The Media: Wrong on Jackson, Wrong on Palin
by Jeffrey JenaI have been driving around the Midwest for the last six days with my son playing golf, watching baseball games, visiting old friends and doing a few shows. There are a lot of benefits to this well-timed vacation. The weather was perfect and I missed the entire hullabaloo known as the Michael Jackson memorial. I didn’t see a minute of the lead-up coverage, the “service,” or the postmortem, no pun intended.
I was listening to evil talk radio in the car and did hear and read a number of reports on the event. Depending on whom I was listening to, it was a freak show/circus, a fitting memorial or “not as bad as I thought it might be.”
I always thought of Mr. Jackson as a talented singer/dancer/songwriter who had poor impulse control. I thought this was due to the fact that the leeches and toadies who depended on him for money never said one simple word to him: “No!” Apparently I was very wrong! Until I heard and read reports from his memorial, I was unaware of his role in our society as everything from a civil rights pioneer to basketball coach. Martin Luther King Jr. and Pat Riley, take a break, the king of pop has got your back. I heard he was quite the philanthropist too; although there isn’t a Michael Jackson Foundation, he did at one time donate a reported $22 million to a single California family.
The weekend before the deification of Mr. Jackson, there was another small media event which got a lot of coverage: the resignation of Sarah Palin. If you still have any doubt that there is a vast left-wing media conspiracy in this country all you need to do is look at the coverage of these two people and these events by alleged journalists.
On Tuesday, July 7th the Chicago Tribune featured a half page mocking Ms. Palin by Rob Manker on page three. Page three is usually where one might find the hard news of the day, but not in the Trib when there is a conservative to be skewered. Did this paper give the same kind ribbing to Mr. Jackson at any point?
I use the Chicago Tribune only as an example. The general tone of the reporting of these two events from television to the New York Times was to elevate and rehabilitate the reputation on Mr. Jackson and to denigrate that of Ms. Palin.
The real divide in this country is not political but cultural. As far as I know Michael Jackson was not political. I doubt if he even voted in the last election. The picture of him coming out of the voting booth may have shown up somewhere. He may have voted absentee but I am pretty sure if he had voiced an opinion on the election it would have been reported. Yet the media holds up this man as an icon to be admired. A talented man who lived an extremely degenerate and narcissistic life is not only exonerated but also held up and praised.
Sarah Palin, a woman who has served God, her country, and raised a family is mocked. Why? Bcause she doesn’t fit the stereotype that the media prefers for successful and powerful women. She is from humble origins and has worked for everything she has gotten. The real sin of Ms. Palin is that she is not only a conservative but a devout Christian. To the east coast, Ivy League, taxicab progressives, allowing morality into government is the greatest stupidity.
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Jeffrey – the media is wrong on just about everything. I am glad to see you are !) a golfer and 2) Playing golf with your son. That is incredibly good news on an otherwise dreary morning in East Tennessee.
Welcome back. Yeah, you didn't miss much. A few PDS screes on Palin. A memorial for an accused pedophile.
The odd thing is that Pelosi has shot down a resolution to honor Michael Jackson.
Other than that, a fairly uneventful week.
I never understood the adulation for Jackson that was being heaped on him the last week. This is the same guy who writes "We Are The World" to help feed the poor around the world (by the way, how's that working out?) but then spends hundreds of millions of dollars on himself (that shopping spree during the Geraldo interview a number of years ago was enough to make me throw up). Maybe I don't get it but I really think I do.
We live in a media culture of Celebrity Worship, as exemplified by the first American Idol president.
Jeffery, you didn’t miss much really an obscene public servicing of a Pop culture Icon, and the continued public assassination of a decent hard working self-made American woman. Expect some real troll action Jeffery, you have mentioned a dreaded threat to their Messiah, “Sarah Palin.”
"The real divide in this country is not political but cultural." You are correct sir, however not all Democrats are cultural deviants, all cultural deviants are Democrats.
My father-in-law's take on Jackson was always one I found compelling. He believed that Jackson never truly had a childhood, and was attempting to have one belatedly. The more I thought about that, the more it made sense. There's a reason his ranch was called Neverland. He never grew up.
He never had a childhood, but then he never had an adulthood either. It's really a sad tale. Just think of what might have been, had he been taught to reign himself in. Instead of becoming destructive to himself and others, he could've continued to make music and tour. He was an excellent showman. He could have continued to bring entertainment and joy to people.
Instead, he kept trying to be something he wasn't. And to add to the tragedy, others are now trying to do the same. I neither love him or hate him. I simply pity him.
"The real divide in this country is not political but cultural." You are correct sir, while not all Democrats are cultural deviants, all cultural deviants are Democrats.
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Most folks do better with the media after they die. With MJ, this is of course, simply crazy. But, that allows the media to gloss over BO and his Marxist agenda.
BTW-If you don' adore MJ now, you sir, are worse than Hitler and and a racist too!
The more hysterical the mainstream media becomes about Sarah Palin, the better. It shows just how much they fear her.
That isn't exactly a new idea, inasmuch as it is what everyone says about him and what Michael said himself, both openly and by calling his home "Neverland".
Ha!
BTW, to what race did Jackson belong?
No one, obviously. You are an outsider.
to a certain extent i'm sure that's true. a friend of mine used to be a neighbor of the Jackson's way back when the Jackson 5 was just getting some attention. his kids played with the younger ones. he once told me that after having their fun cut short again to go home for practice or rehearsal, little Janet (who was probably all of 5 or 6 at the time), told his kids they were lucky because they didn't have to 'work' all the time.
but on the other hand, lots of performing families go thru the same thing without anybody turning into a certified wacko…
c'mon, admit it- it's really only exacerbating a pre-existing condition…
It seems Sarah Palin is a kick to the crotch of liberals
But to conservatives she is a shot in the arm.
More like a skin irritation…like poison ivy. And just when you think she's gone, there's that darn need to scratch again…
Michael Jackson was a pop culture figure who died. Generally in this culture when people die, it is mostly their accomplishments that are remembered. You might want to cast your minds back to the coverage of the deaths of Reagan and Ford and try to remember if there was more than a single negative note about either of them.
Sarah Palin did not die. She's a polarizing political figure who during her candidacy made many speeches in which she claimed that only those who shared her — and your — political philosophy were "real" Americans. And then she quit her job as governor because it was hard and no fun and she'd rather cash in while she can.
Over time, the coverage of the two will balance out. People will stop gushing over Michael Jackson. And they'll take the time for a serious study of Palin — and laugh themselves sillyt.
You wish, liberals can't help themselves but be a-holes when her name is mentioned.
Here, I'll show you: Sarah Palin…
Can't wait for your a-hole response!
Maybe, but so many of the things that bother your side are enjoyable to mine.
It never ceases to amaze me how much liberals absolutely HATE Sarah Palin. The venom is completely unprecedented. I can't recall anyone ever getting this much hate not named Manson…..
And it's so easy to send a liberal into a foaming at the mouth temper tantrum…..
Those things would be backstabbing your constituents, betraying your country, bowing to propped up warlords, enslaving people on welfare in the name of 'helping,' destroying careers in the name of politics, and essentially being as anti-human as one could possibly be…right?
I don't watch a lot of t.v., but you couldn't help but hear about the Jackson Memorial last week. I have a wonderful friend (since 7th grade). She's as conservative as they come, but now all of a sudden she thinks MJ is "innocent" and is constantly posting stuff about him on her Facebook page. I know that it isn't proper to criticize the recently dead, but this "Sainthood" marathon is ridiculous.
"And then she quit her job as governor because it was hard and no fun and she'd rather cash in while she can."
One question: What color is the sky in your world??
Oh honey, I laugh NOW – at how easily she puts the Leftards to shame by living according to how she believes. The Leftards hate her because she walks the talk…whereas the Left likes to talk but theyll be damned if they are caught actually LIVING the life they prescribe for others. Yes, I laugh at how Leftards run screaming because someone finally puts the fear of God into them…as they deserve!
Oh, I agree, but it does much more than that.
It shows how hate-filled they are towards the average person. How much they hold American Values in contempt. With Sarah Palin, they can't hide their elitist and bogus attitudes about us.
This last week wasn't an eye-opener for me. Just a confirmation of what the MSM considers us to be. Rubes and hicks.
"She is from humble origins and has worked for everything she has gotten." So was MJ and did MJ.
Excellent point, Joelim. I couldn't agree with you more. What the media, pundits, and late night talk show hosts don't understand is that every time they insult Sarah Palin, they're insulting everyone without a Harvard law degree, connections, and rich uncles who've been in politics for 100 years. I hope their hate-mongering continues. It really highlights those important differences.
It was a little disturbing to see these two linked in a post.
Except that MJ used his money and power to procure little boys for his bedroom.
Whoa Dude,
Do you ever research facts for yourself?
absolutely true.
It is interesting to see the different outcomes.
Well, one of my comments was removed by the administrator. Silly me. I should watch my writing.
That is an excellent point.
Interesting and sad in the case of MJ.
Nixon, Reagan and GWB.
More than disturbing. One of my comments about got erased. Something about using power to get something.
It wasn't about Palin.
Sharon, please elucidate: 1. Who is backstabbing constituents and how? 2. Who betrayed their country? 3. Who bowed to propped up warlords? 4. Who enslaved people on welfare in the name of 'helping'? 5. Who destroyed careers in the name of politics? 6. Who is anti-human? Not clear from your post who you are tagging with these 'crimes'.
See, I'm thinking that you're describing the left, but you could be a leftist and attempting to pull a typical Bolshevik trick, that is to blame your opposition of the crimes that your side commits.
Either way, clarification would be most appreciated.
Even today the witch hunt of Sarah Palin continues by the MSM, and for what purpose – to demonize a legitimate political threat to the divine leader in case she would run against him. The liberals will keep their attack dogs on her for a long time, but she will overcome them.
At the same time Jackson is practically canonized, and this just shows the further hypocrisy when it comes to defining a person by politics in the MSM. While he contributed to the world in his music, his image will be tainted by his unusual contact with children but the MSM overlooks it as if it is nothing to discuss.
I guess the standard issued equipment for the MSM are only blinders and microscopes, and we know how they are handed out on assignments.
It's all in the parenting. They aren't perfect by a longshot, but I think the Osmond family is proof that kids can "work" and still be raised as great human beings with relatively sane heads on their shoulders.
If anyone doubts the analysis Jeffrey has of the media's treatment of Sarah, look at what they did to Miguel Estrada – same thing – Hispanic but conservative.
It disgusts me that our culture has taken this turn so far to the left. I see the NYT and LAT are bashing SaraPalin again this morning. I believe it is an attack that will never end as long as Sarah is remotely connected with conservative politics. Sarah Palin scares the crap out of the liberals because she is their worst nightmare and may end up being at their funeral in 2012. Resignation will free her to speak her mind even more often. I view Sarah as the female counterpart to Newt.
It disgusts me that our culture has taken this turn so far to the left. I see the NYT and LAT are bashing Sarah Palin again this morning. I believe it is an attack that will never end as long as Sarah is remotely connected with conservative politics. Sarah Palin scares the crap out of the liberals because she is their worst nightmare and may end up being at their funeral in 2012. Resignation will free her to speak her mind even more often. I view Sarah as the female counterpart to Newt.
Exactly. I've been thinking the same thing. Lots of child performers don't have the normal "childhood" and they don't turn out to be like Jackson. I'm tired of people using this excuse for him and for him using it as an excuse for his behavior.
Well put! I also don't think you can quite compare political fame to the fame that pop/rock stars receive. It's a whole different level.
I'm with you Buckwheat!!! I'll be more than happy to be an outsider!
"A talented man who lived an extremely degenerate and narcissistic life is not only exonerated but also held up and praised.:
My grandmother was fond of saying, "It takes one to know one." It takes a narcissist to appreciate, marvel, and adore narcissism in others. Don't they all aspire to…! The rest of us are appalled.
You may not have meant to, but you gave me insight into the main-stream media and entertainment industries blind acceptance, promotion, and glorification of all things OBAMA!
Both Kathleen Sebelius and Janet Napolitano were state governors who resgined early to pursue higher goals. And they were not pilloried like Palin. Why hasn't anybody (liberal or conservative) in the media pointed this out?
"You might want to cast your minds back to the coverage of the deaths of Reagan and Ford and try to remember if there was more than a single negative note about either of them." – just after the death of Ronald Reagan, I remember a certain left-wing/"progressive" editorial cartoonist named Ted Rall who, when asked about the mark Reagan had left on history, replied, "I don't know, but I bet he's turning a deep crispy brown right now."
Because both Sebelius and Napolitano were appointed to cabinet positions, they did not resign "early to pursue higher goals". Not much of a story there.
True. they just dumped their constituents to slobber up around Obama. Sarah resigned to save money.
A cabinet position is not considered a 'higher goal"? C'mon, this is six of one, half-dozen of another. A difference without distinction.
Does "allowing morality into government" include torturing suspects who have not been proven guilty in a court of law? Does it include attacking, bombing, and slaughtering people in a foreign country who have done the US no harm? Does it include illegal wiretaps of the phone conversations of American citizens?
No, you Republicans don't have a clue what the meaning of "morality" is, and yet you constantly want to use it as a campaign slogan. For the long long list of Republican politicians who have no idea what the word means, check out this site: http://www.republicanoffenders.com/
When we see a Republican politician quit a high stress job where she has committed herself to serving the people of Alaska……..so she can pursue far better paying options…….."morality" is not the word that comes to mind.
Sarah resigned to make herself a whole big pile of money! Just ask the father of her granddaughter.
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And?
"Sarah Palin, a woman who has served God" That was her first mistake, showing she has the intelligence of primitive tribes.
"Bcause she doesn’t fit the stereotype" She fits the idiot/redneck one perfectly.
It's Bcause she's an idiot, plain and simple. Get it threw your Pee-brain.
Yeah, that's why…..of course the young dolt that knocked up her daughter would know everything….
"That was her first mistake, showing she has the intelligence of primitive tribes." Makes her smarter than you then…
"She fits the idiot/redneck one perfectly." A bigot says what?
"It's Bcause she's an idiot, plain and simple. Get it threw your Pee-brain." Coming from someone that uses "Threw" instead of "through" and forgets there's 2 E's in because…..wow, did your parents have any kids that lived?
Well, why don't you enlighten us, since you are the most intelligent, thoughtful, and tolerant person around.
*Sarcasm is just one of my specialties*
Doesn't take long for the trolls to come out. And for the nasty comments as well.
There is so much wrong with this entire post I don't have the energy or the desire to correct you. I suggest you quit reading the Liberal Talking Points Handbook and do some growing up….
And just so you understand that democrats don't have a clue about morality….
http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm
Dumb question, have we ever tortured a person proven guilty of some in a court of law?
Guilty of some crime.
Nope and they're all proving the point that liberals are complete a-holes when it comes to Sarah Palin. They become completely irrational and start foaming at the mouth. The idiot above is a classic example….
"Sarah Palin, a woman who has served God, her country, and raised a family is mocked. Why? Bcause she doesn’t fit the stereotype that the media prefers for successful and powerful women. She is from humble origins and has worked for everything she has gotten. The real sin of Ms. Palin is that she is not only a conservative but a devout Christian. To the east coast, Ivy League, taxicab progressives, allowing morality into government is the greatest stupidity."
The American public has, on many many occasions, elected people into the offices of power that are devote Christians. So I disagree with the above.
However it is true that the American Left has deliberately undertaken a dutiful mission to limit or block Sarah Palin's successful progression to the national stage. This is clear. But was it because she's a Christian? Would it be an altogether new and different thing that America has a Christian President? I think that most of our Presidents have been Christian (although maybe some more devote than others.)
No I think there are other reasons about Palin that the left objects to.
There is so much wrong with this post I have neither the energy nor the desire to correct you. I suggest you stop quoting the Liberal Talking Points Handbook and do some growing up.
And just so you don;t get the idea that democrats have some sort of moral high ground:
http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm
To JameS:
There is so much wrong with your post I have neither the energy nor the desire to correct you. I suggest you stop quoting the Liberal Talking Points Handbook and do some growing up.
And just so you don;t get the idea that democrats have some sort of moral high ground:
http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm
The overall strategy of the left is to tear down strength everywhere and replace it with enforced weakness. When the philosophy of weakness also prevails in government, as it does now, all interfering standards of dignity or decency will inevitably be revoked and tossed away, and perversity will lose any recognizable meaning. Life will become a selfish party, jealously maintained by the favored irresponsible laying waste to all but empty gratification, and civilization slowly reduces down to fading graffitti on a wall.
It's not "christianity" that they hate. It's Christianity. The left doesn't mind when they know you don't really mean it.
Sarah means it.
Joe, I was actually floored when Pelosi shot down that chance for a MJ DAY!!!!
The week was uneventful and glad to see that you where playing golf with your son….. that is a great experience for you and your son… one that he will never forget!!!
Sarah the lightning rod…
It really does boggle the mind that a failed VP candidate, having retired from ploitical office would be anything other than a small blip on the radar screen.
Not to the Left. Until Palin has every molecule of her body scattered throught the Universe (as we know it) and salt is spread on every square inch of turf she ever inhabited will the loons be satisfied…
Maybe not even then…
Sarah the lightning rod…
It really does boggle the mind that a failed VP candidate, having retired from political office would be anything other than a small blip on the radar screen.
Not to the Left. Until Palin has every molecule of her body scattered throught the Universe (as we know it) and salt is spread on every square inch of turf she ever inhabited will the loons be satisfied…
Maybe not even then…
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Sarah the lightning rod…
It really does boggle the mind that a failed VP candidate, having retired from political office would be anything other than a small blip on the radar screen.
Not to the Left. Until Palin has every molecule of her body scattered throughout the Universe (as we know it) and salt is spread on every square inch of turf she ever inhabited will the loons be satisfied…
Maybe not even then…
Dear Soulja
If SP is soooo stupid and soooo lame why do you fear her so much? I think Al Franken is a total moron but I don't fear him, I laugh at the voters of MInn. who have now elected a wrestler and failed talk show host to high office. Are Ventura and Franken really the best Minn. has to offer? If Al Frankin were to run for higher office I would welcome that because he is so obviously a moron. What are you afraid of?
Also I believe you meant "pea" brain in refering to my small intellectual level and not "pee" unless you meant to imply that my head is full of urine, an insult that would have been better than the one you intended.
I know we've talked about this before, but it just really, really makes me so mad the way the MSM treats Palin. I will never forgive McCain or his people for how they let her hang out there as "the media" tore her apart.
means what? That we have to start preparing for the E nd Tim es?
if that's what "you really mean" then fine. I agree with you. The left doesn't mind when don't really believe that the wo rld is coming to an e nd. The center doesn't mind either.
Or to put it another way: Common sense American's across the broad swath of the political spectrum (including plenty of Republicans) do *not* believe that American fore ign policy should be predicated on the a preparation for the e nd of the wor ld.
But Sarah Palin? Well we all kinda wonder about that one! All of the "Chr istian" winks and nodding and sec ret references does make us non-tr ue-be lievers a little bit nerv ous, okay?
There is so much wrong with this post I have neither the energy nor the desire to correct you. I suggest you stop quoting the Liberal Talking Points Handbook and do some growing up.
Actually we should be thanking him for articultaing liberal lunacy when it comes to Sarah Palin better than we ever could. Just from that single post everyone can see the absolute hatred these people have for Sarah Palin, they hate her, but none of them has a reason why….
"Sarah means it."
okay, I agree. Especially because the main thing I think you are hinting at is the literal belief that we are now in the "End Times".
As a liberal intellectual, I strongly encourage all American's to think twice about ever electing anyone to an office of authority who professess a literal belief that the world is about to end.
"Sarah means it."
okay, I agree. Especially because the main thing I think you are hinting at is the literal belief that we are now in the "End Times".
As a liberal intellectual, I strongly encourage all Americans to think twice about ever electing anyone to an office of authority who professess a literal belief that the world is about to end.
Good Point.
well she is a lightning rod, afterall. The Left isn't so scared of one woman. The Left is scared by the component of our society that she represents. Sarah may have retired, but those Palinbots are still around.
"I know we've talked about this before"
you gotta be kidding right?
I'm with you on this point as well Joelim, they hate Mrs. Palin with all the venom and bile that they would if one of us were to suddenly appear on the public stage. They hated Reagan voters like this too, painting us as ignorant rubes unfit to vote, and in George W they hit their stride, he was also ivy league, but seemed in manner one of us to them. They detest the fact most Americans who will never attend the "right" schools, or hold "correct" opinions even have a voice at all. Why Rush drives them nuts, and the governor, outright insane.
Defintion of a liberal, someone sitting in a frothing hatred and terror that somewhere, someone, completely happy about it, is in total disagreement with them.
It's that we laugh at them, that is the last straw I think. We don't have a right to do that in their view, they're seriouser damn it, smartyer, bigger hearteder,.. HOW DARE YOU seems to be their default setting.
but what threat are they? Leaderless Palinbots would surely just walk around in circles and eat things-
sounds harmless enough to us…
Which part of that didn't you understand?
How you tie Sarah Palin to Michael Jackson is simply beyond bounds and your attempt to do so clearly shows your bias.
Just a couple of observations:
1, I have never been a big Michael Jackson fan. In fact I think he led less than a stellar life. That said it is customary in death to celebrate one achievements and the love of family and friends. The fact of the matter is that he did touch many millions of people in a positive way. He did have people that loved him and he does have people that will deeply miss him. We are all less than perfect humans. There is no need to rehash his shortcomings at this tragic time.
2. The fact that you are a Sarah Palin Fan is your right. But just because others do not hold your views does not mean that there is some large conspiracy against her. Talk about Michael Jackson being a narcissist. Maybe a quick glance in the mirror is in order. The fact is Sarah Plain has very clear views on how others should live and conduct there lives. Not everyone including fellow Republicans agree with her. As a fellow Republican I can look past her folksy charm and see that is about all she has to offer. Since she is a possible candidate in 2012 then her actions such as resigning from her commitment on representing the State of Alaska should be closely examined..
3. Next time try offering an opinion where you aren’t so self righteous. There is no need to be so vicious. I agree that the coverage was over the top. But in context this was an American Icon that did generate a huge media interest. The fact of the matter is if Sarah Plain decides to drop out of politics, in 75 years from now no one other than family will know who she was. 75 years from now there will still be people that know of Michael Jackson.
She's a polarizing political figure who during her candidacy made many speeches in which she claimed that only those who shared her — and your — political philosophy were "real" Americans. And then she quit her job as governor because it was hard and no fun and she'd rather cash in while she can.
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GARBAGE … sheer unadulterated Garbage!
I wasn't hinting at anything like that at all.
Anyone who believes the Bible knows that according to Christ himself, we've a) been in the End Times for two thousand years and b) are not to know when the actual end will come (Christ himself did not know).
Therefore, you are asserting that anyone who believes the Bible is exempt from public office.
Now tell me, does believing that the world is going to end from other means exempt one from office? Or just believing that it's God who will bring it about?
If we did a pie chart of what people like to talk about on Breitbart, a pretty big slice would be what I call the topic of "Poor poor Sarah and the mean old MSM".
Sarah Palin is an attractive, sexy woman with five kids which suggests she's straight. Now how can that be? A Mom running a state! Totally antithetical to what the Left considers a female executive.
Sarah Palin knowingly gave birth to a Downs Syndrome child and this made women who had abortions for convenience sake take a look in the mirror. They didn't like what they saw looking back.
Sarah Palin put a lie to "Pro-Choice" since she was not supposed to "choose" to deliver a defective child. If the Pro Choice crowd believed in choice, they'd have never said a word about Sarah's "choice".
The Lefties like to talk about women's rights, but look what happened to two women who stuck their heads up and DARED to challenge Saint Barack (Hillary and Palin). Both SAVAGELY attacked by the American Bolsheviks. Race trumps gender. In the Lefties' lexicon race trumps EVERYTHING. Ask Colin Powell.
The men who attack Palin the most viciously I believe are sexually attracted to her. This puts them in conflict with their ideology. Sexually attracted to a Right WINGER! How can that be? We always seek to destroy that which we desire and can't have or that which frightens us. Palin does both.
And lastly, this is what Bolsheviks do. Their Russian counterparts shot the Tsar and ALL his family including his servants. Palin doesn't have any servants, but her family has come under the American Bolshevik firing squad just as Nicholas II came under the bullets of the Rusky Bolshies.
It's the big news right now, and if you don't like it, you don't need to stay here. You do realize that this thread is about Palin right?
I forgot to add — Palin is middle class, not the product of elite schools in the east or west coast. She totes a gun, hunts, fishes, talks folksy and got elected GOVERNOR of her state which makes women like Peggy Noonan and Katie Couric see what non-entities they really are. They don't like knowing that they're less than zero so they strike out.
Indeed, when I was a teenager, I thought I knew everything too.
no, but his father and his father's sister had one that lived, that's rather obvious.
sarcasm? Us?
You must be joking…
Not sure we see the same comparisons between an openly Islamic leader and Christian conservatives- with 8 out of 10 folk calling themselves folllowers of the Nazarene there seems a constituency if nothing else. But harnessing them is another thing…
Remeber what Trent Lott said about canvassing the Senate? Like herding cats?
It would be like that.
we thought our reply clever and non-controversial- when it is eventually posted we hope you will as well…
we thought our reply clever and non-controversial- when it is eventually posted we hope you will as well…
damn. I wish intense debate gave me so kind of spell check.
Are you drugged? I have never heard any of that in her speechs. And she stated why she is resigning.
What does foreign policy look like in an End Times context? What are you concerned about? What kinds of decisions would a Christian need to make, according to God's instructions, that specifically give you pause?
Look, it could be the end for any of us, or all of us, at any moment. We're all going to die. That's a fact. If you're alive now, well, you're in your own "End Times."
In light of that, we have to live our lives making the best decisions possible with the truth and knowledge we have at our disposal.
indeed, things of all kinds taste much better to us Palinbots when we walk around in circles. It's almost like putting catchup on things, only more kinetic.
Then Obama should've grown out of that by now, no?
LMAO!!!!!
I wish it gave Obama some kind of policy check.
Human, like the rest of us? Oddness aside, he was human.
Four words for you:
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As an intellectual liberal, how do you feel about Obama and his global warming doomsday beliefs?
Actually that's only 3 words, you used the same word twice…..
Interesting contrast that you draw. Do you mean… "Is global warming real, basically?"
The FIRST question I ask is: Does the notion stem from a 2000-year old text OR the consensus of our scientific elite?
b.t.w. spare me your minority scientific viewpoint. I said "consensus" which means that its what "more than half" of the scientists say, which is to understate it considering the view is more like the vast majority of scientists.
from here there's follow on issues like, is it man made, what to do about it, who should do what, etc etc. I have other points of view on those issues to. Do you really care to hear them?
DAMN!
" said "consensus" which means that its what "more than half" of the scientists say, which is to understate it considering the view is more like the vast majority of scientists."
Before you can continue, you have to provide proof of this. See this is your problem, you are unwilling or afraid to have this issue properly debated. There are many scientists that disagree with your "consensus", why do you dismiss them? What's the problem with figuring out if it's real or not?
My original question, which you so artfully dodged, is do you support a president that believes something that hasn't been proven? Isn't this the same as supporting a president that believes in 2000 year old texts?
A Muslim President doesn't scare me as long as s/he is a Patriot and believes we are the greatest nation on earth. Since I doubt any one could get as far as president w/out being a patriot, that's probably a moot point. And yes I believe America is the greatest nation on earth.
And before anyone jumps in and challenges Obama's patriotism, let me say: I believe he loves this country. I also believe he will lead us down a very wrong path. Many disagree. And you are allowed to in this great nation.
What about a Mormon President?
Athiest?
Scientologist?
Many people are against anyone of faith. Many are against anyone not on the list of "acceptable" faiths. As long as they are willing to put the country ahead of their specific religious doctrines, I couldn't care less. I'm afraid however that many don't see it my way.
LMAO!!!!!
For an intellectual liberal, you're ok…..
One other example of media hypocrisy. More and more it becomes clear that MJ was strung out and likely died because he was addicted to and a abusing a plethora of prescription drugs. The press has made this a tragic tale to make us feel sorry for poor, poor MJ. When a conservative or a Republican, or someone close to them, gets addicted to a prescription drug, they are demonized even if they kick the habit successfully like Rush and McCain's wife. When a liberal or a Democrat or a family member of one gets caught abusing the same or even illegal substances, it's no big deal.
"There are many scientists that disagree with your "consensus", why do you dismiss them?" Because I am not a scientist. My philosophy regarding the scientific elite goes like this: I look at them like an electorate. I trust that elector to do the job that society has given them. How they arrived at how they vote is up to them. All I care is how many electors vote one way or the other.
If I was artful I didn't mean to be. The question of "Is global warming real" is difficult. I don't know if it is prove-able or not! I don't need it to be provable. I believe in science. I believe in the scientific method. And to a certain degree, I trust the scientific community. And common sense tells me that IF global warming is real, then there is quite a lot at stake. So I treat the question seriously. And I respond to that issue with a lot of thought and deliberation. And my conclusion is this: I trust science. And I generally place trust in the scientific institutions that pursue the determination of science. And on the notion of global warming, I very philosophically take their word for it.
haha! I see how you fixed your spelling of "Ladies"! HAHAHAA!
Maybe Breitbart / Intense Debate will have resources to provide a spell checking system when they free up some staff of the heavily over-burdened and massively overblown key-word-based-automatic-censoring functionality. Dear lord!
My problem with just blindly accepting that global warming is real is two-fold. First, it was presented in a manner that goes against a true scientific method, Al Gore declared the debate over before one ever took place, this doesn't pass the smell test. Factor in his obvious financial ties to promoting a global warming scare and it REALLY doesn't pass the smell test.
Second, wasn't there a consensus in the 70s that said we'd be in an ice age right about now??
Sorry bro, this needs to be debated and proven beyond a doubt before our country is plunged into an economic abyss from which we may never recover.
Thanks. I'm here to cultivate common virture. I try not to throw too much mud, at least on my good days.
Right and left working together to defeat the evil of Intense Debate and the subsequent mispellings.
(nothing kills the appearance of intellegence like an unfortunately timed typo)
amen to that
CgntvDissnt dispite the appaling lack of vowels is one of the few on this site that is willing to discuss rather than disgust. And while she (?) drives me nuts, at least it is good natured. Hey look at that proud 90 points.
Right and Left working together, Cats and Dogs living together….
MASS HYSTERIA!!!!
I love this country but lately we're reached a sad place as far as Pop Culture.
Buckwheat, I agree with you, and lately we are living in Bizarro World. It's like having a nightmare that you can't wake up from.
my description of how I decided my views on global warming didn't mention that I take the words of Al Gore into account – AND I DON'T. I DO NOT look to politicians to find out about science. I look to politicians to cynically manuver and dance around and temperature-gauge public opinion so that they may put themselves behind the big desks. And then I expect them to make policy that somewhat resembles what they talked about on the campaign trail. If they do this reasonably well enough, they or their party can keep getting my vote.
So I don't care if ANY "green" politician truly believes in global warming. As long as they do something helpful about it, I will support their powerchasing. That's the cynical view of how democracy works.
But thats the thing, isn't it? A politician made a movie about it. A politician sat before the senate and declared the debate to be over. Even if he based it on what some scientists say, who's to say they're right?
I happen to think they are wrong, and they are manipulating celebrities and the media to shove this down our throats before it's proven to be right.
I don't mind telling you that it's a little worrisome that you would not question the validity of this with so much of our way of life at stake.
Is it safe to assume that you are one of those that stocked up on parkas in the 70's then?
But thats the thing, isn't it? A politician made a movie about it. A politician sat before the senate and declared the debate to be over. Even if he based it on what some scientists say, who's to say they're right?
I happen to think they are wrong, and they are manipulating celebrities and the media to shove this down our throats before it's proven to be right. It smacks of a politicical move rather than an environmental one.
I don't mind telling you that it's a little worrisome that you would not question the validity of this with so much of our way of life at stake.
Is it safe to assume that you are one of those that stocked up on parkas in the 70's then?
"you are one of those that stocked up on parkas in the 70's then?" back in the 70s I stocked up on plastic sleds, snowsuits and moon boots. So in a manner…YES. Those were the glory days of massive snow banks where I grew up in Michigan.
By education, I'm an electrical engineer. And having taken 3 required semesters of Physics, I understand a little bit about the monumental paradigm shift that occured when we went from Newtonian to Quantum Physics: Our basic understanding of the physical rules of the universe were totally up-ended.
So I'm not troubled by the fact that in-the-70s-we-thought-this-now-we-think-that. I'm more troubled by anyone who suggests that science has been all together disqualified because it corrected itself. We should always "reserve the right" to be smarter tomorrow about anything.
I'm more skeptical about a base that wants to deny scientists and preserve a status quo when there is a possible threat to all of us.
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I have never been entirtely clear on Palin's sins. I used to think I was clear about Jacksons's.
However, after this past week, it seems that everything Jackson did was honorable and praiseworthy.
It seems I am 180 degress away from where some in this country would have me be.
But, I am ok with that and will revel in my outsider status.
Who's with me!
I suppose most of this perceived "hatred" for Palin comes from the fact that most of us (yes, a very clear majority) hope to God that we never have to hear someone give a "shout out" in the middle of what is supposed to be an earnest debate on policy. We hope to never hear again that proximity to a foreign country leads to expertise in dealing with foreign policy with that country. Call our hope that individuals picked to be a heartbeat away from the presidency of the Nation we all love be able to identify the difference between a nation and a continent hatred if it makes your feel victimized and righteous- I simply call it the common sense of culling the chaff from the political wheat.
Please note the lack of "frothing hatred" or "terror" that someone disagree with me. Learn to characterize without caricature or you run the risk of not being taken seriously in earnest debate.
"We should always "reserve the right" to be smarter tomorrow about anything." And what happens if we're smarter 30 years from now but a complete economic and social disaster because of the global warming scare? Are you ready to trash everything over something that hasn't been proven yet?
I'm more skeptical about the umbrella salesman running around screeching that the sky is falling. By the time we figure out that sky isn't really falling it'll be too late to fix anything.
And as far as the status quo, Obama is doing a great job of keeping us dependant on foreign oil. there are no new nuke facilities, no new coal facilities, matter of fact there is nothing even on the table to get us off oil besides solar and wind, and both are woefully inadequate.
we figured you would weigh in with something entertainingly depraved… kind of like '28 Days' with BBQ sauce…
Oh, sorry. She quit because a comedian made fun of her. No, wait, she quit because there was somebody better waiting to do the job she'd sworn to complete. No, wait, she quit because people were mean to her.
Really, of all her feeble excuses, the ones I cited above were the most flattering to her.
here's a little proof that this whole "movement" is politically motivated.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/Gore-US-Climat...
Global Governance??? You're seriously supporting this???
Yes, charging tax payers to pay herself a per diem for the days she stays at home. That's really noble and honorable.
But please, continue to convince yourself that liberals are scared of this woman. Campaign for her on the only platform you seem to understand — "She annoys the vast majority of the country, so she must be qualifited for higher office."
Yes, one far left cartoonist. He certainly balanced out the weeks of hagiography on cable television. One negative voice on a blog somewhere. Oh, yes, that's the kind of balance you can usually only find on Fox!
Let's see. Right-wingers claimed that Bill Clinton was running a drug smuggling ring out of Arkansas, and that he was a mass murderer and a rapist. They insisted that Hillary murdered Vince Foster and that she was a lesbian.
But liberals accurately point out that Sarah Palin is unread, unaccomplished, and not ready for the big time, and it's all venom all the time.
That LA Times article is actually all about Republicans trashing Palin…
But I am shocked that you compare Our Lady of Virtue to a man who has cheated on at least two wives, dumping the one with cancer in her hospital bed so he could run off with his mistress. As a liberal, I'd certainly never make such claims about Sarah Palin — why would you?
"eyes rolling."
see my above post for why I'm not bothered by the role that politicians play in the process of collective action. Its simply how government works.
Global governance? I'm not going to read that link, sorry, but I believe in global co-operation. And "governance" is arguably a form of co-operation.
(If you can explain to me a key distinction between co-operation and governance, then I may agree with you that "governance" is not the best approach to the problem.)
Why, yes. Morality means you can torture all you want as long as you don't cheat on your spouse.
Oh, unless you claim to be morally superior because you can wave a Bible around. Then you can cheat on your spouse all you want, and everyone will know you're a moral person who simply couldn't live up to your own high morals, and thus infinitely superior to a liberal who actually does live up to those ideals but doesn't run around bragging around it.
In fact, when you come right down to it, Republican morality means you call yourself a Republican. Once you do that, you're moral for life.
Mr. Jena, Palin commited another sin. She dared to breathe life into John McLame's presidential campaign. For a brief but terrifying moment in September, it seemed like the Republicans might keep St. Barry of the Sacred Acorn out of the White House. The tenured radicals, trustafarian marxists and racial victimologists will never forgive Palin for that horrible offense against their dreamy political man-crush.
No, there was an article in a news weekly. It was wrong.
A liberal quoting morality. Now that's rich. I was talking political viewpoints and that's all YOU got? Geez. Grow up. And I see Sarah scares you, too.
You should really try to meet a human being some day. Honestly, if you ever had a conversation with someone who didn't precisely follow this isnsane, demonizing ideology, you'd quickly discover how silly it is.
Dude, do you have a learning disability? She said she's stepping down because of all the idiotic ethics charges (she's beaten them all) are keeping her from doing her job, and they are costing Alaskans a fortune, and it's cost her personally $500k.
The attacks against her family don't help either. You liberals are out of your minds…
Now it's my turn to roll my eyes….
If I have to explain the difference to you, than you're a true believer in the global warming religion….
Can't help you there…
But there's the rub! Why should we assume there is a problem?
Scientific consensus? Not really. More and more scientists have decided Anthropogenic Global Warming isn't happening – and more and more scientists are beginning to put forth the idea that we might be headed for a period of global cooling! Read this from Investors Business Daily:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?sec...
So there is no scientific consensus, and there is no scientific proof, but we KNOW that if we impose these carbon penalty taxes on businesses here in America, many will move overseas so they don't have to deal with them. Not to mention all the problems it will cause the little guy.
I think we should stop throwing around the trite catchphrases "Politics of fear" and "Fear Monger-er." Everyone is afraid of something – the only question is, which fear is real? AGW isn't proven and has no scientific consensus, So I don't think we should make such drastic changes in our way of life to accommodate it.
Yeah, then let's figure out if there's a problem.
dude a: Whoa!! the sky is gonna fall dude!!
dude b: oh no!! when??
dudea: I dunno, it just is man!! let's sell off everything and get big umbrellas!!
LOL!
I know we're trying to have a serious conversation here, but that just cracked me up
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PALIN is JUST as big a CELEBRITY with her worshippers!!! This Liberal LOVES to see her on TV. I just thought she would have been smarter…after all didn't she transfer from one college to another about 6 times?? The left wants her to be the next Republican Candidate…..she will not win!!!!!
THREAT???hahahahaha, She will not even win her parties nomination!
Or, they could have told Obama thanks, but no thanks. I have to finish serving my term. Besides, how is resigning a governorship to take a cabinet position NOT pursuing higher goals? Now that I think about it, I wonder how their salaries and benefits now stack up to what they were making as governors? Excellent point Dom, it's one I hadn't thought of before.
Really? Seriously?
Global Cooperation: Agreeing to work together while maintaining separate governments. Other governments have no actual say over your country's policies.
Global Governance: Granting power to one government body made up of all governments to exercise joint authority over every country's policies.
To sum it up: Cooperation we stay our own boss. Governance they get to stick their noses in our business.
Do you agree now?
Really? Seriously?
Global Cooperation: Working together while maintaining separate governments.
Global Governance: Granting power to a government body, made up of all governments, to exercise authority over every government's policies.
To sum it up: Governance means they can tell us what to do. Cooperation means they keep we discuss what to do, but in the end, they keep their noses out of our business and we all decide on our own.
Agree now?
ALL CULTURAL DEVIANTS ARE DEMOCRATS HUH????? GOOGLE Republican Sex Scandals……HUNDREDS OF NAMES LISTED….Sanford, Ensign, L.Craig, Mark Foley, Ted Haggerd, Ed Schrock, Neil Bush…list goes on and on….Yeah all deviants are Democrats…WHAT MORON MADE THAT COMMENT????
Really? Seriously?
Global Cooperation: Working together while maintaining separate governments.
Global Governance: Granting power to a government body, made up of all governments, to exercise authority over every government's policies.
To sum it up: Governance means they can tell us what to do. Cooperation means we discuss what to do, but in the end, they keep their noses out of our business and we all decide on our own.
Agree now?
I think thats a gross oversimplication.
As an American voter, I value our sovergnity. I do not think that the US should ever join a world organization where we do not maintain the lawful right to exclude ourselves from the group at any time of our own choosing.
As long as that basic tenant is met- can this thing be called a governing body? if so, then I don't have a problem with it. EVEN IF they sometimes tell us what to do. You can always blow it off too. Just look at all of the UN Resolutions that Israel has blown off.
She did not beat them all!!!! she has had to pay 10,000 in fees because she broke some travel rules! Her website has already raised over 400K for her legal fees AND it cost the state no more money BECAUSE the state attorneys investigating her misdeeds were already on the state budget AND have been on the budget years before she was even elected!!! The investigations were being done "IN HOUSE" and those attorneys get paid if they find misdeeds or if they do not…..THAT IS THEIR JOB!!!
A lot of us commenting hear realize that the more the MSM bashes Palin, the more it shows that she's a real threat- but too many people who aren't commenting here just accept what the MSM says.
A year ago, I would have told you that human caused global warming is real, just because everybody at school said it was, (I'm in college) and the news always said it was, and that was just the general vibe I got about reality: human caused global warming is real and riding a bicycle helped the Earth. But then I met a science student who directed me to some sources where I learned the truth about human caused global warming, but those sources were not as readily available- I had to go looking for them, they weren't just bombarded on me like the MSM is.
I feel the same way about global warming that I do about Sarah Palin. A few months ago I would have thought that she was a book-burning ditzy Christian extremist, just because that was the general vibe I got from school and such. But now that I've started to follow the news more and pay more attention, and now that I've started to read the Drudge Report on a regular basis, I've found that Sarah Palin is an extraordinary American and a wonderful woman, and I would be proud to have her as my Governor or President.
The moral of my comment is: we just have to warn our neighbors about the unfairness of the main stream media.
Cultural + Deviant, does that make it easier for you to comprehend? Keeping your mind out of the gutter, will also help.
Whoa, hold on a second. In my experience I've come to see that the Middle East is like a barometer.
You picked Israel to demonstrate a country that blows off UN Resolutions. Why? You throw a staunch ally under the bus when you could have picked N. Korea or Iran?
See that's what I mean about a barometer. I think I can safely forecast the trend of this conversation. I don't think this is going to be an open minded discussion…
please stop confusing pop culture with politics, and Ill do the same.
no, it disgusts people that opinions backed by religion are touted as irrefutable. Newt's much more well spoken than Palin proved to be. Reverse sexism is still in the air, I see (though its under the guise of…..I can't tell what exactly you're arguing, really.) But thats the point of a red-herring in an argument, ne c'est pas?
oh geez. So sensitive. Israel is our ALLY. I consider them a "good guy". And my point is: You can be a "good guy" and still defy the dictates of the world-governing body! See? Its not so bad isn't it?
now lets all join me in a spirited verse of Kum Ba Yah.
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And that misspelling of that African country where you use two "gees" instead of one.
Please post any others you find. Thank you.
Please accept my apology then. It's sometimes hard to hear the "tone" of how a comment was written. I clearly heard the sarcasm above though
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So you want to be able to opt out of your global obligations at any time, when you decide it's in your best interests? After making a commitment to the WORLD that you are going to work together with them? Just because you think you will do a better job of governing on your own terms?
Yet Liberals still fault Sarah Palin for resigning?
When will you stop trading on your Sister's name?
See what I mean!
The left and the MSM are still going after Palin full bore because Palin is likely to be the only viable GOP candidate in 2012, and Palin easily beats the non-viable Huckabee or the loser Romney for the nomination. In fact they may be the only candidates – period. Huckabee can't raise money, and Romney did terrible in 08 while outspending his opponents. The Obamabots would rather us have a non-viable candidate that is sure to lose. If the economy continues to tank, Palin could actually beat Obama. And if president, Palin would go after the liberals with all the might and power of the Federal Government. She is someone who gets revenge. Palin is the only one they truly fear.
Wow, long thread.
Simple point, it was once scientific consensus that all the planets and stars revolved around the Earth. And then there was that upstart Einstein messing with the scientific consensus. Why is suddenly Global Warming something where scientific consensus is so important any scientists who say different deserve to be discounted, let alone the wonderful disparaging labels they have accumulated?
She just didn't want a split screen on the news with her on one side and a picture of Michael Jackson on the other. She'd hate for people to see that his face looks more real than hers.
I think, Mr Steve, You have nailed this very well. A witch hunt it is and will be for some time. The Liberal democrats do remind me of the scared townspeople with pitchforks and torches. They fear her as the old movies portrayed anyone they did not understand, so they just labeled them a monster and took to the streets.
By the time this nation has sunk to it's new low's in the next 2-3 years, who knows where they will find their savior. It could possibly be a tortured, misunderstood and lowley female politician with a heart.
wow- that's an interesting analog.
I think it was Steven Covey that introduced me to the concept of "Win-win vs No Deal". It is in this context that I submit that we should not fear a "world government". We should simply take care in how we participate and what member-rights we insist on maintaining.
in short… its either a "win win" or there is "no deal".
Michael Lohr, please provide the quote from Mrs. Palin where she clearly expouses what you claim is her "very clear views on how others should live and conduct there lives." Just one will do. We will be waiting here for you IF you manage to find one. Remember just one will do. Now, if you can't find one (which I doubt) then I fully hope that you'll post your abject apology for judging Sarah based on what you heard others say about her rather than what she says herself. And next time try offering an opinion where you aren’t so self righteous.
BTW, If you dare watch this entire video as well as the next one in the series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaLPEoAoV2g&fe...
If you do I think you'll understand why Sarah has the following she has. Very few politicians are this candid and honest about their moments of , as Governor Palin puts it, "testing".
Consensus has two meanings. One is "harmony" the other is "majority opinion".
I don't discount those in the minority opinion. I DID COUNT THEM. That's how I know there were less of them.
There voice is important and should not be hushed up or shouted out. Like the minority members of congress they should get to have their say. And then we move on with the majority point of view.
How is this not reasonable?
Consensus has two meanings. One is "harmony" the other is "majority opinion".
I don't discount those in the minority opinion. I DID COUNT THEM. That's how I know there were less of them.
Their voice is important and should not be hushed up or shouted out. Like the minority members of congress they should get to have their say. And then we move on with the majority point of view.
How is this not reasonable?
So you are saying you prefer moral bankruptcy over moral adherance? This is how you come across. Conservative beliefs do share common threads with Christian morality but that is because it is a moral belief system not a religion. Some moral beliefs are irrefutable and can be held to higher standards of living. Palin shares in those beliefs and happens to be religous. So then what you are saying is that she has to be 'well spoken' and that is most important? I think you are the red herring.
Yeah, totally, lets ask the guy who had an unsuccessful relationship with a Palin. Surely his response will be analytical and unbiased.
This conservative would LOVE to see your guy's college transcripts.
Or any of his papers.
Or his real birth certificate. I mean, you'd think he'd put the real one out there just to shut everybody up.
But, nope.
And you guys make fun of Christians for their faith. Funny stuff
What do we know about YOUR messiah?
Oh yeah, nothing.
Tell me something that Obama's done in his life that qualifies him for the job he now holds.
ONE thing.
hahahahahahahahahahhahahahaaaaaaaa , <pause for breath>
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
BTW, I was laughing @ PaulD
I love that you think that you're making a point.
It's cute.
E for effort
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Yes, his childhood sucked. But that doesn't excuse him. He had the balm of many millions to ease his childhood traumas, and ultimately, he had no choice but to grow up. The fact that he chose not to do so was his choice AS an adult. And that makes his pederasty an even more severe crime. And no amount of enablers can cover for that choice.
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I'm detecting some sarcasm dcase. Surely you jest.
I imagine there would be a tremendous uproar if there were an attempt to elect a leader in America that was openly Muslim. And while a component of that uproar would be brazenly xenophobic, there would also be a component to the uproar that strived to make a rational & non-bigotted case on practical grounds of national security.
We already saw this happen with the election of the first Catholic President, John F Kennedy.
well then, I suppose that my concern about political activism from the End Days crowd is of this same nature.
hmmmmm.
hmm. hmm. hmm.
Well… I really don't feel comfortable saying that Bible-believers should be exempt from public office. No sir.
at the same time… As a concerned citizen and voter, I positively do feel uncomfortable with any politician that couches their foreign policy in the context of "End Times".
Do you consider this a paradox? Are these notions irreconcilable? I hate to be boxed in on this.
Actually I do like it. I like it a lot. I'm a great big fan of the redicule and humiliation thrust upon Sarah Palin by the likes of Katie Couric, Tina Fey, and (Ronald Reagan's famous speechwriter) Peggy Noonan. There should be plenty more of this kind of thing for any and all prospective politicians that are so vulnerable.
(from the left or right, okay? hahahaa.)
If you're a fan of ridicule, then let me point out that it's spelled "ridicule."
Also, let me point out that your lord and master, the Fading Messiah, has less executive experience than Palin has, and it's starting to show. Good luck with Obamacare — you aren't getting coverage. Good luck with cap/trade, as your job runs to China. Good luck with that stimulus as unemployment blows through the roof and the dollar tanks. Good luck worshiping a guy who can't remember if he met his wife during law school or afterwards, a guy who can't remember his kids ages.
I guess you do love humiliation.
Thank you Ben. Your response made me smile. Usually I find "End Times" concepts scary, but indeed it can be a life-affirming notion. Odd and still disturbing… but life affirming, somehow.
to your other questions: "What are you concerned about?" I'm concerned that a policy-maker will make policy that is in a sense, *resigned* to the End of Days.
e.g. "global warming"… hey its supposed to happen! End of Days!
OR "Clash of Civilizations…leading to End of Days!" Its all good! Bible said so. (or maybe just Nostradomas?!)
OR here's another: Gotta side up with the Je ws in Israel! Hey, the Bible fortold! No matter that they will probably not heed the call and still all go to hell, that's a side point. Gotta secure them in there in the Holy Land! Bible said so!
Ladies and gentlemen, we may have just found common ground.
What do we want? "SPELL CHECKER"
When do we want it? "As soon as the programmers can get to it. Which I hope would be sooner rather than later. But since Intense Debate has a slow track record of making chages it may be a while. Those of us with fat fingers or dyslexia would really appreciate it."
yea!
Please use the reply button. It really helps us understand just what is you are talking about.
dude A: "Whoa! We better do something about this problem!"
dude B: "Not so fast there buddy! if you do something about this supposed problem…YOU WILL RUIN EVERYTHING!"
so who is the bigger fear monger-er?
I think we can split the difference and do things that are "conservative" in that we try NOT to throw any proverbial babies out with the bath water. But we still have to do something and that starts with agreeing that there's even a problem.
I disagree that death is a time to only celebrate the plus factors in one's life. I seem to remember when RR died how leftist relished a rehash Iran-Contra and other Reagan mistakes. "Less than perfect" is a DUI or a one night stand not a series of sleep overs with young boys.
Is your point that Obama and Pelosi don't have clear views on how others should live and conduct their lives? Reality check, please!
As Several Dem Govs who quit to serve Obama???? What about the folks in their states and their commitment to them? Bogus arguement!
Heard the same arguement about several sixties musicians and a "washed up" actor …. best of luck with that.
wr1 knows the truth. He's just spreading Teh Narrative his masters came up with. So he doesn't have a learning disability, he's just another lying parrot squawking away.
Awful lot of effort for someone folks like wr1 insists is finished. Of course, the real point is that she must be seen as finished so no one will support her. So they keep hammering away, sending the parrots out to squawk away and hope it works.
Somehow I don't imagine that if Sarah Palin died tomorrow, the press would come rushing to praise her.
LOL. You are too funny, CgntvDssdnt.
You are like Ned in that commercial. You're wrong about everything. We dont have French benefits. It's not the Leaning Tower of Pizza. And Fed Ex is not too expensive.
You're a good bullsh*tter though.
75 years? MJ? Perhaps not if Obama is sucessful in destroying this nation.
liberals accurately point out that Sarah Palin is unread, unaccomplished, and not ready for the big time, and it's all venom all the time.
don't feel bad we conservatives accurately point out that Obama is a communist empty suit who is friends with racists and terrorists and can't say hello without a teleprompter and all we get is venom, I feel your pain.
he doesn't want to grow up
he's a Toys R Us kid.
was it a Dr. Evil laugh?
Indeed, one of the hazzards of making zombie movies as a hobby.
If it suits you, yes
We make fun of their HYPOCRISY!!! not the fact that they are CHRISTIANS
NO, How does your answer explain your idiotic statement that ALL cultural deviants are Democrats??? When clearly there are DEVIANTS on both sides….Conservative or liberal, Democratic or Republican!!!!!!!!!!!! get your mind [head] out of the sand!
Just like Michael!
Man, he must be so bummed out that now he will never get to stay with Michael at Neverland. Poor guy.
Whether he was guilty or not of what he was charged (and found not guilty of, to be fair), the fact was St. MJ (media-declared) was beyond F'd up in too many ways to chronicle here; the real tragedy is he got to buy three young kids he clearly wasn't equipped to take care of at all…
So why do they insult GW Bush so much then (still), seeing as how he has the fancy degree (Yale), connections, and influential family; not trying to be a smart-ass here, just wondering about that situation…
Because he's a Republican with conservative principles.
Don't forget about all the freakish plastic surgery or the disgusting skin-bleaching he put himself (and us) through…
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sorry for the delay- travel, you know…
It doesn't surprise us that you made horror films as a youth; as a matter of fact we would have been shocked to find out otherwise…
My statement is as it is after many years of meeting human beings, and countless conversations. Developing strength or receding into weakness is the story of humanity, and has been since we roamed in tribes.
However, you might be right about "how silly it is."
what? are you saying you actually have a life away from your computer screen? What a concept.
Oh, and to be accurate, I make then now. Independant film is a hobby of mine I picked up when previously living in California. Shooting another this weekend and planning a sequel to the zombie one for 2011.
we are certain of two things: one, that they are gruesome, and two they are darkly funny… 'there's another one for the fire…'
indeed. A clever mix of slapstick and gore.
so, Simon Pegg steals your stuff, eh?
that one came out while we were still in production. Big fan of Simon Pegg here.
then we will not dispatch our zombie SAS companions to dine on his liver…
Good call. We need him to make more movies.
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