt Daaaaaaaaaaamon was killed off at the end of Team America World Police. WTF is he doing in another movie?
Yes… after that earthquake…you gotta good memory. The UN stupidly let them fly aid sorties into Syria. I forget the exact number of sorties but there were a lot. By now, they are no longer in Syria.
Matt Damon must have missed this headline: "Iraqis Celebrate Second Anniversary of 'Wonderful, Colossal' Erroneous Prediction of U.S. Senator Harry Reid": http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/04/iraqis-celebr...
He'll make up some lame excuse that it wasn't a challenging curriculum, not enough required material with the word "People's" in the title.
And who killed those Iraqis, numbnuts? WHO?
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatt Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamon. Enough said.
Does he ever have an original thought about anything? Then again, most ultra-left kooks don't.
And this is the same Matt Damon who is also making a movie- I kid you not- of Howard Zinn's <s>Pinko's</s> People's History of the United States.
I believe I just read somewhere that they just found papers that proved Saddam Hussein was perpetuating the ruse that he had WMD to scare off Iran. I guess his PR (or is it PM) team was very effective!
John's made a post almost every day this week. It's been a good week.
here, here.
I respect when an artist wants to make a statement in their work. I appreciate that Damon may have things he believes to be of great importance, and wants to use his position to influence the world for the better (or, at least, what he believes would be better). So I won't begrudge him that, even though I probably disagree with most of what he believes.
But if his movie isn't entertaining, he's failed. If he can't convince me of the rightness of his position through solid, deep, sympathetic characters; if he can't present the opposing view as anything more than straw men or cackling, moustache-twirling villains; if he can't inspire me to rethink the entire issue; then he's failed.
I have no problem with message movies, but they'd better be pretty well-done in order to work.
And, as you've said, the moment actors believe that their voices are more important because they're famous (and not because they're experts on the subjects they're speaking about), I'm far less likely to lend them an ear in regards to anything. Besides, I've known too many actors to give them much credit to begin with…
Man. On. FIRE!
Maybe they should try to sneak this film in for "Cash for Clunkers".
What can I say? I still like Matt Damon. I also think it's pretty much common knowledge now that the first years in Iraq were fraught with mismanagement and flagrant waste of billions of our tax dollars. (remember those pallets of cash) Doesn't detract from the good that was and is being done, but there _were_ a lot of inexperienced people there. I think it's a legitimate subject. I don't think Damon's too worried about his Oscar chances…he's already got one. As Iraq movies go, I thought "Hurt Locker" was excellent, and it's making a pretty good profit. We'll see…
I was always under the impression that they didn't give failing grades at the vast majority of Ivy League schools. In fact, most have told me that the Ivies are hard to get into, but are cake once there (not the case for grad schools, for the most part, I've been told). Chances are, he just couldn't be bothered going to class and fulfilling his requirements.
How typical – just another egocentric Hollywood-ite who is more into himself, it appears, than doing "what someone else wants or thinks he should do."
the sinner,
Patrick
Greengrass is the director of "United 93," which was a well-done, "real-time" narrative of the fate of the flight that crashed into a Pennsylvania field after the passengers attempted to wrest control of the plane on September 11th. It was an effective, un-apologetic look at the murdering terrorists and heroic spirit of the handful of passengers. So, it's possible that Greengrass may bring a more even-handed approach to the material than directors of previous Iraq-themed projects. Possibly. Maybe.
Yes.. I heard that too. And I believe I saw an interview with a former army general of Saddam Hussein's state that they had wmd's and moved them during the earthquake crisis. So… there we are.
More likely Syria and/or Lebanon.
Silly me, I worked my butt off to get through community college, and ended up with 15 job offers upon graduating. I settled on the first one, IBM, Burlington, Vermont.
Do you have any idea how friggin cold it gets up there? I had my engine freeze up once, nursed my car to a service station where they thawed it out. The mechanic told me the problem was the anti-freeze was only set to 45 below zero.
Silly me.
There are a lot of questions to this. At least one high-ranking Iraqi air force general claims he was in charge of moving WMD's out of the country and into Syria (and not long after the invasion, wasn't there a truck captured in Syria with a bunch of chemical weapons that no one could identify the origin of?). It wasn't just *having* WMDs, it was trying to procure them. There were the tons and tons of yellowcake finally moved out of Iraq last year, I believe. (I know some left-wing pundits have attempted to claim that "we knew" about that stuff, but here's the problem: it was prohibited material by the cease-fire, and Iraq, in its reports to the UN, didn't declare it. These are exactly the violations of the cease-fire the Bush admin was talking about).
Oh, and let's also not forget that Iraq had several terrorist training camp, where foreign-born terrorists (2,000 a year for four years) were trained inside Iraq and then release out onto the world. (National Review Online has those articles from a few years back in the archives, I think).
The fact is, there are hundreds of thousands of documents still left untranslated. We have no clue as to the exact extent of Iraq's WMD program, capabilities or stockpiles (or where they may/may not be). I DO know that before the 2006 mid-term elections, the NY Times, of all places, ran an article blasting Bush for putting documents seized by our troops from Iraq online, hoping to get help in translating them.
Why blast Bush? Because, at the time, reports came out that Iran was far, far closer to a nuclear weapon than we had thought. NYT blamed Bush for putting docs online, for public perusal, that included detailed schematics for nuclear weapons and delivery systems. In fact, the NYT claimed that Iraq was much farther along in its WMD program than anyone knew.
Of course, the next week, the NYT published a pathetic "clarification" in which it basically said "we know we said Iraq had WMD programs, but that's not what we meant." Didn't explain exactly what they meant, just that the NYT didn't mean to say anything that might be seen as vindicating Bush.
End story: there is a lot o' information yet to be sifted through. We may not know the whole truth for years, if ever.
the sinner,
Patrick
The last war movie I liked was Full Metal Jacket. The good, the bad, and the ugly.
You very well may have a valid point, but I think its something more. I think they've got their eyes on the world wide market, international sales.
When Bush was President, the US had terrible polling numbers internationally. Of course the fact the MSM pounded him daily, which the rest of the world watched, no doubt had a huge impact on the numbers. But with Obama in office, and unbelievably positive press coverage, those numbers are going up. Which does not bode well for anti-American themes.
During the two yeas I've spent directing my own (non-political) documentary and attending writing classes at UCLA, I've often broached the topic of these money-losing Iraq war movies to entertaininment industry aquaintences. The answer I have received, almost without fail: Those films DID make money, and anyone who says otherwise is either a right-wing propagandist or doesn't understand "Hollywood accounting." They also tell me that those films (Redacted, Rendition, Valley of Ellah, etc) rake in megabucks overseas.
Now, I'd much sooner believe John Nolte than any brain-dead LA Kiddie Kommie Obama-worshipper. But even so, they SEEM to know what they are talking about.
Or, maybe, this is his leftist "mea culpa" for making "United 93." I remember watching that film in Orange, CA. I left the theater with knots in my stomach – like coming away from a confrontation that verges on a fight but doesn't quite explode. During the film, a bunch of kids were in the audience and laughing. My wife verbally bitch-slapped them, leaving the theater in silence the rest of the film, until the end. Those same kids, when the group charged the cabin, were yelling things like "kill that m-f-'er! Break his f-in' head!" It was quite the turnaround and, to be honest, kinda chill-inducing to hear a bunch of "yo, yo homey's" suddenly get into a film like that after acting like stereotypical teens at the beginning.
the sinner,
Patrick
Iraq has been Liberated? You mean from Hussein, the man that received billions of dollars in aid in support and was only in power to begin with because the West installed him in power and made sure that he was supplied with all the military weapons he needed? You mean the man that still received aid and support from the United States even after the Kurds were killed? You mean, that guy? Seriously? That's why we went to Iraq? To liberate them from a man that had our full help and support and billions of our dollars for over 20 years? Seriously? You're not even joking a little? Not even cracking a smile at the absurdity of your comment?
Is your point that we shouldn't have taken him out? Your argument seems to be that it's our fault he was in power anyway, so wouldn't the Iraq War just have been cleaning up our own mess in your view?
Or is your point that we should have left him in power despite his crimes, because U.S. intervention is always bad no matter the reasoning behind it?
Because only pinkos acknowledge that millions and millions of natives were slaughtered when the Europeans came to take their lands?
Because only pinkos acknowledge that there was a time when millions and millions of human beings were bought and sold as slaves right here in the United States less than 150 years ago?
Because only pinkos acknowledge that women had no power to work or vote, let alone lead, for hundreds of years in the United States?
It's possible to acknowledge the sins and mistakes of the United States and not be a pinko. I'm a libertarian and a conservative and I have no problem reading history and seeing the times where Americans allowed human rights abuses to go on and in some places even encouraged them.
No real need to read beyond “Halliburton.”
Of course not.
John,
As a former political campaign aide, my first instinct is to say that the March 2010 release date would be well-chosen for setting the terms of an election issue.
Although, I don't really see how Dems can use the Iraq war for a 2010 House or Senate race, there may be issues that we are unaware of. Perhaps this is being set up as a bulwark for possible future confrontation with Iran. Can you imagine trying to argue the use of force against Iran and all the libs referencing this movie as a clear argument against?
This wouldn't be my first hunch as a general observer, but as a political observer, I would assume the release date has some kind of election import.
Yes but this has happened in every country in the world — some further back in history and some fairly recent. Why is it that you guys think that only the USA has to apologize? No country can go backward and change their history, we can only move forward. The relentless focus on slavery, which has been illegal in this country for some time, serves what purpose? Your time would be better spent condemning the atrocities that are happening NOW such as the honor killings of Muslim women right here in the USA and in many other countries around the world.
may it go the way of Che!
Indeed.. have always been a big fan of werewolf related movies (especially the old Lon Chaney ones), but with benicio in it, it might have soured the taste.
but it's Harvard.. I thought all classes there had "People's" in the title. Oh wait.. that's Berkley..
my bad.
And the 3500 brave young men following orders that died on our side. The war has caused the deaths of more Iraqi civilians than died during the entire time Saddam was in power.
It wasn't a war to liberate the people from Saddam. It never was. Nobody even thought of suggesting that as a reason until well after the bombs had fallen and the tanks moved in. We were told we went to Iraq to prevent the use and spread of WMDs by Saddam, not to protect the brown skinned people there, who Bush could give two shits about, else he'd have been in Sudan stopping the genocide of millions of people that were actually being slaughtered right then.
Try North Dakota.. spent 4 years there. We had electric heaters attached to our engines to keep them from freezing up at night.
Paul_D
Freedom has a cost! How many American lives do you think it cost through the years to give you the freedom to post a comment on a website and make an a** out of yourself. You do this without fear of retribution, imprisonment or death all because of the sacrifices of others…………………….. So piss off……….
They rebuilt him… He is just a puppet after all.
They should rename it "Can't Make Any Green Zone". -HA
Jesus… Someone needs to let Matt Damon know that he's really not Jason Bourne or some super hero that will enlighten anyone with his liberal crybaby propaganda garbage. But he really IS more like the puppet/marionette of himself from "Team America: World Police."
Agreed….the older werewolf movies relied on suspense. This one will be some crap about how the werewolf is the result of some warmongering HalliBushCheney cabal that dumped excess pollutants into the river in which his mother bathed him, and damn the endangered two-toed salamader which was in turn mutated into Godzilla….
Oh, they made that one already.
Ah, the "what about THIS country" fallacy.
The usual excuse for doing nothing at all anywhere.
Yeah, but when has a real Marine ever shot his DI in cold blood?
Because only "pinkos" slaughter strawmen in such great numbers?
Maybe the blue fairy turned him into a "real boy". ;P
And they can always delay it further…say, late October 2010.
I agree Elaine C, I say, Pishaw on all that "white guilt" nonsense.
LOL! Shoulda been here LAST winter…
I never had any use for him. I first heard of him from Good Will Hunting where he gives this huge idiotic speech (which he and AFLAC wrote) that crams every liberal idea you can think of it into one speech. "I crack a code, and we bomb some people who never hurt me, and it's all for the oil companies." Blah blah blah.
This is the only way to get an "award" from the Academy now. If you kick your country around, stomp all over the "crazy – redneck – unstable" troops that actually protect their freedom to produce and star in this crap, YOU get an Academy Award nomination. Plus, it's a good way to look cool to the Europeans, this way they can get their free ticket to Cannes. That's why I can't even watch them anymore, I get physically ill seeing these lousy, backstabbing, so-called "citizens of the world" patting themselves on the back.
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Try Navy boot camp at Great Lakes. Reputed to be the coldest spot in the western hemisphere with wind chill factor included.
When will Hollywood learn from its mistakes. There are so many stories that can be told that would grab the interest of movie goers. There are so many books that have been written by our great service members that would tell a powerful message available to be shown on the big screen. Ones that we all could learn from. I read a book recently titled Joker One easily could be a movie. Many of us know of Lone Survivor that at one time was going to be made into a movie but appears to be in Hollywood limbo.
I guess Hollywood just can't accept the fact that Americans respect and Honor our service members. Or Hollywood does not want to upset Jihadist that they seem to support. Thank God for book publishers anyway, the stories can still get out and Hollywood can't bastardize the truth.
I don't know, I'm just a state college grad– though I did actually finish. I went to school in Japan for a semester and there were a lot of students there from Ivy League colleges–one in fact was from Harvard. She told me that being a Harvard undergrad was nothing, only grad school mattered. She also said that it wasn't as hard as people think to get into the undergrad program– again, it was the grad school program that had all the hurdles.
Thing is that they did find a mess of WMDs. But the mainstream media and the democrats say things like, they were old or some other crap like that so they didn't count.
Just like the dems, moving the goalposts during the game.
When the hell are the money changers in Hollywood going to put a stop to these anti-war crap movies? I mean, come on. Hollywood is a 'BUSINESS' , not a fricking hobby. And in business, you have to make money. So when are the money changers going to finally get it through their heads that the jerks they've put in charge of deciding which films get made are pouring the money changers' money down a rat hole? Come on. This is beyond stupid – this is insane.
I look forward to seeing Matt Damon's DVD in the .99 cent bargain rack.
Well ultimately it was backed by GE. That's a surprise. You can looked forward to them repeating the crap out of it on USA & Bravo. There's got to be a message in there someplace. MAAAAAAAAT DAMOOOOOOOONNNN – blockhead.
"fraught with mismanagement and flagrant waste of billions of our tax dollars" just like every other large govt program.
however, unlike almost all other govt operations, it eventually accomplished some positive things.
nations do not have permanent allies.
nations do not have permanent enemies.
nations only have permanent interests.
LOL!
If only there were a "Team America: World Police" version that was safe for kids.
I laughed until I almost threw up, myself, but I can't let the kids watch it. I'm sad.
John Noble's a sly one.
"The war has caused the deaths of more Iraqi civilians than died during the entire time Saddam was in power."
Wrong.
It is estimated that Saddam killed up to 1 million of his own people during his rule.
I didn't mind Hurt Locker so much, and it's true that it wasn't really political, though I don't think it was devoid of politics either. I also couldn't help asking myself over and over again why that sergeant that Jeremy Renner played hadn't been fired yet! I mean, you can get fired from any job for not following safety requirements, surely you'd get discharged from the military for it. And I read an article about soldiers having seen the film who said, yeah, that guy wouldn't have lasted long, that kind of unprofessionalism is not tolerated. So, in a way, it's still portraying the military in a bad light; it makes it seem like they're perfectly okay with adrenaline junkies.
Exactly.
The paramilitary death squads that the MSM told us to refer to as 'insurgents', had a sweet deal for many years during the war.
No matter how many innocent people THEY killed, it was always blamed on 'our presence'.
I was about halfway through this post and thought it was a joke. Another anti-Iraq movie? I was convinced it was a joke when I read about Benicio del Toro making a 2-parter about a Wolfman taking over Transylvania. Wasn't that Che? But no, apparently it's for real. Maybe I'll wake up tomorrow and realize it was all a dream, all along.
No matter how you run the numbers, since that what you seem to want to do, nothing compares to the rate, and volume, the "pinkos" achieved (and are continuing to pile up). The former USSR killed around 50 million of its own people. And, yes, under the Geneva Code, that former government's systematic attempt to eliminate all of the Orthodox was genocide. What the Chinese, the Vietnamese, and the Cubans have done to their own people far outweighs anything done by those eeeeeeevil white Europeans over the centuries. I mean, even the African tin-pot dictators have far surpassed the eeeeeeevil white colonialists in slaughter and abuse.
Evil is evil, it has no racial preferences. And those slaves? Captured and sold into slavery by other Africans. Even more to the point, the West African slave trade wasn't nearly on the same level as the East African slave trade. But those were Muslims, so we really don't talk about that these days. In fact, Swahili is basically a slave trade language that dominates the East Coast that is a mix of various local dialects and Arabic.
And that millions and millions? I think that might be a *teeny* bit of an exaggeration, don't you? Doesn't mean anything about the slave trade was right, but bombast does not a solid argument make.
the sinner,
Patrick
LOL
And if poor GWB had gone into Sudan and each and every other genocidal hellhole that the George Clooney types demand intervention for, a new web of political lies would be spun to explain his "true intentions" for such action. Oh look! You used accusations of racism as a crutch for your argument. I'm shocked. I guess Condi, Powell and Gonzalez are not brown. Funny how that works.
Who's to say a trip to Sudan would not have resulted in the rising of another foreignly funded, staffed and armed ideological insurgency to create another seemingly devious statistic such as the one Paul D quoted?
Guess what? The American Revolution killed more Americans than the entire amount killed by British governance. The French Revolution killed more French than the French monarchy it overthrew.
On the flip side, regime changes in Grenada and a host of other countires (many of which were supported or administered by us) were relatively bloodless.
It ain't an exact science.
I'm not saying us adminstering someone else's regime change is a good thing, but the points you make are very weak. The war may have caused more civilian deaths, but the Republic that replaces Saddam's regime will almost certainly be more stable and clean, radical Islamic fundamentalism has been widely discredited among the population, and the U.S. now posseses the most tested, advanced and effective anti-insurgency program in the world. More people also died in the war with Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany than before, you know….
We're being sarcastic but imagine if they really did make him become a werewolf because of some evil corporation or the military doing experiments.
Since Bill Clinton's gutless cowardly policy of extending sanctions against Iraq for eight years led to the death of 650,000 Iraqi's, Bush's move to end the stalemate therefore saved 590,000 lives.__http://www.activategr.org/news/clinton-protest-06...
Like Economics, Foreigh Policy is beyond the intellectual capacity of the thoughtless factoid spewing leftist.
Sadly, even though we are being sarcastic, it is not just within the realm of possibility, but more in the realm of actual probability.
The good news is, they probably won't make the military the bad guy because then it would be considered a rip-off of Wolverine.
But Halliburton is still up for grabs
I was thinking more of a Michelin roll….
Gosh, you mean women had the right to work and vote ALL OVER THE WORLD? And inherit property? And marry who they want? And in the 21st century, every woman in the world has the same rights as women in the US? And no one else had slaves -never mind 'millions and millions' of them? No Africans sold their own people to us – we just took them? And there were 'millions and millions of natives'? We killed ALL OF THEM? Wow.
US intervention is only bad when a Republican is involved. Notice the lack of outrage from the left over the escalation in Afghanistan.
Hollywood hock-a-loogies like Matt Damon have the mentality of suicide bombers. They have their holy cause (kill America!) and blindly – and eagerly – let go of the dead man switch and launch another stupid, ignorant, effed up piece of dog dung they portray as a movie. When it flops, it's because Americans are stupid, don't you know. Matt Damon is a sickening, spoiled little brat with no experience in life, yet he also has a loud mouth and narcissism of Adolf Hitler.
blue fairies, orange stars, green clovers… he's always after those lucky charms.
we've come along way from gypsy curses that's for sure. At least with Godzilla, it was all France's fault.
I'll take Haliburton for 500.
I didn't pick up on the reference to "Che" right away so thanks for asking because laughing at that foolishness is pure joy. Not that I ever watched a pirated copy of it.
They're casting del Topo as the Wolfman to eliminate the need for a make-up budget!
LOL.. I was.. visiting friends in Grand Forks..
It is rather intriguing that for all the stunts those you mention have pulled, not one is iconic for a moral personal conviction, and yet they try so hard.
one of the reasons I love living by Lake Michigan.
Speaking of his Palin freak out, I wonder that Damon is still making movies. I don't know how he can trust his simpleton bartender wife to raise his children. — I knew then and there he married for convenience of a beard.
Simkatu, you know very well that if President Bush HAD intervened in the Sudan you would still be denouncing him for seeking military glory and Haliburtonesque profits at the expense of the poor Sudanese being "slaughtered" by the forces of U.S. imperialism.
Nice gratuitous Bush-is-a-racist bit there, with the "brown skinned people" reference…
Only no joke. Say hello to the WMDs:
http://www.bizzyblog.com/2009/07/06/lucid-links-0...
Secondly –
WMD – Iraq has a history of using WMD. We found evidence of a WMD program. We found plenty of raw materials to make WMD. We found shells and rockets with evidence of biological and/or chemical agents. What we did not find were STOCKPILES of WMD. We found WMD. We did not find the stockpiles which we expected. As someone already pointed out, those stockpiles may have been moved into Syria or another neighboring country.
I get really tired of people saying, "There was no WMD. Bush lied." They need to look at the facts.
I like Greengrass's work and Damon, Zinnophile that he is, usually does good work. Makes me wonder, though, that the March release has nothing to do with a flop, but merely calibrating the editing of the film based on how the President is doing in the polls – if he's doing well, perhaps an argument would be constructed to show how "much" he supported the effort (yes, nil, I know) whereas if he's doing even more poorly than now, a focus will be on Pres. Bush and how he is obviously the devil himself (yes, I know he's not).
I dunno about everyone else, but I'm ready for a fourth Bourne film from Greengrass starring Damon. I don't care what kind of people they are – I go to the pictures to see the pictures, and this Iraq obsession with ze'Hollywood is terribly boring. Maybe Bourne could infiltrate The Democrat Party – that would be a hoot!
Also, check out the 270 mass graves, courtesy of Sadam:
http://www.bizzyblog.com/2009/07/06/lucid-links-0...
No, because Howard Zinn is a raving Communist and his book is worthless. He hates the United States and has proclaimed that we should abolish Independence Day celebrations because, hey, man, there ain't nothing to celebrate. His "People's History" is history the way a Nazi "People's Court" was an actual court of law.
Can you possibly believe that Zinn is the first historian who ever mentioned dispossessed Indians, black slaves, or women's suffrage? Can you possibly be so ignorant?
Well, I suppose so, since you believe that women were denied the right to vote "for hundreds of years" prior to 1920 — the United States, of course, being less than 150 years old at the time.
The Founding Fathers would be rolling in their graves when they saw the Military Industrial Complex and the unjustified and Unconstitutional wars we are engaged in. They would be sickened to see a ruling elite sending Americans to die for Israel in the Middle East – especially after Israel has stabbed us in the back in so many ways.
Nice! Sorry but this isn't the case… Here's the number for you, 57 million is how much you movies you cited as "making money,' have made combined worldwide. 57 million!!!! The combined costs for these films with overall marketing costs and overhead… 79 million…
THAT'S why they say this genre's a loser.. No money's being made.
Blah blah blah
What's weird is that you babble on as though Saddam was America's best bud right up until the invasion in 2003 — neatly ignoring things like the 1991 Persian Gulf War, sanctions, the Clinton administration's official doctrine of regime change, etc.
The people who ACTUALLY provided Saddam with most of his weapons were the Russians.
there ya go!
Military..industrial…complex….
huh…
I hope the tinfoil you're using in your hat is thick enough…
Went thru there when a Massive Blizzard tore in for a few days in '98. For most of the time we couldn't even walk in step because of the iced pavements and that still didn't stop two people from literally cracking their skulls open from slipping. Sorta traumatic for my pasty butt, but even so the PC within was s terrible shame. We didn't even have the chance to fire a friggin' rifle! Just a stinking plastic Orange joke…
I'm mighty impressed that you'll be even capable of watching this movie since it's to be booted to next year.
Thanks. I just got it and came back to delete my comment, hoping no one saw it. Too late
Del Toro is still going to ruin the Wolfman for me. I loved the old universal horror movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTzyU5MFgM
"As well as the 60,000+ Iraqis who were also liberated -from breathing."
About 40-50 million civilians were killed during WWII.
What's your point?
I expect it'll do "Che'" like box office…zip, nada, NOTHING!
You're right. If you remember, at the beginning of the war, we hit a convoy of Russians heading toward the Syria/Iraq border. It was hushed up pretty quickly, but not long after that a former CIA guy was on TV saying he could give the lat/long of the warehouses in the Bekaa Valley where they were stored.
Like I keep saying (and I think America agrees)-vote with your wallet!
Maybe Universal thinks the way our progressive idiots in office think about Communism: doesn't work, hasn't worked in the past, will most likely not work here because we Americans tend to be individuals not given to a collective, hive mind YET we're going to try it anyway because we know better than the masses and (to paraphrase the opening of "Six Million Dollar Man") "we can build it better! "
For all of you lefties out there wondering about the weapons of mass destruction and the absence thereof: Bush negotiated with the debacle that is the UN for months after 9/11 trying to build a coalition to invade Iraq. FINALLY once the coalition was built, Iraq was invaded. A lot of things can be moved in mere months if you are highly motivated and have enough warning.
I'm sure there have been some that wanted to
Anyone noticed how Matt Damon tries to compensate for his intellectual failures by choosing roles in which he is a brilliant man? (Good Will Hunting, the Bourne movies etc…)
The second post shows I really mean it. ; )
People are still being sold into slavery in Africa to this very day. And what makes our encounter with slavery so much worse than the Roman enslavement of the Greeks? Or the Muslim enslavement of Europeans? Or the British enslavement of the Irish? Or the…well you get the picture.
Thank you, Mr. Gentry, for a beautifully written explanation. Well done, well done.
Which means Damon will be doing porn just like Soderbergh? Oh, that will be sweet payback.
Let's put them in charge of our health care!
They stopped merely "rolling over" in their graves a long time ago. They are now spinning at warp speed.
But it's not true that merely doing these films causes one to get accolades. While they may get slaps on the back at Hollywood parties, none of the performers in these movies, save for Tommy Lee Jones in '"In The Valley of Elah", ever get nominated for Oscars. Nearly all the time they are both critical AND box-office flops.
You're a fool. Hussein came to power through a coup. We didn't help him come to power. We aided him against the Iranians, because he was fighting the iranians. If they could have dragged that war out another 5 years and killed another million of each other that would have been just fine.
Cannot STAND this little buck-toothed moron, Matt Damon! I thought it was hilarious, that when dissing Sarah Palin, he mistakenly referred to Putin as "President" of Russia. Anybody that can take this little tool seriously needs a lobotomy.
At least Damon's pal Ben Affleck has now had the stones to admit that his career went downhill because he took too many jobs for the money rather than for how good the roles were. Maybe Damon needs a similar dose of reality. In his otherwise boring "Inside the Actors Studio" interview, he did admit that his movie career was nearly dead until the "Bourne" movies came along to save it. Probably the same thing needs to happen again.
MATT DAMON MATT DAMON MATT DAMON. MMMMAAATTTTTT DAMMMMMOONNNNN. MATT DAMON.
And much more like that lying, manipulative wimp, Tom Ripley, than Jason Bourne. What a little man.
Thank you, for both your service and this post. I, too, get so tired of the "No WMD" crap. People seem to forget how many times Saddam thumbed his nose at the U.N. inspectors. I am so sorry that we have lost so many lives in Iraq, but Saddam and his sons are gone. THAT is a good thing.
The Halliburton/Cheney "BOOGEYMAN" is the biggest crock in recent history. Halliburton is the best company in the world at what they do, oil field services in a war zone. Very few companies EVEN DO WHAT HALLIBURTON DOES. You can "cut and paste" but certainly can't articulate what a company of world class pros like Halliburton does, just parrot the "New York Times" the least reliable "news source" in America.
Great, a link to the New York Slimes. I'd rather you just linked one of those dopey "Bush Lied" bumper stickers.
I don't say this about many actors, but Damon can't act. The reason that Bourne films are the only roles that Julia Stiles gets, IMO, is that she can't act, either. She doesn't make the lead look bad.
As to the film, a politicized Iraq War film will look even worse after The Hurt Locker.
Maybe you're right, Ricky. The people I talk to here in LA assure me that reported film grosses are bogus, and that many films make healthy profits for the studio and select above-the-line people through DVD sales and rentals and overseas distribution. Another perspective is that some studios can afford to lose some money on these anti-American screeds (I hate the phrase anti-war. Only lunatics are pro-war) because they make so much money on the big-tent blockbusters and animated features that millions of people flock to see.
Good evening BH posters. I seem to recall hearing an interesting definition of insanity. While not remembering the exact wording, I'll paraphrase: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and getting the same result. In Mr. Damons case, it appears to be losing money (again) with a tired anti-millitary, anti-American theme. To which I say, "Keep doing what your doing. When you finally figure out, via red ink and no respect for your work, what little audience you did have will have gone away.
It's like pretending to have a gun, the cops shooting you and then the media says the cops were wrong because you were only PRETENDING to have a gun.
I wonder how Universal would do if they had a head actually interested in producing movies people want to see – and would make money.
I have wondered if the formula from the 1930s would work today – Hollywood cranked out a lot of lower budget movies – forget all the "stars" – jusr well written movies with plots people want.
On the plus side I read today that "Che" was a hit all over Cuba.
I wonder how Universal would do if they had a head actually interested in producing movies people want to see – and would make money.
I have wondered if the formula from the 1930s would work today – Hollywood cranked out a lot of lower budget movies – forget all the "stars" – just well written movies with plots people want.
On the plus side I read today that "Che" was a hit all over Cuba.
They aren't interested in facts, they're spreading the meme and feeding the narrative so people believe it.
This comment is not directed at John. It is directed at those who have left comments regarding "mercenaries" and WMD.
First of all, Operation Iraqi Freedom: Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. I spent three years over there as a civilian and leaving late August for another tour as a civilian. I am one of those frequently mis-identified as a "merc" because people don't have a clue how many civilians it takes to support our military. A mercenary is a person of one nationality who is hired by another country to fight in a war not his own. Hence, US civilians who work for the US government or a company contracted with the US government to support a US war are NOT mercenaries. Someone in the French Foreign Legion is an example of a mercenary. Guys working for Blackwater or Triple Canopy in Iraq and Afghanistan are NOT mercenaries, although the media loves to call them that. They are working for the US government in roles that support a US war.
Saddam wasn't "installed" by the West. He rose through the ranks of the Ba'ath Party as a hit man, a muscle man, with a sharp political mind . He seized power in '79 and immediately deceided to go to war with Iran. To try to maintain political "balance" we, the U.S., armed him to an extent that he wouldn't lose to Iran. He didn't. He went ahead a gassed the Kurds, with U.S. chemicals, but because Iraq is petro chemical giant it just saved him time to buy chemicals instead of making them in Iraq.. Obviously he grew beyond control and attacked all his bordering neighbors and Israel with the exception of Iran, Turkey and Jordan as soon as he could. He was slapped down by the "world community" but remained beligerant, necessitating a second "slap down" and out. You can recast history to suit yourself, it doesn't change the facts.
I quite agree. Hollywood does not seem to understand that in order to sell their product, it has to be a product people want to purchase. In any other business – and in this one, it seems – one cannot profit (did I say a bad word?) if one does not know the consumer.
Another take on the movies of the '30s is that times were tough; people living in a Depression did not need or want to go to the movies to be miserable – they wanted to escape by way of the standard escape genres – comedy, romance, horror, fantasy, music.
Damn, I wish it would have been this year!!!!
who's mat damon?
This movie sounds like an unmitigated disaster. Movies like these are kind of like socialism: every time they are tried they fail. I guess Matt Damon thinks his movie will be the exception..
It won't. I'm sensing the definition of insanity here.
Not to shift the topic, but these are the people who trumpet "Sweeney Todd" in screaming caps as "A WORK OF EXTREME GENIUS" and open the movie with a giant disclaimer exclaiming GRAPHIC BLOODY VIOLENCE.
I'm sorry I polluted my mind with this crap. Not one memorable song. Not one redeeming character. Cannibalism. Burning people alive. The opening scene is about how London (and by extension, the West) is the worst place in the world. The movie starts out bad and ends unspeakably horribly.
This, is art and "extreme genius."
It's in Hollywood's DNA to loathe the very things that make them rich and powerful while promoting the most evil things imaginable.
The most noble thing a man can do is lay down his life for another. Not that anyone cares, but Jesus himself said that.
Our servicemen volunteer themselves to mortal danger and, on our behalf, have either seen their friends die or died themselves, and our extreme geniuses in Hollywood continue to belittle and mock them.
Then they go to Cuba or Venezuela and sing the wonders of totalitarian tyrants. They are sick.
How sad is it that French, Australian and even Chinese films now are the ones with American values on the screen?
Can the collective brains of a major movie studio really be that Stupid(ly).
I can only laugh at the money they wasted and hope the Weinsteins had a piece of that action.
If they really want to make money they should start a movie now on the Obama presidency debacle and the abandonment of Afghanistan campaign.
Paul Greengrass directed "United 93," so Im hoping this one is good.
The same upper level execs overseeing Universal are the ones overseeing NBC, which hasn't altered the direction of its cable news division despite its failure to draw ratings under this format since 2003. Any wonder why they'd be the last to figure out anti-American films on the Iraq war don't play well at the box office?
Why anyone would go see a holly wood movie made to day is beyond me. I paid to see Gran Torino, that was the last movie I have paid to see since An American Carol.
TCM works for me, not todays holly wood antiAmerican klan.
PS, I will not pay to see eastwoods movie with Damon. No go clint.
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Definitely on my list of:
"People who are not that attractive or talented but have somehow snuck into stardom".
He's probably in the top 20 of those people.
Anti-Iraq war films may do badly in the US, but if they make their money back in the global market, then they make more financial sense.
It is somewhat inexplicable why the left keeps rolling out anti-war movies well after it is clear that many of their narratives about the war were wrong or misleading to begin with.
Mr. Nolte was right to point out that the United States military effectively liberated 25 million people in Iraq. This is not to say that Iraq will be permanently stable or peaceful. But the right to self-determination that the Iraqi people now possess is an improvement over the situation under Hussein when men and women were being terrorized and starved by a ruthless dictator.
The same could be said of Afghanistan, where the Taliban repressed a war-ravaged nation with an iron boot on their throats. American troops not only defeated this enemy, which had assisted in the September 11th attacks, they are there now helping to defend and rebuild a country that is at the crossroads of Islamic radicalism.
The left should be willing to admit that the wars in the Middle East have not been about oil, now that several auctions for oil contracts have taken place in Iraq. It is also not about imperialism or neo-imperialism, as Iraq will retain control over its oil supplies. Liberals should bear in mind what imperialism really looks like: Conquering a country and draining its resources; not aiding that country in its return to self-sufficiency and political independence.
America is waiting for a major Hollywood movie that honors the brave men and women who volunteered to be sent overseas to help stem the tide of growing danger to our country, as well as to international peace and stability. America wants to see the human face of our soldiers – the men and women who cradled injured Iraqi civilians, liberated long-suffering political prisoners, and worked with Iraqi security forces to build a future as bright as the Iraqi people desire it to be.
The American invasion of Iraq is not, and never has been, about invading and oppressing a foreign people. The neighboring peoples of Iraq in the Middle East, Lebanon and Iran, know this at their core. That liberals are not able to comprehend this clear fact, which speaks not only to their intuitive animus against the military, but their willingness to dismiss injustice and human rights violations when committed by anyone save a miniscule fraction of our armed forces. Hollywood needs to rethink its overly simplistic position that all war is bad, and acknowledge that brutal, totalitarian regimes can be just as bad or worse.
Matt Damon is just another arrogant liberal douche bag in Hollywood. They are a dime-a-dozen on Santa Monica Blvd.
Paul Greengrass couldn't get the film done in time..his constant reshoots and lazy editing style is the cause for the push..just as well since Matt Damon will most likely be nominated for best actor for his role in The Informant! for Warner bros.
AMEN stafford. Add to that the founding father's warnings about a standing army.
so we attacked the wrong country? I guess we should have attacked Syria (if they had oil)?
More than it should have. If America kept to its own business, which is business, and ended its role as global cop, fewer American lives would have had to be lost. So alot of American GIs gave their life over the year but only a fraction of that was truly necessary for me post a comment here. If you are so concerned about the loss of American GIs perhaps you will stop supporting "Bomb Iran" candidates like John McCain. Fact….We have GIs in over 100 countries worldwide.
frankly, I don't care how many Iraquis were killed. Its none of our business to be there. we should have let the saudis, israel, and others in the area, take him out. It amazes me how so-called "limited government" conservatives want an expansive government when it comes foreign policy. Hypocrites! A limited government in terms of foreign policy will help to ensure freedom at home, because we will preserving a republic instead of creating a one world empire.
frankly, I don't care how many Iraquis were killed. Its none of our business to be there. we should have let the saudis, israel, and others in the area, take him out. It amazes me how so-called "limited government" conservatives want an expansive government when it comes foreign policy. Hypocrites! A limited government in terms of foreign policy will help to ensure freedom at home, because we will preserving a republic instead of creating a one world empire.
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Really? My statement was "How many American lives do you think it cost through the years" and you think I am talking about "Bombing Iran". Try again………..
Should America's soldiers have sat on the sidelines during the Revolutionary War? How about WWII? Should we have left Europe and the Jew's to die?
Again I state Freedom has a cost! If you have an alternative as to how we could have arrived at the freedoms we have today without the loss of a soldiers life please explain it to me.
Talking, as you Liberals like to do, gave us Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong IL etc. If you have a better way explain it.
And try to do it before Israel is a glowing hole in the ground……….We are waiting…………
This is an interesting contrast with "Syriana" which also featured Damon.
In "Syriana," there was a scene where an American diplomat abroad (Damon) was having breakfast with his wife and son.
Kid: I want bacon.
Mom: You have bacon. It's vegetarian bacon.
Kid: I want pig bacon.
Unfortunately, this scene takes place not after Damon is posted to the unnamed Middle Eastern country where much of the film is set … but in Switzerland.
Somehow I think it would have made more sense if the kid had wanted "pig bacon" and been unable to get it in a Muslim country, rather than in Switzerland.
The answers to all your questions as to why a guy like Damon does what he does is, what do you expect from guy who went from being little Matt Damon to bigger Matt Damon the unnatural way: surgically. True.
These bums dont intend to make a profit here in the U.S., but they know this crap will be seen overseas by millions of people and so they continue the bombardment of the "hate America" propaganda to the world. Truly a sinister form of sedition for which there needs to be a judgement. Many of our past presidents would have had these dirtbags up on charges including Lincoln. I won't be turning on any matt damon movies in my house.
Pishaw is a rather lighthearted way to say kiss my white @$$
Maybe so. Assad is an evil SOB too.
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Back when I was drinking sugared sodas, I didn't mind the taste of "new Coke". It wasn't that bad.
The problem was that they replaced the (still) awesome-tasting ORIGINAL Coke.
THEN they made it "Coke Classic" and kept the "new" Coke for awhile…and then after phasing out "new" Coke, they continued to call the original "Coke Classic" for quite awhile afterward.
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Great article, the hollywood left is a pitiful, shrill disgrace. But i must admit, I disagree with the war in Iraq and I think we should get out now so that no more American blood is shed for that part of the world. Let foreign cultures learn to fight their own wars. Hurt Locker is a movie about the war that is quite good. Outside of that, Hollywood is becoming more and more bankrupt in terms of integrity.
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