Review: Terminator Salvation
by John NolteAs we enter the fourth week of this summer season, I don’t know about you, but after a pleasant surprise with the unpretentious, proud to be a B-revenger “Wolverine,” each new release has gotten progressively worse. Let’s just hope – because there’s a lot of summer ahead of us – that we’ve bottomed out with “Terminator Salvation.”
What a crushing and noisy disappointment this is. For whatever reason, Director McG’s fourth chapter in the “Terminator” franchise tosses aside the simple but successful plot template that made its predecessors so memorable and goes all “Bourne” with a hyper-complicated plot, narcissistic “hero” and a big fat wide blur between the concept of good battling evil. Yes, welcome to Hollywood’s post-Bush “Terminator,” where a militaristic Resistance demands we “Stay the course,” Terminators work through their feelings, and John Connor runs off to find himself only to end up in a numbingly dull third act that plays like a direct-to-DVD toss off.
Things open on an intriguing and hopeful note. The year is 2003 and Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington) is a guilt-ridden death row inmate not far from execution. Dr. Serena Krogen (Helena Bonham Carter, who’s always interesting), approaches Wright for what we assume is the umpteenth time to convince him to donate his body to science. His coming to terms with his own death mixed with her losing battle with cancer sparks his humanity and he relents. The State gives him what he deserves and we cut to 2018.
The world as we knew it is now ravaged by a war the machines wage against mankind. Cities are reduced to rubble and those who survive are reduced to prey, living underground or constantly on the run. Some have organized into what’s called the Resistance and their spiritual leader is John Connor (Christian Bale).
Connor has married Kate (Bryce Dallas Howard in a role originated by Claire Danes in the third installment) and carries the burden of both his command and the myth built around him by others and in his own mind thanks to his mother, Sarah Conner. His mission is simple: to create his own fate which starts with making sure he’s born in the first place. This means he has to find the teenage Kyle Reese (Anton Yelchin in a role originated by Michael Biehn) and send him back in time to impregnate his mother.
***PLOT SPOILERS COMING***
The Resistance is bigger than Connor, though, and General Ashdale (the awe. some. Michael Ironside) has come across an electronic device that, if launched with strategic world-wide coordination, will bring the machines down once and forever. This practical solution conflicts with Connor’s belief in a bigger fate, especially regarding Kyle Reese. The arrival of Wright, an escapee from Skynet whose last memory is of being on death row 15 years earlier, only complicates things further.
Overall, the first forty-minutes pretty much mange to live up to expectations. There are two truly spectacular action scenes, both good enough to hang with the best of the franchise. But these two set pieces do not build up enough goodwill to get you through the rest of the picture which gets progressively choppy, tedious and disconnected.
There’s a major turning point where Connor decides to split with the Resistance in order to break into Skynet and save Reese. This is where the narrative collapses entirely. The last hour or so plays like a film edited over and over and over in the hopes of creating something from a ton of footage containing plenty of action but no compelling story to hold it together. The final result is a scattered, confusing, completely un-engaging climax disconnected from anything other than its own stunts and special effects.
You will also marvel at just how easy it is for one man to break into Skynet. What could have been an imaginative and exciting sequence with our hero making his way into what should be the most secure facility ever conceived, ends up being a major letdown like something out of a “Remington Steele” episode. What follows is somehow worse.
Another narrative mistake is that we’re never told whose movie we’re watching. Is this the story of John Connor or Marcus Wright? There are large portions of time where Connor is either completely out of the picture or relegated to a supporting role. The focus keeps switching back and forth until it reaches the critical point of being no one’s movie.
Another downer is the relentlessly oppressive cinematography. At first it works, but as the narrative implodes the washed out, barrenness of it all begins to feel self-conscious. The same can be said for Danny Elfman’s score and the furious sound design, which constantly intrude as they try to make up for the lack of human drama.
Bale’s performance is surprisingly one-note, and that one note is dour. Worthington comes off best as the tortured survivor trying to unravel his past, but Bryce Dallas Howard is completely wasted in a nothing role. My guess is that the script offered her a couple juicy scenes that ended up being cut. Her role is so pointless the fact that she’s well along in a pregnancy isn’t even discussed — which is terrible storytelling — like showing the audience a gun’s hidden in a drawer but never coming back to it.
I’m a huge fans of all the “Terminator” films, the third being one of the most pleasant surprises of 2003, and there’s no reason the mythology and world created by James Cameron had to run out of gas. But here it does, and the reason is simple: McG isn’t a director, he’s a story-boarder, and the film’s antagonist is not an all kinds of cool, relentlessly bad ass Terminator or even Skynet. The antagonist is the angst and inner-conflict experienced by Connor and Wright – and who wants to see that?
If you got an incurable thing for killer robots (and don’t we all), wait for DVD or “Transformers 2.”
“Terminator Salvation” opens everywhere at midnight tonight.







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storyboarding s the best job out here, you essentially get to direct the movie, without having to talk to actors.
haven't seen it yet- obviously- but do agree wholeheartedly with Mr Nolte that 'T3' was underrated and hugely enjoyable; Jonathon Mostow stayed true to the the series (and the genre's) B movie roots right up to the apocolyptic climax. McG has a lot riding on this- the buzz that he was an amped up video director has followed him and his previous work is, um, less than stellar… one suspects Chris Bale needs to give it a rest as well, for overexposure is looming.
So, once again, sounds like a beer and a Blu-Ray…
Harry Knowles thrashed this film. A geek film of this type has to be pretty bad to be ripped so throughly by the majority of the crew at Ain't It Cool. I like the TV show CHUCK (in large part because of the Adam Baldwin factor) but everything else McG seems to touch turns to lead.
I'll skip this, but still look forward to seeing Bale in PUBLIC ENEMIES.
Re: whether or not it's Connor or Wright's story – I actually read that once Bale signed on, the Connor part was expanded considerably. And judging from your review, this wasn't handled particularly well.
And it's nice to see others who enjoyed T3. It ain't T1 or T2 but I thought it was a lot of fun and MUCH better than it should've been.
I think the tv show Supernatural is McG's creation. I've seen every episode, and I love it.
Bummer. Was looking forward to this. Now I will grudgingly go to theater. What a shame. What a waste.
I was wondering what Terminator movie you were talking about, up until you called the third installment of the series a "pleasant surprise". Then I better understood where you were coming from, since this movie has very much the same sense and feeling that the first two Terminator movies engendered. The first movie never once showed John Connor, although his character is implicit throughout, in fact. While I missed Michael Biehn, who will always be the ultimate Kyle Reese, in my opinion, I enjoyed seeing his character brought to some more life. Nor was I surprised this tale focused so much on what made for a machine versus a man, that we have to follow Marcus' story so much. That was a jaunt taken in the second Terminator movie, as well. All in all, though, Terminator Salvation was excellent, the special effects were awesome, and the story telling was true to the original. It was a great, great movie, and I was pleased to sit through an early release of it here at our local installation. Thanks so much for the support of our troops, btw, in letting us see the movie early…the soldiers loved it, even begging for an encore at the ending. It was fantastic!
"The last hour or so plays like a film edited over and over and over in the hopes of creating something from a ton of footage containing plenty of action but no compelling story to hold it together."
The film crew has acknowledged some major late work-arounds once the original ending was leaked.
Conner was to be killed off, and secretly "resurrected" as a T-800 in order to keep the resistance motivated.
I had a suspicion that T4 would be pretty bad, and that's what it was sounding like for a while. However, if this writer thought that T3 was good, with the poor acting, low budget action sequences, and a substantial letdown from T2, I have to wonder if maybe this movie won't be too bad.
Seeing the giant bipedal robot was a big red flag to me. It reminded me of that awful steam-powered spider in Wild Wild West.
Leave the giant two-legged robots to Transformers and Japanese flicks.
The rest of the previews looked quite good, though.
" … with a hyper-complicated plot, narcissistic “hero” and a big fat wide blur between the concept of good battling evil."
I sensed this in the trailer, but I still can't wait to get to midnight screening tonight. I never liked Christian Bale as John Connor, but it could be worse.
And to create some sort of moral equivalence in a fight between man and machines would be an accomplishment for even Hollywood.
I will see for myself tonight.
I'm a huge fan of the franchise. But I have to disagree with Mr. Nolte, the 3rd installment was predictable and boring to me. After Judgement Day, they tried too hard to top the T 1000. So they went for the hot chick. Nothing wrong with an ass-kicking hot cyborg chick but c'mon….
I'll go see this movie, and I'll probably enjoy it. But nothing will ever come close to the original Terminator.
As for Bale, he should take a break. I'm afraid that he'll start doing sappy romantic comedies next…..barf….
This writer loved T3 on its own terms. Obviously it was missing Cameron's existential themes, which brought an unusual and welcome intelligence to both 1 & 2 — but 3 was was a simple story, very well told, with spectacular action sequences — especially the one involving the crane — and it firmly held to its predecessors mythology with an ending that was set up perfectly.
4 is a mess.
yeah but if you suck at directing…..
Ditto!
=(
Eric Kripke created Supernatural. I've also seen every episode, and I love it. I will miss Kim Manners, who produced many of the shows (and was an X-Files alum.) He died after a brief battle with lung cancer. RIP, Mr. Manners.
I'll save my dollars for Harry Potter, looks like. It takes a lot to kill a franchise like Terminator, but it looks like McG has made the grade.
John,
have I told you that you simply depress me when it comes to movie reviews?
:p
Wasn't Howard's daughter supposed to be the next 'it' actress? She's barely in the movie and when she appears she's reduced to the dreaded, bland 'girlfriend' role…
I enjoyed T3. It was fun and really opened the door for T4 to be really cool.
I really hope that you are wrong Mr. Nolte and that Axl is right. (Please, please, please)
Terminator is one of my favorite series. I even enjoy the TV version.
The trailers look like too much computer-generated images that look so fake as to look cartoonish.
Didn't James Cameron have to settle out of court with author Harlan Ellison for basically stealing the man's concept for Terminator? I think Ellison's name also had to be attached to prints of the film.
I do think Cameron is a craftsman behind the camera, and can construct one heck of a script … I just don't think the man ever had an original idea roll through his head.
considering the third film never really needed to be made in the first place (nor execrable TV series) we thought it was as good as it could have been. Ultimately, the first film will always be the hallmark, not the second. So, in the world of endless sequels one must settle for what one gets…
I'll have to watch it again, but in all honesty the hot chick terminator wasn't scary. Not one bit. She was a supermodel. If you had to go, who wouldn't want to get smoked by a hot babe?? To go from Arnold's human panzer to Robert Patrick's sleek death machine to one of Maxim's top 10……. it just broke the chain of awe for me.
I'll give it another viewing, and this time try to separate it from the previous 2.
I have no interest in seeing the fourth film…maybe on DVD. Arnold's not in it, Cameron's not involved, so it doesn't seem interesting at all. Plus this Bale guy is highly overhyped. He's a capable actor, but nowhere near as good as some people have made him out to be. And McG is just another Michael Bay type. Obviously the first two are the best ones, but part 3 WAS a lot better than expected.
I remember when this movie was first announced. I was excited by a "real" actor in the role of Connor and dismayed that the guy responsible for "Charlie's Angels" was directing. Sounds like we ended up with a fairly predictable outcome. I had also read, like Koomo mentioned, that the script went through major rewrites when Bale signed on and it sounds like they never came up with a cohesive script. Such a shame. I really liked this series.
Maybe she's just made for Shyamalan's movies. I liked her in The Village and The Lady In the Water.
*********Apologist Alert***********
Is it possible that this movie is a set-up for what's to come. Aren't there two more Terminator movie's Bale signed up for?
I can't disagree with you. I just hope it is better than Mr Nolte's review.
Bale is starting to look like a mid 2000's Snoop Dog. he is everywhere.
by the way what do we call this decade anyway?
Wasn't sure whether this would be worth seeing (i.e., renting). You give me enough of a sense of the movie to groan inwardly without even having to spend the money to get to the same reaction.
Saved me time, too.
I should add, though, that I haven't been in much of a movie-watching mood lately. Maybe when it gets too hot out here (in Minnesota), I'll pick out some good ones and enjoy them in the air-conditioned basement. Do you intend to review the next Harry Potter movie, too?
maybe, but if they already have problems with a coherent script…
if they had a plan for the next movies, they might have filmed them all at once. I don't know. I want the movie to be good because i love the series. your theory might be wishful thinking. I hope not.
Fat Ass probably trashed the movie because he didn't get to visit the set or attend the premiere or get a life-size bust of a T-700. He gave Opie Cunnigham's "Grinch" and the terrible GINO "Godzilla" positive reviews because he was bought and paid for like the whore he is. Knowles has ZERO credibility as a movie reviewer. Check out his disgusting review of "Blade 2" from 2002. I thought that movie was good too, but geesh, not like he describes it. The real thing is much better, but Fat Ass wouldn't know. He can only describe it in detail because he collects back issues of Penthouse Forum.
I haven't seen much of Supernatural, but it does seem to be a decent show. So it does look like McG should stick to producing for the small screen.
But if this one is as bad as many are reporting, there won't be any more sequels.
Sounds like they phoned this one in. This makes me sad.
You're willing to watch T3 again? Believe me, it's not going to get any better unless you are watching the Riff Trax version.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is the Riff Trax version?? if there is something better, please tell me!!
Does that really matter if it makes a ton of money at the box office?
I usually like Cameron's work, and I thought the casting of Bale as connor was fantastic.. but then I heard that the entire story was basically Connor and Wright.. and well, that's when it started losing me.
I do agree.. McG is turning into another Michael Bay.. he can put together some great scenes.. but can't string them together and put together a full 90 minute/2 hour movie to hold my interest the entire time.
And I do agree with the earlier comment.. you go from Arnie to Robert Patrick to … Krisitana? Ehh…
I have a built dvd of it.
http://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax/terminator-3
Anyway, you download, then sync it to the movie and enjoy watching it while some funny guys make fun of it.
Riff Trax is made up of some of the guys from Mystery Science Theater 3000. They have a web site, http://www.rifftrax.com.
John Nolte has rapidly become my favorite movie reviewer. I'm glad I had made no plans to see this derivative drivel.
I like alliteration
I’m willing to give T3 another chance as well. Perhaps the main thing I didn’t like about it the first time around was how it stood the essential moral of the first two films on its head. While T1 and T2 were animated by the idea that there is “no fate but what we make,” T3 went in the opposite direction—your fate is absolutely fixed and there is nothing you can possibly do to change it, no matter what. For that reason, I thought that T3 just didn’t mesh very well with the first two films.
I’d be interested to see what Mr. Nolte’s take on this would be.
We'll see, but I decided to look to see if there's any buzz about two more movies, which I couldn't find, but is it odd that T4 would have an incoherent script, but the team who wrote the T4 screenplay are the same two who wrote T3 as well?
T3 was horrible. I look forward to Salvation. But no one can ever top the original, although T2 came close.
They should have stopped with Terminator 2. The original Terminator stands on its own as a classic; I remember my best friend in 6th grade constantly talking about the Terminator movie. I just listened to him since I was not allowed to see R-rated films at the time. By the time I saw Terminator, I knew it inside & out thanks to my 6th grade friend.
"Conner was to be killed off, and secretly 'resurrected' as a T-800 in order to keep the resistance motivated."
Thank God that doesn't happen, at least. Not that's it's a bad idea as such. I love the end of "El Cid," when the corpse of Charlton Heston leads his men to victory. But that's a difficult thing to pull off, (literally) imortalizing your heroes.
"but 3 was was a simple story, very well told, with spectacular action sequences — especially the one involving the crane"
Gosh knows, I like watching Arnold get beat up and roll along like an armadillo (especially these days), and the crane sequence was a winner. The rest of the film, not so much. That coffin sequence was just weird. What happened to John Connor's personality in the intervening years? Why couldn't we have learned more about Skynet? Why was Claire Danes there at all?
"Wasn't Howard's daughter supposed to be the next 'it' actress?"
Every time I see her, I think, "She's cute." Then I think, "She kinda looks like her father." Then it's ruined for me. I imagine that's the case for a lot of people.
"The first movie never once showed John Connor, although his character is implicit throughout"
I could'a sworn that the adult John Conner was shown in a flashback scene in the first film. Scar down his face looking through some binoculars? I just assumed that they picked Bale because his dark hair / features were similar to the John Connor in the flashback scene of the first film.
Si? No?
"What happened to John Connor's personality in the intervening years?
Exactly! By the end of T2, JC was still a kid, but had the beginnings of some confident leadership. If I recall T3, the JC character was played like he was afraid of everything. Did they mention Sarah in T3? Don't remember.
In T3, the audience learns that Sarah Connor has already died from cancer.
Just what the world needs, another Gywneth Paltrow type—-gawky, kinda cute chick who has never lived in the real world. I though she was okay in what I have seen her in, but there was nothing to make me think she was the next big thing, other than the adoring media. If Premiere Magazine or American Film were still publishing, she would have been on the cover, with some middle aged writer exploring his erotic dreams about her, and telling us what a gift she was…thank goodness these publications are gone, but I am sure there is something out there to fill a vacuous void best left empty.
Like Blythe's little babe, I can't read an interview or I think I am listening to someone raised on another planet—-then again, she was, Hollyweird.
So Connor has concerns about killing off the machines due to some possible amount of humanity, as Picard had concerns about killing off the Borg?
Why do I feel this is one long Hollywood setup to give us concerns about killing off the Islamic extremists?
T3's John Connor is supposed to be the leader of the resistance in T4?
Uh huh… riiiight.
But, to each his own.
The Terminator franchise has taken the awful JAWS sequel route as each sequel was less than the original film. Perhaps Terminator Salvation is JAWS 4: The Revenge…? At the very least, it's JAWS 3.
I trust John's reviews. I argue with his assessments, sometimes (I didn't care for 'T3' – it was boring), but I still trust his take. And dang! I am seriously bummed that this film didn't make it.
Sounds to me like the PC gods in Hollyweird got to this movie and just plain ruined it. Obviously someone had it in their minds that we should give an Obama grin at the robots and instantly we 'would all get along'. Yeah, I'll bet they even storyboarded a bunch of 'bots in a Lotus position at the end of the film. Sheesh. Another blockbuster bites the dust.
Bale is starting to look like a mid-2000's Snoop Dog'
Snort! Now THAT is a great description. And you're right.
I must confess that I do not admire Bale for his acting. He is not, IMHO, a great actor. He's a presence in some limited ways but he's not an actor. Let's put it this way – Bale is never the character he plays, rather, the character becomes something played by Bale. An actor must alway lose themself in their part, make you see the part, not them. But whenever I see Bale's characters on screen, I only see him. This man isn't a great actor – in fact, I wouldn't even say he was a very good one. He's competent, he doesn't trip over his lines. But that's not enough.
good review… although I'm *very* skeptic that this is really worse than Transformers 2 will probably be.
I'm sure Bale's response to this review would be … "What don't you F#%@*NG UNDERSTAND?!?
After several bad reviews, I might just pass on this, unless my kid insists.
a bit late for a query, but one wonders what has happened to the talented Mr Mostow since T3? We quite enjoyed his work on 'U-571' and on T3 as well.
It is why we are apprehensive of well known hack McG's take on the series….
I agree with Scorpio about T3, and if they had followed that same pattern for T4 we'd be looking at an African-American Terminator flying the space shuttle through the Lincoln Tunnel with the Guvernator hanging on to a tailfin. Bleh.
Ditto. She wasn't a threat, just a….gimick.
What made the movie for me was John Conner. The modern, whiny, smart-alec hero. Who was in over his head, and knew he couldn't handle it. Watching him freak out was…believable. And entertaining.
That and the ending. One of the few endings that has really surprised me, and one of the few times when such a bleak ending worked.
I liked Bale a whole lot in both 3:10 to Yuma and The Prestige. I thought he ruined The Dark Knight and I didn't care for him much in Batman Begins either. So what I'm thinking is maybe he's better suited to historical-type roles where he plays real people than to action-fantasy-type roles where he comes off more wooden.
I can't figure out "McG." On one hand, he's a pretentious tool who uses a ridiculous pseudonym moniker and directs crap like Charlie's Angels. On the other hand, he did an excellent job directing "We are Marshall" which could've gone horribly wrong, but didn't. Now, it seems that he's back to his roots directing big, explosion-y dreck that will be quickly forgotten. Hey, "McG," how about using your real name (Joseph McGinty Nichol) and develop your talent as a director and avoid Hollywood's "flash-and-trash?"
I picked up on the "stay thecourse" comment in the trailer and knew right away this was a movie to avoid. Glad/saddened to hear your review bears that out. By the way, who proof reads your stuff?: "Overall, the first forty-minutes pretty much mange to live up to expectations." Mange? The devil's in the details
But T4 doesn't have Michael Caine fighting robots.
Hmm…
The Terminator franchise is one of the few I've always enjoyed. From the review, I sense that I won't like it. That sucks, because I was looking forward to it.
Between this and Time's sh***y review of Basterds, I guess I'll have to spend more time at the lake, Darnit.
/pasty white man
HUH?!
Is Steve Mason on vacation or no longer writes here?
I love Big Hollywood, but can we move on to something else? We have sliced and diced, dissected and analyzed, thumbs-upped and downed this movie. Hey, Robert Downey, Jr. is playing a Victorian hipster doofus Sherlock Holmes.
Discuss!
Well, crud. I guess the Alien Versus Terminator or Terminator Versus Predator mashups can't be far off then.
I must say, though, that I agree with you on T3: That crane sequence is really and truly amazing. It's just such a shame that Connor was such a doofus in that film. In T2 he was a super-bright, tech-savvy kid precocious beyond his years, and then he retrograded into an off-the-grid wastrel? I thought the franchise lost the thread right there. If T3's Connor had been a super badass we probably wouldn't be having this kind of thread right now. By all rights, the T3 Connor should have been on top of every potential development that could possibly lead to Skynet, not drinking Bud on a bridge after a day of construction work.
Oh, and Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles – the only f#@*!^& network TV show I watched – has been cancelled by FOX. WTF is wrong with those people?! Though I must admit that the fact that Summer Glau does it for me in a major way was a large part of that show's appeal. ;^)
I had the same reaction about Bale coming onto the franchise. Didn't remember about the director having done "CA". sqt, I gotta tell you everytime I see those three initials I mistakenly see s-g-t and think military man. My bad
How wrong can a person be?!
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So, I gather from what you've seen. McGee has released the movie that explained to us why the robots Didn't just Kill Every single living human being than right? Because I just don't get the Main problem that popped up in the very first film. That being the question stated above.
Skynet NUKES the world.. somehow manages to survive the Massive EMP that rained upon everything that would of fried anything electrical. Then decides to round up the human survivors into Nazi style camps for murder instead of just..well. Just Killing them when they find one?!
This is exciting! Those questions must of been explained to you! I can't wait!… when it becomes a rental.
In one video interview, McGee mentioned that he had over FORTY minutes cut out of the movie. 40 minutes.
I guess that should of been the real sign of problems if the director couldn't create a cohesive plot within the usual action timed for most decent films. 'Terminator' was a clean cheep movie that got to the point quickly and as much as I liked the second, 'T2' did ramble a bit too much and should've been trimmed to the original movies length.
Have you seen the 'Outer Limits' episode that Ellison wrote. It was called 'Soldier'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(The_Outer_L...
I wondered about the similarities that supposable is between the two stories and I got a chance to see it. Guess what it was…
Both where time travel stories!!!! That Is IT.
The brief summary of the show is as follows:
Two soldiers get blasted back into time -maybe Magic? never was explained- and one gets stuck for most of the episode in a nowhere time land while the other gets to know what it's like to be with a '60s nuclear family. Hyjicks ensues. Than Suddenly!!! The trapped soldier pops up, locates the other and wrestles with him and pottery is broken -crackling energy flies about- and both are blasted back to where they came from!!!.. to continue a mindless war…….like that police action America got involved in? Ellison was -and still is- a hippy at that time of this episode.
To this day I just shake my head and feel a small bit of sympathy for Cameron because he mentioned that he was influence by that one episode written by that nut-bag Ellison. One of the most litigious writer in America.
Oh yeah, Steve Skroce used to draw Amazing Spider-man and went from that to story boarding the Matrix trilogy, you can see his influence in the movie after you see his boards.
Someone referring to himself as McG… just screams pretentious douche bag to me….
Ahem brother. T:TSCC was the only show in years I actually looked forward to. Great casting all around (Especially Summer-Best Terminator since Arnold!) and it did a great job of expanding the Terminator mythology, but FOX tends to be a graveyard for good SciFi/Drama.
Speaking of Summer Glau, she did say in a recent interview she has been in talks with the producers of the new Terminator films for the possibility of being in T5 or T6 or both, at least as a walk on role, though it would be awesome if they gave her a larger role to play.
Anyway, I've been reading Nolte's reviews since he was over at Libertas, so obviously I think highly of them-they tend to be honest, smart, thoughtful and free of the stupid puns and one liners it seems like plague other reviewers who I guess are looking for a spot on a poster or DVD cover. With that said, he has also hated some movies I've loved and vice-versa, so I'll make up my own mind about T4 when I watch it.
Ah, yes, you're right, my bad. I was thinking more along the lines of "character". John Connor is more implied in the first film, he's never fleshed out. You never really KNOW him. He's just this over-arching theme to the story, the thing everyone's really fighting for that always remains unseen and unknown.
It seems Skynet is using human beings for some sort of mass production sort of effort, from what I could discern. Lots of experimentation going on, people being laid out on tables and taken apart, basically. I would assume it has to do with Skynet's work to improve itself and its machines.
I thought T3 was great. The main problem is that they insisted on having Nick Stahl play the part that Edward Furlong should have. They picked Nick Stahl because he was a better with Clair Danes as a love interest which makes no sense.
Or the Alien franchise
LOL – That was funny
And imdb has updated Bale's page with a Terminator 5 and I have heard that Howard's character's baby "bump" is exposition for the two future flicks.
O.o I cant believe how many people seem to base whether they will like or see a movie based on reviews! Of course having a general idea of whether a movie turned out good or not is nice, but decide based on what you see for yourself, not what others tell you.
And as a conservative I never understand all these things people seem to find in movies that offend them. An example in this movie is the "stay the course" line. What the hell does that have to do with politics? It cant just be part of the plot line? Sometimes people look too hard to find this stuff when there is really nothing there.
By the way I personally couldnt stand the 3rd movie, john connor was extremely whiney and the movie as a whole did nothing to move the story line forward (we still knew this all was going to happen). To each their own i suppose.
The trailers seem to draw me in, but I keep thinking I'm watching a trailer for the new Batman. Should've spaced those out a tad. And with Arnold being stuck in Cali passing legislation, some things just aren't the same
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I really wasn't put off by the inevitable Skynet activation. However, I've also been a huge gamer and used to be a big comic guy, and all of those dealt with the time paradox by basically saying Skynet, or some variant thereof, goes online eventually no matter what. It just depends on when it activates and the specific details of the Skynet system (like how original Skynet was one database hooked into every defense network, whereas 3's Skynet ended up being a database that sent out a parallel process over the internet so that every computer is a huge decentralized Skynet). For example: in the vs. universes that were popular in the 90's, Skynet activates 30 years later than it originally would have and is based on tech developed for Robocop, and the T-series humanoid combat chassis are based on Robocop's design. Skynet doesn't nuke the world, but instead nerve gases every square inch of it, hoping that the gas will get to people in bunkers and tunnels that the nukes it would use otherwise wouldn't touch.
It was really just a cop-out so the developers could make interesting fights for the comics and freaky bosses for the games, but it also means the inevitable Skynet isn't exactly out of the franchise as a whole before T3 came along.
" to create some sort of moral equivalence in a fight between man and machines would be an accomplishment for even Hollywood. "
Way to cut to the crux of the matter! NEVER underestimate a Hollywood liberal's impulse to equivocate anything.
Has anyone seen Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles that recently got canceled by Fox? Now that was good writing that dealt with real issues that lurked behind the franchise. This looks, and from the sound of it, like eye candy that would make video game fanboys excited. Too bad the writers and director didn't realize there is much more than robots and explosions that make the story good.
Egh… The movie was a huge disappointment. Poorly executed, poorly conceived. It's interesting to hear that the original ending was changed after being leaked. I think it would have made a far better movie. Wait for the DVD.
*rolls eyes*
That's a laughably ironic assertion, given Sarah Connor's rather pronounced predilection for eye-candy in the form of comely female Terminators both clothed and nude.
"However, I've also been a huge gamer and used to be a big comic guy, and all of those dealt with the time paradox by basically saying Skynet, or some variant thereof, goes online eventually no matter what."
If that's the case, then fate is real, and we were wasting our time watching the first two movies, in which they repeatedly told us the future is what you make of it. Thanks a lot, comic books.
"On the other hand, he did an excellent job directing "We are Marshall" which could've gone horribly wrong, but didn't"
"We Are Marshall" was a deeply flawed film. The most interesting thing happened in the first act. Then a bunch of sports cliches and sad people wandered around for a while. I wondered to myself more than once, "Where is the movie? Come on, people, let's focus!" Capped off by a ho-hum climax that was completely ruined by the trailer.
McG is no mystery. He's a hack.
"Hey, Robert Downey, Jr. is playing a Victorian hipster doofus Sherlock Holmes.
Discuss!"
Wish it was directed by someone else. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always thought of Holmes as classy. Judging by the trailer it appears Downey, Jr. is playing him as a mix between Inspector Clouseau and Paris Hilton.
"What the hell does that have to do with politics? It cant just be part of the plot line?"
Don't be naive. The line's not in there by accident.
Not that I care (though sometimes I do, just not now).
No that was Terminator 2. The original Terminator movie never once shows John Connor.
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I saw this with my 17 y.o. son tonight.
I could buy in to the CGI battles, action, and surprise attacks
as typical summer blockbuster fare.
I didn't expect a 'Gran Torino' or 'Batman Begins', or even 'Star Trek'-
3 flicks my Boy and I saw in the theatres and which sparked some conversation.
I could laugh along with the use of taglines from past ' T '-Movies,
and enjoy seeing a familiar face or two.
Dammit, the thing lost me at the ending.
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I could believe (for 2 hours) the existence of Skynet and robots of doing things well at dizzying speed.
I could believe (for 2 hours) that this rag tag resistance could keep A-10's and helicopters fueled, armed and functioning 10 years after Skynet destroyed resupply lines.
But Holy crud, how does a veterinarian implant an artificial heart in her own husband on a dirt floored, tarp covered operating room with Korean War vintage equipment without killing him?
No disrespect for Vets (nor for Korean War Vets) but when we met Mrs. Conner , she was treating dogs and cats. After 'Judgement Day' she was pressed into combat casualty care, not transplant surgery.
Am I straining gnats here?
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