Stand Up Notes From Flyover Country: Cindy Sheehan’s Protest is A-Changin’
by Jeffrey JenaI like finding examples of left-wing media bias as much as the next guy but I suppose that guy would have to be another right-wing nut job like me in order to enjoy it as much as I do. Anyway, over the weekend I was watching all the hype for the big Obama Afghanistan announcement on Tuesday when I saw a little gem of a news story on Headline News. There she was, the former darling of the left-wing press — Ms. Anti-War herself — Cindy Sheehan, leading a huge war protest in front of Travis Air Force Base outside of Sacramento, CA.
Except Ms. Sheehan’s protest really wasn’t all that huge. It looked like Cindy and about seven or eight of her aging hipster friends had gotten some gas money together, made a few signs and a rented U Haul truck for a trip from the Bay Area up to Sacto. I sometimes confuse Cindy’s pals in Code Pink with the pink hats my mother’s old friends in the Red Hat Society wore. Except the Red Hat ladies are out for fun and the Code Pink gals seem to have gotten out of bed on the wrong side. To be honest, I felt a little sad for Cindy. I think I could get more people over to my house for an Amway meeting. I didn’t see how less than a dozen people doing anything would rate national news time. However, Ms. Cindy was getting more airtime on HLN than the entire 9/12 weekend demonstration did, and though we may disagree about how many folks were there, I think we can all agree it was a little more than twelve.
Maybe she was getting face time because there was a counter protest? One old veteran put on his uniform and came out to confront Ms. Sheehan. This guy of about 80 was giving the protesters a severe tongue lashing. To try to silence his dissent, Ms. Peace and Love put her bullhorn about an inch from his face and started shouting. The old guy batted it away was and was instantly demonized for “slapping” Ms. Sheehan. She was demanding to anyone who would listen that he be arrested for assault. Apparently on Planet Sheehan only she has the right to protest.
Then something odd struck me, she and her Code Pink friends weren’t really protesting the war. They were protesting the use of unmanned drones to kill enemy scumbags. To Ms. Sheehan’s credit, until then she had never quit protesting the war. What happened was that she quit getting coverage. When she would show up in Crawford with her ragtag band of merry pranksters they would be outnumbered by adoring media types ten-to-one. She got her sour puss on all the CNN and MSNBC chat fests. Then Obama, the anti- war President happened and all of the media went away. Her camp out at Martha’s Vineyard this past summer during Mr. Obama’s vacation brought one mention and that was on the evil Fox News.
Now her protest isn’t primarily against the President’s lack of action on his promises to the hard left — oh no! Nor is it against the war itself. Her protest is now Obama friendly! In order to get back in the limelight she isn’t protesting the war per se, she is protesting “drones.” I think she actually said something to the effect that the use of unmanned drones weren’t fair. I guess Ms. Sheehan thinks if we need to clean out some rat hole of terrorists we should do it in a more sporting manner.
Now that she isn’t protesting “the war,” which on Tuesday became President Obama’s war, she is back on the good list with the liberal media. I expect to see Cindy and company all around the liberal media on her tour protesting that mean old Air Force and their use of unfair drones. And I wouldn’t hold my breath for any anti-Obama rhetoric making the edit on the mainstream media outlets!
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Using a bullhorn in somebodys face has to be some sort of assault.
She's an ill mannered pathetic person who dishonors her son.
The only good thing Cindy Sheehan ever did was give birth to an true, American hero, Casey Sheehan.
the State Controlled Media at it's finest…
As long as it's the Air Force that's the bad guy- like now the Secret Service is the 'bad guys' in the Gatecrasher thing- not the Obama aide who waved them in.
Yep, nothing like left wingers to show once and for all about not accepting responsibility for your own actions while blaming others is a fine and dandy way to govern.
Incredible. And it'sonly been 10 months. Sheesh…
Riiiiiigh. We are killing "terrorists" with our terrorist drones. Bottom line is this is terrorism by every definition. Imagine that – terrorism as US policy. You guys still won't admit torture was, either, even after undeniable proof was shown to you.
You guys need to step back and look at yourselves. You seem to take Orwell's 1984 as an instruciton manual. Whatever the government says is right. Whatever you are, you aren't conservatives. Neocons, certainly.
Why not go after the Israeli terrorists? That is a nation that was founded on terrorism. Their presense is proof terrorism is effective. So long as it exists you will never win against terrorism.
I was hoping she had gotten the point and moved on to something more constructive. She needs to do a little soul-searching and really figure out, is it the war she DOESN'T like, or is it the media attention she DOES like. I think all of us here know the answer to that. She is now no more relevant than Balloon Boy, although she is just as much of a media whore as was the dad in that case.
Sheehan's appearances never had as many participants as you may have been led to believe. Journalistscovering her were as shameless as the ones covering the "Palestinians" in framing their shots to fit The Narrative.
I think she actually said something to the effect that the use of unmanned drones weren’t fair.
un⋅manned [uhn-mand]
–adjective
without the physical presence of people in control
drone [drohn]
–noun
a person who lives on the labor of others; parasitic loafer.
By definition, Cindy Sheehan is an unmanned drone!
(yes, "unmanned drone" is redundant, but then again, so is Cindy)
I'm so over Cindy Sheehan and the rest of those Loud – mouthed harpies caught in a 1960's time warp.Sheehans son I salute. As for her and the rest of them. I wish there was a way to send a mini drone with a camera on it up in their A$$es to find out what's really bothering them and what's their problem. That… would give them something to really bitch about.
Watching her makes me feel sorry for her. Sheehan is like an elderly lady with alzheimers, talking without really knowing what she is talking about. As soon as the left was done with her, they threw her to the gutter. When she tried to challenge a Democratic seat, the left laughed at her.
I see no malice, just someone lacking in basic common sense, or the abiilty to reason. Looking back, I guess I have always felt sorrow for her, both for her loss of her son, and being used as a political weapon by others. Just a lonely old lady with a bullhorn, wondering why suddenly, her "friends" stopped being her friends.
How tragic.
Hey, Cindy could be yours or mine cleaning lady helper if the media hadn't lifted her above her station. Hum, if I owned a donut store would I put Cindy at the register or the backroom glazing the donuts? See where I'm going with this….she's SO DUMB.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47...
Cindy,
You're fifteen minutes were up months ago. Please return your overage…
Signed, MSM…
I'd a decked the twit.
ho!
well done…
These women in Code Pink do the same thing to people who they disagree with, trying to provoke and pecipitate an altercation. I think they do this in order to cry martyrdom, and become a victim, if they get hurt as a result of their actions.
KILL THEM TILL THEY QUIT!
The fact is that nearly ALL Muslims either directly or indirectly support the terrorist enemies of the US. In WWII nearly ALL Germans supported the Nazi invasion of Europe and Russia, ALL Japanese supported preemptive military action in Manchuria, the Philippines and Pearl Harbor.
Americans knew what to do then, the US and allies bombed much of Germany and Japan to dust until the criminals lost the will to continue fighting and the others lost the will to continue supporting them. It is a very simple plan, and it WORKS!
So, lets quit playing nice nice with our enemies and KILL THEM TILL THEY QUIT! Then we can make amends, Germany and Japan are two of the most successful countries in the world today because THE USA CLEANED OUT THE VERMIN and aided their recovery.
Of course, WWII was the age when Americans were tough and proud of being ONE NATION UNDER GOD, not a bunch of liberal, politically correct, socialist whiny babies!
Corruption in Congress
http://usataxpayer.org/view.asp?Get=corruptcongre...
The flying robot drones help us fight without inflicting harm on our soldiers Cindy, which is what you wanted when you started your protest quest.
Actually, Cindy's time as media darling didn't disappear when Obama became president; it disappeared when she decided the Democrats had just used her to win control of Congress in 2006 and then didn't do anything to stop President Bush's surge in Iraq in 2007. That's when she decided to challenge Nancy Pelosi (from the left) for her seat in Congress in 2008, and that's when she became a leper to the big media outlets.
This latest incident getting on CNN was probably due more to it being a pre-Tiger slow news weekend over Thanksgiving, and Headline News needing something to fill time. She's still on double-secret probation with the media far as becomming their "absolute moral authority" on all things military, until she proves she's not trying to be a spoiler for the Democrats on the left, in some Ralph Nader fashion, in 2010 or for Obama in 2012.
Hey, Two Shoes Tony, mafia wannabe or too stupid to see your moniker irony, trust me there is more torture suffered in bad pizza here than most of our little jihadi guests have ever suffered at our hands at Gitmo.
So, are you saying that somewhere in Europe or the US a life has been lost to Israeli terrorists? Hum, the Munich Olympics………ring a bell?
Waterboarding scum to extract lethal scum plots isn't pretty, but, I'll take it over libtardism which can't even do the terrorist death count math that costs lives.
Your posts are so unbelievably silly, we don't get upset at you; rather, like a bemused adult enjoying the infantile behavior of a two-year-old, your "contributions" evoke mirth.
I guess the only difference is that the infant will hopefully one day mature and be a productive member of society, (unless they become a libtard). In your case, sorrow over your lack of future potential can't stop us from laughing at your expense.
Thanks!
So by your Leftist logic, firebombing Tokyo was terrorism, and scaring terrorists with waterboarding– which worked– and after which they are physically unhurt, is "torture." Given your pansy outlook on our enemies, if and when the jihadies knock on your door, you'll wish all they would do was waterboard you., you idiot.
Strange. She came up my way to promote her new booklet about her theories on robber barons and the corruption of the political elite. Oh and some yammering about it being time for revolution. Her need to have her son's death explained seemed to be over. She gave an interview with our local paper in which she said she was no longer protesting the war. I wonder what gives.
Viva la revolucion Cin.
And she dishonors his name every day, what a shame.
Us guys? You mean Americans?
Where are you from?
Clever!
Who is telling Cindy Sheehan that she's still relevant?
If she really doesnt like "unmanned" drones lets round her and the pink squad up and man a few of them with duct tape.
What should we call them, Liberkazis?
Hey Tony I have some duct tape, I can man one of those drones with your assed taped to the outside if you want.
I guarntee we can get you on You Tube, what do you say?
He's from the planet Libtardus, which revolves in a galaxy far, far to the left.
We have "Women in Black" protesting around here all the time, more like men in drag, but just as annoying as Sheman.
Amen to that, my friend.
she isn't the sharpest tool in the shed…
And this kind of cements it. You can't be for zero casualties and against robots, too. Unless,of course, you just want to be happy and free and dance with the unicorns…
I would never "Man" a woman lake that.
The USS Liberty and the Lavon Affair – ring a bell? King David Hotel. Ring a bell? Brit soldiers kidnapped and killed and their bodies boobytrapped – ring a bell? Probably not since your only source of information is probably the US media which is controlled by Israel. Israel was created and is maintained using terrorism against the rightful owners – the Palestinians. Israel is in violation of the very UN charter that CONDITIONALLY recognized it provided they allowed the right of return…which they aren't. They have illegal WMDs and refuse to sign the NNPT. They won't even define their borders. They are in every regard a rogue, terrorist state.
The response to Munich is a fine example. It is exactly the same as the lynchings that NPR can't go a day without mentioning to impugn Whites. Why can Jews kill Arabs without a trial but Whites can't kill Blacks? You can't keep up with the double standards.
And if you think US tax dollars should be sent overseas in a WELFARE program to foreign commies like Israelis (yes, look up "kibbutz.") then you need to turn in your conservative credentials if you claim them.
No, you don't get it. Your worldview is the infantile one. I used to have it. Think on that.
Tokyo? I think there was a Congressional declaration of war against Japan, no? Can you provide this Congressional act of war against…..PAKISTAN? Your apology will be accepted in a reply, thank you.
LOVE that you mention the "Japs" since they were convicted of TORTURE by using…..hmmmm, what do you call it…..WATERBOARDING against US troops. Hmmmm, dig yourself deeper. LOL! I love it!
If you think waterboarding is ok, then you are ok with your local police station using it….RIGHT?
I don't expect you to recover from the shame of being a three-time loser in this thread but like I said your apologies for wasting oxygen with your stupidity will be accepted.
Jihadis at my door. Hmmm, that's an IMMIGRATION issue. Your neocon God of a President Bush did nothing to control the borders – even allowing Obama's illegal alien aunt to stay here. So much for "security." Bush is interested in INsecurity – making you feel insecure so you hand over your liberties. Geez, you people are thick.
"State" controlled media? Indeed. The media has been willing accomplices in these illegal wars.
The repressed homosexual comments of a typical neocon.
Your arguments might have merit if we were attacking Pakistani civilians. But we aren't. We're killing Al Qaeda and Taliban terrorists. And if we're neocons, you're anti-semitic.
Since time is relative, and linear time an illusion their spirit is aware and accepts the experiance of being blown to h e ll. Besides dead pitiful pigmen make poor witnesses, but great fertilizer for poppies.
uhmmm, she looks like dale rathke (the dufus bigshot from acorn) in that photo…. lol
Her son died doing something he believed in. He voluntarily joined the military to fight the war on terror after 9-11, something that millions of us didn't do, and unfortunately, he was killed. How do you think he'd feel about his mother's actions since his death? I'm betting he wouldn't be too pleased.
I was beginning to wonder about ya Malachi, until I got to the last sentence.
Casualties include both US soldiers and those killed by drones. Unfortunately far too many people think that as long as the US kills them then those deaths don't count. The US occupation of Afghanistan has cost $232 billion dollars so far, has it been a good deal?
only if they secure the pipeline access- and if not us, then who? It'll be worth trillions…
no argument. They are backing Barry's war now…
Actually, as much as most patriotic Americans despise her terrible behavior,
she is obviously trying to deal with some very serious personal problem, unfortunately.
This article has an interesting premise but I don't this the premise is true. It is true that the liberal media has little interest in covering Cindy Sheehan when both the Democratic Congress and the Democratic President have bought the current wars of occupation.
She's still a NUT CASE..and Did nothing to Memorialize her son.. SHE Instead insulted, and dragged the members of the military who were doing their jobs through the mud.
Funny, when Rathke did the interview with Fox News I thought the same thing. They look separated at birth.
I SECOND THIS COURSE OF ACTION………………..
KILL THEM UNTIL THEY QUIT………….
IF WE HAVE TO KILL ALL OF THEM……….
SO BE IT.
She was used and abused by the left and now she's left beside the road as liberal trash. She's really pathetic. I can't imagine being her.
Wah, wah, baby cry.
Get lost with your infantile name calling. Your lies and hatred of Israel too.
This woman is a disgrace to her deceased son.
Sorry Tony, the drone is not the missle, which I assume is what you were getting all hot and sweaty over over when you derived this homoerotic fantasy.
I am not a hater Tony, I respect your lifestyle choice and we can make this missle fantasy that you have happen as well, even a bigger hit on You Tube I would think.
I don't want to sound overly particular, but, Travis AFB is in Fairfield, CA. which is located approximately 45 miles south of Sacramento. But no one here noticed she and her friends either. Not a peep. Not a word from any of the soldiers I work for and with that live on base. She is yesterday's news story now that the Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama and the rest of the "Communitarians" are in charge. I'm kind of surprised they made it to the front gate area in one piece.
They are civilians. There are two classes – miliary and civilians. Labeling someone with some boogeyman term "Al Qaeda" (which is a formation of the CIA, btw) doesn't change a thing. Taliban means "students" and they were the ones that picked up the pieces when we abandoned the Afghans when it was no longer politically expedient to support their opposition to the USSR. It is like calling the Founding Fathers "terrorists."
Go off to Israel if you love it so much. Maybe we need to look at you to see if you are a sleeper agent for Israel like Pollard and Pearl.
I know. It's almost as if they were informed by National Socialism or something.
I've pitied her for a long time.
She's what happens when a hippie is shattered by the sacrifice of a son who had higher ideals and her comrades abandon the empty husk of a person when her usefulness had dried up.
…The dozen people who joined her.
If you live in Europe then maybe we will all get lucky and some muslims (you know the religion of peace) will take a loser like you out with a suicide bomb. The only way a libtard like you will ever admit that we (Americans) are fighting a war against Islamic terrorists is if you or your family are victims of them. So I hope you and/or your family find out real soon. Am I a good christian for saying this? Hell no. I am a realist who wishes you would find out first hand what many of us who have lost a loved one would feel. You are a fool and only a fool will need a strong lesson to teach them.
Ah, Tonieeee. I was wondering where you were, and when you would "grace" us with your presence again. Well, now we know!
"We are killing "terrorists" with our terrorist drones"
Yes we are. And a few associated thugs. And your occasional innocent. It ain't pretty, but it spares the blood.
"You guys still won't admit torture was, either, even after undeniable proof was shown to you. "
While I do agree that it was torture, most agree that what was said to have been done was done, it is just that they don't consider it torture. And to play Devil's Advocate, how do you know?
Define "Torture" for us, in your opinion?
"You guys need to step back and look at yourselves."
You first, Flat Earther.
" You seem to take Orwell's 1984 as an instruciton manual."
I do not know what an "instruciton manuel is." Perhaps it is something we vehemently resist and seek to avoid.
But in any event, I believe you use Mein Kampf and the collected "writings" of Pat Buchanan as your "instruction manuel."
"Whatever the government says is right."
Um, have you REALLY been paying attention recently? You know, we are the Anti-Obama Right, ja?
" Whatever you are, you aren't conservatives. Neocons, certainly."
I do not see the difference, Paleocon swine. And if you are the "real conservatives", count me as proud to NOT be one.
"Why not go after the Israeli terrorists?"
We do. We just don't go after the Israeli GOVERNMENT. And there IS a difference.
" That is a nation that was founded on terrorism."
A. Not really, particularly when the Jewish government spent half its time reigning in its more bomb-happy members.
B. By your criteria, so is the PLO. And Ireland. And Switzerland. And Italy. And Greece. And Turkey. And the modern regime in Vietnam.
"Their presense is proof terrorism is effective."
Nope. It is, if anything, just the opposite. The Zionist terrorists so ticked the British off they probably helped cause the failure of the Balfour declaration and CERTAINLY delayed Israeli independence for YEARS.
" So long as it exists you will never win against terrorism."
Got any PROOF, knave?
"The USS Liberty and the Lavon Affair – ring a bell?"
Yes, they do.
The Liberty was where Israeli planes- PROBABLY having mistaken it for an Egyptian ship with a false flag- attacked the USS Liberty in a tragic accident of war. The Israelis were the first to release the news, and apologized.
And the Lavon Affair was an Israeli intelligence plan against Nasserite Egypt that hinged on sabotaging Western interests and blaming them on the Egyptian nationalists in an effort to curry favor with the West and postpone a looming attack by Egypt. The former failed miserably, and the aforementioned Lavon was rightfully sacked. But the latter succeeded.
Not pleasant, but hardly out of the ordinary.
"Brit soldiers kidnapped and killed and their bodies boobytrapped – ring a bell?"
Yes. An act that was largely condemned by the mainstream Zionists, particularly when it became apparent how counterproductive it was.
"Probably not since your only source of information is probably the US media which is controlled by Israel."
As I am speaking, I am looking at recordings of American media citing that precise incident as an original act of terror that helped create the Palestinian conflict (patently ignoring the actions the Palestinian Arabs committed in 1929, 1936-39, and 1943-45, and 45-48).
You were SAYING?
" Israel was created and is maintained using terrorism"
Already refuted. The mainstream Zionists learned VERY quickly that the actions of charmers like the Stern gang and Irgun did NOT do Israeli independence any favors, and while the Haganah did engage in limited skirmishes against the British, they were mainly busy dealing with the incoming Arab irregulars.
"against the rightful owners – the Palestinians."
Yes. Oh, sorry, I thought you were referring to the PLO. Because "Palestinians" originally referred to… the Palestinian Jews (who have lived there for two millennia, give or take), and the Palestinian Arabs mainly came in during the Arab Conquest at the earliest or more prominently the 1800's/1900's.
"Israel is in violation of the very UN charter that CONDITIONALLY recognized it provided they allowed the right of return."
Proof? And may I point out that the PLO is in even GREATER violation of such charters, and if anything has been far more fanatically opposed to such negotiations?
".which they aren't."
And given the response that happened LAST time, you can forgive them a bit. Or would you be all-so-happy to allow millions upon millions of Mexicans back into the Southwest PERMANENTLY, WITHOUT any allegiance to the US, because their ancestors were displaced (usually voluntarily) after the Mexican-American War?
That is basically what you are proposing Israeli do. Only it isn't limited to the Southwest. It involves THE ENTIRE NATION.
"They have illegal WMDs and refuse to sign the NNPT."
And given the absolute joke the NNPT has shown to be, can you REALLY blame them?
" They won't even define their borders."
Because the first to protest would be PLO-supporters such as yourselves (and DON'T deny it, 'cause I can just see it now: terrorist Israeli state forces borders upon poor oppressed Palestinians without negotiation. TEH HORRER!).
"They are in every regard a rogue, terrorist state."
Save three:
1. They are a modern Democratic Republic.
2. They are (usually) on our side.
and
3. Unlike terrorist states, the Israelis don't exactly feel the compulsion to send their youth abroad on missions of holy wrath for Yahweh. Because the "terrorist" in terrorist state actually means something.
"The response to Munich is a fine example."
So, they whack a bunch of PLO terrorists and an unfortunate, innocent waiter who was mistaken for one. The latter is tragic but normal in intelligence, the former is cause for celebration. And given the fact that the "response" was to the ruthless massacre of innocent ATHLETES far removed from the reigns of power by Islamist terrorists, forgive me if I believe a response was justified.
" It is exactly the same as the lynchings that NPR can't go a day without mentioning to impugn Whites."
Except the Lynchings were a pattern rather than an aberration. And while I do agree that the "racist, evil whites, poor innocent blacks" issue has been played to death, and in many cases where it was unjustified, the bottom line is that there WAS a pattern.
" Why can Jews kill Arabs without a trial but Whites can't kill Blacks?"
And THIS reveals the wrong mindset. Personally, if a group of Caucasian peoples were selected by the government to ruthlessly retaliate against a Black nationalist terror group that was responsible for the murder of several white athletes in a high-profile terror attack based on little more than their nationality and race, I would hardly weep for the terrorists.
But just as I would not cotton to Jews hanging innocent Arabs on the street for no reason, I do not cotton to Whites lynching innocent Blacks on the street because "dey got uppity."
" You can't keep up with the double standards."
Poor poor Tony. You see in Black, White, Yellow, Tan, etc. But I see in Black and White: the innocent versus the Guilty. And that is why you see double standards where there are none.
"And if you think US tax dollars should be sent overseas in a WELFARE program to foreign commies like Israelis (yes, look up "kibbutz.") then you need to turn in your conservative credentials if you claim them."
And…. I take it you are forgetting that the Kibbutz has been marginalized, and no politician that cares to remain viable has proposed bringing it back? And HOW is this different from giving billions to the moneybags of the PLO, Latin America, etc to occasionally throw their people some aid?
Well?
Didn't think so.
Do some research before coming back here.
Pot kettle black, fool.
And yes, YOUR worldview is the infantile one.
"Tokyo? I think there was a Congressional declaration of war against Japan, no?"
And this negates the fact that the USAAF and the Navy caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Japanese noncombatants in indiscriminate attacks HOW?
Last I checked, laws of war don't differentiate between whether a declaration of war was given or not.
So, are you saying that the bombings on Islamist strongholds on the Pakistani frontier are terror attacks, but if we had a Congressional declaration of war, everything would be hunky dory we you?
Your blinds are showing.
" Can you provide this Congressional act of war against…..PAKISTAN?"
Not yet, but I am pretty sure that I can dredge up something from the Islamist Congress of Allah or some other Islamist group declaring their hostility to Pakistan and the West and their allegiance to Al Qaeda. And even if I can't, those attacks would still be justified. Consider: our first operation in Europe during WWII was an attack on the Vichy French North African colonies. Yet we NEVER declared war on Vichy.
Does that make Operation Torch an act of terrorism in your opinion?
"Your apology will be accepted in a reply, thank you"
And WHAT does he have to apologize for?
"LOVE that you mention the "Japs" since they were convicted of TORTURE by using…..hmmmm, what do you call it…..WATERBOARDING against US troops. Hmmmm, dig yourself deeper. LOL! I love it! "
Which is one of the reasons why I do not claim water-boarding is not torture. But I WILL claim it- and other torture techniques- are sometimes necessary in war. As you would know if you had a cursory look at the intelligence wars of the 20th century.
"If you think waterboarding is ok, then you are ok with your local police station using it….RIGHT? "
Only if they have a high-priority target of International interest such as KSM, Osama, Putin, Ho, or some other enemy bigshot. Because while I believe waterboarding should be used if necessary in those cases, I do not support its use willy-nilly.
"I don't expect you to recover from the shame of being a three-time loser in this thread but like I said your apologies for wasting oxygen with your stupidity will be accepted. "
Here's a deal: he will as soon as I get an apology from you for the 40 minutes + of my life I have spent shooting your idioticy down.
Sound fair?
"Jihadis at my door. Hmmm, that's an IMMIGRATION issue."
Not necessarily. You DO realize that plenty of native-born Americans have engaged in the Jihad, right?
" Your neocon God"
He isn't a neocon god. More like a Neocon hero with more than a few flaws. This being one of them.
" of a President Bush did nothing to control the borders – even allowing Obama's illegal alien aunt to stay here."
He did some marginal things, but nowhere near enough. And for that, he deserves criticism.
" So much for "security." Bush is interested in INsecurity – making you feel insecure so you hand over your liberties."
And pray tell me HOW are we handing over our liberties? Specifics. And how is this much different from the previous restrictions of civil liberties used as far back as the Seven Years War?
" Geez, you people are thick."
I cannot speak for anyone else, but I do believe I have to lay off the Fajitas some time. But better to be thick in the gullet than thick in the ignorance.
Again, do your research before making me waste my time here.
"They are civilians."
Nope. Geneva says no, and so does anything else you would care to cite.
"There are two classes – miliary and civilians."
Nope. You have Noncombatants (POWs, civilians, etc), Lawful combatants protected by international law (Western Allies, Russia, China, etc), and Unlawful combatants not protected by international law.
Al-Qaeda is in the last.
"Labeling someone with some boogeyman term "Al Qaeda" (which is a formation of the CIA, btw) doesn't change a thing."
No. But when they go around blowing up mosques and unarmed civilians, THAT DOES change much.
And Al Qaeda was hardly a formation of the CIA. It was formed by Osama's old friends in Pakistan. We just helped with some of the organization and arming during the war against the USSR.
" Taliban means "students" and they were the ones that picked up the pieces when we abandoned the Afghans when it was no longer politically expedient to support their opposition to the USSR."
More or less, yes.
" It is like calling the Founding Fathers "terrorists.""
And some of them arguably were (sorry, but most of the early Sons of Liberty were unlawful combatants who rarely differentiated between civilian and military). But most were not, even in the ugliest battles of the war (like the Civil War in the South).
Again, Do your homework.
"Go off to Israel if you love it so much."
Given the sorry state of the West in this time, you just might force me to. If it survives until i can get packed and on a flight, that is.
" Maybe we need to look at you to see if you are a sleeper agent for Israel like Pollard and Pearl."
Perhaps. But not I (US born and raised, non-Jewish, hardly appreciative of Israeli espionage- even if it may not seem like it-, and with a long record of aggravating Orthodox Jews). And by that same token, perhaps we need to look into you to see if you are a sleeper for Russia or Iran?
Tony! Did you find some new shiney bobble to play with.
Cindy Sheehan and her ilk are the drones
Yeah, I see she still isn't over her son's death yet…
BTW, did 'Bama really say that the Seattle police officer acted "stupidly" by killing the cop-killer Clemmons?
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Boy, you sure said it.
Agreed. After Obama was elected, I read a handful of articles about the Left and the media completely abandoning their former poster-child Cindy and I almost felt sympathy for the way she was "used". I even respected her a little for continuing to stand up for what she believed in.
But, if she has switched to protesting "drones", then she quickly returns to the "disgrace" category.
Cindy Sheehan is anything but "Obama-friendly": <http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/2009/12/...
I'm betting you don't know her son.
Kudos Turtler to destroying brownshirt tony's arguments point by point, he is unable to refute or respond to them, except in using personal attacks.
If she really doesnt like drones lets round her and the pink squad up and man a few.
Liberkazis?
I admit Progressives would probably be worse at this than untrained monkeys, but I am willing to sacrafice a few drones during their training.
There is malice. The people who she works with in Code Pink have given aid and comfort to the enemy, as well as spread lies about US troops on foreign soil in an attempt to inflame our enemy. There have been numerous columns here about the scumbags in that organization, and Sheehan has not only assisted them, she has participated in some of the activities that in any sane country would be called treason.
She spits on her son's memory every day, but more importantly on the memory of other people's children. I have no sympathy for her, and hope she is miserable in her hateful, despicable little vendetta.
I wonder who reads the terrorist their "Miranda Rights" before the Hellfire missiles are fired?
Another anti-Semitic liberal. How, um……typical.
Somebody needs to put this woman in a hospital and evaluate her mental stability!!!
It's all so vapid that you just want to reach out, take her by that nap of greasy hair, yank her head down to the general vicinity of your rectum and let out a huge, nasty balloon of a fart.
Sow the beans, reap the flatus, Cindy.
I feel sorry for her, too. It is not part of the natural order to bury our children, and I have to grant her every right to grieve for her son as long as she needs to and in any manner. I reserve my contempt for those media and celebrities who latched on to her and used her as their own personal PR venue, and then dumped her when she was no longer useful. No doubt, Cindy Sheehan truly believed that these stars cared about her, and the sense of belonging and being part of something was likely a very potent anesthetic for the pain. Using ignorant or vulnerable people for your own purposes is truly contemptible. I hope Levi Johnson takes a good long look at the future if he doesn't smarten up.
"Liberal media blah blah blah. Obama blah blah blah. Anti-war blah blah blah. Cindy Sheehan anti-American blah blah blah."
Ya'll just keep repeating the same talking points over. and over. and over. and over.
Get over yourselves.
Possibly some voices that no one else can hear.
Don't forget around towards the end of Oct. 2001, yes only a little more than a month after 9/11, Biden replied to a question about needing to defeat the Taliban in the four weeks, before the onset of winter that public opinion in the United States and the Muslim world will tolerate continued combat so long as it is action that is mano a mano … going against other forces on the ground. … The part that I think flies in the face of and plays into every stereotypical criticism of us is were this high-tech bully that thinks from the air we can do whatever we want to do, and it builds the case for those who want to make the case against us that all were doing is indiscriminately bombing innocents, which is not the truth.
I should have said "Sacramento Area" Perhaps they couldn't get enough gas money to get all the way to Sacramento.
Too bad Cindy's parents never her play with plastic bags as a child.
another turning point in her 'career' was when she tried to run against Pelosi for not being sufficiently anti-war.
she's actually protesting the use of drones as unfair? holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttt…………….
lemme see if i've got this straight: in order to protest her son's death (in a sense, anyway), she now thinks the war should be fought in such a manner that will put many more mothers' sons at risk? that's beyond shithouse mouse crazy- that's seriously f___ed up.
and as someone once said: "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
I'm military, Cindy get a clue, we don't get paid to be "fair", we're paid to win. We are supposedly achieving National political objectives through military means. Objectives important enough to warrant risking the lives of some of our finest. Ergo,
- I and my subordinates are national assets. I am expected to preserve them to the best of my ability
- I do not get points/raise in pay for taking unnecessary risk (folks who do this are called police officers)
- I do not get points/raise in pay for shooting the enemy in the front
- I do not get points/raise in pay for allowing the enemy the opportunity to shoot first (folks who do this are called police officers)
The military ideal is to kill your enemy and break his stuff from a distance, outside his ability to harm you, and before he is even aware you are there. The goal is to get the enemy to quit.
Fair has nothing to do with it, iit is about accomplishing the mission and hearing the screams of the dying and wounded and which side those dying/wounded are on.
Travis AFB is in Vacaville ("Cow-town" in Spanish), not Sacramento. Close, but no cee-gar.
Just yur typical lib whacko. How many more times does America need to see what these people are?
A small point.. Travis AFB is actually between the cities of Vacaville and Fairfield, CA.. It is also next to Suisun, CA as well. Otherwise good points all.
Do you prefer Reynolds Wrap for your headgear needs, or store-brand?
Amway makes some fine cleaning products.
"Illegal". Ignorant tool.
Both were authorized by joint resolution of Congress with express reference to the War Powers Act. Full compliance with both statute law and the Constitution: legal. QED.
"LOVE that you mention the "Japs" since they were convicted of TORTURE by using…..hmmmm, what do you call it…..WATERBOARDING against US troops"
FALSE. A myth the Left loves to toss around, but untrue.
You are a legal ignoramus. Under the Law of Armed Conflict, there are three categories: noncombatants, lawful combatants, and unlawful combatants. Al-Qaeda belong to the third category, and we (2nd category) are free to kill them.
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