James Cameron’s ‘Dances with Avatar’
by John NolteIn the video below [click to play], Oscar-winning director James Cameron spills some of the story beats for his long-in-production (four years) “Avatar,” which finally hits theatres this December 18th.
He wrote the script fourteen years ago, before the technology was available to film it, spent nine years developing the cameras, and is now shooting live action in “Stereoscopic 3D.” Cameron’s shown bits of the film to friends and says they describe the experience as completely immersive, a “dream state … dreaming with your eyes wide open.”
Sounds like an amazing experience awaits. The story, however, sounds awfully familiar: Most of the action is set in the 22nd Century in the Alpha Centauri star system on a large Earth-like moon called Pandora … … (sorry, had to let a flash of Nerd Panic pass) … filled with lush rain forests and exotic creatures. A humanoid race, the Na’vi, inhabit the planet. They’re ten feet tall, striped like tigers and sport large tails. They’re also primitive, using bow and arrows to hunt.
Humans can’t breathe Pandora’s air, but genetic engineering has created Avatars who can. These are actual human bodies, replicas that stand in for their counterparts who enter a coma-like state in order to project their consciousness into the Avatar and enjoy life on Pandora — and presumably to strip-mine it, as well.
The protagonist is Jake Scully (Sam Worthington), a paralyzed Marine able to live a normal physical life through the use of his Avatar … and here’s we enter the familiar zone.
According to Cameron, the story tension centers on a conflict between Earth’s “Military Industrial Complex” and the Na’vi, who are peaceful, live happily in the forest “when humans are not trampling their planet,” and ultimately “prove to be wiser than we are.” When provoked, though, they are “ferocious warriors.”
The human drama focuses on Scully, who falls in love with a Na’vi (yuck), becomes a part of her clan and is forced to choose sides as a final battle with the humans becomes inevitable.
If you remember, Kevin Costner was injured, sent out to a strange land inhabited by primitive people, fell in love, joined the clan, chose sides … You get the drill.
The only thing is this … I think “Dances with Wolves” (1990) is a beautiful, epic and majestic film, and I do loves me some James Cameron.
Does his metaphor sound simplistic? Sure. But like no one else making mainstream films today, Cameron’s a master auteur who delivers grand visual spectacle backed by a terrific story. He’s our generation’s greatest filmmaker because he chooses to aspire and sticks with it until he meets those aspirations. He also has the talent.
Whatever genre Cameron chooses (and make no mistake, he is a genre filmmaker), he honors that genre but at the same time sets out to deliver the ultimate film-going experience within it. And for my money, he’s always delivered … and yes, that includes “Titanic,” which, by the second reel, always turns me into a fourteen year-old girl. That’s right, you heard me — I’m not afraid to say it … In “Titanic” Leo is simply dreamy.
“The Terminator” (1984), “Aliens” (1986), “The Abyss” (1989), “Terminator 2″ (1991), “True Lies” (1994), and “Titanic” (1997). No modern filmmaker, not even Spielberg at the height of his powers thirty years ago, can boast that kind of run.
It’s been 12 years since Cameron’s made a narrative film and he’s been sorely, sorely missed. Judging by his track record, “Avatar” won’t be nearly as simple as his explanation of it, so my excitement isn’t diminished in the least. All I know is that in less than 7 months I’ll be seeing “Written and Directed by James Cameron” on the big screen.
Counting. The. Days.







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Avatar sounds not only like DWW. It sounds like every left-wing propaganda movie ever made.
To me Cameron is an abysmal overrated hack whose movies are simplistic, overwrought and manipulative. The year Titanic (ugh) won Best Picture was the year I stopped respecting the Academy. It insulted the memory of real victims of the disaster while creating two obnoxious fictional characters with whom we were supposed to identify. The only "tragedy" in the film was that only one of them drowns.
You have more faith in Cameron than me.
I can see it now, most if not all the humans will be white males, probably Christians of some sort. The Na'vi although primitive, will for some reason not be suffering from the problems that primitive civilizations have, that is until the "avatars" show up and bring disease with them, up until that point the Na'vi will have never been sick. Because they are primitive it will automatcially make them noble, good and smarter than the evil white humans.
Some more speculation, then will be an evil Na'vi who because of grand promises made to him by the evil humans will atttempt to manipulate his people into working with us. Or better yet, an innocent Na'vi who the evil humans get to unknowingly betray his people.
I've no doubt the film will look great, to bad Cameron's morphed into a sickening combo of Al Gore and George Lucas.
At least in Dances with Wolves not all the natives were Magical Negroes (although the tribe Costner's character fell in with pretty much were).
while respecting Mr Nolte's take on James Cameron we're not quite as smitten… of the aforementioned work only 'Terminator' stands out as a particularly significant film. 'Tiatanic' was a huge commercial success but a stunningly mediocre film, as was 'Abyss'. The others were sequels or in the case of 'True Lies' a hugely overrated melange of comedy, farce and predictable action.
Mr Cameron is also an ardent feminist and commited left winger; so the fact that 'Avatar' would be construed as anti-military (Michael Biehn in Abyss, anyone?) or secular progressive is NO surprise here.
Personally, I stopped respecting the Oscars when Michael Moron won the award for Bowling for Columbine.
About Avatar, I get SOOOO tired of seeing mining companies getting trashed while stone-age peoples portrayed as noble, and "green."
I don't think I want to see it.
This also sounds uncannily like the plot to "Battle of Terra" which came out and sank like a rock a little while ago. Maybe someone noticed the plot similarities between that film and "Avatar" and took steps to make sure "Terra" went on to an early demise before it could enter the collective consciousness… is it me, or is it a conspiracy?
Ugh. Sounds like a left-leaning Scientologist film.
I'll disagree with you on "True LIes", d… to me, it was a 'solid spoof' of a lot of action/spy movies at the time…. Sam Rockwell's character was truly an underappreciated gem on that movie.
The Cameron movie that always disappointed me was "The Abyss"… Everything about the movie leadup, and the cast, (the first 50 minutes or so), had me looking forward to the grand finale.. and then.. "Thud".. Nothing, no payoff, to me, it just left me with "That's it? That's everything we've built up to?".
I loved Terminator and T2, absolute classics. Aliens was above average. The rest of his films…..meh……
This sounds like it's going to be a visually stunning movie, but can that overcome an overt left-wing message? I probably won't go see this. It's just boring being the bad guys all the time. Now we're going to other planets to be the bad guys again??….c'mon…..you gotta come up with something new for chrissakes…..
LOL, this looks even worse than I thought:
http://chud.com/articles/articles/19704/1/JAMES-C...
Tiyanic was one of the hokest melodramas ever put on film…nowhere near as well written or as well acted as "A Night to Remember." You have to morph into a 14 year old girl to love that film. IMHO, Cameron should be a second unit action director and never be allowed near a story.
an overt left-wing message?
Until I see a reviewer that I trust (aka, John) actually get his hands on the final version .. until I know this message isn't in there, I ain't seeing this one at all…
'True Lies' is not a bad film; it just isn't that good… when his daughter is crawling around the wing of a Harrier the film lost if for us… despite it's moments it was ultimately a silly exercise. Much like 'Last Action Hero' you have to take yourself seriously even if you want the audience to laugh. The wink wink nod nod stuff ruins the 'suspension of disbelief'.
We know our take is a minority view; Cameron's stuff is wildly popular. Doesn't make it great… and the last reel of 'The Abyss' is flat out awful- a Chris Elliot dramatic reaction shot? What was he thinking?
we agree with your take. Those are his three watchable films, although we never quite got the love of 'Aliens'; nowhere near as good as the Scott original it was a decent, sometimes inspired sequel, as was T2, which was better but not much… his career is highly overrated artistically but you cannot argue his commercial success…
Don't hold your breath bro, from everything I've read about this movie we're the uber-bad guys picking on innocent aliens.
I'd love to see this, but I'm sick of all the self-loathing you have to put yourself through with this kind of story. Someone mentioned it above, but I'm curious to see if the bad guys (us) are all white males…..
"the Na’vi, who are peaceful, live happily in the forest “when humans are not trampling their planet,” and ultimately “prove to be wiser than we are.” When provoked, though, they are “ferocious warriors.”
You mean like the Aztecs, Mayans, Anasazi or any number of "peaceful" tribes that would ritually cannibalise other tribes or their own people? Or is that more of us imposing our values on other cultures?
I agree that until I know there isn't an overt leftwing message, I'll be avoiding this one. They can keep making movies where I'm the villain, but I don't have to pay them for the privilege.
Oh yes, he's very bankable. I'm just bored with being beaten over the head with the guilt stick when I've nothing to feel guilty about.
I'm sure Cameron thoroughly sanitized his aliens to be as pure as the driven snow.
And that's what happened to Battle for Terra, I imagine. It's just boring and lazy to keep retelling this story.
I agree, until someone I trust who's seen it tells me I won't be bludgeoned with self-hate I'll keep my cash.
"…spent nine years developing the cameras…" Seems like Mr Cameron is doing a technology "proof of concept" film vis-a-vis George Lucas. I think his movies are enjoyable stories for mass consumption. As John described it, I fear Cameron is going to preach. I guess that's what happens when some directors age and get conscious. And, I agree, it does seem fairly similar to "Battle for Terra".
And all along, I thought this was a movie about the little pictures that grace our id's. He really follows a formula that has reaped fortunes. Titanic – stunning, but the love triangle schlep would have been more interesting if he followed the romance of the icebergs. The abyss gave me claustrophobia, and the ending was lame. I enjoyed true lies and the T movies. While you can't deny his success, the formula wears thin.
we agree- a good second unit guy…
Dances With Wolves meets the Matrix? I'll wait for Avatar on DVD.
I liked True Lies, Arnold kicking the crapola out of terrorists never gets old. But I don't remember Sam Rockwell in it, what role did he have??
The Abyss struck me as a movie that no one had a clue how to end properly so they went for the over the top ending and it was flat.
My only complaint about Titanic (looking back on it twelve years later) is that Cameron should've brought in another writer for one more draft. I think he's a good screenwriter (Terminator and Aliens being very good examples of classic story construction) but it's not his strength. In the T2 laserdisc supplement, he refers to writing as his "old bete noir." But it certainly has spectacle.
I've always been a big fan of The Abyss. I wonder if everyone here is familiar with the Special Edition version which beefs up the ending a bit. And True Lies is just fun. I haven't seen it in years – at this point, I'm waiting for the Blu-Ray but it won't be out anytime soon, not until Cameron has time to participate, supervise the transfer, etc.
I wouldn't quite call him a feminist. And as far as his politics, I don't know if it's that black and white. On the Aliens DVD commentary, he talks about working with Sigourney Weaver who is (was?) very anti-gun. He explains how he had to convince her and that she'd be trained and so on and so forth and by the time all was said and done, she was kind of enjoying it. "Another liberal bites the dust," he says on the commentary. On the other hand, regarding the Weyland-Yutani corporation, he says at the time he didn't really know how big corporations worked but in the subsequent years, he feels he was right on the money. (I'm paraphrasing from memory.)
beh.. i meant Bill Paxton… (was reading another article elsewhere with Rockwell in the article.. never read and post two articles at the same time
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I admire John's ability to set aside his distaste for a tired leftist plot and yearn for greatness in Cameron's new film.
My own ability to find enjoyment in this leftist trash is not as high as his. I'll skip it.
Nothing is ever new anymore. Reminds me of the short story "Call Me Joe" by Poul Anderson
I agree that Cameron is a genius, but the plot sounds very contrived and been there done that. I love Cameron's work but I have a hard time believeing that Avatar will show me special effects that I have not seen before. Also, Cameron's work at its because was great because his stories were great. The FX were just icing on the cake.
This sounds reads like it is a comment on the War in Iraq with the Military being Bush and the peace loving Na'vi being the citizens of Iraq who can fight when called upon. I hope I am wrong…but that is the vibe I get. Remember, he would have been developing this during the Bush years.
I will see it…but I am no more looking forward to it than I am any other flick.
he calls himself a feminist, as does Ridley Scott. The issue hurt 'T2', we think, because it made Linda Hamilton's Sarah Connor unappealing… he is a Canuck and their liberalism is always of a slightly different stripe- like Wisconsin folk- rugged individualists who want the government to pay for everything but leave them alone… big Obama supporter.
The special edition of 'The Abyss' was better but not much. The surfacing of the craft with the toy boats and Chris Elliot's reaction was a singularly bad piece of filmmaking. 'Titanic' is monumentously stupid.
The last 30 minutes in the tank in Mexico looks like a tank in Mexico. 5-8 minutes in 33 degree water and you can't move, 30 minutes and you slip into a coma.
You don't get romantic…
Wow. Lotsa typos in that last post of mine. Sorry.
Wait a second. It's the future. We have the ability it travel through space to distant planets, we can create "avatars"… yet we are still strip-mining? What the hell?!!!
But I agree with John, I'll suspend my belief and enjoy this movie I'm sure. Here's to hoping we don't see these tiger creatures fighting the pedators and aliens in five to ten years!
LOL!!
I agree, he was the perfect sleazy used car salesman.
Maybe we'll wind up surprised yet, but the early stuff doesn't sound good. I agree that I just don't enjoy seeing myself as the bad guy. It seems far-fetched that if we have the technology to go to Alpha-Centauri, create hybrid avatars, control by remote technology and transplanted consciousness, and mine other worlds, then somewhere along the way we would have had to also develop the means to things like, I dunno, mine dead planatoids, mine asteroids, mine planets like Pandora without using strip-mining techniques … You know stuff like that. I wonder if the story explains why we're "raping and pillaging" Pandora's natural environment when there are clearly intelligent beings and unique eco-system there, or if it just expects us to accept that we'd do that without question?
You can tell which of the commentors are not in the industry. No one who has ever worked in film would call Cameron a hack.
Sopunds like Avatar may start its own religion…
Wasn't it Bill Paxton in True Lies? Though after you said Rockwell, I could perfectly imagine him in that role.
God forbid a piece of narrative shouldn't line up PRECISELY with your worldview, right?
"Don't hold your breath bro, from everything I've read about this movie we're the uber-bad guys picking on innocent aliens. "
In all fairness, in most invasion movies, it's the aliens picking on us.
What I would like to see are movies and TV shows about well-meaning humans (liberals) who make life WORSE for self-reliant aliens who want to left alone (conservatives). That would be a really daring twist on the "humans invade aliens" plot.
Is it just me, or is James Cameron going to Tom Wolfe's hair stylist?
Probably the only ones that would fall under that category Fred would be some old Twilight Zone episodes… (or so I'd guess).
I believe the grandmother of this particular plot is The Word for World is Forest , by Ursula Le Guin. This is not Le Guin's most subtle book, but it would still be better than the plot line you describe in your post.
Primitivism is a laughable philosophy. Weren't the hunter-gatherers the ones who wiped out all the mammoths and saber-tooth tigers?
I'm with you Mr Nolte. I read script that leaked out years ago and I thought it would make an awesome movie. I've been looking forward to it since then. NO ONE has the vision of Cameron and the ability to pull it off.
Of course he is a knee-jerk lefty whose films almost always have some embarassingly stupid moments when he just HAS to beat the audience over the head with his views. Like T2. One of the most violent movies ever when it was released, but Jim had to include a lame anti-violence message. Talk about hypocracy. This led to unintentional comedy moments like when young John Connor lectures Arnold about killing people so Arnie shoots a security guard in the knee and says "He'll live". Or at the end of the movie when the building is surrounded by cops and Arnie is shooting them all with a minigun…in the knees.
Still, the lame lefty stuff will be more than worth it. Get your tickets now!
Cameron is a hugely talented director. If you think he´s a hack, I have to ask "Compared to whom?". The list of directors who have given us sights we had never seen before is pretty short. And his politics, whatever they are, have so far not ruined his movies for me.
Avatar, however, sounds like it should be named The Earth Liberation Front Movie. It will be visually awesome and contain jawdropping sequences and will attract huge audiences. But I cannot say that it sets my heart pounding with anticipation. It reminds me of the trendy eco-dystopian science fiction I read as a teenager. All of which turned out to be bogus.
Quit being stupid, I'm just saying that the same story told a bazillion ways gets boring, kinda like your every post…..
If Avatar follows the scriptment that floated on the net about ten years ago, Ursula K. LeGuin will be able to sue Cameron just like Harlan Ellison did over Terminator. It follows the general outlines of her novella "The Word for World is Forest," even down to having the Na'vi (Navajo?) word for "world" being "forest." It adds only the big action scenes that Cameron is justly famous for.
I haven't been able to find the scriptment itself anywhere (yet), and my copy is unfortunately a hardcopy and not in a format I could post, but there's a good summary at
http://jamescameron.blogspot.com/2007/02/avatar-s...
That came out all ready? Wasn't supposed to be 3D? oh well… it looked very similar to other movies, but I thought the 3D flights and dog fights would be enjoyable.
"In all fairness, in most invasion movies, it's the aliens picking on us."
They're even rewriting those now. Have you seen the remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still?
I have a feeling Cameron might've lifted an idea from Elwrong Blowhard, the Flounder of $cientology, for this idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_(Scientolog...
That would be the first time it wasn't Elwrong stealing an idea from someone else, but the reverse.
There's something continually tragic about Cameron to me but I've heard the visuals are amazing.
I was actually thinking it sounded a lot like H. Beam Piper's "Little Fuzzy" novels. (much better than the silly title) In them, the futuristic Earth Federation encounters the cute-as-a-button-but-primitive aliens and the conflict is if they're sapient–otherwise Earth will, well, strip mine their planet. It's more a debate about what makes a species an evolved one to consider a race/people, not just animals to be exploited. I thought it was pretty deep back in junior high. Humanity isn't purely the evil interloper–there are good and bad humans, from the hardworking miner who discovers them to scientist types genuinely excited to find a new sentient species. I also recall there were Marines (still around in the future, and just as cool!) featured. There were a couple of follow ups, and the series was continued by a few other authors.
Somewhat unrelated – new movie coming out starring Bruce Willis that has a similar concept ie "avatars":
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0986263/
Probably thinking of Bill Paxton's character, Sam Rockwell wasn't in that movie.
Nine years in development. Story of rapacious military-industrial complex vs. noble peaceful natives. Described as a "dream state." No, this doesn't sound at all like the retarded love-child of a vainglorious Hollywood auteur. Can't wait.
This is kind of unrelated, but I would love to see a movie that would portray the Romans as good guys, and the barbarians (be they Celts, Gauls, Huns, Goths, or whatever) as evil.
I mean come on! If I had to base my education on the ancient world by what I have seen Hollywood put out, you would think that the Romans impaled babies and engaged with carnal acts with animals all the time, and that the Huns were really a spiritual, wise, virtuous people who had a love for vegetarianism, religious tolerance, and the environment. Sheesh.
heh heh, I love how all those libartards embraced those civilizations you mentioned and forgot to mention how they disappeared. At least one fell apart due to their use of SALT water to "refresh" the farmlands. They literally Salted the grounds around them and the cities that where at the center fell apart since the food became more difficult to ship back before spoiling!
Totally agree. And how much you wanna bet somewhere in "Terra's" development period it was called "War on Terra"? Get it? Ah libs are so clever.
http://www.therexreport.com
I love ya, Hank, but Aliens was a masterpiece. If you watch the true versions of both that and The Abyss, those are great, great films (Aliens moreso than Abyss). True Lies was a fun ride, too.
Come to think of it, Avatar is rehashing one of the themes of Abyss here, with the noble aliens having to prevent barbarous mankind from destroying itself with its shiny boom-boom bombs.
At any rate, I'll see this, but with tongue firmly in cheek for its liberal message.
"Now we're going to other planets to be the bad guys again??"
– LOL. Yes, because in the liberal mindset, there are no real-life enemies. No terrorists, no terrorism, there are no wars worth fighting. We must be to blame (and by WE, I don't mean humans, I mean white Americans). And because of that, only we can save the planet, too — mankind's power superceding any thought of the divine, of course — which is why Godless liberalism's true religion is Global Warming fanaticism.
http://www.therexreport.com
Cameron obviously has some skill behind a camera, but in no way will I EVER get excited because his name is on the marquee.
Terminator is, to me, the only classic on that list. Its sequel — while well-crafted — is basically a remake with some thematic twists, and Aliens is HIGHLY overrated in my opinion.
And how can it be a "run" with The Abyss in the middle?
True Lies is fun to watch only when the Islamists are getting beat around, and Titanic was complete over-bloated torture — again, well-crafted torture, nonetheless.
If I get excited about a director, its Michael Mann, Christopher Nolan, or Mel Gibson. Heck, I even get real giddy when a new Michael Bay pic hits theaters.
And I'm glad others here have made light of Cameron's propensity to take others' material. Until he creates his own mythos, he's simply a talented director who's swimming in George Lucas and Steven Spielberg's wake.
Gotta see Cameron's Abyss edit. Studio cut out 24 minutes of footage, including the actual ending, which didn't suck.
http://www.therexreport.com
Battle for Tyria(?) was decent, but started stupid.. got interesting in the middle and went right down the drain at the end. Humans caged into -A- little football sized dome and they're happy about that?
That amazing battle at the end between the humans and 'naives'… HA!… I got one thing to suggest to those humans with SPACE TRAVELING capabilities…
ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT!
O-R-B-I-T-A-L B-O-M-B-A-R-D-M-E-N-T
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know my Science Fiction as did the tv show BABYLON 5, of which one civilization destroyed another thru the use of mass drivers of rocks the size of mansions. Of which upon impact produced Nuclear size destruction without all that nasty radiation stuff -by the way, actual mass is more devastating then simple energy releases- so to the fictional morons in power in this movie. Get the damn hint and employ:
ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT
With a trained and motivated force equipped with the latest of technology against a overwhelming force will always produce a satisfying result for the former. Even though we "lost" in Somalia and State run press lamented the loss of our men at around 19 but then failed to mentioned about the enemies sides loss of over a THOUSAND+. ONE THOUSAND killed and that was a estimation on the Somalian side. I read from Bowden who mentioned SEVENTEEN HUNDRED (1700) kills, but the agreed one thousand still stands as the perfect example about if the Humans went to war against poorly equipment indigenous. The indigenous would be EXTERMINATED if future technology and ORBITAL BOMBARDMENTS is used.
By the way, if this Jake Scully "marine" goes native and fights with the natives. What's to stop the technicians manning his REAL body from pulling the plug on the dude, and rolling him out the door and into prison as a traitor?
Dances with Wolves is clunky, dumb, overlong, illogical and indulgent. Beautiful and majestic it is not.
The amazing battle mentioned by Mr. Cameron is what I'm writing about in the second paragraph and not the 'Battle~' movie.
Our generation's greatest filmaker? Hmm…T2 was a great film, I'd say its been downhill after that. Perhaps our generations are different. Try Memento's Nolan or Eastern Promises' Cronenberg for great directing.
Call me when a director/producer/writer will have the grapes to take on the ecological industrial complex.
Oh I thoroughly enjoyed Aliens, masterpiece may be stretching it a little but whatever floats your boat!
The Abyss though….It was visually very appealing. I thought most of the acting was above average. And the story had great potential. But the movie itself just felt like they were writing it as they were shooting and when it came time to wrap things up they hadn't a clue. I will confess that I linger on whatever channel it's on……but not for long……
I'll wait for an honest review of Avatar, and if it's ok, AND if I can convince my girlfriend to see it I'll go.
Your last paragraph was spot on bro. It pretty much sums up the lousy remake of The Day the Earh Stood Still.
Where do you get the idea that Cameron is "an ardent feminist and commited left winger"? I'm sure his ex-wives would have a few reactions to the first part of that comment. True, his movies have very strong female charcters. Perhaps "feminist" has become a loaded word due to the ravings of such cranks as Andrea Dwokrin (sp?). So, if you mean those extreme ideas, I don't see that at all.
As to the second part of the comment, while I highly doubt Cameron is a conservative, more than a few times in his commentary tracks he's tweaked liberals, particulalry for their pacifist leanings and anti-military attitude.
At one point, I think it's in the commentary for the 2nd expanded, special edition DVD of "Aliens," Cameron mentions his brother, who is a Marine that served in the first Gulf War. I may have the movie wrong. But, I know he discusses it and holds the military in pretty high reverance.
As I said, this doesn't make him a conservative, and based upon the description of "Avatar," he may hold some of the stereotypical bad ideas of the "green" world. Still, compared to most of Hollywood, ideologically he seems pretty sane.
Ah, The noble savage. The Mandans who enslaved the paiutes. The Mayans and Aztecs who fed the sun with a constant diet of human hearts. The incas who buried children alive to placate the mountain gods. The Inuit who left the elderly to die of exposure. The list goes on.
I can only hope when he admitted Titanic turned him into a 14 year old girl, the author's tongue was cemented unyieldingly in his cheek. If not, I'm slightly disturbed…
Cameron can brilliantly capture the ambiance of an era. The visuals in Titanic were spectacular. However, the storyline was typical rich girl-poor boy boilerplate that would not have passed muster on the Lifetime Channel.
Eh, forgive the snark, but I think I'll wait for the other 'Avatar' movie that's in the works. It'll bobably have less preaching. And will definately have more kung-fu…
Titanic is one of the worst films ever made – all style and no substance – and Leonardo DiCaprio is certainly not "dreamy."
Oy. Cameron's films are occasionally entertaining (Aliens, T2, True Lies), but Titanic was a disaster of a movie, full of melodramatic characters that were completely unsympathetic. Dances With Wolves was long, drawn out, manipulative and silly. He has never made a "good" movie.
Cameron is typical of so many filmmakers these days, all vision and no content. Sure, Titanic may look pretty, but the story is ridiculous. Many people are willing to look beyond that and enjoy the pretty pictures, but I prefer movies that actually try to grapple with their message rather than simply spoon feed crap.
Hollywood is far too enamored with its standard political tropes (evil corporations, dastardly white men, innocent natives, PTSD-suffering soldiers, etc.). Which is why most of the movies we get are crap. Even the passable movies rely on worn metaphors. Creativity has mostly dried up out there, at least among the top movie makers. That includes Spielberg and just about everyone else. None are willing to take narrative risks that might actually allow people to think for themselves. It's been a very long time since Hollywood put out anything that wasn't tied to the rails of liberal political correctness.
Oy. Cameron's films are occasionally entertaining (Aliens, T2, True Lies), but Titanic was a disaster of a movie, full of melodramatic characters that were completely unsympathetic. Dances With Wolves was long, drawn out, manipulative and silly. He has never made a "good" movie.
Cameron is typical of so many filmmakers these days, all vision and no content. Sure, Titanic may look pretty, but the story is ridiculous. Many people are willing to look beyond that and enjoy the pretty pictures, but I prefer movies that actually try to grapple with their message rather than simply spoon feed crap.
Hollywood is far too enamored with its standard political tropes (evil corporations, dastardly white men, innocent natives, PTSD-suffering soldiers, etc.). Which is why most of the movies we get are crap. Even the passable movies rely on worn metaphors. Creativity has mostly dried up out there, at least among the top movie makers. That includes Spielberg and just about everyone else. None are willing to take narrative risks that might actually allow people to think for themselves. It's been a very long time since Hollywood put out anything that wasn't tied to the rails of liberal political correctness.
Ah "Titanic." I remember friends badgering me to go see it.
Friends: You have GOT to see this movie!!!!
Me: Why? I know how it ends.
Friends: What do you mean?
Me: The ship sinks.
Then when it came out on dvd, the same friends insisted I borrow theirs and watch it, so to keep the peace, I did. Took it home, watched the first fifteen minutes, fast-forwarded to the end and sure enough, I was indeed correct. The ship sank. Chances are I'll give this one a pass as well.
I haven't read The Word for World is Forest, but if it's unsubtle for Le Guin then that's saying something. This is a woman for whom making characters non-white is the ne plus ultra of social commentary. http://slate.com/id/2111107/
I'm so sick of these no brainer stories. This is why no one goes to movies anymore.
Cameron did his best work with Gale Ann Hurd. Cameron without Hurd is like Lennon without McCartney: Still a genius, but a woefully incomplete one.
For a leading man, he looked liked he hadn't even started shaving yet.
The main problem with Titanic was the anachronism of modern political correctness. The rich evil capitalists vs. the sainted poor.
Uh, "Dances with Wolves"…
It lost me when Costener said a line like "yes, it was good that you killed the white men" near the end of the film ….
I agree. There was a reason we all called him "androgynous waif-boy."
Cameron's friends say it put them in a "dream like state". Sounds like a retro 60s LSD psychedlic experience. However, watching most of the crap coming out of Hollywood I'd swap "dream like" for nightmare-like state. Lousy stories with illiterate scripts, third rate "actors" with the charisma of wire coat hangers, predictable hobby horse plots and junky like dependence on special effects has made me cut down on my "movie going experience" and I don't miss it one iota.
It also sounds an awful lot like Return of the Jedi. Primitive, furry but fierce animal people battling superior technology: can you say "Ewoks vs the Empire"? Pass….
What exactly has Cameron ever shown us that we haven't seen before?
He did a sequel (Aliens), a couple of Schwarzenegger action films, an inferior version of "A Night to Remember" (Titanic), and The Abyss which was basically an underwater version of "Close Encounters ". Am I missing anything?
DWW is utter unadulterated antiAmerican crap and you liked it??!!?I hate that movie with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns.
I for one will never understand the cited negative feelings to TITANIC. Sure, the love story was somewhat shallow and trite. But SO WHAT! Don't you conservatives out there recognize a conservative movie when you see one, a movie that Louie Mayer would weep crocodile tears over. While it has many conservative strengths, not the least of which is a decided lack of irony, the ending is the real key. When the ship's ghosts welcome Rose at the ending, we witness the ultimate cinematic element of reconciliation, a conservative narrative staple in the classic age, but sorely lacking post-classic. And John, your're right. Leo was a dreamboat in this one. He probably doen't know it, but after the rest of his output turns to dust, this will be his claim to fame.
As long as this isn't another thinly-veiled piece of environmentalist propaganda, I look forward to seeing it.
I agree except I would include 'Aliens' as a significant film. Other than T2, I've found most of his other films to be blah and T2 has some serious weaknesses that diminish it. Most of the problem is that since 'Aliens', his movies feel overstuffed.
If I remember correctly, I saw 'Speed' ahead of 'True Lies' at a drive-in. Needless to say, they should have reversed the viewing order.
Why are they always peaceful before we arrive? Not even "Dancing With Wolves" made the Native Americans entirely peaceful yet every time we invade an alien race it seems like they were like the ewoks until we come along. Then again Cameron might have the maturity to create a species with a far richer culture than in other movies. I'm hoping for something more like "Princess Mononoke" where everyone had their reasons for doing what they were doing, even the perceived villain who was really quite caring. If you haven't seen it go check it out.
"According to Cameron, the story tension centers on a conflict between Earth’s “Military Industrial Complex” and the Na’vi, who are peaceful, live happily in the forest “when humans are not trampling their planet,” and ultimately “prove to be wiser than we are.” When provoked, though, they are “ferocious warriors.”
That's all I need to know. I will NEVER watch this film. I respect Cameron, but I will not swallow any more of this sort of Hollywood/liberal bile.
it''s his own words. And the abuse, both physical and mental he heaped on Ms Hamilton is also well documented. As we said earlier, he is a Canadian and their liberalism is of a different nature than us lower 48's. He is an Obama supporter and was highly critical of Bush. His portrayals of key miltary figures tend to be cartoonish ('Aliens') or deranged ('The Abyss').
We don't know about his brother,if that's the case than good for him. Still, we were simply quoting the man…
Every since cameroon dug up the "actual" bones of Christ, my "faith" in the man was raped and buried in some undisclosed lot somewhere in hollyweird land…
Also, Earth's "Military Industrial Complex" would FLATTEN the natives with superior technology and ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT…
Did I mention that before?
"Every since cameroon dug up the "actual" bones of Christ, my "faith" in the man was raped and buried"
If I'd had any respect for him to begin with I'd have lost it then too. His partner in that bit of insanity was a well-known fruitcake with no archaeological credentials, whose increasingly nutty claims had been repeatedly debunked by real experts.
They're both twerps. I have no use for either one of them.
Re: his brother, Cameron's DVD producer mentioned him in a post on the Home Theater Forum in response to a question regarding the portrayal of the military in The Abyss:
Van Ling 3/1/09: "Michael, I'm sure you know Jim Cameron has the utmost respect for the Military… one of his brothers was in the first Gulf War even as we were shooting T2."
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3517316-post4...
As for Linda Hamilton, I can't say I'm familiar with all the dirt (and I'd rather not be) but didn't Linda Hamilton also suffer from major bipolar disorder? I'm not defending Cameron's actions, only that there might be another side to that story.
Dude, Titanic was a swarming pile of suck!!
I pity you, I bet this film will be good.
I was speaking about technology and pure filmmaking. Not heart or mind.
In terms of effects he has definitely pushed the envelope. Also when it comes to pure energy. Doing a movie like The Abyss must have been incredibly demanding. Very few directors are able to engineer these long sustained action sequences that keep you riveted for 20 minutes. Too many directors can´t edit, they bludgeon you with noise and shaky cameras until you get numb. Cameron builds up, slows down, has little moments of quiet and that way he can give us one climax after the other (no pun intended) … But note that I am using the word "engineer". That´s what he is, essentially. But an utterly brilliant one.
There was also a novel by Alan Dean Foster called Midworld that is set on a semi-sentient jungle world and deals with noble natives and insensitive high tech intruders who naturally deserve to die!
Exactly. Any civilization that has intersteller exploration must have incredible energy sources. Once you have abundant energy, you do not need to rape and pillage anything. Even today, rich countries are doing it less and less.
The worst time for our environment was the past. In Europe, forests have recovered only after industrialization. If they weren´t turned into fields, forests were exploited for everything else – building materials, fire, light, fertilizer. Steam and coal and electricity saved them. Barely a hundred years later we have cleaned up the rivers and the air to a degree unimaginable for millennia. I mean, you try to live and breathe in a hut lit and heated with open fire. And drink from a well that is right next to the pig pen.
I wonder if anyone gets diarrhea on Pandora?
Frankly, those Na´vi sound like big Ewoks to me.
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