When a Little ‘Profiling’ Might Be a Good Thing
by Jeffrey JenaIt must be great to be a Harvard professor with a bad attitude and be friend of the President. You might get a cool job in Washington D.C. You can also pop off to a cop and then expect the most powerful community organizer in the world to get your back at his next press conference. If you happen to be an African-American Harvard professor with a bad attitude, you can also scream racism and no one left of John McCain will doubt you’re wrong.
I also wonder what kind of lawyers they’re churning out at Harvard when their most well-know alumnus starts a statement with. “I don’t know all the facts.” and then doesn’t immediately follow that with, “So I have no comment.” Instead, he goes on for two or three paragraphs giving the facts as he was told them by his friend, the Harvard professor with a bad attitude, and then reaches a conclusion that the police acted “stupidly.”
What he meant when he said “stupidly” was that the arrest of the friend of the most powerful community organizer in the world was racially motivated. President Obama believes in one of the great myths of progressivism: The police are always wrong and always racist. Many of our progressive friends believe that any time a member of a minority is stopped they must be innocent victims of racial profiling.
What is racial profiling? It seems hard to make the case you’re an oppressed minority when after you mouth off to a cop and get arrested your high-powered mouthpiece gets on the blower to the governor who calls the mayor who calls the police chief — all resulting in the charges being dropped. Meanwhile, you’re on the phone to the only automobile executive with access to nuclear weapons asking him to give you a shout out at the news conference. I wish I had that kind of juice. I can’t beat a speeding ticket in my home town (where I know four of the five top guys in the police department and play golf with the county prosecutor).
I do know this, from the time I was a very young hillbilly living in rural Kentucky, my dad taught me that when you’re stopped by anyone with a badge and gun, you say, “Yes, sir.” and “No, sir.” Especially on a dark country road where there are no witnesses. You do what the cop asks and never lunge for the glove box.
Imagine the cops had acted the way President Obama and other liberals seem to think they should have, but in a slightly different situation. Let’s say you’re African-American and at home asleep with your wife and kids. Meanwhile, someone uses a crowbar to let some fresh air into your place, and this person is also African-American. A neighbor calls the cops and a white officer responds but the burglar (who’s in your house) informs the cop he lives there and that everything’s under control. The white cop says, “OK” and walks away. After you’re found dead will you wish the cops had done a little “profiling?”
After all is said and done, if I were a criminal in Cambridge I know whose house I’d break into tonight. Do you think the cops will even answer the call?
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Well said. If you all want a good laugh, click over on Iowahawks site. I think this one of his funniest and germaine to this topic.
[...] News Sources wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptIt must be great to be a Harvard professor with a bad attitude and be friend of the President. You might get a cool job in Washington D.C. You can also pop off to a cop and then expect the most powerful community organizer in the world to get your back at his next press conference. If you happen to be an African-American Harvard professor with a bad attitude, you can also scream racism and no one left of John McCain will doubt you’re wrong. I also wonder what kind of lawyers they’re chur [...]
Funny, but I don't remember failure to say “Yes, sir” and “No, sir” ever counting as a black mark against Randy Weaver and his gang.
Loved it. "After all is said and done, if I were a criminal in Cambridge I know whose house I’d break into tonight. Do you think the cops will even answer the call?" The funny part, is that cops, being the good guys, will do their job in spite of the insults. They did a couple of pieces over at http://commentarama.blogspot.com/ about this called Stop That Cop which also lets Obama and Gates have it between the eyes.
"between the eyes "?
Uh huh, good idea. The next two people in line are Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi if anything happens to Obama, Whoohooo! Scary thought!!
Whoever would have the gall to so such a thing is going to go to prison. And prison is full of minorities.
Jeffery darling, you father was wrong.
Really wrong.
This incident isn't about race …unless you believe the so called "mainstream media" propaganda.
This case is about the abuse of law enforcement and a lack of education among peace officers.
We are supposed to be a Nation unified by the rule of law and just so you know – you can "mouth off" to a cop anytime you like.
The 4th amendment protects people in their homes and there's no such thing as "disorderly conduct" in your own home.
Disorderly contact is ALWAYS a bogus charge.
This arrest was purely a pride arrest – no less.
Randy Weaver was set up by the Justice Department who intended to blackmail him intobecoming an informant.
Do you see the difference?
Randy Weaver was set up by the Justice Department who intended to blackmail him into becoming an informant.
Do you see the difference?
According to the police report, the disorderly conduct charge came after Mr. Gates followed the officer outside and continued to insult him and call out his mother.
The 4th amendment does not protect people in their homes, it forbids illegal searches and seizures. Through judicial review, the 4th amendment also extends to your personal privacy. The 4th amendment is not relevant to this incident.
Just so you know, you can not "mouth off" to a cop whenever you like anymore then you can mouth of to a judge whenever you like. If anything you say can in any way be perceived as a threat, you are breaking the law. Beyond that, Mr. Gates' words in this situation were grossly irresponsible and, in a more ignorant society, could threaten genuine progress and contribute to the cultural quagmire that is identity politics.
Well Granny I don't know what to say, I've had several crazy acting & sounding people work their way toward me puffing themselves up to do who knows what. The first one smacked me upside the head & a 15 minute fistfight ensued, so you have to be on guard with folks who are unpredictable. Of course I'm sure a Harvard professor would never smack anyone. There's mouthing off, then there's working up to do something crazy. I find it hard to tell the difference sometimes, so I have learned a lot of caution in dealing with people.
He was arrested in his front yard after continuing to yell loudly and draw a crowd. Note that your front yard is not your own home.
Disorderly conduct is an appropriate charge. Had the esteemed Professor not been beligerent he would not have been arrested.
Please pick the nearest local cop at a traffic stop and mouth off to him. Let me know how that works fout or you.
we still cannot understand why Obama waded into this mess…
This was always a lose-lose scenario for The One and it seems the pressure is starting to get to him. He was obviously distressed the other day when the usually relIable Meredith Viera challenged him, and now this. Gates is a particularly unsympathetic character who is determined to get an apology from a cop doing his job.
One wonders just what pressure will be put on him to take the good professor off the hook- or what threats…
When do we have to respect authority. If this was not a cop and this was a Judge can you tell a Judge that he/she is a racist if you are in front of the bench on a matter? If this was a Judge would you be able to inquire about Yomamma? He was lucky that he was dealing with a cop and not a Judge.
This is not a Racism matter this is purely and Elitist matter. A lack of respect for authority. I would like to take a class from Prof. Gates and see how long he would allow me to attend his class if I treated him with this lack of respect!
He took DNA test to find out just how black he was. It turns out he is 57% white and 43% black. He said it was "Horrifying" to find this out. I say: Truth is a Bitch so shut up and cooperate with authority. Stop being a victim of your choices Mr. Gates and be a man. Show some respect as I am sure you request from your students.
Mr. Jena, your hypothetical at the end of your article is exactly the way we need to deal with the Left – using LOGIC, which they sorely lack. This is how you break the trance of a certain amount of Independents and moderates and even average Americans who don't usually care about politics one way or the other.
You ask them a question that they cannot answer and watch them fumble. Rational and reasonable Americans – and I think there are more than we think there are – will start to wake up. If this comment by Obama – so classless and so out and out racist and race mongering – doesn't wake people up, then nothing will.
Sorry dear.
You're wrong
Obama is an idiot. That's why he waded into the mess.
succinct reply…
We cannot offer rebuttal.
Ditch the collectivist thinking.
"Left" "Right" "Libertarian" or "Independent" make for a fake paradigm.
Sorry.
If you can't give me the courtesy of my own name I don't have time for you.
If Gates really thought Crowley was a head-crackin' racist cop, do you think he'd shout it to his face and risk getting the Rodney King treatment? Of course not. His was an unthinking, knee-jerk response to the stereotype that all white cops are racists. Looks like Harvard needs to add a new course to the sensitivity curriculum.
listen, i know it and you know it, what happened at henry's house was ridiculous…on henry's part. who doesn't know that when a police officer starts asking you questions you better be paying attention and hand over your ID? WHO DOESN'T KNOW THIS?! are we to believe that henry had no idea what would happen, that he couldn't even imagine the scenario, if he became belligerent, refused to co-operate and started yelling defamatory remarks about the officer's mother?! henry henry henry. you are a well-educated man, you knew better. the problem you had was that you mistakenly thought you were better than the cop and his interest in sorting the mess out. that, my dear, is where your liberal education has failed you.
There is an infraction called "contempt of court," and a judge can jail you for it. There is no crime called "contempt of cop."
I'm a liberal and I don't have any trouble answering that question. If Gates called in a break-in tonight, the cops would show up as they would for anyone else. Because the police exist to protect citizens, not to pick and choose the ones they like. If they can't live by those rules, they don't deserve the badge.
a caller to the Curtis Sliwa brought this up and it is kind of interesting: how come we havent heard from the 2nd person who was at Gates' house that night? Everyone else added their 2 cents either directly or by lawyer….draw what conclusions come to mind
"I also wonder what kind of lawyers they’re churning out at Harvard when their most well-know alumnus starts a statement with “I don’t know all the facts" and then doesn’t immediately follow that with, “So I have no comment.”
How about the kicker, Jeff? He *knew* Lynn Sweet's question was coming! Unfriggin' real! The arrogance of this man is too much. Let's see how well the apology to Sgt. Crowley goes at the beer-love-fest tomorrow night at the WH. Of course, he may not have any left having used them all during his recent tour of Europe.
I was in a customer's location one night about 2 years ago. I have the keys and my own alarm code. I was called in on an emergency service visit by the manager. The 2 workers who had just left, saw me in the store after they went for a midnight meal…they called the police who just happened to be right outside who had pulled over a taxi …I used the restroom for a sec and came out to see NYPD outside the door with a 9mm unholstered. Even proving to them who I was, my own key, alarm code and 3 forms of ID they still werent sure. Gates was a whining little POS. Nothing more.
How many times have ex-husbands or ex-wives gone back into homes where they used to live with revenge on their twisted minds? Sgt. Crowley had a whole bunch of things to consider when he went to that house and SAW A DAMAGED DOOR. Professor Gates had far more to do than present ID and yell about "yo Mama". In my jurisdiction Gates would have been hauled in on interfering with an Officer charges and they would have stuck.
And, yes, if there is a call to that house again, the bluesuits will show up, hopefully though, with an inexpensive digital recorder in a pocker.
I really do hope Sgt. Crowley stays firm on this, as he did nothing wrong. I'm not sure if you saw the link from the interview he did with the Boston TV station. He mentions not looking for an apology from Gates although, IMAO, it would go a long way if he did receive one.
I predict they'll be lots of photos of the two men shaking hands, over suds but if I were a betting man, I'd say Gates won't apologize. As for our prez? Who can say? I wonder if he'll be on or off script?
Stay tuned…
Professor Gates was an expert on racial relations. Doesn't anyone see how self-serving this whole event is? Actions that he precipitated resulted in himself and his chosen field being thrust to the front of society. Enrollment in his classes will probably go off the charts, and his eventual book will be a best-seller. If this hadn't happened, most people (myself included) would never know who this guy is, or care. He saw an opportunity to prove his own case (or at least make it look that way), and make some money along the way.
Mr. O's press flack says that tonight's meeting with Sgt. Crowley and Professor Gates is meant to be a "teaching moment." For whom?
As I see it, the only solution to this and future problems like it is to simply stop allowing white people to fill law enforcement positions. They cannot be trusted to make rational, prudent judgements due to their congenital predispostion toward racism and bigotry. That has been proven beyond all doubt. The only recourse that makes sense is fill all law enforcement ranks with blacks and various other minorities and oppressed underclasses. Then the world will be a better place. Then everything will be okay. Trust me.
(Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.)
Oh, for goodness sakes. You can't mouth off to a cop, don't be silly.
And if you're one of those cute little troll things, go be silly some place else where someone MIGHT take you seriously!
Clowns like Gates live for self-aggrandizement. But enough about him (seriously, enough, don't feed it kids, don't feed it).
As for profiling, well that's just good police work. Plain and simple. Walk a mile in a cop's shoes and you get what I'm talking about. If you can't do that, talk to one of them. I've found some are more than glad to shoot the stuff to those willing to listen.
See, kids, it's called education. It promotes genuine understanding, and will help us all pull ourselves up out of this quagmire of blissful ignorance.
What kind of lawyers are they turning out at Harvard University?
Constitutional experts like Obama and Sotomayor.
Ya know what is confusing – the fact that if the woman who dialed 911 had seen the color of the guys she thought may be breaking into the home and then, when asked, told the operator what color they were, she would then be labeled a racist? That good samaritan should thank her lucky stars she did not see them. Can you imagine how that innocent act would have propelled her into the "Hall of Nasty Racists" for life?
We have fallen thru the looking glass.
If I was black, I think I would press to have statistics published that show racial profiling does not work as a law enforcement tool. Publish murder, rape, assault and robbery conviction rates as a percentage of the regional population. I'm certain the results would discredit profiling. Instead, the police can use statistical inference.
Is one race "better" or "smarter" than another? It should be obvious that there are cultural differences between races. Send a bunch of smart whites down to Haiti to poke voodoo dolls for a few generations, and similarly send a bunch of blacks to some highly educated environment like Cambridge, and in a few generations the highly achieving blacks will be profiling the whites. It's not only human nature, but proof that the primary problem with being black in America has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with behavior. If I were black I would not be pointing accusatory fingers at whites, but at the too-large percentage of blacks who refuse to take responsibility for their own advancement, and who denigrate their race and degenerate their gene pool with despicable behaviors. It is a cultural issue, and the race component has been exploded way out of proportion. Blacks will continue to suffer second class-citizenship in this country as long as the values of industry, self-reliance and respect for education that made this country great are not embraced by the majority of the black community. Gates would probably accuse me of being a racist. That is the "stupid" part of his mentality. I have black friends and acquaintances that sometimes I don't even remember are black. I judge people on behavior, not skin color – - and probably most whites feel the same. The true racists are those who keep on harping on racism and hoping to find racist behavior to justify their obsessions.
Indeed. There seems to be an inconvenient fact there somewhere.
Just like you don't hear much about the fact that one of the arresting officers – who backed up Crowley's story completely – was black.
Plenty see right thru him. He is writing a book or has a "documentary" coming out. How convenient.
How could you not have known him? He is the self proclaimed, most important, well recognized professor in America! Get with the program Brian.
wr1,
I'm a little confused, what exactly is your point?
Just wondering, does that cover a rental?
Taser, anyone? "DON'T TASE ME, DUDE", sound familiar?
I love how all these know-nothings yap on wit their academic suppositions.
I've interacted with a cop or two in my younger days, and I can guarantee you that if a cop tells you to "Stand over there and be quiet" and you keep yelling at him, by the third time he tells you to "Stand over there and be quiet" if you don't do what he says, he will slap some handcuffs you. Now, you may or may not get charged, but the bottom line is that he is there doing a lawful investigation and you are impeding his ability to do so. I've seen guys claim to know the police chief, I've seen guys standing on the sidewalk running their mouths about being citizens and having the right to say whatever they want, etc.
I've seen guys takien to a holding cell and then just let go no charges filed. But the bottom line is that no cop anywhere is going to let some sh*thead scream at him at him endlessly.
That's a real learning moment.
I love how all these know-nothings yap on with their academic suppositions.
I've interacted with a cop or two in my younger days, and I can guarantee you that if a cop tells you to "Stand over there and be quiet" and you keep yelling at him, by the third time he tells you to "Stand over there and be quiet" if you don't do what he says, he will slap some handcuffs you. Now, you may or may not get charged, but the bottom line is that he is there doing a lawful investigation and you are impeding his ability to do so. I've seen guys claim to know the police chief, I've seen guys standing on the sidewalk running their mouths about being citizens and having the right to say whatever they want, etc.
I've seen guys takien to a holding cell and then just let go no charges filed. But the bottom line is that no cop anywhere is going to let some sh*thead scream at him at him endlessly.
That's a real learning moment.
Granny dear, why would a sweet thing like yourself want to go around advocating bad moral behavior, hmmmm?
Grannies are supposed to teach good moral ethics, like being polite to one another, and respecting authority- those kinds of things.
Guess you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.
If that cop goes to any such meeting, he is a fool. He is being used. If they want a beer with him, they sould fund a barbeque at the precinct, so they can apologize to ALL the cops they insulted. The officer is in charge of the narrative until he walks into the white house, he's screwed from then on. A statement will be made about past problems that will link the officer to the racist policies of the disgusting men hassling him from positions of power.
Impeach THE ONE for abuse of power and terrorizing the citizenry, especially the elderly under his death-care bil.l
Let's put it to the test then. Next time a cop pulls you over for speeding, get up in his face and let us know what happened next. Okay?
I see that last line was already taken- sorry, I used a similar one above before I read yours. Great minds think alike, I guess!
If this helps, I heard a report that it was his driver, who had left after helping break in, but before the police arrived.
Thats what I heard…
thats my story, and I'm stickin' to it!
Well said! The irony of that test is delightful…
And 'Disorderly Conduct' can pretty much cover whatever the officer wants it to cover.
Trust me, my experience is first-hand with the cuffs on.
My dear,
I'm not advocating "bad moral behavior".
On the contrary I believe in the rule of law.
Being polite has nothing to do with acting within the confines of the law.
In so far as "respecting authority" …you need to ALWAYS question authority.
"The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse. " James Madison
I'll grant that we can and should question authority when needed- we question this administration every day, you know! I just don't believe in the "in your face"
approach. We've taught our three kids to respect and support our law officers. Never interrupt them, show anger or belligerence, and always do exactly as they say. In other words, do the exact opposite of what Prof. Gates did.
[...] Read the original [...]
Very good!
Then I do hope that you are questioning Washington, D.C., right now, Granny Miller.
He waded in by accident. He thought he'd be walking on on the water.
My dear,
you may be interested in watching this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wE2rlgv4Ro
My dear,
Here's an education.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wE2rlgv4Ro
Start watching at 2.20.
Love, Granny
It what I'm living for
Dear Granny
Does that include the authority of Obama?
Sweetheart,
You may want to grow up fast. You' could end up in a FEMA detention camp a la New Orleans with that kind of mealy mouth attitude.
Please consider the action and example of of Founding Fathers and Mothers when faced with a tyrannical government and a blatant disregard for the Natural Law.
What do you suppose would have happened to our Founding Fathers if they had never interrupted , showed anger or belligerence, and always did exactly as they the British said?
Our Nation wouldn't be here and we'd still have a king.
We are Americans – not stupid sheep.
Know you rights. Believe me professor Gates knows his.
Take the time to rediscover your heritage. Now is a good time to begin to instruct your children about their birthright – Freedom & Liberty.
Well "darling" and/or "dear" (condescending much?), just my 2-cents as one of those abusive, uneducated peace officers….
I am a LEO in North Carolina so I have to refer to NC law. I realize that this incident occurred in Massachusetts, but I think I could give you a little perspective.
First, I guess it all depends on what you define as "mouth off" to a cop to be. In NC, you can say whatever you want to the police or ANYONE for that matter as long as you don't use abusive language, profanity or threats of physical violence. The first two are covered in the NC General Statute "Disorderly Conduct by Abusive Language" (there is also a "disorderly" charge dealing with alcohol but I don't believe that is a factor in the Gates case). The third scenario falls under "Communicating Threats".
As far as "disorderly conduct" in your own house, well, you got a problem there, Granny. From the reports, Gates was OUTSIDE his house when he was arrested. A common mistake that people make is that they can be standing in their yard and not get arrested for disorderly conduct. The simple explanation for this is that even though you are at your own residence, if you are OUTSIDE the physical structure of the house, you are essentially in the public's view and/or earshot. Even more simple, you can't cause a ruckus and distract your neighbors. So, the fact that Gates was raising cane to the point that people were stopping in front of the house because of a DISTURBANCE means that (according to NC law) he could be charged.
So, in short, if Skip had let it go, stayed inside and called his buddy Al Sharpton and complained about that cracker cop, he would have been handcuffless. But, oh well.
Again, I'm not sure what the laws (statutorily speaking) are in Kennedy-land, but they may be close. I don't know.
I did have one question as to why the charges were dropped on Gates so quickly. Was it a bad arrest? Maybe. I wasn't there along with Barry O. But, just for hoots and giggles, suppose it WAS a legit arrest. And JUST SUPPOSE that afterwords, Skippy called someone at Hah-vard, and someone at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave got wind and called someone ELSE at Hah-vard and then someone at the Cambridge PD got a phone call….and then, oh, I'll let you fill in the blanks.
From what I've seen and heard about Sgt Crowley, he doesn't seem to be a cop who charges frivolously. Again, I may be wrong.
The only thing I DO know is that Skippy is a friend of the "One". Said "One" has a rather lengthy history (not available at MSNBC) of "helping" his friends. (COUGH! STIMULUS PAYOFFS!! COUGH!! CUSHY DIPLOMATIC POSITIONS TO SUPPORTERS!! COUGH!! COUGH!! LOBBYISTS LYING AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE LIKE CORD WOOD!!!) Sorry…..had something caught in my throat.
Oh…and one more thing. If you want to refer to the Bill of Rights when trying to smear the brave men and women who put on a badge and protect EVERYONE (yeah…even YOU. Sigh.) at least refer to the correct amendment.
If…IF you had a point it would make more since when dealing with the 1st Amendment (I would tell you what it pertains to, but if you did not look it up for yourself, you would never learn). A 4th Amendment violation may have been valid if he snatched Skippy from his bathroom without a warrant or probable cause (another term: look it up). IT wold appear that Sgt Crowley may have had enough probable cause to arrest Gates when he was outside. And before you say, "BUT!" you can have enough PC (not political correctness) to arrest but it does not always mean the case will go to trial or even indictment.
One more comment before I go eat my dinner….
You even refer to LEOs as "peace officers" in your post. Keep that in mind. We "keep the peace". That peace was broken by a racist, elitist pal of the Community Organizer-in Chief. Of that, there is no question. Just try to put yourself in Sgt Crowley's position before you besmirch him and every other hard working, honest police officer in this country. Or would that be too "conservative"?
Jeffery,
Sorry I'm not sure what you mean.
If you mean do I recognize the limited power of the Executive branch of the federal government – well yes – I recognize the authority and the office of the President of the United States.
agreed…
It does reek of a set up- they are so busy writing the outcome to this that anything short of a mea culpa by the good Seargent would be seen as a crushing defeat. We wouldn't trade places, that's for sure…
Ho! best line of the day…
President Obama without knowing the facts called the police stupid.
Jimmy, the point of the meeting is not for an apology to Sgt Crowley. Gates and Obama have already staked out their position that Crowley racially profiled Gates, and thus he is the guilty party.
The Won has NEVER apologized for his mistakes, and Sgt Crowley will be placed through the White House wringer by Rahm Emmanuel, Eric Holder and Obama, while Gates laughs.
The meeting to teach a lesson…to Crowley.
I've said basically the same thing about a real break-in at Professor Gates' house to my husband. If something else happens, and theoretically, I, am the policeman who responds….. I'd be awful slow getting into that house to make sure nothing happens to the sweet little Professor.
Here's an example of political madness "Bank Robber escapes after liberal 911 caller refuses to give complete description of offender", http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/search/label/...
Here's an example of political madness "Bank Robber escapes after liberal 911 caller refuses to give complete description of offender", http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/search/label/...
blueknight99-
Glad I got your attention – but don't make assumptions about me.
Please follow the link on my name to go directly to my other blog Mrs. Powel.
http://drfranklinwhathaveyougivenus.blogspot.com/
I want you and every other LEO to see today's Richard Mack interview and post.
If you don't know about Oath Keepers, I would be very pleased to have you click the link on the left hand side bar and learn more.
You might be interested in watching the YouTube vid that I posted for Kath above. It's judge Judge Andrew Napolitano and Richard Mack weighing in on the issue.
You can thank me later dear.
You know things have really gotten out of hand when stuff you make jokes about actually happens in real life.
I like your post, blueknight99.
Next time you're pulled over and the officer asks if you know why he pulled you over, which is often a rhetorical question since you damn well you were speeding, think hard for a second or three, and answer…because I'm Black?
Next time you're pulled over and the officer asks if you know why he pulled you over, which is often a rhetorical question since you damn well know you were speeding, think hard for a second or three, and answer…because I'm Black?
Hey Granny Miller…Your arrogance should astound readers, but unfortunately, it's par for the course these days. Apparently, your father (and most likely your mother) forgot to teach you manners…your condescending attitude does NOT count as politeness and is not seen as such to anyone who utilizes their brain!
Sure, you can "mouth off" to an officer anytime you like…just be prepared to spend a little time in the gray bar hotel. It will be a well-deserved wake up call for you. And hopefully, the ACLU will be too busy working on their multitude of bogus reverse-racism cases to help you out!
Uh-oh, you made granny testy – no milk and cookies for you!
Hey Jim,
I'm no big fan of Barack Obama, however I've noticed you continue to post the same comment, over and over, the president called the police stupid.
He stated the police 'acted stupidly' which is a different statement.
dont forget Harvard Professors who use the "yo momma" line. and you have to hope Crowley doesnt come out of the WH with a different take on the whoe thing. It wouldnt shock me one bit.
This is the mindset of these people!
Now THAT is sarcasm! Man, could you imagine publishing the actual statistical crime states by race! Here's just one fun fact, kids, easily checked at the justice department and FBI:
Blacks at 12% of the population, 64 % of all violent crime, 71% of all robberies.
This is why they feel like victims. Most crime against them is by other blacks!
As long as the black population keeps following the racist policies of the democrat party, designed to convince them they can't live without their help, they will not progress like all the foreigners that have come here recently and used capitalism to by-pass the black community economically. Even THE ONE just kicked them in the teeth in Washington by cutting a program that was showing great progess in teaching black children. The racists in the teachers unions and THE ONE himself DO NOT WANT AN EDUCATED BLACK COMMUNITY, IT IS BAD FOR THEIR POLLS!
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com
REALLY! Man, I was gettin' juiced on that vibe, dude, like you had a plane of existence flowin' there, and I was just groovin'it , ya' know the world peace from it and all, and then like, you know, you just pulled the plug, dude. What a bummer…
(Me, too.)
there are none so blind as those who refuse to see…
What are you talking about?
His failure to say "yes sir" and "no sir" resulted in the authorities shooting at him and killing his wife.
"My dad taught me that when you’re stopped by anyone with a badge and gun, you say, 'Yes, sir.' and 'No, sir.'
Oddly enough, no one taught me that. I figured it out on my own.
Granny Miller seems like she is a little detached from reality. If Obama's Hellth sCare goes through, ole Granny will be on the "put 'em on hold 'till cold list" — not gonna waste money on the detached and demented elders.
It depends on whether the teleprompter gets doused with beer or not. It might just burp and fall off its stand.
Well….(cough!)…Dear:
First, insofar as "making assumptions", allow me to retort with the "I calls 'em likes I sees 'em" argument. If you wanted a reasoned, sarcasm-free debate perhaps you should have left off the "dears" and "sweethearts". You may have been shooting for "Aunt Bee" but you come across as anti-social. But anyhoo…
I did go to your site. Interesting. I was also familiar with the "Oath Keepers". I agree with the principles of the group but I also believe in the rule of law. That's why I became, uh…you know…a cop. If our situation gets worse (brown shirts, "re-educations camps", etc…) then I'll go all "Red Dawn". Until then, allow me to impart some wisdom from yet another beloved 1980s film: Sergeant Hulka: "Lighten up, Francis" ('Stripes', 1981).
Not a big fan of Ron Paul (isolationism gives me a rash). Also, I have been following the tenor of your posts on this site and "Mrs. Powel". I sense you are NOT a fan of pretty much ANY authority.
I can assure you and anyone else who may be thinking of scrawling "WOLVERINES!" on the side of the high school gym: The VAST majority of cops in this country are honest, hard-working men and women who believe in what they are doing. We are paid to protect the innocent. That includes the people who may not necessarily agree with your political leanings or mine. In short, I don't know too many officers who go to work wearing jack boots and who specialize in "disappearing" folks.
Granny. I hope you don't believe that everyone who yells, screams and carries on to the chagrin and dismay of law-abiding people are "speaking truth to power" or are "standing up to fascism". Sometimes, folks raise hell and cause a disturbance for no other reason than they are loud, obnoxious jerks who think they don't have to interact with the rest of society in a civil manner. We call them Harvard professors. KIDDING!
Well, time for bed. Cheers.
PS: I missed your comment above about "FEMA camps"….sigh. Double sigh.
I am startled by the stupidity of people who do not understand the protocol that police follow when there is a possibility that someone illegally entered a home.
First of all, they might ask the person to step outside. This is to safely ask for ID and if there is anyone else in the house. A number of scenarios could be ongoing: Someone could be a hostage, or someone in the house may be threatening the victim. Or the person that was encountered may himself have a gun.
Just because someone tells the officer that he owns the house, he still has to provide proof that he rightfully lives there. If the person refuses to ID himself and put up an argument, then other action must be taken.
Late last night, I did hear that it was a taxi driver..that might explain it
Why do Granny's responses make me think of "I'll get you my pretty, and your little dog too"? And some of the other trollish responses also bring to mind flying monkeys. It's a Over The Rainbow kind of night.
That is rubbish. I have not ever met a black person who was not absolutely delighted to have white blood, including myself. He's been advertising his "whiteness" for years, his white wife, the whole thing. Stop believing everything people say.
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I'm very happy that you know about Oath Keepers.
May God Bless and Keep you.
Non intervention and isolation are not the same thing.
George Washington's Farewell Address, Section 33- 42 in particular are good counsel.
Should be required reading in Congress.
I believe in the Rule of Law and I do recognize legal authority.
But I also understand my civil rights.
Fact of the matter is under Massachusetts law and federal law – standing in your home or on your own property and throwing a childish temper tantrum is not illegal.
That's the reason that the charges were dropped.
It had little or nothing to do with race, Obama or anything else.
Now if professor Gates tries to cut his number at a traffic stop or in PUBLIC that's a horse of different color.
I certainly hope he'll will be charge with disorderly conduct. No person my disturb the peace or make public nuisance of themselves.
Bottom line is Officer C. was frustrated & angry ( not to mention underpaid & over worked), but never the less , had no legal means to make an arrest.
This has been a fun thread.
I didn't realize so many people formed their world view from TV – Fox News in particular.
I find it disheartening that a basic understanding of the Bill of Rights is lacking many poster's comments.
So much for the state of public school education
It's been instructive for me to see that a strong difference of opinion and the use of the words "darling" "dear" by an older woman as arrogance or trolling.
Oh well – I'll go back to my canning and chickens and try not to be bother any more.
What kills me is that this has nothing to do with profiling. Mr. “I have a million degrees” lacked the one degree when it came to this situation…the degree of common sense.
Also, when these incidences occur in the hood, guess what happens? Crime goes up do the cops don’t what to deal with the hassle of doing their jobs in the hood. Does that make sense? I cop hates black people so much that he works in an all black neighborhood.
Which are precisely the points Sgt. Crowley made in reference to the situation with Mr. Gates. Great interview with local Boston TV station if you or others haven't yet seen it:
http://wn.whdh.com/global/video/popup/pop_player….
Asking Mr. Gates to please step out onto the porch, to talk, was for the protection of both men.
Jeffrey, great article…. and I am floored at the amount of people crying foul play that the cop asked to see any form of ID….They are all crying racist COPS!!! it is pathetic
I was raised in similiar fashion to you…. Yes sir and No sir….I was proflied along time ago because I was wearing a YANKEES jacket…. and I fit the description and I did nothing wrong and knew I would be let go…. about 10 minutes after the policeman asked for ID he let me go and explained it all to my parents… that is the LAST run in I had with the police and I am fine with that!!
So, if you believe in questioning authority, do you question Obama's authority to fire the CEO of GM? Do you question his authority to seize control of 1/6th of our economy thru his obamacare bill? Do you question his authority on anything?
Or do you just get down on your knees like he did to the Saudi tyrant?
President Obama had no legal authority in your above examples.
Our entire federal government is out of control and the Executive branch has gone completely renegade.
Obama is just a turd in the Washington punch bowl .
The real fault lies with Congress.
Congress has the legal means and the power to restore our Republic.
But they won't.
Congress has refused to act within the bounds of the U.S. Constitution because almost every member has been bought and paid for by large multi national corporations or special interest.
I'm sorry to say Washington for the most part is irredeemable.
I believe the Republic can no longer be restored at the national level.
It is way past time for the States to reclaim the 10th Amendment.
WE THE PEOPLE of the STATES created the federal government – not the other way around. .And WE THE PEOPLE can put an end to the federal government.
Wrong, dummy. He was arrested on his front porch.
So the arrest still took place at his house. And even if it were his front yard, those are still his premises, thus protected under the law.
The police had no jurisdiction and are therefore WRONG!!!!
But that's neither here nor there. You just like seeing black people chained up.
Nitwit.
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