The Class Deficit
by John Nolte
By now most of you have seen this dishonest attack on Governor Sarah Palin narrated by Ashley Judd:
Hi, I’m Ashley Judd, and years ago I was best known for starring in the same movie again and again before all but disappearing after accepting a supporting role in something with both “ya ya” and “sisterhood” in the title. I’m here today, hoping to endear myself again with Hollywood by savaging Sarah Palin because my manager told me that was my last, best shot at a late career gasp.
Obviously, I’m paraphrasing.
Throughout the late thirties and early forties, Bette Davis was one of the biggest stars in the country. She was also one of the most powerful, fighting constantly with Jack Warner for better roles, script approval and control over her own career. No one told Bette Davis what to do.
Here’s a “commercial” Davis chose to make at the height of her stardom while her country was at war, like we are now:
Really, it’s not about the politics.
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I'm curious, MovieBob, what policies does Palin support that would get in the way of your good time? If you can find quotes of any sort from *her* rather than people making stuff up, I'd love to see them.
And even if it were true, I'm not impressed by the idea that completely unrelated and baseless attacks are justified by that. Granted, I think that that is what motivates the wolf-killer ads. But why is it necessary to be dishonest? I saw some silly piece about her on Huff-Po that ridiculed snow-machine racing, suggested that there was something unnatural about it all and snidely suggesting that Todd must only do it to get away from the bitch. Oh, and whined about the carbon footprint. Was that about the immorality of racing, a gratuitous sideways slam of red-state NASCAR hicks, an excuse to suggest catty things about Todd and Sarah's marriage without any evidence whatsoever, or what?
Or is it about the fact that Palin is religious and conservative?
And if that's what it's about, why the deception?
The main difference between Judd and Bette Davis, is that during the time of Bette Davis America was fighting fascism and communism. Now a growing portion of America is embracing them.
Would anyone really care that much about her if she was not a Judd to begin with?
Mr. Nolte,
Thank you. You have provided a concrete example of what “Class” actually is. So sad that so few of our Hollywood denizens don’t understand it.
Classy vs. classless.
Thanks for the great reminder, John. BTW, Davis is magnificent in “Watch on the Rhine” (1943) starring Paul Lukas – a film about American ignorance of the growing reality of fascism. Couldn’t be more timely.
Sad. With most of the spoiled, well-known Leftists in Hollywood, I don’t care what comes out of their mouths. But she actually does have talent and soul, as was obvious even as early as her appearance on the old Star Trek, Deep Space 9 series. Somewhere along the way she took a wrong turn. Very sad.
Terrific, thanks John. She was part of the greatest generation. What we need to do is keep telling their story, and show the comparison with the gutless bad seed that is trying to spread their distorted view of life to us and our children. Judd couldn’t shine Davis’s shoes…. in every category.
ashley proves the seeming oxymoron true that you can suck and blow at the same time
Mr. Nolte terrific comparison. Thank you for that.
I am a bit saddened to admit that I a part of the Baby Boomers who are currently in charge. If the media would have supportted our troops, rallying support of the American public, can you imagine the outcome???
I think we can all agree that war sucks (and blows), but I felt much safer knowing that President Bush at least tried to show that nobody was going to mess with the US again.
Isn't it ironic that the Left wants us all to pull together and support the new president and his sadly misguided policies?
Please let it be 2012 when I wake up. Not sure how much more I can take of this.
Who is Ashley Judd?
The different between yesterday and today is just so … stark. Judd needs to go out and give a killer performance, maybe three, just to get back in the audience’s good graces. But I suspect the attacks on Palin will keep on coming from Hollywood. To them, she’s still in play — and dangerous.
So many of them had class – Robert Avrech had on his site some time ago the stories of stars like Clark Gable and how they served in WW2. Many took humble positions in the Armed Forces to serve –
And to me Marlene Dietrich is at the front of the line. She detested the Nazis and served this country…
But then when one thinks all is lost look at Pat Tillman – who gave up his NFL contract to join the Army Rangers as an enlisted man. There are still heroes around – there just aren’t many in Hollywood.
Judd was hot in Heat. Unfortunately, she has proved herself to be a moron. Next stop: obscurity.
This is what I’ve been screaming. Thank you. A real man example would be nice for the next article. Wouldn’t be difficult to find a classless example in today’s group.
Ashley & Naomi. Nice pair of Judds.
Gosh, yes, fellow patriots. Let’s look at the inspiring story of Pat Tillman, who gave up his NFL contract to join the Army Rangers as an enlisted man. Who was then killed by friendly fire. Oh, and then the government repeatedly lied about his death and covered up the investigation — lying to his PARENTS — because there was an election coming up and the Bush administration wanted to use Tillman as their poster boy. But it’s the movie stars who don’t have class anymore, not the lying, scumbag administration who used this poor man’s death as a political tool to advance their own agenda.
Just for the sake of consistency, I want to comment on what MOVIEBOB said. I don’t agree with anything he said (except the part about Ashley Judd’s last five or six movies), but he said it well, he used some wry humor, he made a point and he stuck to the issue. That’s called legitimate debate. No personal attacks, no “scumbag administration,” no turning the debate into a rant. MOVIEBOB and people like him are the opposition, not the enemy. Let’s remember that as we continue to comment on this site.
Judd does what she can to get her name out there. If she were in a movie starting this weekend, I wouldn’t see her in it. Not because of what she said, but because of the Classless Act she is, not to mention a so-so Class B actress.
And I suppose it’s classy to support the war and all but I thought that waiting until Christmas morning to tell the kids they weren’t getting toys was evil.
Ashley Judd will be forgotten in a few years. Sarah Palin will become bigger and stronger…and will eventually become our President.
Yeah, “Watch on the Rhine” is pretty great. So great one can almost forget that its screenwriters were a couple of unrepentant Stalinists, name of Hellman and Hammett…
The way of the Konservekultist really is frought with contradictions, ain’t it?
It’s not really hard at all to “forget” that Lillian Hellman and Dashiell Hammett were leftist in their politics — people separate the art from the artist all the time. In fact, conservative movie lovers have to do it quite frequently if they want to enjoy most things that are produced in Hollywood today. I might not agree with Alec Baldwin about anything, but the guy can act, and my life is richer and happier with him there to make me laugh every Thursday on 30 Rock.
But I think the point about “classy” older movie stars isn’t that conservatives agree with them and that’s what makes them classy. It’s the WAY someone goes about their politics that makes them classy. I would say Paul Newman was a classy liberal. Ed Begley Jr. is another example. But Ashley Judd in this instance sounds like a harridan and, frankly, ignorant of the facts. She seems more interested in tearing down the person of Sarah Palin than in advocating a position. The older generation of stars didn’t behave that way and I think that’s what John Nolte was getting at in this post.
Judd was flat out great in Ruby in Paradise. Everyone thought she was the next thing. Then after Heat, she got stuck in the Ashley Judd film. Now she’s had a shoulder shrug career.
“WR”
It would seem that you were and are against throwing out the Taliban in Afghanistan – who harbored al Queda?
Years ago when I was in the Army a captain told me that in war time 30-50% of the combat deaths are accidents – You might consider that maybe the Army was trying to show some kindness to Tillman’s parents by not disclosing the circumstances?
I am certain that if the truth were known many sad condolence letters have been written to families over the years concerning loved ones killed by “friendly file”, artillery, bombs…
The truth is Tillman died defending this country by fighting the people responsible for 9/11.
Agent J:
You’re not THE Agent J, who is only Agent J by night, RU?
“ashley proves the seeming oxymoron true that you can suck and blow at the same time”
“Ashley & Naomi. Nice pair of Judds.”
It’s pretty ironic for these (and other similar) comments to appear in a thread criticizing someone for her supposed lack of “class”.
It’s obvious that the globalization of the world’s economies has caused Hollywood to scale their support of America based on what will sell in Bangladesh, China, or Egypt. As long as the industrial-government complex believes that we can send tax payer money to tyrannies that are our ‘friends’ then Hollywood will have no problem looking at their financials in the same way.
Ashley is already not aging well.
I like to listen to the 40’s music channel on Sirius and am just stunned by what a difference in attitude there was then toward WWII and the attitude now against the WOT. There were so many patriotic songs and music that it is unreal listening to it in comparison to an almost complete lack, other than some Country songs, today. It’s like a different world.
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Dicentra: Since 1992, I’m the only ‘Agent J’ I know of (until those no-talent ass clowns stole it for their space bug movie).
John Nolte, you are a tool.
We're not fighting a war in Iraq to bring "liberty", you tool. Remember, this whole Iraq deal was to find WMD's, no?
Tell me, Johnny boy..did you forgoe taking any tax deductions to make sure our troops were fully funded and properly equipped? Did you make sure you didn't use precious resources like metal, like the heroic people in WWII did? Did you encourage your children, if you had any, to sign up to fight? You conservative clowns thought that the Iraqis wouldn't fight back and cheered this monstrosity along. 4600 dead soldiers later, what did we accomplish? Oh, we did build a $700 million embassy there.
As for the wolf hunt, the whole purpose of the wolf hunt is to artificially enhance the caribou population in order to attract sport hunters to come to Alaska. Wolves and other predators will eat the weakest members of a herd, hunters obviously want to kill the largest animals for their trophy collection. Think of the long term damage to the gene pool if you let this go on unabated.
By the way, why hasn't Sarah Palin's high school dropout teenage daughter married her white trash boyfriend yet? How freaking hard is it to go down to the JP to do that? It takes 20 minutes.
Agent J wrong generation Ashley Judd is not a boomer
Campaspe,
I’m glad you brought up the restrictions that stars faced in the Golden Age. I think that fact ALWAYS has to be kept in mind whenever we compare today to yesteryear. Those who wax nostalgic about the past should keep in mind the not-so-great parts (myself included). But maybe the *illusion* the studios and press created is what many here are really longing for. Not that anyone wants to see people being controlled and manipulated by studio heads and gossip columnists, but even I have to admit, it was because of those controlling forces that the stars of the past were able to maintain an “image” that was/is highly appealing. It’s a facade, an illusion, but sometimes that’s what people want. Sometimes the illusion is what we need; I think that’s the appeal of the movies in the first place.
And the problem I have with Judd’s activism in this instance is that I don’t care for her characterization of the sitch. I’m much more partial to the adorable cariboo than I am to the mangy ol’ wolves, and the aerial shooting actually helps save the cariboo and moose populations.
It amazes me to see all the huffington post libtards on this website actually thinking we are going to agree with them and their lies.
Judd lied about what Gov. Palin was doing and she was caught distribution misinformation. She didn’t look at the whole picture she simply went with the liberal green program that anything a Republican does is bad. So in that sense she LIED.
But maybe the *illusion* the studios and press created is what many here are really longing for.
Oh, absolutely. I think that the “role model” thing is stupid (such as being upset that Michael Phelps got caught doing something naughty) but I don’t want an actor or performer distracting me during a performance with thoughts of their political stupidity. I don’t want a barrier put up to make it harder to imagine that an actor is the character they are playing in a film or on television.
At one time I *liked* Babs. It was fun to see her in a movie… and yes, refusing to fix her nose was inspiring even if it was probably fear that a nose-job might ruin her voice, and she really can sing. At one time I thought Whoopie was funny and talented and fun. Now what I think of first when I see Babs is the political moron. I don’t think I could go rent Jumpin’ Jack Flash and watch it without thinking about what Whoopie has become and some of the rather vile things she’s said. And, really, even Rosie was funny once. She was! The Dixie Chicks could sing. And there’s nothing wrong with Matt Damon if he’s reading a script.
Being known for political views or personal failings ruins the illusion that makes a movie.
EDSKI writes: “If Hollywood approves of the party in power, they are on board for what ever goes. And if they don’t, they don’t.”
The power in classic Hollywood, including many of the stars and almost all of the studio heads, was held by conservative Republicans, many of whom loathed FDR but stood behind their President, not only in wartime but during the Great Depression.
These conservative Republicans were Americans first, and in their product they frequently backed and never demeaned a man they did not vote for or want as their president.
Apples to Apples.
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Oh, please, let’s talk about Alec Baldwin and class in the same breath. That would be a dramatic post to create. Years ago I was totally turned off to the Hollywood bunch and forever forgot to pay attention to leading men and celebrity worship. I loved him in “Beetlejuice”, so when I saw he did a GQ interview, I eagerly read it…to find out he bragged about date rape and “getting laid” with any woman he even passed casually on the street. What a creep. I have never been able to watch anything with him in it since.
I believe that her position on sex-ed was to have it in school.
Her positions on public school and what ought to be in it pretty much reflect the fact that both of her parents were school teachers. Same with her view of labor unions. In those two areas she’s far more like Democrats of a generation or two ago than a Republican.
And that still doesn’t answer, MovieBob, why disagreement in a policy area means attacking her for wildlife management or for the fact that some people like racing snow machines.
Campaspe — changing subjects a bit here am I: “Instead, post-Code they pretty much stripped all overt political content from the movies.”
Which is why liberal films were so much better and more powerful then.
Back on topic:
You can write it off as “different times,” but in the scheme of things it wasn’t that long ago, and before the invention of pop culture, it wouldn’t be seen as any time passing at all.
Also, keep in mind that these stars who did these great and selfless things, like volunteer for combat as Stewart, Montgomery, and Gable did — would have been just as popular had they did nothing.
Yes, the Hedda’s and Louella’s were ready to pounce, but only when the stars bucked the system. So doing nothing would’ve done kept them out of trouble as much as doing something. I give them credit for pro-active deeds, just as I give all people credit.
Many, many stars from that era openly supported Democrats and liberal causes. Bogie, for instance. No one was destroyed for being Democrats — they just handled themselves better than this current crop. They had class.
And I really am talking about class. You and I have been friendly adversaries for years. You should know politics does not equal class with me. Paul Newman was a far leftie and I’ve never had anything but praise for him and the way he handled himself, and I was honored to write his obit for Pajamas. And I’m one of the few righties who defends Ben Affleck as a stand up guy with real talent (he’s been on O’Reilly and directed a near-brilliant film).
And many, many of the classic stars I adore were hardcore Lefties. I would crawl over glass to shake The Mighty John Garfield’s hand.
But Lefties back then also handled themselves with class.
It’s not about politics.
We’re at war and rather than offer her services to a Wounded Warrior fund, Judd chose to make a dishonest ad savaging Sarah Palin. Men and women are dying to bring liberty to the oppressed and Judd chooses to spend her celebrity assassinating a woman of good character in the hopes some casting director might remember her again.
No class. Zip.
Elizabeth: I hope that “sadness” thing is just a joke on your part. Ms Judd may have gone off into seclusion to deal with depression — and considering that one in every five Americans has, will have, or used to have it (which includes me), I think that it could be a legitimate issue, one that needed to be dealt with.
But if “sadness” is the excuse given, that’s just pathetic. I’m not afraid of the word “depressed”.
I think that if Ms. Judd could land the role of ‘Litle Red Riding Hood’, she might become more knowledgable about game and wildlife management.
“But maybe the *illusion* the studios and press created is what many here are really longing for.”
I’ve seen this proposition put forward several times, and not just on this new blog. It amounts to the assertion that those who believe that important aspects of the past were culturally and morally better than our present one lack objectivity.
It’s an error for several reasons.
First of all, based on the testimony of thousands of elderly people – as can be seen even now, but particularly in documentaries over the past 40 years – the 30s-early 60s were definitely more ‘conservative’ in the social sense, i.e. most people cared more about their own character and that of those around them.
Certainly there was bad behavior, but it was marginal and marginalized. That isn’t just true of actors, who were inclined to be ‘bad boys and girls’ and who had ‘looser morals’ but in society in general. Immorality wasn’t invented recently, but it wasn’t popular then, in contradistinction to now.
Consider the other thread where Mr. Avrech talks about a cocaine addict from the 20s. That sort of thing could ruin a career then. Today, it would get you a spot on the Oprah show and a lot of unearned sympathy.
Second, it was NOT chiefly the Code that kept actors ‘in line’. They were simply better people back then, on the whole. Yes, there were pressures from studio chiefs who wanted, and spent money bribing journalists, to keep misbehavior out of the newspapers. But the fact remains that people behaved better then, even actors.
Asserting this is not a longing for some rose-colored glasses view of society; it’s an empirical fact and I have to wonder why those who keep denying it insist on denying it. There are, after all, many people still alive today who know what life was life back then, behind the screen and in general.
Second, consider that, even accepting for the sake of argument (contra the evidence) that it was an illusion what does that tell you about the type of society that existed then? It says, that if people thought it necessary to keep some semblance of decency in ‘the public space’ it tells you something about what their morals were like. That in itself is evidence of their superior character.
Third, and perhaps most importantly, if you think that people are not being objective about the past provide some evidence. Your arbitrary assertions about what life was like back then, in all likelihood drawn from your worldview and based on a flimsy hypothesis about self-imposed Codes and ogre-like studio bosses do not qualify.
One can only conclude that this is simply the attempt of cynics to get everyone to believe that life is now and has always been a sewer and that anyone who believes life was cleaner then is simply deluded.
It simply isn’t so.
KEN in IRVINE:
I am stunned that someone of Davis’ stature would believe Roosevelt’s lies and cooked intelligence!
After all, it was the Japanese that attacked us? So what were we doing invading Italy and Germany!?!
Your poke in the illogical eye of the left is not lost on me. I still want to know what in the heck Milosovic ever did to us that caused Hillary’s husband to bomb the crap outta Serbia.
Jeff, you said
“Second, consider that, even accepting for the sake of argument (contra the evidence) that it was an illusion what does that tell you about the type of society that existed then? It says, that if people thought it necessary to keep some semblance of decency in ‘the public space’ it tells you something about what their morals were like. That in itself is evidence of their superior character.”
This WAS the same society that denied millions of Americans the right to vote because of the color of their skin, openly sanctioned the lynching of the aforementioned disenfranchised citizens, hell those “superior” people even passed laws making it a FELONY to marry someone outside of their race.
The conservative fixation of the golden days of yore that in fact NEVER existed is downright pathological.
Agent J:
1992?
Too early for the one I’m thinking of. Never mind.
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Jeff Perren: Excellent analysis.
One way to legitimize or excuse the abysmal behavior of Leftist stars today is to pretend that if it weren’t for that morals’ clause, Barbara Stanwyck and the Hepburn girls and the like would’ve been just as loutish and classless as this current crop.
I mean, if that’s all you got, maybe it’s time to rethink your entire position on the matter.
And plenty of stars behaved poorly back then. But they were the exception, not the rule. Today it’s just the opposite.
And I still don’t understand how I can be accused of “despising liberals” when a few dozen of my favorite movie stars were hardcore Leftists like John Garfield, Kate Hepburn, etc…
No, it’s a class thing.
Bette Davis was no rightie and moral’s clause or no, did what she damn well pleased, but when her country went to war against evil, she stood up.
Dr. M.,
Ah, here we go… Society was imperfect because racism (and sexism, and other types of bias) existed. Therefore it was overall worse than today. Non sequitur.
It raises one evil (ok, I’ll give you the ones you will assert next – dislike of or discrimination against homosexuals, and suppression of the full potential of woman as individuals) or three to the paramount considerations of society.
That’s right. Society was not then the image of the so-called liberal’s ideal. Therefore it was worse. Some people were bigots, and it was enshrined in some legal codes, therefore all people were bigots and the entire country’s legal system was set against minorities, women, and gays.
In short, nothing counts but whether there was stupid prejudice (sometimes encoded in bad laws) and therefore the past as observed and evaluated by millions who actually lived it NEVER existed.
Uh, huh.
By the way, many of those we might thinh of as classy like, oh Gregory Peck, were completely opposed to racial and social prejudice.
Sheesh. There’s no arguing with a bigot… a bigot against conservatives, that is.
>>Remember, this whole Iraq deal was to find WMD’s, no? >>
Whole deal? No, PHT. Was on the list, though.
Physician, who needs healing?
As for the wolf hunt, the whole purpose of the wolf hunt is to artificially enhance the caribou population in order to attract sport hunters to come to Alaska. Wolves and other predators will eat the weakest members of a herd, hunters obviously want to kill the largest animals for their trophy collection. Think of the long term damage to the gene pool if you let this go on unabated.
The wolves will still eat the small and sick. Or are you suggesting that there is only one strong calf born per 100 caribou cows? An easy google finds this…
Fall surveys of the Southern Alaska Peninsula caribou herd completed in October found an average of 39 calves per 100 cows. That’s a dramatic improvement from fall counts of only 1 calf per 100 cows in 2006 and 2007.
Thirty-nine.
That leaves all sorts of opportunity for the weak and unfit to be eaten by wolves. And how many wolves were killed?
…some groups staunchly opposed to Alaska wolf-control efforts are conceding the removal of 28 wolves appears to have played a major role in caribou calf survival.
Twenty-eight.
Your assertion about big-game hunters looking for trophies willfully ignores the fact that many Alaskans rely on hunting for a good portion of their diet.
Feed-lot beef from Kansas is a bit pricey.
Jeff Peren,
Don’t misunderstand my previous comment. I’m on your side, brother! In fact, I wouldn’t disagree with you at all that “certain aspects of the past were culturally and morally better than our present one.” That’s one of the reasons why I watch classic films and and am fascinated by those past generations. What I meant in my comment was what you pointed out: The Golden Age generation WAS better and classier because they understood that even at the minimum level, the *appearance* of virtue and propriety was better than having no standards of behavior at all.
It’s like the difference in how women dress now as oppossed to 60 years ago. Back in the day, you simply didn’t go out without make-up, hat, stockings, a dress, etc. Appearances mattered. So even if you felt like being a slob, or were a slob in your own house, you still put up appearances because appearances matter. Nowadays, it’s all about “being true to yourself” and “authenticity.” My point about “illusions” is that in a way it’s better and nobler to create an uplifting illusion (and the old studio guys knew this) than it is to embrace the “let it all hang out” attitude of today, and I don’t think it’s cynical to say so.
And objectively speaking, Jimmy Stewart and Bette Davis simply were BETTER than today’s stars, both on and off screen. I hope both right and left can agree to that.
Wow. It’s strange to watch that Bette Davis clip. I haven’t seen Hollywood be like that. And I never expect to.
what's up with the comments? this thread was 80+ earlier
"These" Hollywood types are simply useless.
John, I'm sorry, I clicked the wrong icon – wanted to give you a thumb's up but gave you a thumbs down by mistake.
New system and all that. Too bad it won't let us change our minds. 
I love the way liberal haters won’t even give a name to their post.
“physician” the war in Iraq was not just a out WMD’s,it was about the butchering of his own people,firing missiles at our planes,defying 19 previous UN resolutions,amongst other things.and by the way,they did find WMD’s,they were sent into Pakistan and Russia.you and yours love to write and re-write history to suit your needs.but the truth is still the truth.
the palin’s don’t live their lives by your leave dillhole!.no doubt,even if the young couple did marry,idiots like yourself would just find something else to complain about.also,he’s white trailor trash,this coming from a man living in his parents basement,sitting in his pee stained fruit of the looms,trolling “conservative” sights to try and poison the streams.you’re a complete imbecile.why don’t you take a break and throw out some of those plastic soda bottles and used mayonaise jars that you piss and defecate in.
derelict:
I agree with you about Paul Newman and ed begley jr. I saw a special on ed,this is a guy that walks his talk.he’s not a phony trying to put his face to a cause.and he doesn’t try to shove his opinions down anyones throat,let alone attack those who don’t live his lifestyle.he is an actor with “class”.he is the last of a dying breed in Hollywood.his class can be directly attributed to his age,same with Newman.they were not raised to hate America,the history they were taught was real and not revisionist.their teachers were not “political idealogues”.and it shows.
Physician heal thyse:
Hate much?
I am glad at least one person got it.
Not sure what happened to the original post.
My apologies if you were caught in the crossfire by using your quote. I don't think "illusion" is quite the right word for what you mean, but I won't quibble about that.
That is a stellar observation. The same stark contrast can be seen if you watch many of the shorts provided on DVDs of WWII-era films from 20th Fox (and others). You see not only patriotism, but a recognition that there are serious things at stake and if we lost life for everyone in America (not just Europe) would be far worse. Many people today don't have that same feeling about the war against the jihadists. But observing the UK is a good leading indicator of what will happen in the U.S. (even apart from things like 9/11) if the U.S. decides to call it a day (as may already be happening).
Anyway, good comment. The music itself, too, and not just the message was vastly more musical than much of what passes for it today. It tells you something about the sense of life of those who composed, played, and listened. There's a world of difference between Doris Day or Helen Forrest and pick-just-about-any-popular-female-singer today.
She took a wrong turn after she had her abortion.
She became an angry, radical abortionist.
It happens to many young women. Some destroy their
lives with drugs and alcohol, destructive partners, become
avid supporters of life for animals, or just
become plain, angry abortion proponents period.
Liberals now LOVE war, just not any that are started by the GOP. They would fly soliders into Darfur because that is a just war. Where they get these rulings on JUST is beyond me but, hey, they are all smarter than we are. They said so. We are just a bunch of knuckle scrapping bigots.
Glad the big brains are here to help us out.
On to Darfur and GLORY.
Wow. Just wow. You actually think that Ashley Judd is a disgrace and a comedown from Bette Davis because she's acting Sarah Palin, who is–by analogy–the American Cause in the 2nd World War? That takes some real balls. And at tremendous lack of brains.
Um … Bette Davis was getting behind a war we should have been a part of WAY before we weren't.
The Iraqi war was never one I was behind being a part of, especially WAY before it even started.
… oh, and I love all the sexist language used against Judd by posters who simply wouldn't tolerate the same language directed against Sara Palin.
You missed the point. Palin was attacked for no reasons other than hatred for being a woman who disagreed with the mainstream feminist. Judd is being attacked for her ignorance.
But I won't expect you to understand.
Mr. Brandt:
I was actually in favor of overthrowing the Taliban long before 9/11. When they blew up the Buddhas they proved to me that they were dangerous worshippers of ignorance and hatred whose insane religious fervor made them a threat to the world.
Of course, I'm funny that way, I find it hard to imagine an entire administration choosing to ignore an NSA finding titled "Bin Laded Determined to Strike in US" simply because the president was on vacation, too.
And yes I'm aware that wars are full of "friendly fire" deaths on both sides. But the Bush administration wasn't trying to "show some kindness" to Tillman's family by covering up the facts of his death — not when the family made it clear time and again they only wanted to know the truth. The Bush administration was using Tillman as a propaganda too, and that was alal they cared about.
There was sexist language used against Ashley Judd. It was inexcusable.
If the sexist language were used against Palin (as it has been), posters on this thread would be up in arms.
I didn't miss any point. I chose to make an observation.
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