‘Star Trek’ Flicks — Worst to Best: Part 2
by John NolteLet’s just get to where we left off in Part 1.
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5. Star Trek: Generations (1994) – Yes, “Where the hell’s Kirk?” was my mantra through most of the second act, but the Next Generation (TNG) crew got off to a promising start with William Shatner’s Captain Kirk bookending events to graciously hand off the baton. Plot holes riddle the story of Malcolm McDowall’s Soran and his maniacal attempt to return to the Nexus, an energy ribbon with a crack-like addictive ability to deliver its inhabitants into a dream-like nirvana (there had to be easier ways to get in the thing other than blowing up an entire friggin’ planet), but the concept of the Nexus – the idea of choosing between a false perfection and an imperfect reality is Trek at its best, and the scene where Picard enjoys a heart-wrenching Christmas with a family he’ll never have is a franchise high point. The best moments, though, arrive when Kirk and Picard, two Captains wildly different in personality but who share a love called Enterprise, come together to save the Universe. The complaints about Kirk’s death being anti-climatic are valid and the less than iconic setting for the demise of an icon is obviously due to budget and imagination constraints, but for me it works. When heroes fall it’s often in nondescript places we’ve never heard of where a stand has been taken to risk one’s life for those they’ve never met. Kirk may not have been real, but his final moments are.
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4. Star Trek: First Contact (1996) – In an episode of TNG series, the crew captures a Borg and creates a virus that once implanted in their captive will wipe out the entire Borg collective. But because TNG could be over-the-top stupid, Picard chooses not to commit “genocide.” The point of my digression? Simple… Mark this moment as the point when, without even knowing it, TNG became the perfect example of how selfish, do-gooder leftism is a recipe for never-ending war and countless miseries. Ever after, every murder and assimilation at the hands of the Borg is solely the fault of Captain Jean-Luc Picard — including those lost in this superb entry that ranks as one of the all-time best time travel movies. This is the only time TNG cast ever came close to gelling, but it’s the menacing Borg, especially the oddly sexy Borg Queen and a truly clever script that creates the kind of stakes and real peril no other TNG film would come close to. The “Moby Dick” allegory is a little on-the-nose, I was kinda digging Picard’s single-minded quest for revenge, but some very charming sequences involving the inventor of warp drive combined with outstanding villains and well-crafted action scenes earned enough audience goodwill to buy the franchise a couple more dismal outings.
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3. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986) – Note to my fellow Right-wingers: Don’t let the film’s Save the Whales message interfere with your embracing the warmth, humor and excitement of this thoroughly charming and exciting time travel adventure. You would think that after three television seasons and feature films the relationships and characters would have no place left to grow, and yet the writers and director Leonard Nimoy not only squeeze the fish-out-water concept for all its worth, but forever crystallize the Enterprise crew into a very real and believable family. One of the funniest and most delightful movies of the 80s and a blueprint for how make a cinematic political point without diminishing the fun. Oh, and Catherine Hicks is all kinds of hot.
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2. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) - The deaths of James Doohan and DeForest Kelley sadly insured that this would be the final outing of the full Enterprise crew, but it’s hard to imagine a more fitting send off. Filled with political intrigue, a terrific, old-fashioned mystery and an adventurous subplot on a prison planet, those who thought a crew stocked with senior citizens wouldn’t be able to deliver the goods were in for a pleasant surprise. The first act is the best of the franchise, a perfect setting up of the dynamic between our crew and the prideful but desperate Klingons that all leads to a truly shocking and very well staged assassination sequence. That the remaining 85 minutes lives to the opening 25, never once dragging or releasing the tension for a moment, is a testament to just how good this film is. Another testament is that I walked into the theatre inconsolable with the knowledge that this was it, but left fully satisfied that seven individuals I’d known all my life would live on forever thanks to five timeless feature films that closed with a grand adventure worthy of an emotional investment as strong today as it ever was.
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1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) – After a feature debut so dismally disappointing I’ve still not quite recovered from it, like something out of a storybook, “Trek” rose again with a grand space adventure that ranks among the greatest sci-fi pictures ever made. The scene where James T. Kirk inputs the code to drop Khan’s shields is, by a wide margin, the single finest moment of the entire “Trek” canon. The fact that Kirk needs reading glasses to accomplish this combined with Ricardo Montalban’s reaction – a delightful mix of shock and admiration for an “old foe” – upon realizing he’s been tricked, is simply exquisite. “Khan” also represents its own kind of reboot. An entire new mythology was so well crafted here that it built an infrastructure that would see the franchise through four more adventures, thanks mainly to Spock’s death which became the rallying point to turn our intrepid crew into a close-knit family willing to take any risk to stay together. And for my money, this was always the heart of the series.
Addendum: Star Trek 11 (2009) — Now that I’ve seen the latest entry it can be properly ranked among the others. Easy call. Thanks to a solidly entertaining first hour but a choppy, emotionally disconnected second, the latest incarnation ranks as 7th best, just below “The Search for Spock” but well ahead of “The Motion Picture.”







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Good choices; one might quibble with the order but not the content… while 'Khan' is the best of the series, for the uniinitiated 'Voyage Home' is by far the most entertaining. The running joke between Kirk and Spock about 20th century aphorisms is hysterical- Spock so terribly wants to contibute but Kirk won't allow it… crossing the street the taxicab driver yells "Dumbass!" to which Kirk replies "Double dumbass on you" and the look of pride and mastery he shoots to Spock is just a priceless moment in the series…
First Contact was indeed excellent. At the same time, it drove home what TNG might have been. It was the only time I really liked that crew.
I agree, the first time I ever saw the TNG crew was in the movie First Contact. When I watched the TV show later it seemed like a totally different crew.
John,
Aside from the tear-inducing scene at Spock's death, I would just add that for me, the best part of Star Trek II was a slightly demented Kirk, screaming into his communicator:
"KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNN!!"
I mean, it takes one hell of a shout for it echo around the vacuum of space like that.
I will say I disagree with your rankings in only one respect- I would put "Undiscovered Country" at 5th, and move all the others up one.
First Contact being followed up by a painfully dull tv episode known as Insurrection proved this crew wasn't really worth the time.
I'd rate the new film higher. I think you will too after time passes.
If you want a taste of some film bashing you should check out Nikki Finke's Deadline Hollywood thread on the film a bunch of alleged WGA writers on there hate it. My feeling is, it delivers what it promises, an entertaining fun time that does the characters proud. I had more fun with the new one than some of the ones on this list.
It would have been nice, though, if Paramount hadn't tried to make the early trek films on a showstring budget. I understand they wouldn't pay for new costumes in the Search for Spock.
Agree with most of the choices, but I guess I am a bit of a cretin, inthat I liked the very first film, for all sentimental reasons. And I really liked looking at Persus Khambatta, and the young Kirstie Alley. Lt. Savak was the only green-blood I ever thought about gettin' jiggy with.
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The fact that you would rate Star Trek V as anything better than the worst piece of sci-fi sewage ever put on the big screen is a clear indication of your questionable taste.
The first Star Trek movie wasn't as much of a dud as it could have been. But it was no great shakes either. I may have resented it for ripping off a TV episode about the mysterious "V…ger." It took a small and interesting concept, and went way over the top with it. The captain turned out to be far better as a TV minister and family man than he ever was as a Starship Officer. But the original movie had one good thing going for it–the followup: "Khan!" As high as our dashed expectations were for the first movie, we were guardedly pessimistic about the second. Instead, we got what I consider the best of all the Star Trek movies which starred the basic original cast. I also wish I could have Spock with me whenever I get on a SF Muni bus here in town a la Star Trek IV. Spock silencing the loudmouth punk on the bus with the boombox was a classic. The punk later got a haircut, and today is our mayor (just kidding, I wouldn't want to insult punks). And Kirk explaining to a local that Spock's weird behavior was caused by Spock doing too much LDS in college was hilarious. The whales were fun, but the plot was ridiculous.
I have to agree. Star Trek V is utter crap and to place it anywhere except the bottom of the list is pretty silly. John does save some face by acknowledging the complete superiority of Star Trek II to all other entries though.
And just WHY is the United Federation of Planets headquartered in SF? There's no d*mn parking.
John, although II and IV were my favorites, I liked the Undiscovered Country for the same reasons. What a well-done wrap-up. That might be part of the reason I thought Kirk's farewell in Generations was unnecessary.
And worse than that, they fly those damn starships so low looking for berths that they keep taking the tiles off my roof!
Can't share your love for Generations, I would give III or the new one its place on the list, but otherwise agree with the top four.
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home was a delightful film and I'm so glad you ranked it as high as you did. Despite the silly "save the whales" plot the entire movie was quick-witted and the lines are unforgettable. When Scotty talks to the computer and the 80's scientist points to the mouse, which he then picks up and speaks into … perfect. When Chekov is asking passerby about "nuclear wessels"; perfect! When Spock starts using "damn" because the 80's culture is so profane, it's shocking how profane a "damn" can be.
This movie was fun and full of wonder and promise, which makes it a perfect 80s film. Let's hope we have a new political climate soon where wonder, promise, and a bright future is part of our world once again.
I'll say it – I didn't think V was all that bad.
Aim for the head.
Here's my list:
1. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
2. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
3. Star Trek: First Contact
4. Star Trek
5. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
6. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
7. Star Trek: Nemesis
8. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
9. Star Trek: Insurrection
10. Star Trek: Generations
11. Star Trek V: The Voyage Home
I have to say that I enjoyed each of these films in some way or another.
My wife and I just got back from seeing Star Trek. It was great, like has been said some things in the movie simply defy credulity, but that’s Hollywood. As a consumer I recommend the movie, I even caught myself getting nostalgic as they folded the characters into the script, very cool indeed.
Those damned whipper-snapper Federation Cadets.
"In an episode of TNG series, the crew captures a Borg and creates a virus that once implanted in their captive will wipe out the entire Borg collective. But because TNG could be over-the-top stupid, Picard chooses not to commit 'genocide.'"
I watched that episode about a year ago with some friends. When Picard made that terribly PC, lefty, irrational, hippie decision, we all just groaned.
I don't think we had any idea we would know have a president with the same sensibilities.
Thanks for the recommendation. Nice that you have a wife that is interested in Trek. My wife, after her first Trek movie with me, wanted to know why "that guy had pointed ears." I love her anyway though.
I'm surprised that they're allowed to hover. Remember what happened during last year's Starfleet Week? No weapons in space. Vulcans out of occupied Rigel VII, on and on.
He’s a Vulcan damnit woman! Oh, I’m sorry honey I didn’t mean to yell at you. No my wife is pretty cool in that regard being a child of the ‘60s and all.
Except, I always wondered how, having used voice-commands his entire life, Scotty could blaze through source-code at what looked like 60 wpm on that computer keyboard!
But it had an upside for us locals. The homeless hordes disappeared for a week. They thought it was the Democratic Convention coming to town. Even the homeless have some scruples.
"I've hurt you. And I wish to go on….hurting you"
To me, the best "villain line" I can think of in any Trek flick.
One of my favorite conversations from this movie:
Spock: "They like you very much, but they are not the hell your whales."
Gillian: "Oh, I suppose they told you that?"
Spock: "The hell they did."
Generations was the first Trek movie I saw in the theater. I was 11 and on Cloud 9. Today, I find it a mild disappointment. Too much technobabble, too many plot holes, and I always thought, "Why doesn't Soran just pilot a shuttle into the Nexus? Or why doesn't he strap himself into an EVA suit, or something?" However, I should add the film looks beautiful, thanks to the late John Alonzo who also shot Chinatown and Scarface.
If you're into DVD special features, I beg you to listen to (writers) Ron Moore and Brannon Braga's audio commentary which is funny and surprisingly candid. I think it might clear up any problems you have with the film and modern day Trek in general.
The other films are just great. I especially enjoy the character moments in Trek IV – the Shakespeare, the 20th century slang, and the "I feel fine" thread which runs through the film. You know what your top 3 have in common? Nicholas Meyer, who directed (and did an uncredited rewrite for) Trek II, co-wrote Trek IV (the 20th century stuff), and co-wrote and directed Trek VI. He also did Time After Time.
Re; Nicholas Meyer, he pretty much saved the movies for me. He seemed to make the stories deeper and then focused on how the characters react. I seemed to care more about the characters with his scripts (referring to the TOS films). The crew in the TNG films just seemed…well…wimpy!
When I heard "Either they're going down, or we're going down" as part of a trailer for the new film (I think that's the line), I thought that it sounded "Kirk-like". Picard, Janeway and Sisko would try and negotiate (not sure enough about Archer yet).
1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
This, everyone seems to agree on.
2. Star Trek I: The Motion Picture
This however is a different story. I think you have to have been an original TOS fan to appreciate this film. Otherwise, you just have no earthly idea how fraking long we waited for this, and how unbelievably cool it was for us when it finally came out. I cried.
3. Star Trek: First Contact
My favorite with the new crew. The back story canon stuff was really, really cool for me, especially the fact that Zefram Cochrane was an old fashioned American Entrepreneur!
4. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
I must admit I like this film for no rational reason. I was just glad to get Spock back, regardless of how painful some moments in this film are. LOL!
5. Star Trek: Insurrection
This had some good action, and the effects were very good, as I remember, but I'll admit to not watching this one in a while.
6. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
I guess I liked the morality play aspects of this one, as it wasn't particularly good otherwise.
7. Star Trek: Nemesis
I liked this more than most did, because it was pretty uncompromisingly dark for a Trek film. Trek has too many happy shiny people a lot of the time.
8. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Now we're in stupid territory, and it just gets worse.
9. Star Trek: Generations
It's hard to imagine a worse Trek film… until you actually see The Voyage Home, that is.
10. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
The only Trek film I genuinely hated and refuse to ever watch again. Having the entire cast wear Dunce Hats throughout wouldn't detract from the spectacular crapitude. In fact, it might actually add to the "quality."
actually i was kind of pleased with this 2009 version. the way the story was done we are guarenteed at least 4 more movies with the time line shift. so basically we are at star date 0000.00 and going where no man has gone before on this new time line. we could even begin with a minagerie type movie with capt pike in his wheel chair. the ideals are endless now with this new time line. of the 60 series my 2 favorites was space seed and the dooms day machine. who could play ricardo montabalm the best guest actor they ever had on the series. or thecrazy capt from the doomsday machine both were well over the top to good for tv
The Democrat conventioneers like to spit on and kick their homeless constituency, the beautiful people don’t you know.
Star Trek IV's "save the whales" plotline was a groaner even back then. Thank god it was just the MacGuffin that set up a distinctly different (and welcome after the drama of II and III) tone and well, fun, that we had never seen before. Khan was still the best though. But there's a reason IV made the most money of the first 6 or 8, and it was accessibility.
Agreed on Spock learning to curse. After several mis-steps, Nimoy hits it perfectly as they are trying to leave in the nick of time. "Just a damn minute Admiral!" is one of the best delivered lines every by Leonard. I laugh just thinking about it.
Uh don't you mean #11 Star Trek V; Where no man has gone before ????
Regarding Generations, I felt that the only way for Kirk to go out was to pilot a crippled Enterprise into the heart of the Borg cube and manually detonate it. But as John said, it's more common for heroes to go out silently– like George S. Patton taking a stroll down the sidewalk.
But the list order and summaries are almost perfectly in accord with mine, so no complaints. I also don't think part VI gets enough appreciation from most people.
In Shatner's memoirs about the films, a constant theme is budget issues. He made a good case for why part V was sabotaged by studio budget cutters, and how they almost completely gutted the special effects budget. But he does fairly place blame on himself for other failings in the film.
Actually it's because they know the Democrats love to spend money on the homeless–just not their own money.
Part V was disappointing, but people only tend to remember the worst parts. Behind those few terrible, distracting scenes was a pretty good narrative. It had its moments.
I remember reading a review of generations where the writer said of Kirk's demise; "…there wasn't a wet eye in the house".
What you and John say is true enough, but still, I remember thinking "What the…? That's it for Kirk?" when he was killed I always just chalked it up to the TNG writers and their approach. I never could "care" for the TNG characters, or any under the Berman/Bragga regime (Voyager/DS9, etc). They all had the same sort of way of writing those characters.
As I read from other posters, Spock's death was shocking to most Trek fans, while Kirk's death (Kirk…the main dude, after all) seemed to be relegated to side plot status. Probably just me and my TOS bias, though.
Oh, come on! What can you expect from a plot that puts a tailor as Starship Commander? "Make it sew!" indeed…
You would place Star Trek: The Motionless Picture (Working Title:Where NOMAD Has Gone Before) anywhere in the top 5? I don't care how long we had to wait for it. In comparison to the other TOS movies, it just plain sucked.
That was too much LDS in college? Wow, I heard some freaky things can happen to your head after you leave a cult, but, whoa!
Which brings us to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki argument, the nuclear option would kill off the enslaved who possibly could be freed. Tougher call for Picard viewed that way.
And hey, no more Borg, we never would have had Seven of Nine. Think about it.
I wish Science Fiction shows in general would stay away from Time Travel. It always screws up everything. It was only used successfully in BACK TO THE FUTURE for laughs.
Since they started the movie noting Kirk had been "dead" for quite a while in the TNG timeframe, and went out in a relatively wimpy fashion, the real death was merely a footnote and not much should have been expected. The real one actually seemed a dramatic improvement over the presumed death.
We probably should have assumed something like that was going to happen. A live and about Kirk would've made for too much interesting backstory between TOS and TNG and too much noise for TNG times. A true Cold Warrior while we're making friends with the Russkies, er, Klingons.
I totally agree! The concept sets up too many paradoxes and logical plotholes, and was only done well, as you said, with BTTF, and in writing only (not the horrible film version of) Ray Bradbury's "A Sound of Thunder."
The Sarah Conner tv show, which started out promising became a muddled, confused, labyrinthian plotline of several timelines, time shifts, Conner sending people back in time, others sending people back in time, the machines sending people back in time, I am getting a head ache just thinking about it.
I find it a cheap SF gimic.
I guess the Star Wars writers needed some work; you can certainly see their influence in this latest film. And the Con Air writers. But it was good; initially I place Star Trek 2009 at around 3 or 4 on my Trek film scratch list.
Of course I place KAHN! at the top of almost all my SF-flick lists, even above the aforementioned Star Wars IV.
What would be interesting is an Alien vs. Predator sort of takeoff on the Star Trek – Star Wars franchises. Mix the Force vs the Borg or something. Let the Sith Lords join with the Klingons, and come for the Federation.
And it would be interesting to see what this new Kirk could pick up in the Mos Eisley Cantina.
"I felt that the only way for Kirk to go out was to pilot a crippled Enterprise into the heart of the Borg cube and manually detonate it."
EXACTLY!!!! Two heavily damaged starships each with a captain at the helm. The situation is desparate as Soren is about to pull some sort of lever which will cause countless deaths. Picard is preparing to make a heroic sacrifice but somehow Kirk beats him to it. Big explosions ensue and the galaxy is saved. THAT is how it should have been.
"Mix the Force vs the Borg or something. Let the Sith Lords join with the Klingons, and come for the Federation. "
Oh great. Another franchise blessed with Lucas' crippling influence? Do you really want a lovable furry sidekick on the bridge?
And you think the Star Trek merchandising tie-ins are bad now? Are you ready for Ghoopy Luv, the Horta bath toy? Doomsday Machine snack cakes?
How about Time After Time? I thought that was a pretty entertaining time travel movie.
The thing that bugged me (well, one of them) about Generations was when Kirk and Picard go back in time to battle Soran. Could they have picked a worse moment in time to battle the guy? Why not go back even further before the you know what hits the fan? Were they looking for a challenge? Kirk's death was so unnecessary.
Here's my rearrangement of the list above. My criteria: Livliness and/or originality.
1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
2. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
3. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
4. Star Trek: First Contact
5. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
6. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
7. Star Trek: Generations
8. Star Trek: Insurrection
9. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
10. Star Trek: Nemesis
It was a priceless scene. Kirk looked so pleased with himself after getting the short name of the drug wrong without knowing it. I have a feeling even the Mormons laughed.
Yeah, I get that a lot. Sorry. ;^)
So the biggest box office success and biggest critical success of the series rates #7 on the list, huh? I could respect John's position if he took a more rational approach (say put it in the top 3), but his insistence on how bad he thinks it is sounds like the old guy next door who says, "In my day, we knew how to make a good movie."
Seriously, it's one thing to say you're against something because everyone else likes it but at some point you just sound cranky.
Not really sure what your talking about, but we seem to agree that TNG wasn't all that good.
The Democrats are conflicted. Last I checked you can't (legally) register to vote without a valid residential address, thus the homeless are not able to vote for liberals, but the most sustainable and politically-acceptable way to get them housing is to get them a real job, which libs know nothing about, and the majority of homeless are addicts and mental cases who'd vote for some guy from Pluto promising free booze and drugs. Heck, they'd take off with someone who showed up with a book, To Drug and Serve Man.
Guess helping the illegal border breakers makes more sense, they have jobs and can send in (more) campaign money.
In San Francisco, the homeless have permanent cardboard box addresses, and ACORN has them all. The ACORN voluntary community organizers also carry with them the drugs and booze to build the bums up on the way to the polls. They verify the proper homeless box registration by looking at their vehicles and asking probing questions such as "Hello, Mr. Safeway, is this your cart?" Once Mr. Safeway says yes, they have made proper identification, and it's off to the polls. The Democrats just don't want the homeless around during a convention because the smell and the drool might upset Obama's delicate sensibilities. Having them around at election time is quite another thing. On election day, Obama will be 3,000 miles away in the White House having a grey poupon burger.
At which point I hope some faceless temporary help follows through on what for decades I've thought was some joke name the French made up for that mustard and never expected us to take seriously. Maybe it'll be some homeless person brought on by a jobs program. What's the worse that'll happen to them, free meals and a bed?
Before the first movie was made Star Trek Phase II was in the works as a new TV series. If that had actually gone forward, it may have ended the Star Trek franchise right there.
I think ST 1 gets a bad rap. Admittedly it has some pacing problems but unlike most of the ST flicks the science in it isn't stupid. ST 2 is the most fun but all it really is, is Horatio Hornblower in space.
Agreed on Time After Time, but the time travel was really just a Maguffin for a chase thriller and the love story,but yes, it was well done. And directed by Nicholas Meyer, the Babe Ruth of Star Trek flick directors.
You need to go check out http://www.stardestroyer.net/
An engineer put together a very fun and fact filled website dealing with the potential of the SW universe fighting the ST universe. He has alternate history, battle tactics, weapons capablitiies and even essays on the various societies involved. He makes a very convincing argument that the ST future is fascist while the SW universe is gloriously capitalist.
A very fun site, make sure you have a couple of hours to spend before you go over there, as it is very addictive.
Also, a bit of a downer for folks over here, the arguement is settled that the Empire could wipe up the universe floor with the Federation in about 12 minutes.
You included the new moviie too quickly and based on hype. it will be utterly forgotten in a few weeks. Because it is nothing but fast-paced pop trash. The story makes zero sense (I could spend hours going over the countless plot holes and contrivances). There is zero depth and no subtlety or nuance. It's essentially a live-action Star Trek cartoon.
You included the new moviie too quickly and based on hype. it will be utterly forgotten in a few weeks. Because it is nothing but fast-paced pop trash. The story makes zero sense (I could spend hours going over the countless plot holes and contrivances). There is zero depth and no subtlety or nuance. It's essentially a live-action Star Trek cartoon.
But the new movie is a dreadful Trek film. It's Trek as summer blockbuster, which is fine as far as that goes but horrible as far as a good movie or entry in the canon. The sheer stupidity of the plot – Nero waited 25 years next to the black hole for Spock? Makes no sense. If he didn't, how did he know when to return? You need a drop to make a black hole, but take these 100 gallons with you. Why waste time drilling into the center of the planet? And on and on.
FYI, George S. Patton died in the hospital after being paralyzed in an auto crash at the end of WWII.
What was Picard's favorite catch phrase?
"Make it sew!"
What self-respecting crew would follow a leader like that? I mean, even The Valiant Little Tailor in the old folk story used "Seven with one blow!" instead…
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Okay, here goes…
1. ST VI: Undiscovered Country – This movie had it all. (Okay, the genitals in the knees joke was a bit.. eh). Action, comedy, intrigue, beautiful special effects. And Klingonese Shakespeare moves it to the top of the list.
2. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan – If you can't love this movie.. you just deserve to turn in your Starfleet Academy diploma.
3. Star Trek: First Contact – This is the movie that gave me hope that the TNG guys could put it together on the big screen. Unfortunately, for the most of the actors/stories, they just didn't live up to what this one showed they were capable of.
4. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home – After a serious III, the series needed some lighter fare to keep everyone happy. ST IV is what I consider, an unappreciated gem in the series, because everyone overlooks that the teamwork showed just how much we liked the character… "And sir, it's the Enterpwise!"… I would have rated this one higher, but the Borg > Whales.
5. Star Trek: Generations – Some great scenes interrupt what would have been otherwise an average movie with a few too many plotholes for my liking, and not really enough character for the TNG guys overall. There's enough great to mix in to keep it above some of the others, however. Besides, we already destroyed the Enterprise in STIII.. no need to do it again.
6. Star Trek: Insurrection – I actually rated this one a little higher than I thought i would, just because there was something about this that I liked. I guess the fact that it added in the fact that the Federation was in trouble, and the higher-ups were willing to do whatever it try to twist the message that Spock gave in "WOK" in an ugly fashion. (The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few…". That and the "Feeling aggressive tendencies" was one of the best one-liners EVER in a Star Trek movie.
7. Star Trek III – The Search for Spock – I'm PROBABLY going to get murdered on this… but looking back I just can't remember what the charm to this one was… I mean it's still a good movie, but what was it that made this one stand out… I honestly can't remember…. I probably need to watch this one again.
8. Star Trek: Nemesis Special effects galore saved this one from going further down the list… separating the Romulan ship and Enterprise by going in "reverse" was a little goofy, as was the Picard clone bit… I could have done without B-4, but I did like the Data sacrifice…
9. Star Trek: The Motion Picture – I understand why they used an old tv series episode to make this one.. Gives the fans something to connect to, and a simple enough of a story to get the new folks interested. There's nothing "bad" about TMP, just nothing spectacular. Our Sci-Fi needs a little 'fantasy' to go with it.. and TMP just didnt' have that part of the formula working.
10. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier – Sorry, I didnt' like the plot, the characters, the story, the special effects. This story just screamed we've got to finish up the Spock search somehow.. and yet it seemed to have absolutely nothing to do with that. Not to mention, I hated the entire "I can take your pain away" villainous ability… And needing Kirk to ask "Why would a god need a starship?" Just explains how thin the plot to this one was.
I didn't even know there were so many Star Trek movies! I guess I'm not really into sci-fi.
Star Trek 1 holds the distinction of being the first (and still only) film I ever went to the bathroom during. The kicker is that I didn't miss a line of dialog — the entire time they were still showing the interior of that stupid alien congolmeration!
Yes, we waited forever for it. I'd have been happy to wait a little longer just to have a good film instead of what we got.
Alice Krige made me like the Borg.
I saw it again and I enjoyed it even more the second time because I was able to absorb more. The script is tight.
Your complaints might make sense if it was a realistic story in the first place, buit come on. They have transporters and giant monsters.
Nero was not able to control time travel. He was sucked back in time vy the black hole, so he was stuck there. That's why he had to wait 25 years. (He sure aged well, but then he's a Romulan). The red matter was in Spock's ship which Nero stole. They never explained why the ship had that much, but there could be reasons,. we just don't know them.
There's more to the story than you seem to think. When I watched it again I was able to see how well it fit together. One of the things that impressed me is how well they managed to give each bridge character great character defining scenes.
Generations, if nothing else, is a good transition film, as we saw the original cast (Captain Kirk, namely) hand the baton over to TNG cast (Captain Picard, primarily).
As with Nemesis, I've never seen First Contact. I might watch it; I don't know.
The Voyage Home was the first Star Trek film I ever saw (and yes, it was a bit confusing at first). It also has a bit of a personal connection for me (my dad had to repaint a parking lot after a scene had been shot on that lot).
The Undiscovered Country is a superb exit film for the original cast, and appropriate, as it came at a time when things were already changing with the Cold War coming to an end. I liked how it ended with the cast's signatures appearing on the screen; a special ending, in my opinion.
The Wrath Of Khan, if it doesn't belong at the top of a Best Star Trek films list (and it doesn't, in my opinion), it belongs close behind at #2. The death of Spock, and in particular his famous line I have been, and always shall be, your friend. Live long and prosper., is as poignant an ending as anything I've ever seen in any film.
And as for the new Star Trek film, I still don't want to see it, as I love the films with the original cast too much to want to see it.
Like it or not, what is it with all these gay photos above?
I have the remastered second season. Doomsday Machine is the most recreated of all the remastered episodes. It is like a brand new episode with the redone special effects. Do a search and look at the screen shots if you have not seen them.
I liked it years ago and watched it recently. Wow, very slow and not near as good as I remembered.
Why all the hatin on ST The Motion Picture ? Its my favorite. It has a fabulous/intelligent plot and contrary to teh notion that the characters are no allowed to display their "true" selves I would strongly disagree with that. Sure it does have all the fanboy blow 'em/CGI crap every 5 minutes that today's PlayStation ADD crowd demands its a movie true to the heart of Trek, which certainly more then one can say about JJ Abrams "new" atrocity.
As Koothrapali said to Sheldon in the sitcom "The Big Bang Theory": "Star Trek V is the standard by which all badness is measured!"
One thing about First Contact, watching the movie it feels like the writers abandoned the original script.
Zephram Cochrane didn't invent warp drive, he had it shown to him by Geordi. That's why he's always out drunk. He's just pretending. Then at the last minute the writers cut the reveal scene. Watch it again and tell me I'm wrong.
I really liked TNG, Star Trek Generations and First Contact. Probably because I grew up with it. Although, I have to say – there is a bit of leftist dogma in ST First Contact that you missed. I quote: "[Jean-Luc Picard explaining 24th-century economics to 21st-century Lily Sloane] The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity. Actually, we're rather like yourself and Dr. Cochrane."
Well if you have to have an utopia… I guess..
As for the goody-goody decision of "let the borg live" in TNG, well, the new Battlestar Glactica does a much better (or more realistic) job of handling such dilemmas.
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The Voyage Home was a great 80ish movie. Everything about it reminds of the 80s. To me it seems like it was the last movie made by the original cast that age really didn't distract from the story.
As for TNG Star Trek, I watched it occasionally until the pro-gay episode where the red headed doctor has a lover. His body dies and the thing that lives inside it comes back to her in a female body. She wouldn't turn lesbian and blamed it on mankind, "who had not evolved to the point that things such as sex do not matter". (Not an exact quote) That destroyed what little interest that I had in TNG.
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